Lisa Beamer on CNN - aren't her 15 up yet???
Kimothee
kiddos on her own, shoots out the 3rd, baybee howls on TV, and all
they talk about is her raising them on her own...
What, is she the only single moo widow out there? And What Would Todd
Think If He Were Here?
Oh, and there is a foundation in his name and she got more cash when
baybee was born!
Ok, now for Daniel Pearl's widow....at least she doesn't seem to be
'glowing' in the spotlight...and her husband died in the most painful
way possible...that's sad....(at least Lisa's got to say
goodbye)...and seems more of the "deal with the hands you're dealt"
type.
Just grousing,
//Kimothee
IleneB
<k...@kimothee.com> wrote:
> Ok, now for Daniel Pearl's widow....at least she doesn't seem to be
> 'glowing' in the spotlight...
I saw a clip of Pres.Bush saying, "And we feel sorry most of all for
the unborn child, who will only know his father through other people's
memories."
Doncha think it will be a lot more painful to be the widow of a man who
was gruesomely and publicly murdered? A man who obviously was the
deareswt soulmate of his wife? Will Bush *never* stop?
Lisa Beamer is annoying the crap out of me, too. There are many
bereaved people, including the 9/11 attacks, and others. Every day. Her
husband (along with others) acted heroically, which is very
awe-inspiring. She survives him. Why are we listening to her, because
of his coattails? Didn't his parents have more to making him the man he
was? Why aren't they splashed all over TV? How about the gay partner of
one of the other genuinely heroic people? Why doesn't he start a
foundation?
It really rags me how so often when someone dies
unfairly/unjustly/whatever, the survivors a) make a foundation, not
clear what the goal is and/or b) try to get a law passed. (I'm thinking
of someone whose kid died in the Oklahoma bombing. She wanted a law
that all federal daycare centers should have blastproof windows. Etc.)
Now, a scholarship or something in someone's *memory*- that I can
understand. When Carol DiMaiti Stuart was killed by her husband and
some acomplice here in Boston, there was a firestorm of racial ugliness
because her husband claimed a black man had done it. The DiMaitis
started a scholarship fund in Carol's name in the aggrieved
neighborhood, saying they didn't want people to remember Carol only for
the way she died. I thought it was an incredibly class move (and a real
relief when dear husband jumped off the Tobin Bridge).
Is the Beamer foundation going to examine the roots of heroism? Give
scholarships to heroes? Make sure that surviving mothers and children
don't have to go to work or public school ever?
Ilene B
Gutterboy
>Why are we listening to her, because
>of his coattails? Didn't his parents have more to making him the man he
>was? Why aren't they splashed all over TV? How about the gay partner of
>one of the other genuinely heroic people? Why doesn't he start a
>foundation?
>
Silly Ilene. Because none of those situations involve a BAYBEE!
>
>Is the Beamer foundation going to examine the roots of heroism? Give
>scholarships to heroes? Make sure that surviving mothers and children
>don't have to go to work or public school ever?
From the foundation's website:
"The organization has been created to support
- families, especially children, directly affected by the September 11th, 2001
terrorist attacks and any future terrorist attacks and acts of war,
- disaster relief agencies,
- charities supporting children,
- charities who strive to instill a message of hope, peace, courage, strength
and faith - and other charitable purposes and organizations."
Basically, it stands for everything, especially when baybees are involved. But
if you stand for everything, don't you really stand for nothing?
Also from the site:
"9-Jan-02
We would like to announce the birth of Morgan Kay Beamer, 7lbs. 20 inches. Born
at 2:05 pm January 9th 2002
While Lisa is grateful for the outpouring of support and the thoughtfulness of
others at the arrival of her new baby, she asks that in lieu of baby gifts,
interested individuals make a donation to the Todd M. Beamer Foundation or send
a gift in honor of Lisa or the baby to a charity in their local areas that
supports children."
Translation: Lisa had a baybee, so open your wallet and make a donation in her
name to a charity.
I predict this is either going to a) shrivel and die within a year; or b)
because a very lucrative project for Ms. Beamer.
Gutterboy
---
"[C]hildren are always rude and unruly. that is their nature. stay at home and
order pizza, if it really bothers you that much."" -- Breeder on the defense
Kimothee
> I saw a clip of Pres.Bush saying, "And we feel sorry most of all for
> the unborn child, who will only know his father through other people's
> memories."
