Yeah, she *did* give him a ride home . . ..
elizabeth
Francisco-AP) -- San Francisco police were surprised when they checked
out a parked car with steamed-up windows and found a 14-year-old
student and his teacher -- both stark naked.
Thirty-year-old teacher Nieka Arreola told police she was giving the
boy a ride home. Police booked her Thursday afternoon on three counts
of lewd and lascivious acts on a minor.
The student was a teacher's aide at Luther Burbank Middle School,
where the woman has worked in the after-school program.
School district officials aren't saying much about the incident, other
than that they have opened their own investigation.
Teacher, student naked in car
S.F. police arrest 30-year-old woman in park with boy, 14
Jaxon Van Derbeken, Chronicle Staff Writer
Saturday, February 21, 2004
A 30-year-old San Francisco schoolteacher faces lewd conduct charges
after being caught naked in a car after school with a 14-year-old
Luther Burbank Middle School student, authorities said Friday.
At 5:30 p.m. Thursday, patrol officers driving in an area of McLaren
Park known for drugs and prostitution spotted a car with steamed
windows, suggesting either drug or sexual activity, according to Capt.
Frank O'Malley of the Police Department's Juvenile Division.
Upon checking the car, which was parked at John F. Shelley Drive and
Cambridge Street, officers found Nieka Arreola and the unidentified
student, who worked as an aide in a classroom at Luther Burbank,
undressed in the car. Arreola reportedly told police she was giving
the boy a ride home. She was booked on three counts with lewd and
lascivious acts on a minor.
The school district has started its own probe in the wake of the
arrest.
"The school district is shocked and saddened by the allegations,''
according to a statement issued by Roqua Montez, district spokesman.
Montez declined to discuss the employee's assignment. However,
according to the district's Web site, in October Arreola was named
lead teacher in the after-school program at Burbank.
Montez said the employee had been ordered not to come to work pending
completion of the investigation. He could not say whether she had
actually been suspended or how long she had been employed by the
district, citing confidentiality rules.
"We are highly alarmed about this case -- we are investigating the
depth and scope of this particular matter,'' Montez said.
He said that parents, teachers and administrator had been notified
Friday of the incident. He said resource counselors would be on hand
Monday to assist students and faculty.
J.D. Spangler
efra...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=1657911&nav=5D7iKzDB(San
>Francisco-AP) -- San Francisco police were surprised when they checked
>out a parked car with steamed-up windows and found a 14-year-old
>student and his teacher -- both stark naked.
>
>Thirty-year-old teacher Nieka Arreola told police she was giving the
>boy a ride home. Police booked her Thursday afternoon on three counts
>of lewd and lascivious acts on a minor.
Man. Talk about incentive to do your homework.
--
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Stella Hackell
> http://www.kron4.com/Global/story.asp?S=1657911&nav=5D7iKzDB(San
> Francisco-AP) -- San Francisco police were surprised when they checked
> out a parked car with steamed-up windows and found a 14-year-old
> student and his teacher -- both stark naked.
I thought 14-year-old boys were pretty cute--when i was 14. But I
cannot imagine why an adult woman would want to screw around with
a 14-year-old. I just cannot imagine.
>
> Thirty-year-old teacher Nieka Arreola told police she was giving the
> boy a ride home.
Whoa, is that really her last name?
Stella
J. Peter Mugaas
>[snip]
>I thought 14-year-old boys were pretty cute--when i was 14. But I
>cannot imagine why an adult woman would want to screw around with
>a 14-year-old. I just cannot imagine.
I can imagine it because I've read about where it happens. It's
really simple, the teacher has power over a pupil and can exploit that
their own advantage. Some relationships such as pupil/teacher,
client/therapist, client/attorney, patient/physician, child/parent,
and employee/employer are by their nature, unequal. There is either a
legal power or the person in a superior position is charged with
putting the weaker parties interest above their own (a position of
trust).
