OT: "Artist" intentially went ahead with misspellings
Veronique
that she knew "Eistein" was misspelled but figured no one would
notice. And besides, people misspell her name all the time. And
besides, she works in clay (what does this have to do with spelling?)
and despite being "highly educated" thinks spelling is no longer an
issue since "everyone uses computers."
Unfortunately, despite her handwringing about how the City of
Livermore has "ruined her artistic career" (huh?) I suspect all the
publicity will only send the price of her works every skyward,
especially since there apparently ARE people out there somewhere
defending her egregious arrogance and her deliberately turning a
blind-eye to a major flaw when the work was in process in the name of
"art."
//spit!//
V.
PS, on the bright side, Dave Barry has devoted a whole section of his
weblog to this, as apparently the citizens of Miami are no more
pleased at having a geographical association with this piece of work
than Livermore or Santa Cruz.
From SFGate.com:
Miffed artist doesn't want to correct misspellings
Muralist offended by 'nasty' criticism of Livermore piece
Leslie Fulbright, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, October 9, 2004
The artist who created the now-infamous Livermore library mosaic that
contains 11 misspellings says she no longer wants to fix it because of
the "nasty messages from people who don't understand art."
Maria Alquilar, who complained that her name, too, was often
misspelled, said she had been overwhelmed by dozens of phone calls and
more than 1,000 e- mails since her errors -- from "Eistein" to
"Shakespere" to "Michaelangelo" -- were widely publicized.
Fed up, Alquilar said Friday that she was reconsidering her decision
to correct her work because the people of Livermore had been so mean.
"If I come out, there will probably be a demonstration," she said.
"There is so much anger. I am so upset, I can't even think straight."
Alquilar will wait for the issue to die down before she makes a firm
decision, but she said she would prefer that the city just tear up the
piece, which measures 16 feet in diameter and includes 175 historical
names and cultural words.
"I will consent if the city wants to pay to have it removed," she
said.
City officials, who paid $40,000 for the mosaic, said they hoped
Alquilar would correct the mistakes but had not received an answer.
"She indicated that she is not sure if she wants to come back," said
Assistant City Manager Jim Piper. "We will get her final decision next
week."
The city has not decided what to do if Alquilar, who lives in Miami,
refuses to return, but officials are evaluating their options.
In the meantime, Alquilar has closed her gallery and says she plans to
cancel an upcoming show because of the furor.
"My career in public art is over," said the artist, who has created
murals at Valley Medical Center in San Jose, the Water and Sewer
Administration in Sacramento and Arizona State University in Tempe,
Ariz.
In 1990, the U.S. General Service Administration gave Alquilar an
award for her mural at the border crossing in San Luis, Ariz.
Livermore officials selected Alquilar in 2000 to create a mosaic at
the entrance to Livermore's new library. It shows a tree of life in
its center surrounded by icons representing science, art literature
and history. Officials attending the library's opening in May noticed
that 10 names and one word on the piece were misspelled.
The artist said the names were spelled correctly on her sketches, but
she got them wrong as she was doing the piece. She admits noticing
"Einstein" was misspelled but choosing to go forward anyway.
"I just wasn't that concerned," she said. "None of us are particularly
good spellers anymore because of computers. When you are in a studio
full of clay, you don't give it much thought.
"When you look at Michelangelo's David, do you point out that one
(testicle) is lower than the other?"
Earlier this week, the Livermore City Council voted 3-2 to pay
Alquilar $6,000 to fix the misspelled names. State law prohibits
removing or changing public art without the artist's consent.
The city debated leaving the misspelled names and creating a game
where visitors try to find them -- an idea that angered Alquilar.
"Can you imagine them suggesting that a work of art be used as a
game?" she asked. "It is outrageous."
Though some argue the artist should be allowed to spell names however
she wants, others say the piece is an embarrassment.
Phone calls to the artist started after the city said she would be
paid to correct the errors. Alquilar was screening calls when she got
a call from a man claiming to be a police officer. She picked up the
phone, and the caller joked that he was from a special Livermore unit
that is inspecting spelling errors.
Another caller suggested Alquilar had a learning disability, and
several used ethnic slurs, she said.
"It turned into a sport for them," said Alquilar, who said she was
well educated and not dyslexic.
Alquilar worked on the piece for more than a year and said the whole
experience was negative. She said people were unfriendly, and she was
offended that she wasn't invited to the opening.
"I just wasn't left with a good feeling, like I would want to fix it
for them," she said.
She said the piece had been on display for four days before it was
completed and viewed by city employees, architects, contractors and
library officials. No one noticed the errors, she said.
"That proves that words are not the important part," she said. "The
mural is supposed to lead people into discovering different parts of
the world and its influences. This one has been detrimental."
mroo philpott-smythe
> Now Maria Alquilar, the Artist Who Has No Respect For Language,
But a healthy respect for money.
> admits
> that she knew "Eistein" was misspelled but figured no one would
> notice. And besides, people misspell her name all the time. And
> besides, she works in clay (what does this have to do with spelling?)
> and despite being "highly educated" thinks spelling is no longer an
> issue since "everyone uses computers."
To correct misspellings in clay murals, even. My, those computers are
efficient.
> Unfortunately, despite her handwringing about how the City of
> Livermore has "ruined her artistic career" (huh?)
Yeah, huh, what artistic career?
> I suspect all the
> publicity will only send the price of her works every skyward,
> especially since there apparently ARE people out there somewhere
> defending her egregious arrogance and her deliberately turning a
> blind-eye to a major flaw when the work was in process in the name of
> "art."
I hate to be such a fucking Pollyanna, but has it ever occurred to you
that idiocies of misspelling like this actually *do* make her work
collectible? For those who like kitschy "cul-tuwah-al Ahhhtifacts"
demonstrating the boundless ignorance of, say, this century?
> PS, on the bright side, Dave Barry has devoted a whole section of his
> weblog to this, as apparently the citizens of Miami are no more
> pleased at having a geographical association with this piece of work
> than Livermore or Santa Cruz.
Amazing. There are Meanies even in Florida.
> From SFGate.com:
[alidiotectomy]
> The artist who created the now-infamous Livermore library mosaic that
> contains 11 misspellings says she no longer wants to fix it because of
> the "nasty messages from people who don't understand art."
Awww! Is its poor widdew feewings hurted!
Fuck me, when you put your art out there, whether its writing, stand-up,
theater, or stripping, you damn well better expect at least *some*
people will think you're a piece of talentless shit and share that
opinion with you.
What, Lenny Bruce was never heckled?
[Meanectomy]
> "I will consent if the city wants to pay to have it removed," she
> said.
So it *is* about money, after all.
> "My career in public art is over," said the artist, who has created
> murals at Valley Medical Center in San Jose, the Water and Sewer
> Administration in Sacramento and Arizona State University in Tempe,
> Ariz.
One can only hope. Although I must say having her mural at the Sewer
Administration is a nice touch.
[furtherectomies]
> "I just wasn't that concerned," she said. "None of us are particularly
> good spellers anymore because of computers. When you are in a studio
> full of clay, you don't give it much thought.
Who the fuck is this "us"? I'm an excellent speller, always have been.
What she means is, SHE doesn't give much much thought.
> "When you look at Michelangelo's David, do you point out that one
> (testicle) is lower than the other?"
Well, yeah.
> Earlier this week, the Livermore City Council voted 3-2 to pay
> Alquilar $6,000 to fix the misspelled names. State law prohibits
> removing or changing public art without the artist's consent.
> The city debated leaving the misspelled names and creating a game
> where visitors try to find them -- an idea that angered Alquilar.
> "Can you imagine them suggesting that a work of art be used as a
> game?" she asked. "It is outrageous."
Well, if it *was* a Work of Art, I might be outraged. However, it
appears to be a Work of Maria. I laugh.
> Though some argue the artist should be allowed to spell names however
> she wants, others say the piece is an embarrassment.
I'd like to know who these "some" are. They, along with the artist,
deserve a hair parting with the Bat of Clue.
> Another caller suggested Alquilar had a learning disability, and
> several used ethnic slurs, she said.