>
> Doncha think it will be a lot more painful to be the widow of a man who
> was gruesomely and publicly murdered? A man who obviously was the
> deareswt soulmate of his wife? Will Bush *never* stop?
I COMPLETELY agree with that! Read more below:
I think the other difference with the WP reporter's wife is that she
was also a reporter, and they both knew the risks with her assignment.
I also don't get the impression that she likes the limelight.
In the CNN piece, Lisa also talked about her staying home to take care
of the kids, but seemingly had no plans to go back to work. I wonder
if her husband was wise enough to have purchased life insurance (since
it seems that they had a SAHM plan). I must confess that I have a real
bias against the white collared families that didn't plan for their
spouses, kids, houses, etc (the blue collar, or grey collar -
restaurant workers, etc - didn't have the opportunity to even purchase
such benefits in most cases). My DH is very well insured - we have no
children, I work part time, but would not have to worry about money
for quite some time if he died. He has enough on me to take an
extended leave of absence to mourn me (and find his new trophy wife).
So I'm curious as to how LB is functioning financially.
It's just like OKC - 168 people died, but all the media attention was
on the 15 or so children - were those lives not as valuable? Were they
not missed as much?
I'm not anti-child on this, I'm pro-human, regardless of age.
On the positive side, they are also talking to the CEO of Cantor
Fitzgerald, who is explaining how 25% of profits for the company are
going to the victim's families "for the long haul" (My guess is 10
years). He was saying how not only are they paying for the medical
insurance for the spouses and children, but they are also taking care
of fiancee's and domestic partnerships. That is really heartwarming to
know that these equally important and grieving folks are not forgotten
either.
I know there have been issues with this guy as well, what is he really
giving up, etc, but hell, at least someone is talking about the NON
CHYLDREN!
//Kimothee
>
Jbkred
>
>I think the other difference with the WP reporter's wife is that she
>was also a reporter, and they both knew the risks with her assignment.
>I also don't get the impression that she likes the limelight.
>
>In the CNN piece, Lisa also talked about her staying home to take care
>of the kids, but seemingly had no plans to go back to work. I wonder
>if her husband was wise enough to have purchased life insurance (since
>it seems that they had a SAHM plan). I must confess that I have a real
>bias against the white collared families that didn't plan for their
>spouses, kids, houses, etc (the blue collar, or grey collar -
>restaurant workers, etc - didn't have the opportunity to even purchase
>such benefits in most cases). My DH is very well insured - we have no
>children, I work part time, but would not have to worry about money
>for quite some time if he died. He has enough on me to take an
>extended leave of absence to mourn me (and find his new trophy wife).
>So I'm curious as to how LB is functioning financially.
>
I sometimes post on Fametracker.com and we were discussing people who's 15
minutes of fame should be up. I mentioned Lisa Beamer expecting to be flamed
big time. However, most of the posters agreed with me and mentioned how sick
they are of seeing this women. We think the reason why she's being sanctified
by the media is because she's a white, Christian, blonde, SAHM in the suburbs.
In other words-she's safe and non-threatening.
Mariane Pearl on the other hand seems different. She's a sharp, career-minded
reporter and she appears to be biracial. She also speaks with a non-American
accent. This may not go over very well with the soccer mommy set in suburbia,
USA.
Golightly Grrl
Jbkred
>bereaved people, including the 9/11 attacks, and others. Every day. Her
>husband (along with others) acted heroically, which is very
>awe-inspiring. She survives him. Why are we listening to her, because
>of his coattails? Didn't his parents have more to making him the man he
>was? Why aren't they splashed all over TV? How about the gay partner of
>one of the other genuinely heroic people? Why doesn't he start a
>foundation?
>
woman so much? If we're going to honor any women connected with Flight 93 why
not the flight attendants who were boiling water to throw on the highjackers
and who were probably trying to console and comfort the passengers.
Golightly Grrl
Jim Mowreader
> This is another thing that's been gnawing at me. Why are we honoring this
> woman so much? If we're going to honor any women connected with Flight 93 why
> not the flight attendants who were boiling water to throw on the highjackers
> and who were probably trying to console and comfort the passengers.
It's the baybee. That, and Dubya used Todd's dying words, "Let's Roll," as
the war cry for his Permanent War Against Everyone.
