I am finally childfree!!!!!
President Gore
that I wanted a divorce. You should have seen the shocked look on her
face. After it finally sunk in, the bitch asked me why. I didn't have
the heart to tell her it was because she has turned into a fat pig and
I can't stand our 3 children. Instead I told the bitch that I wasn't
happy and wanted out. I'm sure she will want customdy. As far as I'm
concerned she can have full custody. I don't want to see her or my
kids's ugly faces ever again and if that bitch thinks she's going to
get one dime of child support, she can forget it. She is just going to
have to get off of her fat ass and get a job.
Victoria
JD Kidkill
first time at home ownership and no facist slum lord breathing over my neck.
With the home, comes the mandatory obligations--one being yardwork.
At the rental house, yard work sucked. The ground was uneven and the "lawn"
was this wild grass that felt like it was thick as bamboo. Weeds grew with
reckless abandon although I drowned them with weed killer. I believe they
became immune. The yard at my new home is different: smooth grass, cool
trees, and lots of potential. We even talk of building a cool little
fountain and grow bamboo around it. However, the bad memories of maintaining
the prior yard still have me wishing for a condominium.
So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot of it
to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring and
I am already dreading it.
JdK
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Jason G
[snip Trollin' trollin' trollin....]
Hey everybody! The attendee count is now up to ***45*** for the Beach Party!
YIKES! Hope the sewers can handle it or all y'all are gonna have to go pee in
the back forty.
--
Jason G
"If a child shows himself to be incorrigible, he should be decently and
quietly beheaded at the age of twelve, lest he grow to maturity, marry,
and perpetuate his kind." -- Don Marquis
Leisa
"JD Kidkill" <Mist...@sexiestgeekalive.com> wrote in message
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> So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it?
Hate it. I'm allergic to grass and trees, but DH insists we need to make our
outside more presentable. Right now, he's standing outside watering a large
expanse of dirt that he lovingly calls our lawn. He convinces me that grass
will grow there soon. We've been here 9 years; I'm still waiting.
>Since I have alot of it
> to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
> making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring
and
> I am already dreading it.
>
Mass quantities of alcohol, and a portable spa-thingy for the tub for
after-gardening soaking ;)
Leisa
ygrii
President Gore wrote in message
<snip>
So today while I was driving home from work, I noticed large white
cumulonimbus clouds on the northern horizon. Storms weren't in the forecast,
so I was somewhat surprised to see it. About a half hour after I got home, a
huge storm blew through. The power went out and didn't come back on for
almost two hours. The roof of my neighbor's garage blew off, and we have
several tree limbs in the yard. I got the battery-operated radio out of the
closet, but none of the local stations were on the air. I like a dramatic
thunderstorm, but a little warning would have been nice. At least the DW's
car no longer needs washed.
hugacat
"JD Kidkill" <Mist...@sexiestgeekalive.com> wrote:
<snip>
> So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot of
it
> to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
> making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring
and
> I am already dreading it.
I have a love-hate relationship with yardwork. If you're starting with a
well-maintained property, you're lucky -- I didn't, and although I've
planted grass and dug a garden the the back yard, keeping up with the weeds
remains a full-time job.
It doesn't help that my next-door neighbor has OCD -- I am not being
flippant; the man is truly obsessed. He mows *every day* and if a single
leaf falls on his lawn, he pulls out the turbo-powered leaf blower and blows
it (and all his debris) into my yard. I dread autumn -- he "blows" a couple
of times a day, and the ear-splitting whining of the thing often starts
before 7 a.m. No matter what I do, my yard will never be as perfect as his,
and I've given up trying to keep up (in fact, I enjoy it -- if he wants to
blow his crap onto my property, he'll have to deal with living next door to
a much-less-than-perfect yard.)
OTOH, it is great to be able to grow my own veggies, herbs, and flowers. I
would suffer greatly if I had to go back to having little or no space to
grow things. I deal with at least a maintenance level of yardwork because
the benefits of enjoying a pretty lawn and growing fresh veggies (with
plenty left over to preserve for winter and give as gifts) outweigh the
inconvenience.
Since it gets brutally hot here in the summer, I find it best to do yardwork
as early in the morning as I can drag myself out of bed. A radio helps, and
the kitties tend to follow me around and keep me company, which is nice (if
you are a cat person.) Get some sturdy utility gloves and good tools --
they make everything so much easier! Bug repellent is also a must. And
think of it as exercise ... I even bought a manual push mower because I
don't have that much grass, and figure I'm getting a good workout while
being kind to the environment every time I mow.
Home ownership can be a PITA, but it has a lot of advantages too -- you can
do whatever you want with the yard to make it your own little sanctuary.
Sounds like you have some good ideas -- enjoy and know that the end result
will be worth the effort!
Christine
RobertsonChai
The winery for this new venture was created from the shell of the historic
Walla Walla Railway Engine House just west of downtown. The cavernous brick and
beam structure is both picturesque and utilitarian, as the large tanks and
racks of barrels stand where similarly monolithic iron horses once puffed and
snorted.
---from "Northwest Wines & Wineries", by Chuck Hill (1998)
Actually I have been there, and Walla Walla is a really cool town.
---Bob
Dreamspinner3
go. You are the weakest link, GOOD-BYE!
On 13 Aug 2001 14:59:44 -0700, jack_...@hotmail.com (President
Gore) wrote:
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Kim Miller
Homepage: http://members.tripod.com/dreamspinner3/
ICQ: 48547727
The Wrong Trousers
for a couple of years) I never offered chocolate. But I will be very
pleased to share one of my all-time favorite recipes.
Here in the Rocky Mountains, we are blessed with an abundance of fresh
trout. This dish never fails to knock people's socks off. Even people
who hate fish like it, and it is so nice and light, but still tasty. Some
people use egg in this recipe, but I don't.
Trout with Japanese Vegetables
4 trout, filleted but retaining the head, skin and fins
4 ozs mushrooms, sliced (large meaty mushrooms, like shiitake, are best.)
