article - when moo needs to go back to work
khan
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http://money.cnn.com/magazines/moneymag/moneymag_archive/2006/02/01/8367540/index.htm
Six years later, Printz, 41, is encountering a new type of stress.
Though her husband, Greg Berger, was making $93,000 as a software tester
when Printz left her job, he was laid off two years later and now earns
$77,000 in a new testing position.
The drop in his income, combined with the loss of hers, has put a big
strain on their once-comfortable finances: The couple have maxed out a
$60,000 home-equity line of credit and run up $10,000 in credit-card debt.
So with their two daughters now in school, Printz decided to rejoin the
world of paid work. But after five months of job hunting, with 40 job
applications and three interviews to show for her efforts, Printz has
had no luck.
"When I last looked for a job 11 years ago, I had three offers in six
weeks," says Printz. "I knew it wouldn't be that easy, but I didn't
think it would be this hard either."
Jules W.
strain on their once-comfortable finances: The couple have maxed out a
$60,000 home-equity line of credit and run up $10,000 in credit-card
debt.>
If they've used up all this "invisible" money (as in, it doesn't
register in your head until you have to pay it back), then they were
living beyond their means in the first place. If they made $93,000 per
year and still borrowed on top of their regular mortgage loan, that's
their own damn fault. Greedy whiners.
$77,000 is a helluva salary for most people.
Jules W.
Kent
> If they've used up all this "invisible" money (as in, it doesn't
> register in your head until you have to pay it back), then they were
> living beyond their means in the first place. If they made $93,000 per
> year and still borrowed on top of their regular mortgage loan, that's
> their own damn fault. Greedy whiners.
$93K *plus* her old salary, whatever it was. Not exactly the streets of
Paris in the 1780s.
Kent
Mary
>weeks," says Printz. "I knew it wouldn't be that easy, but I didn't
>think it would be this hard either."
Eleven years. Okay, let's think about that. She hasn't worked in her
field (whatever it is) for over ten years. Do you suppose she's rusty?
Behind on advancements in technology or practices?
I mean, she's surprised that it's taking a while, but I wonder what's
on the resume.
Mary
Virginia
"Mary" <mrfea...@aol.com> wrote in message
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"Domestic Engineer"
va :)
Mary
>> on the resume.
>"Domestic Engineer"
Yeah. With bullet points like:
*Skilled in removing grape juice from clothing
*Multitasker: can clean toilet(1) while napping.
Mary
1: OK, on the commercial they said bathroom bowl.
dalia
khan wrote:
>
> Six years later, Printz, 41, is encountering a new type of stress.
> Though her husband, Greg Berger, was making $93,000 as a software tester
> when Printz left her job, he was laid off two years later and now earns
> $77,000 in a new testing position.
>
> The drop in his income, combined with the loss of hers, has put a big
> strain on their once-comfortable finances: The couple have maxed out a
> $60,000 home-equity line of credit and run up $10,000 in credit-card debt.
>
Jeez. Couldn't they "economize?" Buy a smaller house, drive
economical cars, not spend all get-out on ballet lessons, etc, etc.
If $77K were coming into our home, we'd be ecstatic!
-dalia
elizabeth
Stupid bint missed what was going on--there are no easy jobs anymore,
if you don't have someone who will get you in (nothing wrong with
nepotism so long as you keep it in the family, and if you don't have
family with connections, good luck, after all, they need to hire at
least a few competent people to make up for all the family and friends
who didn't get the job on merit, so you have a tiny chance of
employment)
Within a decade, entire CAREER FIELDS get eliminated and/or outsourced,
and for the jobs that don't require much, they'd much rather have a
young tight pussy instead of an old, stretched out breedersow . ..
but I have no pity for anyone who maxes out credit. One of the first
jobs I had was a Credit Authorizer at Donaldson's (remember in Mary
Tyler Moore where she threw her hat in the air>? I worked in the
building in that shot) and learned how easy it was to get caught in a
credit trap. Shit happens. The interest rates are usury. I have
never had a credit card, and although it does make a lot of things more
difficult, I have survived very well.
There are basically two types of jobs now, those that require
specialized knowledge, like medicine or law, and those that don't
require much at all, and for those jobs, they want you under 30.
khan
> On Sun, 29 Jan 2006 20:20:53 GMT, "Kent" <kmp...@nc.IGNORETHISrr.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>$93K *plus* her old salary, whatever it was.
>
The article said it was $53K when she quit.
> Which I daresay we can deduce was NOT $15K -- if only because *those* jobs
> are still readily available to anyone with a pulse.
>
> -- Michelle
>
> Please, Don't Breed or Buy While Shelter Pets Die.
LindaMZard
"How soon can you start?" and you reply, "Um, depends on how quickly I
can get a sitter."
