Weird shampoo commercial (warning: long Frenchy rant ahead!)
Fab4Fan99
Frenchy wrote:
>This is something I've been thinking about for a couple of weeks. I just
>finished reviewing a book for the American Reporter called "No Fat Chicks"
>about the obsession with thinness in this culture (mostly aimed at women).
*Mostly* aimed at women. Not completely. Take it from a fat guy. Take it from a
fat *and* tall guy who just spent three days shopping for one lousy shirt! If
it weren't for Casual Male Big and Tall, I'd be naked. Unfortunately, although
it's a great store with a wonderful selection of 3XLT shirts--and even make
them in attractive patterns--they ain't cheap.
I first checked the various "discount" stores, hoping I could get a shirt
without going broke. One of them, their ENTIRE stock of Big Guy shirts had
*horizontal* stripes! Every single damn one of them. Not to mention that every
single color pattern was based on the traditional Fat Guy Khaki. Oh yeah,
thanks--make my fat self look like an overripe olive and then emphasize the gut
with horizontal stripes. LOTS of thought went into that fashion choice, didn't
it? "Hey, it's the Fat Guy department--who cares what it looks like, as long as
it kinda fits? Those fat lazy slobs obviously don't care about looking decent,
anyway!"
I've learned my lesson. Casual Male gets all my business, even if they are
expensive.
>After reading a book recommended here about life in the Fifties, it led me
>to another book I'm reading now--"Model--The Ugly Business of Beautiful
>Women"--an extremely comprehensive history of the modeling business from
>its inception in the twenties and thirties to the mid-90s. And the thing
>that is really striking me is how, after thirty years of feminism, and
>women who aren't afraid to stand up to abusive partners, who fight for
>equal pay, who can intellectually joust with any man they meet--why are
>women still starving themselves and pouring billions of dollars into the
>beauty industry???
That's a question that really bugs me. I will never understand it. You know
what's funny? I don't know ONE guy who thinks that "starving waif" thing is
attratctive. Not one. I find the current "beauty standard" as it applies to
weight utterly repulsive.
>
>I'm not knocking people who want to get fit or fix themselves up a
>little...I'm hardly a bra-burning feminist and I color the gray out of my
>hair and I put on makeup when I go to work (but not the the weekend 'cuz
>I'm not paid to look good then...;)
My wife colors her hair, because she started going grey in her late teens,
believe it or not--but it's a real streaky grey. (She had to let it grow out
when she was preggers). I see why she colors it. But she uses very little
makeup. Who came up with the idea of *makeup*, anyway? What an utterly stupid
concept......almost as useless as neckties. <G>
...but when I look at how much
>*emphasis* there is on beauty, fashion, hair, etc. in womens' magazines
>(there I go again on this subject!), and just how obsessed we are with
>dieting...why the hell don't women make their voices heard more and say TO
>HELL WITH IT?
I wish I knew the answer to that question, too. It really is conditioning. Just
another reason to count my blessings for being brought up in a nonconformist
"question everything" household.
>
>The "No Fat Chicks" book talks about the growing fat-acceptance movement
>and how they finally made their voices heard by the mavens of fashion when
>they got tired of being ignored and all but patronized by lousy choices in
>clothes, and finally woke up the fashion designers in realizing they were
>blowing off a *hugely* (no pun intended) lucrative market that was NOT a
>size eight
As detailed by my experience above, it's time to get the men in on this one!
>, and Ten
>Days To A Slimmer You (With The Amazing Pretzel Stick Diet >As Dictated To
>Jenny McCarthy By Elvis Presley's Ghost).
ROFLMAO!!
Frank
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Jennifer Hill
> *Mostly* aimed at women. Not completely. Take it from a fat guy. Take it from a
> fat *and* tall guy who just spent three days shopping for one lousy shirt! If
> it weren't for Casual Male Big and Tall, I'd be naked. Unfortunately, although
> it's a great store with a wonderful selection of 3XLT shirts--and even make
> them in attractive patterns--they ain't cheap.
