Jason Winters tea-- Any success ?
ABC
breast removed and will now go on to chemotherapy.
She has been referred to Jason Winters tea. Is this a genuine cure or
at least helpful supplement? Does anyone have experience on the
success of the tea--Herbalene, red clover and chaparral.
thanks
ABC
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Kaye301
success of the tea--Herbalene, red clover and chaparral.
>>
Don't know much about herbals, but have read that red clover may work
similarly to cholesterol lowering drugs which may be of benefit for at least
some with cancer. I am not sure though whether this may be contraindicated if
one's cancer is hormome receptive positive. One thing to note is that what is
good for one type of cancer or even breast cancer may not help and/or even
possibly worsen another type. It is also important for her to check with her
oncologist if she is undergoing any type of treatment. Some herbals interfere
with the effects of treatment, although they may be helpful afterwards.
J
> My relative just got confirmed to have breast cancer. She had the
> breast removed and will now go on to chemotherapy.
>
> She has been referred to Jason Winters tea. Is this a genuine cure
no
> or at least helpful supplement?
http://www.cancersupporters.com/asc/part1.html
See "cancer fighting foods" for more.
Green and Black Tea - Long heralded for their health benefits, black and
green tea are teeming with antioxidants known as polyphenols, the most
potent called catechin. Whether you drink them cold or hot, green and
black tea can help you fight cancer. []
I like Earl Grey (Gray?) if that's green tea you're referring to.
> Does anyone have experience on the
> success of the tea--Herbalene, red clover and chaparral.
None of those will "cure" cancer.
Hun, I was just trying to help someone on another newsgroup who mixed
medications with supplements and had a wild reaction. As soon as people
hear the word "cancer", "everyone and their cousin" is going to make
suggestions. It helps them feel less powerless or helps them with
whatever they have wrong with them.
Do her a favour and buy her Dr. Susan Love's book
http://www.susanlovemd.com/
It might be on e-bay
J-alt.support.cancer
Martin Howard
But the tea that has most cancer research behind it is probably Essiac. See
details in "Options" and also in the web site of the Clouds Trust which is
putting on an "Essiac & the Electro-Therapies' Workshop and Contact Day"
this weekend at The Village Hall, Elsted, West Sussex. Bit too far for you
in the USA I suppose!
Web site is www.cloudstrust.org and e-mail in...@cloudstrust.org
Unfortunately I cannot attend due to Quaker Meeting engagements which my
wife and I cannot miss. Pity, as I have the Essiac herbal mixture but wish
to know the method of boiling it up and mixing it afterwards. It isn't just
straight forward.
--
Martin Howard
Webbs Cottage Pottery
Woolpits Road, Great Saling
BRAINTREE, Essex CM7 5DZ
01371 850 423
mar...@webbscottage.co.uk
http://www.webbscottage.co.uk
Updated 20th October 2003
J
> I know about Red Clover and Chaparral being anti-cancer herbs.
>
> But the tea that has most cancer research behind it is probably Essiac.
http://www.nci.nih.gov/cancerinfo/pdq/cam/essiac
Because no study of the use of Essiac or Flor髭ssence in humans has been
reported in a peer-reviewed, scientific journal, no level of evidence analysis
is possible for these mixtures. The data that are available, however, do not
support claims that Essiac and Flor髭ssence can detoxify the body, strengthen
the immune system, or fight cancer. At this time, the use of either Essiac or
Flor髭ssence in the treatment of cancer patients cannot be recommended outside
the context of well-designed clinical trials.(07/23/2003)
Ignore Martin please.
His PSA has been rising (and/or is very high).
He know not what he doeth to himself.
J - alt.support.cancer
J
> My relative just got confirmed to have breast cancer. She had the
> breast removed and will now go on to chemotherapy.
Hi there,
I've uncross-posted this reply, because you're possibly going to get
every "nutcase" poster on a.s.c. replying.
So ignore them.
What you might want to send to your relative is the following
http://www.cancersupporters.com/basket.html
from http://www.cancersupporters.com/faq.html
J
Gulffritallary
>to know the method of boiling it up and mixing it afterwards. It isn't just
>straight forward.
>
I wouldn't recommend it for breast cancer. This is something that I posted in
2002:
I do a lot of research and take supplements to augment the Tamoxifen that I
take. I post occasionally regarding supplements that I consider as having the
potential to kill bc tumor cells as per study results. Essiac is a tea that I
took initially until I found this study that indicates that it actually
promotes mammary tumor growth rather than halting it. I will let you form your
own conclusions - as you should do.
http://www.ucop.edu/srphome/bcrp/progressreport/abstracts/preven/7IB-0003.html
Evaluation of Essiac Tea to Prevent Mammary Tumors
Michelle Bennett, Ph.D.