OK, ethnic slurs might not be cool, but the rest of it is funny.
> "It turned into a sport for them," said Alquilar, who said she was
> well educated and not dyslexic.
Well-educated at *what*?
> Alquilar worked on the piece for more than a year and said the whole
> experience was negative. She said people were unfriendly, and she was
> offended that she wasn't invited to the opening.
She scams the city for $40K, leaves them with a piece of shit, asks for
more $$$ to fix her crappy work, and then is *offended*??? My, we are
entitlement-minded!
[Annoyancectomy]
> "That proves that words are not the important part," she said. "The
> mural is supposed to lead people into discovering different parts of
> the world and its influences. This one has been detrimental."
Yes, well, it wouldn't have *been* detrimental, you sad eejit, if you'd
bothered to spell everything correctly the first time around.
What kind of eejits *notice* they're making an error and decide not to
fix it?
I hope they renege on the $40K they paid her - or is it too late?
sq
KFB ESQ
>"Einstein" was misspelled but choosing to go forward anyway.
>
>"I just wasn't that concerned," she said. "None of us are particularly
>good spellers anymore because of computers. When you are in a studio
full of clay, you don't give it much thought.
>
>"When you look at Michelangelo's David, do you point out that one
>(testicle) is lower than the other?"
WTF? What does a low ball on David have to do with her incompetence and
negligence? This idiot is not firing on all cylinders.
Kevin
Jason G
>
>Now Maria Alquilar,
Irrelevant tangent: Her name transliterates to "Mary To Rent".
>Maria Alquilar, who complained that her name, too, was often
>misspelled,
Ah, perhaps she is striking a blow against whitey in revenge?
>"I will consent if the city wants to pay to have it removed," she
>said.
The city should just ask for donations. I'm sure they'd be deluged with money
from the spelling public.
>"My career in public art is over," said the artist,
Hooray! Nobody will miss you!
>who has created
>murals at Valley Medical Center in San Jose, the Water and Sewer
>Administration in Sacramento and Arizona State University in Tempe,
>Ariz.
IOW, all publicly funded diversity patronage.
>In 1990, the U.S. General Service Administration gave Alquilar an
>award for her mural at the border crossing in San Luis, Ariz.
Which no doubt blames mean whitey for the existence of a border in the first
place.
>"I just wasn't that concerned," she said. "None of us are particularly
>good spellers anymore because of computers.
Uh, perhaps YOU aren't a good speller, cupcake.
>Another caller suggested Alquilar had a learning disability,
HAHAHAA! What a delicate circumlocution of someone calling her a retard.
"suggested she had a learning disability." It is to laugh.
>"It turned into a sport for them," said Alquilar, who said she was
>well educated and not dyslexic.
I'd love to see her degree plan.
>She said people were unfriendly, and she was
>offended that she wasn't invited to the opening.
Wow, she must have been a complete and utter pain in the ass even before the
controversy to not get invited to her own opening.
>"I just wasn't left with a good feeling, like I would want to fix it
>for them," she said.
And of course it is all about her feeeeelings.
>"That proves that words are not the important part," she said. "The
>mural is supposed to lead people into discovering different parts of
>the world and its influences.
So I wonder what part of the world influenced her to be dumb?
--
Jason G
"I'm definitely starting to develop darker fantasies about you. Most of them
involve your head on a pike." - mroo philpott-smythe
No kids 4 you
>My career in public art is over," said the artist
Heh. Good.
Jason G
>
>WTF? What does a low ball on David have to do with her incompetence and
>negligence? This idiot is not firing on all cylinders.
>
Besides, they DO hang with one lower.
Karen M
veroniq...@yahoo.com (Veronique) wrote:
>
>
> From SFGate.com:
>
>
> Maria Alquilar, who complained that her name, too, was often
> misspelled,
Boo hoo. If you've got a name that isn't particularly common in the
WASP-oriented USofA, you get used to it being misspelled. I'll match my
two l's and an x against "Alquilar" any day of the week.
> said she had been overwhelmed by dozens of phone calls and
> more than 1,000 e- mails since her errors -- from "Eistein" to
> "Shakespere" to "Michaelangelo" -- were widely publicized.
>
> Fed up, Alquilar said Friday that she was reconsidering her decision
> to correct her work because the people of Livermore had been so mean.
They spent a lot of money on a project that was fucked up. I don't blame
them for being expecting to have it made right, not that that excuses a
bunch of yahoos for making nuisance or threatening phone calls.
>
> The artist said the names were spelled correctly on her sketches, but
> she got them wrong as she was doing the piece. She admits noticing
> "Einstein" was misspelled but choosing to go forward anyway.
>
> "I just wasn't that concerned," she said. "None of us are particularly
> good spellers anymore because of computers. When you are in a studio
> full of clay, you don't give it much thought.
Yes, but when you're working on a piece of work for a LIBRARY, perhaps
you should.
>
> "When you look at Michelangelo's David, do you point out that one
> (testicle) is lower than the other?"
>
Well, yes, people have been commenting on David's testicles for
centuries. Your mural won't be around that long.
> Earlier this week, the Livermore City Council voted 3-2 to pay
> Alquilar $6,000 to fix the misspelled names. State law prohibits
> removing or changing public art without the artist's consent.
However, if "vandals" were to destroy the thing one dark night...
> Though some argue the artist should be allowed to spell names however
> she wants, others say the piece is an embarrassment.
An artist can spell -his own- name however he wants, but names of
historical figures? No.
>
> Alquilar worked on the piece for more than a year and said the whole
> experience was negative. She said people were unfriendly, and she was
> offended that she wasn't invited to the opening.
In retrospect, it's probably better that she wasn't there.
Karen
nil...@invalid.com.au
2004 14:23:06 -0700, Jason G wrote:
>In article <3c499a9e.04100...@posting.google.com>, Veronique says...
>>
>>Now Maria Alquilar,
>
>Irrelevant tangent: Her name transliterates to "Mary To Rent".
More or less. Alquilar is a transitive verb meaning "to
hire".
However, close enough. In any case, who would want to buy
her?
>
>>Maria Alquilar, who complained that her name, too, was often
>>misspelled,
>
>Ah, perhaps she is striking a blow against whitey in revenge?
Perhaps :-)
>
>>"I will consent if the city wants to pay to have it removed," she
>>said.
>
>The city should just ask for donations. I'm sure they'd be deluged with money
>from the spelling public.
>
>>"My career in public art is over," said the artist,
>
>Hooray! Nobody will miss you!
>
>>who has created
>>murals at Valley Medical Center in San Jose, the Water and Sewer
>>Administration in Sacramento and Arizona State University in Tempe,
>>Ariz.
>
>IOW, all publicly funded diversity patronage.
>
>>In 1990, the U.S. General Service Administration gave Alquilar an
>>award for her mural at the border crossing in San Luis, Ariz.
>
>Which no doubt blames mean whitey for the existence of a border in the first
>place.
>
>>"I just wasn't that concerned," she said. "None of us are particularly
>>good spellers anymore because of computers.
>
>Uh, perhaps YOU aren't a good speller, cupcake.
Even those who are not should be able to manage a
spellchecker program, if they bother to proofread the
results. I don't always bother to do so on informal posts
on usenet, but would certainly do so if writing formal
English or creating a "work of art". :-)
>
>>Another caller suggested Alquilar had a learning disability,
>
>HAHAHAA! What a delicate circumlocution of someone calling her a retard.
>"suggested she had a learning disability." It is to laugh.
Now, now, Jason, don't be impolite. Am pretty sure that
"retard" is definitely not acceptable these days. Anything
suggesting any form of "disability" is on the way out. If
you want to be "politically correct" perhaps a safe term
might be "alternatively skilled"?
This one should be pretty safe for a while yet. You can
apply to many forms of human behaviour. After all, a child
or adult who smears their shit on walls in interesting
patterns can be described as "alternatively skilled".
Come to think of it, almost anyone, even terrorists, could
be described as "alternatively skilled"
>>"It turned into a sport for them," said Alquilar, who said she was
>>well educated and not dyslexic.
>
>I'd love to see her degree plan.
