THE RACE: Vaccination Industry ... Snake-oil Vigilantes ... Healthfraud ... Quackwatch ... GAVI ... Rotten "Happy Oyster" etc. VERSUS Vaccination Awareness Activists
Ilena Rose
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Please check my vaccination links here.
There is a huge race going on right now ... a race about "what is
good" for us ... and what the vaccination industry and its layers of
public relations flacks and bought off 'scientists' and journalists
and med writers for hire tell us.
Here on Usenet, it's members of this group:
http://www.breastimplantawareness.org/snake-oil.htm
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
In addition, several new anonymous posters and German Healthfraud
Aribert Deckers, "Happy Oyster" who directly promotes GAVI and uses
this vaccination industry "non profit" as his 'reliable source' seems
to have limitless time to attack all of us concerned about vaccination
safety.
While I have little time today or in the near future to discuss this,
I applaud Dr. Leonard Horowitz and many many others who are raising
awareness to the potential debacle humanity faces should GAVI and
Deckers and Barrett and team win the race ... and dangerous and
unproven aluminum, mercury and squalene etc. vaccines get forced upon
us. (see who funds GAVI below).
http://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/horowitzavianfluscamapr09.shtml
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymo4iFDqjvY
Dr. Horowitz has also been targeted by the same flack team in their
futile attempts to discredit his information. May our good Lord
protect us all from the vaccination "Ministry of Truth" ... where les
are"truth" and up is down.
I am particularly concerned since GAVI / WHO are recommending already
that pregnant women be amongst those first vaccinated.
Please please become aware of what is behind these vaccinations and
the enormous propaganda and disinformation that fills all 'media.'
With love from Ilena
PS: Thank you to anyone who can add good links for us here.
EXCERPT:
http://www.gavialliance.org/about/in_partnership/industrialized/index.php
Those specifically involved with GAVI produce the greatest share of
the global vaccine supply. They are:
Crucell (representing smaller vaccine producers)
Novartis Vaccines
GlaxoSmithKline
Merck & Co., Inc.
sanofi pasteur
Wyeth Vaccines
Former Board Members
Wyeth-Ayerst Global Pharmaceuticals
Board Member: Mr Geno Germano, Executive Vice President and General
Manager, Wyeth Vaccines
Term of Office: January 2002 to December 2003
Chiron Vaccines
Board Member: Mr John Lambert
Term of Office: January 2004 to March 2005
Merck Vaccines
Board Member: Ms. Margret McGlynn, President
Term of Office: April 2005 to May 2008
Peter B.
"Ilena Rose" <B...@mundo.com> wrote in message
news:iui29518oj3huvliv...@4ax.com...
> Happy Sunday from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
Thought you had little time to be on Usenet today. Liar.
Peter B.
>
> good" for us ... and what the vaccination industry and its layers of
> public relations flacks and bought off 'scientists' and journalists
> and med writers for hire tell us.
>
>
> Aribert Deckers, "Happy Oyster" who directly promotes GAVI and uses
> this vaccination industry "non profit" as his 'reliable source' seems
> to have limitless time to attack all of us concerned about vaccination
> safety.
>
Race? There is no race. It is not a contest dear, they are striving to
keep you and others in good health. If it were a race then you already
lost. They will live far longer than you, and when your voice is silent
theirs will be plainly heard.
Get real, deal with realities. get off the agenda thing.
Jeff
world, learn how to make a vaccine that will prevent HIV transmission,
find outbreaks of influenza before they get out of control and make
influenza vaccine that will prevent the next outbreak.
Jeff
Jeff
I left one out.... The race to prevent ignorant antivaccine liars from
spreading their lies. This race is fought with one thing the antivaccine
liars lack... the truth.
Jeff
Happy Oyster
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Happy Oyster
>Happy Sunday from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
>http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
>Please check my vaccination links here.
No one with a sound mind would do that.
>There is a huge race going on right now ... a race about "what is
>good" for us ... and what the vaccination industry and its layers of
>public relations flacks and bought off 'scientists' and journalists
>and med writers for hire tell us.
No race. The ones who want to die, can kill themselves right away. The earth has
7 billion humans on it, that is 7 billion humans too much. The planet can't feed
them.
>Here on Usenet, it's members of this group:
Usenet? WHERE is usenet?
>http://www.breastimplantawareness.org/snake-oil.htm
>www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
>
>In addition, several new anonymous posters and German Healthfraud
>Aribert Deckers, "Happy Oyster"
That is a libel.
>who directly promotes GAVI and uses
>this vaccination industry "non profit" as his 'reliable source' seems
>to have limitless time to attack all of us concerned about vaccination
>safety.
That is nonsense.
>While I have little time today or in the near future to discuss this,
Why then does Ilena Rosenthal not shut up?
>I applaud Dr. Leonard Horowitz and many many others who are raising
>awareness to the potential debacle humanity faces should GAVI and
>Deckers and Barrett and team win the race ... and dangerous and
>unproven aluminum, mercury and squalene etc. vaccines get forced upon
>us. (see who funds GAVI below).
That is nonsense.
>http://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/horowitzavianfluscamapr09.shtml
>www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymo4iFDqjvY
>
>Dr. Horowitz has also been targeted by the same flack team in their
>futile attempts to discredit his information. May our good Lord
>protect us all from the vaccination "Ministry of Truth" ... where les
>are"truth" and up is down.
The same mass murder god, which Andrew B. Chung, praises so much?
>I am particularly concerned since GAVI / WHO are recommending already
>that pregnant women be amongst those first vaccinated.
GAVI made gigantic efforts ans save the lives of more than 3 million children.
Did Ilena Rosenthal save at least ONE child!?
>Please please become aware of what is behind these vaccinations and
>the enormous propaganda and disinformation that fills all 'media.'
Vaccination saves lives.
But, obviously, sadists and other trash prefer to let people die, so this trash
sabotages vaccination, seeds hatred, spreads lies and libels, and makes false
medical claims.
Jeff
>> While I have little time today or in the near future to discuss this,
>
> Why then does Ilena Rosenthal not shut up?
While it is true that Ilena does not shut up, it is also true that she
doesn't discuss things. Rant might be an accurate word. Whine is
another. Attack is certainly a third.
But, no she doesn't discuss things.
Ilena Rose
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Please check my vaccination links here.
Yes ... the pseudo skeptics chime in to claim how dumb and useless I
am ...
From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal
(Note: If Barrett's buddy, Healthfraud Deckers (Rotten Oyster)
attempts to highjack this thread too ... it will again illustrate the
desperation of losers.)
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/
www.breastimplantawareness.blogspot.com
www.mercola.com/2001/jun/6/breast_implants.htm
Breast Implants: America's Silent Epidemic
by Ilena Rosenthal
Daily my phone rings and my email overflows with urgent and painful
calls from women just awakening from the ether of their breast
implants. Although their first surgeries may have been decades ago,
they are finally emerging from the web of deceit that their plastic
surgeons and the silicone manufacturers have woven through the media
for years in a brilliant, expensive public relations coup of enormous
proportions.
Now reality has struck as they join scores of thousands of ill and
disfigured women in learning the hidden truth - their cherished breast
implants may cost them their insurance, their health, their beauty,
their vitality, their families, their careers, and too often, even
their lives.
Everything I have ever done or thought or studied for 47 years brought
me to November, 1995 when I created a Newsgroup
(alt.support.breast-implant) on the Internet to provide an
International Forum to discuss this perplexing issue and create a
place for the women to connect with each other. I had no idea of the
depth, breadth, or width of the Pandora's Box I was opening.
Five years later, after unknown thousands of communications from
women, doctors, loved ones, attorneys, supporters and tormentors
alike, I admit I am no longer without bias. I now know that a huge
fraud has and continues to be committed on women, and the background
on this issue reads like a non-fiction espionage bestseller.
No stranger to plastic surgery (first nose bob during my Dallas high
school years) I do not now, nor have I ever had implants. There, but
for the grace of God go I. A few million of our sisters have made that
choice for a variety of reasons.
However, two common denominators remain the same -- they were always
assured they were "safe" and the "risks minimal," and eerily, they
have come up against a medical establishment unwilling and unable to
cure their illnesses.
In 1992, after 30 years of unimpeded marketing, the FDA finally banned
silicone gel implants for most women. Because of the lobbying of the
manufacturers and plastic surgeons -- who flew in around 400 women to
lobby Washington DC on their behalf -- women post-mastectomy were and
are still allowed to get these unproven, highly risky medical devices.
Even though early studies were resurrected, long hidden by the
manufacturers, proving they knew that their implants would break,
immune reactions would occur, the gel would migrate, and even more
disturbing, could cross the placenta and affect the unborn fetuses,
almost never did this information make it to the women it could have
protected.
They also hired visible spokesdoctors to misled the public into
believing that implant rupture -- a devastating medical event -- was
"only 4-6%." They also claimed to examine and find "no association"
between implants and a myriad of painful and debilitating autoimmune
diseases suffered in disproportionate percentages.
In fact, the Executive Editor of the New England Journal of Medicine,
Dr. Marcia Angell, chose to publish two very flawed, small and short
studies funded by those who stood the most to gain by the results. She
then promoted and defended these studies as if they were gospel in her
pro-manufacturer book, Science on Trial, and flooded the media with
this corporate science while branding a scarlet "Junk Scientist" on
any doctor who dared to dispute the "experts."
This PR campaign includes labeling the women "crazies" and their
leaders and supporters "fear mongers" and "wackos" so desperate are
they to destroy the credibility of any of us who dared to speak out on
the dangers. The result is that for years, women have been lulled into
a false belief, that they had a 95% chance of being rupture free. The
contrary is true.
Alarming, indisputable evidence was released in October 2000, when the
FDA published a landmark study of implanted women, many still without
symptoms. This objective work revealed that 69% of these women had at
least one ruptured implant, most without any knowledge of it, although
implanted a median time of less than 17 years.
Other studies had already revealed over a 90% chance of rupture within
20 years.
Hardly, the "lifetime" product they were promised.
The cover up continues to fall apart . . .
Dr. David Feigal, director of the Center for Devices and Radiological
Health at the FDA, said it so clearly, "When it happens to you, the
rupture rate is 100 percent." By January 2000, over 127,000 women had
written the FDA about the serious complications from their silicone
gel implants.
The tragedy is that still today, they are unable to get good medical
care as the majority of doctors refuse to believe the connection. Even
worse, doctors don't have a clue what to do to heal these assaulted
immune systems and rid women's bodies of the dozens of dangerous
ingredients found in implants such as platinum, silica, formaldehyde,
plasticizers and organic solvents.
Implant formulations were frequently changed -- shells and gel thicker
then thinner then thicker again -- and "new and improved" was marketed
so often, it appears silicone merchants believed their own hype.
In the 80's, as "the" answer to capsular contracture, over 100,000
women received gel implants with polyurethane foam glued to them. Not
only did the foam disintegrate, often within just weeks of
implantation, but it broke down into TDA, a known carcinogen, decades
ago removed from hair dyes.
These women are amongst the most ill, and even when these dangerous
implants were hurriedly taken off the market in 1991, no recall or
even courtesy call was made to warn the implanted women.
The most recent implant disaster was exported to Europe, where well
over 5,000 women, mainly in Britain, were implanted with soy oil
filled implants, unlovingly known as "tofu titties." The American
protocol for this product required this new round of female "lab rats"
to be past childbearing age, but somewhere on it's way across the
Atlantic, this requirement was dropped.
Health advocates and cautious scientists were warning of the serious
potential dangers but were ignored and the "experts" made fortunes
implanting them even in very young women. Their bubble burst as
shocking reports and the rancid soy oil leaked out in Spring of 2000,
and all the women were advised to have them removed as quickly as
possible.
The damage to many had already been done. Now, like the millions with
failed gel implants, they are faced with yet another difficult
decision, should they replace them with saline filled implants? Is
Saline the Solution?
From her wheelchair, Jackie Strange, the former Deputy Postmaster
General of the United States spoke of the destruction of her life at
hearings by the Institute of Medicine at the National Academy of
Sciences in Washington, DC.
Infections, peripheral neuropathy, and a myriad of autoimmune diseases
struck in both rapid and slow succession following her implantation
with saline filled, silicone implants. Concurrently, the manufacturers
and plastic surgeons were creating a multi-media blitz touting saline
implants from billboards, glossy magazines and TV. With ads
reminiscent of "You've come a long way, baby," young women were
featured praising their implants and plastic surgeons did the Talk
Show circuit assuring women that saline was "natural" and leakage
benign.
In Spring, 2000, in spite of over 50,000 reports of serious adverse
reactions from water-filled implants, the FDA made the fateful
decision to give their highly valued stamp of "safety approval" on two
brands of saline implants, declaring them "safe enough." How can this
be?
The manufacturers own studies show that within just the first 3 years,
nearly 40% of post-mastectomy patients had to have additional
surgeries with these implants.
The complication rate for these women is around 80% in just 4 years
time. After cancer, invasive surgery to remove the tumors, often
radiation and / or chemotherapy, the body is simply not strong enough
to handle this foreign invader.
Even for women wanting implants just for augmentation to boost their
self-esteem, the complication rates are staggering. Glamour Magazine,
in their November 2000 issue published a full page photo revealing a
saline filled implant, entirely black with aspergillus niger and other
fungi.
Breast Cancer and Implants - No Easy Answers
Nearly 200,000 American women -- our sisters, mothers, teachers,
lovers, daughters, friends -- will be diagnosed with breast cancer
this year. Cancer and implant survivor, retired Professor of Health
Education, Henrietta Farber, recently summarized the feelings of many
who know, "The cancer was challenging.
The implants almost killed me." While the manufacturers press releases
rage "The Case Against Implants Collapses," and try to close this ugly
chapter in medical history, the women, now united, have a plan of
their own. With the health of women and their offspring at stake,
Martha Murdock, Co-Founder of the National Silicone Implant Foundation
in Dallas, with four generations of her family affected by silicone
toxicity, says it best, "It's not over 'til we win."
Risks of Breast Implants
1. Implants can rupture during mammography.
2. Implants make routine self exams and mammography more difficult.
More views are necessary, meaning additional radiation each time.
