My Review Hearing.........
Jennifer
have been in States Custody for 7 months now. I have complied with all
Court orders, and am doing quite well on my own. So I wrote a letter
to the Referee in my case, and my Lawyer gave it to all parties before
the hearing started. The Judge started with SCF, by asking what was
going on as far as visitation. My case worker stated that they were
having a problem finding a driver for visits, so we weren't hardley
getting any at the moment. The judge basically said "You will provide
increased visitation immediately if it ordered" She really went off on
Scf. She then told the worker that I wanted my kids home today, and
asked how much longer would they like to see me consistantly
continuing w/ Treatment and Parenting before reunification. My worker
said about 2 1/2 to 3 months. Judge said NOPE! 30 to 45 days MAX!!!!
And I want these kids returned to mothers care. The Lawyer for my
children agreed, and SCF was ordered to schedule a family meeting
within two weeks to discuss visits. Well the worker and Foster mother
and I discussed it after court, and Scf has let us corrodinate the
visits between us without any involvement with SCF, as long as we kept
them some what informed as to how it would work. So the Foster mom,
who has my 7 mo. old twins, and my mom, who has my 3 yr. old son, meet
each other somewhere, and we go from there. I begged the court to
allow me to spend Christmas with my kids, and so my visits went from 2
times a week at SCF's office to 1 time a week , now it's not even
regulated by SCF and its more meaningful. I know SCF is hating every
mintue of it, but they had to agree to this since they know they dont
have the resorces to comply with the court order. I LOVE IT...
Anyways, I was so shocked at the outcome of this hearing. The judge,
CASA, and finally even my own Lawyer, were on my side. That is how it
is supposed to be. When you totaly comply with the Court orders, then
the court should back you up. As has happened here in my case. But
now, I'm scared to death. I guess I'm just nerveous about finally
being able to take on my role as mom. I am so elated. The boyfriend is
now in Impatient Treatment for the next 6 months, and I will be
raising my 3 by myself. It's kind of a scarey thing. But I welcome it.
My mom and I are taking the babies to meet my whole family for the
first time on Sunday. I have a huge family and they dont even know we
are comming yet. I think I wont tell them until I get there. Hee Hee.
Well sorry this was so long, but I was just so excited to tell you. I
know this is all nothing short of a miracle. And not about following
the laws, and I wish for this miracle to come to all of you this
Christmas. Thanks for listening
As always
Jen
dan
Hello Jennifer,
I was just about to send you an e-mail to find out what was going on
when your story popped up on Google.
I can't tell you how happy I am to hear the latest.
This certainly will be the Christmas to remember for you and your
family!
Please include all the families who didn't get such a special
Christmas gift in your daily prayers (if you haven't ALREADY started
praying every day, I suggest you start now).
The REAL miracle of this whole debacle was the fact that you found the
strength to put your life back on the right path and reunite with your
kids.
Not everyone can do it.
SomeOne was watching over you. Don't forget it.
All the best, Happy Holidays, Merry Christmas, and stay on track,
Dan Sullivan, the wise man from the east. (levity!)
Jennifer
Thanks Dan. I apprecieate that. And my prayers go out to everyone,
fortunate or not. Merry Christmas all!!!!!!!!!!!
Jen
CPSCswrkr
>I was just so excited to tell you. I know this is all nothing short of a
miracle.
Congratulations, Jen! Good for you! And for your kids!
Have a Merry Christmas!
Neal Feldman
And do not forget even once you have the kids back to file suit against
these criminals if you can. If nothing else your kids will need college
funds.
Do beware however... as you pointed out you went into that hearing holding
all the cards... they had nothing against you and you had done every
unreasonable thing they demanded of you... but remember the Gastons got a
judge to dismiss all charges and allegations against them and order
Melissa to be returned immediately and she was never returned and all the
same charges were simply reinstituted against them by Gestapo CPS.
As Yogi Berra said, "It ain't over til it's over". Even when you get your
kids back, if they think you are not strong and knowledgable and more than
ready to defend your family against all comers they WILL likely come at
you again.
They do not like to lose, they are vicious and they are very retaliatory.
You need to make sure they know full well that if they ever try any BS
like this again they WILL have consequences... and what they had with you
this time will be a CAKE WALK to them on what they will have in any future
dealings with you and your family.
Again, congratulations and happy holidays!
Jennifer wrote:
--
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Home Page: http://home.attbi.com/~silverstorm/
We will never rest until Gestapo CPS is completely abolished!
Neal Feldman
CPSCswrkr wrote:
CPSCswrkr, just curious... what do YOU think of the actions of Gestapo CPS in
this case? Especially their request that the children they clearly have held
for SEVEN MONTHS for no good reason should be held ANOTHER three months at
least?
Just curious.
Visa360
Glad stuck to your agenda and didn't let yourself get sidetracked...I
wondered what happened to you~good work! Aword to the wise~they can always come
back and try to take them again...you are a stronger person for going up
against them..stay strong...congrats
spd
Ron
Glad to hear it Jen. It sounds like you and the foster parent found
ways to work around the weaknesses in the system, and that is not
always easy.
Ron
Fern5827
I AM GLAD you have a supportive Mother and Family.
However justice delayed is justice denied.
Neal's question about the length of incarceration by the state is certainly
pertinent.
Caseworkers---need a target date and objectives for achieving them.
As it is, some girl with a degree in art history could be evaluating you and
your home. A childless girl.
Even worse, an unempathic, uninformed young adult.
Congrats to you!
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CPSCswrkr
>CPSCswrkr, just curious... what do YOU think of the actions of Gestapo CPS in
this case?
I've seen instances where the powers of the agency didn't want to let go of a
family when they really should. I've seen instances where the court doesn't
want to let go, and we (agency, family, GAL) all seem to gang up on the master.
I've seen instances where we desparately wanted to let go of a family, but
they wouldn't behave so we could justify our recommendation to the court.
I think the first instance troubles me the most, but that's just my opinion.
When my opinion differs with those from up on high, my opinion matters little.
Greg Hanson
a young idealistic childless woman with narrow view
and fanatical feminist political agenda, or,
The classical OLD bitter barren childless woman,
quick to judge somebody based on trivia, narrow minded,
or,
A pinhead of either gender who just wants to score
one for the home team (CPS) against the evil parents,
all FOR A NICE PAYCHECK.
Jennifer
I just want to tell you all, THANK YOU! Had it not been for this news
group, I would never have had the knowledge, or courage to stand up to
this agency, or the motivation. I think I probably would have been
just like far too many are, and that is the feeling of defeat, before
it even started. Too many people in these types of cases, just sit
back and let it all happen. They dont know their rights, nor do they
seem to have it in them to fight all the way, no matter who they go up
against. I truly believe that if more familys were aware of the
support that is out there, like all of you, then there would
definately be less federal funding for CPS, since they would not be
getting as many adoptions.
Again I would like to stress my Graditued to all of you who have given
me such respect and support, dispite the fact that it actuality, It
was my fault that my kids were put through this hell. I used drugs
while I was pregnant, and I didnt give my twins the best of chances
for being born without problems from my drug use, but that doesnt mean
that I loved my babies any less than any of you, and you all
understood that. You will always be my mentors, and my friends, and I
will always keep you in my prayers. I am making this my life's work to
inform the rest of the Nation, in anyway possible, about this agency,
as well as any other Government Agency's, role in violating our
rights, and how to make them accountable when they do. If any one out
there knows of any type of work that I could do in this field, please
let me know.
God Bless you all,
And MERRY CHRISTMAS!!!!! LOVE AND RESPECT, ALWAYS
Jen
dan
"... in actuality, it was my fault that my kids were put through this
hell.
I used drugs while I was pregnant, and I didn't give my twins the best
of
chances for being born without problems from my drug use... "
The above realization was extremely difficult to make, and was the
first step on Jennifer's road to recovery AND reunification with her
children.
I believe it's possible that CPS was trying to get the mother to agree
to only take her three year old son back and not the twins so they
could claim SHE was the one who suggested leaving the twins in
fostercare.
I would not be surprised.
Be that as it may, Jennifer focused on the real problem and had the
passion and love for her children to stay the course and eventually
prevail.
Let this be a lesson for all of us.
Jennifer did her job, CPS did theirs (however reluctantly and with the
prodding of the judge), and the judge did her job.
Sometimes it does come out right in spite of the expectations.
Happy Holidays, Dan Sullivan
PS And screw the attny, it was Jennifer's letter that put her over the
top!
Neal Feldman
Ron wrote:
The foster parent in this case is a kidnapping childstealer who has expressed a desire to permanently
kidnap Jen's kids from her.
Under such circumstances the only dealings with that foster parent should be the most minimal of terseness
and abrupt departure letting them know they are NOT approved of in ANY way!
Jennifer
Actually that is not the case here. The foster parents have been
wonderful, and have been supporting me all along. They of course, love
my twins dearly, and will be sad when they go, but are quite happy
that I am getting them back. I have told them that they will always be
apart of our lives. I guess I am just a lucky one. So far, SCF, has
pulled every trick in the book to keep my kids, yet they did not
prevail. And even though I dont have them home as of yet, the court
has ordered it, and we start transitioning for my 3 yr. old on the
11th of Jan. My twins will follow shortly there after. Wish us luck.
Thanks
Jen
Neal Feldman
Jennifer wrote:
I am willing to stand corrected, Jen. I may be confusing your case with another. Come to think of it I believe
it is Nehmo's case I am confusing yours with.
> The foster parents have been wonderful,
Don't know how 'wonderful' I would consider anyone keeping my kids from me as being.
> and have been supporting me all along.
Well if that is the case then I can cut them some slack.
> They of course, love
> my twins dearly, and will be sad when they go, but are quite happy
> that I am getting them back. I have told them that they will always be
> apart of our lives.
Again, I do not know how much I would recommend that... allowing ANY part of the Gestapo CPS apparatus into your
life and home is, to me, a big mistake you would likely regret.
> I guess I am just a lucky one. So far, SCF, has
> pulled every trick in the book to keep my kids, yet they did not
> prevail.
And glad to hear that.
> And even though I dont have them home as of yet, the court
> has ordered it, and we start transitioning for my 3 yr. old on the
> 11th of Jan. My twins will follow shortly there after. Wish us luck.
Best of luck to you... but do not forget... in the Gaston case the judge ordered all charges dismissed because
every witness against the Gastons recanted their testimony, and the child Melissa was ordered returned ot her
family immediately, and all Gestapo CPS did was turn around and refile the SAME DISMISSED CHARGES and Melissa
has completely vanished... never produced or seen in years now.
Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen.
Never.
Jennifer
NOPE. I never will. And I wont fully believe them when they say my
babies are comming home. until I actualy pull into my drive way with
them and all their stuff, for good. Neal, do you know anything about
the transitioning process in this State, or SCF's policy on how it is
to be done? Also, do you know anything about the policy on supervised
visits, and when they are or are not neccessary?
Thanks
Jen
Neal Feldman
"destroycps!" wrote:
> Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!
>
> Neal Feldman says...
> >I am willing to stand corrected, Jen. I may
> >be confusing your case with another. Come to think of it I believe
> >it is Nehmo's case I am confusing yours with.
>
> Destroycps!
> That’s a major piece of confusion, Neal. I’m somewhat in communication with
> Nehmo. And I don’t doubt he would post himself except the Guardian ad Litem,
> Donald Scott Forrester, and the DFS (Missouri’s Division of Family Services)
> attorneys have threatened Nehmo regarding his postings. The threats were vague,
> but nonetheless, I understand Nehmo wants to be able to testify that he hasn’t
> posted about his case since the threats.
>
> His family’s case is now almost 39 months old.
>
> There were no illegal drugs involved in his case.
>
> At the last report I got, DFS had moved Blaze, Nehmo’s son, completely away from
> Missouri to Georgia because the foster/hostage-keeper took a mechanic’s job at
>
> RBM of Atlanta, Inc
> http://www.atlanta.mercedescenter.com/mbcenter/b/index.jhtml
> 7640 Roswell Rd
> Atlanta, GA 30350-4839
>
> Chuck Reynoles General Manager
> John Ellis owner
> You can write them care of
> Steven G. Kleinschmidt (probably an accountant)
> (770) 390 - 0700
> sgk...@aol.com
>
> This place is deserving of a boycott because it hires kidnappers. (They probably
> don’t know Greg Collins does this sort of thing, though.)
>
> These people, Greg and Chris Collins, are genuine foster-for-money kidnappers.
> Right now, they’re rubbing their hands together at the prospect of the 10K$
> adoption tax credit.
>
> Nehmo goes to the TPR (Termination of Parental Rights) hearing on February 5,
> 2002.
>
> He has a web-based e-addy: neh...@hotmail.com
>
> An out-of-date site describing their family’s case:
> http://home.kc.rr.com/missouri/Susan_Talks.htm
>
> DFS hasn’t allowed Nehmo’s wife, Susan, to see her baby in more than a year.
> This is because at one point she left town and stopped participating in
> (so-called) services.
>
> DFS flies Blaze and his guard up to Missouri once per month to comply with the
> court ordered visits between Blaze and his father. But DFS, in particular a
> hideous looking DFS lawyer, Kimberly Carrington, is doing everything they can to
> harass Nehmo and Blaze on these visits. Sometimes these visits don’t take place
> at all.
>
> Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroy dfs!!!!!!!!!!
Thank you for posting the info regarding Nehmo's case.
I am also in contact with him from time to time... he replies to emails but does not
issue any more unsolicited since he wishes to adhere to the ridiculously
unconstitutional gag order made to defend this corrupt system.
Free speech is their most dire enemy and they know it well.
Neal Feldman
Jennifer wrote:
Glad to hear that, though as I said allowing these foster parents any contact at all is to be a great gaping hole in
security. But that is me, and you are entirely free to disagree and act accordingly.. I just sincerely hope someday I
am not put in the position of 'I told you so'.
> Neal, do you know anything about
> the transitioning process in this State, or SCF's policy on how it is
> to be done?
In my case the kids came home from school to my home instead of the fosters on that friday.
It did take about a month to pry from the fosters the stuff provided for the girls as was supposed to have been done
within 24 hours.
Unless the court for some reason orders any specifics that is pretty much it... no required 'transitioning' required.
> Also, do you know anything about the policy on supervised
> visits, and when they are or are not neccessary?
BY LAW they are only supposed to be used when there is clear and credible evidence existing that unsupervized visits
are unwise.
IN PRACTICE Gestapo CPS tends to order visits supervised as a general rule and only when someone fights to have the
unjustified requirement of supervision lifted are visits unsupervised. This of course benefits Gestapo CPS because
they can point out that the visits are supervised, with all the implications that go along with it.
May you have a much happier 2002 than you had a 2001, Jen!
Jennifer
Thanks Neal, You too.
Well my visits have been supervised behind a two-way mirror, since the
beginning. We asked why, and we were told different things each time.
I argued w/ the case worker last week at the family meeting, about
unsupervised visits not being the beginning of transitioning, but got
no where. I am going to go back into Court, w/ or w/out my lawyer, and
let the judge know whats going on. This isnt right at all. I remember
one day at a visit, I was sharing these herbal mints w/ my 3 yr. old,
and the lady who drives the kids to the office, comes in and asks me
what I'm giving him, and wants to read the ingredients, like I was
trying to poison him or something. Then she tells me that I shouldnt
be giving anything to him, unless its been pre-approved. I almost fell
out of my chair. I mean heres this woman trying to tell me what and
what not to give my kid, and its something that is all natural, and
he's been eating them forever, So this was about the time in which I
was starting to learn to bite my tounge with these people, and think
before I speak, so Very calmly, I turned to her and said, " Dont
worry, He wont feel a thing, He'll be out before ya know it.", And
then proceeded to give him another one. I too ate a handful. She never
said another thing about what I brought for him on our visits. Well
just had to get that off my chest.
HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JEN
Dan Sullivan
> I remember
> one day at a visit, I was sharing these herbal mints w/ my 3 yr. old,
> and the lady who drives the kids to the office, comes in and asks me
> what I'm giving him, and wants to read the ingredients, like I was
> trying to poison him or something.
Jennifer, they don't know what your giving your kid.
Don't think that drugging a child during visitation hasn't been tried
before.
> Then she tells me that I shouldnt
> be giving anything to him, unless its been pre-approved. I almost fell
> out of my chair. I mean heres this woman trying to tell me what and
> what not to give my kid, and its something that is all natural, and
> he's been eating them forever, So this was about the time in which I
> was starting to learn to bite my tounge with these people, and think
> before I speak,
> so Very calmly, I turned to her and said, " Dont
> worry, He wont feel a thing, He'll be out before ya know it.", And
> then proceeded to give him another one.
I hope they don't take that the wrong way.
You should've thought a little longer.
"It's just a breath mint" would've been sufficient.
> I too ate a handful. She never said another thing about what I brought for
> him on our visits.
> Well just had to get that off my chest.
> HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> JEN
It's very advantageous to think before you speak.
Staying calm doesn't give CPS the chance to document that you went out
of control, but a flippant answer won't help your cause either.
The best response would have been to let the driver read the
ingredients and then offer her one.
Anyhow it's water under the bridge. Concentrate on the positive, the
bonding with your children. Leave any inappropriate remarks or any
remarks that they could POSSIBLY interpret as inappropriate out of all
conversations.
Jennifer
I received an e-mail of support from Nehmo a while back, and my
prayers go out out to him and his family. Is there anyone we can write
to reguarding this case? Anything we can do at all? I dont know why
Blaze was taken, but didnt they also take Susan's baby because they
found methadone in her system? Something that was put in her system by
the Doctors, shortly before birth? How can this be happening? I firmly
believe that we have got to do something drastic, and quick, to
prevent this kind of thing from going on anymore. I dont know what,
but someone has got to have some idea. Hands across America, or the
Million man march! Who started those demonstrations? The Parents (and
most importantly), the Children, who have been victimized by this
Agency, come from all walks of life, and from all parts of the
Country.So we could Bann together and take 'em down! I dont have any
idea on how to form a rally, or protest, but I am more than willing to
make our voices be herd. And I can scream pretty damn loud too !...
Good Luck Nehmo, Susan, and Blaze. My heart goes out to you.
Jen
Ric Werme
I remember
>one day at a visit, I was sharing these herbal mints w/ my 3 yr. old,
>and the lady who drives the kids to the office, comes in and asks me
>what I'm giving him, and wants to read the ingredients, like I was
>trying to poison him or something. Then she tells me that I shouldnt
>be giving anything to him, unless its been pre-approved. I almost fell
>out of my chair. I mean heres this woman trying to tell me what and
>what not to give my kid, and its something that is all natural, and
>he's been eating them forever, So this was about the time in which I
>was starting to learn to bite my tounge with these people, and think
>before I speak, so Very calmly, I turned to her and said, " Dont
>worry, He wont feel a thing, He'll be out before ya know it.", And
>then proceeded to give him another one. I too ate a handful. She never
>said another thing about what I brought for him on our visits.
Ooh, you were lucky. There are CPS people who would hang you from the
nearest yardarm for a comment like that. On the other hand, I imagine
if gave you a reason to smile for the rest of the day.
One of the key reasons for these supervised visits is to find other
excuses to keep from returning your son to you. Are you taping them
to ensure CPS can't lie about what happens in them?
-Ric Werme
--
"When we allow fundamental freedoms to be sacrificed in the name of real or
perceived emergency, we invariably regret it. -- Thurgood Marshall
Ric Werme | we...@nospam.mediaone.net
http://people.ne.mediaone.net/werme | ^^^^^^^ delete
Dan Sullivan
A while back I wrote the advice, "Stay out of court," and a number of
you jumped on me saying that it was CPS that brought you to court and
you had to go. Basically you thought my advice was BS. Well obviously
if you get taken to Family Court by CPS you have to go. But the
following from Jennifer is exactly what I was talking about.
BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote in message news:<70eef042.02010...@posting.google.com>...
-------------------<snip>-----------------
> I am going to go back into Court, w/ or w/out my lawyer, and
> let the judge know whats going on. This isnt right at all.
You don't go to court if you don't have to, EVER!!!
Do you get it now?
Let me say it again, "Stay out of court."
Happy New Year, Dan
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
> BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote in message news:<70eef042.02010...@posting.google.com>...
>
> > I remember
> > one day at a visit, I was sharing these herbal mints w/ my 3 yr. old,
> > and the lady who drives the kids to the office, comes in and asks me
> > what I'm giving him, and wants to read the ingredients, like I was
> > trying to poison him or something.
>
> Jennifer, they don't know what your giving your kid.
They have absolutely NO basis for believing it is anything harmful and EVERY reason for believing it is
not, Delusional Dan.
But leave it to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself, Delusional Dan, to jump to the defense
of the anti-parent paranoid biases of Gestapo CPS goosesteppers.
Typical indeed.
> Don't think that drugging a child during visitation hasn't been tried before.
What possible reason could she have for doing so? The court has already ordered the children returned to
her.
Again, Delusional Dan, your desperate defense of their unreasonable anti-parent paranoia does not go
unnoticed.
> > Then she tells me that I shouldnt
> > be giving anything to him, unless its been pre-approved. I almost fell
> > out of my chair. I mean heres this woman trying to tell me what and
> > what not to give my kid, and its something that is all natural, and
> > he's been eating them forever, So this was about the time in which I
> > was starting to learn to bite my tounge with these people, and think
> > before I speak,
>
> > so Very calmly, I turned to her and said, " Dont
> > worry, He wont feel a thing, He'll be out before ya know it.", And
> > then proceeded to give him another one.
