! Re: Andrea Yates found Not Guilty of drowning her five children
IamIaam Knowledge
suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
love, time, and energy she spent raising them.
She absolutely had to have lost it for some reason to destroy her
entire legacy.
She will always have to live with that. So putting her in an insane
asylum is fine I guess.
I don't think she would last long on the streets without any medical,
or psychological help. She would probably commit suicide within six
months.
She looks like such a nice woman. those are the kinds of bizarre, evil
things that people do when they have their minds mis-programmed.
That's why I constantly try to educate Whites on White supremacy
matters. 90% of white America is totally brain damaged, and all of
this slaughtering of innocent babies, children, pregnant women, and
other civilians is a result of the thinking that comes about when
people are insane with ethnic hatred.
Satan is gleefully waiting on the arrival of these hate-monges and
other psychologically corrupt Caucasians.
On Wed, 26 Jul 2006 17:38:34 +0000, no justice <n...@justice.tx> wrote:
>Yates not guilty by reason of insanity
>Jury reached verdict after three days
>
>Wednesday, July 26, 2006
>
>HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- After three days of deliberation, jurors found
>that Andrea Yates was legally insane when she drowned her young
>children in a bathtub.
>
>The jury spent 11 hours Monday and Tuesday trying to determine if
>Yates was legally insane. Wednesday morning, they reviewed the state's
>definition of insanity and then asked to see a family photo and candid
>pictures of the five smiling youngsters.
>
>After about an hour of deliberations, they said they had reached a
>verdict.
>
>In Yates' first murder trial, in 2002, the jury deliberated about four
>hours before finding her guilty. That conviction was overturned on
>appeal.
>
>In both trials, Yates, 42, pleaded innocent by reason of insanity.
>Under Texas law, a person can be found insane if, because of a severe
>mental illness, he or she does not know the crime is wrong.
>
>The jury earlier asked to review the videotape of Yates' July 2001
>evaluation by Dr. Phillip Resnick, a forensic psychiatrist who
>testified for the defense that she did not know killing the children
>was wrong because she was trying to save them from hell.
>
>Resnick told jurors that Yates was in a delusional state and believed
>6-month-old Mary, 2-year-old Luke, 3-year-old Paul, 5-year-old John
>and 7-year-old Noah would grow up to be criminals because she had
>ruined them.
>
>Jurors later asked to review Yates' November 2001 videotaped
>evaluation by Dr. Park Dietz, the state's expert witness whose
>testimony led an appeals court to overturn Yates' 2002 capital murder
>conviction last year.
>
>Dietz, a forensic psychiatrist, testified in her first trial that an
>episode of the television series "Law & Order" depicted a woman who
>was acquitted by reason of insanity after drowning her children. But
>no such episode existed. State District Judge Belinda Hill barred
>attorneys in this trial from mentioning that issue.
>
>On Tuesday, after jurors asked for the trial transcript involving
>defense attorney George Parnham's questioning of Dietz about the
>definition of obsessions, the judge brought the jury back into the
>courtroom.
>
>The court reporter then read the brief transcript, in which Dietz said
>Yates "believed that Satan was at least present. She felt or sensed
>the presence." Dietz had testified that Yates' thoughts about harming
>her children were an obsession and a symptom of severe depression --
>not psychosis.
>
>Earlier Tuesday, jurors reviewed the slide presentation of the state's
>key expert witness, Dr. Michael Welner, a forensic psychiatrist who
>evaluated Yates in May. He testified that she did not kill her
>children to save them from hell as she claims, but because she was
>overwhelmed and felt inadequate as a mother.
>
>Yates will be committed to a state mental hospital, with periodic
>hearings before a judge to determine whether she should be released --
>although by law, jurors are not allowed to be told that.
>
>Prosecutors could not seek death this time because the first trial's
>jurors sentenced her to life in prison, and authorities found no new
>evidence. She is charged in only three of the deaths, which is common
>in cases involving multiple slayings.
R. Steve Walz
>
> Yates not guilty by reason of insanity
> Jury reached verdict after three days
>
> Wednesday, July 26, 2006
> hearings before a judge to determine whether she should be released --
> although by law, jurors are not allowed to be told that.
They can know it now. It's just that they WERE not allowed to be
told that as issue in their deliberations.
This is because they were not seated for a penalty phase, only to
decide guilt.
> Prosecutors could not seek death this time because the first trial's
> jurors sentenced her to life in prison, and authorities found no new
> evidence. She is charged in only three of the deaths, which is common
> in cases involving multiple slayings.
-----------------
She WAS charged, she is NOW found not guilty by reason of insanity
and is subject to court mandate for her condition. That IS justice.
She was and is crazy. She believes religious bullshit and is insane.
So are you if you think there was no justice here.