>
> I first checked the various "discount" stores, hoping I could get a shirt
> without going broke. One of them, their ENTIRE stock of Big Guy shirts had
> *horizontal* stripes! Every single damn one of them. Not to mention that every
> single color pattern was based on the traditional Fat Guy Khaki. Oh yeah,
> thanks--make my fat self look like an overripe olive and then emphasize the gut
> with horizontal stripes. LOTS of thought went into that fashion choice, didn't
> it? "Hey, it's the Fat Guy department--who cares what it looks like, as long as
> it kinda fits? Those fat lazy slobs obviously don't care about looking decent,
> anyway!"
>
> I've learned my lesson. Casual Male gets all my business, even if they are
> expensive.
>
>
> Frank
>
Oh my GOD! I have that same problem with women's clothes. I was
shopping once and EVERYTHING has horizontal stripes on it!
"Gee, there are a few women out there who are a little heavier than the
rest. Let's take a size two dress and add 30 inches to every seam! It
will look perfect!" *Ugh*
I guess the "Casual Male" of the Women's world is Lane Bryant. There's
not an article of clothing in that store for under $50 (except the $12
and $16 dollar underware). And I sometimes wonder why most of my
clothes are from 1992.
Makes me want to go shopping!
Jennifer - who could snap those waif-y extremities off with one finger.
rfe...@rocketmail.com
In article <35475F...@musicdirect.com>,
LOL, me too. And we get it double at our place. My husband is a big guy. Not
fat, however, which means he can't buy clothes off the rack. Back 10 years in
high school, when he was playing football and rugby, he got the best prom tux
because they had to custom-make it. When you have a 54" chest, they assume you
have a huge gut (nope - 36" waist, since he was 6'4" and 275 lbs all muscle),
and the arms are still way too short. Plus, not many places have shirts with a
22" neck. He's a lot "smaller" now at about 240 lbs, but he still can't get a
blazer without custom tailoring.
My experience with plus-size women's wear isn't stripes. It's that damn near
everything is vaguely nautical. You know, white piping, little stars on the
shoulders, maybe that bib-on-the-back thing. I don't want to be a fat sailor.
And why they think we need a neck that's 18" wide is beyond me.
Renee
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Marisa Wood
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Jennifer Hill wrote:
> I guess the "Casual Male" of the Women's world is Lane Bryant. There's
> not an article of clothing in that store for under $50 (except the $12
> and $16 dollar underware). And I sometimes wonder why most of my
> clothes are from 1992.
I've had good luck shopping the off-price chains (e.g. Ross Dress For
Less). I bought an electric-blue sleeveless dress with a Lane Bryant
label in it for $10. It was a size 18/20. Now, granted, you do have to
wade through all the crap on the racks to get to the good stuff like my
dress, but if there's an off-price store in your area, it's worth a look.
I also went to the women's department of an upscale dept. store a couple
of weeks ago and checked the clearance racks. Again, I DID have to go
through a lot of really hideous stuff, but I eventually found a beautiful,
cinnamon-colored wool skirt. It was originally $96, but by the time I
found it on the clearance rack, it had been marked down to **$18**.
That was the first thing I'd bought new in a while, though. Actually, a
lot of my clothes are hand-me-downs from my mother, who fortunately wears
the same size as me. You could say I have a personal shopper, of my Very
Own ;-) But again, I have to sort through closets and trunks and dressers
full of things I wouldn't be caught dead in, to find stuff that will work
for me. ("Mom, I couldn't possibly wear this....it's too...fussy!")
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Chris Petit
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998 05:25:53 GMT, equ...@harborside.com (Shoshanna
Moser) wrote:
>On Wed, 29 Apr 1998 18:37:10 GMT, cond...@osu.edu (Colleen Condron)
>wrote:
>
>> And some of those colors....that pea soup green
>>that looks good on two people in the world....if I wear it, people
>>actually ask me if I'm feeling ok....yeah, I want a knit, pea soup
>>green, horizontally striped whatever....just in case I ever had any
>>illusions of looking the slightest bit NICE in my clothes.....