I'd like to give a spelling test to the officials who
approved the project and failed to spot the errors.
>
>>She said people were unfriendly, and she was
>>offended that she wasn't invited to the opening.
>
>Wow, she must have been a complete and utter pain in the ass even before the
>controversy to not get invited to her own opening.
>
>
>>"I just wasn't left with a good feeling, like I would want to fix it
>>for them," she said.
>
>And of course it is all about her feeeeelings.
Why does this remind me of some people on this group who
seem to greatly value emotion over intellect and logic?
>
>>"That proves that words are not the important part," she said. "The
>>mural is supposed to lead people into discovering different parts of
>>the world and its influences.
>
>So I wonder what part of the world influenced her to be dumb?
I don't think I want to speculate too much this point, but
out of curiosity where was she born and educated?
Regards,
"nilkids"
Lucy Furr 5150
Don't worry, I'm sure there is a village out there somewhere just looking for
an idiot.
She's blamed everyone and everything else but herself for her own mistakes.
It's pathetic. Grow up, lady and face the music. I do agree that no one
should be calling at night or harassing in a vulgar or violent manner, but you
got paid for PUBLIC ART - so the PUBLIC has a right to tell you what a piece of
work it really is. ;)
Kat
Karl Grüber
> Jason G wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>> In article <20041009172408...@mb-m01.aol.com>, KFB ESQ
>> says...
>>>
>>>WTF? What does a low ball on David have to do with her incompetence
>>>and negligence? This idiot is not firing on all cylinders.
>
>> Besides, they DO hang with one lower.
>
> It also helps to suggest the normal fluidity that part of the anatomy has.
> It's telling that the only focus of Ms. Aquilar upon seeing an artwork such
> as 'David' is the testicles.
It's also telling that she doesn't have any understanding of how they
function and that it's not a flaw. Or maybe, as the top-notch artist
she is, her concern for anatomical correctness in nudes matches her
concern for proper spelling.
--
karlg (at) crunchyfrog (dot) net
If I want to hear the pitter-patter of little feet around the house,
I'll put shoes on the cats.
Terry Austin
news:3c499a9e.04100...@posting.google.com:
> Unfortunately, despite her handwringing about how the City of
> Livermore has "ruined her artistic career"
Lordy, I certainly hope they have.
--
Terry Austin
http://www.hyperbooks.com/
Campaign Cartographer Now Available
AndreaS
news:3c499a9e.04100...@posting.google.com...
> Now Maria Alquilar, the Artist Who Has No Respect For Language, admits
> that she knew "Eistein" was misspelled but figured no one would
> notice. And besides, people misspell her name all the time. And
> besides, she works in clay (what does this have to do with spelling?)
> and despite being "highly educated" thinks spelling is no longer an
> issue since "everyone uses computers."
Maybe this has already been noted...
From this article:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/state/20041006-1509-ca-librarymispellings.html
" The mistakes wouldn't even register with a true artisan, Alquilar said."
Excuse me, but some of us are both able spellers AND "true artisans". Screw
her, the defensive bint.
--
-Andrea
Jason G
>That I could believe. <shakes head envisioning a nude a la Aquilar> Nudes
>are a specialty of mine. I draw women more than men, however a true
>knowledge of anatomy is *so* necessary. Human bodies are beautiful, they
>are not perfect. If a model's left breast is a bit larger than the right,
>that is not something for me to "fix". It is something to portray
>accurately as a part of the variety that is physical beauty.
Absolutely. From a historical perspective the artistic, uh, the art... most...
uh...
Mmmmmmmmm. Breassstsss...
nil...@invalid.com.au
Message-ID:<3c499a9e.04100...@posting.google.com>
posted on 9 Oct 2004 13:45:40 -0700, Veronique wrote:
[snip]
>Livermore officials selected Alular in 2000 to create a mosaic at
>the entrance to Livermore's new library. It shows a tree of life in
>its center surrounded by icons representing science, art literature
>and history. Officials attending the library's opening in May noticed
>that 10 names and one word on the piece were misspelled.
>
>The artist said the names were spelled correctly on her sketches, but
>she got them wrong as she was doing the piece. She admits noticing
>"Einstein" was misspelled but choosing to go forward anyway.
>
>"I just wasn't that concerned," she said. "None of us are particularly
>good spellers anymore because of computers. When you are in a studio
>full of clay, you don't give it much thought.
>
>"When you look at Michelangelo's David, do you point out that one
>(testicle) is lower than the other?"
On many or most men, one testicle is lower. Michelangelo
was correct. Perhaps she never noticed?
Skeptical females on the group might consider borrowing an
accurate measuring instrument and measuring the testicle
level of the nearest consenting male.
>
>Earlier this week, the Livermore City Council voted 3-2 to pay
>Alquilar $6,000 to fix the misspelled names. State law prohibits
>removing or changing public art without the artist's consent.
Interesting!
>
>The city debated leaving the misspelled names and creating a game
>where visitors try to find them -- an idea that angered Alquilar.
>
>"Can you imagine them suggesting that a work of art be used as a
>game?" she asked. "It is outrageous."
IMHO, not really.
>
>Though some argue the artist should be allowed to spell names however
>she wants, others say the piece is an embarrassment.
I would think it would be a great embarrassment, actually,
for all concerned. If the city wanted to memorialize
famous figures of the past, why not get a monumental mason
to chisel the names on a marble slab or cast them on a
bronze tablet. Cheaper, and much more likely to be spelled
accurately. Why mess with "artistic mosaics" from people
who obviously cannot be relied on to check their work for
accuracy?
>
>Phone calls to the artist started after the city said she would be
>paid to correct the errors. Alquilar was screening calls when she got
>a call from a man claiming to be a police officer. She picked up the
>phone, and the caller joked that he was from a special Livermore unit
>that is inspecting spelling errors.
>
>Another caller suggested Alquilar had a learning disability, and
>several used ethnic slurs, she said.
>
>"It turned into a sport for them," said Alquilar, who said she was
>well educated and not dyslexic.
>
>Alquilar worked on the piece for more than a year and said the whole
>experience was negative. She said people were unfriendly, and she was
>offended that she wasn't invited to the opening.
>
>"I just wasn't left with a good feeling, like I would want to fix it
>for them," she said.
>
>She said the piece had been on display for four days before it was
>completed and viewed by city employees, architects, contractors and
>library officials. No one noticed the errors, she said.
That probably explains why they are so embarrassed and why
the screwup even made the news. :-)
>
>"That proves that words are not the important part," she said. "The
>mural is supposed to lead people into discovering different parts of
>the world and its influences. This one has been detrimental."
If it actually took four days for any Californian to spot
the errors and a newspaper to print the story, what it
actually proves is the severe educational decline in the US
in recent decades.
You do know this, Veronique, don't you? Or are you going
to try to tell the group that you wouldn't have noticed such
obvious spelling errors at age 18, 16, or even much earlier.
Really looking forward to your answer to this question.
Incidentally, I see that you sometimes identify yourself as
Veronique chez sheep. Would you be willing to explain that
reference to those of us who don't speak French?
Yes, before you ask, I have been curious enough to check
the word on an online dictionary:
-------
chez
Préposition
(a) ~ qn at sb's place (Infml), at sb's house, at sb's
flat, in sb's room; rester ~ soi to stay at home
(b) ~ le boucher/dentiste at the butcher's/dentist's;
prendre/avoir rendez-vous ~ le dentiste to make/have a
dental (or) dentist's appointment, make/have an appointment
at the dentist's (or) with the dentist
(c) ~ ce poète in this poet's work
(d) (Slang, humorous) c'est le pédé de ~ pédé he's as
gay as they come
chevrotant chevroter chevrotine chewing-gum chez chez-moi
chez-soi
>http://www.french-linguistics.co.uk/dictionary/<
--------
However, if you would like to explain further, am sure that
I wouldn't be the only one interested in hearing just why
you choose this particular signature.
You have recently indicated an interest in being pedantic
when you corrected my casual definition of "yeast" as a
"plant" in cooking terms.
It is closer to being a "plant" than an "animal".