3. Implant rupture can go undetected for years and silicone is known
to migrate through the lymph system and has been found in the brains,
spinal fluid, ovaries, livers, and other organs of implanted women.
4. Implants are not lifetime devices, and may need to be replaced
(even without systemic problems) more than once a decade.
5. At any time infections are possible, including fungal and
antibiotic resistant bacterial infestations.
6. Loss of breast sensation, especially around the nipple area is
reported, as well as hyper-senstivity to touch.
7. Capsular contracture can be very uncomfortable, to the point of
severe pain and deformation.
8. Many women have experienced severe necrosis and other forms of
breast tissue loss.
9. Many women have experienced serious autoimmune diseases post
implantation including: rheumatoid arthritis, scleroderma, multiple
sclerosis, Sj�grens Syndrome (severe dry mouth, eyes, etc.), and
lupus.
Those women with pre-existing compromised immune systems are now
warned to avoid implants.
10. Disproportional numbers of implanted women have reported
neurological and cognitive complications, as well as endocrine
disruption including hysterectomies, miscarriage.
11. Children born of implanted women have experienced the same
autoimmune conditions and have been seriously inadequately studied.
12. Breast implants often negatively affect the ability to produce
milk for breast-feeding.
13. Health insurance carriers are routinely denying coverage for
implanted (and explanted) women.
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Ilena Rosenthal is the author of Breast Implants: The Myths, the
Facts, the Women. Ms. Rosenthal has been connecting, supporting and
educating women harmed by breast implants for over 9 years.
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Total Health for Longevity Magazine November/December 2000, Volume 22,
Number 6 pages 41-42
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
There is a huge race going on right now ... a race about "what is
good" for us ... and what the vaccination industry and its layers of
public relations flacks and bought off 'scientists' and journalists
and med writers for hire tell us.
Here on Usenet, it's members of this group:
http://www.breastimplantawareness.org/snake-oil.htm
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
In addition, several new anonymous posters and German Healthfraud
Aribert Deckers, "Happy Oyster" who directly promotes GAVI and uses
this vaccination industry "non profit" as his 'reliable source' seems
to have limitless time to attack all of us concerned about vaccination
safety.
While I have little time today or in the near future to discuss this,
I applaud Dr. Leonard Horowitz and many many others who are raising
awareness to the potential debacle humanity faces should GAVI and
Deckers and Barrett and team win the race ... and dangerous and
unproven aluminum, mercury and squalene etc. vaccines get forced upon
us. (see who funds GAVI below).
http://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/horowitzavianfluscamapr09.shtml
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymo4iFDqjvY
Dr. Horowitz has also been targeted by the same flack team in their
futile attempts to discredit his information. May our good Lord
protect us all from the vaccination "Ministry of Truth" ... where les
are"truth" and up is down.
I am particularly concerned since GAVI / WHO are recommending already
that pregnant women be amongst those first vaccinated.
Please please become aware of what is behind these vaccinations and
the enormous propaganda and disinformation that fills all 'media.'
With love from Ilena
Ilena Rose
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
And to Jeffrey P Utz ... who after years of medical school, and a few
years with only a restricted license and then NONE ...
I will not shup up because of you and the other flacks on Usenet who
lie about breast implants and vaccinations.
You are but more noise and disinformation.
Happy Oyster
>Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover:
Really?
The GAVI Alliance save more thant 3 million children.
And Ilena Rosenthal? Did she save even ONE child???
http://www.gavialliance.org/resources/home_1_noflash.jpg
http://www.gavialliance.org/media_centre/press_releases/2008_03_10_uganda.php
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Deadly Disease Eliminated in Children under Five Years of Age in Uganda
Nearly 100 Percent Drop in Hib Meningitis as a Result of Widespread Vaccination
GENEVA, SWITZERLAND, 10 March 2008 - Hib meningitis has been virtually
eliminated in young children in Uganda just five years after the country
introduced Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) vaccine nationwide, according to
an independent study.
Haemophilus influenzae type b is a leading cause of pneumonia and meningitis, an
inflammation of the lining covering the brain and spinal cord. Each year, Hib
kills approximately 400,000 children under five years of age, most of them in
the developing world. It is also responsible for approximately three million
cases of serious illnesses resulting in long-term consequences such as deafness,
paralysis, mental retardation and learning disabilities. The positive results
are outlined in a study to be published in the April issue of The Bulletin of
the World Health Organization, an independent peer-reviewed international public
health journal. Advanced publication of the study can be found at
http://www.who.int/bulletin/publish_ahead_of_print/en/index.html
Upon monitoring occurrence of bacterial meningitis due to Hib between 2001 to
2006, the study’s authors saw marked decline in the disease resulting from
implementation of a new vaccination program. Where monitored, the incidence rate
dropped by 85 percent within four years of vaccine introduction and fell to zero
in the fifth year. The authors estimate that Hib vaccine in the Ugandan
immunisation programme now prevents almost 30,000 cases of severe Hib disease
and 5,000 child deaths (under five years) annually, equivalent to the successful
control of measles in the country.
Funding for Hib vaccine is a major part of the GAVI Alliance's (formerly known
as the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation) programme support to
Uganda. With GAVI support, Uganda was able to introduce 16.5 million doses of
Hib vaccines nationwide from 2002 to 2006. The government chose to use what is
known as a pentavalent vaccine - a 5 in 1 injection that includes vaccines for
Hib as well as diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and hepatitis B.
"GAVI welcomes these extremely positive results" said Dr Julian Lob-Levyt,
Executive Secretary of the GAVI Alliance. "Thanks to the collaborative efforts
of the Ugandan Ministry of Health, the WHO, UNICEF and other partners, we can
applaud a true success in controlling this deadly disease that has too often
claimed so many lives."
Uganda was one of the first GAVI-eligible countries to adopt Hib vaccine,
preceding what is now a global trend. According to a recent report released by
WHO, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Hib Initiative,
between 2004 and 2007 the proportion of the 72 poorest countries eligible for
GAVI support using or approved to use Hib vaccine increased from 18 percent to
65 percent. In November, the GAVI board approved additional funding for Hib
vaccine, bringing the total number of countries with approved proposals to 44.
"This is excellent news for the future generations of Ugandanchildren. Uganda
has been afrontrunner in the Africa region in adopting this life-saving vaccine.
The leadership of early introducers such as Uganda, Kenyaand The Gambia
hasstronglyinfluencedthe decisions of many other countries in the region to
adoptHib vaccine. Today, 83% of the GAVI-eligible countries in Africa have now
included or will soon include Hib vaccine in their national immunization
programmes” says Rana Hajjeh, Director of the Hib Initiative.
"We are proud of the results of this study. It's encouraging to know that these
kinds of interventions in Uganda and elsewhere are making a significant
contribution towards achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing
mortality in children less than 5 years of age," says Dr Sam Zaramba, Director
General of Uganda Ministry of Health "And GAVI's support was catalytic in
allowing us to tackle this disease quickly and efficiently."
The Government of Uganda recently committed national resources to procure Hib
vaccine for its infant immunisation programme, in line with the GAVI
co-financing policy.
"The introduction of Hib vaccine has now completely changed the epidemiology of
bacterial meningitis in Uganda, with elimination of meningitis due to Hib as a
public health problem" says Dr Kekitiinwa - Pediatrician at Mulago Hospital,in
Kampala Uganda, co-author of the study. "High quality surveillance has allowed
us to understand and monitor those trends to ensure the quality of the
immunisation programme, improve collaboration between clinicians and
laboratories and inform on drug susceptibility for the common organisms."
Although Hib vaccines for infants were first licensed in 1991 and have since
been widely adopted in industrialised countries, they have not been used
extensively in the developing world due to multiple barriers such as limited Hib
disease awareness, uncertainty about the burden of disease and concerns about
the financial and logistical implications of vaccine introduction. It took
almost 15 years for the Hib vaccine to be introduced in developing countries
after it was first licensed.
There are efforts underway to bridge this gap by reducing the number of years
developing countries have to wait to benefit from new vaccines. In 2007, a pilot
Advance Market Commitment (AMC) was announced, aiming at accelerating the
introduction of new vaccines in poor countries.
The Uganda results follow similar results found in Bangladesh, Kenya, Chile, the
Gambia, the United Kingdom, and United States. These studies have all concluded
that Hib vaccine cuts the incidence of disease by 88% or more within 3 to 5
years.
In July 2007, a study from Bangladesh showed that routine immunisation of
infants with a Hib conjugate vaccine prevented over one third of
life-threatening pneumonia cases and approximately 90% of Hib meningitis cases.
A Kenyan study in 2006 showed that the Hib vaccine cut the incidence of disease
by 88% within 3 years. The authors say that vaccinating against the bacterium
Haemophilus influenzae type b prevented approximately 3,370 Kenyan children from
being hospitalised in 2005.
The authors say that prior studies have shown that for every child with Hib
meningitis in developing countries, there may be 5 to 10 others with Hib-related
pneumonia, which is also preventable by vaccination. To achieve results more
quickly, the WHO position paper on Hib vaccine recommends that children at
highest risk, those under 2 years of age, be offered immunization at the time of
vaccine introduction.
The GAVI Alliance
The GAVI Alliance is a public-private partnership of major stakeholders in
vaccines and immunisation. It includes developing country and donor governments,
the World Health Organization, UNICEF, the World Bank, the vaccine industry in
both industrialised and developing countries, research and technical agencies,
NGOs, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and other private philanthropists. WHO
projections show that GAVI support has prevented more than 2.9 million future
deaths by the end of 2007.
GAVI's efforts are critical to achieving the Millennium Development Goal on
child health, which calls for reducing childhood mortality by two thirds by
2015. Of the 10 million children who die before reaching their fifth birthday
every year, 2.5 million die from diseases that could be prevented with currently
available or new vaccines.
For more information, please visit: http://www.gavialliance.org
The Hib Initiative
In December 2005, the GAVI Alliance launched a $37 million program called the
Hib Initiative, which unites infectious disease experts from Johns Hopkins
Bloomberg School of Public Health, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical
Medicine, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and WHO to
advance evidence-informed decision-making regarding the use of Hib vaccine in
the developing world. An estimated 3 million cases of Hib disease occur each
year in children under the age of 5 years, resulting in approximately 400,000
deaths. For
more information, please visit: http://www.hibaction.org
For more information, please contact:
GAVI Alliance:
Jeffrey Rowland, (Geneva)
+41 22 909 7165 office
+ 41 79 240 45 59 mobile
jrowland [bat] gavialliance.org
Carol Vieira (New York)
+1 (401) 714-0821 office
+1 (571) 723.2432 mobile
CVieira [bat] burnesscommunications.com
Photo requests:
Sandra Scolari
+41 22 909 6528 office
sscolari [bat] gavialliance.org
Michel Aublanc (Paris)
+33 6 08 71 97 95 mobile
michel.aublanc [bat] wanadoo.fr
Cathy Bartley (London)
+44 208 694 9138 office
+44 795 856 1671 mobile
cathy.bartley [bat] bartley-robbs.co.uk
Claudio Tanca(Rome)
+39 06 697 6661 office
+39 347 530 9256 mobile
ctanca [bat] apcoworldwide.com
B-roll:
Download at
http://www.gavialliance.org/media_centre/videos/broadcast/index.php
Hib Initiative:
Lois Privor-Dumm
+1 410 502 4292 office
+1 484 354 8054 mobile
lprivord [bat] jhsph.edu
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Vaccination saves lives.
Aribert Deckers
Happy Oyster
Where are the FACTS? The REAL, CORRECT, and PROVEN medical FACTS?
Ilena Rosenthal has none.
Okay, here is a fact: GAVI saved the lives of 3.4 million children:
Jeff
I have never lied about anything on Usenet.
Please wait until you stop making noise and distributing misinformation
to talk about what others do. A perfect example is you distributing an
advertisement as if it is news.
You will *NOT* prevent me from speaking the truth.
Jeff
Mark Probert
> With love from Ilena
I must have missed the love.
Jeff
I guess the dangerous practices she advocates got in the way.
Mark Probert
> Happy Sunday from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
> Please check my vaccination links here.
>
> Yes ... the pseudo skeptics chime in to claim how dumb and useless I
> am ...
You are not useless. Otrher -lesses may apply, but useless does not.
Peter B.
> Now reality has struck as they join scores of thousands of ill and
> disfigured women in learning the hidden truth - their cherished breast
> implants may cost them their insurance, their health, their beauty,
> their vitality, their families, their careers, and too often, even
> their lives.
>
Ignorant boob on an agenda, what has this to do with the subject? Your
subject.
Mark Probert
> You are but more noise
My irony meter: http://www.ep.tc/comics/h-bomb/index.html
> and disinformation.
Please show where Jeff has posted misinformation about anything. And,
PUHLEESE, skip the personal attacks.
Peter B.
> Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover:
>>
> I will not shup up because of you and the other flacks on Usenet who
> lie about breast implants and vaccinations.
>
You are too stupid to shut up. You are agenda driven, facts mean little
to you.
Booby implants do not belong in this thread. Keep your boobs out of it.
Mark Probert
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
I would prefer that stooping to the Alties' levelnot be done. It
diminishes the argument for RealMedicine.
Jan Drew
Jan Drew
Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. (alias Robert Watson, Wyle E. Coyote, Jeffrey
Peter, M.D, aka Putz the pharma shill)
Ad Hominem Newsgroups
See: Newsgroup pharma trolls
Website
"They are running a monopoly and they will lie, cheat and steal to
keep it that way."---Dr Eva Snead
["Putz" is a classic who claims to be a free thinking person "open to
all evidence" (hence his shill status) but just pushes the allopathic
line 100%. A good example to observe for people who can't seem to
believe medicine is a business first and foremost, before the health
of you and your kids. A member of Shill Quackwatch's HealthFraud
list.]
Oh yeah?
