New to group
Barbara
brought me hear.
One Sunday morning we were awaken to police POUNDING on the door. My
daughter's almost 4 yr old son had went out the back door while we
were sleeping. He made it THREE houses down the alley and across a
small side street to a parking lot of the flea market.
To make a long horrible story short... my daughter was charged with
2nd degree child abandonment/endangerment felony punishable by 2 to 20
years in prison! Her bond was set at $100,000! She spent 47 days in
the county jail.
The police lied in the arrest record and the newspaper printed more
lies. My landlord now thinks we are trash and wants us to move.
There is more but you get the idea. I have never been so shocked as
to how horribly one can be treated by CPS and the police.
We are just beginning to come out of the shock of it all. Thank you
for allowing me to be here...
Barbara A.
Dan Sullivan
> I am glad to be a part of this group but I am not happy about what
> brought me hear.
>
> One Sunday morning we were awaken to police POUNDING on the door. My
> daughter's almost 4 yr old son had went out the back door while we
> were sleeping. He made it THREE houses down the alley and across a
> small side street to a parking lot of the flea market.
What time was it in the morning?
Sounds like the boy wanted to go to the flea market.
> To make a long horrible story short... my daughter was charged with
> 2nd degree child abandonment/endangerment felony punishable by 2 to 20
> years in prison! Her bond was set at $100,000! She spent 47 days in
> the county jail.
Her attny didn't ask for a lower bail?
> The police lied in the arrest record and the newspaper printed more
> lies.
What were the lies?
> My landlord now thinks we are trash and wants us to move.
> There is more but you get the idea. I have never been so shocked as
> to how horribly one can be treated by CPS and the police.
>
> We are just beginning to come out of the shock of it all. Thank you
> for allowing me to be here...
> Barbara A.
Calm down.
At least the boy didn't get hurt.
Best, Dan from New York
dragonsgirl
"Barbara" <aren...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:9884078e-cb76-4ba6...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
>I am glad to be a part of this group but I am not happy about what
> brought me hear.
>
> One Sunday morning we were awaken to police POUNDING on the door. My
> daughter's almost 4 yr old son had went out the back door while we
> were sleeping. He made it THREE houses down the alley and across a
> small side street to a parking lot of the flea market.
>
> To make a long horrible story short... my daughter was charged with
> 2nd degree child abandonment/endangerment felony punishable by 2 to 20
> years in prison! Her bond was set at $100,000! She spent 47 days in
> the county jail.
For a child getting out of the house in the early morning hours?
Jeeeeeze, I can't believe that, that is so wild!
>
> The police lied in the arrest record and the newspaper printed more
> lies. My landlord now thinks we are trash and wants us to move.
> There is more but you get the idea. I have never been so shocked as
> to how horribly one can be treated by CPS and the police.
>
> We are just beginning to come out of the shock of it all. Thank you
> for allowing me to be here...
> Barbara A.
Barbara, I would think that at the very MOST this would have been an issue
for CPS to deal with, asking that the family secure the home so that the
child could not get out while the parents were sleeping.
I would never believe that it would go to such criminal charges unless the
child was injured.
That is nuts.
I'm sorry for your family, that is blwon way out of porportion.
Betty
firemonkey
> "Barbara" <arend...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
I spoke to a family who had a very similar experience, CPS had them
install a alarm on the doors, then closed the case.
dragonsgirl
"firemonkey" <mehit...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:74a7798d-790e-446e...@e4g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
Yeah, that's what I would have assumed.
Barring the child didn't get any serious injuries from their escape.
krp
"Dan Sullivan" <dsul...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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LK
I wouldn't discuss my story in here if I were you.
Dan Sullivan
You don't need to post any identifying information.
I'm just curious to know what time the boy got out.
And what lies did the police put in the arrest record.
BTW if there isn't a history of problems in the home with the police
or CPS involvement, I doubt it will go to trial.
krp
>>
>> > I am glad to be a part of this group but I am not happy about what
>> > brought me hear.
>>
>> > One Sunday morning we were awaken to police POUNDING on the door. My
>> > daughter's almost 4 yr old son had went out the back door while we
>> > were sleeping. He made it THREE houses down the alley and across a
>> > small side street to a parking lot of the flea market.
>>
>> > To make a long horrible story short... my daughter was charged with
>> > 2nd degree child abandonment/endangerment felony punishable by 2 to 20
>> > years in prison! Her bond was set at $100,000! She spent 47 days in
>> > the county jail.
>>
>> > The police lied in the arrest record and the newspaper printed more
>> > lies. My landlord now thinks we are trash and wants us to move.
>> > There is more but you get the idea. I have never been so shocked as
>> > to how horribly one can be treated by CPS and the police.
>>
>> > We are just beginning to come out of the shock of it all. Thank you
>> > for allowing me to be here...
>> > Barbara A.
>>
>> I wouldn't discuss my story in here if I were you.
>
> You don't need to post any identifying information.
No just read lots of BAD legal advice from PRETEND lawyer Danny Sullivan and
his CPS pals who infest this place.
firemonkey
> "Dan Sullivan" <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote in message
Dan is not a lawyer. He has helped many, many families get their
families back together.
krp
news:7ab19007-81c6-4e32...@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
SURE he has Roberta. He's on the PARENTS SIDE..........................
SUUUURRREEEEE HE IS!
Dan Sullivan
> SURE he has Roberta. He's on the PARENTS SIDE..........................
> SUUUURRREEEEE HE IS!
========================
From: Loyal Fan - view profile
Date: Sat, Feb 22 2003 2:32 am
Groups: alt.support.child-protective-services
Our daughters first B-day was yesterday! Everything went great and our
daughter is doing so well with adjusting.
I spoke with my attorney the same night, he called to say happy b-day
and check in on us.
He reminded me that a while back my friend, Dan, had pushed me to ask
him to emergency petition the court. The attorney was saying if it was
not done when we had the opportunity then, we might not be sitting
around having cake celebrating. We owed this guy a world of thanks.
Dan told me to call him and push at him to file the darn motion. I
made the call and the attoreny said "its what I was thinking but how
did you have the same idea"?
I said I just spoke with my friend Dan and the attorney politely cut
me short. He said "In what area does your friend Dan practice law"? I
said he doesnt. He said "are you sure"? , "only an attorney thinks
like this".
At the end of our convo he said I am not sure what to really bill you.
I think I just showed up in court and your buddy gave you everything
you needed to prevail. So I said how about you charge me nothing? ;-p
Well its not quite nothing but no where near what it would be had I
not had Dan fighting hard along side me.
He did the real work. He knew we were a mess, we weren't sleeping,
eating. When my voice cracked on the phone his did too. He said it was
alright to cry, he let me get it out.
Once I was so angry I wanted to smash everything!!! He told me to go
punch the trees outside. He told me a joke, he made me laugh.
I would sit and stare blankly at the computer and an email box would
pop up. It was Dan, he just found a new piece of info about OI and had
to share it. When I was down he picked me up. He gave me the strength
to fight. He spent more time on the phone with me than my own father.
When I had a question at, 10pm, 11pm, 12pm.......Dan had the answer.
My wife's mom died during this ordeal to cancer. While we grieved her
loss Dan took this tragedy and worked it into our case to use against
cps.
I honestly forgot about parts of our case that happened in court. The
guy shocked me by reminding me exactly what transpired. It ws like he
was there in court with us taping the whole thing. He is just a great
listener and nothing gets passed him. My problem was his problem.
When it comes to family, this guy is as serious as a heart attack!
He told me we won months before we even walked into court. He was
right.
Dan, Thank You! The smile on my wife's face!!! You have no idea!!!
In every snapshot, my daughter is all smiles! My wife couldn't stop
crying.
I thought I was going to have to cover her with a shock blanket! She
still cant believe its over.
I also went to NY to pick up my 8 year old daughter today. She has not
seen her sister once since cps intervened on us. They said she would
also be fair game to take if she were at my home and they came
calling.
They are together for the first time in 7 months! My life is complete
again, my world is whole.
Dan, we all (not kids) lifted a glass of champagne last night and we
toasted to YOU! Not only have you made us the happiest people in the
world, but you made my parents the happiest grandparents in the world!
I needed to say this publicly here. People need to know from where the
help came, from who was willing, night or day, to listen and to guide
us.
Many Thanks,
Chuck, Margie and baby Angie
aka
Loyal Fan
P.S. My wife is insisting on her confirmation name being Danielle. You
better have no plans cause your now her sponsor!
=====================
Greegor
> "ASSmonkey" <mehitabl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
FM > Dan is not a lawyer. He has helped many,
FM > many families get their families back together.
KRP > SURE he has Roberta. He's on the PARENTS
SIDE..........................
KRP > SUUUURRREEEEE HE IS!
I'm confused about why this became a CRIMINAL charge!
I suspect it's mostly to intimidate the mother into
cooperating fully with the rotten CPS idiots.
Then when the criminal thing collapses the
hapless parent feels like they got a good deal
and "stipulate" rather than insisting on an
actual adjudication hearing for the CPS part.
They might even make a "plea" deal where they
drop the bogus criminal charges in exchange
for the mother agreeing to be OWNED
(stipulating) in CPS "dependency court".
The REAL threat is probably NOT the BS criminal
charge, unless she was intoxicated when the
kid got out. The real threat to your daughter's
family is the Child Protective Service "dependency court".
People will minimize the seriousness of "stipulating"
and doing a "service plan", sadly even her OWN attorney.
Basically it is a guilty plea and the agency will then
make her jump through "services" hoops, jerk her around
to prevent her from getting her kid back, as they see fit.
There was a story like this in the media recently where
the child got out for the third such time and the
authorities sounded like they were going to
get tougher on that family.
What I'd like to know Barbara, is if you're rapidly
coming to the realization that CPS is a corrupt
bunch of goons?
You naively thought CPS is the good guys, didn't you?
Have you filed a motion to "intervene" to be a party yet?
Try to keep CPS honest, if you can.
Have you filed for kinship care of the child, to keep
the kid out of the hands of Foster Contractors?
Kinship care is supposed to be a high priority.
They commonly bypass it even when there are
kin readily available, to feed the Foster side
of the racket.
I am not a lawyer.
LK
> "ASSmonkey" <mehitabl...@gmail.com> wrote in message
;-)
krp
>> SURE he has Roberta. He's on the PARENTS SIDE..........................
>> SUUUURRREEEEE HE IS!
Well Danny? STILL playing JESUS?
krp
"LK" <Pati...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:6e05a724-dfaf-4eaa...@e10g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
;-)
Look out Sullivan is SURE you are on HIS side.................. Don't make
him paranoid.
I wonder if they have found the leak in the TITANIC yet?
LK
> "LK" <Patis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
who me?
Kent Wills
[...]
>>> No just read lots of BAD legal advice from PRETEND lawyer Danny Sullivan
>>> and
>>> his CPS pals who infest this place.
>>
>> Dan is not a lawyer. He has helped many, many families get their
>> families back together.
>
>SURE he has Roberta. He's on the PARENTS SIDE..........................
>SUUUURRREEEEE HE IS!
Based on reports, he is. He's helped families get back
together. And without requiring a large financial investment from
them.
You, requiring massive amounts of money, haven't helped any
families.
--
Kent
"Si khohaimo may pachivalo sar o chachimo."
-- Kenny-Bob's hope.
Kent Wills
wrote:
Because the prosecution believes a criminal act was committed,
and that it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
This isn't rocket science, Greg.
>
>I suspect it's mostly to intimidate the mother into
>cooperating fully with the rotten CPS idiots.
You are free to suspect whatever you wish.
>
>Then when the criminal thing collapses the
>hapless parent feels like they got a good deal
>and "stipulate" rather than insisting on an
>actual adjudication hearing for the CPS part.
>They might even make a "plea" deal where they
>drop the bogus criminal charges in exchange
>for the mother agreeing to be OWNED
>(stipulating) in CPS "dependency court".
If the prosecution doesn't have a realistic case, the defense
attorney will see it and, I expect, will advice the client(s)
appropriately.
>
>The REAL threat is probably NOT the BS criminal
>charge, unless she was intoxicated when the
>kid got out. The real threat to your daughter's
>family is the Child Protective Service "dependency court".
>
>People will minimize the seriousness of "stipulating"
>and doing a "service plan", sadly even her OWN attorney.
So you speak for the attorney now?
>Basically it is a guilty plea and the agency will then
>make her jump through "services" hoops, jerk her around
>to prevent her from getting her kid back, as they see fit.
That you have managed to keep Lisa's daughter away for eight
years, doesn't mean it will happen for others.
>
>There was a story like this in the media recently where
>the child got out for the third such time and the
>authorities sounded like they were going to
>get tougher on that family.
As they should.
Once can be excused. But three times? Clearly those
responsible for the safety of the child are NOT paying attention.