Steve
bessie
no justice wrote:
> Yates not guilty by reason of insanity
> Jury reached verdict after three days
>
> Wednesday, July 26, 2006
>
needs to be put down like the effing animal she is
lkfraley
for certain. So how can they find her not guilty? Crazy or not, she
killed her babies. She didn't have any right to do that to them. She
needs to be put away somewhere. If she ever had another child, she
would only do the same thing to them. I don't feel sorry for her.
Everyone has some kind of problems, but we don't kill our children
because our lives get us down. Give me a break. I don't care what they
do to her. They should just cut her hands off I guess, to keep her from
hurting more people. But I guess it's only the children she wants to
hurt. Good luck to everyone who comes in contact with her.
Sorry I have no sympathy for her. Why should I?
My first child died at 32 weeks gestation and I was horribly
devastated. I wanted him so much. I could never understand how someone
could take a child's life on purpose.
Oh well, it's not for me to figure out, that's up to God.
I don't think you should kill anyone, especially not children. Precious
little angels.
127.0.0.1 wrote:
> IamIaam Knowledge wrote:
>
> > That's an incredibly sad story. When I think of all the pain and
> > suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
> > love, time, and energy she spent raising them.
> >
>
> How in the hell can anyone feel sorry for that evil bitch?!! Someone needs
> to do to her, what she did to those children.
>
> Same with that Susan Smith whore, strap that bitch in the back seat of a car
> and push it in a lake.
>
> I can't believe we have sick bastards like you in the world who make excuses
> for these baby killers.
lkfraley
"That's an incredibly sad story. When I think of all the pain and
suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
love, time, and energy she spent raising them."
Hey, I have given birth to five children so far, and I thought the pain
and suffering as you call it was well worth it.
I have no doubt something made her snap, but she is still guilty, she
cannot change that fact. Crazy woman- I think she is a nut.
mill...@intergate.com
Gawd loves us all. Thats why he killed your kid, to spare us the
trouble. Andrea is now childfree and forgiven by me for her sins.
dragonlady
"lkfraley" <lkfr...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "That's an incredibly sad story. When I think of all the pain and
> suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
> love, time, and energy she spent raising them."
>
> Hey, I have given birth to five children so far, and I thought the pain
> and suffering as you call it was well worth it.
> I have no doubt something made her snap, but she is still guilty, she
> cannot change that fact. Crazy woman- I think she is a nut.
>
And the courts have confirmed that. The jury agreed that she was
legally insane at the time.
I'd prefer it if they could make the verdict "guilty but legally insane"
instead of "not guilty by reason of insanity" -- but that isn't an
option available to the jury.
--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care
jjj_...@hotmail.com
bessie wrote:
> What a crock of shit, this bitch knew what she was doing was wrong, she
> needs to be put down like the effing animal she is
bessie
Aint that the truth?
weather...@yahoo.com
Stop cutting on Andrea! I've heard she already has a post-prison job
lined up as a children's swim instructor at the local YMCA.
LaTreen Washington
"no justice" <n...@justice.tx> wrote in message
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bessie
LOL! Spew of soda on monitor!
jjj_...@hotmail.com
LaTreen Washington wrote:
> GOOD! I hope she opens a daycare center.
>
KNOW when a thread is crossposted there.
Bo Raxo
Must...resist....urge....to....create....Andrea's....profile....on....match.com
Oh, the temptation:
"Just got out of a long term relationship. Enjoy long baths, home
schooling, and living in buses. No kids, no baggage! Looking for a
Christian man to start, and finish, a family with."
mc
Fer sure.
mc
Kris Baker
"mc" <mcsqu...@netzero.net> wrote in message
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But this one started there.
Kris
Hunter
lkfraley wrote:
> I can't believe they didn't find her guilty. She did it right? That is
> for certain. So how can they find her not guilty? Crazy or not, she
> killed her babies. She didn't have any right to do that to them. She
> needs to be put away somewhere. If she ever had another child, she
> would only do the same thing to them. I don't feel sorry for her.
> Everyone has some kind of problems, but we don't kill our children
> because our lives get us down. Give me a break. I don't care what they
> do to her. They should just cut her hands off I guess, to keep her from
> hurting more people. But I guess it's only the children she wants to
> hurt. Good luck to everyone who comes in contact with her.
> Sorry I have no sympathy for her. Why should I?
> My first child died at 32 weeks gestation and I was horribly
> devastated. I wanted him so much. I could never understand how someone
> could take a child's life on purpose.
> Oh well, it's not for me to figure out, that's up to God.
> I don't think you should kill anyone, especially not children. Precious
> little angels.
Guilt is about responsibility and not just about if a deed is done or
not. Andrea Yates was insane at the time of the act with a clear
history of mental illness proceeding the killings. If you are not in
your right mind and can distinguish between right and wrong or more
precisely in this case think you are sending your babies to heaven so
they wouldn't grow up sinful, you are not responsible for your actions.
Responsibility depends on the ability to understand. It is the reason
we treat children differently than adults even if they commit similar
crimes, or animals who attack humans. We may kill them because they
have tasted human blood and are uncontrollable, but we are not
punishing them.
