Helping the neediest...
Gutterboy
I found this post (on a board that will go unmentioned) and it nearly broke my
heart.
Saliva Ann Moolett is right. We're just not doing enough for the bree... I
mean, the hard-working parents among us.
Gutterboy
How the hell am I gonna have any money? Yes, I live at home, I decided school
was more important thant my own place right now. So, I am saving my
scholarships till after I transfer, which means I have to pay for this semester
($219) and books (probably about $150)...I have a credit card bill (finally got
a credit card, maxed out the teeny tiny $200 limit on x-mas presents, a parking
ticket ($27) a couple of medical bills from when I passed gallstones (about
$70) and a bounced check from flying to Seattle and not knowing I had to pay
for Cade's ticket, and writing a bad check at the last minute because I had no
other option ($379) and then my transfer of title and registration for my car
(yes, I suck, I bought it in July and I just havent had TIME to do this!)
SO, here in lies the problem. I have no savings, i spent it all on my car and
havent put anything back in. I am very responsible (though this post doesnt
sound like it!) I dont want to ask my parents for help, because frankly I dont
need the lecture....
So now what??
I can go to school all day and work all night and fridays but SHIT i dont want
to! I want time with my kid and I want to be able to STUDY and have a little
home time. Welfare is not an option as long as I live at home...well, I COULD
get on welfare, and never let my dad know. I live with a bunch of anal
republicans...welfare is a big no-no. SO, what they hell do I do?
Oh, my last problem...we have daycare funding. So, its subsidized. But now that
I am JUST going to school I am afraid they will be like "well, you arent on
welfare, where do you get your money??" and cut me off. And this is a GREAT
program, it pays for daycare until cade is 13, I cant afford to lose it or I
wont be able to finish school. GAK!
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"I have a 14 year old step son who rules the roast." -- Poster to the A0L
Parenting Board
stil...@my-deja.com
gutte...@aol.commonsprog (Gutterboy) wrote:
> I know we're all stretched thin these days, what with the holidays and all, but
> I found this post (on a board that will go unmentioned) and it nearly broke my
> heart.
>
> Saliva Ann Moolett is right. We're just not doing enough for the bree... I
> mean, the hard-working parents among us.
>
> Gutterboy
My tears flow unabated since I read your thoughtful posting.
I believe this is just the type of downtrodden parent (a real spunky trooper,
I'd say!) that would responsibly pay back a small loan from the Social
Security bankroll currently being wasted on our nation's elders.
Susan
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Marie Braden
wrote:
>I know we're all stretched thin these days, what with the holidays and all, but
>I found this post (on a board that will go unmentioned) and it nearly broke my
>heart.
>
>Saliva Ann Moolett is right. We're just not doing enough for the bree... I
>mean, the hard-working parents among us.
That's ok, here are some choice quotes from the mother of a friend's
child. Don't even get me started on the fact that she had a kid with
this friend of mine while she was still married to her husband --to
whom she is STILL married, even though the kid is almost 3! I had the
questions, and she had the"answers". Direct quotes via
cut-and-paste...did I mention that she has 3 kids, and is not even 25
yet????
her original email:
> Well I guess you are alittle more familiar with the internet than I am. I
>am about to shoot this damn thing! I am tring to find an online college
>that will give me a 2 year degree along with my high shool diploma. we have
>what's called running start at CBC but you have to be under 21 years old to
>get in. And if I do it online, my employer will buy me a computer to do it
>on. The problem that I keep running into is every time I try to narrow down
>my search, it winds up giving me more. If you could give me some advice it
>would be helpful.
Now, the questions are mine, the answers are hers:
>Question #1: What do you want to major in?
A #1: I would like to major in Arcetecture or Cival Engineering.
>Question #2: Do you not have your GED yet?
A #2: NO I do not have a GED and I don't want one. I want to
complete highschool with a diploma.
>Question #3: Do you want to take all your classes online or are you willing
>to take some of them offline?
A #3: I want to take some of the classes online so that my work will
buy me a computer. We have Columbia Basin College witch is a
community college and WSU Tri-cities here that I can take on campus.
I'm not even going to mention that she is on welfare, food stamps, and
only has her job (with Goodwill) because of some stupid program that
Washington State has set up for breeders--which, IIRC, includes child
care. Her "boyfriend"/my friend is currently taking courses at
ITT....did I mention he's in his early Thirties and except for his
time in the AF, has only ever worked for McDonald's? His tuition is
partially paid by his GI bill, I don't fault him for that....but the
rest of it is paid by his mom and by various grants, which leaves him
a large chunk to....send home to the girl. URK!
