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Dusty

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Apr 16, 2004, 11:01:28 PM4/16/04
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Man accused of owing $145,000 in child support
By LAURIA LYNCH-GERMAN
lge...@journalsentinel.com
Last Updated: April 15, 2004
West Bend - A former Washington County man has been charged with 18 felony
counts of failing to make child support payments totaling more than
$145,000.

Authorities allege in a criminal complaint that John L. Brayshaw, 55, has
failed to make the monthly $1,293.75 support payment for the past six years.
He could face more than 50 years in prison if convicted on all counts.

Statistics were not immediately available Thursday showing the largest child
support amounts owed in Wisconsin. However, in 1996, the state Bureau of
Child Support Enforcement listed eight people who were considered among the
worst child support non-payment offenders. The eight together owed more than
$242,000, with the highest individual offender owing $68,909.

And, in Racine County a total of 900 parents made $440,000 in back child
support payments in fiscal 2003.

Brayshaw, by comparison, owes his former wife $145,256 in back support and
interest and has not made a payment since November 1997, according to the
criminal complaint.

The complaint also says that "the defendant vacated the area and left no
forwarding address nor did he keep contact with anyone from the Washington
County area."

Investigators have been unable to find a current address for Brayshaw.

Diane Brayshaw, who was granted a divorce from Brayshaw on March 11, 1997,
has raised her sons without any financial support from their father,
according to the criminal complaint. The boys are now 15 and 17. She could
not be reached for comment.

Christine Ohlis, an assistant county attorney who prosecutes child support
cases, said the filing of criminal charges makes it more likely that people
who choose to ignore child support payments will be arrested.

Once charges are filed, an arrest warrant is issued for the suspected
offender. If the person is stopped for speeding or has any other encounters
with police, a routine records check should result in an arrest and
extradition back to the state where the payments are owed.

"It is important for us to continue our enforcement efforts even when they
(the suspected offenders) are not readily available," Ohlis said.

Filing felony charges of non-payment of child support is just another way to
make sure parents who ignore child support payments are made to pay, she
added.

Other tools to ensure that child support payments are made were put in place
several years ago, Ohlis said. Those tools include:

a.. Child support lien docket: The Bureau of Child Support can attach a lien
to houses and other property. If that property is ever sold, the child
support debt is taken from the proceeds.
a.. Account seizures: Authorities can seize bank and investment accounts
without a court order. The back child support amount is deducted from the
accounts.
a.. License suspensions: Fishing, hunting, driving and even professional
licenses can be suspended until the child support obligations are met. Ohlis
said each year the threshold is lowered on the lien docket, meaning smaller
amounts of unpaid child support are subject to being placed on the docket.

"It's down to $2,000, I believe, which is great," she said. "You don't have
to owe $50,000 for us to get your attention anymore with a filing."


Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on April 16, 2004.

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Children's Rights Advocate

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Apr 17, 2004, 12:11:49 AM4/17/04
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I am just curious.
Why does the government involve itself in the collection of child support
when the custodial parent earns enough money to keep off of the welfare
roles? Only when this occurs, "PUBLIC ASSISTANCE", should the government
concern themselves with such matters.

I live above a garage and my X lives in my 250,000 home. I want shared
custody, but she can't afford the house if the children sleep at my house,
or should I say if her "child support is reduced". Hence, custody battles.
I just want continued contact with my children. She just wants the money!

Help save the children
http://www.petitiononline.com/pfcr/petition.html FOR PA. RESIDENTS

http://www.petitiononline.com/RitesABC/petition.html FOR U.S. RESIDENTS

http://www.petitiononline.com/usncpr/petition.html FOR U.S. RESIDENTS

I pay my child support or should we call it the legalized prostitutes
pension.
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Dusty

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Apr 17, 2004, 1:41:58 AM4/17/04
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"Children's Rights Advocate" <smelly...@farts.com> wrote in message
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> I am just curious.
> Why does the government involve itself in the collection of child support
> when the custodial parent earns enough money to keep off of the welfare
> roles? Only when this occurs, "PUBLIC ASSISTANCE", should the government
> concern themselves with such matters.
>
> I live above a garage and my X lives in my 250,000 home. I want shared
> custody, but she can't afford the house if the children sleep at my house,
> or should I say if her "child support is reduced". Hence, custody
battles.
> I just want continued contact with my children. She just wants the money!

Yup, that's the way it goes. Of course, if you get laid off, fired, or
otherwise can't work - for whatever reason - the courts will come after you
and toss you in jail for "failure to pay". Though, when I went to school, I
was told that debtors prisons didn't exist any more! So much for that idea,
eh?


Greg Hanson

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Apr 17, 2004, 9:29:59 AM4/17/04
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Dusty wrote
> Of course, if you get laid off, fired, or
> otherwise can't work - for whatever reason
> - the courts will come after you and toss
> you in jail for "failure to pay". Though,
> when I went to school, I was told that
> debtors prisons didn't exist any more!
> So much for that idea, eh?