Half each of a red, green and yellow pepper, thinly sliced
2 ozs scallions, chopped, including the greens
2 ozs bean sprouts
2 stalks of celery, chopped (I sometimes use daikon instead)
8 pieces of streaky bacon
Vegetable oil
2 teaspoons soy sauce
Heat the vegetable oil in a wok and stir fry the mixed vegetables until
they begin to soften. Stir in the soy sauce. Remove from the heat and
stuff this mixture into the filleted fish. There will be an open gap in
each of the fish where it appears over stuffed.
Wrap each trout with two pieces of bacon. Bake in a large baking dish in
preheated 500 degree oven about 15 minutes, until skin is crisp and the
fish is opaque to the bone. Test after 12 minutes. Vegetables will remain
crisp.
Mmmmmmm.
-- Trou(t)
---------------------------------------------------
"Today's game is brought to you by Otter Beer, in the original
long necked bottle! When you want a refreshing brew with a bite,
you Otter get a longneck!"
Mark Langsdorf
> As a few may know, I just moved in with my studly SO, tedb. This is my
> first time at home ownership and no facist slum lord breathing over my neck.
> With the home, comes the mandatory obligations--one being yardwork.
> At the rental house, yard work sucked. The ground was uneven and the "lawn"
> was this wild grass that felt like it was thick as bamboo. Weeds grew with
> reckless abandon although I drowned them with weed killer. I believe they
> became immune. The yard at my new home is different: smooth grass, cool
> trees, and lots of potential. We even talk of building a cool little
> fountain and grow bamboo around it. However, the bad memories of maintaining
> the prior yard still have me wishing for a condominium.
> So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot of it
> to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
> making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring and
> I am already dreading it.
I'm terrible at yardwork, but fortunately, I live in a climate
where there isn't much that needs to be done.
If you can't stand the yardwork, hire someone to do the maintenance
and then you could work on the cool projects. A local CF couple has a
yard maintenance service to cut and fertilize the grass, and then spends
all their time outdoors maintaining a massive (14' by 30') ornamental
pond.
The other thing I've noticed is that trees are a good thing. If
most of your yard is shaded, the grass won't grow very high, but it also
won't die in the summer heat. I need to add more trees for this very
reason.
-Mark Langsdorf
http://www.austinnokidding.org/
Gallilea
<Mist...@sexiestgeekalive.com> writes:
>
>So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot of it
>to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
>making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring and
>I am already dreading it.
I personally like yard work in small amounts, but I always do it on a
semi-voluntary basis for family members, as I am a renter, so it's not
inescapable drudgery for me. If I *had* to do it, I might not like it. The
one piece of advice I will offer you is this: Do not overlandscape your yard.
My parents bought a house with an acre of land, half of which was wooded and
the other half of which was yard. Thinking it would reduce the amount of
mowing he'd have to do, my father created artsy-fartsy rock gardens in various
places in the front and back yards. What he wound up doing is increasing his
mowing time, because instead of going back and forth in straight rows, he has
to mow around his little oases. AND he has to weed them and trim them and
stuff. It was okay when he was younger and had two able-bodies kids to
delegate to, but now that he's a 60 yr old empty nester, it's not as fun as it
used to be.
Gallilea
Rabbit
> > So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot
of
> it
> > to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers
on
> > making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring
> and
> > I am already dreading it.
I have a love-hate. Come spring, I can't wait to get my fingers in the dirt.
By mid-September, I've just about had enough.
Husband's the grass-cutter. He loves doing it, and weed-whacking. (And
shoveling snow. Man ain't right.) I do the gardens.
And boy, do I use every shortcut possible. Perennials instead of annuals (or
as I call 'em, "wuss flowers"). Leaving seedheads up for the birds through
winter, and in spring they can be yanked out of the ground rather than
individually cut.
And mulch EVERYWHERE. I hate weeding with a passion. When Husband cuts the
grass, he collects it with the lawn sweeper and puts it by my vegetable
gardens. I put down 5 to 6 inches of grass between the rows of vegetables.
It cuts down on the weeds by 90%. I leave it on all winter, and till it
under in spring to give the earth even more nutrition. If I can't get enough
grass, I use straw, although I usually have to take it off before tilling.
If you're planting gardens, think about your lawnmower. Don't put gardens
closer together than the width of your mower, or you'll be cutting the grass
in between by hand. Look at the layout of your yard. It's easier to cut
grass if you can do it in a regular pattern, and you can avoid difficult
manouevers by setting out your gardens correctly.
Rabbit
Rabbit
>
> ---Bob
Shouldn't that be Voila Voila?
Rabbit, ducking and running
PPierce2
yesterday--habanero peach jam1 Delicious--our neighbor brought us fresh
peaches and DH and I canned a bunch of the jam--I don't know if anyone here has
had habanero in the past but it is wonderful (if done in tiny portions and
mixed with cinnamon in the jam). Yum!
I'll bet it might even be good with cream CHEESE on crackers.
PPierce2
hugacat
OK, give up the recipe. NOW ;-)
I am almost out of last year's jalapeno jelly, I'm growing some lovely
habaneros, and peaches are fresh, cheap, and abundant here. The farmer's
market is tomorrow and I was planning to do salsa and spicy pickles, but I
can adjust my canning schedule to include some jam as well. Hot and sweet
is a killer combination!
Christine
PPierce2
Habanero Peach
18 medium peaches
4 cups sugar
1/2 tsp cinnamon
Sprinkle of habanero powder to taste (use sparingly!)
To prepare pulp: Wash and blanch peaches. Peel, pit, and chop peaches. Cook
until soft, adding only enough water to prevent sticking (about 1/2 cup).
Press through a sieve or food mill. Measure 2 quarts peach pulp.
To prepare jam: Combine peach pulp, sugar, cinnamon, and habanero powder in a
large saucepot. Cook until thick enough to round up on a spoon. As mixture
thickens, stir frequently to prevent sticking. Ladle hot product into hot
hars, leaving 1/4 inch headspace. Adjust two piece caps. Process 10 minutes
in a boiling watter canner. Yields about 4 pints.