Am I just being pedantic, or is this couple EXACTLY what we've all
been foaming about? I mean, I accept that some people get breaks, and
don't have to pay for their own education--I'm damned grateful for the
tuition breaks I get, and have NEVER taken a student load to pay for
school. Never. I have occasionally put books and supplies on my credit
card, but that's my PERSONAL CONSUMER DEBT, not something that will
screw other students if I don't pay it back.
Two other, similar, stories, mainly because I'm in a pissy mood:
My best friend was considering bankruptcy, due to the fact that she
has over $30,000 in student loans. She's not even finished a degree
for all that--and now she's pregnant (I am not dealing well with that
last part) and will be roughly 8 months gone on her wedding day. This
is her second marriage, BTW.
Another friend also had mass quantities of student loans--even though
he had had GI Bill assistance (fairly earned. I do NOT quibble with
that. In fact, DH is looking into whether or not his GI Bill can be
used to finance MY education, since he's the one who's earned it, but
I digress). FOR A 2-YEAR DEGREE IN ART! I ask you...what good is an
associate's in ART? And how can it take someone 6 years to earn it,
even when all of his tuition and books are paid for????
Granted, I'm 10 years out of school. Granted, I'm barely a sophomore
in college. This is not by choice....no, wait...This is the result of
POOR CHOICES I MADE IN THE PAST. I'm dealing with it now. Why can't
these other folks? Sheesh.
Ok, rant over. Am I just being a bitch, or am I justified in pointing
out that people like these are the reason that *I* can't get financial
aid, when all I really want is to finish my degree and start
teaching...FEH!
---
Marie Braden
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Gutterboy
>Now, the questions are mine, the answers are hers:
>>Question #1: What do you want to major in?
>A #1: I would like to major in Arcetecture or Cival Engineering.
God thing she dosent want to majer in Speling.
Gutterboy
Hilary
Marie Braden <maw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Now, the questions are mine, the answers are hers:
> >Question #1: What do you want to major in?
> A #1: I would like to major in Arcetecture or Cival Engineering.
Architecture? This woman doesn't have a decent foundation upon which to
build her own life, and she thinks she's going to be able to
hack "Arcetecture"? Good grief.
--
A woman without a child is like a fish without a bicycle.
gabrielle
> Ok, rant over. Am I just being a bitch, or am I justified in pointing
> out that people like these are the reason that *I* can't get financial
> aid, when all I really want is to finish my degree and start
> teaching...FEH!
2. Yes
gabrielle
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stil...@my-deja.com
> Another friend also had mass quantities of student loans--even though
> he had had GI Bill assistance (fairly earned. I do NOT quibble with
> that. In fact, DH is looking into whether or not his GI Bill can be
> used to finance MY education, since he's the one who's earned it, but
> I digress).
The key here is EARNED it. You guys have earned the benefits.
FOR A 2-YEAR DEGREE IN ART! I ask you...what good is an
> associate's in ART?
For that matter, what good is a four-year degree in art? I have a perfectly
useless art history degree.
(So I'm back at school.....)
(tiny snip)
> Granted, I'm 10 years out of school. Granted, I'm barely a sophomore
> in college. This is not by choice....no, wait...This is the result of
> POOR CHOICES I MADE IN THE PAST. I'm dealing with it now. Why can't
> these other folks? Sheesh.
>
> Ok, rant over. Am I just being a bitch, or am I justified in pointing
> out that people like these are the reason that *I* can't get financial
> aid, when all I really want is to finish my degree and start
> teaching...FEH!
You are justified. You may be bitching, (about legitimate gripes,) but that
does not mean you are a bitch.
Keep heading for that degree...just try to teach on a college level. I
understand that any teaching jobs below that are really unfulfilling.
(I have a freind, CF, who quit student teaching after getting his masters,
because the high school students were imbeciles.)
Susan
> ---
> Marie Braden
>
> CF++ TK? TPI++++ A++ VF++++
> "We all chase something and maybe this is a dream"
> Stevie Nicks
> "If dreams give you power, then I'm strong enough"
> Reba McEntire
>
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Bruce
jobs for those with an Arts degree. When I started university back in 1976,
the student newspaper was decrying the fact that fine art majors were having
to work at McDonalds. When I graduated in 1981, they were still on this
line. 19 years later, the idiots still haven't figured this out.