That would be particularly interesting
in Linn County and various other counties
in Iowa, where inmates also get billed
$60 per day for "jail rent".

On the other hand, I watched a Judge here,
when pressed regarding a guy who really
was NOT trying to pay his child support,
the Judge would not either charge the
guy or order him to work even half time.
The guy only owes $10,000 which is small,
but he works only OCCASIONALLY, and the
reason the state won't go after him is
that he is in on their side of a larger
battle. The system seems to operate
entirely different if in some way you
are seen as "with them", part of them or
allied with them in some way.

Has anybody ever looked at whether or not
cops or other government allies are
being given preferential treatment when
it comes to Child Support Enforcement?

bobb

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Apr 17, 2004, 10:57:05 AM4/17/04
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Children's Rights Advocate? Sound to me this this not about children.. but
husband and wives. As a general understanding, one cannot care for another
unless they can first care for themeselves. If the matter was merely about
children... the child(ren) should be placed with the parent who has the
greatest resources. If dad (assuming he holds the resources) doesn't want,
or is unable to care for the children... let him find an appropriate
solution for the children.... including giving mom custody. If mom refuses
to care for the child for the amount dad is willing to pay.... custody
reverts to dad. Punish him for offenses commited toward the children...
not for failing to support an ex-wife. . The ex- wife becomes relatively
unimportant insofar as child support is concerned.

This requires a bit of thinking outside the box.. and focus is placed on the
children. Dad would probably be more willing to support children living
with his ex if he knew that he could suddenly find himself as the caretaker
instead of the provider.

A careful examination of agreeable divorices are settled in exactly this
manner. Dad willingly contributes.... or becomes the caretaker. The
courts over-look human nature and play by presumed and often inadequate
rules that eventually result in disaster which place a financial burden on
dad... instead of his responsibility (assuming he holds the greatest
resource) for the children. If mom had the greatest resource the picutre
would be reversed.

bobb


Children's Rights Advocate

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Apr 17, 2004, 3:24:08 PM4/17/04
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First, I make more money than my X. Because I work additional hours beyond
full time. When I don't have my children, I need to work to support them.
When she does not have the children, she goes on vacation..........
Also, I am more than happy to care for my children without any funding by
thier mother. I would take them 365 days a year. The question can easily be
reversed and the answer would be different. In fact I have spent thousands
in court attempting to maintain my "bogus " shared custody status. I love
my children and I support them. It took my sperm and her egg to create them,
why does the court decide that she should keep them. They didn't decide who
bathed them, who cooked for them etc. prior to divorce. , I raised them
more than 50% of time when married etc. I did my part and I am proud of it.
I live in the same school district. She sits back and the government
announces that "It's mothers day 365 days a year in the family courts." I
read your message several times to try to understand exactly what your point
was. I have determined that you think fathers don't want the responsibility
of thier children. I also assume you are probably greater than 60 years old
and or quite possibly a woman. But I am leaning towards age. One other
possibility would be that you are very wealthy and never cared for your own
children. Because any man living in todays society with dual income families
has been the mother and father to their children. Unlike the old days where
Dads came home from work, ate dinner (dinner was on table after Dad cleaned
up) And afterwards nobody was to disturb him.
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Children's Rights Advocate

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Apr 17, 2004, 3:30:15 PM4/17/04
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I read your post again BOBB.
I am a children's rights advocate. Very clearly, my children did not ask
for me to be removed from their lives. They want to live with me. However,
after spending thousands of dollars to prepare for a custody trial. The wise
OLD judge, at the beginning of the trial, announced that because my children
had good grades, he was not going to change the order. Shared custody when
both parents want the children should be the standard. Money, though there
are many arguments for and against child support is not my issue.
Hey Bobby,
How much of a pension plan (child support) do you get from your X. Afterall
isn't child support kinda like legalized prostitution with a pension plan.

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Jon

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Apr 17, 2004, 5:56:19 PM4/17/04
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>
> Authorities allege in a criminal complaint that John L. Brayshaw, 55,
> has failed to make the monthly $1,293.75 support payment for the past
> six years. He could face more than 50 years in prison if convicted on
> all counts.

$1293.75 a MONTH????? That damn kid must wear golden diapers or have a
personal nanny. What the hell child needs that much money per month? My
son is supposed to receive $76 a month. Aren't all kids the same?
What a crock. I bet if they set that at 300 a month, he would have paid it.


Dusty

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Apr 17, 2004, 6:24:45 PM4/17/04
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"Jon" <jonb...@qwest.net> wrote in message
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Yupper, believe it brother!

In my brother's case he's been forced to pay nearly the same amount (just
over a grand a month) for two kids. And that was after he asked the court 4
times for a reduction because of the state of the economy and lack of work
in his field - get this, the judge INCREASED it! He called it "incentive".


Fido

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Apr 17, 2004, 6:43:56 PM4/17/04
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"Jon" <jonb...@qwest.net> wrote in
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Well, you also might want to ask yourself how $1,293.75 a month became
$145,000 after six years. Sounds like the child support enforrcement people
are using the "new math".