I too feel for the kids, but they were victims of postpartum psychosis
and other mental illnesses like perhaps schizophrenia that ran in
Andrea's family and Andrea being in the thrall of a cultish clergyman
Michael Peter Woroniecki.
By way of comparison Susan Smith was totally sane and clear headed when
she drowned her kids so that she could win the affection of a would be
boyfriend. Who indicated that he did not want to be saddled with
another man's kid. He was NOT involved in ANYWAY in those killings I
stress. What Susan Smith did was evil, what Andrea Yates did was the
result of sickness.
---->Hunter
Ilene Bilenky
mill...@intergate.com wrote:
> Andrea is now childfree
ahem. She is not childfree. She had children. She is childLESS.
Childfree is choosing life without children, period. It is not having
them and murdering them, or having them leave home, or giving them up
for adoption.
Childfree - never had 'em, never gonna, by choice.
Ilene B
Kathy
What "sane" person would sit down and call the police after murdering 5
children?
Kathy
Kathy
And you can find humor in this tragedy? Good for you.
Kathy
Bo Raxo
Someone who was doing a slow version of suicide by cop. Andrea said
she expected the state to execute her for her crime.
Suicide is a typical end for a family annihilator. Andrea instead made
a suicide gesture, in my opinion, by calling 911. Like any suicide
gesture, it puts the possibility of death on the table, but in a manner
remote enough to suit the one doing it.
A common suicide pattern for women, Andrea truly found a novel way of
performing her suicide gesture. And it all worked out relatively well
for her: she didn't want to stay in that house, cooped up with those
kids, and knew she needed treatment for her mental illness, as an
inpatient. Voila, that's what she got, the whole plan worked.
Crazy? Like a fox.
Bo Raxo
Hunter
127.0.0.1 wrote:
> kill people at random, yes? No sane person would do that, right?
----
First you have a cartoon image of mental illness. It is not always
about running around drooling a jabbering to one's self. Most aren't
that way. It is a warped view of the world, your own reality. A
mentally ill person could be at first blush appear rational until you
start taking to them at length. Mental illness could and often is very
subtle. What Andrea Yates did was under the influence of bad chemical
imbalances in the brain supplemented by her religious beliefs worrying
about her children growing up in sin.
Sane people kill all the time. For relief of stress, for personal gain.
Susan Smith had no history of mental illness, and did not have a mental
illness at the time of her killing her children. Also. Andrea Yates,
who had a clear documented case history of mental illness made no
effort to conceal the crime. Indeed, she called 911 as soon as she laid
out her kids bodies on the bed. She thought, through her warped reality
she was saving her children. In contrast Susan Smith concocted a
phantom black kidnapper to curry sympathy and to cover up her murder of
her children for the personal gain of winning a would be boyfriend.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates
>
> How many serial killers have we executed? Serial killers are nut-cakes like
> Yates, both are mental and both should be KILLED!
----
No. Serial killers, most of them, are not mentally ill. Quite the
opposite, they are very rational. They made have suffered some child
hood trauma that put them on that path and is suffering from unresolved
rage but otherwise they know right from wrong.
>
> What's wrong with putting serial killers to death and not Yates? Both are
> mental.
----
Yates has a treatable disease that was and is responding to
psyhcothropic drugs. Drugs she did not get before the killing for a
mental disease she was known to have. Indeed, the clinic treating her
turned her away. The fundamentalist church she belonged to may have
discoraged her from seeking treatment relying on the Lord to help her
instead. On the other hand Ted Bundy didn't have a detectable mental
illness. He calculatingly tried to sloth off responsibility to the porn
he read. John Wayne Gacy didn't have a mental illness. Aileen Wuornos
didn't. Neither did Jeffrey Dahmer. Many serial killers did suffer some
trauma as children including physical and sexual abuse that lead to
their compulsions but they weren't mentally ill or legally insane at
the time(s) of they committing murder. Most of them also have had a
previous criminal history. Andrea Yates did not to the best of my
knowledge.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos
This is the trouble many people have with mental illness. Monstrous
acts can be and are committed by sane people, Susan Smith for one. But
also a physical mental illness brought on by actual chemical imbalances
in the brain can cause people to commit monstrous acts. People can't
see mental illness but it is as real as a broken arm.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_psychosis#Post-partum_psychosis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia
---->Hunter
Kent
"Kathy" <kb...@verizon.net> wrote
> What "sane" person would sit down and call the police after murdering 5
> children?
>
> Kathy
What "sane" person would have 5 children in the first place???
Kent
Hunter
127.0.0.1 wrote:
> anyone.
>
> > Sane people kill all the time. For relief of stress, for personal gain.
> > Susan Smith had no history of mental illness, and did not have a mental
> > illness at the time of her killing her children. Also. Andrea Yates,
> > who had a clear documented case history of mental illness made no
> > effort to conceal the crime. Indeed, she called 911 as soon as she laid
> > out her kids bodies on the bed. She thought, through her warped reality
> > she was saving her children.