Now, I think an Arts degree is great if you are interested in expanding your
horizons or if you know where you are going and an Arts degree fits into
this plan. Just don't be surprised, if you don't know where you are going,
if many companies don't want to shower you with high paid jobs.
"Marie Braden" <maw...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Another friend also had mass quantities of student loans--even though
> he had had GI Bill assistance (fairly earned. I do NOT quibble with
> that. In fact, DH is looking into whether or not his GI Bill can be
> used to finance MY education, since he's the one who's earned it, but
> I digress). FOR A 2-YEAR DEGREE IN ART! I ask you...what good is an
> associate's in ART? And how can it take someone 6 years to earn it,
> even when all of his tuition and books are paid for????
! =-----
Woof
>Now, I think an Arts degree is great if you are interested in expanding your
>horizons or if you know where you are going and an Arts degree fits into
>this plan. Just don't be surprised, if you don't know where you are going,
>if many companies don't want to shower you with high paid jobs.
It's the brainwashing used by all liberal arts colleges. Mine used phrases
such as "A liberal arts degree is sooooo versatile, you can do anything!" and
other such rot. And when they find the one student who did suceed with a
liberal arts degree, and have them say it, and you are 19 years old, and like
studying the useless things, you fall victim to their cunning plan. And then
end up as a clerk at the IRS, with a Master's in a useless field.
Woof
great job now, but still bitter (and barren)
Marie Braden
>It's the brainwashing used by all liberal arts colleges. Mine used phrases
>such as "A liberal arts degree is sooooo versatile, you can do anything!" and
>other such rot. And when they find the one student who did suceed with a
>liberal arts degree, and have them say it, and you are 19 years old, and like
>studying the useless things, you fall victim to their cunning plan. And then
>end up as a clerk at the IRS, with a Master's in a useless field.
I could understand a liberal arts degree...but a FINE ART degree is
not going to get many jobs...especially when it's only an associate's.
I admit, being an English major isn't much better--but my minor is
split between education and computer science.
IleneB
<woof...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> It's the brainwashing used by all liberal arts colleges. Mine used phrases
> such as "A liberal arts degree is sooooo versatile, you can do anything!" and
> other such rot.
I remember a "Newsweek" cover in 1971, showing a young man in a
graduation cap and gown, running a jackhammer, and the caption was,
"The Liberal Arts Glut." It was no secret then, and it sure isn't now.
I think there was a time when so few people went to college, and those
few were often from the privileged class, that any degree was useful,
because your uncle or somebody would give you a job at the bank or law
office. And those days are long gone.
Ilene B "among the great unwashed who hasn't read the classics"
Cori
> FOR A 2-YEAR DEGREE IN ART! I ask you...what good is an
> > associate's in ART?
>
> For that matter, what good is a four-year degree in art? I have a
perfectly
> useless art history degree.
> (So I'm back at school.....)
>
This is why I'm back in school for a certificate in Web Mastering.
Hey, everyboldy congratulate me on my A in Computer Graphics!
I'll be putting a website up with my work shortly.
Cori
John & Mari Morgan
<computer...@exite.com> wrote:
>You are talking a liberal arts degree IN English. Now they have a liberal
>arts degree in liberal arts. At a near-by university, they have advertising
>saying it's just like having a major in 'undeclared.' Now THAT's a totally
>useless degree.
"Now"? The University of Maine has offered a bachelor's degree in
"General Studies" for a very long time. (My dad remembered it from his
first stint there in the 60s.) Typically it's where the athletes and
older returning students taking courses for the fun of it end up,
because it HAS no degree requirements, you just show up for 120
credits. In fact, I very nearly ended up there myself, being a triple
major (that ended up being a single major, double minor after running
out of money to finish the two other majors) across two different
colleges. No one could settle on which college would award the degree,
and so I very nearly ended up as a General Studies degree.
Mari
who has a completely useless degree in English, because the plan
called for grad school that didn't happen.
stil...@my-deja.com
Congratulations X 10! Let us know where to view your work when you get it in
place.
Was your degree in Art History?
I also went back to take up a marketable (hopefully) associates degree in
AutoCAD Architectural Drafting. Well, actually, I started out just taking it
to draw plans to renovate our 76 year old house but found I really liked the
other aspects of the degree program. (Engineering, construction basics, etc.)
So I have been continuing my classes into this Spring semester, 2001.
(bald "braggin' on myself" alert:) I ended up with a 4.0 this past semester.
