Any negative side-effects from getting a vasectomy?
Preston Crawford
because I was worried about possible complications, etc. But seeing the
way things are headed and how the religious right feels about reproductive
rights, I'd like to take pro-active action while I still can. Is there
anything that happens as a result? Aside from the short term pain, etc.?
Asking because I just don't know. I'll Google, of course, but thought I'd
ask too.
Preston
Jason G
>
>I want to hear honest opinions. I've held off for some time, mostly
>because I was worried about possible complications, etc. But seeing the
>way things are headed and how the religious right feels about reproductive
>rights, I'd like to take pro-active action while I still can. Is there
>anything that happens as a result? Aside from the short term pain, etc.?
If things get too energetic, I sometimes get impact discomfort in some sexual
positions that I didn't before, and have to adjust angles. I sometimes get a
little achy if I have too much, um, throughput in a short time. The achiness
subsides overnight. Don't know if it is vasectomy or age, though the
specificity of the location makes me suspect the vasectomy.
But nothing that would prevent me from doing it again. As I've said before, if
I had to schedule a monthly kick in the balls to stay sterile, I would.
Of course, visit/google alt.support.vasectomy and www.vasectomy-information.com
for more info than you could ever want.
nil...@invalid.com.au
on Wed, 03 Nov 2004 09:50:19 -0600, Preston Crawford wrote:
>I want to hear honest opinions. I've held off for some time, mostly
>because I was worried about possible complications, etc. But seeing the
>way things are headed and how the religious right feels about reproductive
>rights, I'd like to take pro-active action while I still can. Is there
>anything that happens as a result? Aside from the short term pain, etc.?
Had my vasectomy decades ago, and I don't even remember any
appreciable short term pain. Found sex more enjoyable
afterwards as didn't have to worry about having kids.
Regards,
"nilkids"
Mike
a similar message:
Good question, regarding potential complications. I had a vasectomy
in 1990 and have had a painful, but surprisingly common, complication
for the past five years: a hard, swollen, painful epididymis that
sometimes feels like I've been kicked by a mule and other times is
just an annoying discomfort.
My urologist says the only likely cure would be a reversal of the
vasectomy, but I'm not really interested in that idea.
The urologist also has told me that -- based on the patients he's seen
-- painful, long-term complications are more common than the
incidence described in most medical literature, which is usually
listed as 3% to 5%.
This is just something to ask your urologist about before proceeding.
Good
luck!
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
J.D. Spangler
says...
My balls are a bit more sensitive around where the tubing leaves the
testicles, since the doctor did a closed vas and there's a bit of constant
buildup there as a result. However, simply warning a partner against any
squeezing she may have been used to doing with others seems to work just
fine.
There was the occasional twinge or ache for the few few months as my bits and
pieces adapted to the new routine of "produce sperm, reabsorb sperm" instead
of "produce sperm, pump it up the tubes"
Neither of these things comes near to balancing out the peace of mind and
satisfaction I've had from being 100% sure I would never cause a pregnancy.
Especially now that we may be facing serious challenges to reproductive
freedoms over the next few years. They may outlaw abortion again but I'd damn
well like to see them try to reverse my vasectomy!
--
Regards,
J.D. Spangler
http://www.ayrsayle.net
"Ideally someone's religion should have about as much importance
to me as what they had for breakfast. As long as they're not
regurgitating it on me I really shouldn't have to give a damn."
Veronique
> Preston, here's something I posted a couple months ago in response to
> a similar message:
>
> Good question, regarding potential complications. I had a vasectomy
> in 1990 and have had a painful, but surprisingly common, complication
> for the past five years: a hard, swollen, painful epididymis that
> sometimes feels like I've been kicked by a mule and other times is
> just an annoying discomfort.
>
> My urologist says the only likely cure would be a reversal of the
> vasectomy, but I'm not really interested in that idea.
>
> The urologist also has told me that -- based on the patients he's seen
> -- painful, long-term complications are more common than the
> incidence described in most medical literature, which is usually
> listed as 3% to 5%.
Have you seen another urologist for a second opinion?
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
J. Peter Mugaas
I think you should look up information about vasectomies at
http://www.vasectomy-information.com/. There are some potential
complications such as sperm granules but that is statistically rare.
There is some pain and discomfort during the first week and it is a
trauma to the body but this is far outweighed by nightmares with
child-support. Even with the discomfort, I was up at my computer that
very night.
The thing you have to be careful about is that a vasectomy does NOT
provide immediate sterilization because is still residual sperm. You
need two clear sperm samples in a row before you can consider yourself
sterile. It can take a month to up to six months for that to happen
(in practice, it's usually 3 months).