Lawrence Livermore National Laboratory
Award Type: IDEA Award
Duration: 1.5 yrs., 2001-2002
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Initial Award Abstract
Breast cancer will be diagnosed in 18,000 Californian women in 2001. Preventing
breast cancer, both primary tumors and recurrences, is preferable to treating
disease. The purpose of this research is to determine if Essiac tea, a
complementary therapy widely self-administered by breast cancer survivors and
patients, prevents breast cancer. Complementary therapies are not always
discussed with physicians. When alternative approaches are discussed,
counseling is hindered by large gaps in knowledge about safety, efficacy, and
potential drug interactions. Essiac Tea, an herbal mixture introduced in the
1920’s to treat cancer, is commonly used today by breast cancer survivors to
try to prevent recurrence. The biological activities of the individual herbs
used in one Essiac tea formulation have characteristics associated with
decreasing cancer risk. Many herbs used in Essiac tea have long histories of
use in Asian diets and medicines. In spite of its potential benefits, Essiac
tea is not the subject of any published reports evaluating its efficacy to
prevent breast cancer. Because it is widely used, it is important to fill the
knowledge gap about the ability of Essiac tea to prevent cancer.
The central question addressed by this application is: "To what extent does
Essiac tea treatment reduce mammary tumor development in rodents?" The ducts of
the mammary gland, through which milk is delivered to the suckling newborn, can
be visualized as tree branches. We expect that Essiac exposure will reduce
tumors and that this reduction will be associated with changes in the branching
pattern of the mammary tree.
Two mammalian models (models with mammary glands) will be used to determine if
drinking Essiac tea can reduce cancer development. Mammary tumor inhibition by
Essiac tea will be studied in rats that are treated with a chemical to induce
tumors. This approach is well-described and its use in tumor prevention studies
is well-accepted by the scientific community. A mouse model will be used that
develops mammary tumors because the Neu oncogene (a cancer gene) is overactive
which results in uncontrolled cell growth in the mammary ducts. Thirty percent
of breast tumors make too much of the Her-2/Neu cancer protein; patients with
this type of breast tumor have lower survival and an increased risk of
metastasis than other breast cancer patients. In this study, the number of
animals with tumors, the average number of tumors per animal, and the
complexity of ductal branching will be compared between Essiac tea treated and
untreated animals.
This proposal is unique because it will rigorously test Essiac tea for its
ability to prevent mammary tumors in well established animal models. In
addition to the evaluation of Essiac on tumor development, ductal branching
patterns will also be studied. If Essiac tea does not inhibit or increases
mammary tumor development, this information could be used to direct patients to
other complementary therapies. If mammary tumors are inhibited by Essiac tea,
this would open doors to perform studies in cancer survivors to evaluate the
ability of Essiac tea to prevent recurrence and to determine how our daughters
might benefit from its use with population studies. In addition, studies would
be designed to determine how Essiac tea works, what affect it has on the body,
and if there are herbal-drug interactions. These studies would be necessary to
develop science-based recommendations for its use among Californians.
Progress Report Year 1 (2002)
Women diagnosed with breast cancer often self-administer complementary and
alternative medicine (CAM) to augment conventional treatments, improve health,
or prevent recurrence. Approximately 50% of patients using CAM don't inform
their physicians and if they do counseling is often hindered by the lack of
scientific knowledge about CAM. Breast cancer patients and survivors use herbal
tonics like Flor-Essence® because of anecdotal evidence that they can treat or
prevent disease. Flor-Essence® is a complex mixture of eight herbal extracts.
The eight individual herbs have estrogenic, cytotoxic (cell killing),
anti-tumor, anti-mutagenic, anti-oxidant, and anti-inflammatory properties,
among others. There have been no scientific studies done to evaluate these
herbal tonics in cells, animal models, or clinical trials. This project will
evaluate the impact of Flor-Essence® in a rat model.
This project has two specific aims. The first is to determine if Essiac
exposure reduces mammary tumor incidence and/or multiplicity in rats treated
with dimethylbenz[a]anthracene (DMBA), a well-recognized mammary gland
carcinogen. The DMBA rat model of mammary carcinogenesis is a well accepted
model in which to study mammary tumor prevention.
The second specific aim is to determine if Essiac exposure inhibits mammary
tumor development in (MMTV)c-neu transgenic mice, a mouse model in which
mammary tumors develop spontaneously due to c-neu oncogene over-expression.