The person with power can easily exploit the weaker person. Some
people do that out of a predatory desire and a few people enter such
professions just for that very reason. Others do it because it's very
easy and they are dispirit to fill their own needs (without thinking
of the consequences). Sometimes, a boundary in such relationships is
crossed (or there is more than one relationship between the people)
and the person in the superior position uses poor judgment in handling
that. Consequences of this is a failure of the superior to look
objectively at the weaker person, the unequal relationship becomes
compromised (you can't have a close equal relationship with some
someone you have a close unequal relationship with at the same time),
and the weaker can be harmed.
Sorry for the rant but I just get ticked at this stuff and this
teacher knew better.
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Anthony
articles. i can't find any though. Man! How come I never got a
teacher like that! lol.
elizabeth
> I keep trying to find a picture of the teacher in one of the news
> articles. i can't find any though. Man! How come I never got a
> teacher like that! lol.
Keep looking. She was on TV last night, and the cameras were all
waiting for her at 850 Bryant this morning.
Atalanta Pendragonne
>Tiger...@myway.com (Anthony) wrote in message news:<d8a2a006.04022...@posting.google.com>...
>> I keep trying to find a picture of the teacher in one of the news
>> articles. i can't find any though. Man! How come I never got a
>> teacher like that! lol.
>
Of course, if it had been a female student and a male teacher, no-one
would be saying that.
Atalanta Pendragonne
"Some days I feel like my shadow's casting me"
J.D. Spangler
atal...@hotmail.com says...
>
>
>
>>Tiger...@myway.com (Anthony) wrote in message
>>news:<d8a2a006.04022...@posting.google.com>...
>>> I keep trying to find a picture of the teacher in one of the news
>>> articles. i can't find any though. Man! How come I never got a
>>> teacher like that! lol.
>>
>
>Of course, if it had been a female student and a male teacher, no-one
>would be saying that.
Strange, isn't it? I haven't quite figured out why if it happened to me,
I'd be telling the story happily for years, but if it was my sister,
everyone would assume she was taken advantage of no matter how willing
she was. Some serious double standards going on there but I don't know
who is really getting the worse end of the deal... girls for people
underestimating their sexuality or boys for people assuming they were
automatically willing.
Jason G
>
>Strange, isn't it? I haven't quite figured out why if it happened to me,
>I'd be telling the story happily for years, but if it was my sister,
>everyone would assume she was taken advantage of no matter how willing
>she was. Some serious double standards going on there but I don't know
>who is really getting the worse end of the deal... girls for people
>underestimating their sexuality or boys for people assuming they were
>automatically willing.
>
Dude, call me a pig, but in my ignorant male chauvinist opinion, if a kid pops
a boner and bangs the teacher, that ain't rape. It's hard to be taken
advantage of if it requires you to be sporting a stiffy to do it.
--
Jason "Anatomy Matters" G
J. Peter Mugaas
wrote:
> [snip]
>Strange, isn't it? I haven't quite figured out why if it happened to me,
>I'd be telling the story happily for years, but if it was my sister,
>everyone would assume she was taken advantage of no matter how willing
>she was.
The big thing is this, it is not right no matter what sex you are
talking about. The presumption is this, with someone under a specific
age, this person is not competent to consent to having sex. Making
this worse is that you have an inherently unequal relationship between
a teacher and a student where the teacher exerts a lot of influence
over the student. Influence in a standard student/teacher
relationship is actually part of the student learning from the
teacher.
The bottom line is this, teachers shouldn't have sex with their
students. Period. I could see some situations where it may be
legitimate for a teacher and ex-student to have a relationship if both
are on an equal ground. You do not want a sexual relationship to
disrupt the learning experience.
Someone who teaches in a high-school should know as part of their
certification something about adolescent development (including things
such as sexual conflict, formation of identity, restructuring of the
parent/child relationship, and gaining of independence from parents).