Taxonomical classifications are constantly changing.
When I was in high school, we were taught that there was a
definite kingdom difference between "animal" and "plant".
Which, of course, made high school graduates confident that
they could identify the difference between an "animal" and a
"plant".
Until, of course, they ran across the genus of "Euglena", a
motile microscopic organism with an eyespot and chlorophyll.
Under the older definitions of plants and animals, it could
be defined as a "photosynthetic animal" or a "mobile plant".
When this problem became widely known, science again moved
the "goal posts" and redefined definitions. Just as they
had in the past with the "Conservation Laws" regarding the
supposed immutability of "matter" and "energy".
Now that they have realized that science cannot really
explain the origin of life, let alone duplicate it, they are
gently moving into other hypothetical situations, such as
the one that it "may have originated elsewhere in the
universe" and somehow arrived here. Which really "explains"
nothing if you have any intellectual integrity at all.
When the hypothesis of "spontaneous creation" of life was
first proposed, we thought it was a much simpler process
than we know it to be now. Would you like to disagree with
this postulate?
Or how about evolution itself? Originally, it was thought
to be a long slow process of life evolving into other life,
and the fossil record was supposed to reflect this. It has
not done so.
There is no fossil record of a sheep evolving into a horse,
cow, cat, or whatever. Or even of a snake evolving into a
sheep.
Of course, you shouldn't be blamed for what you were
probably taught. I don't know your age or level of
education. You could be an undergraduate, or even a bright
teenager as far as I know.
Regards,
"nilkids"
nil...@invalid.com.au
Message-ID:<Xns957DADFD2B5C...@cnews.newsguy.com>
posted on Sat, 09 Oct 2004 17:06:13 -0500, Caine wrote:
>Jason G wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>> In article <20041009172408...@mb-m01.aol.com>, KB ESQ
>> says...
>>>
>>>WT? What does a low ball on David have to do with her incompetence
>>>and negligence? This idiot is not firing on all cylinders.
>
>> Besides, they DO hang with one lower.
>
>It also helps to suggest the normal fluidity that part of the anatomy has.
>It's telling that the only focus of Ms. Auxiliary upon seeing an artwork such
>as 'David' is the testicles.
Yes, it tends to prove that she is almost as obsessive as
some people on this group, doesn't it? Such as those who
insist on emotional hoops for "lurkers" to jump through
before they are "accepted"? Imaginary offers of booze or
chocolate, perhaps?
But that is OK, Cain. You and others are doing a great job
of proving my basic point that this is group is an open
usenet group trying to insist that it is a "closed" group.
That every "lurker" is [figuratively] expected to "kiss the
collective asses of others before they can _possibly_ be
accepted.
Perhaps that is why there are so many "lurkers" on the
group?
I would have thought that any minority group of any
description would be more tolerant.
Hey, like you were a member of a "flat earth group" who
didn't believe that man had ever reached the moon or
something.
Wouldn't you be willing to accept that the earth might be
round, or that man actually had managed to land on the moon?
There are a lot of "childfree" people on this earth, and
some, like myself, who chose such status before some members
of this group were even thought of.
Am also an American, believe it or not, and I do reserve my
right to criticize some aspects of current American culture.
Yet some on this group seem to hysterically and emotionally
reject said rights.
Got some very basic hints for you and the group: If you
want converts, or even people willing to post on the group,
don't be so damn emotional, rejecting or paranoid.
Don't demand that people figuratively "kiss your collective
asses" with emotional responses.
Try to accept any childfree person of any age from whatever
nationality or culture without demanding this somewhat
childish "delurking" ritual that seems to satisfy the
somewhat obsessive/compulsive needs of many on this group.
Just some hopefully helpful advice, although am sure that
many will ignore it, as many have so far.
Regards,
"nilkids"
>
>Caine
Aynthem
> From SFGate.com:
>
> Miffed artist doesn't want to correct misspellings
> Muralist offended by 'nasty' criticism of Livermore piece
>
> Leslie Fulbright, Chronicle Staff Writer
> Saturday, October 9, 2004
>
> Maria Alquilar, who complained that her name, too, was often
> misspelled, said she had been overwhelmed by dozens of phone calls and
> more than 1,000 e- mails since her errors -- from "Eistein" to
> "Shakespere" to "Michaelangelo" -- were widely publicized.
Let's see -- "Eistein", "Shakespere", "Michaelangelo", "Alqular".
"One of these things just doesn't belong here, one of these things just
isn't right..."
> "My career in public art is over," said the artist, who has created
> murals at Valley Medical Center in San Jose, the Water and Sewer
> Administration in Sacramento and Arizona State University in Tempe,
> Ariz.
Your tax dollars at work!
> The artist said the names were spelled correctly on her sketches, but
> she got them wrong as she was doing the piece. She admits noticing
> "Einstein" was misspelled but choosing to go forward anyway.
>
> "I just wasn't that concerned," she said. "None of us are particularly
> good spellers anymore because of computers.
Speak for yourself, you frelling idiot! I've become a better speller
through having the alternatives shown to me during the spell check, so I
can look at and memorize the correct spellings! Why do I think in
school she "escaped" during art class because her academic classes were
just an exercise in being held down and forced to conform to The Man's
Dominant Educational Paradigm?
>When you are in a studio full of clay, you don't give it much thought.
>
> "When you look at Michelangelo's David, do you point out that one
> (testicle) is lower than the other?"
No, because that's the way real testicles hang!
>
> The city debated leaving the misspelled names and creating a game
> where visitors try to find them -- an idea that angered Alquilar.
>
> "Can you imagine them suggesting that a work of art be used as a
> game?" she asked. "It is outrageous."
She just will never get it, will she?
Melody
-----
I'm so glad there's California. It's kind of a big petri dish for the
rest of the nation. Every time someone has a stupid idea, California
tries it out, mercifully sparing the rest of us. -Tim Slagle
Jason G
>> Mmmmmmmmm. Breassstsss...
>
>I deeply share your sentiment.
Oh my.
Jason G
says...
>Try to accept any childfree person of any age from whatever
>nationality or culture without demanding this somewhat
>childish "delurking" ritual that seems to satisfy the
>somewhat obsessive/compulsive needs of many on this group.
Waaa waaa waa waaa waaa waaaaaah!
Titty baby.
nil...@invalid.com.au
posted on 9 Oct 2004 22:04:41 -0500, Aynthem wrote:
[snip]
>>
>> "Can you imagine them suggesting that a work of art be used as a
>> game?" she asked. "It is outrageous."
>
>She just will never get it, will she?
>
>Melody
>-----
>I'm so glad there's California. It's kind of a big petri dish for the
>rest of the nation. Every time someone has a stupid idea, California
>tries it out, mercifully sparing the rest of us. -Tim Slagle
This wouldn't be so bad if the infection only spread to
other parts of the U.S.A.
Unfortunately, like any epidemic or pandemic it eventually
tends to spread worldwide. :-)
Regards,
"nilkids"
Jason G
>some people on this group, doesn't it? Such as those who
>insist on emotional hoops for "lurkers" to jump through
>before they are "accepted"? Imaginary offers of booze or
>chocolate, perhaps?
Owww, wook. Hewr widdle feewing is huwrt.
nil...@invalid.com.au
2004 19:54:08 -0700, Jason G wrote:
>In article <gq3hm0drh23tbs24u...@4ax.com>, nil...@invalid.com.au
>says...
>
>>Try to accept any childfree person of any age from whatever
>>nationality or culture without demanding this somewhat
>>childish "delurking" ritual that seems to satisfy the
>>somewhat obsessive/compulsive needs of many on this group.
>
>Waaa waaa waa waaa waaa waaaaaah!
>
>Titty baby.
And you are willing to be a "sucker", Jason? Hell, some of
us already have guessed that much!
Into annalingus as well, by any chance?
No, you don't have to confess or provide photos, just
mentioning the possibility...
Regards,
"nilkids"
nil...@invalid.com.au
Message-ID:<Xns957DE027850E...@cnews.newsguy.com>
posted on Sat, 09 Oct 2004 22:02:06 -0500, Caine wrote:
>Jason G wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>
>> In article <gq3hm0drh23tbs24u...@4ax.com>,
>> nil...@invalid.com.au says...