>
>What I'd like to know Barbara, is if you're rapidly
>coming to the realization that CPS is a corrupt
>bunch of goons?
>
>You naively thought CPS is the good guys, didn't you?
>
>Have you filed a motion to "intervene" to be a party yet?
DO NOT follow Greg's advice!
Following his own advice has kept his (presumed) current
girlfriend away from her daughter for eight years.
>
>Try to keep CPS honest, if you can.
>
>Have you filed for kinship care of the child, to keep
>the kid out of the hands of Foster Contractors?
>
>Kinship care is supposed to be a high priority.
>
>They commonly bypass it even when there are
>kin readily available, to feed the Foster side
>of the racket.
>
>I am not a lawyer.
By your own standards, you're a racist idiot.
--
" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
April 2000, "Erudite" Gregory Hanson
http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson
Kent Wills
[...]
>> > Dan is not a lawyer. He has helped many, many families get their
>> > families back together.
>>
>> SURE he has Roberta. He's on the PARENTS SIDE..........................
>> SUUUURRREEEEE HE IS!
>
>;-)
>
>
>Look out Sullivan is SURE you are on HIS side.................. Don't make
>him paranoid.
>I wonder if they have found the leak in the TITANIC yet?
According to you, Greg somehow got into her Gmail account.
--
"It's attached to a thing called a "WIFE" Betty."
Kenneth Robert Pangborn showing how he views his wife
as an object and NOT a human being.
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dragonsgirl
"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:q8grq3l17e3f7m6dn...@4ax.com...
Greg isn't paying attention again.
The woman said she lives in the same house with the parents.
Filing wouldn't do any good for getting the child placed wtih the
grandma...she was one of the adults that they would consider negligent.
LK
> On Fri, 8 Feb 2008 19:16:21 -0800 (PST), Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com>
Don't you think that this sort of thing always being refered to CPS
could start to make parents think twice about calling the police for
help with this sort of situation?
>
>
> >I suspect it's mostly to intimidate the mother into
> >cooperating fully with the rotten CPS idiots.
>
> You are free to suspect whatever you wish.
>
>
>
> >Then when the criminal thing collapses the
> >hapless parent feels like they got a good deal
> >and "stipulate" rather than insisting on an
> >actual adjudication hearing for the CPS part.
> >They might even make a "plea" deal where they
> >drop the bogus criminal charges in exchange
> >for the mother agreeing to be OWNED
> >(stipulating) in CPS "dependency court".
>
> If the prosecution doesn't have a realistic case, the defense
> attorney will see it and, I expect, will advice the client(s)
> appropriately.
>
As long as they can afford a good one. PD's aren't really known for
biting the hand that feeds them.
>
>
> >The REAL threat is probably NOT the BS criminal
> >charge, unless she was intoxicated when the
> >kid got out. The real threat to your daughter's
> >family is the Child Protective Service "dependency court".
>
> >People will minimize the seriousness of "stipulating"
> >and doing a "service plan", sadly even her OWN attorney.
>
> So you speak for the attorney now?
>
> >Basically it is a guilty plea and the agency will then
> >make her jump through "services" hoops, jerk her around
> >to prevent her from getting her kid back, as they see fit.
>
> That you have managed to keep Lisa's daughter away for eight
> years, doesn't mean it will happen for others.
>
>
>
> >There was a story like this in the media recently where
> >the child got out for the third such time and the
> >authorities sounded like they were going to
> >get tougher on that family.
>
> As they should.
> Once can be excused. But three times? Clearly those
> responsible for the safety of the child are NOT paying attention.
>
>
In my state it's a catch 22. You get a kid who is smart enough to
unlock a door, so you put a hook and eye or a dead bolt out of his
reach and that call it a fire hazard. "Slows you down if you are
trying to get out of the house in case of a fire." You can't win
either way.
Kids can be rather quick you know. This sort of thing can happen to
anybody.
>
> >What I'd like to know Barbara, is if you're rapidly
> >coming to the realization that CPS is a corrupt
> >bunch of goons?
>
> >You naively thought CPS is the good guys, didn't you?
>
> >Have you filed a motion to "intervene" to be a party yet?
>
> DO NOT follow Greg's advice!
Nor the advice of this foster parent.
krp
< who me?
Did YOU cause the leak in the Titanic?
Dan Sullivan
> I'm confused about why this became a CRIMINAL charge!
Because it was the police who were called when the boy was found.
And they called in CPS.
> I suspect it's mostly to intimidate the mother into
> cooperating fully with the rotten CPS idiots.
The mother spent 47 days in jail, greg.
She couldn't have cooperated with anyone.
> Then when the criminal thing collapses the
> hapless parent feels like they got a good deal
> and "stipulate" rather than insisting on an
> actual adjudication hearing for the CPS part.
It's amazing to me that in all the years you haven't learned that
people can stipulate to anything that they agree with.
> They might even make a "plea" deal where they
> drop the bogus criminal charges in exchange
> for the mother agreeing to be OWNED
> (stipulating) in CPS "dependency court".
"They" is CPS?
You think CPS can drop criminal charges?
> The REAL threat is probably NOT the BS criminal
> charge, unless she was intoxicated when the
> kid got out. The real threat to your daughter's
> family is the Child Protective Service "dependency court".
There was no mention that CPS had the mother in Family court.
> People will minimize the seriousness of "stipulating"
> and doing a "service plan", sadly even her OWN attorney.
There was no mention of a stipulation or a service plan.
> Basically it is a guilty plea and the agency will then
> make her jump through "services" hoops, jerk her around
> to prevent her from getting her kid back, as they see fit.
There was no mention that the boy was removed from the home.
I don't think grandma would have left that fact out.
> There was a story like this in the media recently where
> the child got out for the third such time and the
> authorities sounded like they were going to
> get tougher on that family.
And?
> What I'd like to know Barbara, is if you're rapidly
> coming to the realization that CPS is a corrupt
> bunch of goons?
Sounds like CPS isn't what she believes is the biggest problem right
now.
> You naively thought CPS is the good guys, didn't you?
>
> Have you filed a motion to "intervene" to be a party yet?
>
> Try to keep CPS honest, if you can.
Yeah, that way if the case does go before a Family Court Judge her
daughter can't point out all the mistakes CPS made.
> Have you filed for kinship care of the child, to keep
> the kid out of the hands of Foster Contractors?
>
> Kinship care is supposed to be a high priority.
>
> They commonly bypass it even when there are
> kin readily available, to feed the Foster side
> of the racket.
>
> I am not a lawyer.
There's a shock.
Dan Sullivan
> I'm confused about why this became a CRIMINAL charge!
Because it was the police who were called when the boy was found.
And they called in CPS.
> I suspect it's mostly to intimidate the mother into
> cooperating fully with the rotten CPS idiots.
The mother spent 47 days in jail, greg.
She couldn't have cooperated with anyone.
> Then when the criminal thing collapses the
> hapless parent feels like they got a good deal
> and "stipulate" rather than insisting on an
> actual adjudication hearing for the CPS part.
It's amazing to me that in all the years you haven't learned that
people can stipulate to anything that they agree with.
> They might even make a "plea" deal where they
> drop the bogus criminal charges in exchange
> for the mother agreeing to be OWNED
> (stipulating) in CPS "dependency court".
"They" is CPS?
You think CPS can drop criminal charges?
> The REAL threat is probably NOT the BS criminal
> charge, unless she was intoxicated when the
> kid got out. The real threat to your daughter's
> family is the Child Protective Service "dependency court".
There was no mention that CPS had the mother in Family court.
> People will minimize the seriousness of "stipulating"
> and doing a "service plan", sadly even her OWN attorney.
There was no mention of a stipulation or a service plan.
> Basically it is a guilty plea and the agency will then
> make her jump through "services" hoops, jerk her around
> to prevent her from getting her kid back, as they see fit.
There was no mention that the boy was removed from the home.
I don't think grandma would have left that fact out.
> There was a story like this in the media recently where
> the child got out for the third such time and the
> authorities sounded like they were going to
> get tougher on that family.
And?
> What I'd like to know Barbara, is if you're rapidly
> coming to the realization that CPS is a corrupt
> bunch of goons?
Sounds like CPS isn't what she believes is the biggest problem right
now.
> You naively thought CPS is the good guys, didn't you?
>
> Have you filed a motion to "intervene" to be a party yet?
>
> Try to keep CPS honest, if you can.
Yeah, that way if the case does go before a Family Court Judge her
daughter can't point out all the mistakes CPS made.
> Have you filed for kinship care of the child, to keep
> the kid out of the hands of Foster Contractors?
>
> Kinship care is supposed to be a high priority.
>
> They commonly bypass it even when there are
> kin readily available, to feed the Foster side
> of the racket.
>
> I am not a lawyer.
There's a shock.
Kent Wills
<drago...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
[...]
>>>Have you filed a motion to "intervene" to be a party yet?
>>
>> DO NOT follow Greg's advice!
>> Following his own advice has kept his (presumed) current
>> girlfriend away from her daughter for eight years.
>
>Greg isn't paying attention again.
>The woman said she lives in the same house with the parents.
>Filing wouldn't do any good for getting the child placed wtih the
>grandma...she was one of the adults that they would consider negligent.
I must confess that I also failed to pay attention. I spaced
off that important detail.
Fortunately, my inability to pay attention doesn't alter the
accuracy of my advice regarding ignoring Greg.
--
Kent
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons...
for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
Kent Wills
wrote:
[...]
>> >I'm confused about why this became a CRIMINAL charge!
>>
>> Because the prosecution believes a criminal act was committed,
>> and that it can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
>> This isn't rocket science, Greg.
>>
>
>Don't you think that this sort of thing always being refered to CPS
>could start to make parents think twice about calling the police for
>help with this sort of situation?
>
The police are not prepared to offer parenting advice in any
form, nor equipped to follow up.
CPS, for good or bad, is.
[...]
>>
>> >Then when the criminal thing collapses the
>> >hapless parent feels like they got a good deal
>> >and "stipulate" rather than insisting on an
>> >actual adjudication hearing for the CPS part.
>> >They might even make a "plea" deal where they
>> >drop the bogus criminal charges in exchange
>> >for the mother agreeing to be OWNED
>> >(stipulating) in CPS "dependency court".
>>
>> If the prosecution doesn't have a realistic case, the defense
>> attorney will see it and, I expect, will advice the client(s)
>> appropriately.
>>
>
>As long as they can afford a good one. PD's aren't really known for
>biting the hand that feeds them.
News flash: PDs don't work for the DA's office or CPS. It's
true. They don't.
Generally, PDs are fairly new. Yes, there are some long term
PDs, but they're more the exception.
These newbies need to make a name for themselves. Allowing
the defendants assigned to them to be convicted when an acquittal was
realistically possible won't get them the fame they want.
Private practice makes the money, but the attorneys need a
history to support the fees they charge.
>>
>>
>> >The REAL threat is probably NOT the BS criminal
>> >charge, unless she was intoxicated when the
>> >kid got out. The real threat to your daughter's
>> >family is the Child Protective Service "dependency court".
>>
>> >People will minimize the seriousness of "stipulating"
>> >and doing a "service plan", sadly even her OWN attorney.
>>
>> So you speak for the attorney now?
>>
>> >Basically it is a guilty plea and the agency will then
>> >make her jump through "services" hoops, jerk her around
>> >to prevent her from getting her kid back, as they see fit.
>>
>> That you have managed to keep Lisa's daughter away for eight
>> years, doesn't mean it will happen for others.
>>
Les? No comment?
BTW, I have the wrong number of years. It's seven. I have no
idea where I came up with eight.
>>
>>
>> >There was a story like this in the media recently where
>> >the child got out for the third such time and the
>> >authorities sounded like they were going to
>> >get tougher on that family.
>>
>> As they should.
>> Once can be excused. But three times? Clearly those
>> responsible for the safety of the child are NOT paying attention.
>>
>>
>
>In my state it's a catch 22. You get a kid who is smart enough to
>unlock a door, so you put a hook and eye or a dead bolt out of his
>reach and that call it a fire hazard. "Slows you down if you are
>trying to get out of the house in case of a fire." You can't win
>either way.
>
>Kids can be rather quick you know. This sort of thing can happen to
>anybody.
Who said anything about hook and eye lock? A door alarm would
work far better. It would not slow down one's escape in a fire, or
other emergency, but would allow everyone in the home to know the door
was opened.
And they aren't terribly expensive. Especially when compared
to the cost of dealing with CPS or the cost of getting an attorney if
it's a criminal case.
And before you whine about windows, they make alarms for them
as well. Also lest costly than dealing with CPS, etc.
>
>>
>> >What I'd like to know Barbara, is if you're rapidly
>> >coming to the realization that CPS is a corrupt
>> >bunch of goons?
>>
>> >You naively thought CPS is the good guys, didn't you?