DH and I bought several pounds of habaneros about two years ago, dehydrated
them, and ground them into habanero powder in an electric coffee grinder. We
use it as a spice and also--get this--as a dog repellent. Our dogs won't mess
with anything that's been dusted with it (including garbage cans, spills that
smell good).
Let me know if you decide to use fresh habanero--I've had it this way too from
the store and loved it.
PPierce2
hugacat
"PPierce2" <ppie...@aol.com> wrote:
<snip>
> DH and I bought several pounds of habaneros about two years ago,
dehydrated
> them, and ground them into habanero powder in an electric coffee grinder.
We
> use it as a spice and also--get this--as a dog repellent. Our dogs won't
mess
> with anything that's been dusted with it (including garbage cans, spills
that
> smell good).
>
> Let me know if you decide to use fresh habanero--I've had it this way too
from
> the store and loved it.
Hmmmmm ... I do have fresh habaneros, but I also have serrano peppers from
last year that I dehydrated and ground just as you described. I may just go
ahead and use those, since I've still got plenty, and they are HOT -- a
couple of shakes is enough to spice up anything!
The dog repellent idea is good too -- I may have to try that with my cats.
It just might deter them from pooping in an area of the basement that
they've come to favor! At any rate, I'll let you know how the jam turns
out. Thanks for the recipe!
Christine
Caelan
customer ask me if they are Walla Wallas or not, I'm going to punt
them a block. Washington is nice tho, the American BC.
Caelan.
Paul Tauger
"JD Kidkill" <Mist...@sexiestgeekalive.com> wrote in message
news:D5Zd7.11257$vW2.6...@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com...
> first time at home ownership and no facist slum lord breathing over my
neck.
> With the home, comes the mandatory obligations--one being yardwork.
>
> At the rental house, yard work sucked. The ground was uneven and the
"lawn"
> was this wild grass that felt like it was thick as bamboo. Weeds grew
with
> reckless abandon although I drowned them with weed killer. I believe they
> became immune. The yard at my new home is different: smooth grass, cool
> trees, and lots of potential. We even talk of building a cool little
> fountain and grow bamboo around it. However, the bad memories of
maintaining
> the prior yard still have me wishing for a condominium.
>
> So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot of
it
> to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
> making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring
and
> I am already dreading it.
I enjoy it. After almost a lifetime of apartments, followed by 10 years in
a townhouse condo, I finally got a "real" house with a front yard, back
yard, trees and grass. After Liana fired our gardener, we decided to save
some money and I bought a lawn mower. This was quickly followed by a
trimmer, a leaf blower and a hedge trimmer. And bags of fertilizer. And
something to spread it (hmmm, reminds me of the OP). And lopping shears.
And shovels. And mattocks. And . . .
I find that I like it! I'm out there every Sunday morning, mowing and
trimming and weeding, and I find that I like it. Maybe it's because I spend
my entire work week sitting at a desk, doing the decidedly-non physical work
of a lawyer, but I really enjoy turning my mind off and working with my
hands under the sun on the weekends.
It's also a kick to see my work pay off in healthy trees, blooming flowers,
and nice green grass.
Maybe I should have been a farmer. ;)
Paul Tauger
there!
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Picasso Dreams
codependent love-hate relationship with my plants.
Despite living in the desert, my yard is a tropical oasis. I have hundreds
of plants and trees in my yard. I even have a greenhouse filled with
orchids. Between the front and back yard, I fill four lawnmower bags each
week. (I have an electric mower: great for the environment, half the noise,
but it is a pain dragging the extension cord across the yard.) I have 21
trees on my lot. Several huge annual beds, an herb garden, vegetable
garden, rose bushes and tons of other plants in beds around the house. I
also have a large pool surrounded by vegtation (including 24 Hibiscus plants
in 20 colors). I go through 12 lawn bags of plant clippings (excluding
grass) a month during the summer. I have two compost bins.
Unfortunately, I don't have enough money to hire someone on a regular basis
to help me maintain all of this because I can't stop buying plants.
When I purchased my home two years ago, my request was a large lot with
grass, a few old trees, and no landscaping. I worked at a plant nursery and
couldn't wait to have my own garden. My realtor found my dream lot. I went
a little nuts. When my web page is up, I'll post before and after pictures.
Bottom line: My yard is the envy of friends and neighbors. It will be
featured in a garden tour next fall. However, I spend countless hours
weeding, snipping, planting, pruning, pulling, propogating, fertilizing,
tilling, amending, watering, and digging in my garden every week. Not to
mention repairing sprinklers and misters. There is hell to pay if I slack
off for a week or two.
And I'm even more O/C about my orchids. I lost my entire collection (75
percent species, many specimen-sized) a few months ago when a neighbor
inadvertantly turned off my misters for a few days when it was 115 degrees.
No worry, I've wasted almost no time replacing my little babies. I have
traveled to California four times in two years for the sole purpose of
buying orchids (which I couldn't afford if I had to buy diapers). I am
flying to Albuquerque next week to buy orchids. Pretty sad.
Fortunately for me, my husband loves my greenhouse. Also, he has never
inquired as to how much any of the plants actually cost. That's probably
why we are still married. He has promised that wherever we live I can have
a greenhouse. I cannot wait to buy a huge parcel of land someday and design
my own botanical garden. I could have a non-profit tax write-off in my
backyard!
I love walking around my yard and admiring my work. I hate the maintenance
part. I'm just a hedonist - I want the pleasure without the work.
Hmmm. I think I should go down to Circle K and buy a Powerball ticket. My
botanical garden awaits.
Kelly
Veronique
> first time at home ownership and no facist slum lord breathing over my neck.
> With the home, comes the mandatory obligations--one being yardwork.
>
> At the rental house, yard work sucked. The ground was uneven and the "lawn"
> was this wild grass that felt like it was thick as bamboo. Weeds grew with
> reckless abandon although I drowned them with weed killer. I believe they
> became immune. The yard at my new home is different: smooth grass, cool
> trees, and lots of potential. We even talk of building a cool little
> fountain and grow bamboo around it. However, the bad memories of maintaining
> the prior yard still have me wishing for a condominium.