This teacher should've been aware of the kind of influence she has
over her students. In other words, this teacher should have known
better and I don't have any sympathy for her. It would be the same
with a male teacher and a girl.
J. Peter Mugaas
> [snip]
>Dude, call me a pig, but in my ignorant male chauvinist opinion, if a kid pops
>a boner and bangs the teacher, that ain't rape.
I can honestly see that in an equal relationship. Unfortunately, a
student/teacher relationship is not an equal situation. You have a
student who is maturing and a teacher who should know that a student
is maturing and that they are in a position where they influence the
student.
> It's hard to be taken
>advantage of if it requires you to be sporting a stiffy to do it.
Actually, I can several situations where that can happen. A person
goes to a therapist for help with a problem and the therapist uses
information from this client to gain an advantage for themselves such
as getting sex. I have actually read about attorney's having sex with
client's going through a divorce (now to give you some idea, that
causes an attorney to be part of that case as a witness for the other
side - as in adultery and the attorney is probably using information
from the client to do this while knowing the client is distressed by
the situation). It can also happen in a physician patient
relationship in a similar way while the patient is under the
physician's care. These professions require that the professional
look at the client's position in an objective manner with distance and
that becomes hard when the professional is also intimate with the
client with a personal stake in the outcome.
Jason G
>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:59:37 GMT, no...@none.com (Jason G) wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>>Dude, call me a pig, but in my ignorant male chauvinist opinion, if a kid pops
>>a boner and bangs the teacher, that ain't rape.
>
>I can honestly see that in an equal relationship. Unfortunately, a
>student/teacher relationship is not an equal situation. You have a
>student who is maturing and a teacher who should know that a student
>is maturing and that they are in a position where they influence the
>student.
It might not be right, but it's not rape.
--
Jason G
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SHARX.
> On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:59:37 GMT, no...@none.com (Jason G) wrote:
>
>> [snip]
>> Dude, call me a pig, but in my ignorant male chauvinist opinion, if
>> a kid pops a boner and bangs the teacher, that ain't rape.
>
> I can honestly see that in an equal relationship. Unfortunately, a
> student/teacher relationship is not an equal situation. You have a
> student who is maturing and a teacher who should know that a student
> is maturing and that they are in a position where they influence the
> student.
Spare us the liberal crap. I'd thought I'd died and gone to heaven, in high
school, if I could have put it to several of my teachers.
J. Peter Mugaas
> J. Peter Mugaas <oma0...@mail.wvnet.edu> made obeisance before Us and spake thusly:
>>On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 06:59:37 GMT, no...@none.com (Jason G) wrote:
>>
>>> [snip]
>>>Dude, call me a pig, but in my ignorant male chauvinist opinion, if a kid pops
>>>a boner and bangs the teacher, that ain't rape.
>>
>>I can honestly see that in an equal relationship. Unfortunately, a
>>student/teacher relationship is not an equal situation. You have a
>>student who is maturing and a teacher who should know that a student
>>is maturing and that they are in a position where they influence the
>>student.
>
>It might not be right, but it's not rape.
>
I was confusing two types of wrongs can apply to the situation and I
wasn't helped because I was ticked off at hearing this entire mess.
1) Someone in a superior position or a position of trust exploiting
that to get sex. That has some obvious reasonings.
2) Statutory Rape - assuming the guy is under the age of consent.
This is arbitrary in the law and while it can be argued, there is
reasoning behind this in that a child may not have the capacity to
consent to sex. While it may be clear cut in the case of an eight
year old boy with with a teacher, it might not be as clear with a 12,
13, 14, or 15 year old boy. The law to define a fixed cut-off point.
Other forms of incopacity include mental retardation (where the person
is not menally capable of giving consent to sex), where someone is
intoxicated (ever heard of the frat-boy approach where some guy would
get a women drunk just to have sex with her), and where a victim may
be helpless (I heard a few stories of nurses who have taken advantage
of some patients that way).
