"Contraceptive Pill Creator Regrets It"
Lenona
through taxing the young, we'll just have to come up with some other
way. Besides, it seems to me that before Social Security, old people
who never managed to have children were told, in effect: "Tough.
You'll just have to support yourself. WE'RE not doing it."
So why, at the least, can't we start teaching young people to save
rather than spend? Sooner or later, society will adjust, just as it
had to adjust to the economic earthquake caused by the automobile.
Lenona.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2179803/posts
Pill creator regrets population decline
Baptist Press News ^ | Feb 5, 2009 | Erin Roach
Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 19:45:49 by Between the Lines
NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--A chemist who led to the invention of the birth
control pill says he regrets the demographic catastrophe that has
resulted from people using the contraceptive device to separate
reproduction from sexuality.
Carl Djerassi, the 85-year-old Austrian chemist who was one of three
whose formulation of synthetic hormones paved the way for the pill,
wrote an opinion piece in the Austrian newspaper Der Standard
lamenting the way the pill has been used.
Austria's population now includes more people over age 65 than under
15, and Djerassi said the country soon will face an "impossible
situation" as the working class becomes too small to support the needs
of senior citizens. Each family in Austria needs to produce three
children to maintain population levels, he said, but on average
couples have 1.4 children.
The fall in the birth rate in European countries, he said, is an
epidemic far worse than obesity, but it receives less attention.
In order to curb the population problem, Djerassi said in the column
that Austrians would have to adopt quickly an immigration policy
designed to counteract the effects of widespread contraception before
the population commits "national suicide."
R. Albert Mohler Jr., in a 2006 New York Times Magazine article,
called the birth control pill one of the most profound developments
ever.
"I cannot imagine any development in human history, after the Fall,
that has had a greater impact on human beings than the pill," Mohler,
president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said. "It became
almost an assured form of contraception, something humans had never
encountered before in history.
"Prior to it, every time a couple had sex, there was a good chance of
pregnancy. Once that is removed, the entire horizon of the sexual act
changes. I think there could be no question that the pill gave
incredible license to everything from adultery and affairs to
premarital sex and within marriage to a separation of the sex act and
procreation," Mohler added.
Mollie Ziegler, a Gannett newspaper reporter, noted on the blog
GetReligion.org that Djerassi's comments, made in December, have
failed to make mainstream headlines in the United States.
"U.S. media tend to be a bit American-centric ... but just because
this story broke in Austria is no reason to ignore it here," she
wrote. "And no matter where Djerassi dropped his bombshell allegation
or where he lives, how many millions of women here in the United
States have used oral contraceptives and might be interested in
something their creator has to say about its unintended consequences?
There's just no news justification for obscuring this story."
Mohler, writing in a May 2006 article on his website, said some
versions of the birth control pill have abortifacient qualities.
"Not all birth control is contraception, for some technologies and
methods do not prevent the sperm from fertilizing the egg, but instead
prevent the fertilized egg from successfully implanting itself in the
lining of the womb," he said. "Such methods involve nothing less than
an early abortion. This is true of all IUDs and some hormonal
technologies. A raging debate now surrounds the question of whether at
least some forms of the Pill may also work through abortifacient
effect, rather than preventing ovulation."
Kenny McCormack
Lenona <leno...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>As *I've* said before, if we can't support the poor and the old
>through taxing the young, we'll just have to come up with some other
>way. Besides, it seems to me that before Social Security, old people
>who never managed to have children were told, in effect: "Tough.
>You'll just have to support yourself. WE'RE not doing it."
Agreed. Between the Pill and the amazing possibilities opened up by
computers (in all areas of life, including, most importantly, the
creation and maintenance of life itself), we *are* going to have to
adjust.
>So why, at the least, can't we start teaching young people to save
>rather than spend? Sooner or later, society will adjust, just as it
>had to adjust to the economic earthquake caused by the automobile.
Which earthquake was that? Care to elaborate?
Lenona
wrote:
> In article <f37e7e7e-b022-4480-bdbb-38794a827...@o10g2000yqa.googlegroups.com>,
>
> >So why, at the least, can't we start teaching young people to save
> >rather than spend? Sooner or later, society will adjust, just as it
> >had to adjust to the economic earthquake caused by the automobile.
>
> Which earthquake was that? Care to elaborate?
Well, think of all the jobs and family businesses lost when horses and
buggies became near-obsolete.
Lenona.
Lenona
increasingly bigger fields, since customers were no longer bound to
small, local markets.
Lenona.
Kenny McCormack
elizabeth
We need more vasectomies. How about a tax break for all men who get
one before breeding?
And double that for women who get tubals, since it's far more
dangerous.
Pete
<08709fd4-9550-4d12...@v15g2000prn.googlegroups.com>,
elizabeth <efra...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> We need more vasectomies. How about a tax break for all men who get
> one before breeding?
