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"Election lessons: Abortion delivers for Democrats from Ohio to Virginia to Kentucky"
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Lenona
Nov 8, 2023, 1:41:42 PM11/8/23
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More here:
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/08/1211429268/abortion-rights-2023-election-ohio-virginia-kentucky
I forgot to say that some radio personality said that, because of "surprises" like this, Donald Trump will be forced to turn pro-choice in another few months.
Sort of.
https://www.npr.org/2023/11/08/1211429268/abortion-rights-2023-election-ohio-virginia-kentucky
I forgot to say that some radio personality said that, because of "surprises" like this, Donald Trump will be forced to turn pro-choice in another few months.
Sort of.
Lenona
Nov 8, 2023, 2:26:07 PM11/8/23
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And I am not interested in joining Reddit or X, etc., but many of the comments at MSN almost make me want to register there to quote Katha Pollitt:
"The fact is, when your back is against the wall of unwanted pregnancy, it doesn't matter whether or not you think the fetus is a person. That's why, in this country, Roman Catholic women, who are less likely to use effective birth control, have a higher abortion rate than Jews or Protestants."
(That was from 1988, but I'd be surprised if things have changed significantly.)
How many people REALLY think that an abortion in the first thirty DAYS counts as murder? Does the same go for any herbal abortions that didn't call for a doctor or taxpayers' money?
And out of that group, how many would be willing to send the woman to PRISON for years?
Chances are, we pretty much all know more than one woman - among our loved ones, no less - who has had an abortion. If you knew who that loved one was, would you want to see HER go to prison? I doubt it.
"The fact is, when your back is against the wall of unwanted pregnancy, it doesn't matter whether or not you think the fetus is a person. That's why, in this country, Roman Catholic women, who are less likely to use effective birth control, have a higher abortion rate than Jews or Protestants."
(That was from 1988, but I'd be surprised if things have changed significantly.)
How many people REALLY think that an abortion in the first thirty DAYS counts as murder? Does the same go for any herbal abortions that didn't call for a doctor or taxpayers' money?
And out of that group, how many would be willing to send the woman to PRISON for years?
Chances are, we pretty much all know more than one woman - among our loved ones, no less - who has had an abortion. If you knew who that loved one was, would you want to see HER go to prison? I doubt it.
Lenona
Nov 12, 2023, 3:56:01 PM11/12/23
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Lenona
Nov 13, 2023, 3:50:48 PM11/13/23
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And here's a GREAT New York Times column today, from David French (a conservative, for those who don't know):
https://dnyuz.com/2023/11/12/the-new-republican-party-isnt-ready-for-the-post-roe-world/
"The New Republican Party Isn’t Ready for the Post-Roe World"
Ohio is not a swing state, not any longer. Donald Trump won it by eight points, twice. It has a Republican governor, and while its senators are split between the parties, its U.S. House delegation is made up of 10 Republicans and five Democrats. And yet Ohio just passed an abortion-rights referendum by a margin of more than 13 points.
There’s no way to spin this result. There’s no way to spin every other pro-choice result in every other red-state referendum. The pro-life movement is in a state of electoral collapse, and I think I know one reason.
In the eight years since the so-called New Right emerged on the scene and Trump began to dominate the Republican landscape, the Republican Party has become less libertarian but more libertine, and libertinism is ultimately incompatible with a holistic pro-life worldview.
I’m not arguing that the pro-choice position is inherently libertine. There are many millions of Americans — including pro-choice Republicans — who arrive at their position through genuine philosophical disagreement with the idea that an unborn child possesses the same inherent worth as anyone else. But I’ve seen Republican libertinism with my own eyes. I know that it distorts the culture of the Republican Party and red America.
The difference between libertarianism and libertinism can be summed up as the difference between rights and desires. A libertarian is concerned with her own liberty but also knows that this liberty ends where yours begins. The entire philosophy of libertarianism depends on a healthy recognition of human dignity. A healthy libertarianism can still be individualistic, but it’s also deeply concerned with both personal virtue and the rights of others. Not all libertarians are pro-life, but a pro-life libertarian will recognize the humanity and...
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https://dnyuz.com/2023/11/12/the-new-republican-party-isnt-ready-for-the-post-roe-world/
"The New Republican Party Isn’t Ready for the Post-Roe World"
Ohio is not a swing state, not any longer. Donald Trump won it by eight points, twice. It has a Republican governor, and while its senators are split between the parties, its U.S. House delegation is made up of 10 Republicans and five Democrats. And yet Ohio just passed an abortion-rights referendum by a margin of more than 13 points.
There’s no way to spin this result. There’s no way to spin every other pro-choice result in every other red-state referendum. The pro-life movement is in a state of electoral collapse, and I think I know one reason.
In the eight years since the so-called New Right emerged on the scene and Trump began to dominate the Republican landscape, the Republican Party has become less libertarian but more libertine, and libertinism is ultimately incompatible with a holistic pro-life worldview.
I’m not arguing that the pro-choice position is inherently libertine. There are many millions of Americans — including pro-choice Republicans — who arrive at their position through genuine philosophical disagreement with the idea that an unborn child possesses the same inherent worth as anyone else. But I’ve seen Republican libertinism with my own eyes. I know that it distorts the culture of the Republican Party and red America.
The difference between libertarianism and libertinism can be summed up as the difference between rights and desires. A libertarian is concerned with her own liberty but also knows that this liberty ends where yours begins. The entire philosophy of libertarianism depends on a healthy recognition of human dignity. A healthy libertarianism can still be individualistic, but it’s also deeply concerned with both personal virtue and the rights of others. Not all libertarians are pro-life, but a pro-life libertarian will recognize the humanity and...
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