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I bet this moo mentioned her young, dependent, crotch turds on an
interview which is a big signal to not hire. It's her mistake if she
sabotages herself while talking about Snotleigh. I know that when I
was interviewing and this woman said she needed XXX amount because she
had a family, I was thinking "yup, not hiring her." Morons.
jacqui{JB}
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> But after five months of job hunting, with 40
> job applications and three interviews to show
> for her efforts, Printz has had no luck.
In five months she's only sent out *40* applications? Fuck's sake. Last
time I was on a serious job hunt, I sent out more than that in one *day*.
She's not serious about finding work.
-j
Junkyard Willie
I'm a senior manager in a Fortune 100 (Fortune 35, in fact) company- one of
the largest media companies in the country, overseeing plenty of hiring and
firing-
I'll tell you that there's is very little chance this woman would be hired
with 11 years out of the loop- especially knowing that she has young
children at home... statistically people with young children at home are
much more likely to leave work early to take care of various family
"situations," as well as have various things on their mind other than the
job at hand.
There is no story here- the dynamics of her family life are factors that
preclude her for a high-paying job. And it's not necessarily a CF
(child-free) frame of mind- given the choice I'll choose the person least
likely to have non-work 'emergencies' every time- and I've made a lot of
money based on my choices.
The business world is founded on one model- the free-market,
successful-business model: Minimize investment, maximize return. If this
woman was a real business woman, she'd understand the concept of ROI (return
on investment) and this story would never have been written. The fact that
it was written indicates nothing except the 'sense of entitlement' of this
woman and would seem to serve as an indicator of that 'sense' across the
board.
I would disagree with that model- regardless of the 'sense of entitlement'
of various individuals, there is no shortage of people with shrewd business
sense and well-tiered priorities these days.
This woman will not get a high paying job, at least not in the
heavily-networked industry I work in (I'll see to it personally to whatever
extent I can); and probably not in any other sector of the economy, There
are too many very talented people in the position to make that call that are
all too aware of her mindset and are willing to actively prevent her and
those like her from being financially successful.
"Mary" <mrfea...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Abbie F.
Breeders who toss it all aside for the sake of their spawn believe that
to be the only "investment" which should matter - although any "return"
is purely personal. For some reason, many of them expect companies to
share their priorities and cry when it doesn't work that way. Those
receiving what they consider unfair treatment would do well to get
their minds out of the diaper bin and focus on what the outside world
considers important, rather than on its acquiescence to their wishes.
Companies which promote benefits intended to garner the praise of
famblee-friendly publications should tally the expenses thus generated.
Moos who spend half of the work day complaining about personal issues
decimate the bottom line by reducing overall productivity. I wish
there were more executives with your perceptive skills in policy-making
positions; there would be far fewer distractions and less halfhearted
effort in the workplace.
As a CF female, I refrain from the display of overtly personal or
sentimental items in my office space so as to avoid
mischaracterization. Performance can be predicted by a simple desk
scan. It's difficult to imagine someone concentrating on business when
snapshots of sticky toddlers litter every flat or pushpin-friendly
surface. Don't they need that space for charts, guidelines or manuals?
Yet I see it all the time, even in technical fields requiring frequent
reference to numerous codes which are best kept accessible at all
times.
If prospective employees could be relied upon to leave the drama at the
door, reproductive status would be irrelevant. There are far too many
who can't, so it's not.
Mary
>heavily-networked industry I work in (I'll see to it personally to whatever
>extent I can); and probably not in any other sector of the economy, There
>are too many very talented people in the position to make that call that are
>all too aware of her mindset and are willing to actively prevent her and
>those like her from being financially successful.
This is the point, exactly. It's not that Mommee most likely couldn't
learn to do the things she missed out on in the last eleven years.
It's that there are many, many applicants who spent those years working
and getting directly applicable experience. I've hired three people in
the last three years and that's the way it worked out every time --
there were always a few people who were clearly completely unprepared
to do the job we were hiring for; there were some who could probably do
it but didn't have directly applicable experience, and there were one
or two who had the experience to walk in and start being effective
right away.
You can't be surprised when those people are the ones hired.
Mary
Sharon
In article <1138887284....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Abbie F." <abbief...@yahoo.com> writes:
>
> As a CF female, I refrain from the display of overtly personal or
> sentimental items in my office space so as to avoid
> mischaracterization. Performance can be predicted by a simple desk
> scan. It's difficult to imagine someone concentrating on business when
> snapshots of sticky toddlers litter every flat or pushpin-friendly
> surface. Don't they need that space for charts, guidelines or manuals?
> Yet I see it all the time, even in technical fields requiring frequent
> reference to numerous codes which are best kept accessible at all
> times.
I mostly agree, although I don't think you can *always* tell a person's
workstyle based on their desk. I tried to make mine look a bit homey with a
couple of plants because I find that a "dead" unattractive space really affects
me psychologically. I also have a few small toys that I don't really play
with, they're mainly there for decoration, one photo of my hubby and one of my
recently departed teddy bear (cat).