>
> I hope they don't take that the wrong way.
Let them. Then they can have the kid's stomach pumped for no good reason and be found to be as extremely
erroneous and harmful as they have been clearly and conclusively proven to have been in the vast majority
of cases.
> You should've thought a little longer.
Why? It is their idiocy, she SHOULD rub their noses in it.
> "It's just a breath mint" would've been sufficient.
Their minding their own damned business would have been sufficient, Delusional Dan.
But it is clearly apparent that to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself this does not even
enter into your pea-sized (if THAT) 'mind'.
<chuckle>
> > I too ate a handful. She never said another thing about what I brought for
> > him on our visits.
> > Well just had to get that off my chest.
> > HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > JEN
>
> It's very advantageous to think before you speak.
It is also very advantageous to put these fascist and arrogant miscreants in their place.
> Staying calm doesn't give CPS the chance to document that you went out
> of control, but a flippant answer won't help your cause either.
Since when is flippancy in the face of gross unreason such as Gestapo CPS routinely presents a crime,
Delusional Dan?
You are just ticked off that your buddies you play apologist to were demonstrated clearly as being the
ludicrous and offensive cretins they clearly are.
They tried their BS power tripping and Jen put them in their place.
Go Jen!
> The best response would have been to let the driver read the
> ingredients and then offer her one.
Why should anyone cater to or in any way be pleasant to these kidnapping powertripping and rights-violating
cretins in any way, Delusional Dan?
I might even have demanded to read the ingredients of EVERYTHING they fed to my child while incarcerated,
view the entire mechanical history record for every vehicle used to transport my child, etc etc etc.
Demonstrate to them EXACTLY how unreasonable they are being and how much I am SO past tolerating ANY of it.
> Anyhow it's water under the bridge.
Yup... your buddies you play apologist for were show to be powertripping buffoons and were put in their
place for it... cry yourself a river, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> Concentrate on the positive, the
> bonding with your children. Leave any inappropriate remarks or any
> remarks that they could POSSIBLY interpret as inappropriate out of all
> conversations.
Delusional Dan, the admitted Gestapo CPS apologist to the bitter end.
<chuckle>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
> Hello People,
>
> A while back I wrote the advice, "Stay out of court," and a number of
> you jumped on me saying that it was CPS that brought you to court and
> you had to go. Basically you thought my advice was BS. Well obviously
> if you get taken to Family Court by CPS you have to go. But the
> following from Jennifer is exactly what I was talking about.
>
> BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote in message news:<70eef042.02010...@posting.google.com>...
>
> -------------------<snip>-----------------
>
> > I am going to go back into Court, w/ or w/out my lawyer, and
> > let the judge know whats going on. This isnt right at all.
>
> You don't go to court if you don't have to, EVER!!!
Why not, Delusional Dan?
When GESTAPO CPS is VIOLATING COURT ORDERS and VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS and those of your children your advice
is to just LET THEM?
To do nothing about it?
Sure seems to be what you are saying here.
As a typical Gestapo CPS apologist, as you have admitted to being after being clearly shown to be one, it
is not surprising to see one of your kind make such ludicrous suggestions.
Just let Gestapo CPS violate any civil, constitutional, human, due process and parental rights they want.
Just let Gestapo CPS ignore any court orders or laws they wish.
Just let Gestapo CPS goosesteppers go on whatever personal powertrips they want to.
Just let Gestapo CPS cause whatever harm they want.
And do absolutely NOTHING about it.
Yeah, Delusional Dan... great plan.
NOT!
> Do you get it now?
That you are a moronic, delusional and dishonest Gestapo CPS apologist?
Loud and clear, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> > BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote in message news:<70eef042.02010...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > > I remember
> > > one day at a visit, I was sharing these herbal mints w/ my 3 yr. old,
> > > and the lady who drives the kids to the office, comes in and asks me
> > > what I'm giving him, and wants to read the ingredients, like I was
> > > trying to poison him or something.
> >
> > Jennifer, they don't know what your giving your kid.
>
> They have absolutely NO basis for believing it is anything harmful and EVERY reason for believing it is
> not, Delusional Dan.
Really?
Didn't a child during supervised visitation get killed up in your
area? I'm sure CPS had no reason to believe THAT was going to happen,
but it did. Jennifer's child is still in CPS' custody and they are
responsible for his protection. Besides, her children were removed
because she did give drugs to her unborne twins. DID YOU FORGET???
> But leave it to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself, Delusional Dan, to jump to the defense
> of the anti-parent paranoid biases of Gestapo CPS goosesteppers.
I'm not jumping to CPS' defense, but they are looking for ANY reason
to not give children back. The candy may've been safe ( CPS didn't
know that) but a badly turned phrase could get Jennifer back in front
of the judge.
Besides didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
"Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
> Typical indeed.
Yeah, I think your an -sshole too, neal.
> > Don't think that drugging a child during visitation hasn't been tried before.
>
> What possible reason could she have for doing so?
You think people who are drug addicts can't be mentally ill at the
same time?
Reason has nothing to do with what most child abusers do to their
kids, if it did they wouldn't BE child abusers.
> The court has already ordered the children returned to her.
So what?
That can't change?
Didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
"Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
AND,
"do not forget... in the Gaston case the judge ordered all charges
dismissed because every witness against the Gastons recanted their
testimony, and the child Melissa was ordered returned ot her family
immediately, and all Gestapo CPS did was turn around and refile the
SAME DISMISSED CHARGES and Melissa
has completely vanished... never produced or seen in years now."
Are you taking stupid pills every day, neal?
> Again, Delusional Dan, your desperate defense of their unreasonable anti-parent paranoia does not go unnoticed.
No defense, I just want Jennifer to get her kids back.
I don't want her to blow it by listening to your stupidity.
> > > Then she tells me that I shouldnt
> > > be giving anything to him, unless its been pre-approved. I almost fell
> > > out of my chair. I mean heres this woman trying to tell me what and
> > > what not to give my kid, and its something that is all natural, and
> > > he's been eating them forever, So this was about the time in which I
> > > was starting to learn to bite my tounge with these people, and think
> > > before I speak,
>
> > > so Very calmly, I turned to her and said, " Dont
> > > worry, He wont feel a thing, He'll be out before ya know it.", And
> > > then proceeded to give him another one.
> >
> > I hope they don't take that the wrong way.
>
> Let them.
Really?
Didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
"Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
Time for you to take another stupid pill, neal?
> Then they can have the kid's stomach pumped for no good reason and be found to be as extremely
> erroneous and harmful as they have been clearly and conclusively proven to have been in the vast majority
> of cases.
And in the minority of cases the little kids die or OD.
FYI A while back a father during a supervised visitation AT CPS
disappeared with his two year old. After a frantic search the father
was found in a stall in the mens room raping his own child. But that
would be the minority.
Did I mention it was in Oregon?
> > You should've thought a little longer.
>
> Why? It is their idiocy, she SHOULD rub their noses in it.
That'll help.
Again, didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
"Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
Stupid pill again?
I think you're about to OD on them!
How about a mouthful of castor oil?
You ARE so full of sh-t, neal!
> > "It's just a breath mint" would've been sufficient.
>
> Their minding their own damned business would have been sufficient, Delusional Dan.
When CPS has custody of a particular child it IS their business.
You do know CPS doesn't want to lose custody of the kids, don't you,
neal?
> But it is clearly apparent that to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself this does not even
> enter into your pea-sized (if THAT) 'mind'.
Didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
"Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
> <chuckle>
>
> > > I too ate a handful. She never said another thing about what I brought for
> > > him on our visits.
> > > Well just had to get that off my chest.
> > > HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > JEN
> >
> > It's very advantageous to think before you speak.
>
> It is also very advantageous to put these fascist and arrogant miscreants in their place.
And get taken back to court, and have the judge reverse her decision,
and THEN you can say, "I told you so?"
Sorry neal, Jennifer's going to think a little MORE before she blows
the reunification.
Is that OK by you, zipperhead?
> > Staying calm doesn't give CPS the chance to document that you went out
> > of control, but a flippant answer won't help your cause either.
>
> Since when is flippancy in the face of gross unreason such as Gestapo CPS routinely presents a crime,
> Delusional Dan?
Not a crime, but possibly a reason for CPS to ask the judge for a
reversal of her earlier decision.
Didn't you write,
"do not forget... in the Gaston case the judge ordered all charges
dismissed because every witness against the Gastons recanted their
testimony, and the child Melissa was ordered returned ot her family
immediately, and all Gestapo CPS did was turn around and refile the
SAME DISMISSED CHARGES and Melissa
has completely vanished... never produced or seen in years now."
Why the change of tune?
What do you want her to believe?
What you write today, or what you wrote four days ago?
Do you want Jennifer to listen to what you wrote today and possibly
NOT get her kids back.
Or should she be EXTREMELY careful as I want her to be and get the
kids home with her, AND IN HER CUSTODY!!!
> You are just ticked off that your buddies you play apologist to were demonstrated clearly as being the
> ludicrous and offensive cretins they clearly are.
Jennifer admitted her faults and rectified the situation to the
satisfaction of the court. That's why she's getting her kids back.
There is NO OTHER REASON!
> They tried their BS power tripping and Jen put them in their place.
No she didn't.
Jennifer used methamphetamine during her pregnancy with her twins.
They were born with meth in their little bodies. She admits that she
should've lost her kids because of that.
And now because of CPS' intervention that she agrees should've
happened, she's clean, sober, focused, and scared to death about the
responsibility that's about to come to her.
And she's going to beat the odds.
> Go Jen!
F-ck you, you blithering -sshole!
Jennifer's success is in getting clean and demonstrating to the judge
that she should get her kids back. She didn't put CPS in their place,
they compelled Jennifer to get into hers, the place of a caring and
responsible drug-free mother.
It's no wonder that you've NEVER met anyone in Oregon who reversed a
bad CPS decision. Anyone who listens to your BS will NEVER prevail.
And then of course you can say, "I told you so."
Why do I get the feeling that's what you REALLY want?
> > The best response would have been to let the driver read the
> > ingredients and then offer her one.
>
> Why should anyone cater to or in any way be pleasant to these kidnapping powertripping and rights-violating cretins in any way, Delusional Dan?
Because,
"Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
"do not forget... in the Gaston case the judge ordered all charges
dismissed because every witness against the Gastons recanted their
testimony, and the child Melissa was ordered returned ot her family
immediately, and all Gestapo CPS did was turn around and refile the
SAME DISMISSED CHARGES and Melissa
has completely vanished... never produced or seen in years now."
That WAS you, wasn't it neal? Four days ago?
Why the change of tune?
> I might even have demanded to read the ingredients of EVERYTHING they fed to my child while incarcerated,
> view the entire mechanical history record for every vehicle used to transport my child, etc etc etc.
SURE! The judge'll LOVE to hear that!
> Demonstrate to them EXACTLY how unreasonable they are being and how much I am SO past tolerating ANY of it.
Giving CPS a MAJOR reason to take Jennifer BACK to court to have the
judges decision reversed!
Bye bye kids.
Hey! I thought you didn't know how to reverse a decision, neal.
I guess you do!!!!!
> > Anyhow it's water under the bridge.
>
> Yup... your buddies you play apologist for were show to be powertripping buffoons and were put in their
> place for it... cry yourself a river, Delusional Dan.
Wrong, Mr.King of the Child Abusers.
CPS was not powertripping and were only put in their place because
Jennifer cleaned up and sold the idea of reunification to the judge in
her letter.
CPS in this case probably saved the kids lives, and Jennifer's.
Sometimes ( rarely) CPS does get it right.
> <chuckle>
>
> > Concentrate on the positive, the
> > bonding with your children. Leave any inappropriate remarks or any
> > remarks that they could POSSIBLY interpret as inappropriate out of all
> > conversations.
>
> Delusional Dan, the admitted Gestapo CPS apologist to the bitter end.
>
> <chuckle>
neal feldman the man who wants to be right about CPS so bad he's
willing to sacrifice everybody elses children.
What a guy!!!
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> > Hello People,
> >
> > A while back I wrote the advice, "Stay out of court," and a number of
> > you jumped on me saying that it was CPS that brought you to court and
> > you had to go. Basically you thought my advice was BS. Well obviously
> > if you get taken to Family Court by CPS you have to go. But the
> > following from Jennifer is exactly what I was talking about.
> >
> > BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote in message news:<70eef042.02010...@posting.google.com>...
> >
> > -------------------<snip>-----------------
> >
> > > I am going to go back into Court, w/ or w/out my lawyer, and
> > > let the judge know whats going on. This isnt right at all.
> >
> > You don't go to court if you don't have to, EVER!!!
>
> Why not, Delusional Dan?
Because taking CPS to court for no good reason is going to backfire in
your face.
> When GESTAPO CPS is VIOLATING COURT ORDERS and VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS and those of your children your advice
> is to just LET THEM?
That's not what's happening in Jennifer's case.
She's about to get her kids back, and taking CPS to court for no good
reason will demonstrate to the judge that Jennifer's mind is not on
reunification as it should be, but on unnecessary confrontations with
the people who STILL HAVE CUSTODY of her kids.
But you don't care about that, you just want to be able to say, "I
told you so," when she doesn't get her kids back.
> To do nothing about it?
About what?
About some doofus at CPS that can't explain something right?
Yeah, that never happened before.
> Sure seems to be what you are saying here.
That's only because your so stupid, neal.
> As a typical Gestapo CPS apologist, as you have admitted to being after being clearly shown to be one, it
> is not surprising to see one of your kind make such ludicrous suggestions.
Then why have YOU not gone back to sue CPS as you claim you're going
to do?
Then why did you leave your kids in the custody of CPS for two extra
years?
You could've gone back to court to regain custody.
But you didn't.
Not in either case.
> Just let Gestapo CPS violate any civil, constitutional, human, due process and parental rights they want.
Droning crapola.
> Just let Gestapo CPS ignore any court orders or laws they wish.
That's not happening in this case.
The kids are coming home, unless Jennifer starts listening to you.
> Just let Gestapo CPS goosesteppers go on whatever personal powertrips they want to.
More droning crapola.
Two babies born on meth.
Did you forget?
> Just let Gestapo CPS cause whatever harm they want.
CPS got the twins off drugs, and Jennifer.
Sounds good to me.
> And do absolutely NOTHING about it.
NOTHING???
Jennifer's got her kids coming back home.
At this point what more can she ask for?
CPS is grinding their teeth because Jennifer prevailed.
> Yeah, Delusional Dan... great plan.
>
> NOT!
What a shame, you're upset that Jennifer succeeded.
She did what she was SUPPOSED TO DO and she won!
Hey, if you can get her to drop her guard now she still might be able
to join all those other people who listened to you and never got their
kids back!
And then it's the BIG, "I told you so!"
Wouldn't you LOVE that!
> > Do you get it now?
>
> That you are a moronic, delusional and dishonest Gestapo CPS apologist?
>
> Loud and clear, Delusional Dan.
You're wrong again, neal.
And Jennifer gets her kids back!!!
What a happy ending.
> <chuckle>
>
> <The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
neal feldman the man who wants to be right about CPS so bad he's
Ric Werme
>And Jennifer gets her kids back!!!
>What a happy ending.
"It's not over until its over."
"Don't count your chickens until they hatch."
Dan Sullivan
> dsul...@optonline.net (Dan Sullivan) writes:
>
> >And Jennifer gets her kids back!!!
>
> >What a happy ending.
>
> "It's not over until its over."
> "Don't count your chickens until they hatch."
So you're concerned she might start listening to neal too.
Unless Jennifer starts to do what neal is advising her to do ( be
confrontational with CPS) the chances are her kids will come home.
This IS the time for Jennifer to realize she's walking on eggshells.
This is not the time for Jennifer to have the attitude that she can't
lose.
Her mindset for ALL contacts with CPS should be reunification, bonding
and counseling.
I think she knows that now.
It's too bad neal can't keep his mouth shut and let Jennifer have her
kids come home.
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
> Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C3325D3...@attbi.com>...
> > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote in message news:<70eef042.02010...@posting.google.com>...
> > >
> > > > I remember
> > > > one day at a visit, I was sharing these herbal mints w/ my 3 yr. old,
> > > > and the lady who drives the kids to the office, comes in and asks me
> > > > what I'm giving him, and wants to read the ingredients, like I was
> > > > trying to poison him or something.
> > >
> > > Jennifer, they don't know what your giving your kid.
> >
> > They have absolutely NO basis for believing it is anything harmful and EVERY reason for believing it is
> > not, Delusional Dan.
>
> Really?
Yes, Delusional Dan, really.
> Didn't a child during supervised visitation get killed up in your
> area? I'm sure CPS had no reason to believe THAT was going to happen,
> but it did.
Actually they DID know it would happen, and the clown actually managed to get fired for sitting in a car reading his book while the woman he was
supposed to closely supervise killed her kid.
Heads are still rolling over that one.
That was a case of a woman who was mentally disturbed and her status in that was KNOWN. She was a KNOWN risk.
In Jen's case, as I said, they had no reason to believe she would harm her child and every reason to believe otherwise.
You have yet to show otherwise in any credible or legitimate manner, Delusional Dan.
> Jennifer's child is still in CPS' custody and they are
> responsible for his protection.
Sorry, Delusional Dan, but the court has ordered the children returned, so this is a transition period.
Your Gestapo CPS apologist attitude continues on full bore, Delusional Dan, that much is abundantly apparent.
> Besides, her children were removed
> because she did give drugs to her unborne twins. DID YOU FORGET???
She did, Delusional Dan? She GAVE DRUGS to her unborn twins? With her hands? Did she inject them with a needle through the uterine wall,
Delusional Dan?
You really ARE being quite the desperate little moron today.
<chuckle>
Her UAs have been completely clean for months and they are no longer tied to her bloodstream, Delusional Dan. She has NO history of EVER since birth
giving her children controlled substances without a doctor's supervision, now does she?
Your desperate Gestapo CPS apologist attitude is again clearly and duly noted, Delusional Dan.
> > But leave it to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself, Delusional Dan, to jump to the defense
> > of the anti-parent paranoid biases of Gestapo CPS goosesteppers.
>
> I'm not jumping to CPS' defense,
HORSE MANURE, Delusional Dan! That is EXACTLY what you are doing... you did it when I typed the above text and you are doing it now even more.
It seems quite obvious to me and likely to anyone other than someone who is as devout a Gestapo CPS apologist as you are, Delusional Dan.
> but they are looking for ANY reason
> to not give children back. The candy may've been safe ( CPS didn't
> know that) but a badly turned phrase could get Jennifer back in front
> of the judge.
Let them. They would have to show that there was something in the candy. Hard to do when there wasn't. And a snide comment to kidnappers is hardly
out of line.
> Besides didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
>
> "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
And I am not suggesting she do so... I am also not suggesting she be their doormat and kowtowing lackey as you seem to be suggesting, Delusional Dan.
> > Typical indeed.
>
> Yeah, I think your an -sshole too, neal.
Difference is, Delusional Dan, my opinion of you is legitimately founded, while yours of me clearly is not.
<chuckle>
> > > Don't think that drugging a child during visitation hasn't been tried before.
> >
> > What possible reason could she have for doing so?
>
> You think people who are drug addicts can't be mentally ill at the
> same time?
She is not a drug addict, Delususional Dan, and that was already proven.
The anti-parent biased paranoia you are exhibiting is precisely that of Gestapo CPS... how typical an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself
would mirror such aspects.
<chuckle>
> Reason has nothing to do with what most child abusers do to their
> kids, if it did they wouldn't BE child abusers.
Sorry, Delusional Dan, but again we are not talking hypothetical random cases, we are talking specifically of Jen, who is someone who has had clean
UAs for what? Over a year? And who the court has already ordered a timely transition to returning full custody of her children to her.
The lame and desperately grasped at BS you present here so far is non sequitur here, Delusional Dan. The person in question should be fully aware of
the case, of her UA status, of her never having had documented homicidal mental issues regarding her children and that the kids will be going back to
her within a couple months.
As I said, Delusional Dan, despite your desperate attempts at being a Gestapo CPS apologist and defending their indefensible actions in this case,
they had no reason to suspect she would harm her kids and every reason to believe otherwise.
Heck, the visits should not even BE supervised!
And yet you equate Jen with that psychotic homicidal child killer?
If I were Jen I would he highly insulted by your statements and accusations, Delusional Dan.
> > The court has already ordered the children returned to her.
>
> So what?
Desperately delusional to the end, eh Delusional Dan? Apparently so?
So what indeed? So the courts clearly do not consider her to be a risk to the children, if they are ordering the children returned to her. As such
why woud a rational and intelligent sane person think she would harm her kids?
Then again rational, intelligent and sane rarely describes the typical Gestapo CPS goosestepper, does it?
Or Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself apparently.
<chuckle>
> That can't change?
>
> Didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
>
> "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
Again you desperately attempt to misquote and misapply in your standard dishonest and delusional misrepresentative tactic, Delusional Dan.
Never letting your guard down MOST ASSUREDLY DOES NOT mean be their doormat, allow them to swagger in their personal power trips or to violate your
rights or those of your family and children in any way, nor does it require you to kow tow to them... all of which you seem to presume it does.
As usual, Delusional Dan, your assessments are grossly erroneous.