Sheena
>In article <403d09d8...@news-server.austin.rr.com>,
>atal...@hotmail.com says...
>>
>>
>>
>>>Tiger...@myway.com (Anthony) wrote in message
>>>news:<d8a2a006.04022...@posting.google.com>...
>>>> I keep trying to find a picture of the teacher in one of the news
>>>> articles. i can't find any though. Man! How come I never got a
>>>> teacher like that! lol.
>>>
>>
>>Of course, if it had been a female student and a male teacher, no-one
>>would be saying that.
>
>Strange, isn't it? I haven't quite figured out why if it happened to me,
>I'd be telling the story happily for years, but if it was my sister,
>everyone would assume she was taken advantage of no matter how willing
>she was. Some serious double standards going on there but I don't know
>who is really getting the worse end of the deal... girls for people
>underestimating their sexuality or boys for people assuming they were
>automatically willing.
Ignoring for a moment the unequal relationship, part of the problem is
this: girls are taught (along with society) that their virginity is
something to be treasured. Once that is lost, you are spoiled goods.
</insert generalization> Fathers are proud when boys nail their first
piece. Girls are shamed and told it is something to hide and that life
will never be the same again.
J. Peter Mugaas
wrote:
>[snip]
>Spare us the liberal crap. I'd thought I'd died and gone to heaven, in high
>school, if I could have put it to several of my teachers.
>
But how mature would you have been for such a relationship at 13, 14,
or 15 years old? There are reasons why you have statutory rape laws.
They come down to one thing, capability to consent to sex. In the
case of age, it is an arbitrary cut off point which can argued (and is
argued). At 8 or 9, a child probably isn't capable of giving consent.
The law can't know the point at which a person is sexually mature so
the cut-off point is used. There are some times where a person may
not be able to consent to sex. You may have someone who is so
retarded that they lack such capability. You may have someone who is
intoxicated (quite a number of guys could wind being charged with rape
for a women being drunk and them having sex -the frat boy approach-
the law may presume the women is not capable). Then you may have
someone who is physically unable to consent (unconscious, bedridden)
and someone takes advantage. These can also happen to men as well as
women.
Even assuming capability to consent, there is still a wrong in a
teacher having a sexual relationship with a student. The relationship
is unequal by it's nature and the teacher in their role exerts
influence over a student. Then you have situations where one person
has a duty to put the other person's interests ahead of their own and
in order to be effective, they may have to have some intimate details
about you (while you don't usually have the same details about them)
and they have to hold those personal details in trust. They have a
duty to evaluate a situation from an objective distance (hard to do
when you are sexually intimate with that person). The relationships
I'm talking about include the client/therapist relationship, the
patient/physician relationship, and client/attorney relationships
(particularly in domestic law). The person receiving services from
such people are often harmed by this and professionals have lost their
licenses for this type because of that potential for harm.
stePH
> It's hard to be taken
> advantage of if it requires you to be sporting a stiffy to do it.
The movie THURSDAY in one scene illustrates how female-on-male rape is
possible.
stePH
--
"A lion will exert himself to the utmost, even when entering the tiger's
den to throw baby rabbits off a cliff!" -- Moroboshi Ataru
Jason G
>Jason G wrote:
>
>> It's hard to be taken
>> advantage of if it requires you to be sporting a stiffy to do it.
>
>The movie THURSDAY in one scene illustrates how female-on-male rape is
>possible.
Haven't seen it, so don't know what you are talking about.
stePH
> stePH <acet...@earthlink.net> made obeisance before Us and spake thusly:
>
>>Jason G wrote:
>>
>>
>>>It's hard to be taken
>>>advantage of if it requires you to be sporting a stiffy to do it.
>>
>>The movie THURSDAY in one scene illustrates how female-on-male rape is
>>possible.
>
>
> Haven't seen it, so don't know what you are talking about.
>
The man (played by Thomas Jane) is tied to a chair while the woman
(forgot the actress' name) has her way with him.
