CPS vulnerable on Medicaid fraud charges
Fern5827
Medicaid dollars are used for CPS. Maine, and now Illinois. I have always
appended Medicaid fraud to many of recent postings which talked of
institutional fraud.
Oh, I forgot the California Corruption Case, recently brought to light in
Stanislaus County. The ones where Foster Care moves enabled scammers to
benefit.
GA, GAO, FEDERAL BUREAU OF INVESTIGATION, CORRUPTION, EMBEZZLEMENT, QUI TAM
LAWSUIT, WHISTLEBLOWER LAWSUITS.
Roz McAllister
mark "no" on all medical insurance questions. If you or I did that, we'd be in
federal prison!
Roz McAllister
CPSWatch, Ohio
Kane
> Most states use Medicaid funds for foster children. Here in Ohio, caseworkers
> mark "no" on all medical insurance questions.
Anna know why Medicaid accepts that? Because they know the information
from drug addled guilty resistant parents would likely be viciously
incorrect and could endanger the child.
It's just SOP, and not meant to be fraudulent at all. If you think it
is, why not report them instead of giving it away in a ng so they can
do a "coverup"?
And please inform your Orchid that the real reason children who come
into the system with insurance are already are given the added
coverage of some kind of medical insurance, including Medicaid.
Medicaid, if you'd bother to research it, is a health program for
folks with limited incomes.
It's all in the data if one cares to look it up.
In addition the reason for some kind of state or federal health
coverage of an already covered child is the surprizing event that
often accompanies the child going into out of home care...the parent
loses or simply cancels their medical coverage. Isn't that a gas?
> If you or I did that, we'd be in
> federal prison!
Nah Roz. Don't let youself get Fertilized.
It would be a fine and some probation at worst. Of course the civil
trial might knock your socks off that the insurance company would nail
you with.
Or they'd igore you as a piece of potentially bad PR.
This overstatement nonsense it what destroy's CPSWatch credibility so
easily, and along with the people you allow to associate with your
organization.
Yah really need to tighten up that ship and batten down the hatches.
Good day to you, every day.
> Roz McAllister
> CPSWatch, Ohio
Kane
CPSWatcher, USA
Sherman
"Roz McAllister" <ram7...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030920091303...@mb-m15.aol.com...
I have yet to see a foster child who comes into State care whose parent/s
have them covered by any private health care. In fact, to a one, the bio's
are receiving some sort of State aid and to a one, the children have been
born, compliments of welfare medical coverage.
A social worker has no way of knowing, absent the biological parents
providing complete medical records, just what has or has not transpired with
the children's health care.
Fraud???
What I have seen is the results of the bio's neglect in obtaining health
care even though the child more than likely would have qualified for free
medical care.
What type of a solution to this "fraud" would you propose to cure it?
Sherman
Kane
wrote:
>
>"Roz McAllister" <ram7...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20030920091303...@mb-m15.aol.com...
>> Most states use Medicaid funds for foster children. Here in Ohio,
>caseworkers
>> mark "no" on all medical insurance questions. If you or I did
that, we'd
>be in
>> federal prison!
>> Roz McAllister
>> CPSWatch, Ohio
>
>I have yet to see a foster child who comes into State care whose
parent/s
>have them covered by any private health care. In fact, to a one, the
bio's
>are receiving some sort of State aid and to a one, the children have
been
>born, compliments of welfare medical coverage.
You have to understand, Keli, that you live in a different world. You
see all these events as they happen. The folks you debate see them as
individual instances that, with enough straining at their stool, they
can turn into massive statewide, even nationwide predispostitions of
CPS to malfeasance and foster parent relentlessly milking the system,
plus an embezzing fraud of a state in collusion with invaders from
Mar....to...well, I'm sure you get my drift.
It's like that Plant describe massive turn out in SanDiego to fight
CPS. A hundred people if you really really squinted your eyes tight.
And that one of the areas of the country claimed to be a hotbed of
abuses of families by CPS.
Myself, I think they didn't offer enough Blow to lure most of them out
of their cribs. The problem with drugs and mental illness is brushed
of in these ngs like so much static tuned out on the radio.
If you turn away it doesn't exist...but of course workers and more
especially foster parents don't get to turn away.
The former has to deal with trying to find a way to convince a Power
Junkie momma to get off the shit and get back on her prescribed
psychotropic drugs used to stablize her mental condition, and finally
take some classes designed as much inform as to inspire the parent to
take up safe parenting again, if she ever even did it before.
While the latter, the foster parent, get's to deal with how to get a
28 month old to stand and take their first steps, how to handle that
trach tube cleaning, what to do to keep from going nuts at the 14 hour
shrill keening scream of a cocaine baby coming down after birth.