<chuckle>
> AND,
>
> "do not forget... in the Gaston case the judge ordered all charges
> dismissed because every witness against the Gastons recanted their
> testimony, and the child Melissa was ordered returned ot her family
> immediately, and all Gestapo CPS did was turn around and refile the
> SAME DISMISSED CHARGES and Melissa
> has completely vanished... never produced or seen in years now."
>
> Are you taking stupid pills every day, neal?
No, Delusional Dan, but clearly you are.
They could do that whether Jen let them play their games or not.
And in fact if she allowed herself to be continually victimized in this manner why would they want to give up their playtoy?
But again your clear lack of comprehension and unbridled Gestapo CPS apologist attitude are duly noted, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > Again, Delusional Dan, your desperate defense of their unreasonable anti-parent paranoia does not go unnoticed.
>
> No defense,
And anyone who believes that lie can buy the lovely oceanfront property in Kansas I have for sale, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> I just want Jennifer to get her kids back.
I seriously doubt that... you clearly want her to just kowtow to your buddies in Gestapo CPS who you continue to play apologist for and defend beyond
all realms of reason.
You want her to just sit back and take it when they violate her rights, those of her family and those of her children.
You want her to just be a nice cooperative little drone of the fascist Nanny State.
That comes through loud and clear in your BS, Delusional Dan.
> I don't want her to blow it by listening to your stupidity.
Nothing stupid in what I have said, Delusional Dan, though a great deal of stupidity in what you have to say as has been clearly shown.
This Gestapo CPS goosestepper was just trying to fly on a personal power trip and Jen rightly put her in her place.
But we can always count on you to spew the Gestapo CPS party line, jump to the unconditional and unquestioned defense of Gestapo CPS in all its forms
and atrocities and badmouth any and all parents, Delusional Dan.
That is, after all, what admitted Gestapo CPS apologists such as yourself do.
<chuckle>
> > > > Then she tells me that I shouldnt
> > > > be giving anything to him, unless its been pre-approved. I almost fell
> > > > out of my chair. I mean heres this woman trying to tell me what and
> > > > what not to give my kid, and its something that is all natural, and
> > > > he's been eating them forever, So this was about the time in which I
> > > > was starting to learn to bite my tounge with these people, and think
> > > > before I speak,
> >
> > > > so Very calmly, I turned to her and said, " Dont
> > > > worry, He wont feel a thing, He'll be out before ya know it.", And
> > > > then proceeded to give him another one.
> > >
> > > I hope they don't take that the wrong way.
> >
> > Let them.
>
> Really?
>
> Didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
>
> "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
Yup.. I did.. and as stated above, Delusional Dan, nothing in that advice says for anyone to be Gestapo CPS' doormat, to allow them to fly on their
personal power trips against you or to violate the rights of you, your family or your children in any way.
Being on guard means also being ready to fight, not just being ready to cower or run away as you seem to think it does, Delusional Dan.
> Time for you to take another stupid pill, neal?
I do not do so, and never have, Delusional Dan, though I am sure you would love me to start to begin to get me down to your intellectual level.
You are the one who apparently has the lifetime supply of them, popping them like theatre popcorn, Delusional Dan.
Oh, BTW Delusional Dan, have you stopped raping six year old boys yet?
<chuckle>
> > Then they can have the kid's stomach pumped for no good reason and be found to be as extremely
> > erroneous and harmful as they have been clearly and conclusively proven to have been in the vast majority
> > of cases.
>
> And in the minority of cases the little kids die or OD.
We are not speaking of statistics, Delusional Dan... but nice desperate attempt at evasion, obfuscation, dodge and dance and subject changing.
We are speaking specifically of Jen's case.
> FYI A while back a father during a supervised visitation AT CPS
> disappeared with his two year old. After a frantic search the father
> was found in a stall in the mens room raping his own child. But that
> would be the minority.
>
> Did I mention it was in Oregon?
Again, Delusional Dan, this is not that case, this is Jen's case.
Are you now accusing Jen publicly of wishing to rape her own child?
Sure seems that way from here, Delusional Dan. I think at the VERY least you owe Jen a significant apology.
But your desperate attempt again to change the subject (something you seem to do all the time while dishonestly denying it and falsely accusing
others of doing so (projection on your part)) is duly noted, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > > You should've thought a little longer.
> >
> > Why? It is their idiocy, she SHOULD rub their noses in it.
>
> That'll help.
Yes it will, Delusional Dan, to let them know she will not tolerate their BS.
> Again, didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
>
> "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
See above for detailed explanation of your clear lack of comprehension and inability to credibly assess statements, Delusional Dan.
> Stupid pill again?
You clearly took a handful just before posting, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> I think you're about to OD on them!
No, Delusional Dan, that would be you.
> How about a mouthful of castor oil?
>
> You ARE so full of sh-t, neal!
Nowhere near as much as you clearly are, Delusional Dan.
> > > "It's just a breath mint" would've been sufficient.
> >
> > Their minding their own damned business would have been sufficient, Delusional Dan.
>
> When CPS has custody of a particular child it IS their business.
Not in this case, Delusional Dan.
But again your desperate and devout Gestapo CPS apologist attitude is duly noted.
<chuckle>
> You do know CPS doesn't want to lose custody of the kids, don't you,
> neal?
And what does that have to do with Jen refusing to be a doormat and allowing this arrogant Gestapo CPS goosestepper to fly her personal power trip on
her and violate her rights and those of her family and children, Delusional Dan?
> > But it is clearly apparent that to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself this does not even
> > enter into your pea-sized (if THAT) 'mind'.
>
> Didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
>
> "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
What is that? Six times you have misquoted me and demonstrated your clear and obvious ignorance of what I said, Delusional Dan?
Where in my statement have I EVER advocated cowering in abject terror at every glance of Gestapo CPS, Delusional Dan? Hmmmmm?
For that is what you are suggesting here, and clearly so.
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > > I too ate a handful. She never said another thing about what I brought for
> > > > him on our visits.
> > > > Well just had to get that off my chest.
> > > > HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > JEN
> > >
> > > It's very advantageous to think before you speak.
> >
> > It is also very advantageous to put these fascist and arrogant miscreants in their place.
>
> And get taken back to court, and have the judge reverse her decision,
> and THEN you can say, "I told you so?"
And why would a judge do so, Delusional Dan, just because she stood up for herself and her child and her family, hmmmmm?
Isn't that what parents are SUPPOSED to do?
If Gestapo CPS tried to do so it would be simplicity itself to show their arrogance and unreason for what it is.
Remember, Gestapo CPS was shut down HARD by this judge on pretty much every point. In this case the judge is NOT their friend. They clearly
overstepped and it is THEY, not she, who should be walking on thin ice.
But again your advocacy that people just allow Gestapo CPS to do whatever they want is duly noted for the standard Gestapo CPS apologist screed you
always seem to exude, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> Sorry neal, Jennifer's going to think a little MORE before she blows
> the reunification.
>
> Is that OK by you, zipperhead?
What SHE decides to do is fine by me, Delusional Dan.
And she stopped listening to you a great deal apparently when your completely and total ignorance of the Oregon system and telling her to just go
along with whatever Gestapo CPS wanted (which turned out to be TPR and adopting out her kids) was exposed for the ludicrously Gestapo CPS apologist
nonsense that it was.
She decided to FIGHT Gestapo CPS, stand up for herself, her family and her children, and from that day (of victimhood) to this day of near total
victory she has benefitted the FURTHER away from your Gestapo CPS apologist advice she has gone.
> > > Staying calm doesn't give CPS the chance to document that you went out
> > > of control, but a flippant answer won't help your cause either.
> >
> > Since when is flippancy in the face of gross unreason such as Gestapo CPS routinely presents a crime,
> > Delusional Dan?
>
> Not a crime, but possibly a reason for CPS to ask the judge for a
> reversal of her earlier decision.
Oh, Delusional Dan? On what legitimate grounds would that be? Standing up to the victimizers of her children, her family and herself? WOW! What
an unparentlike aspect! Have to stamp that out NOW, huh Delusional Dan?
<chuckle>
> Didn't you write,
>
> "do not forget... in the Gaston case the judge ordered all charges
> dismissed because every witness against the Gastons recanted their
> testimony, and the child Melissa was ordered returned ot her family
> immediately, and all Gestapo CPS did was turn around and refile the
> SAME DISMISSED CHARGES and Melissa
> has completely vanished... never produced or seen in years now."
>
> Why the change of tune?
No change of tune at all, Delusional Dan. Just misquoting out of context, misapplication, misrepresentation and a clear and near absolute lack of
comprehnension on your part.
But do continue to practice your dishonest tactics of misquoting and misrepresentation, Delusional Dan.
Another tactic of your buddies in Gestapo CPS you so clearly desperately play apologist for.
Why is it any surprise that your mirror their biases, paranoia, dishonesty and slimeball tactics?
It is no surprise to me, for I have pointed it out about you for quite some time now, and been shown in all cases to consistently be completely
accurate in my assessments... unlike you who seem to be inaccurate in your assessments just about all the time... especially regarding me, the clear
object of your irrational obsession.
Funny how you have allowed your unreasoning obsession with me to completely and utterly destroy any credibility and legitimacy you might once or
might ever have had here, Delusional Dan.
Very sad indeed.
<chuckle>
> What do you want her to believe?
>
> What you write today, or what you wrote four days ago?
Both, Delusional Dan, for there is nothing inconsistent in them... just in your fraudulently fabricated straw men. You fabricated them, Delusional
Dan, so I will allow you to defend them.
> Do you want Jennifer to listen to what you wrote today and possibly
> NOT get her kids back.
Sorry, Delusional Dan, but your track record in the Oregon system is zero.
And why would anyone who wants their kids back ever listen to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself, Delusional Dan?
As you stated above in a question, yes Gestapo CPS wants to keep kids... and they will do so as long as parents play their game by their rules as you
insist they do.
What would you know about it though, Delusional Dan? You never had custody of your kids.. you merely at one time may have lived with the woman who
did. And you still do not have custody now for all your bluster and bravado.
I, on the other hand, fought Gestapo CPS and won, have custody of my kids, and can rub your nose in that fact every single day.
I am a practicing parent, Delusional Dan... you are at best a bystander who was shown to NOT be in the best interests of his children.
And I know these facts stick in your craw, Delusional Dan. GOOD.
> Or should she be EXTREMELY careful as I want her to be and get the
> kids home with her, AND IN HER CUSTODY!!!
You are not required to walk on eggshells with these clowns. Do you think I do?
Your kind whine and shriek at how if Gestapo CPS ever saw my posts or my website they would scoop up my kids immediately. Fact is I am sure they are
fully aware of my posts and my website and in fact have done no such thing, for they know they caught me the first time unprepared and not knowing
all the rules, especially the one about when I had to file the letters of intent to sue... they see their immunities crumbling around them and they
know full well that if they EVER mess with my family again they will be on the business end of a lawsuit with zeroes going n as far as the eye can
see...
Their hopes are futile anyway, for in about 4 yrs and a month or so the timer starts for my girls, and they are more than interested in having
themselves set for life on the proceeds of the lawsuit against their kidnappers.
> > You are just ticked off that your buddies you play apologist to were demonstrated clearly as being the
> > ludicrous and offensive cretins they clearly are.
>
> Jennifer admitted her faults and rectified the situation to the
> satisfaction of the court. That's why she's getting her kids back.
Which has nothing to do with her being their doormat or allowing them to fly their personal power trips against her or to allow them to violate her
rights, or those of her family or children, Delusional Dan.
> There is NO OTHER REASON!
If you will notice, Delusional Dan, in the hearing Gestapo CPS did not want to give the kids back and even their pet judge saw the emptiness of their
case and claims and told them to stuff it.
> > They tried their BS power tripping and Jen put them in their place.
>
> No she didn't.
Yes, in fact, she did.
And that is what seems to get your goat, Delusional Dan, more than almost anything else.
You have a CONSISTENT record of deriding anyone who stands up to these fascists, Delusional Dan.
> Jennifer used methamphetamine during her pregnancy with her twins.
> They were born with meth in their little bodies. She admits that she
> should've lost her kids because of that.
So what? What does that have to do with what is being discussed here, Delusional Dan?
She has had completely clean UAs doe what? over a year? Nearly two years?
Old news, Delusional Dan, and entirely irrelevant.
But leave it to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself to continue to try and throw it up.
Seems a common tactic with you, doesn't it, Delusional Dan?
<chuckle>
> And now because of CPS' intervention that she agrees should've
> happened, she's clean, sober, focused, and scared to death about the
> responsibility that's about to come to her.
Again, entirely irrelevant.
And it is not because of Gestapo CPS' intervention, because THEY wanted her to trade her twins for her first child.
Your desperate attempt to make Gestapo CPS out to be Jen's FRIEND and a FRIEND to her children is duly noted for the Gestapo CPS apologist screed it
is, Delusional Dan.
Gestapo CPS is many things... Jen's friend or friend to her children is NOT one of them.
> And she's going to beat the odds.
No thanks to you or your idiotic Gestapo CPS apologist advice, Delusional Dan.
> > Go Jen!
>
> F-ck you, you blithering -sshole!
Oh really now? I cheer on Jen and you respond like this, eh Delusional Dan?
You really do seem to be losing it, don't you?
Every time you go up against me you get pasted up and down the newsgroups even more.
But your obsession clearly will not let you stop yourself.
You continue to be proven to be inept, pathetic, feeble, impotent, ignorant, dishonest, delusional, misinformed, misrepresentative, and wholly
idiotic and it just continues to take its toll on you, eh Delusional Dan? Poor baby...
I would feel sorry for you if you were not such a wholly offensive net.kook and utterly absolutely waste of bandwidth.
<chuckle>
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, deluison and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
> Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C33271F...@attbi.com>...
> > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > Hello People,
> > >
> > > A while back I wrote the advice, "Stay out of court," and a number of
> > > you jumped on me saying that it was CPS that brought you to court and
> > > you had to go. Basically you thought my advice was BS. Well obviously
> > > if you get taken to Family Court by CPS you have to go. But the
> > > following from Jennifer is exactly what I was talking about.
> > >
> > > BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote in message news:<70eef042.02010...@posting.google.com>...
> > >
> > > -------------------<snip>-----------------
> > >
> > > > I am going to go back into Court, w/ or w/out my lawyer, and
> > > > let the judge know whats going on. This isnt right at all.
> > >
> > > You don't go to court if you don't have to, EVER!!!
> >
> > Why not, Delusional Dan?
>
> Because taking CPS to court for no good reason is going to backfire in
> your face.
Your presumption that it is for no good reason is duly noted as the unsubstantiated and inaccurate assessment it
clearly is, Delusional Dan.
And your statement I responded to had no qualifiers... it was an absolute... never for any reason justified or
not, legitimate or not, necessary or not, ever ever EVER got to court if you do not have to. THAT is what I
responded to, Delusional Dan.
Why are you all of a sudden changing your statement in mid discussion of it?
Because you see the lunacy of your original statement but lack the credibility, honesty and honor to admit it?
Sure seems that way, Delusional Dan.
<chucke>
> > When GESTAPO CPS is VIOLATING COURT ORDERS and VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS and those of your children your advice
> > is to just LET THEM?
>
> That's not what's happening in Jennifer's case.
Actually it is.
> She's about to get her kids back, and taking CPS to court for no good
> reason will demonstrate to the judge that Jennifer's mind is not on
> reunification as it should be, but on unnecessary confrontations with
> the people who STILL HAVE CUSTODY of her kids.
Sorry, Delusional Dan, but you are again completely looney tunes.
This Gestapo CPS goosestepper is flying personal power trips at Jen's expense and the expense of her children and
family. Also there is ZERO reason that the visits, especially since the return order was issues, need to be
supervised.
Gestapo CPS is violating the spirit, if not the absolute letter, of the judge's order.
> But you don't care about that, you just want to be able to say, "I
> told you so," when she doesn't get her kids back.
Excuse me? Where do you get that from, Delusional Dan?
I want her to get her kids back, as I got mine back.
YOU never got yours back, did you Delusional Dan? Hmmmmm?
It is clearly YOU who desperately wish to see her not get her kids back so YOU can say 'told you so'. You make
that quite abundantly clear in your desperate defense of Gestapo CPS and the rest of your Gestapo CPS apologist
screeds.
> > Sure seems to be what you are saying here.
>
> That's only because your so stupid, neal.
No, Delusional Dan. At every turn I have been proven entirely accurate and correct in what I have said about you
and your BS here. You denied up and down for months that you were the Gestapo CPS apologist I had clearly and
conclusively proven you to be. Finally you admitted I was right.
You have for months delusionally and dishonestly denied ever lying here or having such lies proven as such... I
have a multitude of times proven these lies of yours to be just as I have said.
You are so completely losing it in your frustrated obsession regarding me, Delusional Dan, that you have taken to
fabricating false emails and posting them to the newsgroup and attributing them to me. You have also taken to
fits of profanity laced epithets of anger and frustration. Such as not gone unnoticed.
I have seen your kind come and go many times, Delusional Dan. I warned you of this before when you began your
illadvised and pathetic flame war against me. I told you that you would lose, and you clearly have. You are now
nothing but a wholly discredited and disproven delusional, dishonest, ignorant and idiotic Gestapo CPS apologist
net.kook and likely will never be taken as anything else by anyone other than other Gestapo CPS apologist
net.kooks like MoRon Mitty, Selfrighteous Sue, Little Osama, Lamoron, Jerry the Jerk or any of the other pathetic
and feeble souls who have their credibility and legitimacy as road kill on the information superhighway.
As I said at the beginning, it was entirely up to you... I warned you, you ignored my good advice, and you now
have the consequences to deal with.
> > As a typical Gestapo CPS apologist, as you have admitted to being after being clearly shown to be one, it
> > is not surprising to see one of your kind make such ludicrous suggestions.
>
> Then why have YOU not gone back to sue CPS as you claim you're going
> to do?
Because I did not know about the time limit to file intent to sue letters before the deadline had passed, and
Gestapo CPS has demonstrated the sound reasoning ability to not give me another chance.
My kids get their chance when they turn 18. My advice to them will be to do so.
> Then why did you leave your kids in the custody of CPS for two extra
> years?
I did not leave my kids in the custody of Gestapo CPS for two extra years, Delusional Dan.
They were in the custody of Gestapo CPS all of 10 days, and excising bureaucratic delays I could not prevent it
was less than a day.
You are dishonestly misrepresenting the fact that Gestapo CPS screwed up and failed to file with the court the
return of legal custody to me when physical custody was returned as was agreed to and stated would be done. They
got reamed in court for it too. Pity the kidnapper Chandra Snyder was not there for it. However from the day my
kids were returned I was not under the thumb of Gestapo CPS for one second... I took the kids out of their
jurisdiction and out of the state without their permission or say so. I took them out of school and put them
into school again without any permission or say so from Gestapo CPS. I had them treated for medical issues again
without any permission or say so from Gestapo CPS.
But so like you to take a bureaucratic screwup on Gestapo CPS' part and desperately and dishonestly attempt to
falsely apply it as something against me, Delusional Dan.
Your games in that regard have already been well exposed for what they are, Delusional Dan.
Yet you continue to try and drag out your disproven canards every so often again.
So pathetic and feeble of you, Delusional Dan.
In fact, so YOU.
<chuckle>
> You could've gone back to court to regain custody.
>
> But you didn't.
I already had custody, Delusional Dan, and there was no reason for me to know that legal custody had not been
returned as it was supposed to have been.
I have never claimed omniscience, the ability to know that which I have no reason to know, Delusional Dan.
Why do you constantly try and insist I have this ability, Delusional Dan? Hmmmmm?
All you do is continue to demonstrate how illegitimate and noncredible you are in your practices of dishonesty,
fabrication, misrepresentation and a host of other flawed critical thinking and logical fallacy practices,
Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > Just let Gestapo CPS violate any civil, constitutional, human, due process and parental rights they want.
>
> Droning crapola.
Dictionary of Delusional Dan: "Droning crapola: Text which correctly and accurately identifies Deluisional Dan's
BS and which Delusional Dan cannot seem to bring himself to accept the reality of; an aspect of Delusional Dan's
deep delusional denial and dishonesty"
> > Just let Gestapo CPS ignore any court orders or laws they wish.
>
> That's not happening in this case.
Actually it is.
> The kids are coming home, unless Jennifer starts listening to you.
Actually it has been since she STOPPED listening to YOU and STARTED listening to ME that things turned around in
her case for the better for her and her family and her children.
YOU were the one telling her to just do whatever Gestapo CPS said and go along with whatever plans they had.
Those plans were clearly to TPR her kids and adopt them out, Delusional Dan.
THAT is where YOUR advice would have led her.
*I* told her to fight Gestapo CPS for her kids and family and that is what she did. And In the review hearing
Gestaopo CPS still wanted to keep her kids, she fought against them on that, and she won.
And you clearly cannot deal with it, so you continue to try and berate her for standing up for the rights of
herself, her family and her kids... you continue to spew one Gestapo CPS apologist screed after another
defending Gestapo CPS, and you continue to insult Jen by equating her with parents who would rape or kill their
own children.
You CLAIM you are her friend, Delusional Dan. Sorry but around these parts at least that is NOT how friends
treat friends.
Your lies have already been proven as such and proven to be legion and this is just another of them to toss on
the slag heap of Delusional Dan's dishonesties.
> > Just let Gestapo CPS goosesteppers go on whatever personal powertrips they want to.
>
> More droning crapola.
