Disturbing article in Rolling Stone
Bill Bradley
tactics:
http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story?id=6388324&pageid=rs.PoliticsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1091651411868&has-player=false%3E&rnd=1091713404682&has-player=unknown&rnd=1091718552040&has-player=unknown&rnd=1091729961406&has-player=unknown
Bill
Beth Cole
Thanks for posting this.
They've already done the "ad in the newspaper" about Wesley. All it
seemed to do was improve the hospital's business.
This guy scares me more than R@nd@all Terry & his ilk ever did, because
he knows the law and how to skirt just within a millimeter of breaking it.
Beth
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sfw
> Oh, and by the way...your beloved President Shrub arranged for an
> abortion for his girlfriend in 1971, and paid hush money to the doctor
> and the girl's family.
oooooh. I find that fascinating. Cites? I want to be able to USE this
info!
Thanks pkd.
Sarah
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"Beth Cole" <eac...@amber.emporia.edu> wrote in message
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Jason G
says...
>
> Due to the clinic laws the Operation Rescue folks are changing their
>tactics:
How in the world is the behavior described not stalking and harassment?
Jason Steiner
> Bill Bradley says...
> >
> > Due to the clinic laws the Operation Rescue folks are changing their
> > tactics:
>
> How in the world is the behavior described not stalking and harassment?
Tried that with me, I think it'd be time to clean the guns. On a card
table. In the driveway.
jason
--
"Listen, my boy, I can't abide children. I know it's the style nowadays to
make a terrible fuss over you - but I don't go for it. As far as I'm concerned,
they're no good for anything but screaming, torturing people, breaking things,
smearing books with jam and tearing the pages." - The Neverending Story
Brigit
A lot of these asses play the liberal card. They pick their issue,
usually abortion and play liberal with everything else to appear
"rational" and people are so dumb they fall for it. There was a guy
playing this game in Albany, NY. He claimed he was a liberal guy, and
had Wiccan friend and thought being gay was great. The only thing he had
issue with was those "widdle fetuses" getting whacked and it was all an
act. I think the San Francisco abortion clinic has a mafia hand in it,
so it would be funny if he tried that there
Brigit
Citizen Ted
IMHO, the best response to this crap is to turn it around on them.
Have PP supporters put up a big banner behind the stalkers. Have them
arrange for a tit-for-tat fund drive.
For every leaflet sent out, the PP gets $1 from each of 500 donors.
For every minute some group of religious fuckholes harrass an
employee, the PP gets $1 from each of 500 donors.
For each harassing phone call received, PP gets a flat $1,000.
Then put a fancy ad in the paper describing the deal.
Of course, I would still arm each employee and family member and
initiate a barrage of civil lawsuits.
These psychotic religious ass-munchers need to realize that Free
Speech is a two-way street.
- TR
- willing to design the banner and get the donations rolling.
Jason G
>IMHO, the best response to this crap is to turn it around on them.
>
>Have PP supporters put up a big banner behind the stalkers. Have them
>arrange for a tit-for-tat fund drive.
>
>For every leaflet sent out, the PP gets $1 from each of 500 donors.
>For every minute some group of religious fuckholes harrass an
>employee, the PP gets $1 from each of 500 donors.
>For each harassing phone call received, PP gets a flat $1,000.
>
And do what with it? Somehow compensate employees for not only being prisoners
in their own homes, but having relentless slander and harassment campaigns
against the, so they can't even water their motherfucking lawns without
neighbors staring and talking, or worrying about being shot? Here, have a $1000
bonus. Sorry you can't have a quiet dinner or leave your house without feeling
like a hunted animal.
Jesus Christ, they are harassing frigging SECRETARIES. How is this legal?
Citizen Ted
<jrgu...@yahoo.REMOVEooTHISooPART.com> wrote:
The idea is to dissuade the assholes from doing it anymore.
If you knew that every time you opened your mouth you put money and
power into the hands of the person you're criticizing, you'd probably
re-think your strategy.
>Jesus Christ, they are harassing frigging SECRETARIES. How is this legal?
It's "legal"; it's also actionable.