"I have not seen anyone who is employed by the pharmaceutical
companies here."--Putz
He must have read the manual:
"ANY NG posting by a targeted proponent for truth can result in an
IMMEDIATE response. The government and other empowered players can
afford to pay people to sit there and watch for an opportunity to do
some damage. SINCE DISINFO IN A NG ONLY WORKS IF THE READER SEES IT -
FAST RESPONSE IS CALLED FOR, or the visitor may be swayed towards
truth."--The 8 Traits of A Disinformationalist by H. Michael Sweeney
Use numerous alias & e mails so your non-conscience political position
doesn't come back to haunt you:
Real one on HealthFraud list: Jeffrey Peter Joseph Utz, M.D.
jef...@juno.com
[2007] "Robert Watson" kidsd...@hotmail.com
Jeff Utz jtest...@juno.com
Jeff Utz, M.D. jef...@juno.com
Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. jef...@softhome.net Hence "Putz" http://www.msu.edu/~utz/
u...@pilot.msu.edu
Jeffrey Peter, M.D. kidsd...@hotmail.com
Wyle E. Coyote wyle_e_...@hotmail.com
Jeff Utz kidsd...@hotmail.com (Jan 2003)
Jeff jef...@pacbell.net
Jeff je...@hotmail.com (2007)
Then have the cheek:
"Next time you want to back up your claims, please cite a real site,
not one by some asshole who is too ashamed to put his name on it."
Complain about personal attacks
Nice personal attacks, whoever this person is. None of the email
addresses are valid and the web page doesn't work. And calling this
person a "putz?" Come on, only an idiot would not think this is not a
personal attack.
Then attack personally
After all, the whaleto pages are clearly written by some twit who
doesn't understand medicine or science and who is too ashamed to put
her name on the pages. Can't blame her. (jan 6/2007)
Correct. There is no evidence that John ever had any intelligence. ;-)
Yazbak is an ass.
Smith was a clueless twit. Apparently, he was a good actor though.
"Too bad you can't see what a jerk you are."
"Warning: The whale.to site is maintained bys someone who knows almost
nothign about medicine and peditarics or vaccines and science. The
author is too ashamed to put hi name on the page. I don't blame
him."---Putz
John wears an Aluminum foil beanie which prevents him from getting a
clue. While I agree that he is unable to get a clue, it is not the
aluminum foil beanie. It is what is underneath it.--Jeff
Vaccine safety is a favourite hate of Putz:
Parent stories/anecdotes don't count "The plural of anecdote is not
data."--Putz
Media stories don't count
Case studies don't count "Case studies are anecdotes. Nice
try.....These are anecdotes. DUH. Not data."--Putz
Court judgements don't count "The courts don't prove anything. Except,
maybe, who has the better lawyer or a kid who need sympathy."--Putz
VAERS doesn't count
"NVICP doesn't count" http://www.whale.to/vaccines/nvicp.htm
Only scientific studies done by the vaccine makers count and they
never do any on vaccine damage, they are only being done by the likes
of Wakefield who Putz, of course, hates http://www.whale.to/vaccine/mmr58.html
"Wakefield's study is just pure garbage."--Putz
Flog the old propaganda ploys:
Peer review "Yet, the fact remains that mercury fears ARE unfounded.
If I am incorrect, please provide peer-reviewed evidence to the
contrary."
Anecdotes "Case studies are anecdotes. Nice try.....These are
anecdotes. DUH. Not data.....The plural of anecdote is not data."--
Putz
Ad Hominem "This whale to site is rubish. The author is so ashamed of
it, he does not even put his name on the site. The site is clearly not
by someone who has a clue about medicine or vaccination. Nor is he
interested in the truth. For accurate information go to Immunization
Action Coalition http://www.immunize.org/" ---Jeffrey Peter, M.D.
<kidsd...@hotmail.com"
Relentless Allopathic and Elite propaganda
"Hemeopathic medicine is also unproven. It is just distilled water. No
wonder it has not been proven."
"ADHD, autism, MS, and other stuff has never been linked to
vaccinations. They have been hypothesized to be caused by
vaccinations. However, good studies have not shown that this is the
case."
"Chiropractic, naturopathy and homeopathy are worthless. They do not
work (except for the practioner's pocketbook)."
"Yet human studies show that DPT is safe" then "DPT is not 100% safe.
Nothing is."--Putz
Nutritional medical doctors are all assholes http://www.whale.to/m/doctors3.html
"Orthomolecular medicine? That is unproven bullshit. Anyone who buys
it is wasting his money."--Putz
"Chelation therapy is useless too."
"The fact of the matter is that proper diet and nutrition is important
for maintaining health. But nurtitional medicine does nothing to cure
most diseases."--Putz
"Herbal remedies DO NOT work. I guess physicians and other people want
to see patients get effective treatment that works without wasting
time and moneyon useless crap."
"Give us a break again. Vitamin C is not the cure for any viral
disease."
"Give a us a break. The Spanish flu was caused by a virus."
The guy believes in orthomolecular medicine. A lack of understanding
is expected. (Jan 16, 2007)
"Aspartame does not cause cancer in humans."
The fact is that the scientific debate about whether vaccines cause
autism or not has been settled. Vaccines don't cause autism. (Jan 16,
2007)
Another useless website with poor information. Notice how the author
of the site doesn't even put her name on the site. I guess she is too
ashamed. I can't blame her, the way she clearly doesn't have a clue
about science, medicine and immunology. The only thing she is good at
is making links to stupid sites, making the whale the laughing stock
of the internet.
re: Naturopathic therapy:
"Actually, enemas are bad for you, unless needed for a specific
medical reason. Enemas can cause water and electrolyte imbalances and
rupture the colon. They are not recommended by physician, except for
specific conditions.There is no evidence that they work to improve
health (except for specific medical reasons under the advice of a
physician), and the theory about toxins on which the treatment is
based is not backed by any medical evidence. And enemas in kids are
especially dangerous and unneeded (except on the advice of a
physician)."
"Wouldn't what detox is. It is really an old theory, like that used
Hippocrates. There is no evidence for it. And plenty of evidence
against it."--Putz
Putz classics (and typical vaccinator) with contradiction in the same
sentence:
"Yet human studies show that DPT is safe" then "DPT is not 100% safe.
Nothing is."--Putz
"Mercury is taken out of vaccines to help ensure their safety. There
is no evidence that the mercury in the vaccines causes any harm.
However, the experts want to make sure that everything is done to keep
vaccines as safe as possible."--Putz
"The reason why doctors are trained to believe that vaccines are safe
is that they *ARE* safe. Yet they do have some risks, and doctors are
trained about these risks too."
Spin classics
"The germs don;t need to be injected into a kid's body. Kids get cuts
and scrapes all the time. Kids have feces (full of germs -- why do you
think it stinks) in their intestines. And bacteria on their skin and
in their respiratory tract all the time. The immune challange from a
vaccine is nothing like the immune challenge kdis get every day."
"The (VAERS) reports are not reports of reactions that happen after a
vaccine is given, but rather adverse events that happen after a
vaccine is given." --Putz
Some Putz critics:
"LOL ... this is the fake pediatrician who claimed that there was: "no
evidence" exists that "silicon" (your mistake it's
silicone) ...implants cause harm." There are hundreds of thousands of
women who have been seriously harmed by their silicone implants ... He
remains blind, deaf, dumber than dumb ... and and a Quack Vac
Flack ...God help anyone who believes anything he says as he hides
behind a label of pediatrician." ----Ilena Rosenthal
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org
"Okay, enough is enough, Jeff. In the interest of fairness and
accuracy, I've rewritten the above paragraph for you:
"The whale to page is not recommended BY ME, A WANNABE DOC, as a site
from which one could gather accurate information. The author of the
site (who appears to be to ashamed to put his name on it, JUST AS I,
UNTIL RECENTLY, REFUSED TO SIGN MY POSTS WITH MY REAL NAME, INSTEAD
PREFERRING TO CALL MYSELF "JEFFREY PETER, MD" OR "WYLE E. COYOTE")
appears to have no understanding of science, medicine, infectious
disease or vaccines, UNLIKE I, WHO AM ALWAYS EAGER TO PARROT THE
LATEST DECLARATIONS FROM GOVERNMENT HEALTH BUREAUCRATS (e.g., HHS, THE
CDC/ACIP) OR VARIOUS MEDICAL ASSOCIATIONS (e.g., THE AMA AND AAP)."
John's site is a valuable resource; it's a great compendium of vaccine
information. If you have actually ever gone there--http://
www.whale.to/vaccines.html (that is, to any page other than the one
dedicated to you, http://www.whale.to/m/putz.html, one of *my*
favorites)--Jeff, which I doubt, you'd know that John even provides
links to your sacred authorities' Web sites. (Your site-- http://www.msu.edu/~utz/
--is just dandy, too, Jeff... for those looking for links to TV Guide
listings and a potato chip manufacturer.)"--JG
Main haunt:
news:misc.kids.health
The Pharma song
Considering that NO ONE got small pox last year and very few people in
the US get measles, mumps, rubella (and rubella related birth
defects), vaccines have save thousands of lives. There are far fewer
cases of meningitis each year from Hib. There is less liver cancer
becaue of the Hep B vaccine. Saving lives is no hoax. The only hoax
here is the whale.to site.
Either that or they want *accurate* information on vaccines on the
site. Clearly, the whale.to site is not accurate. The author does not
have a clue about science or medicine.I guess the editors at wikipedia
are doing a good job of keeping only evidence-based information on
medicine present. Jeff
Jan Drew
Jeffrey P. Utz, M.D. (alias Robert Watson, Wyle E. Coyote, Jeffrey
Jan Drew
Happy Sunday from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Please check my vaccination links here.
There is a huge race going on right now ... a race about "what is
good" for us ... and what the vaccination industry and its layers of
public relations flacks and bought off 'scientists' and journalists
and med writers for hire tell us.
Here on Usenet, it's members of this group:
http://www.breastimplantawareness.org/snake-oil.htm
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
In addition, several new anonymous posters and German Healthfraud
Aribert Deckers, "Happy Oyster" who directly promotes GAVI and uses
this vaccination industry "non profit" as his 'reliable source' seems
to have limitless time to attack all of us concerned about
vaccination
safety.
While I have little time today or in the near future to discuss this,
Jan Drew
lol. Whatever Otrher is.
Jan Drew
Poor Makey. Whatever levelnot is.
Bob Officer, you and the *gang* are flooding Usenet, and all the above
groups,
With endless complete nonsense.
Peter B.
"Jan Drew" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:19f58c0a-8f85-472a...@l35g2000vba.googlegroups.com...
Said nothing of her own volition, she is parroting? Or just your typical
stage dummy?
Peter B.
"Bob Officer" <bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
news:86p395lctnmu02d6i...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
ROTFL
Peter B.
On Aug 23, 7:57�pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Aug 23, 12:24�pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>
Again Janet said nothing, she only parroted Ilena. ***** leading the
dumb?
Mark Probert
Hi, idiot (that is an insult to idiots).
"Otrher" is a typographical error.
I am always glad to expand your indredibly limited knowledge.
Peter B.
=========================================
Not me, I snipped most all of your drivel. ;)
Mark Probert
> On Aug 23, 9:14 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 23, 8:54 pm, Bob Officer <boboffic...@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>
> > > On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 16:57:19 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
> > > Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>
> > > >> With love from Ilena
>
> > > >I must have missed the love.
>
> > > Wrong street corner?
>
> > I would prefer that stooping to the Alties' levelnot be done. It
> > diminishes the argument for RealMedicine.
>
> Poor Makey. Whatever levelnot is.
I have told you dozens of times it is called a typographical error.
Sadly, learning is not one of your strong suits.
In fact, learning is a skill you have never demonstrated.
>
> Bob Officer, you and the *gang* are flooding Usenet, and all the above
> groups,
> With endless complete nonsense.
Please post your address. That is the 100th irony meter that you
broke.
Mark Probert
> On Aug 23, 7:57 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>
> > > With love from Ilena
>
> > I must have missed the love.
Another one who misses the love.
Ilena Rose
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Please check my vaccination links here.
There is a huge race going on right now ... a race about "what is
http://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/horowitzavianfluscamapr09.shtml
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymo4iFDqjvY
With love from Ilena
EXCERPT:
http://www.gavialliance.org/about/in_partnership/industrialized/index.php
Peter B.
another parroting post by the original author.
Still sucks big time.
Happy Oyster
>Happy Sunday from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
Well, Jan Drew is too damned stupid to count to 2.
Ilena Rosenthal even can't count to 1. Now she posted that nonsense 4 times
already.
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Better read the bible!
"Vor den Augen der Heiden
sollt ihr alle nun leiden.
Kinder sollen verhungern,
Tiere sollen stets lungern.
V�ter essen die Kinder
Kinder V�ter nicht minder."
Happy Oyster
Don't forget the rules!
Rule #2
Do no think that you could discuss with
*****************************************
a member of the naturopathic mafia scene.
*****************************************
Question: How do I know if someone is part of naturopathic mafia scene?
Answer: Well, they will not tell you, of course. So you have to see their
reactions to certain critical topics and/or patterns of rhetoric.
Question: Why is it impossible to discuss with a member of the naturopathic
mafia scene?
Answer: In a discussion you expect the others to weigh the arguments by
scientific facts, by logic, by mathemacical calculation. In short: by sound
thinking.
But the members of the naturopathic mafia scene do not accept facts as these
facts prove that they, the members of the naturopathic mafia scene, are wrong.
As the kernal of the naturopathic mafia thinking is that "THEY" are right, they
MUST NOT accept anything else.
So they start to insult, talk in circles, go wild, bomb you with spam, call your
employer... and all those nice things, which the scene is known for.
EXAMPLE A
=========
An amusing incident happened in 2009, when a person, who had shot more than
60,000 postings into the net, demonstrated, that she even is too stupid to count
to 2.
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:11:53 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>[person who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] wrote in message
>news:e5d4c9a4-edb6-429e...@y17g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
>On Jul 9, 8:51 pm, "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "Jan Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>>
>> news:rzd5m.6677$kA....@nlpi068.nbdc.sbc.com...
>>
>>
>>
>> > Posted that Noah his son's birthday was 11/26/96 (my birthday).
>>
>> > He has numerous posts that are [person who is stalked by Jan Drew for years]
>>
>> > 2009- 1946 = 64 -in November. My math is not wrong.
>>
>> > Thus, [person who is stalked by Jan Drew for years] is a liar.
>
>Since November 2009 is in the future, I will not be 63 until then.