Also, you better be sure that you really do not want kids. If you
have a doubt, do not this. Vasectomy reversals are painful, are not
covered by insurance, cost at least $4,000, and will not work half of
the time. The body can also develop antibodies against sperm and some
men will stop making sperm after about 10 years. In other words, this
is permanent and you are playing for KEEPS.
One thing you should NEVER do is get a vasectomy as a knee-jerk
reaction to something that is temporary such as political situation (I
admit that I hate it) because a vasectomy will last far longer than
that. Would you have considered getting a vasectomy even if Congress
and the U.S. presidency were taken over by liberals or socialists? If
you can say yes to that question, than go ahead. As I say, this
should NEVER be a knee-jerk reaction.
---
I once had an open mind until people used it as a trashcan.
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http://www.wvnet.edu/~oma00215/
Mike
>
> Have you seen another urologist for a second opinion?
>
> V.
Hi, Veronique. Thanks for asking.
The urologist I was thinking of when I wrote that was the second one I
saw. I originally saw a Kaiser urologist who offered the same
diagnosis and the same advice -- live with it or get a reversal.
That wasn't the advice I was hoping for, so I saw a private urologist
and unfortunately got the same diagnosis.
He said the problem likely means that the vas deferens on that side
was cut shorter than the other one, which leaves less room for the
inevitable backup.
I have been taking a twice-daily anti-inflammatory for arthritis,
which has the welcome side effect of relieving some of the pain of the
epididymitis.
My complications aren't typical, but not entirely rare either.
Apparently now they take care to cut the vas deferens a lot higher up.
No kids 4 you
>I think you should look up information about vasectomies at
>http://www.vasectomy-information.com/. There are some potential
>complications such as sperm granules but that is statistically rare.
>There is some pain and discomfort during the first week and it is a
>trauma to the body but this is far outweighed by nightmares with
>child-support. Even with the discomfort, I was up at my computer that
>very night.
I would think nightmares with child-support would be the less painful than the
ear bleeds caused by non stop screaming and whimpering.
Preston Crawford
> One thing you should NEVER do is get a vasectomy as a knee-jerk
> reaction to something that is temporary such as political situation (I
> admit that I hate it) because a vasectomy will last far longer than
> that. Would you have considered getting a vasectomy even if Congress
> and the U.S. presidency were taken over by liberals or socialists? If
> you can say yes to that question, than go ahead. As I say, this
> should NEVER be a knee-jerk reaction.
Of course not. However, even when I was a fence-sitter, I was a
fence-sitter in favor of adoption (i.e. believing that the world had
enough children). So I'm certain I don't want to procreate. And I do
believe that right will be taken away eventually (the right to choose NOT
to procreate without abstinence). So I think it's something one definitely
should think about in a situation like this if they're already so
inclined.
I've always put it off because I was afraid of any side-effects. And my
wife is on the pill and it works for her in terms of hormones, etc. So
there never really has been an impetus to get it done.
Preston
Jason G
>
>He said the problem likely means that the vas deferens on that side
>was cut shorter than the other one, which leaves less room for the
>inevitable backup.
>
Have you explored getting the epi end of the vas opened? That way the sperm
drain into the scrotum and have a larger reabsorption area. AFAIK there are no
fertility increases assuming the exit end is sutured and cauterized.
Jason G
says...
>
>On 3 Nov 2004 11:20:42 -0800, Jason G wrote:
>>I sometimes get a
>>little achy if I have too much, um, throughput in a short time. The achiness
>>subsides overnight. Don't know if it is vasectomy or age, though the
>>specificity of the location makes me suspect the vasectomy.
>
>the big V yet.
Right on the front-facing end of the testicle, where the vas comes out from the
epi?
Veronique
So how old is your vas? I've had personal acquaintence with ones aged
6 weeks to 25 years with no second-hand stories, but of course the
owners in question wouldn't necessarily be spilling their, uh,
residual issues.
Rorqhual
news:slrncohv...@serpentor.cobrala...
mate of mine did that and got a variety of answers along the lines of
'Didn't feel a thing', 'Up and around fine the next day', 'fucked like
rabbits the first night' and so on.
So when he had his snip, and felt every move of the surgeons sadistic knife,
and then discovered his balls turned purple and swelled to an uncomfortable
level a short time later, he had extreme pain for a while and had to wear a
jock strap (athletic support) for days, he thought something had gone
terribly wrong.
When he mentioned all this to a mate who had reassured him that a snip was a
breeze, the guy said 'Yeah. Same thing happened to me'
R
J.W.T. Meakin
says...