>
> tired of babysitting?
>
>
>
> > In contrast Susan Smith concocted a
> > phantom black kidnapper to curry sympathy and to cover up her murder of
> > her children for the personal gain of winning a would be boyfriend.
>
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrea_Yates
> >>
> >> How many serial killers have we executed? Serial killers are nut-cakes
> >> like Yates, both are mental and both should be KILLED!
> > ----
> > No. Serial killers, most of them, are not mentally ill. Quite the
> > opposite, they are very rational.
>
> KILLING PEOPLE. Uhhhh, that's not NORMAL BEHAVIOR.
>
>
>
> > They made have suffered some child
> > hood trauma that put them on that path and is suffering from unresolved
> > rage but otherwise they know right from wrong.
>
> mental.
>
> >> What's wrong with putting serial killers to death and not Yates? Both are
> >> mental.
> > ----
> > Yates has a treatable disease that was and is responding to
> > psyhcothropic drugs. Drugs she did not get before the killing for a
> > mental disease she was known to have.
>
>
>
> > Indeed, the clinic treating her
> > turned her away. The fundamentalist church she belonged to may have
> > discoraged her from seeking treatment relying on the Lord to help her
> > instead. On the other hand Ted Bundy didn't have a detectable mental
> > illness.
>
> PEOPLE.
>
>
> > He calculatingly tried to sloth off responsibility to the porn
> > he read. John Wayne Gacy didn't have a mental illness. Aileen Wuornos
> > didn't. Neither did Jeffrey Dahmer. Many serial killers did suffer some
> > trauma as children including physical and sexual abuse that lead to
> > their compulsions but they weren't mentally ill or legally insane at
> > the time(s) of they committing murder. Most of them also have had a
> > previous criminal history. Andrea Yates did not to the best of my
> > knowledge.
>
>
> killed others because they got pleasure in murdering other people. Only a
> nut-job gets pleasure out of hurting or murdering people.
> Care to deny that the Marquis De Sade was mental, even though some have
> called him a brilliant writer? I read - 120 Days Of Sodom and had bad
> dreams from reading that crap. None of that was true, right? Still dunno if
> that was fact or fiction - Fiction I think, I really don't think humans
> could do that evil stuff to another human. Is fiction, yes?
>
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Wayne_Gacy
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jeffrey_Dahmer
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ted_Bundy
> >
> > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aileen_Wuornos
> >
> > This is the trouble many people have with mental illness. Monstrous
> > acts can be and are committed by sane people, Susan Smith for one. But
> > also a physical mental illness brought on by actual chemical imbalances
> > in the brain can cause people to commit monstrous acts. People can't
> > see mental illness but it is as real as a broken arm.
>
> children in the back seats of cars and push the car in a lake. Many people
> at my school have ADD and we don't kill people.
-----
There are different disease of the brain and mind just like there are
different disease of the body.
Having a skin rash is not like haveing skin cancer. Comparing
Attention-Deficit Hyperactivity Disorder (ADHD or AADHD if you are an
Adult) and Postpartum psychosis would be like comparing a head cold
with Lime disease. People afflicted with ADD don't have psychological
breaks from reality.
However, someone who doesn't know and understand your condition could
interpret your possible forgetfulness, poor impulse control and mood
shifts as willful, inconsiderate, irresponsible and childish behavior.
Indeed, before it was diagnosed many people afflicted with ADHD where
treated quite harshly by disciplinarians thinking they were dealing
with recalcitrant children or selfish adults, just like people with
Dyslexia where treated as stupid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Attention-deficit_hyperactivity_disorder
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Postpartum_psychosis#Post-partum_psychosis
Unless she is on the proper medication, it is not something she can
help. Indeed, it was her not being able to get the drugs and trusting
that God would see her through is what caused the tragedy. What would
happen if you don't take your meds? You may not go out and kill
someone, but your illness would manifest itself wouldn't it?
Unfortunately Post-partum psychosis manifest itself in the form of
delusions, which were deadly to her children.
---->Hunter
R. Steve Walz
>
> IamIaam Knowledge wrote:
>
> > That's an incredibly sad story. When I think of all the pain and
> > suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
> > love, time, and energy she spent raising them.
> >
>
> to do to her, what she did to those children.
You're immature and stalled at a low level of developmental damage.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> I can't believe they didn't find her guilty. She did it right? That is
> for certain. So how can they find her not guilty? Crazy or not, she
> killed her babies. She didn't have any right to do that to them.
You're confused about the law. We don't punish people who didn't know
what they were doing, who were actually delusional. The law requires
that they FORM INTENT to do the evil perpetrated. That means they have
to know the consequences and intend to do what they did. They did NOT
form intent if they were deluded by some process not in their control.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> Your logic if flawed moron! You would have to be mental to go around and
> kill people at random, yes? No sane person would do that, right?