>>
>
>
>About a year ago "Lime" became the hot color in the fashion industry--
>absolute proof, by the way, that the industry is dominated by people
>who truly hate women-- and it has since trickled down through all
>levels of ready-to-wear. Inotherwords, NO ONE has been spared! And
>while, in years past, it could usually be assumed that the
>revolting-color-of-the-moment would at least look well on a *few*
>people, "Lime" looks horrific on *everyone!* It leaves even the
>most beautiful women looking as if they've eaten some bad oysters, and
>what it does to the rest of us is simply unspeakable. But be of good
>spirit-- it *will* go away. These things always do. And the next
>time your best colors come into fashion, remember The Year of the Lime
>and buy accordingly.
On one talk show, there was a woman wearing a LIME dress,
complete with nails painted the same hideous shade of LIME. Egads!
Just wait, ladies---soon they'll have lime lipstick. Sends
the message "I almost drowned." ;-)
Aspen
On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Marisa Wood wrote:
> On Wed, 29 Apr 1998, Jennifer Hill wrote:
>
> > I guess the "Casual Male" of the Women's world is Lane Bryant. There's
> > not an article of clothing in that store for under $50 (except the $12
> > and $16 dollar underware). And I sometimes wonder why most of my
> > clothes are from 1992.
>
> I've had good luck shopping the off-price chains (e.g. Ross Dress For
> Less). I bought an electric-blue sleeveless dress with a Lane Bryant
I learned to sew.
I'm not horrendously huge, although the RN at my once-a-year
get-the-birth-control-renewed doctor visit goes *tsk* at the scale, but
I'm busty. Very busty. As in "Where are all the damn *bras*??" busty.
As in a corset is more comfy than some of those torture devices busty.
So, of course, I always have to buy separates.
Ya know where I buy shirts? At the men's stores. Big enough in the chest
(I hate that little button gap), I don't friggin' care what side of the
placket the buttons are on, and so what if the sleeves are a little long?
Also, I do some costuming, and I'm not terribly shy about wearing a shirt
with big, poofy pirate sleeves to work (actually like it, rather!).
Aspen
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Steve/Beth George
Jennifer Hill <jh...@musicdirect.com> wrote:
: Oh my GOD! I have that same problem with women's clothes. I was
: shopping once and EVERYTHING has horizontal stripes on it!
: "Gee, there are a few women out there who are a little heavier than the
: rest. Let's take a size two dress and add 30 inches to every seam! It
: will look perfect!" *Ugh*
No, it's "Let's take a REALLY UGLY size two dress and add..."
I wear a size 14, which is just big enough that manufacturers seem to
think "Those cows don't care how they look, anyway, use up that turquoise
and orange plaid on them!" I often see stuff in, say, size 6, that would
look really good on me, same colors, same style, if only it came in my
size.
Strangely enough, it was being the p-word that got me over the last hurdle
of self-hatred about my size. I stopped worrying about hiding my bulging
stomach, because it was supposed to stick out, then it hit me, that due
to heredity, etc, my stomach was ALWAYS going to be a little poochy. I'd
love to have gorgeous washboard abs, highlighted by a pierced navel and
shown off in crop-tops, but it ain't gonna happen, and there's no sense
hating myself because of it.
--Beth
naomi pardue
Colleen Condron (cond...@osu.edu) wrote:
> I'm a Lane B shopper myself....their sales are good, but their regular
> prices are a tad on the high side. But yeah, what IS the deal with
> horizontal stripes???? And some of those colors....that pea soup green
> that looks good on two people in the world....if I wear it, people
> actually ask me if I'm feeling ok....yeah, I want a knit, pea soup
> green, horizontally striped whatever....just in case I ever had any
> illusions of looking the slightest bit NICE in my clothes.....
You folks have GOT to learn to sew!
You don't like the colors and styles that are 'in' this year? They make
you look like a jaundiced sack of potatoes?
No problem. Go down to the fabric store.
