Mother loses custody of daughters over 'House of Horrors'
Dan Sullivan
Mother loses custody of daughters over 'House of Horrors'
BY ANDREW STRICKLER AND JOHN VALENTI
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February 23, 2007, 2:01 PM EST
In a Suffolk courtroom Friday, Judge Mark Cohen removed Deborah
Young's children from her custody and ordered them into temporary
custody with the county.
The children would be kept together in an "interim therapeutic
setting," according to the judge who also ordered Deborah Young's
occupancy of the Lindenhurst home terminated citing health concerns.
He gave her 30 days to retrieve her personal items.
In doing so, the judge denied a request by Ray Young Jr. for the
children to be put in his custody or custody of his family.
"It is very much the court's intention to keep the children together,"
said Cohen.
Earlier this week, Raymond Young Jr., in the middle of a custody
battle with his estranged wife, Deborah, over their three daughters,
ages 10, 12 and 14, went to the modest white two-story home owned by
him and his father -- and found the house filled with feces, bottles
of urine, piles of used toilet tissue and other filth. The scene was
dubbed the "House of Horrors."
Cohen also ordered psychiatric evaluations of both the Youngs and
their three daughters.
Deborah Young did not speak during the brief hearing, which was
delayed by more than three hours for private conferences among her
attorney Maureen Glass and attorneys for Ray Young Jr. as well as
representatives from the county district attorney's office. Bombarded
by the media, she held up a multi-colored scarf to cover her face as
she left the courtroom.
Cohen also agreed that child support would be suspended while the
children were in the care of the county. The judge ordered the mother
and father to appear on March 6 for a status conference and a report
on the children.
Attorney Kevin Werner, one of Ray Young's attorneys, said that Ray
Young would take "all necessary steps" to clean up the house.
Copyright 2007 Newsday Inc.
dragonsgirl
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Maybe DFS should pay for a housekeeper for this lady so that this family can
stay together?
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Makes me miss the old days when older wiser folks, extended family,
ones church or other social group, would not let such things happen.
Where were her friends?
Are we so terrified of each other these days we just let this happen?
The truth is, of course, there were no good old days...just the
occasional good old person.
I am forever indebted to the old lady with the dairy down the road
from the cabin where my parents lived, when I was a tiny infant.
Every day, she'd leave a quart of milk on the step....no money changed
hands, and she refused to admit she was the "perpetrator."
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Dan Sullivan
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I'll respond as if you're serious.
At this point the mother is beyond accepting help. A while back there
was a TV show about a similar family in New England. The house was
full of garbage, but NOT to the extent as in Lindnhurst. CPS got the
adults to clean up but they just slipped back to their old habits.
Filth, garbage, animal feces all over the house... and a toddler
walkng around thru all of it. Eventually the child was removed for
safety reasons.
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In 1980 when I did my practicum with CPS I recall hearing workers
discuss causes for reform, CAPTA later, and ASFA after that, and they
referred to a phenomena that comes out of "help" and "lenient judges,"
called "party harty."
People would simply party away the child's childhood while letting CPS
and foster parents care for the children.
Seems there was rather a lot of that going on...because there was no
time line that was adhered to by the courts (there was one, the judges
just ignored it...that's why the money got tied to the timeline).
A bit of Lore.
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I found it facinating that others weren't as alarmed at the chainsaw
sitting next to the woodstove in that "cluttered" home.
I've seen gasoline go up in an enclosed area, and ran fire safety
classes for my hospital and put on demonstrations of even weaker
volitiles (deisel rather than gasoline) and seen what they can do.
In a home like that, had that little tiny gastank gone off likely few
would have escaped in an enclosed area...and very unlikely a child
would survive.
LIttle kids like to open things. Like filler caps on daddy's
chainsaw.
Kane
Ron
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> Maybe DFS should pay for a housekeeper for this lady so that this family
> can stay together?
I also will respond as if you were serious, not knowing for sure.
I have seen cases where the parents were given house keeping services for as
long as 2 years, and it didn't help. I even assisted in the clean up of a
home myself only to find that 2 months later it was in the same condition.
And we took 8 Pick-up truck loads of trash and junk out of the house (not
the yard) the first time. The second time it was also infested with
cockroaches and other insects, we didn't even try cleaning it. It was
condemned and burned in place (a single wide trailer) by the city fire
department.
Ron
Dan Sullivan
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> > Maybe DFS should pay for a housekeeper for this lady so that this family
> > can stay together?
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> I also will respond as if you were serious, not knowing for sure.
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> I have seen cases where the parents were given house keeping services for as
> long as 2 years, and it didn't help. I even assisted in the clean up of a
> home myself only to find that 2 months later it was in the same condition.
> And we took 8 Pick-up truck loads of trash and junk out of the house (not
> the yard) the first time. The second time it was also infested with
> cockroaches and other insects, we didn't even try cleaning it. It was
> condemned and burned in place (a single wide trailer) by the city fire
> department.
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> Ron
A while back a woman on LI finally moved out of her hovel/home.
The town removed over twenty TONS of garbage from inside the house.
Amazing that the house hadn't collapsed.
Luckily she lived alone.
dragonsgirl
I had hoped y'all knew me well enough to know that I wasn't serious with the
housekeeper comment.
Dan Sullivan
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My response was for the people who don't know you.
Best, Dan
Greegor
Iowans on 'Wife Swap' trigger viewers' fears
State officials find no credible reports of abuse. The Haigwoods are
home-schooled and eat a raw food diet.