>
> So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot of it
> to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
> making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring and
> I am already dreading it.
OK, let me just say that I am jealous as heck that you have a yard
that you can work in to your heart's content. I think a lot of people
live with yards who would be happier, maintenance wise, with
condominiums, so you are not alone. The inequity saddens me.
I don't know that I love *yardwork* per se, but it is a part of
gardening and gardening is a meditation for me.
Grass is a pain in the ass, unless you have sufficient lawn that two
or three sheep will be happy grazing. When I have had the misfortune
to live with grass that was my responsibility, I used a push mower
(because of the lack of engine noise, which I hate) and gradually
nibbled away at the edges, extending a border here, inserting a circle
there, until the grass was more or less a wide path between gardens.
There's a lot to be said for weeds. Weeds attract caterpillers that
turn into butterflies. Some weeds are beautiful, especially mixed up
with other weeds. Weed seeds feed birds, and the insects that are
attracted to weeds feed other birds. Weeds also usually take a lot
less care: watering or fertilizer. A meadow, which is a mixture of
wildflowers (eg, weeds) is usually needs mowing only a few times a
season.
Raking can also be a mediation. If you are insane and have huge
numbers of deciduous trees and insist on growing grass under them,
raking is both necessary and kind of painful. If you are clever, you
will revert to woodland, with bulbs bursting up in the spring and lots
of gorgeous shade plants. Then the raking need not be so thorough,
because the plants are used to coming up under a cover of leaves.
BAMBOO WARNING: Contain it before you plant it, or you will be
struggling with it the rest of your natural life. Bamboo is a grass
and sends out runners. You will find bamboo EVERYWHERE unless you put
it in a pot to begin with. The theory of bamboo is nice: all ethereal
and of the east, with you imagining beautiful Chinese watercolor
paintings. The reality is that bamboo is not ethereal when it is an
impenetrable thicket that you thought was your yard. Your neighbors
will also hate you, as bamboo knows no boundaries. Bamboo is
appropriate for forests that house panda bears. If you have no panda
bears handy, think carefully before you inflict it on yourself.
And yes, plants (and insects) develop resistance to pesticides.
Evolution in action. The least toxic way to kill weeds, besides good
old removal, is to pour boiling water over them.
Good luck with your new yard!
V.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Love will get you like a case of anthrax.
Beatlebum
wrote:
>OK, give up the recipe. NOW ;-)
http://members.tripod.com/~Lasaan/canningrecipes/habpeach.html
Caelan
and so on. I have to bribe myself with a couple beers and some electro
music blasting thru the window. As a plus, the strange music scares
the breeders and they typically stay away from me.
Rabbit
> reckless abandon although I drowned them with weed killer. I believe they
> became immune
I really don't understand the obsession people have with weeds in their
lawn. Monoculture isn't healthy, and that's what sod is.
We absolutely love the sight of all those yellow dandelions in our field in
spring. During droughts, we have a green lawn because there's so much
plaintain and clover in it. And we're actually transplanting creeping ivy
around the front yard. Other people buy weed killer to get rid of it; we're
encouraging it. It looks nice, it doesn't grow more than an inch and you
don't have to mow it.
Weeds in the flower bed are something else, but in the lawn, hey, more power
to 'em.
Rabbit
Lupin
"The Wrong Trousers" <technot...@NOSOUP.4u.net> wrote in message
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> Well, since I'm not exactly a lurker (I have posted off and on to ascf
> for a couple of years) I never offered chocolate. But I will be very
> pleased to share one of my all-time favorite recipes.
Thank you for the recipe! I never cook fish (I look at my happy goldfish and
feel guilty) but will pass it on to DH who loves fish - maybe it will
persuade him to make the dinner!
Lupin (off to find a cloth to hang over goldfish tank)
Kuan-tao
news:D5Zd7.11257$vW2.6...@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com...
> So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot of
it
> to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
> making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring
and
> I am already dreading it.
I know nothing about it, really, since I lived in the city before I moved to
East Bumfuck where I currently reside. My father-in-law is a plant genius
(has a whole green hand) so he comes over and tells me what to do with our
flower and rock gardens. "That's a weed" "That's a plant" etc. I'm slowly
learning. I managed to deadhead the rosebushes this year and felt like
Martha Stewart.
As for the grass, we purposefully bought a house on a wee tiny plot so
there'd be less landscaping to do. I loathe lawn mower noise, so we bought a
silent little German push-mower. No noise, no gas, no oil, no throwing your
back out jerking the cord for it to start, no pollution (2-stroke motors
like lawn mowers are horrible polluters). I can do the whole yard in less
than half an hour and it's no harder than a motorized mower.
We don't go crazy pulling weeds in our lawn. I think dandelions are lovely,
and leave them as well as any other damn thing that wants to grow-- just mow
right over them. Right now we've got a nice crop of chicory growing by the
sidewalk and I mow around it.
So, bottom line: I am completely ignorant of gardening, enjoy being outside
and don't mind much as long as my FIL is there to make sure I don't bugger
up something important. So far so good.
Micha
IC
Just kidding, your green house and gardens sound lovely. Will you post
photos please.
I'd love to talk my DH into having a greenhouse, but we don't have
room, just a large patio and its filled with trees, plants, all kinds
of stuff.
I can relate to the orchids. I am also lucky that DH doesn't inquire
about the orchid costs.
I only have 15 but it's very addicting. I bought some blooming and
some as mystery rescues. When the rescues spike I feel like sending
out birth announcements. I check them daily and am now speaking with a
local wholesaler who will sell to public. I can't wait to make a trip
out to see him. I even came up with a clever way to hang these babies
on my patio. I just bought one of those garden arches (some people use
them as wedding canopies and I was thinking of inserting each end into
a large plant container on the deck and hanging orchids from S-hooks
all over the arch. Its still in the screened patio and they grow well
there. Right now all my 15 are hanging from a hat/umbrella stand. But
I am planning ahead (sigh) dreaming of my LARGE orchid collection.
Plant stands won't work, because I have cats. Not that they would eat
my orchids on purpose...