Jason G
>(forgot the actress' name) has her way with him.
>
Are we talking about PIV intercourse? Were there erection drugs involved?
What kind of man can get hard when terrified? I sure can't.
Again, the female teacher-male student sex may be wrong, but it isn't rape in
the real nonconsensual sense
Jadite
> atal...@hotmail.com says ...
> >> Anthony wrote ...
> >>> I keep trying to find a picture of the teacher
> >>> in one of the news articles. i can't find any
> >>> though. Man! How come I never got a
> >>> teacher like that! lol.
> >>
> >
> > Of course, if it had been a female student and a
> > male teacher, no-one would be saying that.
>
> Strange, isn't it? I haven't quite figured out why if it
> happened to me, I'd be telling the story happily for
> years, but if it was my sister, everyone would assume
> she was taken advantage of no matter how willing
> she was. Some serious double standards going on
> there but I don't know who is really getting the worse
> end of the deal... girls for people underestimating their
> sexuality or boys for people assuming they were
> automatically willing.
Oddly enough, currently we have a local case of a teacher-student
relationship that's been generating a lot of comment.
In this situation, it was a female student who was 16 when she
got involved with her male teacher, age 25 at the time. All
indications are that it was pretty much of a mutual seduction,
and she was just as much to blame in the matter as he was. (Cue
"Don't Stand So Close To Me" by Sting.)
The teacher resigned under pressure so the district couldn't
impose discipline on him. He is being reported to the state board
of education and will, in all probability, lose his teaching
license. Furthermore, the state police performed an
investigation, and he is going to be sent to court on a
misdemeanor charge of corrupting a minor.
Now, this teacher was apparently very popular with students and
faculty alike. Some of the students are angry at their classmate
for "throwing herself at him" and taking their teacher away.
There is some resentment towards the girl in the school community
because she is heading off to college out of the area next year,
so can leave the past behind and make a fresh start, while the
teacher's career is pretty much shot to hell.
There's been a lot of sympathy for the teacher because he is
young, fairly good-looking, and had a very promising future in
the field of education. There has also been a lot of commentary
along the lines of, well, teenage girls dress and act so
provocatively these days, it was probably hard for him to resist.
There would have been no problem whatsoever if the teacher had
waited until the student turned 18 and graduated, and then
entered into a relationship with her. As it stands, regardless of
the fact that this particular relationship was consensual, it was
wrong for the teacher to respond to/encourage the student's
advances.
School districts have policies against inappropriate
teacher-student contact, and the teacher broke his employer's
rules. In some respects, it is no different than any other
employee who violates his or her company's most stringent
policies and must face the disciplinary consequences. But in
other respects, it is very different, and rather more serious. A
teacher is an authority figure, a role model, and is acting _in
loco parentis_, so therefore has a certain moral/ethical
responsibility towards the students in his or her charge.
Jadite
>
> The big thing is this, it is not right no matter what sex
> you are talking about. The presumption is this, with
> someone under a specific age, this person is not
> competent to consent to having sex. Making this worse
> is that you have an inherently unequal relationship
> between a teacher and a student where the teacher
> exerts a lot of influence over the student. Influence
> in a standard student/teacher relationship is actually
> part of the student learning from the teacher.
>
> The bottom line is this, teachers shouldn't have sex
> with their students. Period. I could see some situations
> where it may be legitimate for a teacher and ex-student
> to have a relationship if both are on an equal ground.
> You do not want a sexual relationship to disrupt the
> learning experience.
>
> Someone who teaches in a high-school should know
> as part of their certification something about adolescent
> development (including things such as sexual conflict,
> formation of identity, restructuring of the parent/child
> relationship, and gaining of independence from parents).
> This teacher should've been aware of the kind of influence
> she has over her students. In other words, this teacher
> should have known better and I don't have any sympathy
> for her.
Very well said. I agree with this psot.
> It would be the same with a male teacher and a girl.
I just posted above about that very situation, which happened in
my area recently.