--
--jmowreader
xp...@earthlink.net
Congratulations to Ward Burton for winning the Daytona 500!
Dan B.
news:B89DB908.1126D%xp...@earthlink.net:
> It's the baybee. That, and Dubya used Todd's dying words, "Let's Roll,"
> as the war cry for his Permanent War Against Everyone.
Okay, I'll go ahead and ask the question that dare not be asked: Is there
any proof whatsoever, aside from Lisa Beamer saying so, that these words
were actually spoken by anyone on this flight? It sounds so propaganda
perfect I have a hard time believing it actually happened.
I also seem to recall there was some sort of trademark spat between
competing victim cash-grab foundations not so very long ago, too.
I don't know why those two words irritate me so, but they do. Sounds like
something the next door neighbor's almost-teen kid might say.
--
Dan B. - danbee...@yahoo.com
Corine Kling
Jbkred wrote:
I like her French accent, wish I had one myself...
Cori
Joann Evans
>
> Jim Mowreader <xp...@earthlink.net> wrote in
> news:B89DB908.1126D%xp...@earthlink.net:
>
> > It's the baybee. That, and Dubya used Todd's dying words, "Let's Roll,"
> > as the war cry for his Permanent War Against Everyone.
>
> Okay, I'll go ahead and ask the question that dare not be asked: Is there
> any proof whatsoever, aside from Lisa Beamer saying so, that these words
> were actually spoken by anyone on this flight? It sounds so propaganda
> perfect I have a hard time believing it actually happened.
Actually I believe it, simply *because* it's such a likely and common
expression. (Had he said the equally likely 'let's go,' and had this
happened a few years earlier, it would've been interesting as Chevorlet
was using the expression a lot, back then.)
Sol Taibi
>
> It's just like OKC - 168 people died, but all the media attention was
> on the 15 or so children - were those lives not as valuable? Were they
> not missed as much?
>
However, the death penalty was imposed for killing Federal
agents, not the children.
Liz C
jbk...@aol.com (Jbkred)
>Why are we honoring this woman so
>much?
Because Ms. Beamer has a much better PR person then the rest of the 3000
or so families of people that were killed.
I am still amazed sometimes that Todd Beamer seems to be the only one
that did anything that day. You never hear about anyone else (it is
always TB and others). In reality how do we know that he did a thing.
Not to take away from his memory but no one knows for sure that he did
anything but fortunately his wife and the media seems to have made him
hero #1.
Liz C
Liz C
danbee...@yahoo.com (Dan B.)
>It sounds so propaganda perfect I have a
>hard time believing it actually happened.
It does sound straight out of Central Casting, doesn't it. I also think
the President sounds like an idiot saying it!! (although for him that's
not a huge leap).
Liz C
Critter
> > This is another thing that's been gnawing at me. Why are we honoring
this
> > woman so much? If we're going to honor any women connected with Flight
93 why
> > not the flight attendants who were boiling water to throw on the
highjackers
> > and who were probably trying to console and comfort the passengers.
>
> It's the baybee. That, and Dubya used Todd's dying words, "Let's Roll," as
> the war cry for his Permanent War Against Everyone.
> --
I wish that instead of 'Let's roll.' he had said 'Let's kill the fuckers.'
Whenever I hear the first phrase I automatically mentally substitute
the second phrase.
Makes a good national motto or a good speech.
Lots42
>I am still amazed sometimes that Todd Beamer seems to be the only one
>that did anything that day. You never hear about anyone else (it is
>always TB and others). In reality how do we know that he did a thing.
Because he was talking to an emergencey operator beforehand?
You know, communicating with words.
Beamer is just one of the few whom we have proof did something. But notice how
all the non-psycho passengers on that flight were honored?
--
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Kent
: I am still amazed sometimes that Todd Beamer seems to be the only one
: that did anything that day. You never hear about anyone else (it is
: always TB and others). In reality how do we know that he did a thing.
: Not to take away from his memory but no one knows for sure that he did
: anything but fortunately his wife and the media seems to have made him
: hero #1.
In fact, the first "hero" from that plane I recall hearing about was Mark
Bingham. For a few days, that was the name being published as one of the
ones who "saved Democracy" or whatever spin was being put on it.
BUT--then it came out (so to speak) that Mark Bingham was GAY! Horrors! We
can't possibly have a known faggot being considered a hero!