>
>You are amazingly stupid.
>
>November 26th 2009 is in 2009.
>2009-1946 YOU will be 64, not 63. You are 63 now. On November 26, 2009 you
>will be 64.
>Period.
>
>Thanks for proving you are a liar again.
>And, I am correct. You and you alone posted your birthday.
To make things a bit easier to see, this is a table of events.
A person born on 26.11. 1946 is on
26.11.1946 born
26.11.1947 1 year old
26.11.1948 2 years old
26.11.1949 3 years old
26.11.1950 4 years old
26.11.1951 5 years old
26.11.1952 6 years old
26.11.1953 7 years old
26.11.1954 8 years old
26.11.1955 9 years old
26.11.1956 10 years old
26.11.1957 11 years old
26.11.1958 12 years old
26.11.1959 13 years old
26.11.1960 14 years old
26.11.1961 15 years old
26.11.1962 16 years old
26.11.1963 17 years old
26.11.1964 18 years old
26.11.1965 19 years old
26.11.1966 20 years old
26.11.1967 21 years old
26.11.1968 22 years old
26.11.1969 23 years old
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26.11.1971 25 years old
26.11.1972 26 years old
26.11.1973 27 years old
26.11.1974 28 years old
26.11.1975 29 years old
26.11.1976 30 years old
26.11.1977 31 years old
26.11.1978 32 years old
26.11.1979 33 years old
26.11.1980 34 years old
26.11.1981 35 years old
26.11.1982 36 years old
26.11.1983 37 years old
26.11.1984 38 years old
26.11.1985 39 years old
26.11.1986 40 years old
26.11.1987 41 years old
26.11.1988 42 years old
26.11.1989 43 years old
26.11.1990 44 years old
26.11.1991 45 years old
26.11.1992 46 years old
26.11.1993 47 years old
26.11.1994 48 years old
26.11.1995 49 years old
26.11.1996 50 years old
26.11.1997 51 years old
26.11.1998 52 years old
26.11.1999 53 years old
26.11.2000 54 years old
26.11.2001 55 years old
26.11.2002 56 years old
26.11.2003 57 years old
26.11.2004 58 years old
26.11.2005 59 years old
26.11.2006 60 years old
26.11.2007 61 years old
26.11.2008 62 years old
26.11.2009 63 years old
************************
26.11.2010 64 years old
On the 26.11. 2009 that person WILL BECOME 63 years old!
********************************************************
But, see above, Jan Drew still insists:
>2009-1946 = 63. On oivember 26 of this year he will be 64.
Now, a person born on 26.11. 1946 is on the very day "26.11.1946" BORN.
1 year later it will be 1 year old:
26.11.1947 1 year old
According to my timeline at 26.11.2009 it will be 63 years old.
But Jan Drew insists on
On oivember 26 of this year he will be 64.
Will Jan Drew be able to point where in my timeline there is an error?
Will Jan Drew be able to explain it?
Or will she, as usual, bring nothing but more lies, insults, forgeries, or other
mess?
The answer is: Jan Drew still insists on her ***OBVIOUS*** false claim. So Jan
Drew is obviously not able to count to 2.
Would you try to discuss with a person who cannot even count to 2?
EXAMPLE B
=========
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com> is constantly bombing the net
with his *claimed* religious-based rhetoric warfare.
A list of typical quotes of Andrew B. Chung is irregularly posted.
Andrew B. Chung supports mass murder:
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Daily Spirit-guided WDJW health tip for 08/10/09
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:21:53 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <fa267b2a-e0e9-4dae...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
Retiring people from existence in this world and taking them up to
******************************************************************
heaven is not murder :-)
********************
</quote>
Would you try to discuss with a person who supports mass murder?
Happy Oyster
Did Jan Drew ever save the life of child?
http://www.gavialliance.org/resources/home_1_noflash.jpg
http://www.gavialliance.org/media_centre/press_releases/2008_03_10_uganda.php
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Deadly Disease Eliminated in Children under Five Years of Age in Uganda
Nearly 100 Percent Drop in Hib Meningitis as a Result of Widespread Vaccination
GENEVA, SWITZERLAND, 10 March 2008 - Hib meningitis has been virtually
eliminated in young children in Uganda just five years after the country
introduced Haemophilus influenzae type b (Hib) vaccine nationwide, according to
an independent study.
Haemophilus influenzae type b is a leading cause of pneumonia and meningitis, an
inflammation of the lining covering the brain and spinal cord. Each year, Hib
kills approximately 400,000 children under five years of age, most of them in
the developing world. It is also responsible for approximately three million
cases of serious illnesses resulting in long-term consequences such as deafness,
paralysis, mental retardation and learning disabilities. The positive results
are outlined in a study to be published in the April issue of The Bulletin of
the World Health Organization, an independent peer-reviewed international public
health journal. Advanced publication of the study can be found at
http://www.who.int/bulletin/publish_ahead_of_print/en/index.html
Upon monitoring occurrence of bacterial meningitis due to Hib between 2001 to
2006, the study’s authors saw marked decline in the disease resulting from
implementation of a new vaccination program. Where monitored, the incidence rate
dropped by 85 percent within four years of vaccine introduction and fell to zero
in the fifth year. The authors estimate that Hib vaccine in the Ugandan
immunisation programme now prevents almost 30,000 cases of severe Hib disease
and 5,000 child deaths (under five years) annually, equivalent to the successful
control of measles in the country.
Funding for Hib vaccine is a major part of the GAVI Alliance's (formerly known
as the Global Alliance for Vaccines and Immunisation) programme support to
Uganda. With GAVI support, Uganda was able to introduce 16.5 million doses of
Hib vaccines nationwide from 2002 to 2006. The government chose to use what is
known as a pentavalent vaccine - a 5 in 1 injection that includes vaccines for
Hib as well as diphtheria, pertussis, tetanus, and hepatitis B.
"GAVI welcomes these extremely positive results" said Dr Julian Lob-Levyt,
Executive Secretary of the GAVI Alliance. "Thanks to the collaborative efforts
of the Ugandan Ministry of Health, the WHO, UNICEF and other partners, we can
applaud a true success in controlling this deadly disease that has too often
claimed so many lives."
Uganda was one of the first GAVI-eligible countries to adopt Hib vaccine,
preceding what is now a global trend. According to a recent report released by
WHO, the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention and the Hib Initiative,
between 2004 and 2007 the proportion of the 72 poorest countries eligible for
GAVI support using or approved to use Hib vaccine increased from 18 percent to
65 percent. In November, the GAVI board approved additional funding for Hib
vaccine, bringing the total number of countries with approved proposals to 44.
"This is excellent news for the future generations of Ugandanchildren. Uganda
has been afrontrunner in the Africa region in adopting this life-saving vaccine.
The leadership of early introducers such as Uganda, Kenyaand The Gambia
hasstronglyinfluencedthe decisions of many other countries in the region to
adoptHib vaccine. Today, 83% of the GAVI-eligible countries in Africa have now
included or will soon include Hib vaccine in their national immunization
programmes” says Rana Hajjeh, Director of the Hib Initiative.
"We are proud of the results of this study. It's encouraging to know that these
kinds of interventions in Uganda and elsewhere are making a significant
contribution towards achieving the Millennium Development Goal of reducing
mortality in children less than 5 years of age," says Dr Sam Zaramba, Director
General of Uganda Ministry of Health "And GAVI's support was catalytic in
allowing us to tackle this disease quickly and efficiently."
The Government of Uganda recently committed national resources to procure Hib
vaccine for its infant immunisation programme, in line with the GAVI
co-financing policy.
"The introduction of Hib vaccine has now completely changed the epidemiology of
bacterial meningitis in Uganda, with elimination of meningitis due to Hib as a
public health problem" says Dr Kekitiinwa - Pediatrician at Mulago Hospital,in
Kampala Uganda, co-author of the study. "High quality surveillance has allowed
us to understand and monitor those trends to ensure the quality of the
immunisation programme, improve collaboration between clinicians and
laboratories and inform on drug susceptibility for the common organisms."
Although Hib vaccines for infants were first licensed in 1991 and have since
been widely adopted in industrialised countries, they have not been used
extensively in the developing world due to multiple barriers such as limited Hib
disease awareness, uncertainty about the burden of disease and concerns about
the financial and logistical implications of vaccine introduction. It took
almost 15 years for the Hib vaccine to be introduced in developing countries
after it was first licensed.
There are efforts underway to bridge this gap by reducing the number of years
developing countries have to wait to benefit from new vaccines. In 2007, a pilot
Advance Market Commitment (AMC) was announced, aiming at accelerating the
introduction of new vaccines in poor countries.
The Uganda results follow similar results found in Bangladesh, Kenya, Chile, the
Gambia, the United Kingdom, and United States. These studies have all concluded
that Hib vaccine cuts the incidence of disease by 88% or more within 3 to 5
years.
In July 2007, a study from Bangladesh showed that routine immunisation of
infants with a Hib conjugate vaccine prevented over one third of
life-threatening pneumonia cases and approximately 90% of Hib meningitis cases.
A Kenyan study in 2006 showed that the Hib vaccine cut the incidence of disease
by 88% within 3 years. The authors say that vaccinating against the bacterium
Haemophilus influenzae type b prevented approximately 3,370 Kenyan children from
being hospitalised in 2005.
The authors say that prior studies have shown that for every child with Hib
meningitis in developing countries, there may be 5 to 10 others with Hib-related
pneumonia, which is also preventable by vaccination. To achieve results more
quickly, the WHO position paper on Hib vaccine recommends that children at
highest risk, those under 2 years of age, be offered immunization at the time of
vaccine introduction.
The GAVI Alliance
The GAVI Alliance is a public-private partnership of major stakeholders in
vaccines and immunisation. It includes developing country and donor governments,
the World Health Organization, UNICEF, the World Bank, the vaccine industry in
both industrialised and developing countries, research and technical agencies,
NGOs, the Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation and other private philanthropists. WHO
projections show that GAVI support has prevented more than 2.9 million future
deaths by the end of 2007.
GAVI's efforts are critical to achieving the Millennium Development Goal on
child health, which calls for reducing childhood mortality by two thirds by
2015. Of the 10 million children who die before reaching their fifth birthday
every year, 2.5 million die from diseases that could be prevented with currently
available or new vaccines.
For more information, please visit: http://www.gavialliance.org
The Hib Initiative
In December 2005, the GAVI Alliance launched a $37 million program called the
Hib Initiative, which unites infectious disease experts from Johns Hopkins
Bloomberg School of Public Health, the London School of Hygiene and Tropical
Medicine, the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC), and WHO to
advance evidence-informed decision-making regarding the use of Hib vaccine in
the developing world. An estimated 3 million cases of Hib disease occur each
year in children under the age of 5 years, resulting in approximately 400,000
deaths. For
more information, please visit: http://www.hibaction.org
For more information, please contact:
GAVI Alliance:
Jeffrey Rowland, (Geneva)
+41 22 909 7165 office
+ 41 79 240 45 59 mobile
jrowland [bat] gavialliance.org
Carol Vieira (New York)
+1 (401) 714-0821 office
+1 (571) 723.2432 mobile
CVieira [bat] burnesscommunications.com
Photo requests:
Sandra Scolari
+41 22 909 6528 office
sscolari [bat] gavialliance.org
Michel Aublanc (Paris)
+33 6 08 71 97 95 mobile
michel.aublanc [bat] wanadoo.fr
Cathy Bartley (London)
+44 208 694 9138 office
+44 795 856 1671 mobile
cathy.bartley [bat] bartley-robbs.co.uk
Claudio Tanca(Rome)
+39 06 697 6661 office
+39 347 530 9256 mobile
ctanca [bat] apcoworldwide.com
B-roll:
Download at
http://www.gavialliance.org/media_centre/videos/broadcast/index.php
Hib Initiative:
Lois Privor-Dumm
+1 410 502 4292 office
+1 484 354 8054 mobile
lprivord [bat] jhsph.edu
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[*/QUOTE*]
Vaccination saves lives.
Aribert Deckers
Happy Oyster
Oh, better not forget the rules!
Rule #3
A "scientific proof" by the naturopathic mafia is neither scientific nor proof
****************************************************************************
Question: There are so many scientific studies by naturopathic researchers
which prove that they are right.
Why does the "normal scientific world" not follow them?
Answer: The naturopathic scene abuses the word science. Many, if not most
studies do not fulfill even the simplest rules of scientific logic.
Actually, the naturopathic mafia scene invents a "science" of its
own, in which not facts, but the shere belief is put as a proof.
A) The trick with the magic word "experience"
A) The trick with the magic word "experience"
=============================================
One of the magic words of the naturopathic mafia is "experience" , "we have
experienced"... and they set the "experience" to be superior to the facts which
scientific studies have shown.
But what IS experience? Experience is nothing else but all the facts which one
can find during the test or work with a certain healing method. And, this is
important, in one's experience one also includes all the negative things which
were seen. So one could make a table and write down ALL these things, the good
ones and the bad ones. In the end one could sum it up to make statistics.
Statistics is a tool for scientific research. But, and here is THE central
pothole of the homeopaths, the homeopaths deny that they could make statistics.
They even refuse to make statistics.
But how on earth can someone on one side claim he has experience, and on the
other side tell you that he can not write down and count the incidents which
happened?
The behavior of the homeopaths is pure schizophrenia: either they HAVE facts,
then they can count them, OR THEY DO NOT HAVE FACTS.
But, as it is, the homeopaths do not count. Most important: they do not count
the bad things. They only count the good things.
Question: What do the homeopaths do in case of bad things?
What do the homeopaths consider as good thing?
Answer: In case of NO bettering of the situation of a patient,
the homeopaths claim that they have not found "the right
arzneimittel", and that they would have to go on in their search.
ALL THESE CASES THEY DO NOT COUNT!
If the condition of a patient gets better (or seems to get better),
this bettering is claimed to have been caused by the homeopathic
arzneimittel used last.
Here we see some very nasty tricks of the mafia.
* One trick is not to count the bad effects.
* One trick is to already have an excuse for the failure:
"We did not find the right remedy
BECAUSE OF THE INDIVIDUALITY of the patient."