Dictionary of Delusional Dan: "Droning crapola: Text which correctly and accurately identifies Deluisional Dan's
BS and which Delusional Dan cannot seem to bring himself to accept the reality of; an aspect of Delusional Dan's
deep delusional denial and dishonesty"
> Two babies born on meth.
>
> Did you forget?
That was then, this is now, Delusional Dan.
Over a year of perfectly clean UAs, Delusional Dan.
Did you forget?
<chuckle>
> > Just let Gestapo CPS cause whatever harm they want.
>
> CPS got the twins off drugs, and Jennifer.
>
> Sounds good to me.
Yeah, right, Delusional Dan... Gestapo CPS is Jen's best buddy in the world and the best friend her kids will
ever have.
I wonder if Jen agrees with this assessment of yours, Delusional Dan.
They tried to kidnap her children, TPR them and adopt them out.
Sorry, but that does not sound like the actions of a 'best buddy' to me.
How about anyone else? Want to chime in as to whether Gestapo CPS is the best buddy that Jen and her kids could
ever have wished for as Delusional Dan, the admitted Gestapo CPS apologist, seems to be claiming here? Hmmmm?
<chuckle>
> > And do absolutely NOTHING about it.
>
> NOTHING???
> Jennifer's got her kids coming back home.
>
> At this point what more can she ask for?
Lessee... unsupervised visits until the actual return, no more arrogant personal power trips by Gestapo CPS
goosesteppers against her, her family or her kids... the list could get longer still.
> CPS is grinding their teeth because Jennifer prevailed.
Apparently not so much... the visits are still supervised with no legitimate reason for them to be, and the
goosesteppers are still flying their personal power trips against her, her family and her kids.
> > Yeah, Delusional Dan... great plan.
> >
> > NOT!
>
> What a shame, you're upset that Jennifer succeeded.
Excuse me? What part of the Twilight Zone are you in, Delusional Dan.
It is clearly YOU who are upset that Jen triumphed over your buddies in Gestapo CPS, Delusional Dan. YOU are the
admitted Gestapo CPS apologist.
*I* am congratulating Jen and THAT is what seems to be getting your goat.
Your attempt at revisionist history is duly noted for what it is, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
> Ric Werme <we...@mediaone.net> wrote in message news:<wYOY7.12178$zX1.10...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>...
> > dsul...@optonline.net (Dan Sullivan) writes:
> >
> > >And Jennifer gets her kids back!!!
> >
> > >What a happy ending.
> >
> > "It's not over until its over."
> > "Don't count your chickens until they hatch."
>
> So you're concerned she might start listening to neal too.
No, that she might start listening to an admited Gestapo CPS apologist like YOU, Delusional Dan.
> Unless Jennifer starts to do what neal is advising her to do ( be
> confrontational with CPS) the chances are her kids will come home.
Yeah, right Delusional Dan.
The ONLY reason they ARE coming home is that she decided finally to BECOME 'confrontational' with Gestapo CPS.
> This IS the time for Jennifer to realize she's walking on eggshells.
SHE was not the one who got slammed down in that review hearing... it was Gestapo CPS.
> This is not the time for Jennifer to have the attitude that she can't lose.
Who said she should have such an attitude? However she should ALSO not have an attitude of someone living in
abject terror as you would have her do apparently, Delusional Dan.
> Her mindset for ALL contacts with CPS should be reunification, bonding
> and counseling.
And Gestapo CPS goosesteppers are getting in the way of that and should be put in their place, as she did.
I commend her for it.
You, on the other hand, equate and compare her to people who would rape or kill their own kids.
I wonder who has Jen's best interests at heart here, Delusional Dan?
Clearly it is not you.
<chuckle>
> I think she knows that now.
>
> It's too bad neal can't keep his mouth shut and let Jennifer have her
> kids come home.
I merely congratulated her on her win and her actions... YOU are the one who berated her for it, attacked
anyone else who supported her in her actions, and compared and equated her with parents who would kill and
rape their own kids.
Such a buddy you are, Delusional Dan.
NOT!
<chuckle>
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> > Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C3325D3...@attbi.com>...
> > > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> > >
> > > > BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote in message news:<70eef042.02010...@posting.google.com>...
> > > >
> > > > > I remember
> > > > > one day at a visit, I was sharing these herbal mints w/ my 3 yr. old,
> > > > > and the lady who drives the kids to the office, comes in and asks me
> > > > > what I'm giving him, and wants to read the ingredients, like I was
> > > > > trying to poison him or something.
> > > >
> > > > Jennifer, they don't know what your giving your kid.
> > >
> > > They have absolutely NO basis for believing it is anything harmful and EVERY reason for believing it is
> > > not, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > Really?
>
> Yes, Delusional Dan, really.
>
> > Didn't a child during supervised visitation get killed up in your
> > area? I'm sure CPS had no reason to believe THAT was going to happen,
> > but it did.
>
> Actually they DID know it would happen,
You are a freakin' joke, neal.
> and the clown actually managed to get fired for sitting in a car reading his book while the woman he was
> supposed to closely supervise killed her kid.
>
> Heads are still rolling over that one.
>
> That was a case of a woman who was mentally disturbed and her status in that was KNOWN. She was a KNOWN risk.
>
> In Jen's case, as I said, they had no reason to believe she would harm her child and every reason to believe otherwise.
>
> You have yet to show otherwise in any credible or legitimate manner, Delusional Dan.
Do you not remember why CPS took her children?
> > Jennifer's child is still in CPS' custody and they are
> > responsible for his protection.
>
> Sorry, Delusional Dan, but the court has ordered the children returned, so this is a transition period.
Unless Jennifer starts listening to you, and then she could be back at
square one. Childless.
> Your Gestapo CPS apologist attitude continues on full bore, Delusional Dan, that much is abundantly apparent.
>
> > Besides, her children were removed
> > because she did give drugs to her unborne twins. DID YOU FORGET???
>
> She did, Delusional Dan? She GAVE DRUGS to her unborn twins? With her hands? Did she inject them with a needle through the uterine wall,
> Delusional Dan?
The method isn't relevant.
Why do you think it is?
> You really ARE being quite the desperate little moron today.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> Her UAs have been completely clean for months and they are no longer tied to her bloodstream, Delusional Dan. She has NO history of EVER since birth
> giving her children controlled substances without a doctor's supervision, now does she?
Her history with her children starts before they were born.
> Your desperate Gestapo CPS apologist attitude is again clearly and duly noted, Delusional Dan.
>
> > > But leave it to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself, Delusional Dan, to jump to the defense
> > > of the anti-parent paranoid biases of Gestapo CPS goosesteppers.
> >
> > I'm not jumping to CPS' defense,
>
> HORSE MANURE, Delusional Dan! That is EXACTLY what you are doing... you did it when I typed the above text and you are doing it now even more.
You ARE sick!
I did it WHEN you typed the above text?
How could that be?
Do you think I'm psychic?
> It seems quite obvious to me and likely to anyone other than someone who is as devout a Gestapo CPS apologist as you are, Delusional Dan.
>
> > but they are looking for ANY reason
> > to not give children back. The candy may've been safe ( CPS didn't
> > know that) but a badly turned phrase could get Jennifer back in front
> > of the judge.
>
> Let them.
Aren't you the freakin' hero. With someone elses kids!
> They would have to show that there was something in the candy. Hard to do when there wasn't. And a snide comment to kidnappers is hardly
> out of line.
Says you!
You don't think CPS could get a psych to claim she is under so much
stress about the reunification this is an indication she is about to
revert back to drugs?
Couldn't CPS claim that this statement shows she is again a RISK???
> > Besides didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
> >
> > "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
>
> And I am not suggesting she do so... I am also not suggesting she be their doormat and kowtowing lackey as you seem to be suggesting, Delusional Dan.
>
> > > Typical indeed.
> >
> > Yeah, I think your an -sshole too, neal.
>
> Difference is, Delusional Dan, my opinion of you is legitimately founded, while yours of me clearly is not.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > > > Don't think that drugging a child during visitation hasn't been tried before.
> > >
> > > What possible reason could she have for doing so?
> >
> > You think people who are drug addicts can't be mentally ill at the
> > same time?
>
> She is not a drug addict, Delususional Dan, and that was already proven.
You OBVIOUSLY know nothing about addiction.
And you have just proved it here.
> The anti-parent biased paranoia you are exhibiting is precisely that of Gestapo CPS... how typical an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself
> would mirror such aspects.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > Reason has nothing to do with what most child abusers do to their
> > kids, if it did they wouldn't BE child abusers.
>
> Sorry, Delusional Dan, but again we are not talking hypothetical random cases, we are talking specifically of Jen, who is someone who has had clean
> UAs for what? Over a year? And who the court has already ordered a timely transition to returning full custody of her children to her.
Not over a year. Just over six months. And it is a known fact that a
drug addict will fail three times before they actually become clean.
And nothing is etched in stone.
And nothing was said of full custody, it's physical custody Jennifer's
getting.
Pay attention.
> The lame and desperately grasped at BS you present here so far is non sequitur here, Delusional Dan. The person in question should be fully aware of
> the case, of her UA status, of her never having had documented homicidal mental issues regarding her children and that the kids will be going back to
> her within a couple months.
>
> As I said, Delusional Dan, despite your desperate attempts at being a Gestapo CPS apologist and defending their indefensible actions in this case,
> they had no reason to suspect she would harm her kids and every reason to believe otherwise.
>
> Heck, the visits should not even BE supervised!
The visits with her three year old aren't.
I'm not sure when they stop with the twins.
> And yet you equate Jen with that psychotic homicidal child killer?
You are delusioneal.
> If I were Jen I would he highly insulted by your statements and accusations, Delusional Dan.
>
> > > The court has already ordered the children returned to her.
> >
> > So what?
>
> Desperately delusional to the end, eh Delusional Dan? Apparently so?
>
> So what indeed? So the courts clearly do not consider her to be a risk to the children, if they are ordering the children returned to her.
Like in the Gaston case?
Did you tell them not to worry?
Wasn't it an Oregon court that ordered the child home?
How is that reunification going by the way?
> As such
> why woud a rational and intelligent sane person think she would harm her kids?
Because the stress of taking care of three children, a toddler and two
infants might get someone back using drugs.
> Then again rational, intelligent and sane rarely describes the typical Gestapo CPS goosestepper, does it?
CPS knows the rate of failure is three times before the drug addict
succeeds.
> Or Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself apparently.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > That can't change?
> >
> > Didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
> >
> > "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
>
> Again you desperately attempt to misquote and misapply in your standard dishonest and delusional misrepresentative tactic, Delusional Dan.
>
> Never letting your guard down MOST ASSUREDLY DOES NOT mean be their doormat, allow them to swagger in their personal power trips or to violate your
> rights or those of your family and children in any way, nor does it require you to kow tow to them... all of which you seem to presume it does.
>
> As usual, Delusional Dan, your assessments are grossly erroneous.
You are wrong as usual, neal.
> <chuckle>
>
> > AND,
> >
> > "do not forget... in the Gaston case the judge ordered all charges
> > dismissed because every witness against the Gastons recanted their
> > testimony, and the child Melissa was ordered returned ot her family
> > immediately, and all Gestapo CPS did was turn around and refile the
> > SAME DISMISSED CHARGES and Melissa
> > has completely vanished... never produced or seen in years now."
> >
> > Are you taking stupid pills every day, neal?
>
> No, Delusional Dan, but clearly you are.
>
> They could do that whether Jen let them play their games or not.
>
> And in fact if she allowed herself to be continually victimized in this manner why would they want to give up their playtoy?
>
> But again your clear lack of comprehension and unbridled Gestapo CPS apologist attitude are duly noted, Delusional Dan.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > > Again, Delusional Dan, your desperate defense of their unreasonable anti-parent paranoia does not go unnoticed.
> >
> > No defense,
>
> And anyone who believes that lie can buy the lovely oceanfront property in Kansas I have for sale, Delusional Dan.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > I just want Jennifer to get her kids back.
>
> I seriously doubt that...
You are delusioneal.
So you don't care if the reunification falls apart and Jennifer has to
start a new fight to get her kids back?
> > Time for you to take another stupid pill, neal?
>
> I do not do so, and never have, Delusional Dan, though I am sure you would love me to start to begin to get me down to your intellectual level.
>
> You are the one who apparently has the lifetime supply of them, popping them like theatre popcorn, Delusional Dan.
>
> Oh, BTW Delusional Dan, have you stopped raping six year old boys yet?
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > > Then they can have the kid's stomach pumped for no good reason and be found to be as extremely
> > > erroneous and harmful as they have been clearly and conclusively proven to have been in the vast majority
> > > of cases.
> >
> > And in the minority of cases the little kids die or OD.
>
> We are not speaking of statistics, Delusional Dan... but nice desperate attempt at evasion, obfuscation, dodge and dance and subject changing.
>
> We are speaking specifically of Jen's case.
And we are speaking of the standard protection practices of CPS.
Did you forget they still have custody?
> > FYI A while back a father during a supervised visitation AT CPS
> > disappeared with his two year old. After a frantic search the father
> > was found in a stall in the mens room raping his own child. But that
> > would be the minority.
> >
> > Did I mention it was in Oregon?
>
> Again, Delusional Dan, this is not that case, this is Jen's case.
>
> Are you now accusing Jen publicly of wishing to rape her own child?
You are delusioneal.
> Sure seems that way from here, Delusional Dan. I think at the VERY least you owe Jen a significant apology.
I think at the very least you should pucker up and give me a BIGGGGG
kiss on my -ss.
> But your desperate attempt again to change the subject (something you seem to do all the time while dishonestly denying it and falsely accusing
> others of doing so (projection on your part)) is duly noted, Delusional Dan.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > > > You should've thought a little longer.
> > >
> > > Why? It is their idiocy, she SHOULD rub their noses in it.
> >
> > That'll help.
>
> Yes it will, Delusional Dan, to let them know she will not tolerate their BS.
You are delusioneal.
> > Again, didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
> >
> > "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
>
> See above for detailed explanation of your clear lack of comprehension and inability to credibly assess statements, Delusional Dan.
>
> > Stupid pill again?
>
> You clearly took a handful just before posting, Delusional Dan.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > I think you're about to OD on them!
>
> No, Delusional Dan, that would be you.
>
> > How about a mouthful of castor oil?
> >
> > You ARE so full of sh-t, neal!
>
> Nowhere near as much as you clearly are, Delusional Dan.
>
> > > > "It's just a breath mint" would've been sufficient.
> > >
> > > Their minding their own damned business would have been sufficient, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > When CPS has custody of a particular child it IS their business.
>
> Not in this case, Delusional Dan.
And why would THAT be???
> But again your desperate and devout Gestapo CPS apologist attitude is duly noted.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > You do know CPS doesn't want to lose custody of the kids, don't you,
> > neal?
>
> And what does that have to do with Jen refusing to be a doormat and allowing this arrogant Gestapo CPS goosestepper to fly her personal power trip on
> her and violate her rights and those of her family and children, Delusional Dan?
>
> > > But it is clearly apparent that to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself this does not even
> > > enter into your pea-sized (if THAT) 'mind'.
> >
> > Didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
> >
> > "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
>
> What is that? Six times you have misquoted me and demonstrated your clear and obvious ignorance of what I said, Delusional Dan?
>
> Where in my statement have I EVER advocated cowering in abject terror at every glance of Gestapo CPS, Delusional Dan? Hmmmmm?
Who said that?
> For that is what you are suggesting here, and clearly so.
>
> > > <chuckle>
> > >
> > > > > I too ate a handful. She never said another thing about what I brought for
> > > > > him on our visits.
> > > > > Well just had to get that off my chest.
> > > > > HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > JEN
> > > >
> > > > It's very advantageous to think before you speak.
> > >
> > > It is also very advantageous to put these fascist and arrogant miscreants in their place.
> >
> > And get taken back to court, and have the judge reverse her decision,
> > and THEN you can say, "I told you so?"
>
> And why would a judge do so, Delusional Dan, just because she stood up for herself and her child and her family, hmmmmm?
Because it would demonstrate that Jennifer was focused on the wrong
thing.
> Isn't that what parents are SUPPOSED to do?
>
> If Gestapo CPS tried to do so it would be simplicity itself to show their arrogance and unreason for what it is.
>
> Remember, Gestapo CPS was shut down HARD by this judge on pretty much every point.
That's what YOU think?
The last time one of my friends had a judge rule in their favor over a
CPS decision in Family Court the county attny filed a motion in a
higher court and got a stay on the judges ruling and the whole thing
was dragged out another year.
But, hey, it's not your kids. No sweat off your back!
>In this case the judge is NOT their friend.
Dream on, zipperhead.
> They clearly
> overstepped and it is THEY, not she, who should be walking on thin ice.
CPS didn't overstep and the judge decided which path to take,
reunification NOT TPR.
CPS should be walking on thin ice?
You are delusioneal.
> But again your advocacy that people just allow Gestapo CPS to do whatever they want is duly noted for the standard Gestapo CPS apologist screed you
> always seem to exude, Delusional Dan.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > Sorry neal, Jennifer's going to think a little MORE before she blows
> > the reunification.
> >
> > Is that OK by you, zipperhead?
>
> What SHE decides to do is fine by me, Delusional Dan.
Like clean up, go to parenting classes, straighten out her life?
GOOD! That's the only intelligent thing you have said so far about
this case.
> And she stopped listening to you a great deal apparently when your completely and total ignorance of the Oregon system and telling her to just go
> along with whatever Gestapo CPS wanted (which turned out to be TPR and adopting out her kids) was exposed for the ludicrously Gestapo CPS apologist
> nonsense that it was.
>
> She decided to FIGHT Gestapo CPS, stand up for herself, her family and her children, and from that day (of victimhood) to this day of near total
> victory she has benefitted the FURTHER away from your Gestapo CPS apologist advice she has gone.
You are delusioneal.
> > > > Staying calm doesn't give CPS the chance to document that you went out
> > > > of control, but a flippant answer won't help your cause either.
> > >
> > > Since when is flippancy in the face of gross unreason such as Gestapo CPS routinely presents a crime,
> > > Delusional Dan?
> >
> > Not a crime, but possibly a reason for CPS to ask the judge for a
> > reversal of her earlier decision.
>
> Oh, Delusional Dan? On what legitimate grounds would that be? Standing up to the victimizers of her children, her family and herself? WOW! What
> an unparentlike aspect! Have to stamp that out NOW, huh Delusional Dan?
Wrong frame of mind.
You are on the Oregon Child Abuse Registry multiple times and CPS had
legal custody of your children for two extra years because you had
your head up your ass.
> I am a practicing parent, Delusional Dan... you are at best a bystander who was shown to NOT be in the best interests of his children.
>
> And I know these facts stick in your craw, Delusional Dan. GOOD.
>
> > Or should she be EXTREMELY careful as I want her to be and get the
> > kids home with her, AND IN HER CUSTODY!!!
>
> You are not required to walk on eggshells with these clowns.
That's good advice when they have custody of someone elses kids!
> Do you think I do?
Who cares what you do?
Oregon CPS laughs everytime they see you or hear your name. You are
the one that keeps them in business. All that BS advice, keeping the
poor parents focused on fighting when they should be focused on
getting their children back. Telling people that reversing CPS' bad
decision is a waste of time. Posting your drivel on the internet so
people all over the country fall for the same crapola.
Did leaving your kids in the legal custody of CPS for those extra two
years enable them to collect reimbursement from the state and from the
federal gov?
Did your incompetence fill CPS' pockets with money to mistreat other
families?
Did they send you a Happy Face card signed by everyone in the office?
They should!
> Your kind whine and shriek at how if Gestapo CPS ever saw my posts or my website they would scoop up my kids immediately.
Dream on.
> Fact is I am sure they are
> fully aware of my posts and my website and in fact have done no such thing, for they know they caught me the first time unprepared and not knowing
> all the rules, especially the one about when I had to file the letters of intent to sue... they see their immunities crumbling around them and they
> know full well that if they EVER mess with my family again they will be on the business end of a lawsuit with zeroes going n as far as the eye can
> see...
>
> Their hopes are futile anyway, for in about 4 yrs and a month or so the timer starts for my girls, and they are more than interested in having
> themselves set for life on the proceeds of the lawsuit against their kidnappers.
>
> > > You are just ticked off that your buddies you play apologist to were demonstrated clearly as being the
> > > ludicrous and offensive cretins they clearly are.
> >
> > Jennifer admitted her faults and rectified the situation to the
> > satisfaction of the court. That's why she's getting her kids back.
>
> Which has nothing to do with her being their doormat or allowing them to fly their personal power trips against her or to allow them to violate her
> rights, or those of her family or children, Delusional Dan.
>
> > There is NO OTHER REASON!
>
> If you will notice, Delusional Dan, in the hearing Gestapo CPS did not want to give the kids back and even their pet judge saw the emptiness of their
> case and claims and told them to stuff it.
>
> > > They tried their BS power tripping and Jen put them in their place.
> >
> > No she didn't.
>
> Yes, in fact, she did.
>
> And that is what seems to get your goat, Delusional Dan, more than almost anything else.
>
> You have a CONSISTENT record of deriding anyone who stands up to these fascists, Delusional Dan.
You are delusioneal.
> > Jennifer used methamphetamine during her pregnancy with her twins.
> > They were born with meth in their little bodies. She admits that she
> > should've lost her kids because of that.
>
> So what? What does that have to do with what is being discussed here, Delusional Dan?
>
> She has had completely clean UAs doe what? over a year? Nearly two years?