- TR
Stephen J. Rush
As a guess, I'd say that the behavior differs in some (however
insignificant) detail from the statutory definitions of stalking and
harassment.
tom c
"pussycatdoll" <pussyc...@cheshirecat.com> wrote in message
news:j066h0h1j75g18ko1...@4ax.com...> Funny you should mention Jesus Christ. Were you to believe in him,
> what do you think HE would think of all of this nonsense?
>
> ---pussycatdoll
Find an internet Bible. Do a search on Pharisee or Scribe. You'll have your
answer.
Tom C
Jason G
>Funny you should mention Jesus Christ. Were you to believe in him,
>what do you think HE would think of all of this nonsense?
Dunno, but if he was with that crew, I'd kick the fucker in the balls.
J. Peter Mugaas
wrote:
>Isn't stalking illegal?
Yes, it is illegal if it meets the parameters of some laws. In some
states, it's a Misdemeanor. If the person does not, then they can't
be charged and the charges can't stick.
I think some laws are oriented towards former dating partners and
family. Usually, there has to be a threat.
There may be some grounds for a tort lawsuit (meaning that person sues
for damages) for things such as invasion of privacy. There are some
limits to that though and that might not apply to journalists.
These guys are smart. They will press for anything but know how far
they can go and will keep themselves in the parameter of the law. If
they protest, they will do so only on a sidewalk and not on the
person's property.
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LaTreen Washington
news:j066h0h1j75g18ko1...@4ax.com...
> On 5 Aug 2004 22:02:18 -0700, Jason G
> <jrgu...@yahoo.REMOVEooTHISooPART.com> wrote:
>
>
legal?
>
> fundiefreak stalkers walk onto residential properties to take their
> photos and go through trash? If the stalker went on the lawn of the
> prey, would the prey be within their rights to shoot the stalker?
>
IANAL (I Am Not A Lawyer) but here's a stab at an answer.
If the trash IS NOT on your property, but on the curb waiting for pick up,
it's legally up for grabs.
If you shot someone on your lawn, you would have to prove you felt your life
was in danger at that moment. Questions of reasonable force (homeowner w/
gun shoots unarmed trespasser) and the efforts you made to notify the police
would be raised.
As far as the trash issue goes, here is some case law on the subject:
http://www.floridadetectives.com/art_dumpster.htm
The US Supreme Court, in California v. Greenwood [486 U.S. 35 (1988)] upheld
that a person does not have a reasonable expectation of privacy in garbage
that has been left out with the curtilage of a residence or at the curb for
collection and would thereby not be a violation of a persons 4th Amendment
right if the garbage was picked up from there.
In United States v. Hedrick [922 F.2d 396 (7th Cir. 1991)], the U.S. Court
of Appeals also held that the defendant had no reasonable expectation of
privacy on garbage left on his driveway (50 feet from the house, 20 feet
from and unattached garage, and 18 feet from the sidewalk) for collection,
even though it was on the curtilage, because there was no fence or other
barrier securing the area, and it was readily accessible to children,
scavengers, snoops, or other members of the public.
See also: Unites States v. Shanks [97 F.3d 977 (7th Cir. 1996)]
See also: United States v. Redmon [117 F.3d 1036, 1038 n. 2 (7th Cir. 1997)]
In North Carolina v. Hauser [464 S.E.2d 443 (NC 1995)] the court held that a
police officer who requested that a sanitation worker pick up the trash from
the back of the defendant's residence and deliver it to the officer did not
violate any constitutional rights to privacy as the trash was collected from
the curtilage by the regular garbage collector, in the usual manner on the
scheduled collection day.
*************
When the US embassy in Iran was taken over by students, they painstakenly
reassembled the shredded documents they found. I'm sure the govt. now has
more sophisticated shredders - but do you have one?
Toss out a band-aid, or some plucked hairs and a DNA sample can be obtained.
Granted, it could be from a pet or another person, but if you live alone, or
if the DNA matches someone on a list of offenders - would that constitute
"probable cause"?
Marten Kemp
Every time I read about things like this I think of gathering
a group of large friends, and of places where no one would
hear the screams.