Little things like that. And a bit of violence toward sibs, claims
that everyone in the beats them daily, foster daddy is touching the
bad places (while foster daddy was out of town on business for that
week) and similar charming activities common to children that have
been badly abused and neglected by their natural parents.
And then the agency wants you to adopt, as they can't find anyone that
wants little Johnny with a multi-deviency diagnosis that includes dog
and children smaller than him, and hey with the great therapeutic help
just wating to welcome you in the door of the clinic they'll be able
to help him heal and become safe to others by the time he's 27 and a
half, for sure for sure. Maybe.
And damn if foster parents those damn fools raking in the money by the
barrelfulls don't fall for it and adopt Johnny, and periodically as
mom's uterus is tuned and ready by cocaine, two more sibs. Then the
foster parent discovers a couple of sibs no one knew about out in
Colorado that she has to, for her very real love of little Johnny,
arrange for visits a couple of times a year at HER expense, as the
state doesn't ever pay for these.
Are yah getting my drift here about the lies?
I've gone out of my way to waylay workers for the past two years (I
think this ng might have influenced me just a tad) and foster parents,
and ask the really hard questions.
The consencess and my conclusions. CPS across this country is NOT
loaded up with the undamaged children of poor innocent CPS abused
parents.
It's overwhelmed with a wave of drug effect children of mentally ill,
dual diganosis parents with considerable criminality involved, that
when they lose their kids are encouraged to run a "Greegor the Whore"
number and look for the main chance to score big so they can score on
the corner for a much better grade of shit.
No doubt there ARE plenty of the innocent caught up in the mess, but
that CPS goes looking for them is a joke. Workers consistently
reported to me that they have a shitload of the kinds of clients I
just described and even then the worker doesn't want take the child
except in the egregious of cases and constantly hassle judged to allow
inhome services.
Then of course, they run into horrors of trying to fund those
services, but they plug along.
Among the lunch crowd I haunt by the way, 70% are MSWs and about half
LCSW, so this bullshit about clerks doing casework is just that. And
the few I meet that are only undergrads seem to be damned talented.
I dont' know if I could convince a bipolar junkie with a three dime a
day habit to give it up for her kids. Some of these workers are
phenominal. The ones that work with teen clients damned candidates for
sainthood. How they keep the little darlings out of jail so much and
going to school at least half time is beyond my skills.
>A social worker has no way of knowing, absent the biological parents
>providing complete medical records, just what has or has not
transpired with
>the children's health care.
Now that's the truth. Foster parents getting kids tell me they often
have to go and ferret out the shot records on the kid by tracing along
the family until they find that auntie or granny that had the kids
during mamma's five year sojurn as a "model" in Las Vegas, from where
she'd come home to pop another one every two years or less.
>Fraud???
Naw, They are screaming about individuals who are criminals and trying
to pin it on the state. If they weren't clever criminals the state
could have caught them and nailed them. They nail the petty ones all
the time, but the crooks with talent don't go down so easy.
But hell, any excuse to break yet another knee on CPS.
>What I have seen is the results of the bio's neglect in obtaining
health
>care even though the child more than likely would have qualified for
free
>medical care.
Nothing like a nine year old with fifteen cavities YOU are going to
have to find a dentist that will take a state medical card to fix, all
the while comforting a child that among other things now has to deal
with all that periodic pain.
Really cool parents.
>What type of a solution to this "fraud" would you propose to cure it?
Why level the buildings, and kill all the workers, and build from the
ground up with those wonders of parenting perfection, Greegor and his
cohorts.
>Sherman
See yah,
Kane
madeupagin
"Greg Hanson" <Gre...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:35120b16.03092...@posting.google.com...
> > I have yet to see a foster child who comes into State care
> > whose parent/s have them covered by any private health care.
> > In fact, to a one, the bio's are receiving some sort of
> > State aid and to a one, the children have been
> > born, compliments of welfare medical coverage.
>
> isn't supposed to be trolling among the poor. The stats
> say Child Abuse cuts across all economic levels.
> What you're reporting says that CPS is not evenly enforcing.
> We were NOT on government aid of any kind.
Nor were we. Any of the times. I had my children with the best HMO in our
state at the time.
Tere
Doug
> Among the lunch crowd I haunt by the way, 70% are MSWs and about half
> LCSW, so this bullshit about clerks doing casework is just that. And
> the few I meet that are only undergrads seem to be damned talented.
Hi, Kane!
Does the lunch crowd you haunt consist of CPS caseworkers? How many of them
are hanging around? Are you saying that 50% of CPS caseworkers in your
jurisdiction are Licensed Clinical Social Workers?