Pick the exact styles you like. (Much
more choice in the pattern books than on the rack, and certain classic
styles are ALWAYS available.) Pick the exact fabric you like. If you
aren't exactly any standard size, adjust the pattern.
And you save money too.
Naomi
Larisa Migachyov
naomi pardue (npa...@indiana.edu) wrote:
Unfortunately, not everyone can sew. If I were to wear what I sewed, I
would either be arrested for public indecency or for terminal
incompetence. :)
--
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Biomedical Engineering * Che si fugge tuttavia!
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Colleen Condron
In article <6iagmn$r1n$1...@jetsam.uits.indiana.edu>, npa...@indiana.edu
(naomi pardue) wrote:
> You folks have GOT to learn to sew!
>
> You don't like the colors and styles that are 'in' this year? They make
> you look like a jaundiced sack of potatoes?
>
> No problem. Go down to the fabric store.
> Pick the exact styles you like. (Much
> more choice in the pattern books than on the rack, and certain classic
> styles are ALWAYS available.) Pick the exact fabric you like. If you
> aren't exactly any standard size, adjust the pattern.
>
> And you save money too.
Trust me on this one.....I would look better in puke green horizontal
stripes than I would look in something I made myself. Really. I've
tried. I. Cannot. Sew. I see it as a talent, a gift, and I don't have
it.
Colleen
naomi pardue
Distribution:
I see it more as a skill than a talent. (The TALENTED people are the
folks who design and cut their own patterns! Sewing from a printed
pattern is just a matter of following directions.)
But if you can't sew yourself, how about hiring someone?
It would
neutralize the cash savings, but you'd still get clothes that look and
fit well.
Naomi
Steve/Beth George
rfe...@rocketmail.com wrote:
: And why they think we need a neck that's 18" wide is beyond me.
And the WRISTS. I swear, every blouse over size 10 has these 10" wrists.
I can move the buttons, but it PISSES ME OFF. (and it effects the way the
sleeve hangs.) Either the clothing makers think we don't care, or they
think large people are huge everywhere.
I can sew, but it takes forever, so I save it for period things or weird
ideas (like the Hogmanay [Scottish New Year] dress I made because I saw
Versace's last formal line, with slit skirts with a contrasting lining,
and I HAD to do a dress with a plaid lining! Took 3 freaking days, looked
great.)
--Beth
mo
My husband wears 2xT and shares your loathing of shopping due to horrible
experiences.
Try this catalogue-- Sierra Trading Co with inexpensive outdoor and casual
type stuff. He got a super nice henley for $12, some Hanes beefy Ts for
3.95 and some jeans 44w36l for 14.95.
Moe
Jennifer Hill wrote in message <35475F...@musicdirect.com>...
>shopping once and EVERYTHING has horizontal stripes on it!
>
>"Gee, there are a few women out there who are a little heavier than the
>rest. Let's take a size two dress and add 30 inches to every seam! It
>will look perfect!" *Ugh*
>
>not an article of clothing in that store for under $50 (except the $12
>and $16 dollar underware). And I sometimes wonder why most of my
>clothes are from 1992.
>
Rabbit
> .
>
> Ya know where I buy shirts? At the men's stores. Big enough in the chest
> (I hate that little button gap), I don't friggin' care what side of the
> placket the buttons are on, and so what if the sleeves are a little long?
>
Here's a pet peeve -- T-shirts with pictures on them. Now I'm in the size 14
range, but for heaven's sake, if I want a T-shirt with South Park or a car or
something funny on it, 90% of them are size XL. (The other 10% are large.)
Well, I can leave it hanging out to my knees, or I can tuck it in and half the
design disappears into my pants. Haven't these people ever heard of "Medium"?
Rabbit
Rabbit
>
>
> I see it more as a skill than a talent. (The TALENTED people are the
> folks who design and cut their own patterns! Sewing from a printed
> pattern is just a matter of following directions.)
>
You mean -- EVERYONE can do it?
Wow ... that's some generalization ...