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Anna
> On Thu, 05 Aug 2004 18:29:10 GMT, Bill Bradley
> <sena...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
>
> > Due to the clinic laws the Operation Rescue folks are changing their
> >tactics:
> >http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story?id=6388324&pageid=rs.PoliticsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1091651411868&has-player=false%3E&rnd=1091713404682&has-player=unknown&rnd=1091718552040&has-player=unknown&rnd=1091729961406&has-player=unknown
>
> IMHO, the best response to this crap is to turn it around on them.
>
> Have PP supporters put up a big banner behind the stalkers. Have them
> arrange for a tit-for-tat fund drive.
>
> For every leaflet sent out, the PP gets $1 from each of 500 donors.
> For every minute some group of religious fuckholes harrass an
> employee, the PP gets $1 from each of 500 donors.
> For each harassing phone call received, PP gets a flat $1,000.
>
> Then put a fancy ad in the paper describing the deal.
>
> Of course, I would still arm each employee and family member and
> initiate a barrage of civil lawsuits.
>
country. My favorite fundie buster tho' is one that happened in
Denver, CO. The Rocky Mtn PP was getting a lot of protesters like the
ones in the article--Missionaries to the Preborn etc. One day a guy
with a legalize marijuana sandwich board showed up and joined in. The
fundies got so upset that they were being associated with a pro-drug
agenda that they scurried off looking a little confused.:)
When the Missionaries started to picket us in Great Falls we had
anti-choice people stop by and give us money--they saw that we did
other stuff than abortions and they hated the methods of the
Missionaries. Also, it's legal here to carry an unconcealed weapon.
Getting the concealed carry permit is a little harder. But better to
be judged by 12 than carried by 6.
KFB ESQ
>a group of large friends, and of places where no one would
>hear the screams.<<
There's a lot to be said for that approach. Back in the '80s when I was a law
student and in all my free time a volunteer escort/body guard at Planned
Parenthood in California, I learned that (1) these people are not stupid, (2)
they are, however, lunatics with a cause, (3) they cannot be reasoned with, (4)
there can be no compromises reached with them, and (5) they will do anything
they think will advance their irrational agenda and can get away with.
I've been up close and physical with these loonies. They're sick, frightening
people. But they do understand and generally respect power, resolve, and
strength in their enemies.
Kevin
stePH
> A common shout I would hear as I did my work was that these lunatics
> would bomb the clinic, kill the workers, do anything to stop the
> activities within. Killing people because you believe abortion is
> killing babies. I see the logic in the that. Right.
It made perfect sense to Paul Hill.
stePH
--
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den to throw baby rabbits off a cliff!" -- Moroboshi Ataru
KFB ESQ
>fundie freaks were outside the clinic every single day I was there,
>shouting terrible things at the patients, waving huge signs with
>terrible pictures, and very often throwing things...usually eggs.<<
That's what upset me most about doing the escort work; seeing these already
visibly upset (mostly) young girls subjected to that vile bullshit from the
christers. It would tear me up to see what these assholes would do to these
poor girls.
I managed to contain my anger and do my job with one major exception. There
was one particular woman who showed up every weekend. She was a
leader--particularly aggressive and verbally abusive to both patients and
escorts. For some reason, a woman chose to park some distance away from the
clinic. As it became obvious she was heading for the clinic entrance, both I
and the loony ran toward the incoming patient. I got there a few steps before
she did and positioned myself between the women and the loony.
When she realized that she wasn't going to get her hands on the patient, she
spouted some vile crap at both of us and then much to my surprise backhanded me
across the side of my head in what appeared to be shear frustration. As far as
I was concerned, she had just crossed the line. Now she was no petite little
thing. She was a big woman. But at that time, I was about 5"11', 240, and in
good shape.
Anyway, I saw red. Within two seconds of her hitting me, I spun around and hit
her square in the face with my closed fist as hard as I possibly could. She
went down like the sack of shit she was. For a second I thought I might have
broken her neck, then the pain hit my hand. I managed not to show the pain of
my throbbing hand, walked up to her, got down, grabbed her by the neck, lifted
her up a bit, looked directly into her eyes and softly said something to the
effect that if I saw her here again, I'd kill her at a time and place of my
choosing.