>>
>> >Have you filed a motion to "intervene" to be a party yet?
>>
>> DO NOT follow Greg's advice!
>
>Nor the advice of this foster parent.
Since I am not currently a foster parent (having an infant in
the home makes it an unrealistic option), your ad hom fails.
That aside, has anything I've done kept a mom and child apart
for seven+ years? Nope.
Of course, I would recommend someone seek Dan's advice on such
matters. He has a proven track record of getting parents and children
back together.
--
Kent
O zalzaro khal peski piri!
Kent Wills
[...]
>> Look out Sullivan is SURE you are on HIS side.................. Don't make
>> him paranoid.
>> I wonder if they have found the leak in the TITANIC yet?
>
>< who me?
>
>
>Did YOU cause the leak in the Titanic?
It's accepted that the Titanic hit an ice berg, rupturing the
hull.
Further, I doubt Dan was around during the time of the
Titanic. As such, he couldn't have caused it.
Greegor
> On Sat, 9 Feb 2008 08:13:00 -0800 (PST), LK <Patis...@gmail.com>
All the best FELONS recommend Dan Sullivan!
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LK
They do when CPS is involved. They can ensure future contracts from CPS.
Especially if they're known as friendly to the system. That's why it's
always best to hire your own lawyer. Therapists do the same thing. If CPS
puts it into a service plan that a parent should to go to a therapist of
their (CPS's) choosing, then CPS is hiring that therapist in order to build
a case against the parent. CPS has access to any records. The therapist
becomes a part of their team. If a parent hires their own, they will likely
have an advocate. You can say it doesn't work that way all you want. Any
system suck would. People like you are constantly trying to reinforce this
generally accepted understanding that the system is fair, of course that
understanding changes rather quickly when one has them crawling up ones ass.
> Generally, PDs are fairly new. Yes, there are some long term
> PDs, but they're more the exception.
Or lousy lawyers. You do realize that half of all the lawyers in this
country graduated in the bottom half of their class right?
> These newbies need to make a name for themselves. Allowing
> the defendants assigned to them to be convicted when an acquittal was
> realistically possible won't get them the fame they want.
> Private practice makes the money, but the attorneys need a
> history to support the fees they charge.
>
>>>
>>>
>>> >The REAL threat is probably NOT the BS criminal
>>> >charge, unless she was intoxicated when the
>>> >kid got out. The real threat to your daughter's
>>> >family is the Child Protective Service "dependency court".
>>>
>>> >People will minimize the seriousness of "stipulating"
>>> >and doing a "service plan", sadly even her OWN attorney.
>>>
>>> So you speak for the attorney now?
>>>
>>> >Basically it is a guilty plea and the agency will then
>>> >make her jump through "services" hoops, jerk her around
>>> >to prevent her from getting her kid back, as they see fit.
>>>
>>> That you have managed to keep Lisa's daughter away for eight
>>> years, doesn't mean it will happen for others.
>>>
>
> Les? No comment?
About what?
> BTW, I have the wrong number of years. It's seven. I have no
> idea where I came up with eight.
>
Must have been a brain fart.
>>>
>>>
>>> >There was a story like this in the media recently where
>>> >the child got out for the third such time and the
>>> >authorities sounded like they were going to
>>> >get tougher on that family.
>>>
>>> As they should.
>>> Once can be excused. But three times? Clearly those
>>> responsible for the safety of the child are NOT paying attention.
>>>
>>>
>>
>>In my state it's a catch 22. You get a kid who is smart enough to
>>unlock a door, so you put a hook and eye or a dead bolt out of his
>>reach and that call it a fire hazard. "Slows you down if you are
>>trying to get out of the house in case of a fire." You can't win
>>either way.
>>
>>Kids can be rather quick you know. This sort of thing can happen to
>>anybody.
>
> Who said anything about hook and eye lock?
It's a simple solution.
> A door alarm would
> work far better.
Your paranoia is noted.
> It would not slow down one's escape in a fire, or
> other emergency, but would allow everyone in the home to know the door
> was opened.
Until the kid figures out how to sneak around it.
> And they aren't terribly expensive. Especially when compared
> to the cost of dealing with CPS or the cost of getting an attorney if
> it's a criminal case.
You know what? Most people don't feel the need. I'm sure in some
neighborhoods stuff like that would be necessary, but in the small towns,
rural areas, people don't usually think they need to do things like that.
Kids sneak off all the time. Dealing with it is part of the learning
experience of being a parent. It usually doesn't happen more then once or
twice. The parents come up with some solution. They thank God that nothing
happened. Sometimes bad things happen. That's part of life. It doesn't
make a parent neglectful unless it happens too often. Hell, CPS could even
help out by having these alarm systems installed for the parent. That would
be better then jumping off the deep end and snagging the kid, throwing the
parent in jail and the kid in foster care, wouldn't you think?
> And before you whine about windows, they make alarms for them
> as well. Also lest costly than dealing with CPS, etc.
>
Do you have alarms on your windows?
>>
>>>
>>> >What I'd like to know Barbara, is if you're rapidly
>>> >coming to the realization that CPS is a corrupt
>>> >bunch of goons?
>>>
>>> >You naively thought CPS is the good guys, didn't you?
>>>
>>> >Have you filed a motion to "intervene" to be a party yet?
>>>
>>> DO NOT follow Greg's advice!
>>
>>Nor the advice of this foster parent.
>
> Since I am not currently a foster parent (having an infant in
> the home makes it an unrealistic option), your ad hom fails.
Are you still liscenced?
> That aside, has anything I've done kept a mom and child apart
> for seven+ years? Nope.
Sure it has. You provided a place for them to hide the kids.
> Of course, I would recommend someone seek Dan's advice on such
> matters. He has a proven track record of getting parents and children
> back together.
>
How is this proven?
LK
> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:26:27 GMT, " krp" <krp2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
>>> Look out Sullivan is SURE you are on HIS side.................. Don't
>>> make
>>> him paranoid.
>>> I wonder if they have found the leak in the TITANIC yet?
>>
>>< who me?
>>
>>
>>Did YOU cause the leak in the Titanic?
>
> It's accepted that the Titanic hit an ice berg, rupturing the
> hull.
Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
krp
"LK" <pati...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:47ae8863$0$8637$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
>> [...]
>>
>>>> Look out Sullivan is SURE you are on HIS side.................. Don't
>>>> make
>>>> him paranoid.
>>>> I wonder if they have found the leak in the TITANIC yet?
>>>
>>>< who me?
>>>
>>>
>>>Did YOU cause the leak in the Titanic?
>>
>> It's accepted that the Titanic hit an ice berg, rupturing the
>> hull.
>
> Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
They don't use metaphors in Poland.
krp
> News flash: PDs don't work for the DA's office or CPS. It's
> true. They don't.
> Generally, PDs are fairly new. Yes, there are some long term
> PDs, but they're more the exception.
> These newbies need to make a name for themselves. Allowing
> the defendants assigned to them to be convicted when an acquittal was
> realistically possible won't get them the fame they want.
> Private practice makes the money, but the attorneys need a
> history to support the fees they charge.
True - PD's don't work IN the DA's office. Generally their offices are
down the hall or on a different floor. But the same folks sign THEIR checks
as sign those of the DA. As to the PD making a name for themselves, you're
kidding right? When's the last time a "crusading public defender" hit the
news with a brilliant defense? Over 95% of the cases handled by the PD's
offices are plea bargained. Of the cases they take to trial you only rarely
hear of an acquittal. That's why most folks refer to them as "public
pretenders." Of course what you find in the yellow pages isn't much
different. The majority are like PD's who only plea bargain but charge high
fees to do the same throw the case that a PD will do for nothing. A REAL
"trial attorney" Criminal Defense Lawyer is rare and never cheap. There are
only a handful in any large city. Mr. Wills ignorance is staggering. Most
defense lawyers are chosen based on their yellow pages ads, If they were
chose on their actual track records, most would be on bread lines instead of
driving a new Mercedes. Of course Kent was convicted himself so how would HE
know?
LK
> "LK" <patis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
That explains a lot.
Greegor
KW > an ice berg, rupturing the hull.
LK > Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
KRP > They don't use metaphors in Poland.
LK > That explains a lot.
Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
LK
You mean like by sinking it all you have to do is put it in the water?
Dan Sullivan
How 'bout this one...
CPS wanted greg hanson to take a urine test... he refused because he
didn't want to stay up all night studying.
Retardo Mazzablatti,
Is there a joke about a Polish Renaissance?
It has to do with Astroturf, and the Internet, and the color orange.
Greegor
KW > an ice berg, rupturing the hull.
LK > Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
KRP > They don't use metaphors in Poland.
LK > That explains a lot.
G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
LK > You mean like by sinking it all you have to do is put it in the
water?
DS > How 'bout this one...
DS > CPS wanted greg hanson to take a
DS > urine test... he refused because he
DS > didn't want to stay up all night studying.
That's one thing CPS didn't dare ask of us.
They knew very well that we don't use drugs.
firemonkey
Says it all.......
Case ID Title Name DOB Role
06571 AGCR015216 STATE OF IOWA VS HANSON, GREG SCOTT HANSON GREGORY
05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571 SCSC123709 FARM BUREAU MUTUAL INS CO VS GREGORY SCOTT HANSON
HANSON GREGORY 05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571 SCSC139229 EAGLE PROP MGT VS GREGORY HANSON & LISA WATKINS
HANSON GREGORY 05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571 SCSC139230 EAGLE PROP MGT VS GREGORY HANSON & LISA WATKINS
HANSON GREGORY 05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571 SCSC141447 EAGLE PROPERTY MNGT VS LISA WATKINS ET AL HANSON
GREGORY 05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571 SCSC141448 EAGLE PROPERTY MNGT VS LISA WATKINS ET AL HANSON
GREGORY 05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571 SMSM004543 STATE OF IOWA VS HANSON, GREG SCOTT HANSON GREGORY
05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571 SMSM008629 STATE OF IOWA VS HANSON, GREGORY S HANSON GREGORY
05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571 STCR429489 STATE OF IOWA vs HANSON, GREGORY SCOTT HANSON
GREGORY 05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571 STCR441449 STATE OF IOWA vs HANSON, GREGORY SCOTT HANSON
GREGORY 05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571CRSTCR146191 CITY OF CEDAR RAPIDS vs HANSON, GREGORY SCOTT
HANSON
GREGORY 05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571CRSTCR214087 CITY OF CEDAR RAPIDS vs HANSON, GREGORY SCOTT
HANSON
GREGORY 05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
06571MASTWG261061 CITY OF MARION vs HANSON, GREGORY SCOTT HANSON
GREGORY 05/22/1959 DEFENDANT
Kent Wills
[...]
>>>As long as they can afford a good one. PD's aren't really known for
>>>biting the hand that feeds them.
>>
>> News flash: PDs don't work for the DA's office or CPS. It's
>> true. They don't.
>
>They do when CPS is involved.
PDs work for the DA or CPS when CPS is involved? Please
explain and provide something authoritative to back your claim.
FYI: the public defender's office is a separate entity.
It's not a "contract" situation at all. They take turns out of
the PDs office. And neither CPS or the DA controls that or the
funding.
Wiki isn't always the most reliable of cites, but in this
case, it's very accurate. Give it a read:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_defender
>They can ensure future contracts from CPS.
"Contracts?" What contracts? The PD office does not provide
lawyers on any contract to CPS or the DA.
Often PDs are simply a pool of lawyers and they are not
contracted. They are assigned by the state to serve as PDs.
In some states, like Iowa, PDs are only PDs. The work for the
PD's office.
They are paid totally independent of CPS and the DA.
>Especially if they're known as friendly to the system. That's why it's
>always best to hire your own lawyer.
That is ALWAYS a good idea. But if the person is
indigent a PD if provided for them.
Please explain how to "hire your own lawyers" if one hasn't
the money for it? And you cannot GET A PD unless you are indigent.
You have once again, in the great tradition of the anti-CPS
ranters here presented a non argument as though it made sense. I
suspect, but can't KNOW you've done it as a means to criticize and
nothing more.
You have just given advice that is so bad, it reads like
Kenny-Bob.
>Therapists do the same thing. If CPS
>puts it into a service plan that a parent should to go to a therapist of
>their (CPS's) choosing, then CPS is hiring that therapist in order to build
>a case against the parent.
Cite?
That claim has been around for years. Yet family after family
does get help with serious life issues and get their children
back. Or never have their children removed.
>CPS has access to any records.
Cite?
They can request access to any records, the same as anyone
else. This doesn't mean they'll be granted access.
>The therapist
>becomes a part of their team.
In the context of the objective of resolving the case, yes. In
the way you're trying to present, no.
The few instances children are not returned, the case was
pretty much resolved at the beginning.
>If a parent hires their own, they will likely
>have an advocate.
Then the parents should do that. Is that your advice?
>You can say it doesn't work that way all you want.