I do all the gardening, DH does all the lawn maintenance. It's hot and
muggy here in Fl, so his job is much more miserable than mine. Beer
helps, music helps, having our own pool helps and of course we are
also tossing around the idea of hiring a monthly lawn care service
because after all ....we don't need to spend the $$ on diapers :-)
When I do go out to weed or just do some trimming, I make sure I am
well entertained with music or book on tape, have something cool to
drink and once I am unbearably hot and sweaty jump in the pool to cool
off. I find getting in touch with nature a very mentally relaxing not
physically hobby.
Its definitely worth it. I love having a nice looking front yard
filled with blooming plants and roses to cut for home. I spend a lot
of time on my patio and buy potted plants, flowering vines and of
course orchids.
Some advice for beginner gardeners, talk to the staff at garden
centers, learn, learn, learn all you can, it will pay off big time.
Start slow! Don't plant too much and then have to work like a slave to
keep it up. IF you really want a fantasy tropical paradise be
prepared to spend lots and lots of time and $ on it. Don't feel like
you have to compete with every neighboor. If you really hate it,
plant easy stuff and pay someone to maintain it. You might find there
are some things you like, some you hate. For example, growing veggies,
flowers..or you might find that grass cutting is a relaxing choir...
but no law that says you have to love it or even do it at all.
I.C.
Pead
JD Kidkill wrote:
> We even talk of building a cool little fountain and grow bamboo around it.
WARNING WILL ROBINSON... Unless you just want a yard FULL of it, best not to go
that route. From my experience, it only takes a couple of years to completely
take over if unchecked. Once firmly established, it becomes a continual fight
to limit it to where you want it. And if you decide you are tired of it,
forget it! It can never, ever be removed completely. We've tried everything
believe me.
We may have a longer growing season here, but you guys get more (free) water.
I suspect it'd take off on you big time, so you better like it a lot if you
plant it.
That said, we have some black bamboo, (dwarf variety at 6-10') that helps
serves as a very attractive screen of the 8 foot privacy fence we had erected
between us and the fundie moron neighbors.
> So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it?
I hate it, no doubt from the emotional scars of my indentured sprog servitude
as a lawn jockey.
DW likes mowing, trimming, puttzing with her herbs. In fact, she's out there
mowing right now.
So in trade, I do most of the cooking, which she hates. So it works out well,
but we are still amazed at those who are taken aback at the lack of traditional
gender assigned roles in this house. Whatever...
Pead
--
Good judgment comes from experience and experience comes from bad judgment.
- Barry LePatner
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Mark Langsdorf
> JD Kidkill wrote:
>> We even talk of building a cool little fountain and grow bamboo around it.
> WARNING WILL ROBINSON... Unless you just want a yard FULL of it, best not to go
> that route. From my experience, it only takes a couple of years to completely
> take over if unchecked. Once firmly established, it becomes a continual fight
> to limit it to where you want it. And if you decide you are tired of it,
> forget it! It can never, ever be removed completely. We've tried everything
> believe me.
Do you mean the fountain, or the bamboo? A friend of mine started
with a little 3' by 3' pond and the thing has since grown to a massive
water course throughout most of her yard.
-Mark Langsdorf
http://www.austinnokidding.org/
Molly
> As a few may know, I just moved in with my studly SO, tedb. This is my
> first time at home ownership and no facist slum lord breathing over my neck.
> With the home, comes the mandatory obligations--one being yardwork.
>
> At the rental house, yard work sucked. The ground was uneven and the "lawn"
> reckless abandon although I drowned them with weed killer. I believe they
> trees, and lots of potential. We even talk of building a cool little
> fountain and grow bamboo around it. However, the bad memories of maintaining
> the prior yard still have me wishing for a condominium.
Um, I wouldn't do the bamboo. Unless you get a clumping variety, it's
horrifically invasive. I'm at odds with a neighbor who killed the grass
on our side of the fence ('cause his grass is too good to mingle with
mine), and one of the suggestions given to me was to plant a strand of
bamboo along the property line. I woulnd't do it, but that fantasy beat
my flinging crabgrass seeds to the wind fantasy by a long shot.
> So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot of it
> to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
> making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring and
> I am already dreading it.
I used to hate it, but I'm in the process of replacing our equipment
with non-polluting, quiet substitutions. I just started using our reel
mower, and I almost like mowing the lawn now. I loathe the polluting,
noisy gas mower.
Molly
Molly
> grass, he collects it with the lawn sweeper and puts it by my vegetable
> gardens. I put down 5 to 6 inches of grass between the rows of vegetables.
> It cuts down on the weeds by 90%. I leave it on all winter, and till it
> under in spring to give the earth even more nutrition. If I can't get enough
> grass, I use straw, although I usually have to take it off before tilling.
I'm using hay for mulch myself, and am subscribing to the no-tilling
garden philosophy because that would be a huge chore to eliminate.
Apparently, the hay just composts in place, and worms drag the nutrients
into the soil, so it's not necessary to till at all. Just pull aside
the mulch to plant, and tuck it back when the seedlings are established.
I leave the grass clippings on the lawn so I don't have to fertilize.
OK, I bag it every once in a while to add to the compost pile, but
that's it.
Molly
Corine Kling
Miss Ann Thrope wrote:
> Kuan-tao wrote:
> > I loathe lawn mower noise, so we bought a silent little German push-mower.
>
> We're buying a garden home with a postage-stamp-sized yard. I plan to
> landscape it with drought-tolerant plants later, but won't have time to
> do that right off. I'd be interested in a push-mower. Which ones are
> good?
>
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American Lawn Mower Company hand mower here. Got it at one of those evil marts.
(The one with the k)
Cori
Jason G
>
>
>JD Kidkill wrote:
>
>> We even talk of building a cool little fountain and grow bamboo around it.
>
>WARNING WILL ROBINSON... Unless you just want a yard FULL of it, best not to go
>that route. From my experience, it only takes a couple of years to completely
>take over if unchecked.
I hope so, I want a bamboo grove on the back slope. But the clumping
varieties are not as aggressive, and if you want to control there spread you
can use bamboo barriers.