>>
>>>Try to accept any childfree person of any age from whatever
>>>nationality or culture without demanding this somewhat
>>>childish "delurking" ritual that seems to satisfy the
>>>somewhat obsessive/compulsive needs of many on this group.
>
>> Waaa waaa waa waaa waaa waaaaaah!
>
>No shit. Call the waaaahmbulance already.
>
>> Titty baby.
>
>Too bad ol' liver spot won't recognize other people have been and are
>accepted. It's just her. Him. It.
Am quite sure that Jason is "accepted", just cannot help
wondering just why. Especially considering his [?] rather
craven and submissive attitude and your rather domineering
one. :-)
Human sexuality can be fascinating, in its darker
psychological aspects.
Reminds of a couple of characters in "The Stand", actually,
who both eventually came to a bad end. It has been many
years since read the book, so don't remember their names
offhand.
Do remember that they were both into motorcycles when they
went west to join Randy Flagg? ....Not that these were
their defining characteristics, of course.
Would usually remember their names, but perhaps I don't
because neither were particularly likable. I thought that
both got what they deserved, actually. :-)
Regards,
"nilkids"
Jo Anne Slaven
Just curious.
Jo Anne
Jason G
says...
>>Waaa waaa waa waaa waaa waaaaaah!
>>
>>Titty baby.
>
>And you are willing to be a "sucker", Jason? Hell, some of
>us already have guessed that much!
>
>Into annalingus as well, by any chance?
That's, what, licking history books? Is your last name Alquilar? Habla usted
Ingles, putita?
>No, you don't have to confess or provide photos, just
>mentioning the possibility...
>
Is that the best you got? Holy muscular dystrophied clogdancers, Batman, you
are lamer than I thought.
nil...@invalid.com.au
Message-ID:<Kf3ad.43755$jj2.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>
posted on Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:57:19 -0500, Jo Anne Slaven
wrote:
Well, Jo Anne, as have no idea whether you are an adult or
not, I won't attempt to answer this question for you.
However, I suppose I could refer you to others on this group
such as Jason or Caine who may not be as conservative as I
am.
You could try them anyway.
Regards,
"nilkids"
Veronique
> Veronique wrote:
> Incidentally, I see that you sometimes identify yourself as
> Veronique chez sheep. Would you be willing to explain that
> reference to those of us who don't speak French?
It's my name, dude.
> You have recently indicated an interest in being pedantic
> when you corrected my casual definition of "yeast" as a
> "plant" in cooking terms.
>
> It is closer to being a "plant" than an "animal".
> Taxonomical classifications are constantly changing.
0 for 2, dude. Taxonomically, fungi are closer to animals than plants.
Especially higher plants, as is implied by your use of the word
"plant." "Constantly changing" does not mean "randomly assigned."
V.
--
Caine
> nil...@invalid.com.au wrote:
>
>> Veronique wrote:
>
>> Incidentally, I see that you sometimes identify yourself as
>> Veronique chez sheep. Would you be willing to explain that
>> reference to those of us who don't speak French?
>
> It's my name, dude.
Holy sheep, V.! I didn't know sheep was a French word. Golly, the things
you learn every day. Catch ya later, Chez Sheepstress.
Caine, stifling laughter
--
This world needs a stiff double shot of strychnine. -Mr. E
J.W.T. Meakin
jrgu...@yahoo.REMOVEooTHISooPART.com says...
>
> Is that the best you got? Holy muscular dystrophied clogdancers, Batman, you
> are lamer than I thought.
Now don't you go being rude to cloggies. Have you ANY idea what
a "misplaced" clog can do to your groin?
http://www.clogfest.demon.co.uk/cf/cf03/cf03-pennyroyal.html
Bill.
nil...@invalid.com.au
Message-ID:<MPG.1bd284842...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>
posted on Sun, 10 Oct 2004 07:22:18 GMT, J.W.T. Meakin
wrote:
Nothing like what a "misplaced" attack dog such as a "bull
terrier" can do, though!
Regards,
"nilkids"
ROK Hound
> Maria Alquilar, who complained that her name, too, was often
> misspelled,
So? I have an "ethnic" name, too. Most anyone not of that same group
spells it wrong. So do I feel the need to "stick it to whitey"? No.
> "If I come out, there will probably be a demonstration," she said.
> "There is so much anger. I am so upset, I can't even think straight."
She can't think NOW? What's her excuse for before?
> The artist said the names were spelled correctly on her sketches, but
> she got them wrong as she was doing the piece.
I thought she first claimed they were misspelled on the sketches, and
the committee approved the misspellings. How many time is her story
going to change?
> She admits noticing
> "Einstein" was misspelled but choosing to go forward anyway.
>
> "I just wasn't that concerned," she said. "None of us are particularly
> good spellers
She should speak for herself. Pretty much everyone I know can spell
(except for a guy at uni... and he took a little extra longer to
graduate because he couldn't understand that "couldn't've" is not a
word).
> anymore because of computers.
Computers are responsible!! I fucking KNEW it!! How long before the
moomie brigade starts protesting schools to havew them removed once
they hear this?
> "When you look at Michelangelo's David, do you point out that one
> (testicle) is lower than the other?"
Yeah, that's the same thing.
> The city debated leaving the misspelled names and creating a game
> where visitors try to find them -- an idea that angered Alquilar.
>
> "Can you imagine them suggesting that a work of art be used as a
> game?" she asked. "It is outrageous."
Obviously they have no concept of art.
> "It turned into a sport for them," said Alquilar,
A sport even the Russian judges are scoring 10.0
> who said she was
> well educated and not dyslexic.
"Well"-educated. Not dyslexic. Hmph, I guess that only leaves
congenital stupidity.
ROK.
Objekt
> In article <Xns957DCA08C2FE...@news.individual.net>, Caine says...
>
>
>>That I could believe. <shakes head envisioning a nude a la Aquilar> Nudes
>>are a specialty of mine. I draw women more than men, however a true
>>knowledge of anatomy is *so* necessary. Human bodies are beautiful, they
>>are not perfect. If a model's left breast is a bit larger than the right,
>>that is not something for me to "fix". It is something to portray
>>accurately as a part of the variety that is physical beauty.
>
>
> Absolutely. From a historical perspective the artistic, uh, the art... most...
> uh...
>
> Mmmmmmmmm. Breassstsss...
>
>
My thoughts exactly, in fact...mmmm...nudes...breastesesss...
Objekt
mroo philpott-smythe
> In article <gq3hm0drh23tbs24u...@4ax.com>, nil...@invalid.com.au
> says...
>>Try to accept any childfree person of any age from whatever
>>nationality or culture without demanding this somewhat
>>childish "delurking" ritual that seems to satisfy the
>>somewhat obsessive/compulsive needs of many on this group.
> Waaa waaa waa waaa waaa waaaaaah!
> Titty baby.
Well, the titty part was nice anyway.
Mmmm, breasts ....
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> nil...@invalid.com.au wrote:
>>Into annalingus as well, by any chance?
> Annalingus. Is that, like, when you get off on licking calendars?
Isn't that "Annolingus"? Or "Annilingus"? Maybe it's "AnnusLingus"?
> Just curious.
Aer Lingus is not going to like this thread.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> Jo Anne Slaven wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>Just curious.
> Maybe magazines? Who knows? Ol' liver spot needs to figure out that if it
> wants to attempt to be scathing/clever/insulting that good spelling counts.
> How terribly relevant to this thread. <g>
> Hey, liver spot (don't get your hopes up, I still have KFed), here's the
> spelling you were looking for: Anilingus. Betcha ya still can't craft
> anything witty out of it.
You can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear.
Though liver spot's closest equivalent is rather south of the ear.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> In
> Message-ID:<Kf3ad.43755$jj2.1...@news20.bellglobal.com>
> posted on Sun, 10 Oct 2004 00:57:19 -0500, Jo Anne Slaven
> wrote:
>>nil...@invalid.com.au wrote:
>>>Into annalingus as well, by any chance?