Yet no one is arguing that, just like they aren't arguing it's
best that they get their own attorney, IF THEY CAN AFFORD IT. Knocking
the PD system and lying about it directly or through implication (like
a family can get one assigned if they are not indigent) shows that
you'll lie about just about anything.
So your claims about therapists loses a great deal of
credibility by your prior lying behavior.
>Any
>system suck would.
Advice to use the system if you have no choice isn't system
sucking. And the people you call system sucks have given them same
advice as you: Get a good attorney. I would add, one with SUCCESSFUL
family court experience.
Use a therapist of your own if you can afford it.
Do NOT sign service plans that address things you have not
done.
If you can figure out what's coming, beat CPS to the punch and
do those things on likely to appear on the service plan so that when
you appear in front of a judge, if it gets that far, you can flatten
CPS from a position of strength, rather than one of angry denial like
Greg.
In Greg's case, his actions are ensuring that Lisa will never
have her daughter back at home until the girl reaches the age of
majority.
>People like you are constantly trying to reinforce this
>generally accepted understanding that the system is fair, of course that
>understanding changes rather quickly when one has them crawling up ones ass.
>
Pure RUBBISH.
You will need to include Dan Sullivan in that claim.
Ignoring, in your deceptive way, that Dan has not only criticized
CPS, he has kicked their asses on a continuous basis for years, yet
you low life scum keep lying about him.
Why? I think it's because you are jealous, and you have a HUGE
investment in families failing, losing their children, their treasure,
and sometimes their freedom so you do your simply little "I told you
so," dance on their backs.
Only you can tell me if I'm correct, and I don't expect you to
acknowledge I am, if I am.
>> Generally, PDs are fairly new. Yes, there are some long term
>> PDs, but they're more the exception.
>
>Or lousy lawyers.
Or great lawyers who have opted to remain with the PD's
office.
>You do realize that half of all the lawyers in this
>country graduated in the bottom half of their class right?
And half graduated at the top.
The same with doctors, teachers, pharmacists, pilots, etc.
So what would be your point here, beyond the same kind of
deception as you came up with on claiming PD's are getting
"contracts," from CPS?
>
>> These newbies need to make a name for themselves. Allowing
>> the defendants assigned to them to be convicted when an acquittal was
>> realistically possible won't get them the fame they want.
>> Private practice makes the money, but the attorneys need a
>> history to support the fees they charge.
>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >The REAL threat is probably NOT the BS criminal
>>>> >charge, unless she was intoxicated when the
>>>> >kid got out. The real threat to your daughter's
>>>> >family is the Child Protective Service "dependency court".
>>>>
>>>> >People will minimize the seriousness of "stipulating"
>>>> >and doing a "service plan", sadly even her OWN attorney.
>>>>
>>>> So you speak for the attorney now?
>>>>
>>>> >Basically it is a guilty plea and the agency will then
>>>> >make her jump through "services" hoops, jerk her around
>>>> >to prevent her from getting her kid back, as they see fit.
>>>>
>>>> That you have managed to keep Lisa's daughter away for eight
>>>> years, doesn't mean it will happen for others.
>>>>
>>
>> Les? No comment?
>
>About what?
About how Greg, doing as you would have parents do, has
managed to keep Lisa and her daughter apart for seven years.
>
>> BTW, I have the wrong number of years. It's seven. I have no
>> idea where I came up with eight.
>>
>
>Must have been a brain fart.
It was a mistake. Being human, I make them.
>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> >There was a story like this in the media recently where
>>>> >the child got out for the third such time and the
>>>> >authorities sounded like they were going to
>>>> >get tougher on that family.
>>>>
>>>> As they should.
>>>> Once can be excused. But three times? Clearly those
>>>> responsible for the safety of the child are NOT paying attention.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>In my state it's a catch 22. You get a kid who is smart enough to
>>>unlock a door, so you put a hook and eye or a dead bolt out of his
>>>reach and that call it a fire hazard. "Slows you down if you are
>>>trying to get out of the house in case of a fire." You can't win
>>>either way.
>>>
>>>Kids can be rather quick you know. This sort of thing can happen to
>>>anybody.
>>
>> Who said anything about hook and eye lock?
>
>It's a simple solution.
Not a wise one, if, as you show, it's a known fire hazard.
>
>> A door alarm would
>> work far better.
>
>Your paranoia is noted.
You see ensuring the safety of a child in one's care as
paranoia?
Interesting.
Clearly you really DO want parents to get involved with the
police and CPS. Why is that? Mere curiosity on my part.
>
>> It would not slow down one's escape in a fire, or
>> other emergency, but would allow everyone in the home to know the door
>> was opened.
>
>Until the kid figures out how to sneak around it.
Little toddler, Les. Older kids usually don't wander out
without having the ability to avoid trouble. This story, and many like
it, involved a toddler.
>
>> And they aren't terribly expensive. Especially when compared
>> to the cost of dealing with CPS or the cost of getting an attorney if
>> it's a criminal case.
>
>You know what? Most people don't feel the need.
Then they can face the consequences you seem to be wishing on
them, or, at the very least, setting them up for.
Do you spend a lot of time figure out how to give advice like
this, or does it just spring full blown from your forehead?
I can see a parent not using them and a child getting out
once. It can and does happen.
There is NO reason for it to happen three times, as is
reported to be the case in the matter that started this thread.
>I'm sure in some
>neighborhoods stuff like that would be necessary, but in the small towns,
>rural areas, people don't usually think they need to do things like that.
ON the contrary. Rural areas are full of hazards to kids. A
toddler can get into many dangerous things if they aren't supervised
properly.
Iowa is largely farm land. One can see any number of hazards
for adults as well as children. The difference is, an adult, heck,
most teens, will know how to minimize the dangers. The average
toddler will not.
>Kids sneak off all the time.
And drown, get hit by cars, chased and bitten or killed by
dogs. etc.
Don't you read the papers or do you really hate children and
their parents this much that you'd minimize this issue?
>Dealing with it is part of the learning
>experience of being a parent.
True. It was Number One Son's ability to get out of the house
at age three that prompted use to install alarms. It also serves as a
nice way to minimize the chance of a break-in.
>It usually doesn't happen more then once or
>twice.
It shouldn't happen more than once.
In the matter that started this discussion, it's reported to
have happened THREE times.
>The parents come up with some solution.
Often, though certainly not always, through motivation of a
cop showing up at their door telling them their child has been picked
up by CPS and they are being cited for neglect and failure to
supervise.
Amazing how motivating that can be to take this issue more
seriously than you seem to think they should.
>They thank God that nothing
>happened. Sometimes bad things happen. That's part of life. It doesn't
>make a parent neglectful unless it happens too often.
I'd say the third time is too often.
Once? Excusable. Especially for first time parents.
Twice? Well, the parents might have thought the child
understood that s/he can't go outside alone.
Three or more? There's NO excuse for that. It's poor
parenting, plane and simple.
>Hell, CPS could even
>help out by having these alarm systems installed for the parent.
CPS doesn't have the funding for that.
If a family doesn't have the means to have a professional
alarm company come in and do the installation, inexpensive alarms are
available. They won't be hooked up to a monitoring service, but the
volume of the alarm would be enough to alert those in the home that
the door was opened.
They make such devices for windows as well. A neat feature of
the window alarms is that they go off if the window is broken rather
than opened.
>That would
>be better then jumping off the deep end and snagging the kid, throwing the
>parent in jail and the kid in foster care, wouldn't you think?
The child in question isn't in foster care. She's with
Grandmother. And if the mother is in jail, there is something not
being revealed by the media piece.
People don't get jail time for neglect unless it's a long
standing problem. They might get the child removed and have to show up
in court, but jail is out of the question.
If, as you are implying, the mom is in jail, there's more to
the story than I currently know.
>
>
>> And before you whine about windows, they make alarms for them
>> as well. Also lest costly than dealing with CPS, etc.
>>
>
>Do you have alarms on your windows?
Yes. We have an infant in the home.
Her brother was able to get out once when he was only three.
While The Princess shows no indication that she wants to leave the
home without supervision, Lin and I would rather have the security
measures in place and not need them than need them and not have them.
To be fair, however,the company that installed the door alarms
included the windows at no additional cost.
>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> >What I'd like to know Barbara, is if you're rapidly
>>>> >coming to the realization that CPS is a corrupt
>>>> >bunch of goons?
>>>>
>>>> >You naively thought CPS is the good guys, didn't you?
>>>>
>>>> >Have you filed a motion to "intervene" to be a party yet?
>>>>
>>>> DO NOT follow Greg's advice!
>>>
>>>Nor the advice of this foster parent.
>>
>> Since I am not currently a foster parent (having an infant in
>> the home makes it an unrealistic option), your ad hom fails.
>
>Are you still liscenced?
Yes, though I fail to see the relevance. Licensed, or if I
were not, it wouldn't change my viewpoint.
>
>> That aside, has anything I've done kept a mom and child apart
>> for seven+ years? Nope.
>
>Sure it has. You provided a place for them to hide the kids.
Hide? Your proof the children who were placed in our home were
hidden please.
I'm waiting...
>
>> Of course, I would recommend someone seek Dan's advice on such
>> matters. He has a proven track record of getting parents and children
>> back together.
>>
>
>How is this proven?
By families posting their stories here. By Greg and others of
his kind treating them as genuine families, until, of course, the
families caught on to Greg and his daisy chain and avoided them.
Suddenly they all had to be trolls. Socks. Etc.
Yet Greg et al treated them as real enough when they thought
they could suck a little blood from them.
If you wish to create a standard that they can't be real if
they posted here, remember such doors swing both ways.
--
Kent
When cryptography is outlawed,
bayl bhgynjf jvyy unir cevinpl.
Kent Wills
>
>"Kent Wills" <comp...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>news:gsasq3hbpirm07mio...@4ax.com...
>> On Sat, 09 Feb 2008 16:26:27 GMT, " krp" <krp2...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>>>> Look out Sullivan is SURE you are on HIS side.................. Don't
>>>> make
>>>> him paranoid.
>>>> I wonder if they have found the leak in the TITANIC yet?
>>>
>>>< who me?
>>>
>>>
>>>Did YOU cause the leak in the Titanic?
>>
>> It's accepted that the Titanic hit an ice berg, rupturing the
>> hull.
>
>Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
>
Ever heard of mocking, Les?
Since it's accepted that Kenny-Bob made the whole thing up, I
was mocking him.
--
Kent
Slusho! You can't drink just six!
Kent Wills
But the Roma, especially the Welsh Roma, which you know I am a
part (reference your bigoted comment regarding Gypsies), use them A
LOT.
I was mocking you Kenny-Bob. Since you are alone in thinking
there is some massive Kenny Konspiracy [tm] initiated by Kane (All
Hail Kane!), I was laughing at you.
I didn't expect you to get it. I thought Les might.
--
Kent
"Si khohaimo may pachivalo sar o chachimo."
-- Mindj Kenny-Bob's hope.
Kent Wills
How's that kill file working, Kenny-Bob?
>On Feb 9, 4:38 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> News flash: PDs don't work for the DA's office or CPS. It's
>> true. They don't.
>> Generally, PDs are fairly new. Yes, there are some long term
>> PDs, but they're more the exception.
>> These newbies need to make a name for themselves. Allowing
>> the defendants assigned to them to be convicted when an acquittal was
>> realistically possible won't get them the fame they want.
>> Private practice makes the money, but the attorneys need a
>> history to support the fees they charge.
>
> True - PD's don't work IN the DA's office.
DUH!
Has anyone even IMPLIED they do? No.
>Generally their offices are
>down the hall or on a different floor.
In Polk County, Iowa they're in a completely different
building. The same in Cook and Du Page Counties in Illinois.
>But the same folks sign THEIR checks
>as sign those of the DA.
Oh really? Who would that be? What is the name/title of the
agency that signs both?
You clearly don't know anything about the legal system, Mr.
Consultant, beyond divorce cases. And you likely don't know much
there, if your posts are an accurate indication.
>As to the PD making a name for themselves, you're
>kidding right?
No.
The real money is in the private sector. However, no one is
going to hire someone who doesn't have the wins to support the fees
they want unless they are very stupid.
You likely would hire based on an add, but then you
consistently prove you're not that smart. Reference above where I
stated PD don't work FOR the DA's office (emphasis added) and you try
to claim I wrote IN the DA's office. (emphasis yours)
>When's the last time a "crusading public defender" hit the
>news with a brilliant defense?
I can't offer a cite, since few family court matters make the
news.
But hey,just tell folks that they need to hire a private
attorney. When's the last time you saw a brilliant private attorney
win a case with family court?
Again, few family court cases make the news, so you probably
can't offer a cite.
>Over 95% of the cases handled by the PD's
>offices are plea bargained.
Can you offer a cite for this? I think you're making it up,
but I'll check out any evidence you present to support the claim.