I am blessed with having a huge yard now, so I dropped some bucks at The
Bamboo Headquarters in Vista and got three different kinds. Strangely, the
"aggressive runner" p.japonica seems rather inert, while the clumping Oldhamii
and the Buddha's Belly are growing like gangbusters.
At this rate, by next year's party I'll have enough to build a tiki bar.
Jason G
> I'm terrible at yardwork, but fortunately, I live in a climate
>where there isn't much that needs to be done.
> If you can't stand the yardwork, hire someone to do the maintenance
>and then you could work on the cool projects.
I concur on this. I find mowing and cleanup to be drudgery, but I enjoy
futzing with new plantings and stuff, so I hired a guy to do the basics, and I
do all the fun stuff.
Kari Whittenberger-Keith
> In article <D5Zd7.11257$vW2.6...@news1.sttln1.wa.home.com>, "JD Kidkill"
> <Mist...@sexiestgeekalive.com> writes:
>
> >
> >So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot of it
> >to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
> >making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring and
> >I am already dreading it.
>
I love it. I think it may, in part, be due to the fact that I never had to do it
when I was a kid (we lived in apts. or townhouses). I can't say I love mowing
the lawn, but I always do it first, and leave the things I do enjoy (just about
everything else) as a reward. I do mulch heavily which cuts way back on the
weeding. In the past year and a half (since we bought the house) we've taken out
a fair amount of lawn, put in lots of trees, perennials beds, and raised beds for
veggies and fruits.
Advice: don't do too much at once. You need to see where your tolerances lie
with regard to gardening. I really like it, and am already making plans for next
years tasks. If you don't, you may want to stick with a lawn that just needs to
be mowed (which you can pay someone else to do).
Kari--in sunny Oregon where the garden tasks for the month are watering and
harvesting
Dora Robinson
> good?
>
> --
> Miss Ann Thrope
Take a drive through a rural area on a Saturday. Stop at one with a rusty push
mower. Give them $5-10. Bring home, clean up, file as necessary. Great little
push mower.
Dora
well, that's what we did... ;-)
JD Kidkill
"Caelan" <dippen...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Cool. Would you mind recommending some CDs? (:
JdK
Glory Hound
wrote:
>I have a love-hate. Come spring, I can't wait to get my fingers in the dirt.
>By mid-September, I've just about had enough.
>
I just got a new chipper-shredder (new for me, anyway...thanb you,
WANT ADS! I got a great-running used one for $300 and all the new
ones are $800+). Now all the ugly piles of sticks sprinkled around
the margin of our grounds can go bye-bye. No more hauling raked
leaves across the road to dump on town-owned land! Also, we'll get
much-needed mulch, all in one fell swoop.
>And boy, do I use every shortcut possible. Perennials instead of annuals (or
>as I call 'em, "wuss flowers"). Leaving seedheads up for the birds through
>winter, and in spring they can be yanked out of the ground rather than
>individually cut.
>
>And mulch EVERYWHERE. I hate weeding with a passion.
And mowing! No lawn junkie, I! We have planted a ton of pines on our
lot, beefing up our borders, and mulched all around them. Our "lawn",
such as it is, is actually closer to a "mown field".
Elise
Critter
> or three sheep will be happy grazing. When I have had the misfortune
> to live with grass that was my responsibility, I used a push mower
> (because of the lack of engine noise, which I hate) and gradually
> nibbled away at the edges, extending a border here, inserting a circle
> there, until the grass was more or less a wide path between gardens.
>
> There's a lot to be said for weeds. Weeds attract caterpillers that
> turn into butterflies. Some weeds are beautiful, especially mixed up
> with other weeds. Weed seeds feed birds, and the insects that are
> attracted to weeds feed other birds. Weeds also usually take a lot
> less care: watering or fertilizer. A meadow, which is a mixture of
> wildflowers (eg, weeds) is usually needs mowing only a few times a
> season.
>
http://www.nwf.org/habitats/index.html
Jason G
>> I'd be interested in a push-mower. Which ones are
>> good?
>>
>> --
>> Miss Ann Thrope
>
>Take a drive through a rural area on a Saturday. Stop at one with a rusty push
>mower. Give them $5-10. Bring home, clean up, file as necessary. Great
> little
>push mower.
>
I had a hard time finding one at all. I bought the first one that I could
find. It was great as long as I mowed every 7-10 days. I hate the noise and
smell of a power mower. (Hey, maybe that's why I got 50% gay on that gay
test.)
Then I lost interest in mowing and hired a gardener.
Kuan-tao
news:140820011341557091%missan...@SPROGyahoo.com...
> Kuan-tao wrote:
> > I loathe lawn mower noise, so we bought a silent little German
push-mower.
>
> landscape it with drought-tolerant plants later, but won't have time to
> good?
We bought the Silent Mower, available for perusal at
http://www.leevalley.com/garden/page.asp?page=10191&category=2,2160,40695&cc
urrency=2&SID=
(cost is in US currency; Canadian and international pricing is also
available but I assumed you live in the States).
You can buy the clippings-catcher but we didn't, we set the blade low and
mow once a week and leave the clippings to mulch the lawn (that's what my
FIL told us it's doing, anyways) and it's fine. We brush off the clippings
from the blade and spritz it with WD40 after each use.
Micha
Kari Whittenberger-Keith
Miss Ann Thrope wrote:
>
> We're buying a garden home with a postage-stamp-sized yard. I plan to
> landscape it with drought-tolerant plants later, but won't have time to
> do that right off. I'd be interested in a push-mower. Which ones are
> good?
>
We got ours at Sears; it costs around $100. We get it sharpened/"tuned" every two
years. Have had it for 10 years now and it's still in great shape. I love to
hear the whirring of the blades.
Kari
Rabbit
> garden philosophy because that would be a huge chore to eliminate.
> Apparently, the hay just composts in place, and worms drag the nutrients
> into the soil, so it's not necessary to till at all. Just pull aside
> the mulch to plant, and tuck it back when the seedlings are established.