* One trick is to - whatever has happened - claim that the homeopathic remedy
has caused the bettering.
One outrageously criminal case happened some years ago when a "study" was made
(if I remember correctly with some HIV patients) where these patients were given
the standard scientific treatment AND some homeopathic stuff. AND THEN the
bettering was claimed to have been caused by the homeopathic remedy.
Now, if the homeopathic remedy really were this good, why then were the standard
treatment medicaments given? The answer is incredible: "Because we did not want
to be accused of neglecting the patients." (quote out of memory).
So you see many "studies" by homeopaths, in which the standard scientific
treatment is applied (and works!), but the success is claimed to have been
achieved by the homeopathic stuff.
This trick often is disguised and one has to very carefully read the
descriptions of the tests to see how this fraud is done.
Happy Oyster
And they parrot each other in circles...
Peter B.
"Happy Oyster" <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote in message
news:u49495pnfgl1qj9bv...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 20:02:03 -0700, "Peter B." <in...@i-brag.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Ilena Rose" <B...@mundo.com> wrote in message
>>news:r804955ekgar8e5h1...@4ax.com...
>>
>>another parroting post by the original author.
>>
>>Still sucks big time.
>
> And they parrot each other in circles...
>
Yes, both in the same cage. Wonder who cleans up after?
Ilena Rose
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
More good links ... please don't believe the Vaccination Mafia who
profit at the cost of your lives ...
H1N1 October surprise prevention
by Deborah Dupre
Global Research, August 22, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14884
The vaccines are far more deadly than the swine flu
by Dr. Mae-Wan Ho and Prof. Joe Cummins
Global Research, August 21, 2009
Institute of Science in Society - 2009-07-27
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14869
Children Who Get the Flu Vaccine Have Three Times Risk
Of Hospitalization For Flu, Study Suggests
Global Research, August 21, 2009
ScienceDaily - 2009-05-20
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14868
What's the Danger of Swine Flu Vaccinations?
by Dr. Anders Bruun Laursen
Global Research, August 20, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14851
Pandemic Vaccination - Why You Should Be Concerned
by Dr. A. True Ott
Global Research, August 18, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14821
British Nurses refuse to have the swine flu vaccination
by Daniel Martin
Global Research, August 18, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14828
Swine Flu Vaccine Linked to Deadly Nerve Disease
by Jo Macfarlane
Global Research, August 16, 2009
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14787
The Worldwide H1N1 Swine Flu Pandemic.
The WHO plans to vaccinate more than half the World's population
by Global Research
Global Research, August 4, 2009
http://globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14629
Vaccination Myths and Truths
by Stephen Lendman
Global Research, August 3, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14618
Now Legal Immunity for Swine flu Vaccine Makers
by F. William Engdahl
Global Research, July 20, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14453
Readying Americans for Dangerous, Mandatory Vaccinations
by Stephen Lendman
Global Research, June 10, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=13925
Bioweapons, Dangerous Vaccines, and Threats of a Global Pandemic
by Stephen Lendman
Global Research, July 8, 2009
http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=14272
Jan Drew
> There are other races going on.... To completely stop polio around the
> world, learn how to make a vaccine that will prevent HIV transmission,
> find outbreaks of influenza before they get out of control and make
> influenza vaccine that will prevent the next outbreak.
>
> Jeff
The not kids doc still doesn't know that the influenza vaccine does
not work.
Results 1 - 10 of about 175,000 for influenza vaccine does not work.
(0.33 seconds)
Nor did he learn a thing from the video.
Jan Drew
> Jeff wrote:
> > There are other races going on.... To completely stop polio around the
> > world, learn how to make a vaccine that will prevent HIV transmission,
> > find outbreaks of influenza before they get out of control and make
> > influenza vaccine that will prevent the next outbreak.
>
> > Jeff
>
> spreading their lies. This race is fought with one thing the antivaccine
> liars lack... the truth.
>
> Jeff
What liars? What truth?
Jan Drew
> IIena.
Is not the subject. Back to your hole troll.
Jan Drew
> On Sun, 23 Aug 2009 10:24:16 -0600, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
> >Happy Sunday from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
That's an insult.
>
> >There is a huge race going on right now ... a race about "what is
> >good" for us ... and what the vaccination industry and its layers of
> >public relations flacks and bought off 'scientists' and journalists
> >and med writers for hire tell us.
>
> >Here on Usenet, it's members of this group:
>
> >http://www.breastimplantawareness.org/snake-oil.htm
> >www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
>
> >In addition, several new anonymous posters and German Healthfraud
> >Aribert Deckers, "Happy Oyster" �
>
> >who directly promotes GAVI and uses
> >this vaccination industry "non profit" as his 'reliable source' seems
> >to have limitless time to attack all of us concerned about vaccination
> >safety.
>
> >While I have little time today or in the near future to discuss this,
>
> >I applaud Dr. Leonard Horowitz and many many others who are raising
> >awareness to the potential debacle humanity faces should GAVI and
> >Deckers and Barrett and team win the race ... and dangerous and
> >unproven aluminum, mercury and squalene etc. vaccines get forced upon
> >us. (see who funds GAVI below).
>
> >Dr. Horowitz has also been targeted by the same flack team in their
> >futile attempts to discredit his information. May our good Lord
> >protect us all from the vaccination "Ministry of Truth" ... where les
> >are"truth" and up is down.
>
> >Please please become aware of what is behind these vaccinations and
> >the enormous propaganda and disinformation that fills all 'media.'
>
Dr Horowitz ia a Harvard graduate in public health, and expert.
Jan Drew
Jan Drew
> Ilena Rose wrote:
> > Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover:
> >http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
> >www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
>
> > years with only a restricted license and then NONE ...
>
> > I will not shup up because of you and the other flacks on Usenet who
> > lie about breast implants and vaccinations.
>
> > You are but more noise and disinformation.
>
> I have never lied about anything on Usenet.
>
> Please wait until you stop making noise and distributing misinformation
> to talk about what others do. A perfect example is you distributing an
> advertisement as if it is news.
>
> You will *NOT* prevent me from speaking the truth.
>
> Jeff
What truth?
You even lie about being a kid's doc.
Jan Drew
> Mark Probert wrote:
> > On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>
> >> With love from Ilena
>
> > I must have missed the love.
>
What you guess and *she* is not discussing the subject.
It is just another tactic for the *gang* to divert from the subject.
Happy Sunday from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Please check my vaccination links here.
There is a huge race going on right now ... a race about "what is
good" for us ... and what the vaccination industry and its layers of
public relations flacks and bought off 'scientists' and journalists
and med writers for hire tell us.
Here on Usenet, it's members of this group:
http://www.breastimplantawareness.org/snake-oil.htm
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
In addition, several new anonymous posters and German Healthfraud
Aribert Deckers, "Happy Oyster" who directly promotes GAVI and uses
this vaccination industry "non profit" as his 'reliable source' seems
to have limitless time to attack all of us concerned about
vaccination
safety.
While I have little time today or in the near future to discuss this,
I applaud Dr. Leonard Horowitz and many many others who are raising
awareness to the potential debacle humanity faces should GAVI and
Deckers and Barrett and team win the race ... and dangerous and
unproven aluminum, mercury and squalene etc. vaccines get forced upon
us. (see who funds GAVI below).
http://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/horowitzavianfluscamapr09.shtml
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymo4iFDqjvY
Dr. Horowitz has also been targeted by the same flack team in their
futile attempts to discredit his information. May our good Lord
protect us all from the vaccination "Ministry of Truth" ... where les
are"truth" and up is down.
I am particularly concerned since GAVI / WHO are recommending already
that pregnant women be amongst those first vaccinated.
Please please become aware of what is behind these vaccinations and
the enormous propaganda and disinformation that fills all 'media.'
With love from Ilena
PS: Thank you to anyone who can add good links for us here.
EXCERPT:
http://www.gavialliance.org/about/in_partnership/industrialized/index...
Those specifically involved with GAVI produce the greatest share of
the global vaccine supply. They are:
Crucell (representing smaller vaccine producers)
Novartis Vaccines
GlaxoSmithKline
Merck & Co., Inc.
sanofi pasteur
Wyeth Vaccines
Former Board Members
Wyeth-Ayerst Global Pharmaceuticals
Board Member: Mr Geno Germano, Executive Vice President and General
Manager, Wyeth Vaccines
Term of Office: January 2002 to December 2003
Chiron Vaccines
Board Member: Mr John Lambert
Term of Office: January 2004 to March 2005
Merck Vaccines
Board Member: Ms. Margret McGlynn, President
Term of Office: April 2005 to May 2008
Now, exactly which part of that is dangerous? Proof please, not your
opinion.
Not kid's doc. Which is a lie you post over, and over. Then, post
you have never lied.
Jan Drew
Is a diversion.
*Call me Mark *diversion* Probert.*
Jan Drew
You mean like this?
Dear Mrs. Drew:
I am using email to you since I do not wish to participate in Usenet.
I
trust that you *wil* respect this. I *wil* not email you again, except
to
forward to you other emails that Rosenthal has sent to me. She had
the
unmitigated gall to actually post this email to a webpage, which she
acknowledges, and has since removed. She had the nerve to post my
place of
employment in the newsgroups and on that webpage.
Frankly, I am tired of your constant blaming Mark for everything that
Rosenthal has done to him. This email was sent to ME, not him, by her.
He
had warned her several times not to do so, but, she went ahead and
emailed
me. I have spoken with some of Mark's friends in government law
enforcement,
and they tell me that this can be construed as stalking behavior,
since I
have never had contact with her.
Let me be blunt: I have been fully aware of Mark's activities from day
one
as we share *verything* in our relationship. He has NEVER posted as
Will
Ketcher, and we have not had an AOL account for a long time. However,
Rosenthal persists in accusing him.
Let me clear up this issue Mark's attempt to infiltrate her email
list. He
has never denied doing so, and has clearly stated his reasons, which
Rosenthal rejects. When he mentioned that our younger son was about to
have
surgery he began receiving some very nasty email which sounded quite a
bit
like Rosenthal. I read them, and know that they were hate filled and
mirrored her usual verbiage. Some of them actually wished ill to our
son.
Remember, I am an English teacher and I spend hours a day reading
students'
work. I also felt that they could have originated with people who
were
affiliated with her.
Mark was deeply offended by some of the statements in these emails,
and he
attempted to locate the senders, but was unsuccessful. He then decided
to
try to read her group to see if he could identify the offending
individuals.
As you know, she found out what he did, and posted a message to that
effect.
Mark *immeidatrely* acknowledged what he did, and expressed his
reasons,
which she denied and said that we never received such email, even
though she
had absolutely no way of reading his email inbox.
You have been *concistently*wrong about Mark, and even more
consistently
wrong about Mark. I have read many instances where it was clear that
you did
not *udnerstand* what he was saying. Now that you do not read his
full
messages (many times you respond to something that has been severely
edited)
or his replies, you are making assumptions based on less than all the
facts.
If you were my student, you would get an F.
When I first received this email I was very upset by her actions, and
I
wanted to file complaints with Hotmail, RoadRunner and GoDaddy, her
website
host. Mark talked me out of it, as he does not think that such actions
*wil
lhelp* her. In fact, he is convinced that she *wil* become even more
abusive
and obsessed with "enemies." You know that I have every right to make
such
complaints.
Several of my students have used her website about Mark in their
*wrtiings*
in my senior honors writing seminar. Another group has used Rosenthal
in a
debate in my senior debating class. They used her to demonstrate that
the
First Amendment, which is posted in Mark's study, protects even the
most
vile people. I gave them an A.
I trust that this helps you get a better perspective on Mark, and on
Rosenthal.
As I said above, I will not email you again, but I will forward all of
her
current messages to me.
If you wish to respond to me, please do so at
SandraProb...@hotmail.com. I
am using my professional email address simply because that is the
address
Rosenthal used.
Sandra Probert
______________________________�__
From: ilena rose [mailto:ilena2...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Tue 11/2/2004 12:11 PM
To: Probert Sandra (26Q495)
Subject: Mark S. Probert
Jan Drew
>
> - Show quoted text -
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v324/A1974true/73819e3a.gif
Mark Probert
> On Aug 23, 3:43 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > There are other races going on.... To completely stop polio around the
> > world, learn how to make a vaccine that will prevent HIV transmission,
> > find outbreaks of influenza before they get out of control and make
> > influenza vaccine that will prevent the next outbreak.
>
> > Jeff
>
> The not kids doc still doesn't know that the influenza vaccine does
> not work.
Sure it does. It is quite effective in younger people (that leaves you
out) which prevents elderly (that leaves you in) from getting the flu,
which can lead to deadly pneumonia.
> Results 1 - 10 of about 175,000 for influenza vaccine does not work.
> (0.33 seconds)
You posted that many articles?
WOW!
Mark Probert
Let's see...
You
Merc(ury)ola
John
Dr. Cee
just to name 4.
Mark Probert
Harvard is a bastion of organized medicine. Thus, you cnnot believe
him.
Mark Probert
> On Aug 23, 7:59 pm, Jeff <kidsdoc2...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Mark Probert wrote:
> > > On Aug 23, 12:24 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>
> > >> With love from Ilena
>
> > > I must have missed the love.
>
> > I guess the dangerous practices she advocates got in the way.
>
> What you guess and *she* is not discussing the subject.
> It is just another tactic for the *gang* to divert from the subject.
Oops! No love added.
Mark Probert
> On Aug 23, 8:04 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Aug 23, 7:02 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>
> > > You are but more noise
>
> > My irony meter
>
> Is a diversion.
No, it is fair comment on her comments. The fact that you do not
understand that is demonstrative of your lack of comprehension
skills.
> *Call me Mark *diversion* Probert.*
Why should I call you that? You would only call me a liar.
Chuckle.
Mark Probert
> On Aug 23, 10:02 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 23, 9:45 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 23, 8:02 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 23, 6:59 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Happy Sunday from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
> > > > > Please check my vaccination links here.
>
> > > > > Yes ... the pseudo skeptics chime in to claim how dumb and useless I
> > > > > am ...
>
> > > > You are not useless. Otrher -lesses may apply, but useless does not.
>
> > > lol. Whatever Otrher is.