>Of the cases they take to trial you only rarely
>hear of an acquittal. That's why most folks refer to them as "public
>pretenders."
No, that's why the DA carefully vets family court cases before
taking them to TPR. Those cases tend to be a slam dunk already. Of
course, one can argue a prosecutor won't take a matter to trial that
s/he doesn't think can be proved beyond a reasonable doubt.
Not that the legal system itself can't do with a tune up
frequently.
>Of course what you find in the yellow pages isn't much
>different.
This newsgroup, as a source of support, advice, and real help
seems to be based on the Greg/Michael/Les/Kenny-Bob daisy chain
principle: "You're screwed, so start a revolution. The hell with your
kids!"
In reality, families win against CPS quite often if they have
GOOD advice and help. But you, and the rest of your daisy chain, are
"gee ain't it awful" peddlers. Winning once you've decided you've lost
is extremely difficult.
Your tactics will fail because you'll choose ones that are
proven to lose.
Reference Greg and his 7 years of failure.
>The majority are like PD's who only plea bargain but charge high
>fees to do the same throw the case that a PD will do for nothing. A REAL
>"trial attorney" Criminal Defense Lawyer is rare and never cheap. There are
>only a handful in any large city. Mr. Wills ignorance is staggering.
Kenny-Bob, you didn't even stop to think that one can't even
GET a PD unless one is indigent...so your argument is, being VERY
kind, just smoke and mirrors.
>Most
>defense lawyers are chosen based on their yellow pages ads,
Only by the very stupid.
> If they were
>chose on their actual track records, most would be on bread lines instead of
>driving a new Mercedes. Of course Kent was convicted himself so how would HE
>know?
>
What an odd claim buried in that question. If I'd been
convicted I'd certainly have some insight into the quality of council.
Of course, simply observing and analyzing cases gives one a good idea
of the quality of council.
Now take consultants, for instance, and their quality.
I don't think I'd engage one that argued about people CHOOSING
a PD over a private attorney. One doesn't GET a PD offered unless they
have no money to pay a private one.
See if you can get that figured out, dullard.
And fix your kill file. It's broken, still.
LK
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 09:08:17 GMT, " krp" <krp24...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
> >"LK" <patis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> >news:47ae8863$0$8637$4c36...@roadrunner.com...
> >>> [...]
>
> >>>>> Look out Sullivan is SURE you are on HIS side.................. Don't
> >>>>> make
> >>>>> him paranoid.
> >>>>> I wonder if they have found the leak in the TITANIC yet?
>
> >>>>< who me?
>
> >>>>Did YOU cause the leak in the Titanic?
>
> >>> It's accepted that the Titanic hit an ice berg, rupturing the
> >>> hull.
>
> >> Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
>
> >They don't use metaphors in Poland.
>
> But the Roma, especially the Welsh Roma, which you know I am a
> part (reference your bigoted comment regarding Gypsies), use them A
> LOT.
Oh how insightful.
> I was mocking you Kenny-Bob. Since you are alone in thinking
> there is some massive Kenny Konspiracy [tm] initiated by Kane (All
> Hail Kane!), I was laughing at you.
> I didn't expect you to get it. I thought Les might.
>
Have you been taking firemonkey's meds Kent?
Kent Wills
Jokes usually aren't true. That's part of the humor. As
such, your joke doesn't really work. :)
Kent Wills
Additional evidence of your bigotry noted. It's not as good
as the quote in my sig, but it does help.
Dan Sullivan
How did CPS know that, greg?
Kent Wills
Perhaps they should have.
>They knew very well that we don't use drugs.
So your intense stupidity is not the result of drug use? What
is the root cause of the low intellect you display on-line?
LK
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 10:06:16 -0800 (PST), Dan Sullivan
>
> >On Feb 10, 12:11 pm, LK <Patis...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Feb 10, 12:02 pm, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > KW > It's accepted that the Titanic hit
> >> > KW > an ice berg, rupturing the hull.
>
> >> > LK > Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
>
> >> > KRP > They don't use metaphors in Poland.
>
> >> > LK > That explains a lot.
>
> >> > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
>
> >> You mean like by sinking it all you have to do is put it in the water?
>
> >How 'bout this one...
>
> >CPS wanted greg hanson to take a urine test... he refused because he
> >didn't want to stay up all night studying.
>
> Jokes usually aren't true. That's part of the humor. As
> such, your joke doesn't really work. :)
>
krp
"LK" <Pati...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:233ee5b9-79a2-49fa...@d21g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
< That explains a lot.
I don't think they use toilets either.
krp
Oh how insightful.
If he were he'd sound less insane.
firemonkey
Dam, those multi -vitamin's for women are expensive, buy your own Kent!
LK
> "LK" <Patis...@gmail.com> wrote in message
Then why doesn't it work for her?
Greegor
DS > How did CPS know that, greg?
I don't know for sure.
Perhaps some of our past employment made that clear?
In 2001 the accusers were acutely aware of drug
activity by the Father, his brother and my SO's
adult siblings (divorced w kids, noncustodial)
and their other adult children.
Greegor
KW > Additional evidence of your bigotry noted.
KW > It's not as good as the quote in my sig, but it does help.
You never heard Ole and Lena jokes about Norwegians?
Touchy, Touchy!
Can't you laugh at your own white ethnicity, Kent?
_______ ___ if they can't take a joke!
Greegor
LK > Maybe you could hold the cup Greg is supposed to pee in.
That creeps me out on several levels!
Greegor
Firemonkey is such a fumblebutt I bet she just forgot her password.
Did you think she would ADMIT that?
Dan Sullivan
> On Feb 10, 2:54 pm, Dan Sullivan <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Feb 10, 1:18 pm, Greegor <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > KW > It's accepted that the Titanic hit
> > > KW > an ice berg, rupturing the hull.
>
> > > LK > Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
>
> > > KRP > They don't use metaphors in Poland.
>
> > > LK > That explains a lot.
>
> > > G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
>
> > > LK > You mean like by sinking it all you have to do is put it in the
> > > water?
>
> > > DS > How 'bout this one...
>
> > > DS > CPS wanted greg hanson to take a
> > > DS > urine test... he refused because he
> > > DS > didn't want to stay up all night studying.
>
> > > That's one thing CPS didn't dare ask of us.
> > > They knew very well that we don't use drugs.
>
> DS > How did CPS know that, greg?
>
> I don't know for sure.
You said "CPS didn't dare ask of us."
And "they knew very well we don't use drugs."
Now you're claiming that's simply unsubstantiated speculation.
Talk about flip flopping.
> Perhaps some of our past employment made that clear?
Such as?
> In 2001 the accusers were acutely aware of drug
> activity by the Father, his brother and my SO's
> adult siblings (divorced w kids, noncustodial)
> and their other adult children.
What does that have to do with CPS knowing "very well" that you didn't
use drugs?
If all those people were doing drugs around you CPS should have
assumed you were using, too.
You're so full of crap, greg.
It's no wonder you and pigborn are asshole buddies.
LK
He seemed interested in your body fluids. Don't ask me why.
Greegor
KW > an ice berg, rupturing the hull.
LK > Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
KRP > They don't use metaphors in Poland.
LK > That explains a lot.
G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
LK > You mean like by sinking it all you have
LK > to do is put it in the water?
DS > How 'bout this one...
DS > CPS wanted greg hanson to take a
DS > urine test... he refused because he
DS > didn't want to stay up all night studying.
G > That's one thing CPS didn't dare ask of us.
G > They knew very well that we don't use drugs.
DS > How did CPS know that, greg?
G > I don't know for sure.
DS > You said "CPS didn't dare ask of us."
G > And "they knew very well we don't use drugs."
DS > Now you're claiming that's simply unsubstantiated speculation.
DS > Talk about flip flopping.
Where's the flip flop? They didn't persue it in the least.
G > Perhaps some of our past employment made that clear?
DS > Such as?
You first, Dan!
G > In 2001 the accusers were acutely aware of drug
G > activity by the Father, his brother and my SO's
G > adult siblings (divorced w kids, noncustodial)
G > and their other adult children.
DS > What does that have to do with CPS knowing
DS > "very well" that you didn't use drugs?
It would enable the accusers to more acutely recognize
who does and who does NOT use drugs.
DS > If all those people were doing drugs around you CPS
DS > should have assumed you were using, too.
The key words "around you" make that a non sequitor.
Not in our home.
DS > You're so full of crap, greg.
DS > It's no wonder you and pigborn are asshole buddies.
You are Dan Sullivan!
Glad I could make your day, Dan!
Greegor
G > That creeps me out on several levels!
LK > He seemed interested in your body fluids. Don't ask me why.
Ya know, what's funny is that Kane used to threaten
using archives, and could not figure out what it
was such an impotent threat.
My response was to compare him to the character
in the classic movie "Dr. Strangelove" that saved
his bodily fluids in jars on shelves.
Teasing him about bodily fluids was a running joke
for some time.
Twilight Zone also had an episode where some
obsessive nutcase kept track of everything he
decided was evil, scribbled into a ledger for
use on some kind of judgement day.
Both of them would inform as to Donald L. Fisher's
character, personality and mental state.
Dan Sullivan
> KW > It's accepted that the Titanic hit
> KW > an ice berg, rupturing the hull.
>
> LK > Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
>
> KRP > They don't use metaphors in Poland.
>
> LK > That explains a lot.
>
> G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
>
> LK > You mean like by sinking it all you have
> LK > to do is put it in the water?
>
> DS > How 'bout this one...
>
> DS > CPS wanted greg hanson to take a
> DS > urine test... he refused because he
> DS > didn't want to stay up all night studying.
>
> G > That's one thing CPS didn't dare ask of us.
> G > They knew very well that we don't use drugs.
>
> DS > How did CPS know that, greg?
>
> G > I don't know for sure.
>
> DS > You said "CPS didn't dare ask of us."
>
> G > And "they knew very well we don't use drugs."
>
> DS > Now you're claiming that's simply unsubstantiated speculation.
> DS > Talk about flip flopping.
>
> Where's the flip flop? They didn't persue it in the least.
First you said " "they knew very well we don't use drugs."
And then you said you didn't know why.
> G > Perhaps some of our past employment made that clear?
>
> DS > Such as?
>
> You first, Dan!
Me first, what?
> G > In 2001 the accusers were acutely aware of drug
> G > activity by the Father, his brother and my SO's
> G > adult siblings (divorced w kids, noncustodial)
> G > and their other adult children.
>
> DS > What does that have to do with CPS knowing
> DS > "very well" that you didn't use drugs?
>
> It would enable the accusers to more acutely recognize
> who does and who does NOT use drugs.
But you said you didn't know why CPS knew you didn't use drugs.
> DS > If all those people were doing drugs around you CPS
> DS > should have assumed you were using, too.
>
> The key words "around you" make that a non sequitor.
> Not in our home.
>
> DS > You're so full of crap, greg.
>
> DS > It's no wonder you and pigborn are asshole buddies.
>
> You are Dan Sullivan!
Yes, I am Dan Sullivan.
Kent Wills
wrote:
[...]
>> >They don't use metaphors in Poland.
>>
>> But the Roma, especially the Welsh Roma, which you know I am a
>> part (reference your bigoted comment regarding Gypsies), use them A
>> LOT.
>
>Oh how insightful.
If Kenny-Bob's research of me is as complete as he would have
the readers believe, he would already know this.
And his bigoted remark indicates that he does.
>
>> I was mocking you Kenny-Bob. Since you are alone in thinking
>> there is some massive Kenny Konspiracy [tm] initiated by Kane (All
>> Hail Kane!), I was laughing at you.
>> I didn't expect you to get it. I thought Les might.
>>
>
>Have you been taking firemonkey's meds Kent?
Since I've not met FM in real life, I couldn't be taking her
meds, presuming she has any to take.
--
Kent
Ando gav bi zhuklesko shai piravel o manush bi destesko.
Kent Wills
<mehit...@gmail.com> wrote:
[..]
>> > I was mocking you Kenny-Bob. Since you are alone in thinking
>> > there is some massive Kenny Konspiracy [tm] initiated by Kane (All
>> > Hail Kane!), I was laughing at you.
>> > I didn't expect you to get it. I thought Les might.
>>
>> Have you been taking firemonkey's meds Kent?
>>
>
>Dam, those multi -vitamin's for women are expensive, buy your own Kent!
Aw, for Kane's sake!
I'm not allowed to take The Princess' Flintstone vitamins. I'm
not allowed your Women's vitamins with extra iron.
It's a conspiracy I tells ya! Probably started by the French
air force. They're behind all the really good ones you know :)
--
Kent
When the world ends, there'll be no more air. That's why it's
important to pollute the air now. Before it's too late. :)
Kent Wills
<Gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>KW to KRP > According to you, Greg somehow got into her Gmail account.