Just be careful you're not planting next year's weeds. Hay contains huge
amounts of seed heads that can stay in the soil over the winter and sprout
in spring. Straw's better because the grain has been removed.
Rabbit
Mari Morgan
<Mist...@sexiestgeekalive.com> wrote:
>So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it?
Hate it. Passionately. My folks regarded me as their personal little
workhorse for everything except the actual mowing (our ancient
lawnmower was too dangerous), so very often when I wanted to be off
doing some major timewaster like, oh, reading a book or doing homework
I was instead dragged out to prune shrubs, pick up dogshit, or tend
the veggie garden. Add in that I'm hopelessly black-thumbed when it
comes to keeping plants alive, so there's absolutely no satisfaction
in the task for me. It's just drudgery (how I'm sure many of you folks
feel about cooking! *laugh*).
When we get a house, DH and I plan on surfacing most of our yard with
decking or patio or some such thing to minimize the amount of yardwork
that needs to be done, and probably hiring someone to deal with what's
left. (DH doesn't mind yardwork, but it's not exactly top priority for
what he wants to do with his non-work time.) If privacy were more
possible in an apartment or condo where we never had to worry about
exterior anything, we'd skip buying a house entirely, but I am so fed
up with the idiots that some kind of buffer zone between us and them
is going to be well worth writing checks to a gang of college students
with lawnmowers.
Mari
Rhonda D
> first time at home ownership and no facist slum lord breathing over my
neck.
> With the home, comes the mandatory obligations--one being yardwork.
it
> to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
> making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring
and
> I am already dreading it.
I just bought my first home (just me!) a couple months ago. I love owning
my own place and find some odd feeling of satisfaction from mowing the
grass. Unfortunately, the house had been unoccupied for the last few years,
so the neglect shows in the lawn. I'm hunting down whatever info I can find
to amend it and have it contain mostly grass rather than clover. Blech. I
can't wait to plant bulbs and such!!!
--
Rhonda
Amethyst Moon Soaps & Sundries
ICQ #3733400 AIM: rldossenb
Critter
> I just bought my first home (just me!) a couple months ago. I love owning
> my own place and find some odd feeling of satisfaction from mowing the
> grass. Unfortunately, the house had been unoccupied for the last few
years,
> so the neglect shows in the lawn. I'm hunting down whatever info I can
find
> to amend it and have it contain mostly grass rather than clover. Blech.
I
> can't wait to plant bulbs and such!!!
>
Scatter early spring bulbs across the lawn, bury where they land. They will
be spent by first mowing.
Veronique
> Pead <pea...@yahoo.com> made obeisance before Us and spake thusly:
> >
> >
> >JD Kidkill wrote:
> >
> >> We even talk of building a cool little fountain and grow bamboo around it.
> >
> >WARNING WILL ROBINSON... Unless you just want a yard FULL of it, best not to go
> >that route. From my experience, it only takes a couple of years to completely
> >take over if unchecked.
>
> I hope so, I want a bamboo grove on the back slope. But the clumping
> varieties are not as aggressive, and if you want to control there spread you
> can use bamboo barriers.
>
> I am blessed with having a huge yard now, so I dropped some bucks at The
> Bamboo Headquarters in Vista and got three different kinds. Strangely, the
> "aggressive runner" p.japonica seems rather inert, while the clumping Oldhamii
> and the Buddha's Belly are growing like gangbusters.
>
> At this rate, by next year's party I'll have enough to build a tiki bar.
...and the year after that, no yard to party in...
V., seen too many yards that were entirely bamboo. Or bamboo roots.
--
Veronique Chez Sheep
Love will get you like a case of anthrax.
Rabbit
dirt.
> >By mid-September, I've just about had enough.
> >
> I just got a new chipper-shredder (new for me, anyway...thanb you,
> WANT ADS! I got a great-running used one for $300 and all the new
> ones are $800+). Now all the ugly piles of sticks sprinkled around
> the margin of our grounds can go bye-bye. No more hauling raked
> leaves across the road to dump on town-owned land! Also, we'll get
> much-needed mulch, all in one fell swoop.
>
Oh, I'd love to have a chipper shredder. But I can tend to be a klutz. And
Husband says he prefers me with five fingers on each paw.
Rabbit
Rabbit
> A little googling turned up reviews of push mowers. Home Despot, Loews
> and Sears carry some.
>
Here's where I spend most of my pay:
They have some awesome push mowers.
Rabbit
Molly
True, but if the mulch is thick enough (8ish inches) then the hay seeds
can't find the ground to germinate. I don't anticipate problems, but
we'll see.
I wouldn't mind a few sprouting on my neighbor's untouchable lawn,
though.
Molly
Molly
> Kuan-tao wrote:
> > I loathe lawn mower noise, so we bought a silent little German push-mower.
>
> landscape it with drought-tolerant plants later, but won't have time to
> do that right off. I'd be interested in a push-mower. Which ones are
> good?
Try http://www.cleanairgardening.com - they have free shipping. I got
the German Brill mower, which I liked because the blades don't actually
touch, so the sharpening interval is 5-8 years. The Scotts mower will
mow higher, which might be good because most people mow their lawn way
too low.
Molly
Glory Hound
wrote:
>Oh, I'd love to have a chipper shredder. But I can tend to be a klutz. And
>Husband says he prefers me with five fingers on each paw.
>
Ever used one? You just have to be conservative. The chutes that
have stickers saying "keep hands out", quite simply, *mean* it. If
something isn't going through, then just get another stick to push it
through. No exceptions. You'd have to bury your arm in the chipper
chute just about up to your shoulder to get into trouble, but no
exceptions --- don't even put a finger beyond the imaginary wall the
end of the chute represents.
'Sides, mine is teensy. It only takes boughs up to 3" diameter and
you can tow it around the yard with just one person pulling it. The
greatest part about it is that you can dump all your leaves and little
twigs in the top shredder part and it turns those right into mulch.
It is *unbelievable* the difference I've already been able to make on
the property, and I've only had this sucker running three days! I
always think "hey, I could use some mulch there", but I never get
around to the time and expense of ordering some to be delivered, and I
sure never go to buy bags of it. Now I'm manufacturing it right here
on the grounds from stuff that's just lying around being ugly anyway!