> And double that for women who get tubals, since it's far more
> dangerous.
I agree with this psot...Pete, with a 20-year-old vasectomy.
h
"Pete" <fuck...@fuck.bush.com> wrote in message
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Yup, my tubal turns 26 this month. Where's my tax credit?
Frank Apple
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2179803/posts
> Pill creator regrets population decline
Population "decline?" Sounds like he's been homebrewing some sort
of recreational pharmaceutical!
(I think what he probably means is "decline of a particular ethnic
population relative to some other ethnic populations.")
--
Frank Apple
Lenona
Wisconsin (in this chapter, it's September of 1918 and Sterling,
nearly 12, has to buy a leash and collar for his raccoon):
"Garth Shadwick, like his father before him, was a craftsman in
leather whose skill was known as far away as the county seat and the
state capital. He made handsome leather luggage, custom-fitted riding
boots, and engraved book bindings. But most of his trade was in
harnesses; and harness-making was a profession threatened by the
automobile."
And, a couple of paragraphs later, Shadwick starts ranting, apropos of
nothing, against automobiles.
So, while the leather industry will probably always be alive and well,
it was clearly far, far bigger once upon a time, and the young and old
alike suffered greatly as the auto industry flourished, with no hope
of redress, and all they could do was learn new skills, even at age
80. I'm sure there were dozens of other examples that we don't
immediately think of when we think of horses and buggies.
Lenona.
Lenona
> As *I've* said before, if we can't support the poor and the old
> through taxing the young, we'll just have to come up with some other
> way. Besides, it seems to me that before Social Security, old people
> who never managed to have children were told, in effect: "Tough.
> You'll just have to support yourself. WE'RE not doing it."
>
> So why, at the least, can't we start teaching young people to save
> rather than spend? Sooner or later, society will adjust,
I wanted to add that if, by a miracle, young people could be persuaded
to give up all their luxuries so they could be sure of being able to
retire, the merchants who used to profit from the spending habits of
the young would eventually start catering instead to the NECESSITIES
of the young - such as textbooks and second-hand furniture for their
first-time apartments - as well as the tastes of the elderly, whether
luxuries or necessities.
We can do it, as the WWII poster said.
Lenona.
news
"Lenona" <leno...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2179803/posts
>
> Pill creator regrets population decline
>
> Baptist Press News ^ | Feb 5, 2009 | Erin Roach
>
> Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 19:45:49 by Between the Lines
>
> NASHVILLE, Tenn. (BP)--A chemist who led to the invention of the birth
> control pill says he regrets the demographic catastrophe that has
> resulted from people using the contraceptive device to separate
> reproduction from sexuality.
Yes, well, if he didn't invent it, someone else would have.
> R. Albert Mohler Jr., in a 2006 New York Times Magazine article,
> called the birth control pill one of the most profound developments
> ever.
>
> "I cannot imagine any development in human history, after the Fall,
> that has had a greater impact on human beings than the pill," Mohler,
> president of Southern Baptist Theological Seminary, said. "It became
> almost an assured form of contraception, something humans had never
> encountered before in history.
What an uneducated fuckwit. After "The Fall"? Does he mean the fictional
Old Testament account of Eve, the serpent, and the apple? Comparing a
scientific achievement to an ancient fable is supposed to give him
credibility? Not to mention that he ignored major world events such as the
Black Plague, the Renaissance, the discovery of antibiotics, electricity,
indoor plumbing, the influenza epidemic, several world wars, and the
Holocaust.
Early humans had a built in contraception control thanks to a very short
lifespan. They lived just long enough to produce one or two offspring. Later
on, women and children died early and often as a result of complications of
pregnancy and childbirth, so reproduction was self-limiting in that respect.
The "pill" made for healthier women and babies, because pregnancies were
fewer and farther between, and stronger economies because women became a
larger part of the workforce.
I will stop ranting now!
news
"Lenona" <leno...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> Pill creator regrets population decline
>
> Baptist Press News ^ | Feb 5, 2009 | Erin Roach
>
> Posted on Friday, February 06, 2009 19:45:49 by Between the Lines
Sorry, didn't notice that this is a stale news story.
news
I'm sure there were dozens of other examples that we don't
> immediately think of when we think of horses and buggies.
Picture the manure piling up in the streets, and the knackers hauling away
dying and dead cart-horses to the renderers or the slaughterhouse. Should we
be sad that these days are long gone?
This is but one reason I hate the Amish.
Bobchai
Frank:
ALL ethnic populations are in decline now. The only factor is
immigration.
--Bob
Pete
<aa8abb7f-d1ef-4ce5...@z4g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
Bobchai <Robert...@aol.com> wrote:
> ALL ethnic populations are in decline now.