This model is relevant to humans because patients whose breast tumors
overexpress Her-2/Neu have reduced survival and an increased risk of metastasis
compared to patients whose tumors do not. Approximately 30% of breast tumors
overexpress (produce greater than the normal amount) the Her-2/Neu oncogene.
We have completed the animal work portion for investigating specific aim 1.
Tumor and tissue samples are currently being evaluated by the pathologist on
the study. Female rats were given water or a 3% or 6% solution of
Flor-Essence® Herbal Tonic for 23 weeks beginning at one day of age. They were
given a single oral dose of DMBA (40 mg/kg body weight) at 7 weeks of age to
induce mammary tumors. At 16 weeks of age, control rats had a palpable mammary
tumor incidence of 17% compared to 41% in the 3% Flor-Essence® treated group.
At the end of the study 82% of the 3% Flor-Essence® treated rats had palpable
tumors compared to 71% in the control group.
Gross observations at the end of the study indicate that the average number of
tumors was approximately 2-fold greater in the treated compared to control
group. In addition, the average body weight of the Flor-Essence® treated
groups was 4 - 8% less than the controls at every time point examined.
Physiologically relevant concentrations of Flor-Essence® did not inhibit
mammary tumor development but instead appeared to promote it.
We have bred the mice for specific aim two and are conducting the studies.
Women who purchase Flor-Essence® after having been diagnosed with breast
cancer use it in hopes that it will cure disease or prevent recurrence.
Therefore, it is important to understand the biologic consequences of
self-administration of commercially available CAM on the breast. Studies such
as ours are necessary for consumers and physicians to make informed decisions
about CAM use.
The results from Specific Aim 1 suggest Flor-Essence® promotes the growth of
DMBA-induced rat mammary tumors. Thus, this experiment offers no evidence to
support the idea that Flor-Essence® may be useful to cure or prevent
recurrence of breast cancer in humans. On the contrary, the results of this
laboratory study should be carefully considered by women and their physicians
before adding similar herbal supplements to their post-diagnosis nutritional
regimen.
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Kaye301
promotes the growth of
DMBA-induced rat mammary tumors. Thus, this experiment offers no evidence to
support the idea that Flor-Essence® may be useful to cure or prevent
recurrence of breast cancer in humans. On the contrary, the results of this
laboratory study should be carefully considered by women and their physicians
before adding similar herbal supplements to their post-diagnosis nutritional
regimen.>>
Thanks for sharing...I sure hope that isn't the case for green and/or white
tea...
Gulffritallary
>Thanks for sharing...I sure hope that isn't the case for green and/or white
>tea...
>
No it isn't - green tea has good study results for breast cancer - however, you
have to drink an awful lot of it. I take the capsules myself.
Tim Jackson
"ABC" <A...@nospam.net> wrote in message
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> My relative just got confirmed to have breast cancer. She had the
> breast removed and will now go on to chemotherapy.
>
> She has been referred to Jason Winters tea. Is this a genuine cure or
> at least helpful supplement? Does anyone have experience on the
> success of the tea--Herbalene, red clover and chaparral.
>
One can be reasonably sure that there are no genuine general-use cancer
cures hiding in corners of the Internet waiting to be discovered. No-one
with a promising cure is likely to be hawking it mail-order when the drug
companies have billions poised ready to test, standardise, package and reap
profits from anything that can show results. If the world has not beaten a
path to their door there is probably a good reason.
As to whether it is a helpful supplement I don't know, but suspect it rather
depends on what particular aspect you expect it to help with.
Can I suggest the following site for up to date information on the medical
establishment view of a lot of herbal therapies:
http://www.mdanderson.org/cimer
follow the links "Reviews of Therapies" then "Herbal/Plant Therapies"
This link is also on our FAQ at www.cancersupporters.com, and there is a
fuller exposition of my thoughts on alternative cancer treatment at
www.cancersupporters.com/altmed.html.
Tim Jackson
su-t...@webtv.net
At the health food store in Longview, I checked the ingredients of Jason
Winters Tea.
Even though the boxes looked similar, the ingredients were slightly
different.
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1. red clover flowers, gotu kola herb, Indian sage leaf, special spices
(herbaline blend)
2. red clover, Indian sage leaf, Oolong Tea Leaf, special spices
(herbaline blend)
3. special spices, red clover, Indian sage
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Red clover is high in phyto-estrogens (plant estrogens), which are
probably a bad thing for people with estrogen-sensitive (ER+) cancer.
Susan, Su_Texas my opinions