Rabbit
Rabbit
Dulcinea West wrote:
> Rabbit <rab...@hotstar.net> wrote:
> >Here's a pet peeve -- T-shirts with pictures on them. Now I'm in the size 14
> >range, but for heaven's sake, if I want a T-shirt with South Park or a car or
> >something funny on it, 90% of them are size XL. (The other 10% are large.)
> >Well, I can leave it hanging out to my knees, or I can tuck it in and half the
> >design disappears into my pants. Haven't these people ever heard of "Medium"?
>
> You're a size 14 and you want a medium-sized t-shirt? I'm not far
> behind at a size 10-12 and I go for the XLs myself. XXL if they've
> got it. I don't like tight t-shirts at all. I once worked at a
> geekorama computer corporation and they ordered t-shirts up to
> XXXXL for some of their really ginormous employees. I begged one
> of those shirts off the receptionist giving them out. I love
> big t-shirts. Minimum I can wear is XL.
>
Well, most of the T-shirts I'm talking about are made with large men in mind. A
medium in these is about the same size as a women's large. That makes it roomy
enough, but it doesn't look like I'm wearing a tent.
Sweatshirts -- now that's "large" all the way!
Rabbit
Morgans42
Does anyone else remember the "Multiples" clothing company? They had soft
cotton knit clothing in "Free Size" that somehow miraculously fit everyone from
my size 6 sister to my size 26 stepmother. The fabrics draped so beautifully
that they always looked dressy even though they were soft enough that you
_felt_ like you were wearing pajamas, and I'm still wearing one top and pants
five, no six years after I got 'em. They had a factory outlet in Kittery ME,
which is where I bought all my stuff, but when the outlet closed my supply got
cut off. :-( Do they still exist somewhere out there in the mists of time and
space?
---Mari, who "struck it rich" one year when the in colors were cinnamon brown,
olive green, and a really odd looking mustard that looked hideous on everyone
but her and thus got her pick of the clearance racks/bins at the Multiples
outlet :-)
Chris Petit
On 1 May 1998 02:55:01 GMT, dulc...@X.exit109.com (Dulcinea West)
wrote:
>Susan C. Mitchell <sus...@primenet.SPAMWALL.com> wrote:
>>: On one talk show, there was a woman wearing a LIME dress,
>>: complete with nails painted the same hideous shade of LIME. Egads!
>>: Just wait, ladies---soon they'll have lime lipstick. Sends
>>: the message "I almost drowned." ;-)
>>A confession: I bought a lime t-shirt.
>>For MYSELF.
>>On PURPOSE.
>>To WEAR.
>
>About ten years ago I bought the ugliest, brightest, most neon
>lime green sweatshirt I could find. Then I had the phrase "You're
>ugly and your mother dresses you funny" put on it. :-) I have
>such a grand sense of irony.
Ok. Those are GOOD reasons to wear that (insurance against
drivers running into you and irony). But the woman in question meant
it totally seriously.
Marisa Wood
On Thu, 30 Apr 1998, Chris Petit wrote:
> On one talk show, there was a woman wearing a LIME dress,
> complete with nails painted the same hideous shade of LIME. Egads!
EGADS is right!
*The Goddess of Fashion goeth up to Her mountaintop and speaketh:
Unless thou wearest the VILE color LIME as an insurance policy, as indeed
some do, thou shalt NOT wear the EVIL shade of LIME, or thou wilt incur
the Wrath of the Goddess!
*The Goddess steppeth down from Her mountaintop and goeth to work on a
commandment for FROSTED BLUE eyeshadow.... ;-)
Sun Hill
Actually that weird lime color looks great on me. So does fuchsia. Gosh,
if there were more "girly" girls on this list, they could tell me I'm an
autumn or summer or whatever it is I would need to be so that these
colors do not look hideous on me.
Midwest Monica who's always liked ugly colors! LIME GREEN ROCKS MY
WORLD!!!!
---
"We can't all and some of us don't. That's all there is to it." --
Eeyore
naomi pardue
Yes, I believe that everyone CAN. Some people just don't choose to learn
how, or practice until they have mastered the skill.
Naomi
Jennifer Hill
Rabbit wrote:
>
> > .