BY JENNIFER JACOBS AND ERIN CRAWFORD REGISTER STAFF WRITERS
February 21, 2007
State child abuse officials were peppered with complaints from across
the country Tuesday after an Iowa family was featured on the
television show "Wife Swap" eating raw eggs and meat, living in an
untidy home, and seemingly letting the children go unschooled.
State officials said there appears to be no child abuse in this case.
An unorthodox diet and messy housekeeping don't amount to abuse, and
the parents have filed the proper paperwork to home-school their two
teenage children.
Barb and Mike Haigwood, who raise organic food on a farm near Massena,
applied to appear on "Wife Swap," which asks two wives leading
dramatically different lives to exchange roles for two weeks. The
episode aired Monday night on ABC.
The Haigwoods' children, Aleesha, 13, and Lee, 16, said they do not go
to school, and the boy said his schooling includes counting how many
eggs his chickens produce.
Barb Haigwood, 37, said she believes in eating every two to three
hours, so she wakes the children during the night to drink a beverage
containing kefir, a yogurt-like product.
The Iowa Department of Human Services logged a number of calls to its
child abuse hot line, as well as at least 10 messages e-mailed to its
Web site, said spokesman Roger Munns. The agency director received one
fax.
DHS only investigates child abuse and neglect cases when there is a
credible report that, if proven true, would amount to abuse, Munns
said.
"None of these reports rise to that threshold," he said. "People who
eat unusual food and feed it to their children are not abusive, nor
are people whose houses are not tidy."
The Haigwoods filed paperwork proving competent private schooling, as
the law requires, said Steve Pelzer, superintendent of the Cumberland
and Massena school district. A licensed teacher from the West Des
Moines area monitors the children's progress, he said.
On Tuesday, Barb Haigwood said the family could not comment unless
reporters go through ABC's public relations department. A spokesman
for the network could not be reached Tuesday afternoon.
Previously, Haigwood had told the Register that she and her family eat
nothing but raw food - eggs and meat included. They adopted this plan,
which eliminates additives or dyes, as a way to deal with health
problems related to their daughter's attention deficit disorder.
Dan Sullivan
Greegor
Did you think this important agency declaration about
"untidy houses" wasn't relevant to this story? How is that Dan?
On Feb 26, 8:27 pm, "Greegor" <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> http://www.desmoinesregister.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=2007702210437
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> Iowans on 'Wife Swap' trigger viewers' fears
> State officials find no credible reports of abuse. The Haigwoods are
> home-schooled and eat a raw food diet.
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> BY JENNIFER JACOBS AND ERIN CRAWFORD REGISTER STAFF WRITERS
> February 21, 2007
>
> State child abuse officials were peppered with complaints from across
> the country Tuesday after an Iowa family was featured on the
> television show "Wife Swap" eating raw eggs and meat, living in anuntidyhome, and seemingly letting the children go unschooled.
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> On Feb 26, 8:40 pm, "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
>> On Feb 26, 9:27 pm, "Greegor" <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> OT
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>> Start a new thread, dingleberry.
>
> Did you think this important agency declaration about
> "untidy houses" wasn't relevant to this story? How is that Dan?
Nope. But if that's what you meant, why not say so in the first post?
Or are you just doing another of your passive aggressive stunts?
So, tell us, what IS the connection between the original case in this
thread, that had what is propported to be an horrendous living condition
situation and this one WHERE THE PUBLIC CALLED IN, Doan?
CPS didn't make a connection...the public did, and CPS rejected the
public's claim of abuse.
Got ANYTHING TO SAY ABOUT THAT, or is needle stuck in the Fern groove of
what ever it is it has to be CPS fault?
Did you not bother to read this part, or in your hysteria to blame CPS
for a SOCIETAL ERROR, miss this?:
"The Iowa Department of Human Services logged a number of calls to its
child abuse hot line, as well as at least 10 messages e-mailed to its
Web site, said spokesman Roger Munns. The agency director received one
fax.
DHS only investigates child abuse and neglect cases when there is a
credible report that, if proven true, would amount to abuse, Munns
said.
"None of these reports rise to that threshold," he said. "People who
eat unusual food and feed it to their children are not abusive, nor
are people whose houses are not tidy."
It must have rubbed you raw to see Iowa CPS doing you what you claim it
doesn't do...protect families.
They stood up for parents RIGHTS, YOU LITTLE PISSANT who attacks every
parent coming here for help, and all those that have succeeded against CPS.
Got anything to say for yourself, you cur?
Explain why you are once again blaming CPS for something they not only
did not do but in fact STOPPED OTHERS FROM DOING.
Come on....answer up you little piece of dog shit.
RRR R R R R R R RR RRRRR
Dan Sullivan
> On Feb 26, 8:40 pm, "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
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> > On Feb 26, 9:27 pm, "Greegor" <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
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> > OT
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> > Start a new thread, dingleberry.
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> Did you think this important agency declaration about
> "untidy houses" wasn't relevant to this story? How is that Dan?
Your "important agency declaration" is from Iowa.
The story I posted is about a house in New York.
And the story I posted wasn't about an "untidy house" was it,
dingleberry?
YOU even said "This is not mere clutter or hoarding, it's hardcore
mental illness."
So it's a different state and according to you, it's not an untidy
house.
But YOU see relevance?
Start your own thread, dingleberry.
Better yet, start your own newsgroup.
That way everything YOU post will be relevant... to YOUR mental
illness.
GFYS, Greg.