And that's a good thing�...Pete
Frank Apple
> On Nov 5, 5:04?pm, Frank Apple <yeahri...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> > (I think what he probably means is "decline of a particular ethnic
> > population relative to some other ethnic populations.")
> ALL ethnic populations are in decline now.
Cite?
--
Frank Apple
========================================================================
"Life's too short to be caught up in misery." -Pirate Queen
Pete
creator is this: WHO CARES?...Pete
Bobchai
Frank:
Before I begin, let's define what I'm saying:
All ethnic birthrates around the world are approaching replacement
levels or below. We already know this this about Europe, USA and
Canada and Japan. I am not saying that population won't increase -- it
surely will, until it levels off in mid-century. You can't turn a big
ship around just like that. It will take the generation AFTER the
present birth-age generation to make this a reality. HALF of the Arab
and the sub-Saharan world is under 18, but if you look at current
fertility rates for those countries, they have dropped WAY DOWN since
about 1990.
Frank, here's my citation, from Oct. 29, 2009 The Economist. I have
known all this for years, but when you asked me to cite, I had to
Google through a lot of out-of-date research and quite a few Christian
whiner publications to find an objective, very recent analysis.
If you don't recognize this, Google yourself. BE SURE to distinguish,
in the statistics, between "birth rates" and "fertility rates" and
"births minus deaths"
Birth rates are simply births per thousand. Fertility rates are
births per woman, which is an approach toward accuracy, but not
quite. In Africa there are still more than six births per woman, but
infant mortality cuts it down to about two children, if that, who
survive.
Here is what I dredged up. If you want to dispute this, I'll go all
night. This has been my solid belief and prediction for over 30 years.
Am I a demographer? No, but I play one on USENET. I'll take
questions at the end of the class.
--Bob
http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14744915
Bobchai
Addendum: Birth rate should be "births per 1,000 population in a given
year"
Frank Apple
> On Nov 10, 4:39?pm, Frank Apple <yeahri...@mailinator.com> wrote:
> > > > (I think what he probably means is "decline of a particular ethnic
> > > > population relative to some other ethnic populations.")
> > > ALL ethnic populations are in decline now.
> >
> > Cite?
> All ethnic birthrates around the world are approaching replacement
> levels or below.
That's not correct, as a simple web search will confirm. Granted, I
only looked at birth and death rates by race as reported by the US
Census Department, but all ethnic groups continue to grow in popu-
lation.
Again: if you have a cite that says otherwise, let's see it.
> http://www.economist.com/opinion/displaystory.cfm?story_id=14744915
That source says that the fertility rate is currently above the
replacement rate, and will not fall below the replacement rate
for another 11 years.
Oh, and it also features a CYOOOOOT BAYBEEE PICTURE right up at
the top of the article. I would appreciate a warning next time.
Bobchai
Frank:
Sorry to get back to you after a couple of days' absence, but your
post came late for me that evening, and I wasn't even checking back to
ASCF by then. The following two days were a scramble to ready myself
for some job interviews (I think I may have aced one interview on
Friday!).
The CYOOOOT baybeee photo was also a bit much for me.
Some ethnic groups remain more apt to have large families, it's true,
but I see that as a function of modernity rather than race. In Mexico,
for example, the poorest rural peasants are only now "getting" it,
while urban Mexicans have had smaller family sizes for decades.
--Bob
Frank Apple
> Some ethnic groups remain more apt to have large families, it's true,
Actually, ALL ethnic groups are continuing to poop out more babies
at something significantly higher than the replacement rate. This
has nothing to do with "large families," however you define "large,"
though. [1]
And it's also directly contradictory to the claim you made. This is
why I always ask for cites.
> but I see that as a function of modernity rather than race. In Mexico,
> for example, the poorest rural peasants are only now "getting" it,
> while urban Mexicans have had smaller family sizes for decades.
Cite?
[1] Me? "More than three," unless member #4 or higher is a dog
or a cat or the like. Preferably a dog, but that's just me.
Pete
CREATOR OF THE BCP REGRETS IT?
Jesus fucking christ, WHO CARES?
Y'all are idiots...Pete
Frank Apple
Kenny McCormack
Aleks A.-Lessmann <al...@lessmann-consulting.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 09:28:58 -0800 (PST), Lenona wrote:
>>demographic catastrophe
>
>Does not compute. The only catastrophe is that the world's population's
>still rising.
>
>As somebody else said in the thread, the catastrophe is surely that
>there's "not more white babies", which is what most think when they talk
>about it.
>
>Aleks
Well, yes. Although it is not PC to say it out loud, the fact is that,
in terms of the propagation of that thing we refer to as "Western
Civilization", the problem is actually two-fold. Not enough WBs
and too many of the other.
Alan
link because if we all had to hit the website in order to see it, then
the article would benefit from the hits, and with it the pronatalist
movement would benefit and our movement would be harmed. Good work
Lenona.