>>Annalingus. Is that, like, when you get off on licking calendars?
>>Just curious.
> Well, Jo Anne, as have no idea whether you are an adult or
> not, I won't attempt to answer this question for you.
Translation: I'm an ignorant git, but can't refute you on this 'cos you
busted me in front of everybody, so you're a big meany poopyhead so there.
> However, I suppose I could refer you to others on this group
> such as Jason or Caine who may not be as conservative as I
> am.
And there's other big meany poopyheads in the Sekrit Kabal that I know
you're part of and I'm naming them and I bet you're all friends and I
hate you.
Yep, The Troll You Love To Hate Strikes Again. Ineffectually, but hey.
sq
mroo philpott-smythe
> Veronique wrote:
>> From SFGate.com:
=
>> Miffed artist doesn't want to correct misspellings Muralist offended
>> by 'nasty' criticism of Livermore piece
[storyectomy]
> Let's see -- "Eistein", "Shakespere", "Michaelangelo", "Alqular".
>
> "One of these things just doesn't belong here, one of these things just
> isn't right..."
"One of these things is not like the others, one of ... Ooops! Earworm!
[futherectomy]
>> The artist said the names were spelled correctly on her sketches, but
>> she got them wrong as she was doing the piece. She admits noticing
>> "Einstein" was misspelled but choosing to go forward anyway.
>>
>> "I just wasn't that concerned," she said. "None of us are particularly
>> good spellers anymore because of computers.
> Speak for yourself, you frelling idiot! I've become a better speller
> through having the alternatives shown to me during the spell check, so I
> can look at and memorize the correct spellings! Why do I think in
> school she "escaped" during art class because her academic classes were
> just an exercise in being held down and forced to conform to The Man's
> Dominant Educational Paradigm?
>> When you are in a studio full of clay, you don't give it much thought.
>> "When you look at Michelangelo's David, do you point out that one
>> (testicle) is lower than the other?"
> No, because that's the way real testicles hang!
>> The city debated leaving the misspelled names and creating a game
>> where visitors try to find them -- an idea that angered Alquilar.
>> "Can you imagine them suggesting that a work of art be used as a
>> game?" she asked. "It is outrageous."
> She just will never get it, will she?
She'd need a brain to get it with.
sq
Fountain of Filth
Jason G <jrgu...@yahoo.REMOVEooTHISooPART.com> wrote:
> In article <Xns957DCA08C2FE...@news.individual.net>, Caine
> says...
>
> >That I could believe. <shakes head envisioning a nude a la Aquilar> Nudes
> >are a specialty of mine. I draw women more than men, however a true
> >knowledge of anatomy is *so* necessary. Human bodies are beautiful, they
> >are not perfect. If a model's left breast is a bit larger than the right,
> >that is not something for me to "fix". It is something to portray
> >accurately as a part of the variety that is physical beauty.
>
> Absolutely. From a historical perspective the artistic, uh, the art...
> most...
> uh...
>
> Mmmmmmmmm. Breassstsss...
Funny, I was thinking the same thing.... :-)
~Fountain of Filth
--
"Freedom of choice is what you've got
Freedom from choice is what you want."
--Devo
Lorz
> Holy muscular dystrophied clogdancers, Batman
I just wanted to see that again.
hpjeannie
>
> Am quite sure that Jason is "accepted", just cannot help
> wondering just why. Especially considering his [?] rather
> craven and submissive attitude and your rather domineering
> one. :-)
>
> Human sexuality can be fascinating, in its darker
> psychological aspects.
>
> Reminds of a couple of characters in "The Stand", actually,
> who both eventually came to a bad end. It has been many
> years since read the book, so don't remember their names
> offhand.
>
> Do remember that they were both into motorcycles when they
> went west to join Randy Flagg? ....Not that these were
> their defining characteristics, of course.
>
> Would usually remember their names, but perhaps I don't
> because neither were particularly likable. I thought that
> both got what they deserved, actually. :-)
You got so involved that you forgot your moronic no-personal-pronoun
affectation in that last paragraph. You might want to work on that.
J.
stePH
> Reminds of a couple of characters in "The Stand", actually,
> who both eventually came to a bad end. It has been many
> years since read the book, so don't remember their names
> offhand.
>
> Do remember that they were both into motorcycles when they
> went west to join Randy Flagg? ....Not that these were
> their defining characteristics, of course.
>
> Would usually remember their names, but perhaps I don't
> because neither were particularly likable. I thought that
> both got what they deserved, actually. :-)
Harold Lauder and Nadine Cross.
I fail to see what point you're trying to make.
stePH
--
"A lion will exert himself to the utmost, even when entering the tiger's
den to throw baby rabbits off a cliff!" -- Moroboshi Ataru
mroo philpott-smythe
> In Message-ID:<2t24fdF...@uni-berlin.de> posted on Tue,
> 12 Oct 2004 06:28:12 -0700, stePH wrote:
>>nil...@invalid.com.au wrote:
[StupidNilEctomy]
> Wouldn't have thought you that obtuse, stePH. They were
> followers of Flagg, hence followers of Satan. The
> motorcycles were incidental. As I mentioned, the
> motorcycles were not their defining characteristic. There
> choice to follow Satan was.
I am *so* not trying to point out *who* the Obtuse might be.
Help me, y'all.
sq, "Sitting on both hands, in case one of them pops The Finger"
mroo philpott-smythe
> mroo philpott-smythe wrote in alt.support.childfree:
>>Caine wrote:
>>>mroo philpott-smythe wrote in alt.support.childfree:
[assholectomy]
>>Thanks, hon, but I lost the battle and poked a whole bunch of pins in
>>the asshole.
> It won't do any good. I'm convinced it's a troll who was here before.
And I'm thinkin' I even know which one. I just *gotta* stop pokin' on
it, goddammit.
>>On another and wholly unrelated track, what *is* ossau iraty? I hope
>>to Dawg it's not that revolting Sicilian stuff that has the live
>>maggots jumping out of it? Eh?
> Er, no. Here's the description:
[CheeseEctomy]
>>I made some fresh cheese this weekend. Yummy.
> Details?
Well, in Indian cooking one uses a fresh cheese called paneer, which I
usually make by pouring lemon juice into whole milk and straining it for
multiple hours. This weekend I made a Moroccan something-or-other that
required a yoghurt cheese, so I bought a nice yoghurt (Pavel's Original
Russian whole-milk), salted it, and put it in a cheesecloth in a
strainer over the sink. Made a nice yoghurt-cheese-ball. Sour, salty,
creamy, not too heavy.
I've made ricotta and mozzarella, but those usually require
industrial-size machines, although I pulled the mozzarella by hand.
sq "feel free to invade my mailbox anytime but ping me on the NG first
so I can lower the filters"
Veronique
> In article <416CB300...@idiom.com>, mroo philpott-smythe says...
>
> >On another and wholly unrelated track, what *is* ossau iraty? I hope to
> >Dawg it's not that revolting Sicilian stuff that has the live maggots
> >jumping out of it? Eh?
>
As are all sheep-milk cheeses. Romano, roquefort, feta, those Spanish
and Greek farm cheeses whose names I can't recall , I adored sheep
milk cheese for years before realizing it was the sheep that made it
so good.
I am convinced enlarging the sheep dairies in the US could do for the
sheep cheese industry what goats did for chevre. Chevre is ok, but
sheep milk cheeses are, as you say, fabulous.
V., fan of water buffalo mozarella also.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
mroo philpott-smythe
> mroo philpott-smythe <sqa...@idiom.com> wrote in
> news:416CB300...@idiom.com:
>>On another and wholly unrelated track, what *is* ossau iraty? I hope
>>to Dawg it's not that revolting Sicilian stuff that has the live
>>maggots jumping out of it? Eh?
> Casu marzu is the name for the horror you just described.
Of *course* you would know! I'm *so* not surprised.