Pay attention, zipperhead. Just over six months.
> Old news, Delusional Dan, and entirely irrelevant.
>
> But leave it to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself to continue to try and throw it up.
>
> Seems a common tactic with you, doesn't it, Delusional Dan?
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > And now because of CPS' intervention that she agrees should've
> > happened, she's clean, sober, focused, and scared to death about the
> > responsibility that's about to come to her.
>
> Again, entirely irrelevant.
Exactly relevant.
> And it is not because of Gestapo CPS' intervention, because THEY wanted her to trade her twins for her first child.
>
> Your desperate attempt to make Gestapo CPS out to be Jen's FRIEND and a FRIEND to her children is duly noted for the Gestapo CPS apologist screed it
> is, Delusional Dan.
>
> Gestapo CPS is many things... Jen's friend or friend to her children is NOT one of them.
>
> > And she's going to beat the odds.
>
> No thanks to you or your idiotic Gestapo CPS apologist advice, Delusional Dan.
>
> > > Go Jen!
> >
> > F-ck you, you blithering -sshole!
>
> Oh really now? I cheer on Jen and you respond like this, eh Delusional Dan?
You're cheering Jennifer on to fight with CPS and not get her kids
back!
Neal Feldman
"destroycps!" wrote:
> Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!! Destroycps!!!!!!!!!
>
> Neal Feldman says...
> >I am willing to stand corrected, Jen. I may
> >be confusing your case with another. Come to think of it I believe
> >it is Nehmo's case I am confusing yours with.
>
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Jennifer
I received an e-mail of support from Nehmo a while back, and my
prayers go out out to him and his family. Is there anyone we can write
to reguarding this case? Anything we can do at all? I dont know why
Blaze was taken, but didnt they also take Susan's baby because they
found methadone in her system? Something that was put in her system by
the Doctors, shortly before birth? How can this be happening? I firmly
believe that we have got to do something drastic, and quick, to
prevent this kind of thing from going on anymore. I dont know what,
but someone has got to have some idea. Hands across America, or the
Million man march! Who started those demonstrations? The Parents (and
most importantly), the Children, who have been victimized by this
Agency, come from all walks of life, and from all parts of the
Country.So we could Bann together and take 'em down! I dont have any
idea on how to form a rally, or protest, but I am more than willing to
make our voices be herd. And I can scream pretty damn loud too !...
Good Luck Nehmo, Susan, and Blaze. My heart goes out to you.
Jen
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Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> > Ric Werme <we...@mediaone.net> wrote in message news:<wYOY7.12178$zX1.10...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>...
> > > dsul...@optonline.net (Dan Sullivan) writes:
> > >
> > > >And Jennifer gets her kids back!!!
>
> > > >What a happy ending.
> > >
> > > "It's not over until its over."
> > > "Don't count your chickens until they hatch."
> >
> > So you're concerned she might start listening to neal too.
>
> No, that she might start listening to an admited Gestapo CPS apologist like YOU, Delusional Dan.
>
> > Unless Jennifer starts to do what neal is advising her to do ( be
> > confrontational with CPS) the chances are her kids will come home.
>
> Yeah, right Delusional Dan.
>
> The ONLY reason they ARE coming home is that she decided finally to BECOME 'confrontational' with Gestapo CPS.
You are wrong as usual neal.
Jennifer sold the reunification idea to the judge with her letter.
> > This IS the time for Jennifer to realize she's walking on eggshells.
>
> SHE was not the one who got slammed down in that review hearing... it was Gestapo CPS.
>
> > This is not the time for Jennifer to have the attitude that she can't lose.
>
> Who said she should have such an attitude? However she should ALSO not have an attitude of someone living in
> abject terror as you would have her do apparently, Delusional Dan.
>
> > Her mindset for ALL contacts with CPS should be reunification, bonding
> > and counseling.
>
> And Gestapo CPS goosesteppers are getting in the way of that and should be put in their place, as she did.
She never did that.
And it would be a mistake if she started now.
> I commend her for it.
>
> You, on the other hand, equate and compare her to people who would rape or kill their own kids.
You are delusioneal.
> I wonder who has Jen's best interests at heart here, Delusional Dan?
>
> Clearly it is not you.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > I think she knows that now.
> >
> > It's too bad neal can't keep his mouth shut and let Jennifer have her
> > kids come home.
>
> I merely congratulated her on her win and her actions... YOU are the one who berated her for it,
Where?
> attacked anyone else who supported her in her actions,
I supported her in her actions and you said what she was doing was
wrong and she was going to end up in a TPR hearing.
> and compared and equated her with parents who would kill and
> rape their own kids.
Only in your delusional state.
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> > Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C33271F...@attbi.com>...
> > > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hello People,
> > > >
> > > > A while back I wrote the advice, "Stay out of court," and a number of
> > > > you jumped on me saying that it was CPS that brought you to court and
> > > > you had to go. Basically you thought my advice was BS. Well obviously
> > > > if you get taken to Family Court by CPS you have to go. But the
> > > > following from Jennifer is exactly what I was talking about.
> > > >
> > > > BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote in message news:<70eef042.02010...@posting.google.com>...
> > > >
> > > > -------------------<snip>-----------------
> > > >
> > > > > I am going to go back into Court, w/ or w/out my lawyer, and
> > > > > let the judge know whats going on. This isnt right at all.
> > > >
> > > > You don't go to court if you don't have to, EVER!!!
> > >
> > > Why not, Delusional Dan?
> >
> > Because taking CPS to court for no good reason is going to backfire in
> > your face.
>
> Your presumption that it is for no good reason is duly noted as the unsubstantiated and inaccurate assessment it
> clearly is, Delusional Dan.
>
> And your statement I responded to had no qualifiers... it was an absolute... never for any reason justified or
> not, legitimate or not, necessary or not, ever ever EVER got to court if you do not have to. THAT is what I
> responded to, Delusional Dan.
Did you NOT read the, "if you don't have to" part?
> Why are you all of a sudden changing your statement in mid discussion of it?
>
> Because you see the lunacy of your original statement but lack the credibility, honesty and honor to admit it?
>
> Sure seems that way, Delusional Dan.
>
> <chucke>
>
> > > When GESTAPO CPS is VIOLATING COURT ORDERS and VIOLATING YOUR RIGHTS and those of your children your advice
> > > is to just LET THEM?
> >
> > That's not what's happening in Jennifer's case.
>
> Actually it is.
Not what Jennifer says.
> > She's about to get her kids back, and taking CPS to court for no good
> > reason will demonstrate to the judge that Jennifer's mind is not on
> > reunification as it should be, but on unnecessary confrontations with
> > the people who STILL HAVE CUSTODY of her kids.
>
> Sorry, Delusional Dan, but you are again completely looney tunes.
>
> This Gestapo CPS goosestepper is flying personal power trips at Jen's expense and the expense of her children and
> family. Also there is ZERO reason that the visits, especially since the return order was issues, need to be
> supervised.
Call CPS up and give them your opinion.
> Gestapo CPS is violating the spirit, if not the absolute letter, of the judge's order.
And what part would that be?
> > But you don't care about that, you just want to be able to say, "I
> > told you so," when she doesn't get her kids back.
>
> Excuse me? Where do you get that from, Delusional Dan?
>
> I want her to get her kids back, as I got mine back.
>
> YOU never got yours back, did you Delusional Dan? Hmmmmm?
>
> It is clearly YOU who desperately wish to see her not get her kids back so YOU can say 'told you so'.
About what?
> You make
> that quite abundantly clear in your desperate defense of Gestapo CPS and the rest of your Gestapo CPS apologist
> screeds.
>
> > > Sure seems to be what you are saying here.
> >
> > That's only because your so stupid, neal.
>
> No, Delusional Dan. At every turn I have been proven entirely accurate and correct in what I have said about you
> and your BS here. You denied up and down for months that you were the Gestapo CPS apologist I had clearly and
> conclusively proven you to be. Finally you admitted I was right.
A CPS apologist STRICTLY for you pooky!!!!!
No one else. And you know that.
> You have for months delusionally and dishonestly denied ever lying here or having such lies proven as such... I
> have a multitude of times proven these lies of yours to be just as I have said.
Post the first twentyfive.
> You are so completely losing it in your frustrated obsession regarding me, Delusional Dan, that you have taken to
> fabricating false emails and posting them to the newsgroup and attributing them to me.
That wasn't you?????
> You have also taken to fits of profanity laced epithets of anger and frustration.
Your mental illness does not go unnoticed.
So it's possible that Jennifer could get her kids back and for TWO
YEARS CPS still hold legal custody?
> > You could've gone back to court to regain custody.
> >
> > But you didn't.
>
> I already had custody, Delusional Dan, and there was no reason for me to know that legal custody had not been
> returned as it was supposed to have been.
>
> I have never claimed omniscience, the ability to know that which I have no reason to know, Delusional Dan.
>
> Why do you constantly try and insist I have this ability, Delusional Dan? Hmmmmm?
>
> All you do is continue to demonstrate how illegitimate and noncredible you are in your practices of dishonesty,
> fabrication, misrepresentation and a host of other flawed critical thinking and logical fallacy practices,
> Delusional Dan.
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > > Just let Gestapo CPS violate any civil, constitutional, human, due process and parental rights they want.
> >
> > Droning crapola.
>
> Dictionary of Delusional Dan: "Droning crapola: Text which correctly and accurately identifies Deluisional Dan's
> BS and which Delusional Dan cannot seem to bring himself to accept the reality of; an aspect of Delusional Dan's
> deep delusional denial and dishonesty"
>
> > > Just let Gestapo CPS ignore any court orders or laws they wish.
> >
> > That's not happening in this case.
>
> Actually it is.
And they would be?
> > The kids are coming home, unless Jennifer starts listening to you.
>
> Actually it has been since she STOPPED listening to YOU and STARTED listening to ME that things turned around in
> her case for the better for her and her family and her children.
Dream on, zipperhead.
> YOU were the one telling her to just do whatever Gestapo CPS said and go along with whatever plans they had.
And her success in that area was what she put in her letter to tyhe
judge and that's why the judge ruled, so far, in Jennifer's favor.
So far, unless Jennifer starts listening to you.
> Those plans were clearly to TPR her kids and adopt them out, Delusional Dan.
>
> THAT is where YOUR advice would have led her.
>
> *I* told her to fight Gestapo CPS for her kids and family and that is what she did. And In the review hearing
> Gestaopo CPS still wanted to keep her kids, she fought against them on that, and she won.
>
> And you clearly cannot deal with it, so you continue to try and berate her for standing up for the rights of
> herself, her family and her kids... you continue to spew one Gestapo CPS apologist screed after another
> defending Gestapo CPS, and you continue to insult Jen by equating her with parents who would rape or kill their
> own children.
>
> You CLAIM you are her friend, Delusional Dan. Sorry but around these parts at least that is NOT how friends
> treat friends.
Did the Christines ever thank you for the friendly advice you posted
on the internet that got them where they are today?
> Your lies have already been proven as such and proven to be legion and this is just another of them to toss on
> the slag heap of Delusional Dan's dishonesties.
>
> > > Just let Gestapo CPS goosesteppers go on whatever personal powertrips they want to.
> >
> > More droning crapola.
>
> Dictionary of Delusional Dan: "Droning crapola: Text which correctly and accurately identifies Deluisional Dan's
> BS and which Delusional Dan cannot seem to bring himself to accept the reality of; an aspect of Delusional Dan's
> deep delusional denial and dishonesty"
>
> > Two babies born on meth.
> >
> > Did you forget?
>
> That was then, this is now, Delusional Dan.
>
> Over a year of perfectly clean UAs, Delusional Dan.
Just over six months.
And a drug addict or an alcoholic even when they are clean for years
are NEVER free of the addiction.
> Did you forget?
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > > Just let Gestapo CPS cause whatever harm they want.
> >
> > CPS got the twins off drugs, and Jennifer.
> >
> > Sounds good to me.
>
> Yeah, right, Delusional Dan... Gestapo CPS is Jen's best buddy in the world and the best friend her kids will
> ever have.
I didn't say that.
> I wonder if Jen agrees with this assessment of yours, Delusional Dan.
>
> They tried to kidnap her children, TPR them and adopt them out.
>
> Sorry, but that does not sound like the actions of a 'best buddy' to me.
>
> How about anyone else? Want to chime in as to whether Gestapo CPS is the best buddy that Jen and her kids could
> ever have wished for as Delusional Dan, the admitted Gestapo CPS apologist, seems to be claiming here? Hmmmm?
>
> <chuckle>
>
> > > And do absolutely NOTHING about it.
> >
> > NOTHING???
>
> > Jennifer's got her kids coming back home.
> >
> > At this point what more can she ask for?
>
> Lessee... unsupervised visits until the actual return, no more arrogant personal power trips by Gestapo CPS
> goosesteppers against her, her family or her kids... the list could get longer still.
That's YOUR list. Jennifer knows what to do. And what she has to do.
> > CPS is grinding their teeth because Jennifer prevailed.
>
> Apparently not so much... the visits are still supervised with no legitimate reason for them to be, and the
> goosesteppers are still flying their personal power trips against her, her family and her kids.
The stress of such a monumental reunification might set anyone off,
back to drugs. CPS knows that.
> > > Yeah, Delusional Dan... great plan.
> > >
> > > NOT!
> >
> > What a shame, you're upset that Jennifer succeeded.
>
> Excuse me? What part of the Twilight Zone are you in, Delusional Dan.
>
> It is clearly YOU who are upset that Jen triumphed over your buddies in Gestapo CPS, Delusional Dan. YOU are the
> admitted Gestapo CPS apologist.
Only for you pooky.
> *I* am congratulating Jen and THAT is what seems to be getting your goat.
No, you're inciting Jennifer to confront CPS when she's almost across
the finish line.
Leave her alone.
Let her succeed.
Wait til she gets all the kids back and full legal custody and then
tell her what she did wrong.
I gather that there hasn't ever been a success of this type on the NG
yet.
Your advice and the results of it are well documented.
Jennifer
Might I interject here?! You two are worse the Siskel and Ebert. I
dont even know where to begin with you two, but let me start by saying
this:
I have read about alot of familys who have done everything that CPS
wanted them to do, yet they still didnt get their children back. But
thats only one side of their story. I have experienced the one-sided
story, in my own case, in that everytime we went into court, the only
ones talking were SCF, and maybe the lawyers, and of course the Judge.
I feel that parents are not properly informed of what is taking place,
and that the court doesnt get enough information to make a fair
decision,. And that fault rests on the parents attorneys. The court
only gets the report from the agency, and nothing from the parents. At
my last hearing, I decided to submit a letter to the judge, explaining
my situation, as I felt it had not been presented. The judge herd a
better description of the events since my case started, and then was
able to make a better decision. My case workers have never actually
made any negative remarks reguarding me, or the father, yet what they
write in their report, is usually worded in a more derogatory way. The
parents never get to see these reports, therefore never getting to
properly defend themselves. It is a scary thing they call community
collaberation. (spelled wrong), but its like they all agree to say the
sanme things. Meaning the parents attorney, the Gal, and CPS. And then
the agency's who provide the services we are required to participate
in. So the parents dont have a chance to begin with. But thats not to
say that they are always in the wrong. And not all Foster Parents are
bad people. They are their to take in kids who have serious problems.
They get attached to some and then they have to let them go. Thats
hard. I have been fortunate. The foster parents in my case are the
typical Ward and June Cleaver. But they have a hard job. During all
of this legal crap, the procedures, the rules, and whatever else, it
seems that sometimes the most important aspect of this whole process,
is forgotten, and that is the kids. Their well being is of the upmost
importance here. And SCF doesnt always see that, yet neither do their
own parents. There have been times in which I had to hear my 3 yr/ old
cry because he just wanted mommy to lay down with him till he fell
asleep, yet SCF would not permit me to go to my moms house for maybe
and hour to do this. There was a long period of time where I wasnt
allowed to go to my moms house at all. There was absolutley no reason
for this. It would have helped him to maybe not suufer so much with
this whole thing. On the other hand, there are so many parents out
there who cant even preform simple requests to get their children
back, and then when its over, they decided they want to try. Or dont
understand how it happpened that they lost their kids. I have done
what I was supposed to do. And that is pretty much the reason why I'm
getting my children home. They are my whole life, and just for the
record, I would like to say that my twins were not born addicted to
meth. They were exposed and not affected. I was never an addict
according to my drug evaluation, although I feel that if a person does
any drug while pregnant, there is a serious problem there. I wasnt a
person who used more than maybe 3-4 times in a year. I'm not excusing
the fact that I did use, but no one can punish me more than I punish
myself. I will not go backwards in life, only forwards, and that is
all for my kids. Thanks for listening
Jen
Jennifer
What is all of this?
Jen
Dan Sullivan
> Might I interject here?! You two are worse the Siskel and Ebert. I
> dont even know where to begin with you two, but let me start by saying
> this:
> I have read about alot of familys who have done everything that CPS
> wanted them to do, yet they still didn't get their children back. But
> that's only one side of their story. I have experienced the one-sided
> story, in my own case, in that everytime we went into court, the only
> ones talking were SCF, and maybe the lawyers, and of course the Judge.
> I feel that parents are not properly informed of what is taking place,
> and that the court doesnt get enough information to make a fair
> decision. And that fault rests on the parents attorneys. The court
> only gets the report from the agency, and nothing from the parents. At
> my last hearing, I decided to submit a letter to the judge, explaining
> my situation, as I felt it had not been presented. The judge heard a
> better description of the events since my case started, and then was
> able to make a better decision. My case workers have never actually
> made any negative remarks reguarding me, or the father, yet what they
> write in their report, is usually worded in a more derogatory way. The
> parents never get to see these reports, therefore never getting to
> properly defend themselves. It is a scary thing they call community
> collaberation. (spelled wrong), but its like they all agree to say the
> same things. Meaning the parents attorney, the Gal, and CPS. And then
> the agencys who provide the services we are required to participate
> in. So the parents don't have a chance to begin with. But that's not to
> say that they are always in the wrong. And not all Foster Parents are
> bad people. They are there to take in kids who have serious problems.
> They get attached to some and then they have to let them go. Thats
> hard. I have been fortunate. The foster parents in my case are the
> typical Ward and June Cleaver. But they have a hard job. During all
> of this legal crap, the procedures, the rules, and whatever else, it
> seems that sometimes the most important aspect of this whole process,
> is forgotten, and that is the kids. Their well being is of the upmost
> importance here. And SCF doesnt always see that, yet neither do their
> own parents. There have been times in which I had to hear my 3 yr/ old
> cry because he just wanted mommy to lay down with him till he fell
> asleep, yet SCF would not permit me to go to my moms house for maybe
> and hour to do this. There was a long period of time where I wasnt
> allowed to go to my mom's house at all. There was absolutely no reason
> for this. It would have helped him to maybe not suffer so much with
> this whole thing. On the other hand, there are so many parents out
> there who can't even perform simple requests to get their children
> back, and then when its over, they decided they want to try. Or don't
> understand how it happpened that they lost their kids. I have done
> what I was supposed to do. And that is pretty much the reason why I'm
> getting my children home. They are my whole life, and just for the
> record, I would like to say that my twins were not born addicted to
> meth. They were exposed and not affected. I was never an addict
> according to my drug evaluation, although I feel that if a person does
> any drug while pregnant, there is a serious problem there. I wasn't a
> person who used more than maybe 3-4 times in a year. I'm not excusing
> the fact that I did use, but no one can punish me more than I punish
> myself. I will not go backwards in life, only forwards, and that is
> all for my kids. Thanks for listening.
> Jen
Hello Jennifer,
It could not have been said better!
All the best, Dan
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
> Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C3409B4...@attbi.com>...
> > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C3325D3...@attbi.com>...
> > > > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote in message news:<70eef042.02010...@posting.google.com>...
> > > > >
> > > > > > I remember
> > > > > > one day at a visit, I was sharing these herbal mints w/ my 3 yr. old,
> > > > > > and the lady who drives the kids to the office, comes in and asks me
> > > > > > what I'm giving him, and wants to read the ingredients, like I was
> > > > > > trying to poison him or something.
> > > > >
> > > > > Jennifer, they don't know what your giving your kid.
> > > >
> > > > They have absolutely NO basis for believing it is anything harmful and EVERY reason for believing it is
> > > > not, Delusional Dan.
> > >
> > > Really?
> >
> > Yes, Delusional Dan, really.
> >
> > > Didn't a child during supervised visitation get killed up in your
> > > area? I'm sure CPS had no reason to believe THAT was going to happen,
> > > but it did.
> >
> > Actually they DID know it would happen,
>
> You are a freakin' joke, neal.
No, Delusional Dan, that would as usual be you.
The fact is that they had more than enough evidence to know what would happen which is WHY the Gestapo CPS goosestepper was supposed to be closely
supervising the parent. Instead this clown was in his car reading a book while she killed the child. For this an OPEU member was terminated from
employment... a very unusual occurrance.
> > and the clown actually managed to get fired for sitting in a car reading his book while the woman he was
> > supposed to closely supervise killed her kid.
> >
> > Heads are still rolling over that one.
> >
> > That was a case of a woman who was mentally disturbed and her status in that was KNOWN. She was a KNOWN risk.
> >
> > In Jen's case, as I said, they had no reason to believe she would harm her child and every reason to believe otherwise.
> >
> > You have yet to show otherwise in any credible or legitimate manner, Delusional Dan.