>
>Firemonkey is such a fumblebutt I bet she just forgot her password.
>
Kenny-Bob has accused you of the felony act. Obviously he
doesn't think that's what happened.
I wonder why he's taken to accusing you of committing a
felony? Do you have any insight into this? It's mere curiosity on my
part, since I'm of the opinion he LIED when he claimed it was you.
>Did you think she would ADMIT that?
Sure. If she simply forgot it, then recalled it later, she
would simply state something to the effect of. "I forgot it for a
while, but upon recalling it, I was able to get back into Gmail."
It's what rational, mentally stable people do when they make a
mistake.
Kent Wills
<Gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
>
>KW > Additional evidence of your bigotry noted.
>KW > It's not as good as the quote in my sig, but it does help.
>
>You never heard Ole and Lena jokes about Norwegians?
I haven't a clue who they are, so no.
>
>Touchy, Touchy!
>Can't you laugh at your own white ethnicity, Kent?
I find bigotry horrible no matter the
race/creed/color/ethnicity/etc. used. That you see nothing wrong with
it adds more evidence that you are the one who authored the bit that
appears in my .sig (not that it was ever in question).
>
>_______ ___ if they can't take a joke!
I love jokes.
The Princess told one not so long ago. I don't get it, but
Kev thinks it very funny.
Knock, knock.
Who's there?
Orange.
Orange who?
Orange because I can dance [The Princess does a little dance].
Again, I don't get it.
Kent Wills
wrote:
[...]
>> >How 'bout this one...
>>
>> >CPS wanted greg hanson to take a urine test... he refused because he
>> >didn't want to stay up all night studying.
>>
>> Jokes usually aren't true. That's part of the humor. As
>> such, your joke doesn't really work. :)
>>
>Maybe you could hold the cup Greg is supposed to pee in.
I don't think Greg is so stupid that he can't manage it on his
own.
--
Kent
Ethernet (n): Something used to catch the etherbunny.
Kent Wills
Not the least of which is that Les thinks your so incompetent
that you wouldn't be able to manage it on your own. :)
Kent Wills
<dsul...@optonline.net> wrote:
[...]
>> DS > You're so full of crap, greg.
>>
>> DS > It's no wonder you and pigborn are asshole buddies.
>>
>> You are Dan Sullivan!
>
>Yes, I am Dan Sullivan.
No, I am Dan Sullivan.
Hey, we're all Dan Sullivan on this bus :)
LK
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 12:31:27 -0800 (PST), LK <Patis...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> [...]
>
> >> >They don't use metaphors in Poland.
>
> >> But the Roma, especially the Welsh Roma, which you know I am a
> >> part (reference your bigoted comment regarding Gypsies), use them A
> >> LOT.
>
> >Oh how insightful.
>
> If Kenny-Bob's research of me is as complete as he would have
> the readers believe, he would already know this.
> And his bigoted remark indicates that he does.
>
>
>
> >> I was mocking you Kenny-Bob. Since you are alone in thinking
> >> there is some massive Kenny Konspiracy [tm] initiated by Kane (All
> >> Hail Kane!), I was laughing at you.
> >> I didn't expect you to get it. I thought Les might.
>
> >Have you been taking firemonkey's meds Kent?
>
> Since I've not met FM in real life, I couldn't be taking her
> meds, presuming she has any to take.
>
Were you labotomized then?
LK
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 14:50:49 -0800 (PST), Greegor
>
Are you mocking me Kent?
Kent Wills
<Gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>LK to Kent > Maybe you could hold the cup Greg is supposed to pee in.
>
>G > That creeps me out on several levels!
>
>LK > He seemed interested in your body fluids. Don't ask me why.
>
>Ya know, what's funny is that Kane used to threaten
>using archives, and could not figure out what it
>was such an impotent threat.
I don't see the connection between Les thinking you need a
drug test, and assistance in urinating, and Kane's use of archives.
Could you explain the link?
>
>My response was to compare him to the character
>in the classic movie "Dr. Strangelove" that saved
>his bodily fluids in jars on shelves.
>
>Teasing him about bodily fluids was a running joke
>for some time.
>
>Twilight Zone also had an episode where some
>obsessive nutcase kept track of everything he
>decided was evil, scribbled into a ledger for
>use on some kind of judgement day.
>
>Both of them would inform as to Donald L. Fisher's
>character, personality and mental state.
For Kane's sake! How deep does your obsession with Kane (All
Hail Kane!) go?
Hey, did you know one can buy use of a proxy? And as such they
can be ANYWHERE and a trace will terminate at the location of the
proxy?
It's not even hard to do. An e-mail request, provide payment,
and let the server manager set up the connection to an e-mail addy.
The address could be anything, why even comp...@gmail.com would work.
And, of course, it could have been subscribed to by yet another nym
addy, which could have been subscribed to with yet another nym addy,
etc. etc. etc.
[To further aide in understanding:
If you were able to gain access to the records, my Gmail
account will show I signed up via my Yahoo account. My Yahoo account
will show I signed up via my @home account. Since @home no longer
exists, and I didn't need an alternate E-mail when I subscribed, the
trail ends there.]
The trick is the anchoring through one proxy that is in
another location. Which, of course, would be anywhere in the world.
And where Kane (All Hail Kane!) is known to be... somewhere in
the world.
**IF** he actually exists at all as a real person.
Uh oh!
<Cue the hit from Beethoven's fifth>
Has no one considered that he might be either a group of
people working up posts, or trading off the chore on a rotating basis,
just like Public Defenders?
Of course not. Such a concept would be beyond the limited
intellect you and your daisy chain display.
Well, Michael might have considered it. He has the smarts. He
simply lacks the skills to use them.
<Cue VO>
Who knows evil lurks in the hearts of men? The shadow knows!
Sinister mocking laughter.
</VO>
Kane (All Hail Kane!) might have (or maybe is) masqueraded as
anyone in this newsgroup. Yes, he might be someone currently posting.
That person could be a long time regular, or someone new. Presuming
this is what's happening.
LK
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:57:50 -0800 (PST), Dan Sullivan
>
>
> [...]
>
> >> DS > You're so full of crap, greg.
>
> >> DS > It's no wonder you and pigborn are asshole buddies.
>
> >> You are Dan Sullivan!
>
> >Yes, I am Dan Sullivan.
>
> No, I am Dan Sullivan.
>
> Hey, we're all Dan Sullivan on this bus :)
>
> --
> Kent
> Ethernet (n): Something used to catch the etherbunny.
Now if anybody else had said that, Kent would have corrected them.
Dan Sullivan
>
>
> [...]
>
> >> DS > You're so full of crap, greg.
>
> >> DS > It's no wonder you and pigborn are asshole buddies.
>
> >> You are Dan Sullivan!
>
> >Yes, I am Dan Sullivan.
>
> No, I am Dan Sullivan.
>
> Hey, we're all Dan Sullivan on this bus :)
Yeah, well, I'm gonna learn to play the flute and live in a tree!
krp
> > >>>>> Look out Sullivan is SURE you are on HIS side..................
> > >>>>> Don't
> > >>>>> make
> > >>>>> him paranoid.
> > >>>>> I wonder if they have found the leak in the TITANIC yet?
>
> > >>>>< who me?
>
> > >>>>Did YOU cause the leak in the Titanic?
>
> > >>> It's accepted that the Titanic hit an ice berg, rupturing the
> > >>> hull.
>
> > >> Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
>
> > >They don't use metaphors in Poland.
>
> > But the Roma, especially the Welsh Roma, which you know I am a
> > part (reference your bigoted comment regarding Gypsies), use them A
> > LOT.
>
> Oh how insightful.
>
> > I was mocking you Kenny-Bob. Since you are alone in thinking
> > there is some massive Kenny Konspiracy [tm] initiated by Kane (All
> > Hail Kane!), I was laughing at you.
> > I didn't expect you to get it. I thought Les might.
>
> < Have you been taking firemonkey's meds Kent?
>
> If he were he'd sound less insane.
< Then why doesn't it work for her?
There are limits to even the miracles of chemistry.
Kent Wills
wrote:
>On Feb 10, 8:54 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
You:
Maybe you could hold the cup Greg is supposed to pee in.
Me:
I don't think Greg is so stupid that he can't manage it on his
own.
You clearly think Greg is in need of a drug test and that he
needs assistance in holding the cup.
Don't make such claims during business hours. He might sue
for sexual harassment.
--
Kent
Slusho! You can't drink just six!
Kent Wills
wrote:
>On Feb 10, 9:15 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
It's good to know that you are psychic.
Did you miss the smiley? That indicates a joke is being made.
And since most of my jokes are lame, I NEED the smiley. no joke
there. Few of my jokes manage to be funny.
LK
> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 18:42:06 -0800 (PST), LK <Patis...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 10, 9:15 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Sun, 10 Feb 2008 16:57:50 -0800 (PST), Dan Sullivan
>
> >> <dsull...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
> >> [...]
>
> >> >> DS > You're so full of crap, greg.
>
> >> >> DS > It's no wonder you and pigborn are asshole buddies.
>
> >> >> You are Dan Sullivan!
>
> >> >Yes, I am Dan Sullivan.
>
> >> No, I am Dan Sullivan.
>
> >> Hey, we're all Dan Sullivan on this bus :)
>
> >> --
> >> Kent
> >> Ethernet (n): Something used to catch the etherbunny.
>
> >Now if anybody else had said that, Kent would have corrected them.
>
> It's good to know that you are psychic.
> Did you miss the smiley? That indicates a joke is being made.
> And since most of my jokes are lame, I NEED the smiley. no joke
> there. Few of my jokes manage to be funny.
>
Can't argue with the lame part.
TNKev
> KW > It's accepted that the Titanic hit
> KW > an ice berg, rupturing the hull.
>
> LK > Ever heard of a metaphore Kent?
>
> KRP > They don't use metaphors in Poland.
>
> LK > That explains a lot.
>
>
> water?
>
> DS > How 'bout this one...
>
> DS > urine test... he refused because he
> DS > didn't want to stay up all night studying.
>
> That's one thing CPS didn't dare ask of us.
they probably know you *are* on drugs and wanted to help keep the kid
with her mother,but you showed them didn't you.
hva herom stolpe er Norsk for resten denne angivelse?
TNKev
> G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
>
> KW > Additional evidence of your bigotry noted.
> KW > It's not as good as the quote in my sig, but it does help.
>
> You never heard Ole and Lena jokes about Norwegians?
>
> Touchy, Touchy!
> Can't you laugh at your own white ethnicity, Kent?
Kent did you become Norwegian somehow and I missed it?
>
> _______ ___ if they can't take a joke!
>
Is this just another example of your bigotry Greg?
You aren't Norwegian are you Greg?
LK
The ability to laugh at oneself is a virtue.
Greegor
I kinda suspected you for a leprechaun.
Dan Sullivan
> DS > Yeah, well, I'm gonna learn to play the flute and live in a tree!
>
> I kinda suspected you for a leprechaun.
Right over your head, as usual, greg.
Don't crush that dwarf, hand me the pliers.
Kent Wills
wrote:
>Greegor wrote:
>> G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
>>
>> KW > Additional evidence of your bigotry noted.
>> KW > It's not as good as the quote in my sig, but it does help.
>>
>> You never heard Ole and Lena jokes about Norwegians?
>>
>> Touchy, Touchy!
>> Can't you laugh at your own white ethnicity, Kent?
>
>Kent did you become Norwegian somehow and I missed it?
Not as far as I know. But then, Greg knows far more about me
than I do.
For example, he knows I'm both Kent T. AND Kent B. Wills, at
the same time.
>
>>
>> _______ ___ if they can't take a joke!
>>
>
>
>Is this just another example of your bigotry Greg?
>
>
>You aren't Norwegian are you Greg?
>
He claims to be of Scandinavian heritage. I have no way to
confirm or deny this, so I'll accept it. It's not like it really
matters anyway.
Kent Wills
Oh for Kane's sake!
Perhaps a telling of "The Tale of the Giant Rat of Sumatra" is
in order. It will pass the time while we're "Waiting for the
Electrician or Someone Like Him."
TNKev
thank you!
LK
No problem.
Greegor
KW > Additional evidence of your bigotry noted.
KW > It's not as good as the quote in my sig, but it does help.
G > You never heard Ole and Lena jokes about Norwegians?
G > Touchy, Touchy!
G > Can't you laugh at your own white ethnicity, Kent?
> Kent did you become Norwegian somehow and I missed it?
G > _______ ___ if they can't take a joke!
TN Kev > Is this just another example of your bigotry Greg?
TN Kev > You aren't Norwegian are you Greg?
Minnesota mix, mostly Norwegian ancestry.
Uffda! Ya sure, you betcha by golly!
Kent Wills
Wow. The racist rant, written by one Greg Hanson, mentions
Duluth, Minnesota.
Interesting, no?