I must have put on a convincing performance. She never showed her face at the
clinic again.
Not many people know that story.
Kevin
Jason Steiner
> pussycatdoll wrote:
> >
> > A common shout I would hear as I did my work was that these
> > lunatics would bomb the clinic, kill the workers, do anything to
> > stop the activities within. Killing people because you believe
> > abortion is killing babies. I see the logic in the that. Right.
>
> It made perfect sense to Paul Hill.
A lot of things make perfect sense if you start from false premises.
If you genuinely believe that fetuses and even zygotes are full human
beings who should be granted full human rights under the law, then
killing in their defense is no different than killing in defense of
anyone else.
It is the premises you must attack.
J.W.T. Meakin
kfb...@aol.comshmom says...
>
> I've been up close and physical with these loonies. They're sick, frightening
> people. But they do understand and generally respect power, resolve, and
> strength in their enemies.
Sounds like Relations Between Nations as played for the last 6000 years.
Bill.
Scott
<pussyc...@cheshirecat.com> wrote:
>On 5 Aug 2004 22:02:18 -0700, Jason G
><jrgu...@yahoo.REMOVEooTHISooPART.com> wrote:
>
>>Jesus Christ, they are harassing frigging SECRETARIES. How is this legal?
>
>I told DH about this article and he had a question: do these
>fundiefreak stalkers walk onto residential properties to take their
>photos and go through trash? If the stalker went on the lawn of the
>prey, would the prey be within their rights to shoot the stalker?
Unlikely. However, in this case the intruder probably has shredded cabbage
for brains. As we all know, vegetables need water, so a good soaking from
the garden hose would be fine.
Add a pesticide sprayer loaded with vinegar or ammonia as needed.
-Scott
--
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any good, you'll have to ram them down people's throats."
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Auntie Em
<sena...@NOSPAMearthlink.net> wrote:
> Due to the clinic laws the Operation Rescue folks are changing their
>tactics:
>http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story?id=6388324&pageid=rs.PoliticsArchive&pageregion=mainRegion&rnd=1091651411868&has-player=false%3E&rnd=1091713404682&has-player=unknown&rnd=1091718552040&has-player=unknown&rnd=1091729961406&has-player=unknown
>
> Bill
She needs to find out where HE lives and send his neighbors a few
postcards. If he is like most fundie types, he's got a few skeletons
in his closet that he wouldn't want the whole world knowing about.
Em
unknown
Pete <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
> In article <20040806162413...@mb-m28.aol.com>,
> kfb...@aol.comshmom (KFB ESQ) wrote:
>
> > I must have put on a convincing performance. She never showed her
> > face at the clinic again.
>
> I am not worthy...Pete
me neither.
--j_a (who only ever had a (medium sized male) fundie bounce off me
after he made a dash for a patient, and -surpirse surprise!- i didn't
step aside. (i'm female and five three and 112 lb, BTW; he was
definitley a lot wussier than he looked.) we did have one patient
threaten to come back after her procedure with her husband's
semi-automatic though... we talked her out of it.)
J.W.T. Meakin
nor...@nowhere.com says...
> >
> > I am not worthy...Pete
>
> me neither.
>
> --j_a (who only ever had a (medium sized male) fundie bounce off me
> after he made a dash for a patient, and -surpirse surprise!- i didn't
> step aside. (i'm female and five three and 112 lb, BTW; he was
> definitley a lot wussier than he looked.)
That's pretty damn worthy. Bill.
No kids 4 you
>Not many people know that story.
>
>Kevin
That rocked! I hate it when nasty people get away with crap all the time.
Good for your for getting rid of her. Plus it's a good story.
Joann Evans
> I must have put on a convincing performance. She never showed her face at the
> clinic again.
>
> Not many people know that story.
>
> Kevin
(overdue round of applause)
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"KFB ESQ" <kfb...@aol.comshmom> wrote in message
news:20040806162413...@mb-m28.aol.com...
>
> I must have put on a convincing performance. She never showed her face at
the
> clinic again.
>
> Not many people know that story.
You rock!
Katie
Wow! My kinda guy!
Katie <bows at your feet>
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