> >
> > Ya know where I buy shirts? At the men's stores. Big enough in the chest
> > (I hate that little button gap), I don't friggin' care what side of the
> > placket the buttons are on, and so what if the sleeves are a little long?
> >
>
> range, but for heaven's sake, if I want a T-shirt with South Park or a car or
> something funny on it, 90% of them are size XL. (The other 10% are large.)
> Well, I can leave it hanging out to my knees, or I can tuck it in and half the
> design disappears into my pants. Haven't these people ever heard of "Medium"?
>
My mom has the same problem. Now, she cuts the bottom off and gives it
a once-around on the sewing machine. It really makes a difference.
Jennifer - who wishes that one sized really fit all
naomi pardue
Distribution:
Trish Connery (conn...@NOSPAMearthlink.net) wrote:
> naomi pardue wrote:
> Adjusting a sewing pattern is NOT something the general beginning sewer
> can do.
Agreed if we're talking about major alterations. But if it's a matter of
having size 16 hips and a size 12 bust, or unusually long arms, that's
just a matter of cutting on different lines.
A beginning sewer would have to start with the "Easy-Sew" type
> patterns, which, BTW, look like your basic potato sack (no fitted
> waists, usually no zippers/set-in waistbands, etc.) And the patterns for
> the top, hot, contemporary styles are not going to be found in the
> "Easy-Sew" section.
Agreed. You start with a few easy things, then work up to the hot
contemporary styles.
> Plus, material isn't cheap,
It is if you shop wisely. I rarely spend more than $3 a yard for fabric
and often spend much less than that.
and if you make a
> mistake (lay-out wrong, cut wrong, whatever), your money and work are
> down the drain.
I DID say you have to be able to follow directions ...
Naomi
Larisa Migachyov
Bonus Sock
In article <6id3un$2gj$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>, mol...@hotmail.com wrote:
> How do you learn to sew if you have no idea how to begin? I've got a sewing
> machine and even made a pair of curtins once, but then I hurt my hands and
> haven't been able to do much of anything co-ordination wise for over a year.
> I might be able to handle small amounts of pin handling, etc. (especially with
> the aid of a magnet). But I'm baffled - how do you learn?
I'd go down to the local sewing machine seller and ask if he knows of any
classes or someone that would tutor you.
- Don
robin
Rabbit wrote:
> Naomi wrote:
> >
> > I see it more as a skill than a talent. (The TALENTED people are the
> > folks who design and cut their own patterns! Sewing from a printed
> > pattern is just a matter of following directions.)
> >
>
> You mean -- EVERYONE can do it?
>
> Wow ... that's some generalization ...
I mostly agree with Naomi. Anyone who wants to learn to sew can do it,
provided they have a minimal degree of coordination. (If it hurts the
hands, I don't recommend it though; and anyone who hates to sew
shouldn't do it either!)
Over the years, teaching sewing has been part of my 'career' and I've
never yet found anyone who couldn't learn at all. Fitting is a
different but related skill, but is still something that anyone can
learn. (even pants, to answer a previous post; pants aren't as
difficult as they look, for fitting or construction)
My students can sew a project as well as I can, but it will take them a
lot longer. Speed is the main difference, and improves with
experience.
I do understand that a person may simply not have the time to sew, or
find that it 'doesn't pay' to sew. But, I can sew better quality than
almost anything I can afford to buy at retail (poor workmanship of RTW
is one of my pet peeves, but it keeps me in business)-- so I make my
'better' clothes and buy jeans & silk Ts at the thrift shop :)
robin, who almost can't afford to be her own seamstress but isn't
satisfied with anyone else's work
robin
Andrea Luttgen wrote:
[someone else wrote:]
> > But if you can't sew yourself, how about hiring someone?
> > It would
> > neutralize the cash savings, but you'd still get clothes that look and
> > fit well.
>
> Neutralize? It would be an awful lot more expensive.
Not necessarily. If you shop at the typical 'better department store'
and then pay for alterations, you will probably pay about the same as
buying the pattern and materials and having the clothing custom made.