>
> > Hi, idiot (that is an insult to idiots).
>
> > "Otrher" is a typographical error.
>
> > I am always glad to expand your indredibly limited knowledge.
>
> You mean like this?
No, I mean like this:
YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES.
You may use AOL.COM for lawful purposes only. You may not submit or
transmit through AOL.COM any material, or otherwise engage in any
conduct that:
(1) violates or infringes the rights of others including, without
limitation, patent, trademark, trade secret, copyright, publicity or
other proprietary rights,
(2) is unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory,
libelous, deceptive, fraudulent, invasive of another's privacy,
tortious, or contains explicit or graphic descriptions, or accounts
of, sexual acts,
(3) victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or
group of individuals on the basis of religion, gender, sexual
orientation, race, ethnicity, age, or disability,
Stalking deleted.
Mark Probert
If cutting and pasting made a person a genius, you would be smarter
than Einstein.
Fortunately, for Einstein, c&p does not make one a genius.
Ilena Rose
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Please check my vaccination links here.
There is a huge race going on right now ... a race about "what is
good" for us ... and what the vaccination industry and its layers of
public relations flacks and bought off 'scientists' and journalists
and med writers for hire tell us.
Here on Usenet, it's members of this group:
http://www.breastimplantawareness.org/snake-oil.htm
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
In addition, several new anonymous posters and German Healthfraud
Aribert Deckers, "Happy Oyster" who directly promotes GAVI and uses
this vaccination industry "non profit" as his 'reliable source' seems
to have limitless time to attack all of us concerned about vaccination
safety.
While I have little time today or in the near future to discuss this,
I applaud Dr. Leonard Horowitz and many many others who are raising
awareness to the potential debacle humanity faces should GAVI and
Deckers and Barrett and team win the race ... and dangerous and
unproven aluminum, mercury and squalene etc. vaccines get forced upon
us. (see who funds GAVI below).
http://www.educate-yourself.org/cn/horowitzavianfluscamapr09.shtml
www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ymo4iFDqjvY
Dr. Horowitz has also been targeted by the same flack team in their
futile attempts to discredit his information. May our good Lord
protect us all from the vaccination "Ministry of Truth" ... where les
are"truth" and up is down.
I am particularly concerned since GAVI / WHO are recommending already
that pregnant women be amongst those first vaccinated.
Please please become aware of what is behind these vaccinations and
the enormous propaganda and disinformation that fills all 'media.'
With love from Ilena
PS: Thank you to anyone who can add good links for us here.
EXCERPT:
http://www.gavialliance.org/about/in_partnership/industrialized/index.php
Ilena Rose
concern!
http://www.naturalnews.com/Dont_Inject_Me_The_Swine_Flu_Vaccine_Song.html
Ilena Rose
Happy Oyster
>While I have little time today or in the near future to discuss this,
But time for insulting others and making libels Ilena Rosenthal does have...
Here is a bit of what Ilena Rosenthal posted in usenet in july 2009.
It is Ilena Rosenthals's very own words.
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
Subject: GORSKI, M.D.: THE WORLDWIDE WANKER OF "WOO"
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:47:06 -0600
Message-ID: <omjp655e01fgqrbuo...@4ax.com>
From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/DisinformationAgents.htm#David-Gorski
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#David-Gorski
Haven't read this piece, but wanted to add that David Gorski (who for
years hid behind "Orac" ... is a very active participant on Wikipedia,
the Healthfraud List, the Snake oil Vigilante Brigade ... while being
a recipient of money from the DOD. He has several pro-vacccination
industry blogs ... and haunted Usenet for years tho prefers arenas
where their is censorship in his favour.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/david-gorski-md.html
Thanks for posting this John.
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: Do Not Take A Swine Flu Vaccine! From Patricia Doyle, PhD
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:37:00 -0600
Message-ID: <uob665lk3j6glgl08...@4ax.com>
Aribert Deckers (the coward behind the Oyster Moniker) is just another
******************************************************
Healthfraud who appears to have been tagged to 'work' newsgroups at
this time. I read his blatherings on the Healthfraud List of my failed
and disgraced nemesis, Stephen Barrettt ... loser in Barrett Vs
Rosenthal.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettvsRosenthal.htm
Deckers joins Barrett in attacking professionals ... while Barrett
himself failed his psychiatric boards!
Aribert has been added to augment the 'work' of disbarred and
disgraced former attorney and Snake-oil Vaccination Pusher ... Mark S
Probert.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/propagandistprobert.html
He was bombing usenet like Deckers is doing now ... sashaying as
"Rosenthal Researcher" or any of his many aliases he got busted for.
Aribert ... ask your mentor Barrett how it went for his snake-oil team
*******
harassing and suing and lying about me went for him?
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
aus.politics,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.kids.health
Subject: Swine flu alert clears old stock of Tamiflu ... Great for Rumsfield's
pocketbook
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:16:21 -0600
Message-ID: <5jh6655472r5642qb...@4ax.com>
Dedicated to the Vaccination Propagandists on the net ... many clumped
together as the Rag-tag Posse of Snake-oil Vigilantes ... the snake
oil they sell & hype being the many many billion dollar biz of pushing
vacs and suing & harassing those of us who warn the public of the
dangers.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Their latest flack working usenet is Aribert Deckers ... not listed on
****************************************************
their original group but following the steps of disbarred attorney,
Mark S Probert.
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
talk.politics.medicine,sci.environment,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Subject: Videos - Child Drugging - Too many kids on meds because of
unscrupulous psychiatrists
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:18:45 -0600
Message-ID: <hqh6651pea5g23co6...@4ax.com>
Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm
Since being SLAPP sued by pseudo science writer, Stephen Barrett, who
advertises his occupation as 'psychiatrist' (although he was never
able to pass the board certification) I've been very aware of the
antics of this particular group of MD's.
I find them to oft be rightening control junkies who use their
intellect and education to cause much much much harm and little good.
Barrett is a vaccination / chemical industy mouth who has made a long
career out of attacking activists and scientists who would harm these
industries ... via harassment lawsuits, screaming to government
officials at all levels, and a online team used to attack us.
The list is here.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Recently augmented by Deutcher Aribert Deckers
**********************************************
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Important Repost: Merck Slapped With Warning Letter for Vaccine
Operations ... Drugs used for Vaccines Adulterated
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:01:27 -0600
Message-ID: <7s5765hpvuva180g9...@4ax.com>
From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Unfortunately, the Merck shills are everywhere on the internet ... and
*******************************
this information oft gets buried by their distraction and scare
tactics.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Now augmented by German Aribert the Coward Deckers aka Oyster
*************************************************************
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
Subject: The Operations of Quacks: How Barrett Tried to Infiltrate those
Exposing Dangers of Fluoride
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:43 -0600
Message-ID: <a367659os9ffciikt...@4ax.com>
From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Dedicated to Quackwatch Cheerleader, German Aribert "oyster" Deckers
********************************************************************
... who has now brought the Quackwatch agenda to Usenet to fill with
********************************************
their disinformation.
*********************
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm
EXCERPT:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040812090049/http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/000070.htm
A glimpse into his character can be gained through his habitual use of
words to mean their exact opposite. For example, in an article
entitled "Poison Mongers," Dr. Barrett refers to people who are trying
to stop the addition of fluoride, a poison, to the water supply as
poison-mongers.
~~~~~~~~
FLUORIDE ... The Aging Factor
********
How to Recognize and Avoid the
[...]
</quote>
That is a another clear case of libel.
I am against fluoridation! And since 2002 I have several web-pages about that
topic:
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amafluor.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_flu2.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_food.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amamuwei.htm
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_lees.htm
This, by the way, is the web-site of Peter Meiers:
http://www.fluoride-history.de
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,alt.support.attn-deficit,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:52:31 -0600
Message-ID: <b3j765hp5596dqa3n...@4ax.com>
MESSAGE TO ARIBERT 'HAPPY OYSTER' DECKERS / STEPHEN BARRETT / MARK
******************************************
PROBERT & OTHER RAG-TAG POSSE MEMBERS:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm:
The tactic of highjacking theads such as your team has done for years,
**********************************************************************
is always when you are again losing control and attempt to bully your
wrong viewpoint. Changing the subject line to push your disinformation
is desperation and bullying of losers.
As I wrote when Deckers of the Healthfrauds interrupted ...
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,alt.support.attn-deficit,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:39:17 -0600
Message-ID: <gc0965pq64bf8d58b...@4ax.com>
MESSAGE TO ARIBERT 'HAPPY OYSTER' DECKERS / STEPHEN BARRETT / MARK
*****************************************
PROBERT & OTHER RAG-TAG POSSE MEMBERS:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm:
The tactic of highjacking theads such as your team has done for years,
**********************************************************************
is always when you are again losing control and attempt to bully your
wrong viewpoint. Changing the subject line to push your disinformation
is desperation and bullying of losers.
As I wrote when Deckers of the Healthfrauds interrupted ...
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:23:59 -0600
Message-ID: <7kib65l8ap9ifbhbd...@4ax.com>
[...]
The Snake-oil Vaccination / Chemical flack team have new bloggers etc.
now ...
This idiot Aribert Deckers is a Mark Probert wannabe ... on their
**************************
Healthfraud list he was even advertising for Terry "Vera Teasdale!"
Can you imagine being a PR mouth for those two who love to crossdress
in public for their attacks? Says alot of Oyster!
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/polevoy.htm
That foul Oyster was whining to the Healthfraud Group about me ...
**************************************************************
their typical way is to bring one of their targets to the group and
then take turns insulting them. Rosalind Dalefield, another snake-oil
fool ... was for years on the junkscience list as a "Moderator" and
attacked me under an alias until someone sent me her info. She called
herself "Stella" back then.
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/nanaweedkiller.htm#Dalefield
It's interesting ... they attack and attack and when their masks are
pulled off because of their arrogance and stupidity ... they whine
about being victims and claim how stupid I am and how smart they are!
Aribert the Oyster seems to have interesting taste in those he
******************
promotes ... Probert the disbarred attorney ... Barrett & Polevoy who
lost their SLAPP suit against me and still owe over $311,000 for my
attorneys fees ...
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm
Anyway ... thanks for exposing the Snake-oil team for who they are ...
straight from 1984 ... the Ministry of Truth!
[...]
Educated idiots. Pure "Ministry of Truth" out of 1984.
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: The Ministry of Truth ... Snake-oil Posse Members on Parade
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 19:03:33 -0600
Message-ID: <tqoc65de3fqvp5n8q...@4ax.com>
[...]
Various Snake-oil Posse Members have taken their turn "at the bat"
harassing me ... this month it's apparently Aribert Deckers of Germany
*****************************************************
in the spot light. He is a flack come lately ... and not listed with
Barrett & the others ... yet he is repeating verbatim their loser
tactics and projections.
For example ... when they are losing arguments ... Aribert the Rotten
******************
"Oyster" highjacks the thread and change the subject ... a bullying
*******************************************************************
tactic not acceptable on Usenet. It's pure desperation.
*******************************************************
[...]
If Oyster "Aribert Deckers" continues his blatant attacks, which
****************************************************************
include highjacking threads of mine and changing the names to
***********************************
harassing titles against me ... I will be reposting this as a
reminder. He keeps screaming that I'm a liar and he's a truth teller
.. right from the play book of the "Ministry of Truth" from 1984.
Remember when Stephen Barrett bragged that he was "the media."
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:25:40 -0600
Message-ID: <fptc655ugtc5p97s3...@4ax.com>
Disbarred former attorney Mark S Probert queries:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/propagandistprobert.htm
WHAT OLD TRICKS? Do not believe everything you read.
Ms. Rosenthal conveniently omits the fact that she emailed several
wives of men who she hates because we refuted many of her claim
````````````````````
Old tricks:
Using multiple fake identities ... when caught lying about them.
Attempting to infiltrate my private email group for women harmed by
breast implants.
When your disbarment was uncovered ... you lied and attacked more. How
interesting that Aribert Deckers is defending you.
********************************
As far as writing "several wives" ... after Andrew Langer of the
Snake-oil Vigilantes harassed me for years and organized campaigns
against me ... I wrote his wife.
*****************
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.support.breast-implant,talk.politics.medicine,misc.health.alternative,sci.environment
Subject: Re: Ilena Rosenthal: The Silicone Cover-Up and Political
Manipulations .
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:35:10 -0600
Message-ID: <u68p65lbdmpgn5gqo...@4ax.com>
[...]
Currently, Germany spammer Aribert the Rotten Oyster Deckers and
************************************************************
several new aliases have continued the harassment of Probert & Polevoy
and others listed on this losing team.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/barrettvsrosenthal.htm
One of their loser strategies is to highjack threads to bully the
threads... tactics of losers.
[....]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: The Ministry of Truth ... Snake-oil Posse Members on Parade
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:37:31 -0600
Message-ID: <9j8p65dv7ojclarlf...@4ax.com>
[...]
Various Snake-oil Posse Members have taken their turn "at the bat"
harassing me ... this month it's apparently Aribert Deckers of Germany
*****************************************************
in the spot light. He is a flack come lately ... and not listed with
*****************
Barrett & the others ... yet he is repeating verbatim their loser
tactics and projections.
For example ... when they are losing arguments ... Aribert the Rotten
******************
"Oyster" highjacks the thread and change the subject ... a bullying
*******************************************************************
tactic not acceptable on Usenet. It's pure desperation.
*******************************************************
[...]
The only way I ever had any connection with this Snake-oil Posse
Member, was reading his losing plaintiff propaganda and his name with
Barrett's on their list.
If Oyster "Aribert Deckers" continues his blatant attacks, which
****************************************************************
include highjacking threads of mine and changing the names to
***********************************
harassing titles against me ... I will be reposting this as a
reminder. He keeps screaming that I'm a liar and he's a truth teller
.. right from the play book of the "Ministry of Truth" from 1984.
Remember when Stephen Barrett bragged that he was "the media."
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:41:30 -0600
Message-ID: <8cjp65ps5v10fol25...@4ax.com>
[...]
The Snake-oil Vaccination / Chemical flack team have new bloggers etc.
now ...
This idiot Aribert Deckers is a Mark Probert wannabe ... on their
**************************
Healthfraud list he was even advertising for Terry "Vera Teasdale!"