> Yates, both are mental and both should be KILLED!
>
> mental.
If they did not plead insanity and were convicted, then there is
no evidence of insanity. But you're right, they are insane and
should be crippled surgically and then gently enslaved for a
lifetime of simple work and supervision with proper recreation.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> I have ADD and I don't kill people, I don't drown children, I don't strap
> children in the back seats of cars and push the car in a lake. Many people
> at my school have ADD and we don't kill people.
Kids with ADD don't have delusions.
Steve
Peter Bruells
>
> Your logic if flawed moron! You would have to be mental to go around
> and kill people at random, yes?
Err, no. Happens all the time and is very often called "war".
> No sane person would do that, right? How many serial killers have
> we executed? Serial killers are nut-cakes like Yates, both are
> mental and both should be KILLED!
> What's wrong with putting serial killers to death and not Yates?
> Both are mental.
The distinguishing difference between these cases is that most serial
killers at the time of their murders know exactly that they do commit
crimes and that what they do is wrong and not accepted by
society. They usually simply do not care and think they can get away
with it.
bessie
It's laugh or cry
Why are you so damn touchy about this?
Leave me alone if you dont like my outlook
Marlene Blanshay
they know it's wrong to kill but can't stop themselves.
Last night I watched "crime stories" and it was about a guy named
Russell Maurice Johnson who murdered seven women in southern ontario in
the late 1970s. He was going to be tried for three of the murders, but
then authories agreed to proscecute him only for those three if he
confessed to other crimes he'd hinted at. So he did. Apparently he had
psychotic episodes where he would be unable to control himself and would
get the urge to kill, and his trademark was that he left the crime
scenes neat and tidy- even doing dishes, because he was worried his
victims (dead) would be 'angry at him'. He was found not guilty by
reason of insanity but was given an indefinite sentence at a mental
institution. He's still there apparently. I never even heard of this
story but it was an interesting one.Apparently he told police he was
glad they caught him because he knew he'd never be able to stop killing.
KenLac
> Yates not guilty by reason of insanity
> Jury reached verdict after three days
>
> Wednesday, July 26, 2006
>
> HOUSTON, Texas (AP) -- After three days of deliberation, jurors found
> that Andrea Yates was legally insane when she drowned her young
> children in a bathtub.
No word yet on whether she was legally insane when she *had* five kids...
KenLac
> That's an incredibly sad story. (etc.)
Any chance all of you could stop crossposting this nut-bagginess to
"alt.support.childfree"?
R. Steve Walz
>
> R. Steve Walz wrote:
>
> > She WAS charged, she is NOW found not guilty by reason of insanity
> > and is subject to court mandate for her condition. That IS justice.
> >
> > She was and is crazy. She believes religious bullshit and is insane.
> > So are you if you think there was no justice here.
> > Steve
>
> Someone needs to drown Andrea Yates in the same mannor she drown her
> children.
---------------------
Better yet, drown your sorry ass and we won't have to bother.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> "R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com> wrote:
>
> >She was and is crazy. She believes religious bullshit and is insane.
> >So are you if you think there was no justice here.
> >Steve
>
>
> I was raised Christian. So if I ever commit a crime I'll be sure to
> tell the judge I was insane because I was under the influence of
> religion. rotfl
------------------------
Nawh, we'll just shoot you.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> no justice wrote:
> > Yates not guilty by reason of insanity
> > Jury reached verdict after three days
> >
> > Wednesday, July 26, 2006
> >
> needs to be put down like the effing animal she is
Ah, a sockpuppet for 127....
Steve
mill...@intergate.com
I don't care, I'd still "hit it."
Kitty
"R. Steve Walz" <rst...@armory.com> wrote in message
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well call me "wooly" but I TOO think she is a sociopath --she KNEW she was
doing wrong. If there is a hell......she should burn for eternity. Her ex
hubby is nutty---he thinks its "grand" she got off! SHE MURDERED HIS BABIES
IN COLD BLOOD! Is it me or has USA jurors gone soft & loopy?????
Kitty
fatt...@yahoo.com
127.0.0.1 wrote:
> IamIaam Knowledge wrote:
>
> > suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
> > love, time, and energy she spent raising them.
> >
>
> How in the hell can anyone feel sorry for that evil bitch?!! Someone needs
> to do to her, what she did to those children.
>
> and push it in a lake.
>
> I can't believe we have sick bastards like you in the world who make excuses
> for these baby killers.
Yates had been under the care of her own psychiatrists before the
murders, and none of them thought she was a potential murderer. The
insanity defense popped up AFTER the fact. It was an excuse. Who
knows . . . . maybe Yates became insane AFTER she killed her kids.
She knowingly and with pre meditation killed her children one by one.
I understand the oldest and last one put up a strong fight.
Yates did it deliberately when she knew she would be alone with the
children . If she was so insane that she did not know right from
wrong, why did she wait until her husband left for work? Why did she
call 911 right away?