> >
> Well, first off, don't ask advice from men who've already had the snip. A
> mate of mine did that and got a variety of answers along the lines of
> 'Didn't feel a thing', 'Up and around fine the next day', 'fucked like
> rabbits the first night' and so on.
>
> So when he had his snip, and felt every move of the surgeons sadistic knife,
> and then discovered his balls turned purple and swelled to an uncomfortable
> level a short time later, he had extreme pain for a while and had to wear a
> jock strap (athletic support) for days, he thought something had gone
> terribly wrong.
Known in the trade as "there may be some bruising", IIRC.
> When he mentioned all this to a mate who had reassured him that a snip was a
> breeze, the guy said 'Yeah. Same thing happened to me'
Keep a stiff upper something.
Bill.
Mike
Thanks, Jason. It was nice to get back from a weekend and find a
possibly helpful message.
Neither urologist I saw mentioned the possibility you describe, but it
makes sense. I'm going in for a full physical next weekend with my
regular doc and I'll ask him for a referral to check into that (Kaiser
protocol, y'know).
Thanks again!
Mike
not next weekend. Not that it matters, I suppose, but short of an
accidental amputation, there's no way to see a Kaiser doc on a
weekend!
doorsill
You are full of bullshit. 99% of the time there are few side effects.
Tim J. Johson
> because I was worried about possible complications, etc. But seeing the
> way things are headed and how the religious right feels about reproductive
> rights, I'd like to take pro-active action while I still can. Is there
> anything that happens as a result? Aside from the short term pain, etc.?
My brother had it done in 1998. Had a number of problems. The biggest
one being pain that "goes on and on and on."
He got a great deal of support from a website at the time that
contends that complication rates are much higher than some report,
simply because men tend not to whine:
Jason G
says...
>
>He got a great deal of support from a website at the time that
>contends that complication rates are much higher than some report,
>simply because men tend not to whine:
>
>http://dontfixit.org/
Note that this is a for-profit bookshilling site run by an anti-BC nut. It is
notorious over in a.s.vasectomy
Rorqhual
news:QVHjd.126460$df2.64410@edtnps89...
doursal
Only "girly men" whine about vasectomy after effects.
doursal
Figures that you would have picked some loser like that.
Tim J. Johson
>
> Note that this is a for-profit bookshilling site run by an anti-BC nut. It is
> notorious over in a.s.vasectomy
It may well be. I actually haven't looked through the site for a
number of years, ever since my brother had his "problems." I did
notice his book when I checked the link prior to posting here.
I was considering a vasectomy and read through the "don't fix it"
site. At that time, he was not selling a book, he just had a great
deal of information on the procedure and complications. Some of the
information seemed pretty right on. some seemed a little out there,
but a lot of it was contributed by others.
At any rate, it seems to me that his book grew out of several years of
frustration about what he sees as a major problem -- lack of
information about potential complications. Can't blame him for having
it grow into a book. As I recall, he spent considerable time
researching the issue.
As with anything, on the web or not, check out multiple reliable
sources before making any decisions.
doursal
I suspect that many of the liberal biatches who read this ng are involved
with girly men would would much rather their women take responsiblity for
birth control.
Rorqhual
news:7xSjd.132166$df2.5626@edtnps89...
experienced side effects he wasn't expecting?
In fact, I *know* I'll regret this. Any minute now old Sharx will come in
with a carefully considered and witty rejoinder along the lines of 'Fuck you
LIEBrawl Biatch', probably accompanied by an improbable number of
exclamation marks.
Sometimes I ponder on whether the late stage abortion time limit could be
raised to around the mid fifties.
R
Rorqhual
in anything outside of a gun or a baseball match, or admit that there are
occasions when they cry, or miss their wives when they are apart. REAL
MEN(tm) would no doubt be far too busy organising pole dance parties to be
concerned about separation. REAL MEN(tm) would realise that the finer
emotions are things to be feared and despised, and would just go out and
shoot something to confirm their testosterone levels.
Shit, why do I let myself in for this stuff? I know Sharx equates
sensitivity with homosexuality. Why the FUCK do I bother?
R <--- cissy girly man and proud of it
nil...@invalid.com.au
Hell, how should we know? Perhaps you are a masochist or a
human being or something? :-)
Why else would you bother to communicate with someone like
Sharx?
Have you started your diary yet? When you manage to get to
Australia, how long do we have to wait for a confirmation of
your arrival?
Am sure you that you will be very relieved when you even
start the trip. You haven't said who you are flying with.