(I went from no computer experience in Jan., 2000 to learning PC software and
also how to dominate my iMac, all in 12 mos. For you computer-age kids this
doesn't sound like much....but it was intimidating at first. At least now I
don't feel soooo technologically Victorian.)
Congratulations to All who Are Using their Resources to Engage their Brains
---the REAL Sign of a Better Future......
(The road to "Improved Lives For All" DOES NOT run through Sprogville.)
Susan
Typhonblue
Grim wrote:
>
> On Sun, 31 Dec 2000 14:09:23 -0500, Colleen Condron
> <cmco...@mindspring.com> wrote:
>
> >IMO, a degree is never a waste. And also IMO, liberal arts stuff
> >IS more applicable than people like to think.
I had to chime in on this thread as I am a MAD-T (Media and Digital
Technologies) major at an art college (that offers degrees). MAD-T is
technical and as I progress I will have to take courses in C+
programming and Calculus.
Some of the use of an art degree comes from the field you go into. For
instance, my art college offers a degree in design which is
traditionally a very profitable field. So are drafting, MAD-T and
photography. Also very profitable are the jewelry, glass, woodworking,
and ceramics fields. They don't sound very glamorous, but they do make
money.
But most of the use of an art degree comes from how you apply it.
I've noticed that the web designers on the forefront almost always have
some connection to art. Either through a design degree or, quite often,
a "traditional" arts background in painting, sculpture, drawing, etc.
I think an art degree affords a certain amount of innovation and
flexibility; Even if the money in *wages* isn't there, then there's
always a way for a shrewd mind to make money. I agree with some of the
sentiment on this thread tho. Someone who expects to be slotted into a
job upon graduation shouldn't take an art degree. They're better off
with something more practical. To take full advantage of an art degree,
one has to be tough enough to look past the obvious and find the
overlooked. It's a harder road, not pat at all.
Finally, if all else fails, an artist can *sell* his/her work. It does
happen, you know. There is a twice a year student show and sale at my
school, around 200 students participated this year. During the three day
sale, 80,000$ worth of student work was sold. There is a market out
there for art.
meb
stil...@my-deja.com wrote:
> (bald "braggin' on myself" alert:) I ended up with a 4.0 this past semester.
> (I went from no computer experience in Jan., 2000 to learning PC software and
> also how to dominate my iMac, all in 12 mos. For you computer-age kids this
> doesn't sound like much....but it was intimidating at first. At least now I
> don't feel soooo technologically Victorian.)
Congratulations to you!
> Congratulations to All who Are Using their Resources to Engage their Brains
> ---the REAL Sign of a Better Future......
>
> (The road to "Improved Lives For All" DOES NOT run through Sprogville.)
And that's the truth.
-Mb
(B+ in my "Advanced Java" course, wheee!)
Bruce
Ecology 100" previously known as basket weaving.
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Jennifer Landry
Congratulations Cori and everyone who did so well this semester! HEre
is my official brag: 4 As, 1 B, and one unknown but I am thinking in
the C-B range. Made Dean's List!!
Jennifer
Jennifer Landry --http://www.gis.net/~dlandry
mailto:jdla...@mail2.gis.net
"Friends don't let friends breed"
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Lee Ann
>In article <tdfs4to751a5qoqih...@4ax.com>,
> Marie Braden <maw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Now, the questions are mine, the answers are hers:
>> >Question #1: What do you want to major in?
>> A #1: I would like to major in Arcetecture or Cival Engineering.
>
>Architecture? This woman doesn't have a decent foundation upon which to
>build her own life, and she thinks she's going to be able to
>hack "Arcetecture"? Good grief.
Not to mention that I'm unwilling to believe that you could complete a
meaningful Architecture degree and have a small kid to raise at the
same time. The folks I knew in college who were majoring in
Architecture *lived* in the classroom building/studios (literally -
they had cots set up across from their drafting tables).
Lee Ann
stil...@my-deja.com
> Marie Braden <maw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > Now, the questions are mine, the answers are hers:
> > >Question #1: What do you want to major in?
> > A #1: I would like to major in Arcetecture or Cival Engineering.
I'd say if you can't spell it, you can't do it.
(Close to "if you have to ask the price....")
susan
Marie Braden
>
>> Marie Braden <maw...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Now, the questions are mine, the answers are hers:
>> > >Question #1: What do you want to major in?
>> > A #1: I would like to major in Arcetecture or Cival Engineering.
>
>I'd say if you can't spell it, you can't do it.
I have to agree with you on that one. I mean, I just couldn't believe
her....attitude about the whole thing.