IMHO the insanity defense was bullshit . . . . .
Yates may have had mental problems, but she was not insane when she
killed her children.
I bet if she were a black man in the state of Texas who killed 5 white
kids and then pled "insanity" he would have been given the death
penalty so fast, he wouldn't have known what hit him.
R. Steve Walz
You obviously understand nothing of psychiatry, and you think too
emotionally and superficially to ever grasp it. There is no hell,
and she didn't murder anyone, in her delusional state she believed
she was saving their immortal souls from Satan. Psychotics classically
take on the mental errors of religious Fundamentalists. It is the
most available magical delusion to draw from.
By sociopath you actually mean a psychopath, one who has no conscience,
but that is NOT what a psychotic is. A psychotic is deluded about
current circumstances, and in desperately trying to do right in their
delusion may do wrong.
Steve
R. Steve Walz
>
> 127.0.0.1 wrote:
> > IamIaam Knowledge wrote:
> >
> > > That's an incredibly sad story. When I think of all the pain and
> > > suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
> > > love, time, and energy she spent raising them.
> > >
> >
> > How in the hell can anyone feel sorry for that evil bitch?!! Someone needs
> > to do to her, what she did to those children.
> >
> > Same with that Susan Smith whore, strap that bitch in the back seat of a car
> > and push it in a lake.
> >
> > I can't believe we have sick bastards like you in the world who make excuses
> > for these baby killers.
>
> Yates had been under the care of her own psychiatrists before the
> murders, and none of them thought she was a potential murderer. The
> insanity defense popped up AFTER the fact. It was an excuse. Who
> knows . . . . maybe Yates became insane AFTER she killed her kids.
>
> She knowingly and with pre meditation killed her children one by one.
> I understand the oldest and last one put up a strong fight.
>
> Yates did it deliberately when she knew she would be alone with the
> children . If she was so insane that she did not know right from
> wrong, why did she wait until her husband left for work? Why did she
> call 911 right away?
It was part of the delusion, planning is not absent from psychotic
acts, just normal reason is.
> IMHO the insanity defense was bullshit . . . . .
>
> Yates may have had mental problems, but she was not insane when she
> killed her children.
----------------
Your problem is that you hold an opinion without having read enough
evidence to know better. You're believing what suits your fancy.
Steve
fatt...@yahoo.com
Perhaps you are correct, but let me ask you this . . . . does it seem
logical to you that she should "get away with it"? That is what is
happening. She will be "sentenced" to a medical facility, and get
better housing, food and medical care than many poor people in this
country, and could be out in a few months should some "doctor"
determine she is now fine. Then Andrea would be free to have 5 more
babies to kill.
As I said before, Yates was under the care of at least one shrink
BEFORE she killed her children . . . . if she was so psychotic, why did
he release her? Why wasn't she insitutionalized then?
Everything I've read suggests she thought of killing her kids before.
One article said she filled the bath tub before, but her family was
home. She never told anyone then of her plans. Why did she wait until
her husband was away to kill her kids? If she was so insane, why
didn't she tell anyone before of her plans? Answer: Yates knew it was
wrong.
Yates was very rational. She knew what she was doing and carefully
planned it.
Kitty
I don't give a rats ass about psychiatry --why? because I bet those
drowning & flailing kids dint give a rats ass about psychiatry either, This
country is a country of excuse. 5 humans are dead and the excuse? she
didn't mean to do it at the time...wow, how wonderful, guess anyone can now
murder at will and claim insanity and get off and go on their merry way.
Rusty is an evil bastard and doesn't even attempt to hide it. Andrea is his
evil spawn and I have NO sympathy whatsoever for her OR him. If she hated
her life so much FUCKING LEAVE!
Kitty
AusWendy
<fatt...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
>> >
>
> As I said before, Yates was under the care of at least one shrink
> BEFORE she killed her children . . . . if she was so psychotic, why did
> he release her?
Because the medical profession as well as her husband failed her.
>Why wasn't she insitutionalized then?
She was institutionalised a few times.
Aus Wendy
R. Steve Walz
She will be treated and watched askance the rest of her life.
She didn't "get away" with anything, she was insane.
> That is what is
> happening. She will be "sentenced" to a medical facility, and get
> better housing, food and medical care than many poor people in this
> country,
----------------------------
That speaks only to what the poor SHOULD have, not to what Yates or
any prisoner should have. If you are going to keep slaves, you are
honorbound to keep them in good shape or kill them. And you don't
enslave someone for something beyond their control.
The thing about your notions that are sick is that you seem entirely
unable to even fathom insanity or what it is. You seem to totally
dismiss it as "faking" to avoid punishment. This means that you are
also insane if you persist, or else just stupid. I worked the Psych
Ward for lots of overtime when I was an in-house EMT, and I assure
you, delusion is quite real. If you think not then you are wholly
presumptuous and without basis for your opinion.
> and could be out in a few months should some "doctor"
> determine she is now fine.