The SD just couldn't wait to tell me about it - with a loving
description. Sick, I tell you, just plain sick.
sq
stePH
> In Message-ID:<2t24fdF...@uni-berlin.de> posted on Tue,
> 12 Oct 2004 06:28:12 -0700, stePH wrote:
>
>
>>nil...@invalid.com.au wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Reminds of a couple of characters in "The Stand", actually,
>>>who both eventually came to a bad end. It has been many
>>>years since read the book, so don't remember their names
>>>offhand.
>>>
>>>Do remember that they were both into motorcycles when they
>>>went west to join Randy Flagg? ....Not that these were
>>>their defining characteristics, of course.
>>>
>>>Would usually remember their names, but perhaps I don't
>>>because neither were particularly likable. I thought that
>>>both got what they deserved, actually. :-)
>>
>>Harold Lauder and Nadine Cross.
>>
>>I fail to see what point you're trying to make.
>
>
> Wouldn't have thought you that obtuse, stePH. They were
> followers of Flagg, hence followers of Satan. The
> motorcycles were incidental. As I mentioned, the
> motorcycles were not their defining characteristic. There
> choice to follow Satan was.
Dude, these are *fictional characters* ... you understand the concept of
fictional characters, right?
nil...@invalid.com.au
13 Oct 2004 09:59:15 -0700, stePH wrote:
>nil...@invalid.com.au wrote:
>
>> In Message-ID:<2t24fdF...@uni-berlin.de> posted on Tue,
>> 12 Oct 2004 06:28:12 -0700, stePH wrote:
>>
>>
>>>nil...@invalid.com.au wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>Reminds of a couple of characters in "The Stand", actually,
>>>>who both eventually came to a bad end. It has been many
>>>>years since read the book, so don't remember their names
>>>>offhand.
>>>>
>>>>Do remember that they were both into motorcycles when they
>>>>went west to join Randy Flagg? ....Not that these were
>>>>their defining characteristics, of course.
>>>>
>>>>Would usually remember their names, but perhaps I don't
>>>>because neither were particularly likable. I thought that
>>>>both got what they deserved, actually. :-)
>>>
>>>Harold Lauder and Nadine Cross.
>>>
>>>I fail to see what point you're trying to make.
>>
>>
>> Wouldn't have thought you that obtuse, stePH. They were
>> followers of Flagg, hence followers of Satan. The
>> motorcycles were incidental. As I mentioned, the
>> motorcycles were not their defining characteristic. There
>> choice to follow Satan was.
>
>Dude, these are *fictional characters* ... you understand the concept of
>fictional characters, right?
Yes, and do you understand the relationship between fiction
and fact?
Or are you trying to deny that there are worshipers of Satan
on this earth. If so, you have less intelligence than I
thought you had.
I have personally met claimed worshipers of Satan. Can you
give me any logical reason why I should disbelieve what they
have told me?
Incidentally, have also met people who denied the existence
of both God and Satan. Can you give me any logical reason
why I should believe them either?
Regards,
"nilkids"
>
>
>stePH
Morwen
(in message <MPG.1bd87607e...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>):
> In article <0001HW.BD935D69...@news.gmavt.net>,
> Mor...@spamcop.net says...
>>
>> I recently saw a show about "taboo foods" that included the maggotty
>> cheese
>> horror. (I have always wondered why my northern Italian grandmother hated
>> Sicilians, but maybe that cheese explains it.)
>
> A less amusing but more probable reason is that Northern Italy
> and Sicily were parts of separate (and very different) nations
> until about 1860. The ingrained dislikes of the people of one
> region for the people of another can last a good number of
> generations, cf. Bosnia.
Well, yeah. I was being facetious.
Yes, northern Italians look down on southern Italians and both groups despise
Sicilians, although there are exceptions of course. My grandmother used a
racial slur to describe Sicilians that is normally used against black people.
Then an Italian exchange student I knew in high school insisted that
Sicilians were Africans (and she did not mean that in a good way). I was
surprised by how openly nasty she was about it, and sorry to see that the
prejudice still lingers.
Morwen
Jason G
>> >jumping out of it? Eh?
>>
>> Oh god no. ISTR it is sheep-milk cheese, and it is absolutely fabulous.
>
>As are all sheep-milk cheeses. Romano, roquefort, feta, those Spanish
>and Greek farm cheeses whose names I can't recall ,
Manchego and Mizithra?
I loves me some Manchego.
--
Jason G
"I'm definitely starting to develop darker fantasies about you. Most of them
involve your head on a pike." - mroo philpott-smythe
Mike
1993. I have a friend in the city arts administration, and I mentioned
the current uproar over Alquilar's Livermore misspellings and her
reluctance to go back and fix them. My friend told me that some of the
ceramics here were badly installed and quickly started to come apart.
The city contacted Alquilar and asked her to come back and fix them.
Alquilar said that since the weather had gotten cooler, she would only
come back if the city agreed to buy her a coat!
Veronique
> as "shy producers." I'm actually interested in exploring further. I
> understand that sheep's milk cheeses often have some goat milk added
> because dairy goats are more robust producers. Do you know if this is true?
From http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/dairysheep.html
"Sheep milk has about twice the amount of milk solids as goat milk. As
a result, more cheese is produced per gallon of milk. Dairy sheep,
however, produce considerably less milk per animal. In order to have
enough milk for a small-scale commercial operation, there must be
several flocks in an area, or milk must be stored until the necessary
amount accumulates. Very few states have processing plants for sheep
milk. Your state department of agriculture may know of processors in
your state, or can provide you with information if you decide to
process the milk yourself. Some producers are processing their own
milk into cheese and other products, and this may be your only option.
Other producers are able to find cheesemakers who will buy their milk.
Forming a cooperative with other producers may be worth exploring;
Wisconsin has a cooperative already."
There is a specific breed of dairy sheep called the East Friesian. Two
other breeds that have been used are Dorset and Lacaune (I've never
seen a photo of a Lacaune; I know the other two are good-sized sheep.)
One farm in Canada has about 150 ewes and raised 200-300 lambs
annually, in addition to the dairy (lambs are almost always raised as
an adjunct to dairy sheep, sort of like the old association between
cow dairies and veal.) There are a few farms all over the US and
Canada, but obviously, it is an industry yet to reach maturity in
North America.
V.
--
mroo philpott-smythe
> On Wed, 13 Oct 2004 22:22:30 -0400, mroo philpott-smythe wrote
> (in message <416DE2E6...@idiom.com>):
[SelfAndOtherEctomy]
> I recently saw a show about "taboo foods" that included the maggotty cheese
> horror.
Hearing about it was bad enough. I think I'd have to dig out my eyeballs
if I actually *saw* it. And we won't talk about *smelling* it.
>(I have always wondered why my northern Italian grandmother hated
> Sicilians, but maybe that cheese explains it.)
That could go a *long* way towards an explanation.
> I couldn't eat cheese for days
> afterward. The deep-fried scorpions and ant larvae looked positively
> appetizing in comparison.
Er ... the SD eats bugs of various types. In fact, he's proud of the
time he cooked up cicadas in garlic oil for some group of fellow-weirdos.
I guess I don't have to tell you he's not allowed in my kitchen.
sq, "still shuddering"
mroo philpott-smythe
I gotcher coat right here, Maria.
sq
Veronique
> In article <3c499a9e.04101...@posting.google.com>, Veronique says...
> >> >jumping out of it? Eh?
> >>
> >> Oh god no. ISTR it is sheep-milk cheese, and it is absolutely fabulous.
> >
> >As are all sheep-milk cheeses. Romano, roquefort, feta, those Spanish
> >and Greek farm cheeses whose names I can't recall ,
>
> Manchego and Mizithra?
Yessur, that's 'em.
>
> I loves me some Manchego.
I picked up a sheep/goat/cow's milk cheese at TJ's the other day--
could distinctly taste the sheep and goat. Very interesting and quite
good.
V.
--
mroo philpott-smythe
> mroo philpott-smythe <sqa...@idiom.com> wrote in message news:<416E7CC2...@idiom.com>...
>>Veronique wrote:
>>>I am convinced enlarging the sheep dairies in the US could do for the
>>>sheep cheese industry what goats did for chevre. Chevre is ok, but
>>>sheep milk cheeses are, as you say, fabulous.