Now, the BIG chipper that we rented from the hardware store last year
(which took up to 5" diameter logs and had these little grinder wheels
that sort of "self-propelled" stuff into its maw) --- *that* was
scary!
Elise
Veronique
Clover is good for lawns. In the 1950s, having a clover lawn was a bit
chic. Clover fixes nitrogen into the soil that otherwise might need to
be added artificially by fertilizer.
V.
Critter
owning
> > my own place and find some odd feeling of satisfaction from mowing the
> > grass. Unfortunately, the house had been unoccupied for the last few
> years,
> > so the neglect shows in the lawn. I'm hunting down whatever info I can
> find
> > to amend it and have it contain mostly grass rather than clover. Blech.
Clover makes a beautiful lawn, draught and disease resistant.
http://perc.ca/PEN/2001-04/lawn.html
Bozo Yoroshiku
Mist...@sexiestgeekalive.com says...
>So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it?
Love it. But, of course, we don't really have a yard. It's barely 100 ft^2 of
soil, and it's taken up with roses, clamatis, poppies, fuschias, and sweet
peas.
Julie
wrote:
>Weeds grew with
>> reckless abandon although I drowned them with weed killer. I believe they
>> became immune
>
>I really don't understand the obsession people have with weeds in their
>lawn. Monoculture isn't healthy, and that's what sod is.
>
>We absolutely love the sight of all those yellow dandelions in our field in
>spring. During droughts, we have a green lawn because there's so much
>plaintain and clover in it. And we're actually transplanting creeping ivy
>around the front yard. Other people buy weed killer to get rid of it; we're
>encouraging it. It looks nice, it doesn't grow more than an inch and you
>don't have to mow it.
>
>Weeds in the flower bed are something else, but in the lawn, hey, more power
>to 'em.
>
>Rabbit
>
I totally understand this, we have one flower bed, in our tiny front
garden, and every other year it gets given over to weeds (because I'm
lazy). However, if any of the neighbours complain, then my response
is 'it's green, what's the difference to last year' and they fold :-)
Julie
Julie
>
>This year was the first time I dabble in food. I've got some jalepeno peppers
>that are almost ready, and my basil is doing well. The cilantro has been a
>disappointment.
I don't know the climate you live in, but there are usually tomatoes
that can be grown in hanging baskets/containers. Last year (in the
UK), I didn't have to buy tomatoes from about June to late September.
I would have done the same this year but I forgot to plant the seeds
indoors in time to put them out on the balcony :-(
Julie
Jason G
[bamboo]
>> At this rate, by next year's party I'll have enough to build a tiki bar.
>
>....and the year after that, no yard to party in...
>
>V., seen too many yards that were entirely bamboo. Or bamboo roots.
Well, the back slope is bounded by a 2ft concrete ditch, so it won't be
creeping onto the flat part. And if the clumpers get out of control the
Bamboo Headquarters sells barriers. But I've got a 20ft circle of room around
each one before it becomes an issue. And with the poor hard clay soil, they
aren't going to spread quickly outside the 3ft holes I dug for them anyway. I
had to rent a goddamn jackhammer to dig the holes.
But if it gets too bad, I'll just cut it all down, lay down some sod, and move
before it sprouts again.
Rabbit
peppers
> >that are almost ready, and my basil is doing well. The cilantro has been
a
> >disappointment.
>
> I don't know the climate you live in, but there are usually tomatoes
> that can be grown in hanging baskets/containers. Last year (in the
> UK), I didn't have to buy tomatoes from about June to late September.
> I would have done the same this year but I forgot to plant the seeds
> indoors in time to put them out on the balcony :-(
>
> Julie
>
They're sold here as "patio tomatoes". If you're starting your own from
seed, "Lunch Box" is an excellent variety. They tend to have tougher skins
than indeterminate tomatoes, but they're still a damn sight better than
those pink gassed things at the supermarket.
Rabbit
CatWoman
>
> So tell me folks . . .yardwork: love it or hate it? Since I have alot of it
> to do in the near future I am having to learn to love it. Any pointers on
> making it more enjoyable? This project will not begin until next spring and
> I am already dreading it.
When I first moved here 11+ years ago - I had plans to do some
gardening. It's only a mobile home, with the small amount of
'property' that goes with that - I think the lot is about 24-25'
wide by 40' long, and the trailer takes up half the width.
I quickly realized that gardening is *NOT* my thing. I put in
some star jasmine that has now nicely overgrown the patio area,
some nasturtiums, and some ivy - and just let it grow. A couple
of times a year I hire a gardener to come out and get rid of the
weeds and trim it all back - sometimes I do some of the trimming
myself - but I don't get a real joy out of it the way some folks
do.
Diana
Veronique
> veroniq...@yahoo.com (Veronique) made obeisance before Us and spake thusly:
> [bamboo]
>
> >> At this rate, by next year's party I'll have enough to build a tiki bar.
> >
> >....and the year after that, no yard to party in...
> >
> >V., seen too many yards that were entirely bamboo. Or bamboo roots.
>
> Well, the back slope is bounded by a 2ft concrete ditch, so it won't be
> creeping onto the flat part. And if the clumpers get out of control the
> Bamboo Headquarters sells barriers. But I've got a 20ft circle of room around
> each one before it becomes an issue. And with the poor hard clay soil, they
> aren't going to spread quickly outside the 3ft holes I dug for them anyway. I
> had to rent a goddamn jackhammer to dig the holes.
My parent's next door neighbors put in bamboo as a screen. This is in
Maryland: think heavy clay soil and freezing winters, both of which
slow growth down. Bamboo laughs at clay soil. The bamboo sends runners
on TOP of the soil around three feet every year. With your 20 feet
between clumps, assuming growth is coming from two directions, you've
got about 4 years until they meet up.
>
> But if it gets too bad, I'll just cut it all down, lay down some sod, and move
> before it sprouts again.
The neighbors finally hired a bulldozer when their yard had shrunk to
the size of their patio.
Good luck!
V.