Kent
: Not to mention that I'm unwilling to believe that you could complete a
: meaningful Architecture degree and have a small kid to raise at the
: same time. The folks I knew in college who were majoring in
: Architecture *lived* in the classroom building/studios (literally -
: they had cots set up across from their drafting tables).
Heck, the very idea that either Architecture or <guffaw> civil engineering
can be learned via a 2-year online program is ridiculous, anyway! I can't
wait to see which Nobel Prizes THIS one's offspring will garner...
Kent
Kent
: I'd say if you can't spell it, you can't do it.
F-E-L-L-A-T... oh, sorry!
Kent
Kent
: My English degree was a helpful stepping stone into the world of
: newspapers, which was then a helpful stepping stone into the world of
: tech writing (both software and medical).
Interesting--a former best friend of mine got an English degree then a
Masters in Comparative Literature, 2 degrees most would scoff and label
"useless", but it so happened that a part-time job she got by SHEER luck
and happenstance which involved doing grunt work on 3rd shift of an
environmental lab turned out to be the "foot in the door" that led to a
tech writing position there, then a higher tech writing position there, at
which point the company paid for another Masters in tech Writing...a few
jobs later, she is now Director of Medical Writing for another company and
I suspect, doing QUITE well.
Kent
stil...@my-deja.com
Cori
> Congratulations Cori and everyone who did so well this semester! HEre
> is my official brag: 4 As, 1 B, and one unknown but I am thinking in
> the C-B range. Made Dean's List!!
Thanks! Congrats to you too!
I am awaiting two other possible A's, maybe high B's. (I don't want to
jinx myself, touch wood.)
Cori
>
> Jennifer
> Jennifer Landry --http://www.gis.net/~dlandry
> mailto:jdla...@mail2.gis.net
> "Friends don't let friends breed"
> CFIF!+++(<--want!!) TK++ TPI++++ A++++VF+++
>
California Redhead
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>
> Some of the use of an art degree comes from the field you go into. For
> instance, my art college offers a degree in design which is
> traditionally a very profitable field. So are drafting, MAD-T and
> photography. Also very profitable are the jewelry, glass, woodworking,
> and ceramics fields. They don't sound very glamorous, but they do make
> money.
Yep, my sister has a BFA (emphasis in jewelry making) and MFA (costume
design, which is actually part of the theatre program) and works as an
artist. She works hard but sets her own schedule, doesn't have annoying
coworkers, and is doing well financially. Oh, and she's quite pleased
that in her 40+ years, she's never worked a 9-5 job.
Red
Typhonblue
California Redhead wrote:
>
> Yep, my sister has a BFA (emphasis in jewelry making) and MFA (costume
> design, which is actually part of the theatre program) and works as an
> artist. She works hard but sets her own schedule, doesn't have annoying
> coworkers, and is doing well financially. Oh, and she's quite pleased
> that in her 40+ years, she's never worked a 9-5 job.
>
> Red
That's one of my goals in life. I never want to see the inside of a
cubicle for any length of time, deal with office politics, or tax my
brain for ways to loaf while appearing busy. Bleah.
loz...@hotmail.com
Typhonblue <typho...@home.com> wrote:
> But most of the use of an art degree comes from how you apply it.
I'll agree :-) I have a BA in Film & Film Tech, and I loved every
minute of my course. But I only wanted to work in that field for the
first year and a half of my degree. Then I decided that IT was my
calling.
I carried on with my degree (I'm not a quitter :-) and got a very
respectable honours degree.... then went to work in IT anyway (having
taught myself more than the basics) in a graduate-level position. My
degree is a booster - people just want to know that I have one, and
don't care too much what it's in.
I think I may be lucky that I managed to get the sort of job that
Computer Science grads dream of, with the "wrong" degree. But not
*that* lucky - I worked my arse off in my final year teaching myself,
while not taking time away from my degree course.
IMHO the degree you choose doesn't necessarily need to dictate the
career you want. I may have progressed a little faster in my career so
far if I had a CS degree, but I'm also glad I spent my Uni years
enjoying my lectures (while all my CS friends reckon they were the
worst years of their lives).
Laura.
Charleen Bunjiovianna
>
>That's one of my goals in life. I never want to see the inside of a
>cubicle for any length of time, deal with office politics, or tax my
>brain for ways to loaf while appearing busy. Bleah.
Start your own business and you'll never have to deal with any of
that.
Plus, if you work it right, you'll never have to deal with "children
in the workplace" issues. Yeah!!
Charleen