Can you imagine being a PR mouth for those two who love to crossdress
in public for their attacks? Says alot of Oyster!
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/polevoy.htm
That foul Oyster was whining to the Healthfraud Group about me ...
****************
their typical way is to bring one of their targets to the group and
then take turns insulting them. Rosalind Dalefield, another snake-oil
fool ... was for years on the junkscience list as a "Moderator" and
attacked me under an alias until someone sent me her info. She called
herself "Stella" back then.
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/nanaweedkiller.htm#Dalefield
It's interesting ... they attack and attack and when their masks are
pulled off because of their arrogance and stupidity ... they whine
about being victims and claim how stupid I am and how smart they are!
Aribert the Oyster seems to have interesting taste in those he
******************
promotes ... Probert the disbarred attorney ... Barrett & Polevoy who
lost their SLAPP suit against me and still owe over $311,000 for my
attorneys fees ...
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,misc.health.alternative
Subject: Mother is right to be concerned about Gardasil
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:08:53 -0600
Message-ID: <8ukp65hjqlssretqm...@4ax.com>
Stephen Barrett's Healthfraud Buddy Aribert "Rotten Oyster" is
********************************
highjacking threads and admitting that he is a loser like his mentors,
****************************************************
Barrett and disbarred attorney who uses the same tactics, Mark S
probert.
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.poliitcs.medicine,sci.med.diseases.lyme,sci.med.nursing
Subject: Big Pharma scare tactics: How the pharmaceutical industry influences
American consumers
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:13:38 -0600
Message-ID: <t6lp65tvifei1drl7...@4ax.com>
Stephen Barrett's Healthfraud flack, German Aribert the Oyster Deckers
*********************************
... shows that like Barrett ... he is a loser and must bully thread by
***********************************
highjacking them.
*****************
[...]
</quote>
On Sun, 19 Jul 2009 20:33:54 -0600, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>Ilena accurately wrote:
>" Deckers joins Barrett in attacking professionals ... while Barrett
>himself failed his psychiatric boards!"
That is a clear case of libel.
I write in the net since 1996.
I never did "join Barrett in attacking professionals".
I am a frontman, a pioneer; I am since my childhood days.
On Tue, 21 Jul 2009 08:23:59 -0600, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>That foul Oyster was whining to the Healthfraud Group about me ...
Ilena Rosenthal left out something. The truth, I mean...
Fact is, that I had sent THIS to the mailing list:
<***QUOTE***>
-------------------------------------------------------------------
From:�ｿｽ"Aribert Deckers" <...>
Subject:�ｿｽ[healthfraud] I guess she does not like me... ;O)
Date:�ｿｽMon, July 20, 2009 1:46 am
To:�ｿｽ{healthfraud.lists.quackwatch@org}
-------------------------------------------------------------------
Hm, perhaps...
a Cola-warning
could
save
your
keyboard...
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
Subject: The Operations of Quacks: How Barrett Tried to Infiltrate those
Exposing Dangers of Fluoride
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:43 -0600
Message-ID: <a367659os9ffciikt...@4ax.com>
>From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Dedicated to Quackwatch Cheerleader, German Aribert "oyster" Deckers ...
who has now brought the Quackwatch agenda to Usenet to fill with their
disinformation.
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm
EXCERPT:
</quote>
Have a nice week!
Aribert Deckers
<***/QUOTE***>
"Wanker", "Idiot", "Coward" ... that is the language of Ilena Rosenthal.
Insults, libel, false claims. That is Ilena Rosenthal.
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> On Aug 24, 8:12�pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Aug 23, 10:02 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Aug 23, 9:45 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Aug 23, 8:02 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Aug 23, 6:59 pm, Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > > Happy Sunday from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
> > > > > > Please check my vaccination links here.
>
> > > > > > Yes ... the pseudo skeptics chime in to claim how dumb and useless I
> > > > > > am ...
>
> > > > > You are not useless. Otrher -lesses may apply, but useless does not.
>
> > > > lol. Whatever Otrher is.
>
> > > Hi, idiot (that is an insult to idiots).
>
> > > "Otrher" is a typographical error.
>
> > > I am always glad to expand your indredibly limited knowledge.
>
> > You mean like this?
Dear Mrs. Drew:
Jan Drew
Jan Drew
[ ]
Jan Drew
Mark Probert
> Bravo to Mike Adams
Mike Adams and the swine at Un-NaturalNews are ghouls.
Mark Probert
Jan, I have never brought your husband into this. I have never
mentioned him, except to point that out.
AOL says:
YOUR RESPONSIBILITIES.
You may use AOL.COM for lawful purposes only. You may not submit or
transmit through AOL.COM any material, or otherwise engage in any
conduct that:
(2) is unlawful, threatening, abusive, harassing, defamatory,
libelous, deceptive, fraudulent, invasive of another's privacy,
tortious, or contains explicit or graphic descriptions, or accounts
of, sexual acts,
(3) victimizes, harasses, degrades, or intimidates an individual or
group of individuals on the basis of religion, gender, sexual
orientation, race, ethnicity, age, or disability,
(6) encourages conduct that would constitute a criminal offense, or
that gives rise to civil liability,
Why do you continue to stalk and harass my family and me?
Mark Probert
Happy Oyster
REPOST because of Jan Drew stalking people.
FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery
*********************************************
Updated, March, 23rd., 2004
Hello,
in this and other news-groups a person who calls himself Jan Drew, is massively
advertizing quackery.
Since 1999 this person dumps his paranoia into the net. Following the lies of
Jan Drew can impose a serious threat to the health of you and your children.
This FAQ is made as a warning, and to demonstrate which dangers arise from
believing the many seemingly innocent and oh so charming and friendly people who
claim : "I have done it. It works!"
Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take
your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!
The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm
Aribert Deckers
-----
A. Foreword by Mr. Rich
B. The medical hystery and naturopath mafia advertizing of "Jan Drew"
C. Details
1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
3. Cui bono ? Mercola disguises as "Jan Drew"
4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark
8. "$KaChing is Working!!"
9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
Jan Drew's Antisemitism
12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia
13. The "Jew boy" case
14. Jan Drew, the stalker
15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
17. The foul language of Jan Drew
18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare
19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew
D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race
E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ?
-----
A. Foreword by Mr. Rich
#######################
<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew
Message-ID: <k69l40p1f6tbg83kg...@4ax.com>
Date: Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT
Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda.
Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing
conventional medicine. To Jan Drew the ends justify the means. This
means that she will lie, deceive, manipulate, distort, bear false
witness in order to achieve her objective.
Jan Drew is completely unable to discuss any topic with anyone who
disagrees with her. Her tactic is to try to discredit them by any
means she can. She may do a Google search and discover that a poster
is gay and then use that to discredit them. She may discover that a
poster is of the Jewish faith and use that to discredit them. She may
just brand someone with whom she disagrees as a member of organized
medicine to discredit them.
Jan Drew often gives the impression that she is either
psychotic/delusional or has some cognitive dysfunction that results in
her being very concrete in her thinking. She often appears not to
understand figurative speech, analogies, etc. This is all an act. Jan
Drew uses figurative speech and analogies. The reason that she appears
not to understand them is because when someone uses analogies to
demonstrate a point Jan DRew is unable to counter that point, so
instead of remaining silent she simply makes a personal attack against
the person falsely accusing them of diversion or changing the subject.
Jan Drew gives the impression that she is delusional about having
mercury poisoning by amalgams because she persists in this belief
despite my having demonstrated quite clearly that her history
indicates that psychologic factors were the key to understanding why
her PN deteriorated and why it suddenly improved. I have little doubt
that Jan DRew realizes that she never had mercury poisoning but this
does not stop her shilling.
Her claiming that she knows it was the mercury because she did not
start to feel better until after the mercury level dropped is a clear
indication that she understands the importance of the temporal
relationship between her getting better and mercury level dropping.
But Jan also clearly knows that she began to regain her health not
only before her mercury level dropped but after it likely ROSE!!!
Jan Drew is psychopathic liar. She repeatedly lies and bears false
witness against others in her malicious attempt to promote
alternoquacks. She says that I am stalking her which is a complete
lie. She says I lied about her amalgam history which is complete lie.
But Jan Drew keeps repeating these lies hoping that if she repeats
them enough that people will believe them. She is evil and despicable.
Jan DRew repeatedly makes new posts having absolutely nothing to do
with alternative medicine but instead making attacks against
conventional medicine. She has made countless posts focusing on the
negative aspects of conventional medicine. Not ONCE has she made a NEW
post talking about anything positive about conventional medicine. She
is a propaganda machine. And she does not care if the attacks against
conventional medicine are factual or not. IF they are negative about
CM then Jan Drew uses them in her propaganda.
Jan Drew says that the reason that she posts negative things about CM
is because that is the reason why people are turning to AM. But the
truth is that Jan Drew is trying to drive people away from CM and to
AM by her lies. She specifically tells people to only go to
alternative dentists. She discourages people from going on medication
that only cover up the problem when she herself takes two medications
that only cover up her problem. She is a complete hypocrite.
Jan Drew also tries to intrude on people's personal lives in order to
get them to stop posting here. She makes complaints to ISP's in an
attempt to get her adversary's account closed. She post people's name,
address and phone number, calls then an antisemitic slur and tells
people not to do business with them. She posts the private information
of physicians who post here again in an attempt to harass them.
Jan collects posts that people have made from several years back to
repost here, completely out of context and unrelated to the discussion
simply to create diversion and to try to discredit the person. Watch
how she does it again with me while pretending that she is not reading
my post after lying about putting me in her kill file.
Skeptics need to be aware that if they post under their real name that
Jan Drew will do whatever she can to negatively intrude on their
personal lives. She likely spends most of her waking hours searching
on Google to find any dirt she can on the skeptics and she will then
post it here to discredit them.
Jan has repeatedly contacted my ISP accusing me of stalking her. But
the real stalker is Jan Drew who is attempting to discover my true
identity and address/phone number. Jan Drew is a very angry person and
potentially dangerous. She will stop at nothing to prevent her critics
from expressing their opinions here.
Poster beware.
Aloha,
Rich
PS: I absolutely GUARANTEE that Jan Drew will start a new post with my
name/tactics. Just watch.
But she won't directly address any of the issues here. And her many
enablers will also just make personal attacks and not address the
issues either. Just watch. It is all so predictable.
PPS: If anyone is making a FAQ about JD feel free to use any of the
above in it.
-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------
The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>
B. The Medical Hystery of "Jan Drew"
#####################################
Many information wars in the net are committed by people who claim to
a) have suffered,
b) then were saved,
c) by the oh, so wonderful healer/doctor/medicament/treatment
XYZ...
Jan Drew is one of these information war criminals. The history of what has
happened to him can be proven wrong.
Mr Rich sums up the history of the hystery of Jan Drew's alledged illnesses and
healings.
Why is it so important to write about this ? It is important to show the
innocent reader what powers and whose financial greed REALLY act in the "healer"
scene, which methods of rhetorical warfare are used, and how they are used.
In my homepage "Die Deutsche Amalgam-Page"
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_p0.htm
(bilingual)
I have a section dedicated to analyzing the tricks and strategies of
the naturopath mafia :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_rhet.htm
(Sorry, no translation to English available.)
Why is it so important to write about this ? Because it will save the lives of
many people who would die or would suffer terribly for the rest of their lives
if they or their parents were to fall for the lies of the naturopath mafia.
This is what we need : Fortified Medicine!:
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_wehr.htm
(Sorry, no translation to English available. Help by a translator
would be appreciated.)
AND: Do not forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud.
Take your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!
The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm
Now the text by Mr. Rich :
<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Do you wish to compare Harm caused?
Message-ID: <2a9o40hlo7jvbgp45...@4ax.com>
References:
<404b8888$0$305$61c6...@uq-127creek-reader-01.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au>
<20040308022648...@mb-m21.aol.com>
Date: Mon, 08 Mar 2004 07:51:59 GMT
On 08 Mar 2004 07:26:48 GMT, jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
>I was treated for mercury poisoning from amalgams and I am alive and well. That
>is what is demonstrated here.
Oh really. Well I will post Jan's history in her OWN WORDS and allow
the readers to decide whether this pathologic liar had mercury
poisoning from amalgams.
Don't mind Jan. She is obsessed with the delusion that she almost died
from mercury poisoning due to her amalgams even though her history
suggests otherwise. Her history is as follows: (Note: Jan has accused
me of lying about it but when repeatedly asked about what I lied about
she remains silent).
The facts according to Jan Drew:
1) She was diagnosed with peripheral neuropathy
2) She was put on Elavil and Neurontin which Jan reports significantly
improved her symptoms
3) She was told by her MD that they did not know what caused her
peripheral neuropathy
4) For a year Jan searched for a reason for her PN
5) She discovered a possible cause for her PN after reading a book by
Hulda Clark author of A Cure For All Cancers (Hulda believes that ALL
cancer is caused by a liver fluke and that she can cure all cancers by
a combination of a "zapper" and a course of herbs/supplements and
proper nutrition)
6) Jan became convinced after doing research that she indeed likely
had mercury poisoning from the amalgams.
7) Jan noticed a rapid and progressive deterioration in her health
that resulted in her believing that she was going to die.
8) On June 17, 1999 Jan had a quarter of her amalgams removed by Dr.
Frank Jerome, author of Tooth Truth. Dr. Frank, dentist believes that
mercury amalgams cause a wide variety of health problems and much of
his practice involves removing amalgams and replacing them with
composites, a procedure that Jan Drew underwent.
>On June 17, 1999 Jan posted to usenet:
>
>>I have peripheral neuropathy, and have been searching for a cause for over a
>>year. I have read Hulda Clark's books where she mentions the mercury problem. I
>>am only 35 miles from the dentist who sh is speaking with in her book. Dr.
>>Frank Jerome, who has written "Tooth Truth", a very enlightening book. I had my
>>first appointment today and 1/4 of my mouth is now mercury free. I go back
>>tomorrow to get another 1/4 done. Later, I will get my only root canal pulled.
>>I truly beleive this is the cause of my problems. If you have a condition that
>>the doctors can't find, it is wise to suspect the teeth.