But I think I have a reputation for getting my projects done on
schedule and under budget, and I don't think anybody realized that last summer
I sold a house, bought another, and got married. Well, people noticed I got
married when my name changed unannounced, but I never talked about our plans
and things.
I'm amused by a coworker's office. She was hired as a software
engineer and quickly promoted to manager after her manager quit. She's
unmarried with no kids and she works really hard. But her office is all done
up in pink and purple, with tiny sparkly and colorful shoe-themed gewgaws all
over the place.
There's not really any competition because I don't want to go into
management, but I'm curious to watch over time to see if our different office
styles do have an impact on how the company perceives us.
(BTW, don't you HATE seeing how girl things are always pink and purple
these days? Anytime they market toys for girls they seem compelled to make
them pink and purple. Personally, those colors have always made me nauseous.)
- Sharon
"Gravity... is a harsh mistress!"
Junkyard Willie
"Omixochitl" <omixoch...@yahoo.com> wrote
> Either that or she does understand ROI and thinks of it on a smaller
> scale?
>
> I got the impression that some of these workers who leave the office early
> and don't want their pay cut for it wish to minimize their investment in
> their jobs and maximize the returns they get in their paychecks...
To that I would say they will only succeed as long as the market will bear
(as it were).
In any case, it's simply a continuation of the self-oriented worldview
inherent in people like those in the story. It's why people just out of
college don't work for me. It's why military veterans are preferred hires.
I want someone who has worked for a living, someone who hasn't had the world
handed to them on a plate (because then they will expect me to continue with
the plate-handing). Someone who has to leave in the middle of the day
because their kid is in trouble at school or calls in sick because their kid
has a toothache is a liability to my employer that's so easy to prevent (by
not hiring) that I'd be an idiot not to. Let's not forget how much extra
money the insurance company has to spend for the extensive medical costs
associated with children- ever priced a set of braces and pediatric dental
surgery?
Abbie F.
Sharon wrote:
> In article <1138887284....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>, "Abbie F." <abbief...@yahoo.com> writes:
> >
> > As a CF female, I refrain from the display of overtly personal or
> > sentimental items in my office space so as to avoid
> > mischaracterization. Performance can be predicted by a simple desk
> > scan. It's difficult to imagine someone concentrating on business when
> > snapshots of sticky toddlers litter every flat or pushpin-friendly
> > surface. Don't they need that space for charts, guidelines or manuals?
> > Yet I see it all the time, even in technical fields requiring frequent
> > reference to numerous codes which are best kept accessible at all
> > times.
>
> I mostly agree, although I don't think you can *always* tell a person's
> workstyle based on their desk. I tried to make mine look a bit homey with a
> couple of plants because I find that a "dead" unattractive space really affects
> me psychologically. I also have a few small toys that I don't really play
> with, they're mainly there for decoration, one photo of my hubby and one of my
> recently departed teddy bear (cat).
> But I think I have a reputation for getting my projects done on
> schedule and under budget, and I don't think anybody realized that last summer
> I sold a house, bought another, and got married. Well, people noticed I got
> married when my name changed unannounced, but I never talked about our plans
> and things.
Sure, fun things show you have a sense of humor. Nothing wrong with
those! And a few pix here and there are certainly understandable. You
should see some of the stuff in my office, though; it's waaaay beyond
normal. I don't know how they expect to move up the ranks when half
the time they're absent, and the other half is spent talking to
cow-workers about the latest addition to their moo-seum.
The montages and shrines dedicated to doughy-faced sproggen that
decorate some desks reflect very badly on their owners, especially when
there's nothing work-related anywhere. Those aren't decorative,
entertaining or even a tasteful, reserved photo display of selected
loved ones. They're just ugly - whole walls papered in
fleshloaf-colored pink with splotches of crochet and random splotchy
finger paintings. It's all they stare at, all day long, revealing a
narcissistic sort of obsession (and it sure isn't with work!)
The other day I got an ultrasound thrust in my face during an important
meeting. She even tried to show it to the meeting's facilitator. "Oh
my gawd," I managed to say, cringing. She interpreted this as
admiration and started pointing out body parts, even after I said it
looked weird and turned my attention to some papers.
Jennifer
jacqui{JB} wrote:
> Last
> time I was on a serious job hunt, I sent out more than that in one *day*.
Wow, really? When I was laid off a few years ago, there weren't 40
jobs a day worth applying for... more like 10 a week at MOST.
Guess it depends on your industry.
--
Jennifer
Ilene Bilenky
"Jennifer" <msj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> When I was laid off a few years ago, there weren't 40
> jobs a day worth applying for
Maybe they were "cold call" resume mailings.
It does seem that any applications that are long-distance are basically
a waste of time, as companies don't believe that you'll travel for the
job (probably statistically accurate, but unfortunate for those who
really are planning to move).
Ilene B