Lynda
>the fact that this particular relationship was consensual, it was
>wrong for the teacher to respond to/encourage the student's
>advances.
I have no sympathy for him - if the teacher was prone to sleep with his
underage student at least once, he's prone to do it again. That behavior is
very unethical even if it is consensual.
Lynda
Jadite
> Jadite wrote ...
>
> > Now, this teacher was apparently very popular with
> > students and faculty alike. Some of the students are
> > angry at their classmate for "throwing herself at him"
> > and taking their teacher away.
>
> messing up their class ranks? A la "if she got the B she
> deserved instead of an A for doing him then I'd be
> valedictorian instead of her!" Or was sexual grade
> inflation not part of the scandal?
Nope, it wasn't. She was not in his class, but apparently there
was some sort of tutorial deal going on, and I believe he was the
advisor for one of the extracurricular activities she was
involved in. From what I hear, she was a good student -- high
GPA, a class officer, involved in sports and school activities.
But you've brought up another excellent reason teachers should
never get involved with students.
J. Peter Mugaas
wrote:
>[snip]
>Nope, it wasn't. She was not in his class, but apparently there
>was some sort of tutorial deal going on, and I believe he was the
>advisor for one of the extracurricular activities she was
>involved in. From what I hear, she was a good student -- high
>GPA, a class officer, involved in sports and school activities.
>
I hope that she is transfered to another school. I know it sounds
harsh and unfair, but it may be the best thing because:
1) She has new teachers and can start on a clean slate
2) It would probably be harder for her to continue in the same school
given what happened.
3) She could have a clean slate with a new peer group.
4) She may teachers who are distant enough from the situation so they
can set better bounderies and could treat the situation more
neutrolly.
5) She may be able to get counseling and therapy from someone who does
not have a relationship with the original school. That could be
important because a school counselor working for the original school
could wind up in conflicting roles where loyalties could pit against
eachother (her duty to the school vs. her duty to her client) which is
also important if the school itself is liable for that teacher's
conduct.
I know that I sound like someone urging the school to deny education.
Bzzt, I'm sorry, too late. It already happened.
>But you've brought up another excellent reason teachers should
>never get involved with students.
>
Amen.
No kids 4 you
>impose discipline on him. He is being reported to the state board
>of education and will, in all probability, lose his teaching
>license. Furthermore, the state police performed an
>investigation, and he is going to be sent to court on a
>misdemeanor charge of corrupting a minor.
At least they are investigating, and hopefully following through with a
punishment that fits. Very unlike the stupid (Catholic) grade school that I
went to.
One of the female teachers had a pizza/slumber party at her house as a reward
for good reading. All the girls from her (5th grade) class were invited.
After we had our sleeping bags laid out she thought it would be a good time to
start teaching us about sex ed etc. Part of her "lesson" was to demo tampon
inserting. There she was doing the spread eagle with all her glory right out
there in the open. It didn't leave me scarred for life or anything like that,
but it was gross. Rather than punish her, it was all quietly brushed under the
rug, Catholic school style. She was replaced by another winner. And I swear I
am not making this up. The woman who replaced her was formerly known as Sister
Rose Rita until she left the life of a nun to get married...to a man in jail
for murdering his wife! I don't think that idiot lasted longer than the
remainder of that school year.
Fast forward about twenty years. I get a phone call from the church decon,
deacon(?). He wants to know if I think Mr. X[who now happens to have moved up
from English teacher to the coveted position of school principal] had ever
abused anyone to my knowledge. WTF? I asked the decon why he wasn't
consulting with the police. He assures me that thye will do *everything*
possible to find out if the alligations are true. The next thing I hear is
that the principal had retired. Another swift recovery at Catholic school.
And people wonder why I never go to church. Why in the hell would I want to be
linked to that kind of activity?
J.W.T. Meakin
@mail.wvnet.edu says...