What do you think makes your lunch crowd so abnormal and distinct from the
research-based national statistics that show the vast majority of CPS
caseworkers are not social workers at all, and those who are hold
undergraduate degrees. Many CPS workers do not have a 4 year degree.
Others have degrees in Art History and similar disciplines.
I have contact with many LCSW's. None are CPS workers. I have never met or
heard of a CPS worker who is also an LCSW. I know the reason why you seek
to characterize your lunch crowd with the initials, but I wonder if you know
what they stand for. I checked with the agency spokespeople in the states
of Nebraska, Kansas, South Dakota, and Texas. None could report having a
single LCSW working in the field as a CPS investigator or caseworker. I am
waiting for word from Arizona, New Mexico and Florida.
The regional head of the National Association of Social Workers is checking
to see if they ever conducted such a poll of their membership. I will let
you when I get an answer.
> I dont' know if I could convince a bipolar junkie with a three dime a
> day habit to give it up for her kids. Some of these workers are
> phenominal. The ones that work with teen clients damned candidates for
> sainthood. How they keep the little darlings out of jail so much and
> going to school at least half time is beyond my skills.
> >A social worker has no way of knowing, absent the biological parents
> >providing complete medical records, just what has or has not
> transpired with
> >the children's health care.
>
> Now that's the truth. Foster parents getting kids tell me they often
> have to go and ferret out the shot records on the kid by tracing along
> the family until they find that auntie or granny that had the kids
> during mamma's five year sojurn as a "model" in Las Vegas, from where
> she'd come home to pop another one every two years or less.
Amazing. So, foster caregivers are calling relatives of their wards to
determine medical history. ...And the kids parents are models in Las Vegas,
who come home to give birth every couple of years.
It is the agency's responsibility to get medical histories of children in
their custody. More pertinent in the context of this discussion, it is the
agency's responsibility to pass on this information to its temporary care
providers. CPS agencies have a history of failing to do so. In fact, these
agencies notoriously BLOCK foster caregivers access to information on their
wards.
A visit to any foster caregiver discussion group will disclose that this is
a common complaint among temporary care givers for the state.
> >Fraud???
>
> Naw, They are screaming about individuals who are criminals and trying
> to pin it on the state. If they weren't clever criminals the state
> could have caught them and nailed them. They nail the petty ones all
> the time, but the crooks with talent don't go down so easy.
If police were doing the investigations, they would catch the criminals. And
they do. Institutional wrongdoing often goes unnoticed.
>
> But hell, any excuse to break yet another knee on CPS.
>
> >What I have seen is the results of the bio's neglect in obtaining
> health
> >care even though the child more than likely would have qualified for
> free
> >medical care.
>
> Nothing like a nine year old with fifteen cavities YOU are going to
> have to find a dentist that will take a state medical card to fix, all
> the while comforting a child that among other things now has to deal
> with all that periodic pain.
The question is how many children in state care have fifteen unfixed
cavities. How often does this occur and why isn't the state doing something
about it?
> Really cool parents.
I thought you were talking about children in state care.
> >What type of a solution to this "fraud" would you propose to cure it?
>
> Why level the buildings, and kill all the workers, and build from the
> ground up with those wonders of parenting perfection, Greegor and his
> cohorts.
Many social work researchers, child welfare experts, and child welfare
workers themselves have suggested rebuilding CPS from the ground up. Two
articles posted today in this forum refer to studies where researchers have
suggested the same thing. Such an effort is beginning in the states of New
Jersey, California and Florida. A piece posted today in this newsgroup
suggests that Georgia officials completely rebuild its child protective
services from the ground up.
The only member posting wording about buildings be leveled and workers
killed is Kane.
Greg Hanson
> > with a three dime a day habit to give it up for
> > The ones that work with teen clients damned
> > candidates for sainthood. How they keep the little
> > darlings out of jail so much and going to school
> > at least half time is beyond my skills.
Maybe they feel pressured to outdo what the JUNKIE did? :)
It's an odd thing about Bipolars. In order to have a "cocaine high"
all they have to to is STOP taking their psych meds.
Why would a bipolar person need to take street drugs?
My ex only had to stop taking Lithium, Carbemazepeme(SP) and Tegretol.
And she's be giddy, flooded with dopamines I think they say.
Between their general HATRED of all medications, and their
built in "cocaine high" how many bipolars use street drugs?
Plus, don't street drugs have a sort of reverse effect on bipolars?
Kane, is it possible you MADE UP this "bipolar junkie" for effect?
And a Vegas Model who comes home to give birth every few years?
Golly, that sounds rather colorful!