>>I just read an article about sheep's milk cheeses that described sheep
>>as "shy producers." I'm actually interested in exploring further. I
>>understand that sheep's milk cheeses often have some goat milk added
>>because dairy goats are more robust producers. Do you know if this is true?
> From http://www.attra.org/attra-pub/dairysheep.html
[sheepectomy]
Veronique. I am very serious about exploring the potential for
cheese-making. From dairy sheep, that is. Do you have any interest in
this, or any information, or is your interest just sheepish? %^)
If you want to discuss this further, we can take it to email. Many
thanks for the link.
sq
Veronique
Well, did they? Sure cheaper than the $6k she's asking Livermore for!
V.
--
Mike
Ha! That's a good one. I think the city called it quits at that point
-- I don't think the coat was the only condition.
What's also funny is, the ceramics were installed in a downtown
underpass as part of its construction. Quite foreseeably, the
underpass promptly became the turf of the violent, homeless young
people who populate that area, so no one in his or her right mind
would ever trek down there to see the ceramics anyway. It's the kind
of place where you'd get your throat cut for the change that might be
in your pocket.
J.W.T. Meakin
Mor...@spamcop.net says...
> >
> > A less amusing but more probable reason is that Northern Italy
> > and Sicily were parts of separate (and very different) nations
> > until about 1860. The ingrained dislikes of the people of one
> > region for the people of another can last a good number of
> > generations, cf. Bosnia.
>
> Well, yeah. I was being facetious.
Ok. I probably should have recognized that.
> Yes, northern Italians look down on southern Italians and both groups despise
> Sicilians, although there are exceptions of course. My grandmother used a
> racial slur to describe Sicilians that is normally used against black people.
> Then an Italian exchange student I knew in high school insisted that
> Sicilians were Africans (and she did not mean that in a good way).
That IS interesting. Sicily was Carthaginian once, but do people
really count that far back?
Bill. [Constantine was a Yorkshireman, and don't you forget it].
Morwen
(in message <MPG.1bd9f6655...@news.sf.sbcglobal.net>):
> Yes, northern Italians look down on southern Italians and both groups
> despise
>> Sicilians, although there are exceptions of course. My grandmother used a
>> racial slur to describe Sicilians that is normally used against black
>> people.
>> Then an Italian exchange student I knew in high school insisted that
>> Sicilians were Africans (and she did not mean that in a good way).
>
> That IS interesting. Sicily was Carthaginian once, but do people
> really count that far back?
I don't know if it's that, or just that they hold such racist beliefs about
black people that those are the worst insults they can think of to call the
Sicilians. Maybe it's some of both.
Morwen
mroo philpott-smythe
> mroo philpott-smythe <sqa...@idiom.com> wrote in message news:<416F45DB...@idiom.com>...
>>Veronique wrote:
>>>mroo philpott-smythe <sqa...@idiom.com> wrote in message news:<416E7CC2...@idiom.com>...
>>>>Veronique wrote:
[MajorSheepEctomy]
>>Veronique. I am very serious about exploring the potential for
>>cheese-making. From dairy sheep, that is. Do you have any interest in
>>this, or any information, or is your interest just sheepish? %^)
> The biggest difficulty with sheep cheese making is finding a source
> for your milk. I think cheese-making would be the best part of it,
> actually, as I've never had an interest in running a dairy. My
> interest is sheepish and cheesish.
I believe there's a couple of sheep milk producers in the Santa Cruz
area. We should do it. We could do for sheep's milk cheeses what Laura
Chenel did for chevre.
sq
Karl Grüber
> I am convinced enlarging the sheep dairies in the US could do for the
> sheep cheese industry what goats did for chevre. Chevre is ok, but
> sheep milk cheeses are, as you say, fabulous.
A few years ago I had the opportunity to taste the same cheese made from
three different milks: cow, goat, and sheep. I remember the sheep milk
cheese being the best of the three, although all three were wonderful.
Unfortunately, the cheese is rather hard to come by and I haven't had it
since. If you can get your hands on anything from Sally Jackson, out of
Oroville, Washington, do so.
OK, time for a quick google ...
According to <http://www.heartofwashington.com/commodity/dairy.shtml>,
which doesn't mention the sheep milk cheese, Sally Jackson cheese is
available in Seattle. Google also turned up an article about the very
tasting I attended where I sampled the Sally Jackson cheeses:
<http://www.allaboutbeer.com/food/232-cheeseandbeer.html>
--
karlg (at) crunchyfrog (dot) net
If I want to hear the pitter-patter of little feet around the house,
I'll put shoes on the cats.
mroo philpott-smythe
> Veronique <veroniq...@yahoo.com> wrote ...
>>I am convinced enlarging the sheep dairies in the US could do for the
>>sheep cheese industry what goats did for chevre. Chevre is ok, but
>>sheep milk cheeses are, as you say, fabulous.
> A few years ago I had the opportunity to taste the same cheese made from
> three different milks: cow, goat, and sheep. I remember the sheep milk
> cheese being the best of the three, although all three were wonderful.
> Unfortunately, the cheese is rather hard to come by and I haven't had it
> since. If you can get your hands on anything from Sally Jackson, out of
> Oroville, Washington, do so.
Thanks, dude. <Geez, I hope he's not allergic to the 'd' word>
> OK, time for a quick google ...
> According to <http://www.heartofwashington.com/commodity/dairy.shtml>,
> which doesn't mention the sheep milk cheese, Sally Jackson cheese is
> available in Seattle. Google also turned up an article about the very
> tasting I attended where I sampled the Sally Jackson cheeses:
> <http://www.allaboutbeer.com/food/232-cheeseandbeer.html>
Cool fucking beans, man.
sq
jacqui{JB}
news:0001HW.BD935D69...@news.gmavt.net...
> The deep-fried scorpions and ant larvae looked
> positively appetizing in comparison.
We were strolling around some of the non-tourist areas in Bangkok back
in August and, while I didn't eat any of these snacks, it was
interesting to see the vendors going along with their yoked baskets
filled with deep-fried crispy treats: scorpions, grasshoppers, some
type of caterpillar or larvae and, the one that *really* squicked me,
unhatched chicks (couldn't tell you what kind of bird they were, only
that they hadn't been ready to hatch when they were popped into the
hot oil).
-j
jacqui{JB}
news:svnrm0lcc94193qgc...@4ax.com...
> Incidentally, have also met people who denied
> the existence of both God and Satan. Can you
> give me any logical reason why I should believe
> them either?
Because it makes sense. Occam's razor and all that.
And you're grossly oversimplifying The Stand (and reframing it within
your own personal philosophical paradigm) -- a struggle between good
and evil, certainly, but not an endorsement of Christianity nor a
retelling of the book of Revelations.
-j
Jason G
>
>And you're grossly oversimplifying The Stand (and reframing it within
>your own personal philosophical paradigm) -- a struggle between good
>and evil, certainly, but not an endorsement of Christianity nor a
>retelling of the book of Revelations.
Besides, Jesus isn't a black woman as ISTR the 'good' power was in The Stand.
As the pictorial evidence clearly shows, He is a lean Anglo-Saxon man with long
brown hair and blue eyes.
jacqui{JB}
> Besides, Jesus isn't a black woman as ISTR the
> 'good' power was in The Stand. As the pictorial
> evidence clearly shows, He is a lean Anglo-Saxon
> man with long brown hair and blue eyes.
Just so.
-j
Karl Grüber
> Thanks, dude. <Geez, I hope he's not allergic to the 'd' word>
Nope, no allergy here.
nil...@invalid.com.au
Gee, did you see my post in that context? Wasn't intended
as any more than a battle between good and evil.
Many on this group seem to be unable to understand the
difference from any logical or spiritual point of view. Do
you wish to explore the issue further, especially from a
theistic point of view?
Regards,
"nilkids"
jacqui{JB}
news:cpp3n0d72k57jdelq...@4ax.com...
> Many on this group seem to be unable
> to understand the difference from any
> logical or spiritual point of view. Do
> you wish to explore the issue further,
> especially from a
> theistic point of view?
Not with you. Thanks anyway.
-j