Thankfully for Bush et al, Todd B turned out to have not only made a
"kewl" sounding sound bite, but he was also a Fundy (or borderline Fundy)
*AND* his wife was knocked up! Look no more for the newest Anointed One
from the GOP.
"Mark WHO??"
Kent
Liz C
lot...@aol.comaol.com (Lots42)
>Because he was talking to an emergencey
>operator beforehand?
>You know, communicating with words.
I'm not disputing he said "Let's Roll", I'm questioning why he is the
only one who seems to get any credit for doing anything. Just cause he
said "Let's Roll" doesn't mean after he dropped the phone that he did a
damn thing.
>Beamer is just one of the few whom we
>have proof did something.
What proof do we have other then him saying "Let's roll"?? The heros on
that flight could just as easily been someone we have never heard of as
Beamer.
Liz C
CatWoman
>
> >From: Li...@webtv.net (Liz C)
>
> >I am still amazed sometimes that Todd Beamer seems to be the only one
> >that did anything that day. You never hear about anyone else (it is
> >always TB and others). In reality how do we know that he did a thing.
>
> Because he was talking to an emergencey operator beforehand?
>
> You know, communicating with words.
>
> Beamer is just one of the few whom we have proof did something. But notice how
> all the non-psycho passengers on that flight were honored?
What gets me is that the first few reports that were coming out,
it was Mark Bingham's name that was mentioned most often. Now
you rarely hear about him - those 'family values', y'know - a
pregnant wife is much more acceptable than anyone a gay man
would have left.
Diana
Gutterboy
>What gets me is that the first few reports that were coming out,
>it was Mark Bingham's name that was mentioned most often. Now
>you rarely hear about him - those 'family values', y'know - a
>pregnant wife is much more acceptable than anyone a gay man
>would have left.
>
True. But maybe Bingham's survivors prefer to grieve in private instead of
getting within snivel distance of Larry King.
CatWoman
Great minds, and all that. I *think* I posted my version of
this exact same rant. In fact, I thought it was *MARK* who
had been making the phone call to the operator and had the
'memorable last words'.
They're both local, and even out *HERE*, in the SF Bay Area,
(I think Mark lived in Hayward?), we don't hear his name *ever*.
Diana - glad to know it wasn't my imagination.
CatWoman
>
> Wrote Diana:
>
> >What gets me is that the first few reports that were coming out,
> >it was Mark Bingham's name that was mentioned most often. Now
> >you rarely hear about him - those 'family values', y'know - a
> >pregnant wife is much more acceptable than anyone a gay man
> >would have left.
> >
>
> True. But maybe Bingham's survivors prefer to grieve in private instead of
> getting within snivel distance of Larry King.
Oh heavens - don't get me wrong - I'm not expecting any of
the others' survivors to be spewing all over the networks the
way Lisa is - she's taking advantage of the situation, that's
a given.
It's just that even when she's not around, Bingham and the
others who were mentioned early on seem to have vanished.
To hear the reports - Beamer was the one who marshalled the
forces and led the troops (which may have been the case - but
we'll never know for sure), and the others were reluctant
followers at best - while initial reports sounded like there
was a real group effort from Bingham, Burnett, Beamer - and
I recall another name - Guadagno, maybe - mentioned.
BUT - since I posted the above, there was a small news item
on the TV during the week - some company or city named some
<location> after Thomas Burnett - and his wife was there to
give a *brief* speech of thanks. I was glad to see that one.
Diana
CatWoman
> > Great minds, and all that. I *think* I posted my version of
> > this exact same rant. In fact, I thought it was *MARK* who
> > had been making the phone call to the operator and had the
> > 'memorable last words'.
> >
> > They're both local, and even out *HERE*, in the SF Bay Area,
> > (I think Mark lived in Hayward?), we don't hear his name *ever*.
>
> It could be that. It could also be that Lisa Beamer is a publicity
> hound but Mark Bingham's relatives and friends are not. Or it could be
> a combination of both.
Just a sort of a repeat here...
It's not that none of Mark's survivors are talking to the
press that annoys me - it's that his name is never mentioned
any more. Period.
Even in the clip about the dedication for Burnett, I didn't
hear Mark's name mentioned.
It's as if he completely disappeared off the airplane except
for the web-site lists.
Diana