>
> Do you not remember why CPS took her children?
Yup. That was then, this is now.
And they took them because she was on drugs... she is not now and has proven this to be the case for well over a year.
Also since the children are no longer in vitro the relevance of your continued attacks against Jen is highly questionable, which is why I continue to
question them, Delusional Dan.
And you claim to be her FRIEND?
And you claim to be a SUPPORTER of Jen and her family?
Interesting delusion you have there, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > > Jennifer's child is still in CPS' custody and they are
> > > responsible for his protection.
> >
> > Sorry, Delusional Dan, but the court has ordered the children returned, so this is a transition period.
>
> Unless Jennifer starts listening to you, and then she could be back at
> square one. Childless.
No, Delusional Dan. Her only significant progress came once she STARTED to listen to me and ignore the bleatings of Gestapo CPS apologists such as
yourself.
The facts prove this quite clearly indeed.
Your deep delusional denial, dishonesty and clear lack of ability to deal with the reality of this is duly noted, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > Your Gestapo CPS apologist attitude continues on full bore, Delusional Dan, that much is abundantly apparent.
> >
> > > Besides, her children were removed
> > > because she did give drugs to her unborne twins. DID YOU FORGET???
> >
> > She did, Delusional Dan? She GAVE DRUGS to her unborn twins? With her hands? Did she inject them with a needle through the uterine wall,
> > Delusional Dan?
>
> The method isn't relevant.
Actually it is ENTIRELY relevant, since the ONLY way she did so was in a way she could not prevent doing so, since she could not control what her body
passed on to the unborn children... and since they are no longer unborn it is impossible for this to occurr currently.
She never injected her kids with controlled substances, she injected HERSELF (or injected or in other ways took in) and it being passed onto the kids was
an indirect and likely unintentional consequence which clearly is inapplicable in the current situation for myriad reasons, not the least of which is that
she has been completely clean, as proven by regular UAs, for well over a year.
With people having attitudes such as yours, Delusional Dan, why should anyone reform, since the likes of you will never recognize their having done so even
after such is accomplished?
And you consider yourself to be Jen's FRIEND?
And you consider yourself to be Jen's SUPPORTER?
Interesting delusion you have there, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > You really ARE being quite the desperate little moron today.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > Her UAs have been completely clean for months and they are no longer tied to her bloodstream, Delusional Dan. She has NO history of EVER since birth
> > giving her children controlled substances without a doctor's supervision, now does she?
>
> Her history with her children starts before they were born.
That has nothing to do with what I said, Delusional Dan.
And considering she has been 100% clean, as proven by regular UAs, for well over a year you only continue to bring up irrelevancies in a desperate attempt
to smear Jen and defend Gestapo CPS as the Gestapo CPS apologist you have already admitted yourself to be, Delusional Dan.
You consider this to be evidence of what a great FRIEND you are to Jen?
You consider this to be evidence of what a great SUPPORTER of Jen and her family you are?
Interesting delusion you have there, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > Your desperate Gestapo CPS apologist attitude is again clearly and duly noted, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > > > But leave it to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself, Delusional Dan, to jump to the defense
> > > > of the anti-parent paranoid biases of Gestapo CPS goosesteppers.
> > >
> > > I'm not jumping to CPS' defense,
> >
> > HORSE MANURE, Delusional Dan! That is EXACTLY what you are doing... you did it when I typed the above text and you are doing it now even more.
>
> You ARE sick!
No, Delusional Dan. You continue to make your completely ridiculous and unsubstantiated unfounded allegations, and to do so without any basis in reality
whatever.
You, however, have continued to demonstrate how sick YOU are indeed, Delusional Dan.
> I did it WHEN you typed the above text?
Yes, Delusional Dan. You did it when I responded to it with the above text.
You continue to demonstrate a clear lack of comprehension of english.
Thank you for again proving this clearly and conclusively, Delusional Dan.
> > It seems quite obvious to me and likely to anyone other than someone who is as devout a Gestapo CPS apologist as you are, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > > but they are looking for ANY reason
> > > to not give children back. The candy may've been safe ( CPS didn't
> > > know that) but a badly turned phrase could get Jennifer back in front
> > > of the judge.
> >
> > Let them.
>
> Aren't you the freakin' hero. With someone elses kids!
Again, Delusional Dan, you have yet to substantiate any of your ridiculous bleatings.
I am not telling Jen to do anything. I am supporting her in HER choices.
The fact remains that Gestapo CPS got PASTED in that hearing... JEN is not the one who needs to walk on eggshells, Gestapo CPS is.
When you have an advantage as Jen does you do not retreat, you press it.
> > They would have to show that there was something in the candy. > Hard to do when there wasn't. And a snide comment to kidnappers > is hardly out of
> line.
>
> Says you!
Says THE LAW, Delusional Dan.
> You don't think CPS could get a psych to claim she is under so much
> stress about the reunification this is an indication she is about to
> revert back to drugs?
They could get a pet psych to claim the moon is made of green cheese. Does not mean that there is any legitimacy to the claim.
And any stress can be directly laid at the feet of Gestapo CPS... they can hardly be reasonably allowed to benefit from situations of their own creation,
especially since once their involvement is removed the stress would likely be removed as well.
> Couldn't CPS claim that this statement shows she is again a RISK???
They can CLAIM she is Elvis.
Does not mean that their claim will hold water, especially in a court with a judge who has already pasted them in this case.
> > > Besides didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
> > >
> > > "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
> >
> > And I am not suggesting she do so... I am also not suggesting she be their doormat and kowtowing lackey as you seem to be suggesting, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > > > Typical indeed.
> > >
> > > Yeah, I think your an -sshole too, neal.
> >
> > Difference is, Delusional Dan, my opinion of you is legitimately founded, while yours of me clearly is not.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > > > Don't think that drugging a child during visitation hasn't been tried before.
> > > >
> > > > What possible reason could she have for doing so?
> > >
> > > You think people who are drug addicts can't be mentally ill at the
> > > same time?
> >
> > She is not a drug addict, Delususional Dan, and that was already proven.
>
> You OBVIOUSLY know nothing about addiction.
Oh really now, Delusional Dan?
I smoked three and a half packs of cigarettes a day.
I quit cold turkey in 1985.
I have not smoked another cigarette or other tobacco product (or anything else for that matter) since.
Sure, in the future she could always START taking drugs... so could anyone else.
Your anti-parent paranoia continues to mirror that of Gestapo CPS, Delusional Dan.
Again, why bother to change, why bother to reform, when the likes of you will continue to ignore such and never give the person any credit for it at all?
> And you have just proved it here.
Actually nothing of the sort, Delusional Dan. Again you make your laughably ridiculous proclamations supported only by your own hot air and delusional
denial and dishonesty.
Typical of pretty much every post you make here, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > The anti-parent biased paranoia you are exhibiting is precisely that of Gestapo CPS... how typical an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself
> > would mirror such aspects.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > Reason has nothing to do with what most child abusers do to their
> > > kids, if it did they wouldn't BE child abusers.
> >
> > Sorry, Delusional Dan, but again we are not talking hypothetical random cases, we are talking specifically of Jen, who is someone who has had clean
> > UAs for what? Over a year? And who the court has already ordered a timely transition to returning full custody of her children to her.
>
> Not over a year. Just over six months. And it is a known fact that a
> drug addict will fail three times before they actually become clean.
WILL, huh? This is stated by you as a KNOWN FACT of ABSOLUTE CERTAINTY, huh Delusional Dan?
Interesting.
Nicotine is more addictive than meth or so the experts claim.
I smoked three and a half packs a day, and quit cold turkey without as much as a single relapse.
So much for your KNOWN FACTS, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> And nothing is etched in stone.
Oh? I thought you just made an absolutist claim above, that ALL addicts WILL fail three times, and that this is a KNOWN FACT... sure seems to be an
'etched in stone' kind of statement on your part.
Granted, as I proved it was a false statement, like virtually everything else you seem to post, Delusional Dan.
> And nothing was said of full custody, it's physical custody Jennifer's
> getting.
Actually I do not recall her stating that the order will not be for full custody.
But again your desperate clinging to your irrational support of your heroes in Gestapo CPS is duly noted, as is your being an admitted Gestapo CPS
apologist, Delusional Dan.
> Pay attention.
I do... that is your problem apparently.
One of oh so many....
<chuckle>
> > The lame and desperately grasped at BS you present here so far is non sequitur here, Delusional Dan. The person in question should be fully aware of
> > the case, of her UA status, of her never having had documented homicidal mental issues regarding her children and that the kids will be going back to
> > her within a couple months.
> >
> > As I said, Delusional Dan, despite your desperate attempts at being a Gestapo CPS apologist and defending their indefensible actions in this case,
> > they had no reason to suspect she would harm her kids and every reason to believe otherwise.
> >
> > Heck, the visits should not even BE supervised!
>
> The visits with her three year old aren't.
Um, check again, Delusional Dan. She was speaking OF the visit with the three year old.
> I'm not sure when they stop with the twins.
Since there is absolutely no legitimate basis for a requirement of supervision they should stop immediately having the requirement.
> > And yet you equate Jen with that psychotic homicidal child killer?
>
> You are delusioneal.
No, Delusional Dan. I am Neal.
YOU are delusional.
As has been clearly and conclusively proven many times.
Your equating Jen with that psychotic homicidal child killer was accurately pointed out, Delusional Dan. You cannot unring the bell no matter how much you
try, no matter how much you desperately wish to, and no matter how much backpedalling you do.
<chuckle>
> > If I were Jen I would he highly insulted by your statements and accusations, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > > > The court has already ordered the children returned to her.
> > >
> > > So what?
> >
> > Desperately delusional to the end, eh Delusional Dan? Apparently so?
> >
> > So what indeed? So the courts clearly do not consider her to be a risk to the children, if they are ordering the children returned to her.
>
> Like in the Gaston case?
>
> Did you tell them not to worry?
>
> Wasn't it an Oregon court that ordered the child home?
>
> How is that reunification going by the way?
Again all you do is show the corruption of the system you so devoutly continue to try and defend as a Gestapo CPS apologist, Delusional Dan.
If Jen is going to do as you suggest and assume they will just continue to kidnap as in the Gaston case then what reason does she have to ever bother
cooperating with them, Delusional Dan?
So again I ask you, do you think this makes you Jen's FRIEND, Delusional Dan?
Do you think this makes you a SUPPORTER of Jen and her family, Delusional Dan?
Interesting delusion you have there, Delusional Dan.
All it seems to do is continue to make you a Gestapo CPS apologist. It is abundantly clear who you support in this case.
<chuckle>
> > As such
> > why woud a rational and intelligent sane person think she would harm her kids?
>
> Because the stress of taking care of three children, a toddler and two
> infants might get someone back using drugs.
1) She is not taking care of them currently, she is only visiting.
2) Your anti-parent paranoia which is the same as that of Gestapo CPS you play apologist for is duly noted, Delusional Dan.
> > Then again rational, intelligent and sane rarely describes the typical Gestapo CPS goosestepper, does it?
>
> CPS knows the rate of failure is three times before the drug addict
> succeeds.
Oh really, Delusional Dan? In every case, huh?
And how, pray tell, is she going to introduce drugs to her kids in vitro again, hmmmm? Shove the little tykes back up inside her first?
<chuckle>
> > Or Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself apparently.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > That can't change?
> > >
> > > Didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
> > >
> > > "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
> >
> > Again you desperately attempt to misquote and misapply in your standard dishonest and delusional misrepresentative tactic, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > Never letting your guard down MOST ASSUREDLY DOES NOT mean be their doormat, allow them to swagger in their personal power trips or to violate your
> > rights or those of your family and children in any way, nor does it require you to kow tow to them... all of which you seem to presume it does.
> >
> > As usual, Delusional Dan, your assessments are grossly erroneous.
>
> You are wrong as usual, neal.
Again, Delusional Dan, you continue to claim such, have yet to substantiate such claims, and in fact only continue to prove me in fact RIGHT time after
time after time.
You have yet to figure out that just because you type 'wrong again' does not in any way disprove or discredit your target... especially considering how
disproven and discredited you have made yourself to date, and what a proven liar you have been clearly shown to be, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > AND,
> > >
> > > "do not forget... in the Gaston case the judge ordered all charges
> > > dismissed because every witness against the Gastons recanted their
> > > testimony, and the child Melissa was ordered returned ot her family
> > > immediately, and all Gestapo CPS did was turn around and refile the
> > > SAME DISMISSED CHARGES and Melissa
> > > has completely vanished... never produced or seen in years now."
> > >
> > > Are you taking stupid pills every day, neal?
> >
> > No, Delusional Dan, but clearly you are.
> >
> > They could do that whether Jen let them play their games or not.
> >
> > And in fact if she allowed herself to be continually victimized in this manner why would they want to give up their playtoy?
> >
> > But again your clear lack of comprehension and unbridled Gestapo CPS apologist attitude are duly noted, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > > Again, Delusional Dan, your desperate defense of their unreasonable anti-parent paranoia does not go unnoticed.
> > >
> > > No defense,
> >
> > And anyone who believes that lie can buy the lovely oceanfront property in Kansas I have for sale, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > I just want Jennifer to get her kids back.
> >
> > I seriously doubt that...
>
> You are delusioneal.
No, Delusional Dan. I am Neal.
YOU are delusional.
As has been clearly and conclusively proven many times.
You have clearly and conclusively proven, directly and indirectly, that you support Gestapo CPS as their admitted apologist, not Jen.
Again your fraudulently fabricated straw man is yours to defend, not mine, Delusional Dan.
Your question is based on no legitimate fact and clearly on nothing but your own delusional denial and dishonesty.
Thank you again for demonstrating this clearly.
Again, as stated, Jen's successes with Gestapo CPS only started when she dumped your Gestapo CPS apologist suggestions and instead decided to fight Gestapo
CPS as I suggested.
You continue to refuse to accept that reality, Delusional Dan... which is just one of the clearly legitimate justifications for your nickname.
> > > Time for you to take another stupid pill, neal?
> >
> > I do not do so, and never have, Delusional Dan, though I am sure you would love me to start to begin to get me down to your intellectual level.
> >
> > You are the one who apparently has the lifetime supply of them, popping them like theatre popcorn, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > Oh, BTW Delusional Dan, have you stopped raping six year old boys yet?
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > > Then they can have the kid's stomach pumped for no good reason and be found to be as extremely
> > > > erroneous and harmful as they have been clearly and conclusively proven to have been in the vast majority
> > > > of cases.
> > >
> > > And in the minority of cases the little kids die or OD.
> >
> > We are not speaking of statistics, Delusional Dan... but nice desperate attempt at evasion, obfuscation, dodge and dance and subject changing.
> >
> > We are speaking specifically of Jen's case.
>
> And we are speaking of the standard protection practices of CPS.
No, Delusional Dan, we are speaking of such applied specifically to Jen's case.
> Did you forget they still have custody?
For a very short time.
And that custody is only for certain reasons.... nowhere in the custody order does it apply to choosing or being able to deny the parent the ability to
give the kid a mint.
You can show in writing where this is the case, Delusional Dan? Hmmmm?
You sure seem to be claiming that this is the case... when are you going to substantiate your claim, hmmmmm?
<chuckle>
> > > FYI A while back a father during a supervised visitation AT CPS
> > > disappeared with his two year old. After a frantic search the father
> > > was found in a stall in the mens room raping his own child. But that
> > > would be the minority.
> > >
> > > Did I mention it was in Oregon?
> >
> > Again, Delusional Dan, this is not that case, this is Jen's case.
> >
> > Are you now accusing Jen publicly of wishing to rape her own child?
>
> You are delusioneal.
No, Delusional Dan. I am Neal.
YOU are delusional.
As has been clearly and conclusively proven many times.
It is duly noted that you did not deny what I asked you if you were dong, Delusional Dan.
Quite telling indeed!
<chuckle>
> > Sure seems that way from here, Delusional Dan. I think at the VERY least you owe Jen a significant apology.
>
> I think at the very least you should pucker up and give me a BIGGGGG
> kiss on my -ss.
Ah yes, Delusional Dan continues to lose it.. His obsession continues to be frustrated because of his own illegitimacy and he does not like it and cannot
deal with it so lashes out.
Typical... oh so typical.
<chuckle>
> > But your desperate attempt again to change the subject (something you seem to do all the time while dishonestly denying it and falsely accusing
> > others of doing so (projection on your part)) is duly noted, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > > > You should've thought a little longer.
> > > >
> > > > Why? It is their idiocy, she SHOULD rub their noses in it.
> > >
> > > That'll help.
> >
> > Yes it will, Delusional Dan, to let them know she will not tolerate their BS.
>
> You are delusioneal.
No, Delusional Dan. I am Neal.
YOU are delusional.
As has been clearly and conclusively proven many times.
Jen has demonstrated success in her dealings with Gestapo CPS only since jettisoning your admitted Gestapo CPS apologist BS and deciding to take my advice
and FIGHT against Gestapo CPS for her family.
Again this sticks in your craw... you cannot seem to accept it or deal with it.
Your problem, Delusional Dan... no one else's.
> > > Again, didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
> > >
> > > "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
> >
> > See above for detailed explanation of your clear lack of comprehension and inability to credibly assess statements, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > > Stupid pill again?
> >
> > You clearly took a handful just before posting, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > I think you're about to OD on them!
> >
> > No, Delusional Dan, that would be you.
> >
> > > How about a mouthful of castor oil?
> > >
> > > You ARE so full of sh-t, neal!
> >
> > Nowhere near as much as you clearly are, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > > > > "It's just a breath mint" would've been sufficient.
> > > >
> > > > Their minding their own damned business would have been sufficient, Delusional Dan.
> > >
> > > When CPS has custody of a particular child it IS their business.
> >
> > Not in this case, Delusional Dan.
>
> And why would THAT be???
As the facts have shown, Delusional Dan.
Or do you have evidence that Jen WOULD be attempting to drug her kid?
Are you accusing Jen of doing so, Delusional Dan?
Do you have the in writing documents which state that Jen is not allowed to give her kid a mint?
Hmmmmm?
<chuckle>
> > But again your desperate and devout Gestapo CPS apologist attitude is duly noted.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > You do know CPS doesn't want to lose custody of the kids, don't you,
> > > neal?
> >
> > And what does that have to do with Jen refusing to be a doormat and allowing this arrogant Gestapo CPS goosestepper to fly her personal power trip on
> > her and violate her rights and those of her family and children, Delusional Dan?
> >
> > > > But it is clearly apparent that to an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself this does not even
> > > > enter into your pea-sized (if THAT) 'mind'.
> > >
> > > Didn't you write to Jennifer a mere FOUR DAYS AGO,
> > >
> > > "Never let your guard down against these childstealers, Jen. Never."
> >
> > What is that? Six times you have misquoted me and demonstrated your clear and obvious ignorance of what I said, Delusional Dan?
> >
> > Where in my statement have I EVER advocated cowering in abject terror at every glance of Gestapo CPS, Delusional Dan? Hmmmmm?
>
> Who said that?
Who said what, Delusional Dan?
I was referring to the clear implication of your statements.
Show me with clear proof that I am wrong in such assessment, Delusional Dan.
Go ahead and try. It should be amusing.
<chuckle>
> > For that is what you are suggesting here, and clearly so.
> >
> > > > <chuckle>
> > > >
> > > > > > I too ate a handful. She never said another thing about what I brought for
> > > > > > him on our visits.
> > > > > > Well just had to get that off my chest.
> > > > > > HAPPY NEW YEAR ALL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
> > > > > > JEN
> > > > >
> > > > > It's very advantageous to think before you speak.
> > > >
> > > > It is also very advantageous to put these fascist and arrogant miscreants in their place.
> > >
> > > And get taken back to court, and have the judge reverse her decision,
> > > and THEN you can say, "I told you so?"
> >
> > And why would a judge do so, Delusional Dan, just because she stood up for herself and her child and her family, hmmmmm?
>
> Because it would demonstrate that Jennifer was focused on the wrong
> thing.
What does 'focussed on the wrong thing' mean in this context, Delusional Dan? Come on, be specific.
Parents are and should be focussed on a GREAT MANY things... and the protection and defense of their civil, human, constitutional, due process and parental
rights, and those of their children and family, should always be one of these things.
I realize an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist such as yourself has a hard time dealing with this, Delusional Dan, but that is your problem.
<chuckle>
> > Isn't that what parents are SUPPOSED to do?
> >
> > If Gestapo CPS tried to do so it would be simplicity itself to show their arrogance and unreason for what it is.
> >
> > Remember, Gestapo CPS was shut down HARD by this judge on pretty much every point.
>
> That's what YOU think?
That is what I know, Delusional Dan.
Reread the post regarding the hearing by Jen which began this thread.
> The last time one of my friends had a judge rule in their favor over a
> CPS decision in Family Court the county attny filed a motion in a
> higher court and got a stay on the judges ruling and the whole thing
> was dragged out another year.
They can always try, but in a case such as this where there is clearly no legitimacy to such action it would be highly unlikely.
But again your desperate attempts to undermine Jen are duly noted as coming from an admitted Gestapo CPS apologist, and one who has been thoroughly
disproven and discredited and shown to be delusional and a proven liar, Delusional Dan.
Thank you for playing though...
<chuckle>
> But, hey, it's not your kids. No sweat off your back!
I can reflect your words right back at you, Delusional Dan.
And also add that why should you care? You are not a custodial parent and never have been. At best you lived with the custodial parent of your children
and were subsequently found to be inadequate as a parent which is why you never had custody yourself.