-----------------------------
You even seem to pretend here that "Dr.s" aren't really different
from you and me, and in some ways you might be right, but in the
ways that matter to the issue you are wrong, and you manifest the
classic Scienti-phobia of uneducated morons who paranoidly imagine
VAINLY that everyone who did vastly better than they did in school
are really just cheating the rest of us and don't actually know much
more than you dufuses and are incompetent!!
> Then Andrea would be free to have 5 more
> babies to kill.
-------------------------------
I doubt that. Too many people are watching for that.
> As I said before, Yates was under the care of at least one shrink
> BEFORE she killed her children . . . . if she was so psychotic, why did
> he release her? Why wasn't she insitutionalized then?
-----------------------------------
Nobody knew she was that bad off, the disorder in its initial stages
conceals itself.
> Everything I've read suggests she thought of killing her kids before.
> One article said she filled the bath tub before, but her family was
> home. She never told anyone then of her plans. Why did she wait until
> her husband was away to kill her kids? If she was so insane, why
> didn't she tell anyone before of her plans? Answer: Yates knew it was
> wrong.
-------------------------------------
Because she knew they would stop her and she believed they would be
wrong to do so!!
Because she was CRAZY NOT STUPID!!!! This is the problem that slack-
jawed idjits like you cannot seem to keep straight, that the insane
are NOT stupid, they are INSANE, meaning they are motivated BY
DELUSION, but they are NOT limited by the delusion, in fact they
are stimulated to action by it with all their intellectual faculties!
> Yates was very rational. She knew what she was doing and carefully
> planned it.
-----------------------------
Normal for someone who is insane!!
Insanity is not "irrational" within its own frame, just within the
RIGHT SANE frame. You really are a dufus to not grasp this!!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
That's because you're a slack-jawed moronic idjit without a clue.
Steve
dragonlady
"127.0.0.1" <N0S...@N0Spam.com> wrote:
> How about we give Yates some Ritilan, that would make her sane to stand
> trial and when she's found guilty then execute her?
Ritalin isn't an antipsychotic.
Besides -- she WAS sane enough to stand trial; that was not the issue.
The issue was whether she was sane *when she drowned her kids*. The
jury's judgement was that she was not.
--
Children won't care how much you know until they know how much you care
Cliff and Linda Griffith
news:BTPyg.5276$DW3....@fe06.lga...
> How about we give Yates some Ritilan, that would make her sane to stand
> trial and when she's found guilty then execute her?
When does school start up again? Around here, it's about the middle of
August. I don't want to wish my life away, but I'm eager for school to get
back in session.
(It's "Ritalin". Wouldn't work anyway, I imagine, because Andrea wasn't
hyperactive or ADD. She was psychotic.)
Linda
Roger
(an Age yet to come, an Age long past)
someone claiming to be 127.0.0.1 wrote
in message <BTPyg.5276$DW3....@fe06.lga>:
>How about we give Yates some Ritilan, that would make her sane to stand
>trial and when she's found guilty then execute her?
... the idiot child says, exposing once again the fact that there is
*no* subject on which zie is shy about parading zir ignorance.
art_classmn
lkfraley wrote:
> I can't believe they didn't find her guilty.
If it's all white, it's all right.
dt_c...@yahoo.com
Lefty
> I can't believe they didn't find her guilty. She did it right? That is
> for certain. So how can they find her not guilty? Crazy or not, she
> killed her babies.
Crazy people are judged to be not responsible for their conduct, if it
arises from the illness. It is not chosen. Is this really news to you?
>She didn't have any right to do that to them. She
> needs to be put away somewhere. If she ever had another child, she
> would only do the same thing to them.
Very unlikely. Her illness is under control now.
>I don't feel sorry for her.
> Everyone has some kind of problems, but we don't kill our children
> because our lives get us down.
She was psychotic. That's not in any way the same as being "down". Just
how ignorant are you?
>Give me a break. I don't care what they
> do to her. They should just cut her hands off I guess, to keep her from
> hurting more people. But I guess it's only the children she wants to
> hurt. Good luck to everyone who comes in contact with her.
> Sorry I have no sympathy for her. Why should I?
> My first child died at 32 weeks gestation and I was horribly
> devastated. I wanted him so much. I could never understand how someone
> could take a child's life on purpose.
Insanity often makes a person do insane things. I'm sure this amazes
you.
> Oh well, it's not for me to figure out, that's up to God.
> I don't think you should kill anyone, especially not children. Precious
> little angels.
Cliche alert!
Lefty
> no justice wrote:
> > Yates not guilty by reason of insanity
> > Jury reached verdict after three days
> >
> > Wednesday, July 26, 2006
> >
> What a crock of shit, this bitch knew what she was doing was wrong, she
> needs to be put down like the effing animal she is
So you, a semi-literate internet blowhard who has never met her, know
better than the doctors who examined and tested her. That makes perfect
sense.