LK
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:35:04 -0800 (PST), Greegor
>
> >G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
>
> >KW > Additional evidence of your bigotry noted.
> >KW > It's not as good as the quote in my sig, but it does help.
>
> >G > You never heard Ole and Lena jokes about Norwegians?
>
> >G > Touchy, Touchy!
> >G > Can't you laugh at your own white ethnicity, Kent?
>
> >> Kent did you become Norwegian somehow and I missed it?
>
> >G > _______ ___ if they can't take a joke!
>
> >TN Kev > Is this just another example of your bigotry Greg?
>
> >TN Kev > You aren't Norwegian are you Greg?
>
> >Minnesota mix, mostly Norwegian ancestry.
> >Uffda! Ya sure, you betcha by golly!
>
> Wow. The racist rant, written by one Greg Hanson, mentions
> Duluth, Minnesota.
> Interesting, no?
Kent, how is picking on someone who is polish racist? Are they not
white? Are not people of Norwegian decent white? Are the polish their
own race? Race has to do with the color of ones skin, does it not? A
single race can come from many different ethnic backgrounds. The
Brittish and the French for example are two different ethnic groups of
the same race. The Chinese and Japanese are two different ethnic
groups of the same race.
Enlighten me. Why is it "racist" to pick on you because your Polish?
dragonsgirl
****Because to harass or make fun of someone for something that is beyond
their control is racist, sexist, etc.
TNKev
> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:35:04 -0800 (PST), Greegor
> <Gree...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
>>
>> KW > Additional evidence of your bigotry noted.
>> KW > It's not as good as the quote in my sig, but it does help.
>>
>> G > You never heard Ole and Lena jokes about Norwegians?
>>
>> G > Touchy, Touchy!
>> G > Can't you laugh at your own white ethnicity, Kent?
>>
>>> Kent did you become Norwegian somehow and I missed it?
>> G > _______ ___ if they can't take a joke!
>>
>> TN Kev > Is this just another example of your bigotry Greg?
>>
>> TN Kev > You aren't Norwegian are you Greg?
>>
>> Minnesota mix, mostly Norwegian ancestry.
>> Uffda! Ya sure, you betcha by golly!
>
> Wow. The racist rant, written by one Greg Hanson, mentions
> Duluth, Minnesota.
> Interesting, no?
>
EXACTLY! and closely followed by a long C&P screed about how he isn't a
racist.
TNKev
Greg? just as stupid as Greg anyway.
read it again, "the racist rant,written by one Greg Hanson,mentions
Deluth MN."
Kent is referencing another post.
Kent Wills
wrote:
>On Feb 12, 9:55 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:35:04 -0800 (PST), Greegor
>>
>> <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
>>
>> >KW > Additional evidence of your bigotry noted.
>> >KW > It's not as good as the quote in my sig, but it does help.
>>
>> >G > You never heard Ole and Lena jokes about Norwegians?
>>
>> >G > Touchy, Touchy!
>> >G > Can't you laugh at your own white ethnicity, Kent?
>>
>> >> Kent did you become Norwegian somehow and I missed it?
>>
>> >G > _______ ___ if they can't take a joke!
>>
>> >TN Kev > Is this just another example of your bigotry Greg?
>>
>> >TN Kev > You aren't Norwegian are you Greg?
>>
>> >Minnesota mix, mostly Norwegian ancestry.
>> >Uffda! Ya sure, you betcha by golly!
>>
>> Wow. The racist rant, written by one Greg Hanson, mentions
>> Duluth, Minnesota.
>> Interesting, no?
>
>Kent, how is picking on someone who is polish racist?
I am from Poland, but as you know (I've mentioned it here, and
Kenny-Bob used it as a means to express his bigotry), my heritage is
Welsh Roma.
>Are they not
>white? Are not people of Norwegian decent white? Are the polish their
>own race? Race has to do with the color of ones skin, does it not? A
>single race can come from many different ethnic backgrounds. The
>Brittish and the French for example are two different ethnic groups of
>the same race. The Chinese and Japanese are two different ethnic
>groups of the same race.
>
>Enlighten me. Why is it "racist" to pick on you because your Polish?
>
Nice attempt at diffusion. It's about to fail.
Read what Greg Hanson wrote:
" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
Note that Greg Hanson doesn't mention any specific races. Just
minorities. As Greg Hanson means the term, minorities mean any group
who are not white.
My racial background had no influence on what Greg Hanson
wrote at http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson
--
Kent
Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons...
for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
LK
> On Tue, 12 Feb 2008 19:46:40 -0800 (PST), LK <Patis...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 12, 9:55 pm, Kent Wills <compu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Mon, 11 Feb 2008 21:35:04 -0800 (PST), Greegor
>
> >> <Greego...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >G > Is this like a joke about a Polish lifeboat?
>
> >> >KW > Additional evidence of your bigotry noted.
> >> >KW > It's not as good as the quote in my sig, but it does help.
>
> >> >G > You never heard Ole and Lena jokes about Norwegians?
>
> >> >G > Touchy, Touchy!
> >> >G > Can't you laugh at your own white ethnicity, Kent?
>
> >> >> Kent did you become Norwegian somehow and I missed it?
>
> >> >G > _______ ___ if they can't take a joke!
>
> >> >TN Kev > Is this just another example of your bigotry Greg?
>
> >> >TN Kev > You aren't Norwegian are you Greg?
>
> >> >Minnesota mix, mostly Norwegian ancestry.
> >> >Uffda! Ya sure, you betcha by golly!
>
> >> Wow. The racist rant, written by one Greg Hanson, mentions
> >> Duluth, Minnesota.
> >> Interesting, no?
>
> >Kent, how is picking on someone who is polish racist?
>
> I am from Poland, but as you know (I've mentioned it here, and
> Kenny-Bob used it as a means to express his bigotry), my heritage is
> Welsh Roma.
>
So your a Gypsie then?
Interesting.
So it's ok to call you stupid, but not a stupid polak right? I mean,
I don't want to offend anyone or anything.
> >Are they not
> >white? Are not people of Norwegian decent white? Are the polish their
> >own race? Race has to do with the color of ones skin, does it not? A
> >single race can come from many different ethnic backgrounds. The
> >Brittish and the French for example are two different ethnic groups of
> >the same race. The Chinese and Japanese are two different ethnic
> >groups of the same race.
>
> >Enlighten me. Why is it "racist" to pick on you because your Polish?
>
> Nice attempt at diffusion. It's about to fail.
I wasn't attempting to diffuse anything.
> Read what Greg Hanson wrote:
Okay.
>
> " ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
> minority overpopulation,
So teaching them methods of birth control would be a bad thing? If
they can't afford to care for 12 kids, then perhaps they shouldn't be
pumping them out one right after the other.
> repatriate minorities abroad,
In regards to minorities who could be considered to be "foreigners,"
many are here illegally. Why shouldn't we send them home?
> imprison more
> minorities,
If they commit "more" crimes, absoloutely.
> increase use of the death penalty
If they commit more serious crimes, why not? Could go for any race.
> and divest minorities of
> the power they have usurped over us in recent years.
We've all lost rights over the past several years. Smokers can't
smoke inside the workplace, although I could ten years ago but the non
smokers have cried too much about it. You can't tell jokes at work
that could offend anyone. Hell when I was a kid, my father was a
truck driver I used to go with him and wherever we went to do a
delivery, a lot of these guys used to have Playboy centerfolds hanging
up here or there. Now you can't even have that in a mens bathroom
because the cleaning lady might get offended. I'm not saying I agree
with it or disagree with a lot of these changes, some I do, some I
don't, I'm just stating an observation.
> That would
> address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
>
He is entitled to his view. And if you were offended by his words,
then either you misunderstood them or they had their intended effect.
I personally don't let shit like that bother me. I'll read it,
consider it, agree or disagree and leave it at that. Political
Correctness is way over done these days where it has evolved to the
point of anal-retentivity. Sooner or later they're going to start
calling white people "European Americans" because the term "white"
will become offensive. And realistically, nobody is going to start
killing off minorities. So I don't know what your worried about.
There is a nursery rhyme I learned when I was a kid, maybe it will
help you. It goes like this...
Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me.
> Note that Greg Hanson doesn't mention any specific races. Just
> minorities.
See, like you said, he's not pointing at any specific group.
> As Greg Hanson means the term, minorities mean any group
> who are not white.
Actually, white is becoming the minority. If you ad up all the other
groups together, that is.
So maybe you're over-reacting just a bit.
> My racial background had no influence on what Greg Hanson
> wrote athttp://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson
TNKev
riiiiight!
>
>>> Are they not
>>> white? Are not people of Norwegian decent white? Are the polish their
>>> own race? Race has to do with the color of ones skin, does it not? A
>>> single race can come from many different ethnic backgrounds. The
>>> Brittish and the French for example are two different ethnic groups of
>>> the same race. The Chinese and Japanese are two different ethnic
>>> groups of the same race.
>>> Enlighten me. Why is it "racist" to pick on you because your Polish?
>> Nice attempt at diffusion. It's about to fail.
>
> I wasn't attempting to diffuse anything.
>
>> Read what Greg Hanson wrote:
>
> Okay.
>
>> " ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
>> minority overpopulation,
>
> So teaching them methods of birth control would be a bad thing? If
> they can't afford to care for 12 kids, then perhaps they shouldn't be
> pumping them out one right after the other.
>
Them? they? who are "them" and "they"? not trying to offend anyone.
>> repatriate minorities abroad,
>
> In regards to minorities who could be considered to be "foreigners,"
> many are here illegally. Why shouldn't we send them home?
but Greg wasn't implying "foreigners" he *stated* "minorities" which
would imply skin color or country of origin makes no difference.His
definition of "Minority" isn't there.
>
>> imprison more
>> minorities,
>
> If they commit "more" crimes, absoloutely.
>
>> increase use of the death penalty
>
> If they commit more serious crimes, why not? Could go for any race.
>
>> and divest minorities of
>> the power they have usurped over us in recent years.
>
> We've all lost rights over the past several years. Smokers can't
> smoke inside the workplace, although I could ten years ago but the non
> smokers have cried too much about it. You can't tell jokes at work
> that could offend anyone. Hell when I was a kid, my father was a
> truck driver I used to go with him and wherever we went to do a
> delivery, a lot of these guys used to have Playboy centerfolds hanging
> up here or there. Now you can't even have that in a mens bathroom
> because the cleaning lady might get offended. I'm not saying I agree
> with it or disagree with a lot of these changes, some I do, some I
> don't, I'm just stating an observation.
>
>> That would
>> address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
>>
>
> He is entitled to his view. And if you were offended by his words,
so you are saying those *are* greegor's words.
> then either you misunderstood them or they had their intended effect.
and you are saying he wrote it with the intent to make "minorities" angry.
> I personally don't let shit like that bother me. I'll read it,
> consider it, agree or disagree and leave it at that. Political
> Correctness is way over done these days where it has evolved to the
> point of anal-retentivity. Sooner or later they're going to start
> calling white people "European Americans" because the term "white"
> will become offensive. And realistically, nobody is going to start
> killing off minorities. So I don't know what your worried about.
Greg doesn't want "minorities" killed he wants them moved out of his
state so they won't be hogging all his free stuff.
>
> There is a nursery rhyme I learned when I was a kid, maybe it will
> help you. It goes like this...
>
> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me.
>
>
>> Note that Greg Hanson doesn't mention any specific races. Just
>> minorities.
>
> See, like you said, he's not pointing at any specific group.
just ones he feels are less than him,he is a bigot and he thinks he
isn't a "minority"
>
>> As Greg Hanson means the term, minorities mean any group
>> who are not white.
>
> Actually, white is becoming the minority. If you ad up all the other
> groups together, that is.
typical racist statement.
>
> So maybe you're over-reacting just a bit.
maybe you shouldn't be defending a child abusing bigot.
Kent Wills
wrote:
[...]
>> >Kent, how is picking on someone who is polish racist?
>>
>> I am from Poland, but as you know (I've mentioned it here, and
>> Kenny-Bob used it as a means to express his bigotry), my heritage is
>> Welsh Roma.
>>
>
>So your a Gypsie then?
>
The derogatory term you want is Gypsy.
For some reason, people once thought the Roma came from Egypt.
This is where the derogatory term Gypsy came.
>Interesting.
>
>So it's ok to call you stupid, but not a stupid polak right? I mean,
>I don't want to offend anyone or anything.
Since I consistently prove myself smarter than you, calling me
stupid would be inaccurate. It's difficult to be offended at
inaccuracy.
It's easy to be amused, but not offended.
>
>> >Are they not
>> >white? Are not people of Norwegian decent white? Are the polish their
>> >own race? Race has to do with the color of ones skin, does it not? A
>> >single race can come from many different ethnic backgrounds. The
>> >Brittish and the French for example are two different ethnic groups of
>> >the same race. The Chinese and Japanese are two different ethnic
>> >groups of the same race.