Alterations are a lot less labor when they're done during construction
than when they are done later, and once you have a basic style that fits
you, you can usually have additional items made for less labor than the
first one, since you won't need the additional fittings, etc.
I'm in Pittsburgh, which is well-known as an anomalous market, so
YMMV... but that's how it goes here.
robin
Jennifer Hill
> Just out of curiosity, have either you or any of the other larger ladies on
> this ng gotten into making your own clothes? I'm thinking in particular of
> caftans, which every woman in the world looks good in, and which obviously
> you can control how fashionable it looks. (Well, okay, maybe not the
> heighth of fashion but definitely more fashionable than what you find in
> the stores.)
>
> I know this doesn't help Frank, but if he was interested, there *are*
> shirts he could make on the cheap.
>
> Frenchy
Moo...
Jennifer - who would rather not look like a tent, but thanks for the
suggestion.
Elizabeth A. Shack
On Fri, 01 May 1998 13:23:19 -0600, mol...@hotmail.com wrote:
>How do you learn to sew if you have no idea how to begin? I've got a sewing
I've seen crafts and fabric stores with signs for classes. Or try a
community center.
Beth
--
Elizabeth A. Shack
sh...@fas.harvard.edu
Physics Grad Student
Linda Dachtyl
Chris Petit wrote:
> >
> >About a year ago "Lime" became the hot color in the fashion industry--
I was not shocked, however I was watching Dark Shadows at the
time............eeeee Cassandra's dress...eeeeeeee
Linda
Lara W.
Colleen Condron wrote in message ...
>>
>stripes than I would look in something I made myself. Really. I've
>tried. I. Cannot. Sew. I see it as a talent, a gift, and I don't have
>it.
Like parenting. ;)
LW (duckin' & runnin')
Lara W.
rfe...@rocketmail.com wrote in message <6i828c$t9u$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>LOL, me too. And we get it double at our place. My husband is a big guy.
Not
>fat, however, which means he can't buy clothes off the rack. Back 10 years
in
>high school, when he was playing football and rugby, he got the best prom
tux
>because they had to custom-make it. When you have a 54" chest, they assume
you
>have a huge gut (nope - 36" waist, since he was 6'4" and 275 lbs all
muscle),
Renee, forgive me, but I salivated over that description! Does he have a
twin?!
LW
naomi pardue
Larisa Migachyov (l...@leland.Stanford.EDU) wrote:
> Distribution:
> : > > I see it more as a skill than a talent. (The TALENTED people are the
> : > > folks who design and cut their own patterns! Sewing from a printed
> : > > pattern is just a matter of following directions.)
> : > >
> : >
> : > You mean -- EVERYONE can do it?
> : >
> : > Wow ... that's some generalization ...
> : Yes, I believe that everyone CAN. Some people just don't choose to learn
> : how, or practice until they have mastered the skill.
> :
> Or don't have the time?
Or rather, choose to spend their time differently. (You COULD quit your
job and start sewing ... ;-)) There are 24 hours in every day.
Naomi
naomi pardue
Andrea Luttgen (dj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> > Yes, I believe that everyone CAN. Some people just don't choose to learn
> > how, or practice until they have mastered the skill.
>
> the purchase of a sewing machine. A whole lot of money is going to be
> spend on practice and countless attempts until the first decent piece is
> produced. Compared to buying ready to wear it will take decades to pay off.
Let's see, you can get a decent machine for about $200. If you start with
fairly simple patterns, it should NOT take you 'countless attempts' to
make something wearable.
Maybe if you normally buy your clothes at yard sales and the salvation
army it would take 'decades' to pay off. But not if you buy your clothes
at retail shops. (And the discussion here WAS that nice clothes in large
sizes were both hard to find and very expensive.)
> I don't think it's worth it. Besides do you know how to sew pants? I heard
> that's difficult.
Yes, I do know how to sew pants. Yes, it is fairly difficult in that the
contruction is 'counter-intuitive.' But once you figure out the first
pair (with help if needed), they are not hard to do.