I guess this is why you so desperately seek to undermine the custody of other parents who DO have custody of their children.
Sure seems that way, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> >In this case the judge is NOT their friend.
>
> Dream on, zipperhead.
Yeah, Delusional Dan, right... he is so much their friend that he pasted them in the hearing.
Yup.
But then again since you continue to delude yourself that you are Jen's friend and considering the actions of statements you have made against her in this
thread, it is believable you delude yourself into thinking this judge's actions in that hearing show him to be Gestapo CPS' friend in this case.
<chuckle>
> > They clearly
> > overstepped and it is THEY, not she, who should be walking on thin ice.
>
> CPS didn't overstep and the judge decided which path to take,
> reunification NOT TPR.
Actually Gestapo CPS clearly did overstep... and was shut down for it.
They wanted TPR and were denied.
They wanted many months of transition and were denied.
> CPS should be walking on thin ice?
Yup, in this case, if they do not wanta contempt citation.
> You are delusioneal.
No, Delusional Dan. I am Neal.
YOU are delusional.
As has been clearly and conclusively proven many times.
> > But again your advocacy that people just allow Gestapo CPS to do whatever they want is duly noted for the standard Gestapo CPS apologist screed you
> > always seem to exude, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > Sorry neal, Jennifer's going to think a little MORE before she blows
> > > the reunification.
> > >
> > > Is that OK by you, zipperhead?
> >
> > What SHE decides to do is fine by me, Delusional Dan.
>
> Like clean up, go to parenting classes, straighten out her life?
>
> GOOD! That's the only intelligent thing you have said so far about
> this case.
AND fight Gestapo CPS at every opportunity, Delusional Dan, as she has done and which has caused her case to turn completely around, making her victor
instead of victim, since she dumped your Gestapo CPS apologist advice to just be a good little drone and be led around by Gestapo CPS' nose ring to
whatever they want (in this case TPR).
> > And she stopped listening to you a great deal apparently when your completely and total ignorance of the Oregon system and telling her to just go
> > along with whatever Gestapo CPS wanted (which turned out to be TPR and adopting out her kids) was exposed for the ludicrously Gestapo CPS apologist
> > nonsense that it was.
> >
> > She decided to FIGHT Gestapo CPS, stand up for herself, her family and her children, and from that day (of victimhood) to this day of near total
> > victory she has benefitted the FURTHER away from your Gestapo CPS apologist advice she has gone.
>
> You are delusioneal.
No, Delusional Dan. I am Neal.
YOU are delusional.
As has been clearly and conclusively proven many times.
What I stated above are the facts, Delusional Dan.
The absolute absence of any credible and legitimate disproof presented by you to show any of it to be in error is duly noted, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > > > > Staying calm doesn't give CPS the chance to document that you went out
> > > > > of control, but a flippant answer won't help your cause either.
> > > >
> > > > Since when is flippancy in the face of gross unreason such as Gestapo CPS routinely presents a crime,
> > > > Delusional Dan?
> > >
> > > Not a crime, but possibly a reason for CPS to ask the judge for a
> > > reversal of her earlier decision.
> >
> > Oh, Delusional Dan? On what legitimate grounds would that be? Standing up to the victimizers of her children, her family and herself? WOW! What
> > an unparentlike aspect! Have to stamp that out NOW, huh Delusional Dan?
>
> Wrong frame of mind.
No, Delusional Dan, absolutely correct frame of mind.
You have yet to show otherwise.
But how typical of a Gestapo CPS apologist to pick up one of the standards of Gestapo CPS... that anyone who stands up for the civil, human,
constitutional, due process and parental rights of their kids, their family and themselves is a 'bad parent'.
For as we all know and as been clearly and conclusively proven Gestapo CPS and its apologists consider such rights to be their most dire enemies, since
they are the antithesis of everything Gestapo CPS stands for and are the constant impediments to their agenda.
Your lies and misrepresentations you continue to repeat here are duly noted as such and have been proven to be such time after time, Delusional Dan.
My being in their corrupt, disproven and discredited registry only further shows the illegitimacy of that registry since no one has ever produced or
presented credible and legitimate evidence I have ever abused or neglected my children, Delusional Dan.
And your misrepresentation regarding custody again is shown to be fraudulent, Delusional Dan. Custody was removed for only 10 days, and barring
bureaucratic delays it was less than a day and wholly unjustified on their part. What you refer to is GESTAPO CPS's failure to do as they were supposed to
do in returning full custody to me at the time of my children's return, AND their selfserving concealment of that fact. In fact they never exercised any
involvement in my family subsequent to the date of my children's return, and in fact I did a great many things I would not have been able to do without
full legal custody.
But how typical of you to take a bureaucratic (and criminal as it is contempt of court) error on Gestapo CPS' part and attempt to desperately misapply it
as an attack against me, Delusional Dan.
No surprise at all coming from you, Delusional Dan.
But of course never forget that you have never had custody of your own kids due to your inadequacy as a parent, Delusional Dan. You at best can be said to
have lived with the children's custodian.
And of course there was that sexual abuse charge against you regarding the kids, eh?
So Delusional Dan, have you stopped raping six year old boys yet?
Hmmmmmm?
<chuckle>
> > I am a practicing parent, Delusional Dan... you are at best a bystander who was shown to NOT be in the best interests of his children.
> >
> > And I know these facts stick in your craw, Delusional Dan. GOOD.
> >
> > > Or should she be EXTREMELY careful as I want her to be and get the
> > > kids home with her, AND IN HER CUSTODY!!!
> >
> > You are not required to walk on eggshells with these clowns.
>
> That's good advice when they have custody of someone elses kids!
I did not walk on eggshells when they had custody of my own, Delusional Dan. I fought for them and I won.
I had custody before, and I had custody since, and I continue to have custody of my kids, Delusional Dan.
You, on the other hand, have never had custody of your own kids. Clearly because it is not in the best interests of those children to be in the custody of
someone with your apparently severe mental issues, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > Do you think I do?
>
> Who cares what you do?
>
> Oregon CPS laughs everytime they see you or hear your name.
Yeah, Delusional Dan... which is of course why any time they see me coming in a hallway or outside a courtroom they scurry away in terror.
You continue to demonstrate how much you abuse yourself of your delusions, Delusional Dan, how much you believe your own lies, and how your view of the
world is so clearly 180 degrees out of phase with reality.
<chuckle>
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
> Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C341696...@attbi.com>...
> > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > Ric Werme <we...@mediaone.net> wrote in message news:<wYOY7.12178$zX1.10...@typhoon.ne.mediaone.net>...
> > > > dsul...@optonline.net (Dan Sullivan) writes:
> > > >
> > > > >And Jennifer gets her kids back!!!
> >
> > > > >What a happy ending.
> > > >
> > > > "It's not over until its over."
> > > > "Don't count your chickens until they hatch."
> > >
> > > So you're concerned she might start listening to neal too.
> >
> > No, that she might start listening to an admited Gestapo CPS apologist like YOU, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > > Unless Jennifer starts to do what neal is advising her to do ( be
> > > confrontational with CPS) the chances are her kids will come home.
> >
> > Yeah, right Delusional Dan.
> >
> > The ONLY reason they ARE coming home is that she decided finally to BECOME 'confrontational' with Gestapo CPS.
>
> You are wrong as usual neal.
Again Delusional Dan you continue to abuse yourself of your delusion that to disprove a proven point against you all
you need to do is type 'wrong again'.
<chuckle>
> Jennifer sold the reunification idea to the judge with her letter.
Yeah, which was so supportive of Gestapo CPS who you are an admitted apologist for, eh Delusional Dan?
The letter was just SO SUPPORTIVE of everything Gestapo CPS wanted, eh?
ROTFLU!
> > > This IS the time for Jennifer to realize she's walking on eggshells.
> >
> > SHE was not the one who got slammed down in that review hearing... it was Gestapo CPS.
> >
> > > This is not the time for Jennifer to have the attitude that she can't lose.
> >
> > Who said she should have such an attitude? However she should ALSO not have an attitude of someone living in
> > abject terror as you would have her do apparently, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > > Her mindset for ALL contacts with CPS should be reunification, bonding
> > > and counseling.
> >
> > And Gestapo CPS goosesteppers are getting in the way of that and should be put in their place, as she did.
>
> She never did that.
Actually she most assuredly did.
> And it would be a mistake if she started now.
Again, Delusional Dan, you just cannot accept being proven wrong.
You make this abundantly clear.
No matter how many times you have been clearly and conclusively proven wrong you continue to refuse to recognize,
comprehend, accept or admit any of it.
Your entire defense is in your deep delusional denial and dishonesty.
You continue to prove this time after time after time, Delusional Dan.
And that is just one of the reasons you have been so completely disproven and discredited here.
Better luck next time, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > I commend her for it.
> >
> > You, on the other hand, equate and compare her to people who would rape or kill their own kids.
>
> You are delusioneal.
No, Delusional Dan, I am Neal.
YOU are the one who is the proven delusional.
The fact is that you did exactly as I stated above.
Your absolute lack of any proof to the contrary presented by you is duly noted, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> > I wonder who has Jen's best interests at heart here, Delusional Dan?
> >
> > Clearly it is not you.
> >
> > <chuckle>
> >
> > > I think she knows that now.
> > >
> > > It's too bad neal can't keep his mouth shut and let Jennifer have her
> > > kids come home.
> >
> > I merely congratulated her on her win and her actions... YOU are the one who berated her for it,
>
> Where?
This entire thread, Delusional Dan.
> > attacked anyone else who supported her in her actions,
>
> I supported her in her actions and you said what she was doing was
> wrong and she was going to end up in a TPR hearing.
I said her capitulating with Gestapo CPS and following YOUR admitted Gestapo CPS apologist advice of just doing
whatever they said and going along with whatever they wanted was wrong.
In that I was completely right, Delusional Dan.
YOU claimed doing so would lead to her kids being returned, when in fact it was clearly shown it would have only led
to TPR.
Her situation ONLY turned around when she adopted the mindset to FIGHT Gestapo CPS instead of 'just getting along'
with them as you advocated in all your admitted Gestapo CPS apologist glory, Delusional Dan.
Again you refuse to face these facts, Delusional Dan, but your deep delusional denial and dishonesty regarding them
does not alter them in any way whatever.
Deal with it, if you can.
If you can't... tough.
<chuckle>
> > and compared and equated her with parents who would kill and
> > rape their own kids.
>
> Only in your delusional state.
No, Delusional Dan, in your own text in your own posts as I pointed out in this very thread.
Better luck next time, Delusional Dan.
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
> Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C341123...@attbi.com>...
>
> > No, Delusional Dan. At every turn I have been proven entirely accurate and correct in what I have said about you
> > and your BS here. You denied up and down for months that you were the Gestapo CPS apologist I had clearly and
> > conclusively proven you to be. Finally you admitted I was right.
>
> A CPS apologist STRICTLY for you pooky!!!!!
>
> No one else. And you know that.
Sorry, Delusional Dan, but you cannot be a Gestapo CPS apologist only for me any more than a woman can be sorta
pregnant.
You are, or you are not.
And the statements you have made in sycophantic defense of Gestapo CPS in this thread prove beyond any reasonable doubt
that you are in fact a Gestapo CPS apologist as you have ADMITTED you are, Delusional Dan.
Better luck next time, Delusional Dan, but thank you for playing.
Neal Feldman
Jennifer wrote:
Not entirely sure... I presumed it to be something of a nntp newsserver burp.
Pretty much ignorable... unless it continues or reposts it every 3 seconds for a couple weeks... 9-)
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
Interesting, Delusional Dan... you claim it cannot be said better, yet you
claim she WILL fail to dump the drugs THREE TIMES.
You claimed it is a KNOWN FACT that this is an ABSOLUTE without ever a single
exception.
Quite inconsistent with yourself as well as with reality you continue to
prove yourself to be, eh Delusional Dan?
<chuckle>
Ron
Jen, I am stunned.
For someone with such limited experience with the system (you may feel
that you have extensive experience, but keep reading) you have hit
more nails on the head than I have EVER seen from a bio parent in my
10+ years as a foster parent.
In that simple yet prophetic post you have laid open 90% or more of
the issues we discuss here and exposed them to the light of day. Dan
and kneal can go back and forth all month long and never really get
anywhere. But you, in your somewhat simple style, have written what I
believe is the single most insightful post to this news group in a
VERY long time.
My most profound thanks madam, and my very best wishes for you and
your family. I wish all the bio parents I deal with were more like
you, there would be fewer children needing my family's services.
Ron
Jennifer
Hi Ron,
And thank you, for being a foster parent. I just feel that they dont
always get the credit they deserve. Granted, there are some scary
statistics reguarding abuse in foster familys, but those are the only
stories we seem to hear about. Never about the ones that are
wonderful. I guess you could say that I am a wishy washy person,
because I can always argue for either side, I am very liberal like
that, but I am just speaking from my own experiences, and the foster
parents in my case are wonderful. They opened up their home to love
and nuture my twins, as I was not in the right frame of mind like I
should have been. But they have supported me in getting them back, but
loved them like their own. God Bless Them. And You Too Ron.
Jen
Neal Feldman
Jennifer wrote:
Actually Jen keep in mind that MoRon Mitty has never substantiated his claims of being or ever having been a foster parent,
and has raised serious doubts as to the veracity of such claims on his part.
Also keep in mind that MoRon Mitty is one of the most devout Gestapo CPS apologists on these newsgroups currently, going to
ridiculous lengths of delusional denial and dishonesty in so doing, including proving himself completely inept in english and
mathematics skills.
> Granted, there are some scary
> statistics reguarding abuse in foster familys, but those are the only
> stories we seem to hear about. Never about the ones that are
> wonderful.
The statistics include all of them, Jen.
> I guess you could say that I am a wishy washy person,
> because I can always argue for either side, I am very liberal like
> that, but I am just speaking from my own experiences, and the foster
> parents in my case are wonderful. They opened up their home to love
> and nuture my twins, as I was not in the right frame of mind like I
> should have been. But they have supported me in getting them back, but
> loved them like their own. God Bless Them. And You Too Ron.
> Jen
Luckily you got some good ones... MoRon Mitty has proven clearly and conclusively that he is not such as they if he even is a
foster parent at all... a claim he has yet to substantiate.
Basically he, like Selfrighteous Sue, have stated outright they pretty much have never met a parent they liked and that all
parents are the scum of the earth as far as they are concerned.
Dan Sullivan
> Hi Ron,
> And thank you, for being a foster parent. I just feel that they dont
> always get the credit they deserve. Granted, there are some scary
> statistics reguarding abuse in foster familys, but those are the only
> stories we seem to hear about. Never about the ones that are
> wonderful. I guess you could say that I am a wishy washy person,
> because I can always argue for either side, I am very liberal like
> that, but I am just speaking from my own experiences, and the foster
> parents in my case are wonderful. They opened up their home to love
> and nuture my twins, as I was not in the right frame of mind like I
> should have been. But they have supported me in getting them back, but
> loved them like their own. God Bless Them. And You Too Ron.
> Jen
Someone call neal an ambulance.
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
Why, Delusional Dan?
Because Jen apparently has no idea who she is talking to?
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> > Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C341123...@attbi.com>...
> >
> > > No, Delusional Dan. At every turn I have been proven entirely accurate and correct in what I have said about you
> > > and your BS here. You denied up and down for months that you were the Gestapo CPS apologist I had clearly and
> > > conclusively proven you to be. Finally you admitted I was right.
> >
> > A CPS apologist STRICTLY for you pooky!!!!!
> >
> > No one else. And you know that.
>
> Sorry, Delusional Dan, but you cannot be a Gestapo CPS apologist only for me any more than a woman can be sorta
> pregnant.
>
> You are, or you are not.
I CAN be a CPS apologist STRICTLY for you, pooky! Yes I can! You
wanted me to be one so your wish is my command.
You deserve ALL my attention in that area. You need to learn that you
are a child abuser. You need to learn that shame should come from
treating your little girls that badly. You need to find a conscience.
You need to develope one. Grow one. You've gotta get one someplace.
How can your girls grow up thinking that a man can do all the horrible
things you did and not realize how bad those things are. You can't do
that to them. They deserve better. It takes a conscience. What kind of
man do you think those girls are going to look for? You want them to
date someone freshly released from prison? That's what they'll be
looking for unless you start to become human real soon. How much time
do you have left to start doing things right? Not much. The clock is
ticking.
> And the statements you have made in sycophantic defense of Gestapo CPS in this thread prove beyond any reasonable doubt
> that you are in fact a Gestapo CPS apologist as you have ADMITTED you are, Delusional Dan.
Oh, yes I am neal, but STRICTLY for you, pooky.
You are the one and only Grand Master Child Abuser and I am here to
tell you that you have my undivided attention in this matter, and this
will last as long as you wear the crown.
But if you decide to get some counseling, check out consciences on
E-Bay, maybe find a small one at a yard sale, generally turn over a
completely new leaf, maybe I can resign. But until then, it's me and
you bunky!
> Better luck next time, Delusional Dan, but thank you for playing.
Always my pleasure, and you know that's true.
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
> Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C35D5F1...@attbi.com>...
> > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C341123...@attbi.com>...
> > >
> > > > No, Delusional Dan. At every turn I have been proven entirely accurate and correct in what I have said about you
> > > > and your BS here. You denied up and down for months that you were the Gestapo CPS apologist I had clearly and
> > > > conclusively proven you to be. Finally you admitted I was right.
> > >
> > > A CPS apologist STRICTLY for you pooky!!!!!
> > >
> > > No one else. And you know that.
> >
> > Sorry, Delusional Dan, but you cannot be a Gestapo CPS apologist only for me any more than a woman can be sorta
> > pregnant.
> >
> > You are, or you are not.
>
> I CAN be a CPS apologist STRICTLY for you, pooky! Yes I can!
How like the petulant child when pointed out he cannot have it both ways.
"Yes I can! Yes I can!" when in fact as clearly and conclusively proven it does not work that way.
> You wanted me to be one so your wish is my command.
Your delusion is duly noted, Delusional Dan.
I merely pointed out what you were... neither wanting nor not wanting, merely observing.
You proved yourself to be a Gestapo CPS apologist, Delusional Dan... you and you alone.
I merely pointed it out.
Deal with it, if you can. If you can't? Tough.
<chuckle>
> You deserve ALL my attention in that area.
Your obsession is duly noted, Delusional Dan.
> You need to learn that you are a child abuser.
Since there is absolutely no evidence supporting your ludicrous contention here, Delusional Dan, why in the world should I or
anyone else need to join you in your delusional fantasyland of lies and misrepresentations?
Hmmmmm?
<chuckle>
<Longwinded irrational raving of Delusional Dan deleted>
> > And the statements you have made in sycophantic defense of Gestapo CPS in this thread prove beyond any reasonable doubt
> > that you are in fact a Gestapo CPS apologist as you have ADMITTED you are, Delusional Dan.
>
> Oh, yes I am neal, but STRICTLY for you, pooky.
Ah yes, the girl who claims she can be 'sorta pregnant'.
Keep up the delusional raving, Delusional Dan. Believe your own lies.
No one with any credibility or legitimacy does.
<chuckle>
> You are the one and only Grand Master Child Abuser and I am here to
> tell you that you have my undivided attention in this matter , and this will last as long as you wear the crown.
Your delusions again are duly noted, as well as your unsubstantiated false allegations, Delusional Dan.
Not only do you falsely accuse me of being a child abuser absolutely without any evidence whatever, but you now claim I am
the worst child abuser on the planet (How else is one to take 'Grand Master Child Abuser', Delusional Dan?).
You are so clearly losing it, Delusional Dan.
A mind falling apart, even one as offensive and sick as yours, is really a sad thing... I would pity you if you were not so
pathetic, feeble, impotent and worthless, Delusional Dan.
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> > Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C35D5F1...@attbi.com>...
> > > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> > >
> > > > Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C341123...@attbi.com>...
> > > >
> > > > > No, Delusional Dan. At every turn I have been proven entirely accurate and correct in what I have said about you
> > > > > and your BS here. You denied up and down for months that you were the Gestapo CPS apologist I had clearly and
> > > > > conclusively proven you to be. Finally you admitted I was right.
> > > >
> > > > A CPS apologist STRICTLY for you pooky!!!!!
> > > >
> > > > No one else. And you know that.
> > >
> > > Sorry, Delusional Dan, but you cannot be a Gestapo CPS apologist only for me any more than a woman can be sorta
> > > pregnant.
> > >
> > > You are, or you are not.
> >
> > I CAN be a CPS apologist STRICTLY for you, pooky! Yes I can!
>
> How like the petulant child when pointed out he cannot have it both ways.
Yes I can! Yes I can! Say it with me neal!
> "Yes I can! Yes I can!"
Good boy.
> > You wanted me to be one so your wish is my command.
>
> Your delusion is duly noted, Delusional Dan.
>
> I merely pointed out what you were... neither wanting nor not wanting, merely observing.
No you wanted, so you've got it. Remember the saying "Be careful what
you wish for, you might get it?"
Well surprise! It's me!!!!!
> You proved yourself to be a Gestapo CPS apologist, Delusional Dan... you and you alone.
ONLY FOR YOU, POOKY!
> > You deserve ALL my attention in that area. You need to learn that you
> > are a child abuser. You need to learn that shame should come from
> > treating your little girls that badly. You need to find a conscience.