I suppose that you see THOUSANDS of those. :)
Maybe one in every shadow!
Doug
> It's an odd thing about Bipolars. In order to have a "cocaine high"
> all they have to to is STOP taking their psych meds.
> Why would a bipolar person need to take street drugs?
Hi, Gregg!
Kane's hysterics aside, Bipolar disorder I and II commonly co-occur with
chemical dependency problems. Treatment requires that both problems be
worked on at the same time, since each is dynamic and impacts the other.
People suffering from Bipolar Disorder do have a problem being
med-compliant. Medication to treat the chemical inbalance in the brain is
designed to keep the patient mood level. If the individual is depressed, he
has no problem in taking the medication. But when he cycles into manic
mood -- which does, indeed, appear to mimic the "high" of cocaine -- he may
be unwilling to take his medication. Maybe we should all ask ourselves the
question: If we are feeling on top of the world, would we want to take a
pill to bring us down?
More pertinent to our discussion here, people referred by CPS for psych
evals are often misdiagnosed with Bipolar Disorder. This occurs because
presenting behavior during active addiction and early recovery mimics
Bipolar Disorder symptoms. The diagnosis is severe enough to give CPS what
it is looking for and provides the therapist with a new client. The
unfortunate folks misdiagnosed with Bipolar are naturally relunctant to take
medication for something they do not have.
The correct way to approach this problem is to detox and begin to treat an
individual who admits he has a chemical dependency problem and evaluate him
for MI issues after he is stable. If, at that point, Bipolar is diagnosed,
effective treatment requires both conditions be treated concurrently.
> My ex only had to stop taking Lithium, Carbemazepeme(SP) and Tegretol.
> And she's be giddy, flooded with dopamines I think they say.
Carbamazapine IS Tegretol. It, along with Lithium, is used for treatment of
Bipolar Disorder. You are correct. Lithium -- effectively what some users
describe as alcohol in pill form -- has the unusual capacity to effect BOTH
manic and depressive symptoms. It is often used upon initial diagnosis to
effect the symptoms of Bipolar. It has major side effects, including
slurring the speech and "zombie like" presentation. If such behaviors are
noticed, it is a good idea to schedule an appointment with the doctor to
consider reducing the dosage.
There are better choices than Lithium. Sodium Valproate (Valpro) is often
prescribed in cases of rapid cycling -- ups and downs occur within short
spans. As a general rule, physicians prescribe two medications, an
anti-depressant and something for anxiety. It does not take a doctor to see
the inherent problem in this sort of logic and approach.
In CPS cases, a single mom who has just had her child forcibly removed from
her home may be forced to take a psych eval. The psych eval is going to
unearth extreme depression (imagine that) and intense anxiety. The
therapist is examining someone who, afterall, has lost her child. Mom may
have attempted to seek relief from the unbearable pain of losing a child by
drinking. And, by god, the therapist catches that in the questioning
process, and low and behold, we have got a biopolar with co-occuring
substance abuse problems.
I recall an evaluator (and make no mistake, workers pick and choose
validators based upon their historic calls) is a clinical psychologist who
labels such presentation behaviors described above as Acute Anxiety
Disorder. On Axis IV, as explanation for onset of the problem, he puts
"removal of child."
He keep his contract long. But he told the truth.
Ethical practice demands that the therapist refrain from diagnosing when
there are immediate and overwhelming internal or external stressors on the
client. This is why it is absolutely crucial that a parent seek out an
independent therapist if an evaluation is ordered by CPS. Therapists who
are contracted by CPS work for CPS.
> Between their general HATRED of all medications, and their
> built in "cocaine high" how many bipolars use street drugs?
A great many. The purpose is to self-medicate for the depressive cycle. In
other words, they "chase" what you refer to as the "cocaine high."
> Plus, don't street drugs have a sort of reverse effect on bipolars?
Absolutely. The user is looking for a way to reverse the way he feels. The
whole psycho-medical approach using drugs to impact feelings is right down
his alley. Addicts understand an approach that uses chemicals to alter
mood. <g> So, the patient with co-occuring disorders is on the same page
as the physician prescribing drugs to alter mood. It's just that the
patient has different ideas as to the type of drug and the dosage that
should be used to self-medicate. <g>
> Kane, is it possible you MADE UP this "bipolar junkie" for effect?
> And a Vegas Model who comes home to give birth every few years?
> Golly, that sounds rather colorful!
>
> I suppose that you see THOUSANDS of those. :)
> Maybe one in every shadow!
Yes, I did like this particular detailed case generalized across the general
population. I wonder if this one happened even once.
In any case, such grandoise and colorful sets of facts are atypical in child
welfare practice.