If Qantas, I hope you will ask for a can of XXXX or Fosters
as soon as possible. [Probably needless to say, I did]
For current weather forecast, see:
>http://www.wunderground.com/global/stations/94767.html<
Regards,
"nilkids"
>
Mike
You don't hear Ann Coulter whining about *her* vasectomy!
doursal
Because liberal women often pick "men" who are really overcome babies..all
the better to control them.
doursal
Ahnold will deal with your ilk once he gets the Constitution amended and
becomes President.
doursal
||| Only "girly men" whine about vasectomy after effects.
||
|| You don't hear Ann Coulter whining about *her* vasectomy!
I rest my case.
Jeri Jo Thomas
important missive...
Q:Ahnold will deal with your ilk once he gets the Constitution amended and
Q:becomes President.
Q:
Q:
Yeah, he'll change his name to Adolph Hitler and the Fourth Reich will
commence.
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trifold
LOL. This is good advice. But the stories posted at
www.vasectomy-information.com cover the range pretty nicely. The
colorful bruising and need for jockstrap are pretty common. Feeling
"every move of the surgeon's knife" much less so!
trifold
Sorry to say it, but this website is highly suspect. Run by a guy to
sell his book. And very short on advice about remedies.
www.vasectomy-information.com includes links to serious medical
research, including information on treatments for the rare cases of
persistent pain. There are even stories there from men who have come
out the other side.
trifold
Ummmm....I'd say the sissies are the ones who whine then don't do
anything about it. Fact is, problems can happen. But they can be
treated. Sharing information about treatment is no less manly than
sharing tips on how not to tear a tendon while running; or how best to
bind up a "flesh wound" (why, even Schwarzenegger would do this!).
trifold
trifold
Giraud and others have treated post vasectomy pain this way. You can
see their stories at www.vasectomy-information.com. There are also
links to medical articles describing the open ended procedure.
trifold
Zaragon
> The thing you have to be careful about is that a vasectomy does NOT
> provide immediate sterilization because is still residual sperm. You
> need two clear sperm samples in a row before you can consider yourself
> sterile. It can take a month to up to six months for that to happen
> (in practice, it's usually 3 months).
Hmm, could that be the reason why several men I knew of in the past
had vasectomy misfires? They went about thinking they were sterile
when, in fact, sperm hadn't entirely cleared their system yet? I
always assumed they just went to irresponsible doctors or clinics that
didn't suggest for them to submit any post-samples, and that the
operation had failed.
Ironically, my first girlfriend was the product of a post-V misfire.
TS
Zaragon
> > I want to hear honest opinions. I've held off for some time, mostly
> > because I was worried about possible complications, etc. But seeing the
> > way things are headed and how the religious right feels about reproductive
> > rights, I'd like to take pro-active action while I still can. Is there
> > anything that happens as a result? Aside from the short term pain, etc.?
>
>
> My brother had it done in 1998. Had a number of problems. The biggest
> one being pain that "goes on and on and on."
I had mine in 1998 too, and haven't experienced any side effects
(aside from my new-found comfort and pride in knowing I'll never knock
a woman up.) The disparity between accounts of post-op conditions is
disturbing, though. I really do wish that there could be a uniform set
of answers for all inquiring men, but it appears as though there
isn't.
TS
Preston Crawford
Same here. Same here.
Preston
Jason G
>
>Same here. Same here.
>
Risk v. benefit ratio, dude. Low risk, high benefit, remediation options exist
for complications.
Mike
>
> Giraud and others have treated post vasectomy pain this way. You can
> see their stories at www.vasectomy-information.com. There are also
> links to medical articles describing the open ended procedure.
>
> trifold
Thanks for the URL. I'll be seeing my doctor shortly and will
hopefully be on the road to getting rid of the pain.
Like a lot of guys -- whoops, make that girly-men -- I've tended to
see doctors only when I've got a bleeding stump or a hunting arrow
embedded in my head. So when I was told by two different docs to live
with the pain, I let the matter drop. But hey, it's pretty easy for
docs to tell someone else to live with their pain, huh? After all,
they've got cabinets full of painkillers for themselves!
Anyway, thanks again. That website is pretty informative.
No kids 4 you
>After all,
>they've got cabinets full of painkillers for themselves!
>
Mmmmm, free samples.
Veronique
> ...a hunting arrow
> embedded in my head...
Mike, ya gotta stop wearing that white-tail prothesis.
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Mike
> dragging...@hotmail.com (Mike) wrote:
>
> > ...a hunting arrow
> > embedded in my head...
>
> Mike, ya gotta stop wearing that white-tail prothesis.
>
> V.
As a girly-man, I love wearing poofy things too much to give them up.