Lefty
Let me venture a guess- you "dint" finish high school, you're a single
mama, and you live in Brooklyn.
One can claim insanity all one likes, but doctors have ways of telling
the fakers from the real cases.
Andrea is Rusty's "evil spawn"? I love that. Do post more stupidity.
Kitty
"Lefty" <lefty...@netscape.net> wrote in message
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doctors are NOT god...they can be and are wrong.....she is a miserable human
being and adds NOTHING to overall humanity or society............I hope she
dies a miserable agonizing death as her dictator asshole ex
Kitty
Kitty
actually I am a college graduate..........obviously you don't recognize
sarcasm in the written form. I don't post in the newsgroups to make some
nitpicking language "expert" happy. I post in "dialects" for affect and
clarity. You are the dumb one, maybe some nutcase will slaughter your
family--see how you feel about that...........yeah I'm sure you would want
them to go to a mental hotel as well. She is evil and her ex is worse than
her, as he was JOYFUL to hear of her acquittal! That's fucked in PLAIN
language....his kids were slaughtered in a horrific way...yeah that's
something to smile about.
I despise NYC so you wont see me there. Boston is more ...my town.
Kitty
BTM Madness
Well, here's the thing, a lot of people who commit crime they do this
thing called "lying" to get out of facing punishment. And whatever
story they can tell to get out of it, they'll do it. Son of Sam used
to claim that he received messages from a 5000 year old dog telling
him to go kill people. It was pure bullshit, (and he even admitted it
when interviewed by FBI profiler John Douglas) but the media lapped it
up like gospel.
Besides, whether or not it's true is not even the point I was making,
My point was simply that to me, people are being way more sympathetic
to Andrea just because she's a woman, and if it were a man who killed
his kids, no one would ask (or care) about what mental state he was
in.
"I am He Who Smokes Bitches!"
-Stormy, Sealab 2021
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SMP
SMP
Thank you for your understanding of Andrea Yates' situation.
It was obvious to many that she was a good mother until she went over
the edge.
~ And the quote you mentioned here? I have made note of it, I will
always remember and share it, even though I will unfortunately never
know what it is be a parent. I'm sure it's the hardest job in the
universe. How many people can say that they never felt like strangling
their kids for some stupid reason but did not because they are sane? I
am nowhere near a bleeding heart liberal but I think I understand human
nature.
SMP
CaptAmerica
IamIaam Knowledge wrote:
> That's an incredibly sad story. When I think of all the pain and
> suffering the woman went through to birth five children. Then all the
> love, time, and energy she spent raising them.
>
Talk about brain damage. Boy are you warped. That bitch didn't love her
children or herself. Your the same type of warped personality that
thinks we should have sympathy for child molesters. What a nut case!
R. Steve Walz
Boy am I glad I don't have to breed with you.
I'm a documented borderline genius and you'd drag the gene-pool
right into the toilet!
You're dumb as a sack of rocks!
Steve
R. Steve Walz
You're a delusional nutcake, and your notion of having graduated
college is a psychotic delusion.
Steve
Fubar97 #294723
> jjj_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > bessie wrote:
> >
> >>What a crock of shit, this bitch knew what she was doing was wrong, she
> >>needs to be put down like the effing animal she is
> >
> >
>
> What "sane" person would sit down and call the police after murdering 5
> children?
>
> Kathy
She had to know what she was doing . Its not like she could have
drowned them all at one time i am sure she had to kill one then go get
another.
Fubar97 #294723
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Kathy
> Kathy wrote:
>
>>jjj_...@hotmail.com wrote:
>>
>>
>>>bessie wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>What a crock of shit, this bitch knew what she was doing was wrong, she
>>>>needs to be put down like the effing animal she is
>>>
>>>She sure didn't have a problem calling the police when she was done.
>>>
>>
>>What "sane" person would sit down and call the police after murdering 5
>>children?
>>
>>Kathy
>
>
> She had to know what she was doing . Its not like she could have
> drowned them all at one time i am sure she had to kill one then go get
> another.
She knew what she was doing and she thought it was the best thing for
her children (saving them from hell). That's what delusions do to a person.
Kathy
R. Steve Walz
>
> Kathy wrote:
> > jjj_...@hotmail.com wrote:
> >
> > > bessie wrote:
> > >
> > >>What a crock of shit, this bitch knew what she was doing was wrong, she
> > >>needs to be put down like the effing animal she is
> > >
> > > She sure didn't have a problem calling the police when she was done.
> > >
> >
> > What "sane" person would sit down and call the police after murdering 5
> > children?
> >
> > Kathy
>
> She had to know what she was doing . Its not like she could have
> drowned them all at one time i am sure she had to kill one then go get
> another.
>Fubar97 #294723
You obviously have no modern grasp of mental illness.
This also means that you're dumb as a stump.
Steve
greccogirl
Thank GOD. Too bad her idiot of a husband who allowed this isn't in
jail. I sincerely hope she gets the help she obviously desperately has
needed!!