Naomi
rfe...@rocketmail.com
In article <6iills$qd1$1...@picasso.op.net>#1/1,
LOL. I'll add to your envy - he's blond, blue-eyed, terribly handsome, cooks,
cleans, scrubs floors, empties kitty litter, takes out the garbage, indulges
my every whim, and is the sweetest thing on two feet. Plus, that's his
*natural* body - he's not a gym narcissist.
And here's the "genetics is weird" post of the day - his brother is
diametrically opposed. Tall but skinny, dark, self-involved (although
interesting), socially irresponsible, insensitive. But available!
ObCF: We've got 3 women at work in varying degrees of "about to birth", and
I've successfully managed to avoid *all* showers, "donations" and assorted
infant-related events. On the plus side, they're all PNB's in training, and
not *one* of them tried to regale me with the Wonders of Gestation
discussions. One didn't even "announce" her pregnancy, but rather simply
acknowledged it when people asked about her changing midsection.
Renee
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Fab4Fan99
>Fairly simple patterns are also probably fairly ugly. Am I right that all
>simple patterns are dresses or skirts? I don't wear these, so it would be
>complete waste of money, time and energy.
My wife's done some pants. I couldn't tell you how "simple" they are,
however--her trying to tell me about "simple" sewing is like me trying to tell
her about "simple" songs on the guitar. Sorry, does not compute. <G>
Frank
Beautiful Downtown Beverly, MA KA1WZH GO RED SOX!!!
"Hard work is for people who are short on talent"--George Carlin
"I prefer to have skaters who do not struggle with elements"--Tamara Moskvina
"If I could, I would, let it go"--Bono
naomi pardue
Andrea Luttgen (dj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
> >> : Yes, I believe that everyone CAN. Some people just don't choose to learn
> >> : how, or practice until they have mastered the skill.
> >> Or don't have the time?
> >
> > Or rather, choose to spend their time differently. (You COULD quit your
> > job and start sewing ... ;-)) There are 24 hours in every day.
>
> wifey stay home to do the cooking, cleaning, and of course, sewing.
>
Sure. If that's what works best for that family. Nothing wrong with it.
Naomi
naomi pardue
Andrea Luttgen (dj...@FreeNet.Carleton.CA) wrote:
>
>
> Fairly simple patterns are also probably fairly ugly.
No, they are not fairly ugly. (Frankly, some of the UGLIEST patterns I've
seen are the 'advanced' styles in the Vogue pattern book!)
Am I right that all
> simple patterns are dresses or skirts?
No. You can also find simple patterns for shirts. (And for pants, once
you grasp the basic contruction.)
I don't wear these, so it would be
> complete waste of money, time and energy.
>
As I recall, you were not one of the people posting about how hard it
is to find decent clothes off the rack. If you can find clothes that fit
and look good, great. For those who cannot, and like having a nice
sized wardrobe, sewing is a way to get what they need.
> Besides, if all those of us who don't fit standard sizes start, sewing it's
> going to be counterproductive. Less sales of large (or small) sizes -->
> less will be ordered for the next season --> even less choices for those
> for whom sewing isn't an option.
I am not selfless enough to spend an arm and a leg for poorly contructed
clothing just so OTHER people will be able to buy the same expensive
poorly contructed clothing next season.
Naomi
Linda Dachtyl
Right now I am wearing a lime green t-shirt. I have been painting a
room!;-)........
Linda
Rabbit
Linda Dachtyl wrote:
I have a bright lime fleecy shirt. When we go to outdoor flea markets, I
usually wear a black and gray jacket, and my husband complains that he can never
find me. So he bought me the shirt to make me easier to spot.
Rabbit
(Who loves wearing bright colors)
Linda Dachtyl
Andrea Luttgen wrote:
>
> X-No-Archive: yes
>
> Linda Dachtyl (lind...@earthlink.net) writes:
> > Right now I am wearing a lime green t-shirt. I have been painting a
> > room!;-)........
>
No! Although, that would be fine.....but not for this room.
Linda