> >
> I hope that she is transfered to another school. I know it sounds
> harsh and unfair, but it may be the best thing because:
> not have a relationship with the original school.
Why should she need either? Bill.
J. Peter Mugaas
wrote:
>[snip]
>Why should she need either? Bill.
I would think that she may need it because:
1) She may have experienced some psychological trauma that could
effect her relationships with others. Some people who suffered abuse
do tend to be mistrustful. There are some reactions to trauma such as
shame, rage, and depression. We are not talking about appropriate
guilt for one's own misdeeds. We are talking about guilt some other
people may lay on this person and guilt she may feel for a
"wrongdoing" or for not seeing abuse (a 16 year old is very
unsophisticated about such things). An abuser will often try to lay a
guilt trip on victim to keep the victim from complaining to
authorities and to justify things in their own mind (some abusive
people will offer up all sorts of justifications and excuses - it is
never "their fault" - it's always someone else's fault).
2) She got poor modeling from this teacher and a boundary was violated
to her detriment. She may be confused about a teacher's proper role.
She may think that a teacher is supposed to be her best friend and
lover.
3) She may have some hard tasks ahead of her such as facing the abuser
in court or administrative hearings. She will have to talk about what
happened to her in great detail in front of the accuser and the
accuser's lawyer in addition to a prosecutor and a judge (or
administrative hearing officer).
4) The teacher may have been a significant model in her life.
5) She has to come to terms with everything that has happened and move
forward in life. This type of task is never easy.
I said what I did not because I think she's sick (I can tell you is
probably a whole lot sicker) but because of damage done and she may
need help putting the pieces back together.
Jadite
> oma0...@mail.wvnet.edu says...
> > I hope that she is transfered to another school. I
> > know it sounds harsh and unfair, but it may be the
> > best thing because:
> > ...
> > 5) She may be able to get counseling and therapy
> > from someone who does not have a relationship
> > with the original school.
>
> Why should she need either? Bill.
I would sincerely doubt she does. If anyone needs counseling,
it's probably the teacher in question.
Here's another part to the story: the girl allegedly had a group
of friends she would call up and regale with tales of her
adventures with the teacher. She also allegedly had affairs with
at least two of her classmates.
stePH
> stePH <acet...@earthlink.net> made obeisance before Us and spake thusly:
>
>>The man (played by Thomas Jane) is tied to a chair while the woman
>>(forgot the actress' name) has her way with him.
>>
>
>
> Are we talking about PIV intercourse?
As far as I could tell.
> Were there erection drugs involved?
"There's no way you'll ever get me inside you."
"Wanna bet?"
Apparently she went down on him to get him hard.
naomi
wrote:
>Jason G wrote:
>
>> stePH <acet...@earthlink.net> made obeisance before Us and spake thusly:
>>
>>>The man (played by Thomas Jane) is tied to a chair while the woman
>>>(forgot the actress' name) has her way with him.
>>>
>>
>>
>> Are we talking about PIV intercourse?
>
>As far as I could tell.
>
>> Were there erection drugs involved?
>
>"There's no way you'll ever get me inside you."
>"Wanna bet?"
>
>Apparently she went down on him to get him hard.
This is probably UL, but I have heard it is physiologically possible
to force a completely un-aroused man to have an instant erection.
Apparently it involves some combination of the following words and
phrases: "blunt object"; "ram forcefully"; "asshole"; and "get the
angle just right."
Now I'm not a guy, but if I were, I think that combination would
induce the exact opposite of an erection. I'm just passing along a
story that I heard somewhere from a FOAFOAF. If someone can confirm or
(preferably) debunk this, I'd be much obliged, and I'm sure our male
members would be much relieved. :-P
Naomi
Jason G
>This is probably UL, but I have heard it is physiologically possible
>to force a completely un-aroused man to have an instant erection.
>Apparently it involves some combination of the following words and
>phrases: "blunt object"; "ram forcefully"; "asshole"; and "get the
>angle just right."