> > You need to develope one. Grow one. You've gotta get one someplace.
> > How can your girls grow up thinking that a man can do all the horrible
> > things you did and not realize how bad those things are. You can't do
> > that to them. They deserve better. It takes a conscience. What kind of
> > man do you think those girls are going to look for? You want them to
> > date someone freshly released from prison? That's what they'll be
> > looking for unless you start to become human real soon. How much time
> > do you have left to start doing things right? Not much. The clock is
> > ticking.
>
> YES, YES, I know I am a child abuser, I just can't help myself. My own
> father beat the crap out of me. It's what I was brought up with. HELP ME,
> HELP ME PLEASE. Find me a counselor before I do any more harm!
>
> > > And the statements you have made in sycophantic defense of Gestapo CPS in this thread prove beyond any reasonable doubt
> > > that you are in fact a Gestapo CPS apologist as you have ADMITTED you are, Delusional Dan.
> >
> > Oh, yes I am neal, but STRICTLY for you, pooky.
>
> Thank you, thank you so much. You don't know how hard it's been for me.
>
> > You are the one and only Grand Master Child Abuser and I am here to
> > tell you that you have my undivided attention in this matter , and this will last as long as you wear the crown.
>
You know neal you've just got a defective mind, and even one as
offensive and sick as yours, is really a sad thing... I would pity you
if you were not so
pathetic, feeble, impotent and worthless.
But I'll help you anyway, it's the least I can do.
Hey everybody! Lets hear it for neal! He's on the first step to
recovery, he admits he abused his little girls. ; )
Dan Sullivan
> Dan Sullivan wrote:
>
> > BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote
> >
> > > Hi Ron,
> > > And thank you, for being a foster parent. I just feel that they dont
> > > always get the credit they deserve. Granted, there are some scary
> > > statistics reguarding abuse in foster familys, but those are the only
> > > stories we seem to hear about. Never about the ones that are
> > > wonderful. I guess you could say that I am a wishy washy person,
> > > because I can always argue for either side, I am very liberal like
> > > that, but I am just speaking from my own experiences, and the foster
> > > parents in my case are wonderful. They opened up their home to love
> > > and nuture my twins, as I was not in the right frame of mind like I
> > > should have been. But they have supported me in getting them back, but
> > > loved them like their own. God Bless Them. And You Too Ron.
> > > Jen
> >
> > Someone call neal an ambulance.
>
> Why, Delusional Dan?
>
> Because Jen apparently has no idea who she is talking to?
Jennifer didn't pick Ron's name out of a hat. She's been on the news
groups enough to know who Ron is and what he does. She can even
appreciate a good foster parent when she meets one. If you aren't
happy about who Jennifer writes to that's your problem, but don't be
so presumptuous to tell Jennifer she doesn't know who she's talking
to. She's an intelligent woman and she knows who to talk to, and who
to ignore. She also knows that when her name shows up on a message
with someone elses internet address it's time to pull the plug.
Or was that a burp I heard?
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
> Neal Feldman <silve...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C368F03...@attbi.com>...
> > Dan Sullivan wrote:
> >
> > > BUCK...@MSN.COM (Jennifer) wrote
> > >
> > > > Hi Ron,
> > > > And thank you, for being a foster parent. I just feel that they dont
> > > > always get the credit they deserve. Granted, there are some scary
> > > > statistics reguarding abuse in foster familys, but those are the only
> > > > stories we seem to hear about. Never about the ones that are
> > > > wonderful. I guess you could say that I am a wishy washy person,
> > > > because I can always argue for either side, I am very liberal like
> > > > that, but I am just speaking from my own experiences, and the foster
> > > > parents in my case are wonderful. They opened up their home to love
> > > > and nuture my twins, as I was not in the right frame of mind like I
> > > > should have been. But they have supported me in getting them back, but
> > > > loved them like their own. God Bless Them. And You Too Ron.
> > > > Jen
> > >
> > > Someone call neal an ambulance.
> >
> > Why, Delusional Dan?
> >
> > Because Jen apparently has no idea who she is talking to?
>
> Jennifer didn't pick Ron's name out of a hat. She's been on the news
> groups enough to know who Ron is and what he does.
Sorry, Delusional Dan, but all she did was respond to his post praising her.
No one KNOWS what MoRon Mitty 'does' for he has yet to substantiate his claims of such,
Delusional Dan. He CLAIMS to be a foster parent or maybe having been one, but he makes
colossally stupid statements no foster would ever make as stated by Stephanie, a foster parent
with credibility. He CLAIMS to be a manager of a credit card security department of a Fortune
500 company yet makes statements and demands NO ONE in such a position would ever make.
And he has yet to meet the simple and easy verification to substantiate either claim. Would
take no effort at all on his part, clearly far less effort than he exhibits in his evasions,
obfuscations and dodge/dance routine.
IOW he has absolutely no credibility at all for his claims, also having been clearly and
conclusively proven to be completely inept in english and math skills, deeply delusional and an
even more often proven liar in the newsgroups than you are, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
> She can even
> appreciate a good foster parent when she meets one. If you aren't
> happy about who Jennifer writes to that's your problem, but don't be
> so presumptuous to tell Jennifer she doesn't know who she's talking
> to. She's an intelligent woman and she knows who to talk to, and who
> to ignore.
Well, all I can say is all that is known of MoRon Mitty if Jen gives him any credibility or
legitimacy at all she goes down lightyears in my estimation of her.
As you say, she is entitled to her opinion, as I am to mine.
Mine simply happens to be based on the facts and evidence.
<The rest of Delusional Dan's dishonesty, delusion and braying idiocy mercifully snipped.>
Dan Sullivan
Well neal, let's look at the evidence about you.
You claimed that your "red pepper" punishment for your children WAS
NOT child abuse, and all we've seen is posts about people getting
"founded" by CPS for it (one actually was from you) and people getting
arrested for it.
You claimed that a poll was taken and that 67% of the people polled
supported using implements to spank infants, and then you could NEVER
post the poll or even name it.
You claimed to be an expert in the insurance business because your
father was in it and you were brought into the business by your
father, yet your own insurance company came within a hair of having
you arrested for fraud. You couldn't even collect on your own
insurance claim.
You claimed that your children got head lice from their mother's
house, when you wrote on your own website, they got the lice at their
school.
You claim that the agreement that you signed with CPS to get your kids
out of foster care was a "say-nothing" agreement, but you won't post
the agreement on your website. It couldn't hurt anybody but CPS IF
WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE! If what you say isn't true we then can
understand why you fail to post it.
You claim that there was no reason you should've known about CPS
keeping legal custody of your children for two extra years, but you
really should've expected it because CPS, as you claimed, screwed up
everything in your case right from the start and that's how they do
things.
I'll add more after you respond? to these.
Neal Feldman
Dan Sullivan wrote:
Does not change the fact, Delusional Dan. A court has ruled it is not.
Common sense says it is not.
Just because the insane anti-parent nutjobs in pursuit of the agenda of their extremist political
ideology masquerading as 'science' called 'social work' call it something means absolutely nothing.
They call a couple dirty dishes in the kitchen sink 'neglect' and try desperately to even call
legitimate spanking 'child abuse' but are frustrated constantly that the laws in every state of the
union continue to thwart them.
> You claimed that a poll was taken and that 67% of the people polled
> supported using implements to spank infants, and then you could NEVER
> post the poll or even name it.
Again, you are lying, Delusional Dan. I stated that 67% supported a parent's right to spank
including spanking infants and including the use of implements. I never specifically stated that 67%
supported spanking infants with implements. That was YOUR hystrionic inferrence, Delusional Dan...
one which you clearly have YET to let go of in your pathetic, feeble and impotent imitation of a
mindless pit bull puppy with lockjaw.
<chuckle>
You have yet to prove that poll does not exist, Delusional Dan. All you have is that I have said I
cannot formally cite it. Hardly the same thing.
<chuckle>
> You claimed to be an expert in the insurance business because your
> father was in it
Actually I claimed to know a great deal about it... I never claimed to be 'an expert'. Another lie
on your part, Delusional Dan.
> and you were brought into the business by your father,
As I was. Did not like it much so I left.
> yet your own insurance company came within a hair of having
> you arrested for fraud.
Excuse me? Where did they even CONSIDER charges of fraud, Delusional Dan, much less come within a
hair of anything?
All they did was fabricate a selfserving fantasy so that THEY could defraud, so that THEY could
breach a contract, knowing that it would be unlikely for me to be able to get an attorney to go up
against the powerhouse law firm they had set up.
On the facts they are dead in the water for they have NOTHING to substantiate their claims of such.
I had a list of folks who would testify that everything I said was the truth, and they did not even
bother to interview any of them at all.
They tried three or four different times to shake my statements and story and they never managed to
at all... what they wound up doing was taking two different answers to two different questions (which
is why the answers were different) and dishonestly claim that they were answers to the SAME question
which their OWN transcripts of their interview with me clearly show was not the case.
But again your lies are duly noted as such, Delusional Dan.
> You couldn't even collect on your own insurance claim.
I have collected on many insurance claims, Delusional Dan. However insurance companies while they
try and streamline the small claims, under $10,000 for example, on larger claims go out of their way
to deny a claim if they think they can get away with it. Since I did not have videotapes of the
items stolen they felt they could get away with it, and threw the dice... they had reason to believe,
since most of what I had of value at the time had just been stolen, that I would not be able to pay
for a lawyer to sue them...
They were correct.
How nice to see how you defend such practices in the insurance industry, Delusional Dan.
I think it demonstrates a GREAT DEAL about your complete lack of character.
But then again anyone following your dishonest, delusional, ignorant, idiotic and obsessive screeds
against me and in promotion of your Gestapo CPS apologist agenda already pretty much know this about
you, Delusional Dan.
As does, now, anyone else reading this.
> You claimed that your children got head lice from their mother's
> house, when you wrote on your own website, they got the lice at their
> school.
Actually, Delusional Dan, you have your BS backwards. On the website, the correct information, it is
correctly stated they got that incidence of lice from their visit to their mother's home. Most of
their incidences of lice did in fact come from their school, but not this one. I made a misstatement
and I corrected it as soon as such was pointed out (something you have yet to ever demonstrate doing,
Delusional Dan... accept your misstatements, correct them, and adjust accordingly).
So apparently Delusional Dan seems to think that making any kind of misstatement, even when it is
immediately admitted as such once pointed out and corrected, as being some badge of dishonor....
Isn't that rich? He, someone whose proven lies in this newsgroup are LEGION, desperately attempts to
take an honest misstatement which was immediately accepted, admitted and corrected, to be a LIE.
This is just one of his many dishonest practices.
<chuckle>
> You claim that the agreement that you signed with CPS to get your kids
> out of foster care was a "say-nothing" agreement, but you won't post
> the agreement on your website.
I have no reason to do so, Delusional Dan.
Your baiting is duly noted. Duly noted as well is your reason for the baiting... you know you made a
claim you know you cannot hope to possibly substantiate... so you desperately try and bait me into
posting something I have no reason to post.
You are already disproven and discredited, Delusional Dan. You made a claim which was entirely
unsubstantiated by you and which you still have yet to substantiate, and all you can do in your
frustration induced rage is just try and bait and bait and bait again.
Sorry, Delusiona Dan, not gonna take your bait... and I will just continue to point out these facts
about you each time you try.
<chuckle>
> It couldn't hurt anybody but CPS IF
> WHAT YOU SAY IS TRUE! If what you say isn't true we then can
> understand why you fail to post it.
Why would it hurt them, Delusional Dan?
Sorry but your BS is showing, as usual, Delusional Dan. It is only YOU who desperately want me to
post it so you can try and misrepresent, misconstrue, misquote, and twist anything in it you might
find.
You have not only given me zero reason to cater to your demand, Delusional Dan, but the reasons you
have given me to tell you to stuff it, as i have, are legion indeed.
Stew in your own obsessed frustration, Delusional Dan. I take great amusement from watching you do
so.
<chuckle>
> You claim that there was no reason you should've known about CPS
> keeping legal custody of your children for two extra years, but you
> really should've expected it because CPS, as you claimed, screwed up
> everything in your case right from the start and that's how they do
> things.
Sorry, Delusional Dan, but when the papers state full custody is restored and that is what the
agreement was in the meeting room of my Attorney's offices, and there was no reason to believe they
would screw it up since as was proven it was in no way in their interests to do so. (they exercised
no involvement at all, no control at all, did not profit from it at all and in fact the fact of the
matter was not even on the record... it was buried so deeply because they did not want to go before
the judge in the case that it was only discovered by a detailed audit of the books of the court....
they found a case which was supposed to have been closed but which the final papers had not been
filed by Gestapo CPS to do so and they got reamed from the bench for it)
So we have where I was returned my children, papers were given which stated that Gestapo CPS was no
longer involved in my family in any way, everything closed, and so on... and yet I am supposed to
continue to operate as if none of this happened?
That is the line of irrationality you are arguing for, Delusional Dan.... that no matter what, no
matter how much the facts say one thing, I am to ONLY operate as if reality is not reality.
Sorry, Delusional Dan, but delusional denial is your bailiwick, not mine. I choose not to work your
side of the street in this regard.
<chuckle>
> I'll add more after you respond? to these.
You continue to show nothing against me, Delusional Dan, but volumes against yourself, in each and
every one of these moronic bleatings of yours....
So you just continue right along... not like your credibility or legitimacy could possibly be reduced
much more than you already have done, Delusional Dan.
<chuckle>
Dan Sullivan
> > Well neal, let's look at the evidence about you.
> >
> > You claimed that your "red pepper" punishment for your children WAS
> > NOT child abuse, and all we've seen is posts about people getting
> > "founded" by CPS for it (one actually was from you) and people getting
> > arrested for it.
>
> Does not change the fact, Delusional Dan. A court has ruled it is not.
But you have no evidence of that. No one here has seen it.
> Common sense says it is not.
All we've seen is evidence that people are being founde for child
abuse if they do it, and are being arrested for it.
Are you referring to YOUR common sense?
> Just because the insane anti-parent nutjobs in pursuit of the agenda of their extremist political
> ideology masquerading as 'science' called 'social work' call it something means absolutely nothing.
How about the police and the prosecutors and the judges and the
legislature?
> They call a couple dirty dishes in the kitchen sink 'neglect' and try desperately to even call
> legitimate spanking 'child abuse' but are frustrated constantly that the laws in every state of the
> union continue to thwart them.
Working on a major straw man are we?
> > You claimed that a poll was taken and that 67% of the people polled
> > supported using implements to spank infants, and then you could NEVER
> > post the poll or even name it.
>
> Again, you are lying, Delusional Dan. I stated that 67% supported a parent's right to spank
> including spanking infants and including the use of implements. I never specifically stated that 67%
> supported spanking infants with implements. That was YOUR hystrionic inferrence, Delusional Dan...
> one which you clearly have YET to let go of in your pathetic, feeble and impotent imitation of a
> mindless pit bull puppy with lockjaw.
Here is EXACTLY what you said and it proves you are lying as usual,
"... more recently there was a poll taken regarding EXTREME spanking,
such as using implements on infants and so on... and even THEN the
support was approximately 67%!"
> <chuckle>
How can you chuckle when you get caught lying?
> You have yet to prove that poll does not exist, Delusional Dan. All you have is that I have said I
> cannot formally cite it. Hardly the same thing.
Actually you never proved that it existed.
So far, and it's been MONTHS, the only place that this poll exists is
in your defective mind.
> <chuckle>
Again!
> > You claimed to be an expert in the insurance business because your
> > father was in it
>
> Actually I claimed to know a great deal about it... I never claimed to be 'an expert'. Another lie
> on your part, Delusional Dan.
>
> > and you were brought into the business by your father,
>
> As I was. Did not like it much so I left.
>
> > yet your own insurance company came within a hair of having
> > you arrested for fraud.
>
> Excuse me? Where did they even CONSIDER charges of fraud, Delusional Dan, much less come within a
> hair of anything?
>
> All they did was fabricate a selfserving fantasy so that THEY could defraud, so that THEY could
> breach a contract, knowing that it would be unlikely for me to be able to get an attorney to go up
> against the powerhouse law firm they had set up.
They set up a powerhouse firm to fight you?
It's interesting that everybody is always wrong but you.
> On the facts they are dead in the water for they have NOTHING to substantiate their claims of such.
> I had a list of folks who would testify that everything I said was the truth,
Curley, Larry, the Marx brothers, the Ritz brothers, Mindi Estrella,
Huey, Dewey, and Luey, and a cast of thousands I bet.
AND your insurance company thought ALL of them were lying?
I guess so!
> and they did not even
> bother to interview any of them at all.
Let me guess, they stopped after the first five hundred.
> They tried three or four different times to shake my statements and story and they never managed to
> at all...
So YOU say.
> what they wound up doing was taking two different answers to two different questions (which
> is why the answers were different) and dishonestly claim that they were answers to the SAME question
> which their OWN transcripts of their interview with me clearly show was not the case.
So they believed you LIED? Is that what made your claim incredible?
> But again your lies are duly noted as such, Delusional Dan.
>
> > You couldn't even collect on your own insurance claim.
>
> I have collected on many insurance claims, Delusional Dan. However insurance companies while they
> try and streamline the small claims, under $10,000 for example, on larger claims go out of their way
> to deny a claim if they think they can get away with it.
Especially I imagine if they believe the claim is bogus.
> Since I did not have videotapes of the
> items stolen they felt they could get away with it, and threw the dice... they had reason to believe,
> since most of what I had of value at the time had just been stolen, that I would not be able to pay
> for a lawyer to sue them...
>
> They were correct.
>
> How nice to see how you defend such practices in the insurance industry, Delusional Dan.
And where did I defend them?
I just pointed out that you failed to credibly substantiate your
claim.
What the insurance company does is up to them.
> I think it demonstrates a GREAT DEAL about your complete lack of character.
>
> But then again anyone following your dishonest, delusional, ignorant, idiotic and obsessive screeds
> against me and in promotion of your Gestapo CPS apologist agenda already pretty much know this about
> you, Delusional Dan.
>
> As does, now, anyone else reading this.
>
> > You claimed that your children got head lice from their mother's
> > house, when you wrote on your own website, they got the lice at their
> > school.
>
> Actually, Delusional Dan, you have your BS backwards. On the website, the correct information, it is
> correctly stated they got that incidence of lice from their visit to their mother's home. Most of
> their incidences of lice did in fact come from their school, but not this one. I made a misstatement
> and I corrected it as soon as such was pointed out (something you have yet to ever demonstrate doing,
> Delusional Dan... accept your misstatements, correct them, and adjust accordingly).
>
> So apparently Delusional Dan seems to think that making any kind of misstatement, even when it is
> immediately admitted as such once pointed out and corrected, as being some badge of dishonor....
>
> Isn't that rich? He, someone whose proven lies in this newsgroup are LEGION, desperately attempts to
> take an honest misstatement which was immediately accepted, admitted and corrected, to be a LIE.
>
> This is just one of his many dishonest practices.
YOU wanted me to re-read your website and I did. And the first thing I
know you're posting info that's disproved on your own website!
How many times DID your kids have head lice?
You said what was agreed on wasn't what was in the agreement, you said
the CW had added things and left in things that were supposed to be
removed.
"IS restored?" You mean will be restored. And you didn't check. You
took CPS at their word. And whatever was discussed at your attnys
office wasn't what was in the agreement that you signed at your house.
No suspicions????
HAHAHAHAHA!
> and there was no reason to believe they
> would screw it up since as was proven it was in no way in their interests to do so.
I wouldn't be surprised if they got TWO EXTRA years of state and
federal subsidies because you were so "INEPT."
> (they exercised
> no involvement at all, no control at all, did not profit from it at all
AND you are sure of that?
> and in fact the fact of the
> matter was not even on the record... it was buried so deeply because they did not want to go before
> the judge in the case that it was only discovered by a detailed audit of the books of the court....
> they found a case which was supposed to have been closed but which the final papers had not been
> filed by Gestapo CPS to do so and they got reamed from the bench for it)
Another statement with no substantiation.
> So we have where I was returned my children, papers were given which stated that Gestapo CPS was no
> longer involved in my family in any way, everything closed, and so on... and yet I am supposed to
> continue to operate as if none of this happened?
Who said that?
When someone says they're GOING to do something and all they've done
up til then is lie, THEN YOU CHECK!!!!!
> That is the line of irrationality you are arguing for, Delusional Dan.... that no matter what, no
> matter how much the facts say one thing, I am to ONLY operate as if reality is not reality.
The reality is, you took someone at their word who never did anything
but lie to you.
> Sorry, Delusional Dan, but delusional denial is your bailiwick, not mine. I choose not to work your
> side of the street in this regard.
That's why CPS had legal custody of your kids for TWO EXTRA years and
you didn't know it!!!
> <chuckle>
>
> > I'll add more after you respond? to these.
>
> You continue to show nothing against me, Delusional Dan, but volumes against yourself, in each and
> every one of these moronic bleatings of yours....
>
> So you just continue right along... not like your credibility or legitimacy could possibly be reduced
> much more than you already have done, Delusional Dan.
>
> <chuckle>
I raise you another hundred.
Greg Hanson
> Leave any inappropriate remarks or any
> remarks that they could POSSIBLY interpret
> as inappropriate out of all conversations.
Dan, CPS dogs and their familiars could
interpret "hello" as something evil.
Avoiding what they could misinterpret
would leave the parent completely mute.
-And they could misinterpret that too.