>>
>> >Enlighten me. Why is it "racist" to pick on you because your Polish?
>>
>> Nice attempt at diffusion. It's about to fail.
>
>I wasn't attempting to diffuse anything.
You were, of course. Since that failed, you're trying to
minimize what Greg Hanson wrote.
>
>> Read what Greg Hanson wrote:
>
>Okay.
>
>>
>> " ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
>> minority overpopulation,
>
>So teaching them methods of birth control would be a bad thing? If
>they can't afford to care for 12 kids, then perhaps they shouldn't be
>pumping them out one right after the other.
>
Birth control was not the intended meaning in the context of
the writing.
>> repatriate minorities abroad,
>
>In regards to minorities who could be considered to be "foreigners,"
>many are here illegally. Why shouldn't we send them home?
>
If they're here illegally, they should be deported.
That's NOT what the article meant, though.
Funny thing. Unless Greg Hanson is Native American, his roots
lie in another country. I guess he'll be first on the plane to leave,
huh?
>> imprison more
>> minorities,
>
>If they commit "more" crimes, absoloutely.
>
Do you hold the opinion that minorities commit more crimes?
>> increase use of the death penalty
>
>If they commit more serious crimes, why not? Could go for any race.
But Greg Hanson has limited his comments to minorities.
>
>> and divest minorities of
>> the power they have usurped over us in recent years.
>
>We've all lost rights over the past several years.
I haven't. What rights have you lost?
>Smokers can't
>smoke inside the workplace, although I could ten years ago but the non
>smokers have cried too much about it.
Could you cite in the Constitution (Federal or State) where
the right to smoke in the work place is acknowledged, let alone
protected?
Hint: Smoking is NOT a right. It's legal for one to do in
some places, illegal in other, but it's not a RIGHT anywhere.
>You can't tell jokes at work
>that could offend anyone. Hell when I was a kid, my father was a
>truck driver I used to go with him and wherever we went to do a
>delivery, a lot of these guys used to have Playboy centerfolds hanging
>up here or there. Now you can't even have that in a mens bathroom
>because the cleaning lady might get offended.
Do you think sexual harassment is a right?
>I'm not saying I agree
>with it or disagree with a lot of these changes, some I do, some I
>don't, I'm just stating an observation.
You've not cited anything that shows a loss of any rights.
>
>> That would
>> address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
>>
>
>He is entitled to his view.
Agreed.
Greg Hanson does have the right to his beliefs. He has the
right to express his beliefs.
Those who don't share his vile world view have the right to
express their distaste for said view.
>And if you were offended by his words,
>then either you misunderstood them or they had their intended effect.
I think Greg Hanson's meaning was and is very clear. And
given the purpose of the nationalist.org web site (white supremacy),
the meaning can't be misunderstood.
>I personally don't let shit like that bother me. I'll read it,
>consider it, agree or disagree and leave it at that. Political
>Correctness is way over done these days where it has evolved to the
>point of anal-retentivity. Sooner or later they're going to start
>calling white people "European Americans" because the term "white"
>will become offensive.
Please don't do something as racist as hyphenating anyone.
My mother-in-law had a PC woman almost in tears because the
woman called her a Hispanic-American.
"I am an American. I am not a hyphen, you racist [expletive
deleted]!"
I had to leave for fear of laughing so hard that I might lose
control of various bodily functions. My mother-in-law wasn't joking,
however.
>And realistically, nobody is going to start
>killing off minorities. So I don't know what your worried about.
When did I claim I was or am worried?
There are those who would kill a member of a minority if they
could get away with it. I don't know that Greg Hanson would, but it's
clear from his writing that he wouldn't shed a single tear if someone
did.
>
>There is a nursery rhyme I learned when I was a kid, maybe it will
>help you. It goes like this...
>
>Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me.
Leaving out the fact that it doesn't rhyme; They certainly
appear to hurt our Greg.
Of course, the whole point is to prove to Greg that people
with the same first and last name are not all the same person. He's
not yet caught on.
>
>
>> Note that Greg Hanson doesn't mention any specific races. Just
>> minorities.
>
>See, like you said, he's not pointing at any specific group.
>
Other than, by virtue of where it was posted, whites being in
some way superior to any other racial or ethnic demographic.
>> As Greg Hanson means the term, minorities mean any group
>> who are not white.
>
>Actually, white is becoming the minority. If you ad up all the other
>groups together, that is.
I do hope I've misunderstood your position.
Do you see it as whites vs. everyone else?
>
>So maybe you're over-reacting just a bit.
Greg Hanson has written what he wrote. The meaning is very
clear.
>
>> My racial background had no influence on what Greg Hanson
>> wrote at http://www.nationalist.org/ATW/2000/040101.html#Hanson
--
" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
Kent Wills
wrote:
[...]
>> So your a Gypsie then?
>>
>> Interesting.
>>
>> So it's ok to call you stupid, but not a stupid polak right? I mean,
>> I don't want to offend anyone or anything.
>
>riiiiight!
Les' goal is to offend.
>
>>
>>>> Are they not
>>>> white? Are not people of Norwegian decent white? Are the polish their
>>>> own race? Race has to do with the color of ones skin, does it not? A
>>>> single race can come from many different ethnic backgrounds. The
>>>> Brittish and the French for example are two different ethnic groups of
>>>> the same race. The Chinese and Japanese are two different ethnic
>>>> groups of the same race.
>>>> Enlighten me. Why is it "racist" to pick on you because your Polish?
>>> Nice attempt at diffusion. It's about to fail.
>>
>> I wasn't attempting to diffuse anything.
>>
>>> Read what Greg Hanson wrote:
>>
>> Okay.
>>
>>> " ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
>>> minority overpopulation,
>>
>> So teaching them methods of birth control would be a bad thing? If
>> they can't afford to care for 12 kids, then perhaps they shouldn't be
>> pumping them out one right after the other.
>>
>
>Them? they? who are "them" and "they"? not trying to offend anyone.
>
While having an abundance of children is possible for any
racial/ethnic demographic, it's usually the Hispanics who get pointed
to for it.
>>> repatriate minorities abroad,
>>
>> In regards to minorities who could be considered to be "foreigners,"
>> many are here illegally. Why shouldn't we send them home?
>
>but Greg wasn't implying "foreigners" he *stated* "minorities" which
>would imply skin color or country of origin makes no difference.His
>definition of "Minority" isn't there.
>
Not directly.
Since the comment appears on a white supremacy site, the
meaning is hard to miss.
>
>>
>>> imprison more
>>> minorities,
>>
>> If they commit "more" crimes, absoloutely.
>>
>>> increase use of the death penalty
>>
>> If they commit more serious crimes, why not? Could go for any race.
>>
>>> and divest minorities of
>>> the power they have usurped over us in recent years.
>>
>> We've all lost rights over the past several years. Smokers can't
>> smoke inside the workplace, although I could ten years ago but the non
>> smokers have cried too much about it. You can't tell jokes at work
>> that could offend anyone. Hell when I was a kid, my father was a
>> truck driver I used to go with him and wherever we went to do a
>> delivery, a lot of these guys used to have Playboy centerfolds hanging
>> up here or there. Now you can't even have that in a mens bathroom
>> because the cleaning lady might get offended. I'm not saying I agree
>> with it or disagree with a lot of these changes, some I do, some I
>> don't, I'm just stating an observation.
>>
>>> That would
>>> address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
>>>
>>
>> He is entitled to his view. And if you were offended by his words,
>
>so you are saying those *are* greegor's words.
They are the words of Greg Hanson. No one is disputing this.
>
>> then either you misunderstood them or they had their intended effect.
>
>and you are saying he wrote it with the intent to make "minorities" angry.
>
It's possible, however unlikely.
>> I personally don't let shit like that bother me. I'll read it,
>> consider it, agree or disagree and leave it at that. Political
>> Correctness is way over done these days where it has evolved to the
>> point of anal-retentivity. Sooner or later they're going to start
>> calling white people "European Americans" because the term "white"
>> will become offensive. And realistically, nobody is going to start
>> killing off minorities. So I don't know what your worried about.
>
>Greg doesn't want "minorities" killed he wants them moved out of his
>state so they won't be hogging all his free stuff.
Heheheheheh.
>
>>
>> There is a nursery rhyme I learned when I was a kid, maybe it will
>> help you. It goes like this...
>>
>> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me.
>>
>>
>>> Note that Greg Hanson doesn't mention any specific races. Just
>>> minorities.
>>
>> See, like you said, he's not pointing at any specific group.
>
>just ones he feels are less than him,he is a bigot and he thinks he
>isn't a "minority"
>
Oddly worded, but a good point.
Bigots are a minority. As such, Greg Hanson should be first
in line to leave, since he sees minorities as a bad thing :)
>>
>>> As Greg Hanson means the term, minorities mean any group
>>> who are not white.
>>
>> Actually, white is becoming the minority. If you ad up all the other
>> groups together, that is.
>
>typical racist statement.
That's how I took it. I hope it's a case of Les not wording
his comment as intended.
>
>>
>> So maybe you're over-reacting just a bit.
>
>maybe you shouldn't be defending a child abusing bigot.
Les and Greg are, from what I can gather, co-workers and
friends in real life. If this is correct, then his defending Greg
makes some sense.
I don't mean defending Greg Hanson's right to his vile world
view, and the right to express that view. I would defend that right.
I would hope that everyone here would defend that.
However, Les is going beyond defending Greg Hanson's right to
his views and the right to express them. He's trying to rationalize
them.
--
" ... But there ought to be conferences and studies on how to curb
minority overpopulation, repatriate minorities abroad, imprison more
minorities, increase use of the death penalty and divest minorities of
the power they have usurped over us in recent years. That would
address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
LK
"TNKev" <thekul...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fp1ka1$mv0$1...@news.datemas.de...
>>> repatriate minorities abroad,
>>
>> In regards to minorities who could be considered to be "foreigners,"
>> many are here illegally. Why shouldn't we send them home?
>
> but Greg wasn't implying "foreigners" he *stated* "minorities" which would
> imply skin color or country of origin makes no difference.His definition
> of "Minority" isn't there.
>
It was an example.
>
>>
>>> imprison more
>>> minorities,
>>
>> If they commit "more" crimes, absoloutely.
>>
>>> increase use of the death penalty
>>
>> If they commit more serious crimes, why not? Could go for any race.
>>
>>> and divest minorities of
>>> the power they have usurped over us in recent years.
>>
>> We've all lost rights over the past several years. Smokers can't
>> smoke inside the workplace, although I could ten years ago but the non
>> smokers have cried too much about it. You can't tell jokes at work
>> that could offend anyone. Hell when I was a kid, my father was a
>> truck driver I used to go with him and wherever we went to do a
>> delivery, a lot of these guys used to have Playboy centerfolds hanging
>> up here or there. Now you can't even have that in a mens bathroom
>> because the cleaning lady might get offended. I'm not saying I agree
>> with it or disagree with a lot of these changes, some I do, some I
>> don't, I'm just stating an observation.
>>
>>> That would
>>> address the most pressing problems of our day. ... "
>>>
>>
>> He is entitled to his view. And if you were offended by his words,
>
> so you are saying those *are* greegor's words.
>
No, you are. I don't know if those are gregor's words or not.
>> then either you misunderstood them or they had their intended effect.
>
> and you are saying he wrote it with the intent to make "minorities" angry.
>
I didn't say he wrote them. I must have missed the original post. I don't
sit in front of usenet all day reading every single post. I have a life.
>> I personally don't let shit like that bother me. I'll read it,
>> consider it, agree or disagree and leave it at that. Political
>> Correctness is way over done these days where it has evolved to the
>> point of anal-retentivity. Sooner or later they're going to start
>> calling white people "European Americans" because the term "white"
>> will become offensive. And realistically, nobody is going to start
>> killing off minorities. So I don't know what your worried about.
>
> Greg doesn't want "minorities" killed he wants them moved out of his state
> so they won't be hogging all his free stuff.
>
Again, he is entitled to his opinion.
>>
>> There is a nursery rhyme I learned when I was a kid, maybe it will
>> help you. It goes like this...
>>
>> Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names can never hurt me.
>>
>>
>>> Note that Greg Hanson doesn't mention any specific races. Just
>>> minorities.
>>
>> See, like you said, he's not pointing at any specific group.
>
> just ones he feels are less than him,he is a bigot and he thinks he isn't
> a "minority"
>
That's his choice.
>>
>>> As Greg Hanson means the term, minorities mean any group
>>> who are not white.
>>
>> Actually, white is becoming the minority. If you ad up all the other
>> groups together, that is.
>
> typical racist statement.
>
Just stating an observation.
>>
>> So maybe you're over-reacting just a bit.
>
> maybe you shouldn't be defending a child abusing bigot.
>
So judgemental.