>
>Now I'm not a guy, but if I were, I think that combination would
>induce the exact opposite of an erection. I'm just passing along a
>story that I heard somewhere from a FOAFOAF. If someone can confirm or
>(preferably) debunk this, I'd be much obliged, and I'm sure our male
>members would be much relieved. :-P
>
Unless the guy is really rarin' for some assplay and that gives him an excuse
to fulfill a fantasy, that is bullshit. More likely, some FOAFOAF got off on
the bondage/domination angle and enjoyed himself, hence, not rape.
Rape <> "Wow, this is so hot and is making me so horny."
Stress, fear, terror = Mister Softee. Period. If a man is truly being
violated, threatened, and really doesn't like it, there is no damn way
"Poppin' a Woodie" rises to the top of the To Do List.
Can a man be raped? Sure. But not with him sportin' a stiffy and
having PIV sex unless there is some bizarro nerve-induction shenanigans going
on or something else outta Japanese sci-fi comic porn.
Do women rape victims get engorged and wet and horny? I'm thinking not. Same
deal.
Chrys
news:c26c79$1op7d5$1...@ID-222664.news.uni-berlin.de...
> Unless the guy is really rarin' for some assplay and that gives him an
excuse
> to fulfill a fantasy, that is bullshit. More likely, some FOAFOAF got
off on
> the bondage/domination angle and enjoyed himself, hence, not rape.
>
> Rape <> "Wow, this is so hot and is making me so horny."
>
> Stress, fear, terror = Mister Softee. Period. If a man is truly being
> violated, threatened, and really doesn't like it, there is no damn way
> "Poppin' a Woodie" rises to the top of the To Do List.
>
> Can a man be raped? Sure. But not with him sportin' a stiffy and
> having PIV sex unless there is some bizarro nerve-induction shenanigans
going
> on or something else outta Japanese sci-fi comic porn.
>
> Do women rape victims get engorged and wet and horny? I'm thinking not.
Same
> deal.
The definition of rape is that the victim was unwilling. It's not that
the victim's body didn't respond to what the rapist did. Occasionally
actually yes, some female rape victims do have some pleasurable feelings
during. That doesn't make the rape then acceptable because their body had
a reaction and it requires a lot of counseling dealing with the fact
later.
Jason G
>
>The definition of rape is that the victim was unwilling.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree that a man with an erection having PIV
sex with a woman is unwilling.
Chrys
> "Chrys" <notarea...@lycos.com> made obeisance before Us and spake
thusly:
> >
> >The definition of rape is that the victim was unwilling.
>
> I guess we'll have to agree to disagree that a man with an erection
having PIV
> sex with a woman is unwilling.
The situation was that he's tied up and unable to leave? Then he's at
fault because his body responded and the fact that he said no meant
nothing?
I've had plenty of times when I've felt in the mood physically and said no
because mentally I didn't want to for whatever reason, or wanted to
mentally but my body didn't feel in the mood. Not everyone has their
brain and body perfectly in sync.
Judging the rape victim though on the fact that their body became aroused
gets us right back into the old rationale that the victim was asking for
it and saying no means nothing if the victim wanted what was coming to
them.
Jason G
>fault because his body responded and the fact that he said no meant
>nothing?
>
>I've had plenty of times when I've felt in the mood physically and said no
>because mentally I didn't want to for whatever reason, or wanted to
>mentally but my body didn't feel in the mood.
That has buggerall to do with rape.
>
>Judging the rape victim though on the fact that their body became aroused
>gets us right back into the old rationale that the victim was asking for
>it and saying no means nothing if the victim wanted what was coming to
>them.
Whatever. Your waving of the bloody panties about the historical disrespect
given to the claims of female rape victims has exactly jack shit to do with a
guy porking a chick and then claiming HE was raped. I still maintain that
being the penetrator is fundamentally different from being the penetrated in a
hypothetical rape scenario.
News flash: Men and women are different!