You might also want to wonder why the reporter didn't address that gross
discrepancy. Clearly they were just parroting whatever drivel was included
in the government press release.


>> Statistics were not immediately available Thursday showing the largest
>> child support amounts owed in Wisconsin.


Actually, that's easy. the biggest child support debtor in the Wisconsin
is... The State Of Wisconsin!!! Over $7.7 million in child support
collected and not disbursed to families!

http://www.childsupport-aces.org/undismissing2002.html


Best - Fido

Fido

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Apr 17, 2004, 6:51:04 PM4/17/04
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"Dusty" <No....@Home.Org> wrote in
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Hell, I pay about the same - and I've got my kids with me half the time. In
Maine I pay the same child support as a parnet who spends no time with his
kids.

Since only about a third of the male custodial parents collect child
support in Maine, child support is considered a "women's issue".

Hmmm... I thought is was for the kids, but I guess I was wrong. Another fun
statistic - even though 22% of single parent families in Maine are headed
by men - male headed families make up only 3% of welfare recipients.

If the government was serious about ending welfare and child poverty,
they'd just make sure that men got custody as often as possible. But they
are more interested in creating a system of government involvement and
dependence.

Best - Fido

bobb

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Apr 17, 2004, 10:05:26 PM4/17/04
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I read my post again.. and I guess I wasn't very clear. I'm suggesting the
parent with the greatest resources become responsble for the direct care and
custody of the children 365 days a year.

If that is dad.. which in most case it probably will be.... he must provide
alternative care, ie: day care, baby-sitters, or even work out an
arrangement with the ex. These options don't initially favor the person
with the least resources (usually) mom... but the concern should be for the
children not the ex.

My suggestion allows even the parent with the least resources to better
provide for himself/herself without the added expense of the child(ren) and
puts the burden on the person otherwise most able.

As it is... even after divorice.. dad must continue to support his ex under
the pretense that he is actually providing for the children which, as we
all know is not the case.


I don't care to answer very personal questions... but I kept the kids
entirely at my own expense and the ex found a way to support herself.... as
well as another b/f.

Did that help?


bobb


bobb


Super Pissed Dad

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Apr 18, 2004, 9:44:00 AM4/18/04
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Greg wrote :That would be particularly interesting

in Linn County and various other counties
in Iowa, where inmates also get billed
$60 per day for "jail rent".

When I was sentenced In Sacramento County back in the 90's .The Dept of Revenue
had a legal form for me to sign. It was a bill for my stay in jail. 6 yrs later
when I moved to Washington State I KEPT GETTING THIS OLD BILL.They knew how to
track me..LOL well this went on for months.finally I wrote "return to sender
,deceased 3/98 in Montana" on the envelope. Those people stopped bugging me
about that damn bill.

spd

The Dave©

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Apr 19, 2004, 12:46:37 AM4/19/04
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> "It's down to $2,000, I believe, which is great," she said. "You
> don't have to owe $50,000 for us to get your attention anymore with a
> filing."
>
> Appeared in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel on April 16, 2004.

Theorietically, in the case shown in the article, he'd only have to be
behind about 1.7 months to be eligible for this kind of treatment.

Here's a novel idea: Since the amount of money can vary drastically
from situation to situation, why not make the threshhold based on time
rather than dollar amount?

--
I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us
with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.
- Galileo Galilei

Greg Hanson

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Apr 19, 2004, 9:26:44 AM4/19/04
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The monthly AMOUNT for the inmate would
probably go down so far as to be nonexistant.
Is there a lower limit for the monthly amount?
Would they set his monthly accrual to $2 ?

His prison labor income if any would be the
income his new amount is based on.
What does an inmate make per month
through prison industries?

Ino PayCS

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Apr 19, 2004, 8:41:36 PM4/19/04
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"Dusty" <No....@Home.Org> wrote in message
> Man accused of owing $145,000 in child support
> By LAURIA LYNCH-GERMAN
> lge...@journalsentinel.com
> Last Updated: April 15, 2004
> West Bend - A former Washington County man has been charged with 18 felony
> counts of failing to make child support payments totaling more than
> $145,000......


If anyone meets up with Mr Brayshaw, give him my email address. Tell
him to buy a ticket to Rio, then call the DA and tell them where to
stick their child-support order. Before he gets on the airplane tell
him to email me the time the flight arrives in Rio and I'll be at the
airport to pick him up.

Ino Paycs
A friend indeed, helping deadbeats in need.
http://inopaycs.tripod.com
inop...@bol.com.br

Mountain Bill

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Apr 22, 2004, 9:13:33 PM4/22/04
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"Super Pissed Dad" <vis...@aol.com> wrote in message
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So I guess that means you are PROUD to declare yourself a liar? What an
idgit, LOL, heh heh you wannt to buy a used megaphone? Then you cn run
around screaming,,,, Hey don't believe a word I say, I'm a self proclaimed
ex-con liar with my head up my butt and a mega-phone,,, Don't forget to
fart. Heh. you'll be more convincing heh.
Billy


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