>>
>>Thanks Again,
>>
>>Jan
9) On June 18, 1999 had more of her amalgams removed and reported on
usenet ON THE VERY SAME DAY that she had the amalgams removed within
HOURS of their removal that she felt better than she had in TWO
YEARS!!
>Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to usenet
>
>>I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
>>dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
>>can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
>>have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
>>along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.
>>If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
>>care of you.
>>He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
>>covered up this problem.
>>So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
>>from all over to get the work done.
>>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
>>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
>>mercury out and the root canal pulled.
>>Jan
10) When Jan was asked how she could feel better than she had in two
years she said that it was because she felt relief that ALL the
amalgams had been removed and that her bill was paid off. This was
clearly a LIE since Jan still had some amalgams left and according to
her would not have them out for another few weeks.
Here are her exact words:
>Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
>very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
>much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
>positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
>It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.
>Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
>have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
>mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
>That makes one FEEL BETTER.
>
>What's so hard to understand?
11) Jan posted on sci.med.dentisty that she knew that it was the
amalgams that were causing her health problem because she began to
regain her health AFTER her mercury began to drop. This is also a
complete lie since she experience this improvement, better than she
had felt in two years, within hours of having some of the amalgams
removed and NOT when she had them all removed which she claims above.
12) Jan claims that I told some lies when I provided the above
history.
13) Repeated attempts to ask Jan Drew what lies I told result in her
refusing to answer and instead diverting the topic by personal insults
and belittling.
AFAIK the above is true and is based upon Jan Drew's own account of
her history.
Discussion (OPINION):
The most likely explanation IMO for Jan Drew's improvement to the
point where she felt better than she had in two years (which btw is
VERY significant since she reports and rapid decline in health in the
months prior to the removal of the amalgams) are psychologic factors.
I believe that the deterioration in her health was largely due to her
worrying and obsessing about her being poisoned by mercury due to
buying into the idea that the amalgams were causing her health
problems. I also believe that the improvement in her health was
largely due to her relief that she finally was getting rid of what she
believed was causing her problem. IOW I believe that Jan Drew is an
excellent example of the power of placebo and that her history is
consistent with psychologic factors affecting physical illness
although I recommend competent health professional to evaluate her for
a more definitive opinion.
I have no doubt that her mercury level is declining. After all she had
all her amalgams removed. The question is whether at the highest level
was the mercury level causing any significant health problems for Jan
Drew. Jan certainly believes that it was. Her history, IMO, strongly
suggests otherwise.
I predict that Jan will respond to this post in one of the following:
1)She will ignore it and put me in her kill file
2) She will snip most of what I say and accuse me of lying without
specifically saying what I lied about
3) She will divert from the topic by accusing me of various things
including but not limited to a)hiking in the nude b) using her parents
to belittle her, c)being obsessed with her, d) calling me a Jew-boy,
pervert or some other creative insult from Jan "it is NEVER right to
belittle" Drew. Perhaps she will wish some disability on me.
What she will NOT do is
1) Discuss the subject in a reasonable fashion
2) Point out any lies that she continues to accuse me of
What she will likely end up doing is violating two of the Ten
Commandments:
1) Thou shalt not lie (she does this when she accuses me of lying with
respect to her history as I provided it WITH direct citations from
Jan)
2) Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbor (again doing
this by accusing me of various things such as lying and/or stalking).
And finally if you have unanswered health problems my suggestion is to
NOT take the advice of Jan Drew. And if you are foolish enough to
listen to her please don't say that I did not warn you.
Aloha,
Rich
-------------------------------------------------
-------------------------------------------------
The best defense to logic is ignorance
</quote>
1. List of Web-Sites Jan Drew is advertizing for
################################################
[naturopath mafia-based]
http://www.800ga.com/parasites.htm
http://home.vicnet.net.au/~mecfs/general/parasites.html
http://www.all-natural.com/holistic.html
http://www.yourhealthbase.com/alternative_medicine.html
http://www.doctortalk.com/cancer_&_oxygen.php
http://www.alternativemedicine.com/digest/issue22/i22-a12.shtml
http://thinktwice.com/ploys.htm
http://www.healingwithnutrition.com/cdisease/cardiovascular/vitce.html
http://www.quackpotwatch.org/opinionpieces/chelation%20bill.htm
http://abcnews.go.com/sections/living/Healthology/sept11HS_508939AlternativeCancerTreatments020910.html
http://www.curezone.com/forums/f.asp?f=73
http://www.aznetnews.com/story.php?storyid=375
http://www.hospitalsantamonica.com/id45.htm
http://www.holistic-dentistry.com/artamalgam.asp
http://www.hugnet.com/protocol.html
http://www.heart-disease-bypass-surgery.com/data/articles/63.htm
http://www.mercola.com
http://www.alkalizeforhealth.net
[Scientology-based articles]
http://www.enquirer.com/editions/2000/04/16/loc_drugging_our_kids.html
http://www.antipsychiatry.org/drsmith1.htm
(List will be updated)
2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
######################################################
Nicknames and names of persons who help Jan Drew in his scam, or perhaps are
nothing but other masks of Mercola :
"Dave" <in...@glowlife.com>
"Rod" <denie...@hotmail.com>
"Teacher" <princ...@hotmail.com>
"David" <medt...@earthlink.net>
"ChuckMSRD" chuc...@aol.com
"Anth" <an...@anon.com>
"soft-eng" <softe...@netscape.net>
"mdd" <m...@trip.net>
"RB" <flag...@superweb.ca>
"DEBBEE1023" <debbe...@aol.comnojunk>
"Gymmy Bob" <NoT...@spam.com>
This list will be updated.
Note: ALL supporters of Jan Drew will be entered in this list !
Keep in mind these very true words :
On Fri, 14 Nov 2003 23:10:32 GMT, Rich<,@.> wrote in misc.health.alternative :
<quote>
[...]
There is one positive aspect of having Jan Drew post here though; if
someone supports her then you can be sure that this person cannot be
trusted either. Anyone who reads Jan Drew's bigoted, hateful and
dishonest posts and supports her tells you much about their own
integrity.
And you can be reasonably certain that Jan Drew is reading all the
posts of the people she claims that she has kill filed. The only
reason that she kill files people is to give her plausible deniability
in her failure to reconcile her contradictory statements that are
frequently brought up to her.
</quote>
3. Cui bono ?
##############
A strong clue on who is responsible for the criminal deeds are the connections
to those who cash in the money.
Mercola and Klinghardt are known charlatans. Jan Drew advertizes for them. But
Jan Drew does more than that !
A posting from Jan Drew into news:misc.health.alternative impressively
demonstrates the background :
<quote>
Lines: 40
X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 29 Aug 2003 20:19:06 GMT
References: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c6...@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told
Message-ID: <20030829161906...@mb-m16.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:313197
>Subject: Re: The Greatest Lie Ever Told
>From: "Anth" an...@anon.com
>Date: 8/29/2003 1:26 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <3f4f1c4c$0$46001$65c6...@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>She does?
>Anth
>
>"Happy Oyster" <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote in message
>> Jan Drew abuses the works of honorable scientists. Jan Drew mixes up
>> true facts with naturopath nonsense and this way forces people to buy
>> quackery.
>>
>> Jan Drew walks over bodies. Don't let them be yours!
Well now, that fits right in with the greatest lie ever told.
I posted a website. I mixed nothing, I abused nothing, I adsvertize nothing, I
have never forced people to do anything.
Happy is the liar, making all kinds of false statements
When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different researchers.
Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of
Medicine,
Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary
Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to
the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I
published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on
mercury detoxification.
Jan
The world is a dangerous place to live; not because of the people who are evil,
but because of the people who don't do anything about it."
Albert Einstein
</quote>
Jan Drew writes IN HIS OWN WORDS, with himself as the center person of the text
:
<quote>
When in fact it tells on the website, the many works of different
researchers.
Dr. Vimy holds the rank of Clinical Associate Professor, Department of
Medicine, Faculty of Medicine at the University of Calgary
Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his
comments to the ADA press release are most informative. You can review
the article I published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for
************************************************************* +++
further information on mercury detoxification.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Jan
</quote>
So Jan Drew published an article together with Klinghardt.
Now, WHO IS "JAN DREW" !?
A clue can be found by searching for news postings by Jan Drew containing the
word "Klinghardt", dated "earlier this year".
We find a posting dated "09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT" :
(Underlign marks made by me.)
<quote>
X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 09 Feb 2003 00:29:57 GMT
References: <HGe1a.187148$HG.31...@news4.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Mercury Toxicity
Message-ID: <20030208192957...@mb-cf.aol.com>
http://www.mercola.com/article/mercury/mercury_elimination.htm
Mercury
Toxicity and Systemic Elimination Agents
The following paper has been a long time in the making. I first wrote
it nearly three years ago and it was initially rejected by the Lancet
and the British Medical Journal but was published last month in the
Journal of Nutritional and Environmental Medicine (March 2001).
The end of the article has the bibliography which took quite awhile to
compile and has 124 of the best literature documentation I could find
on mercury detoxification. For a practical summary of the paper and
exactly what one should do, please review my mercury detoxification
protocol. Dr. Klinghardt is widely recognized as one of the most
**************
knowledgeable physicians in mercury detoxification and it was a
********
privilege to be able to help him with this paper.
*************************************************
<quote>
Jan Drew (remember the "I" !) here completely copies an article --- written by
Mercola TOGETHER with Klinghardt.
This article is "on mercury detoxification".
So we can strongly say that "Jan Drew" actually is Mercola.
Mercola is writing masses of articles, and he pours out an enourmous mass of
advertizing for his charlatan comrades, boosting his and their sales...
4. Jan Drew confesses his forgeries
###################################
In the following posting Jan Drew confesses to have taken someone else's words
and posted them in the net as his, Jan Drew's, own words :
<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!newsfeed3.easynews.net!newsfeed.arcor-online.net!news.tele.dk!news.tele.dk!small.news.tele.dk!news-out.visi.com!petbe.visi.com!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 28
X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 18 Nov 2003 04:13:48 GMT
References: <troirvstkoaugingt...@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Jan Drew is a forger
Message-ID: <20031117231348...@mb-m15.aol.com>
>From: Happy Oyster happy....@ariplex.com
>Date: 11/17/2003 4:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <troirvstkoaugingt...@4ax.com>
Happy is not playing with a full deck.
As anyone can see this bit about me being Mercola is absurd.
http://www.mercola.com/2001/jul/18/ada.htm
<snip>
DR. MERCOLA'S COMMENT:
Dr. Vimy is one of the top mercury researchers in the world and his comments to
the ADA press release are most informative. You can review the article I
published with Dr. Klinghardt earlier this year for further information on
mercury detoxification.
Thanks to Jeff Green of Citizens for Health for sending this very interesting
timeline regarding the dental use of mercury.
Took 16 seconds to find it.
I have posted it previously.
Jan
Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain
</quote>
So, for all to see, Jan Drew confesses to have taken Mercola's words, and to
have have posted them as his, Jan Drew's very own words.
Do not forget the "I", by which Jan Drew makes these words HIS VERY OWN.
One more example of forgery :
<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!easynews.net!newsfeed3.easynews.net!news.space.net!news.m-online.net!news-FFM2.ecrc.net!nntp1.roc.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!nntp.gblx.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
Lines: 24
X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 07 Mar 2004 05:31:27 GMT
References: <grbl40tgsdpv99u2n...@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Trolls
Message-ID: <20040307003127...@mb-m27.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Newbie Alert :Tactics Of Jan Drew
>From: WB no_...@nowhere.net
>Date: 3/6/2004 9:24 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <grbl40tgsdpv99u2n...@4ax.com>
>
>On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 04:28:15 GMT, Rich.@. wrote:
>
>>Jan Drew, the most prolific poster in this newsgroup has an agenda.
>>Her agenda is to promote alternative medicine while demonizing
>>conventional medicine.
>
>
>Dude, please report to her ISP when she spams.
>
>
>--
>WB
Peter Bowditch
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
The Green Light http://www.ratbags.com/greenlight
and The New Improved Quintessence of the Loon with added Vitamins and C-Q10
http://www.ratbags.com/loon
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
</quote>
By adding those last lines (thge .sig of Peter Bowditch) she makes iut look as
if Peter Bowditch had sent this posting.
5. A look at Jan Drew's list of lies with URLs (internet links)
###############################################################
A great deal of Jan Drew's postings are lists of URLs (internet links to
web-pages). Jan Drew selects those pages and only takes those which seed fear
and hatred against scientific medicine.
Jan Drew defames scientific medicine as "Evil Organized Medizine".
In a posting of november 5th., 2003, Dr. Steve shows what such a list really
contains :
<quote>
From: "Dr. Steve" <drs...@I.give.up.on.the.spam.com>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
References: <bdgqb.28460$Ec1.2...@bgtnsc05-news.ops.worldnet.att.net>
<20031105192957...@mb-m05.aol.com>
Subject: Re: 3rd Opinion - Root Canal Question
Message-ID: <r9hqb.7825$P%1.68...@newssvr28.news.prodigy.com>
Date: Thu, 06 Nov 2003 01:07:35 GMT
.
"Ja," <jdre.....29@aol.com> wrote in message
> >If jdrmmm,,,,2...@aol.com (Jan) responds you may wish to consider the
source.
>
> I wasn't going to respond, but now that this has been said, do consider
the
> source and see the source of each website.
>
> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/RCTframeset.htm
A site making money on people's fear of Hg poisoning. Just a dental office in
Nepal.
> http://www.ericdavisdental.com/root_canals.htm
An Australian dentist with a really bad wig. Trying to make money on
people's fear of Hg poisoning.
> http://www.whale.to/d/root2.html
A letter written to Dr. Huggins, with no proof it was ever mailed. The dental
links on the home page lead to a Dr. Nara's web page. They sell books on th
evils of Hg in dentistry.
> http://www.drshankland.com/rootcanal.html
Web page of Dr. Shankland who is selling books. He likes to quote Dr.
Price's research from 1918 and ignore all the research since then.
> http://webpages.charter.net/kyarbrough/rootcanals.htm
An anedotal report by some lay-person who bought a book by Dr. Meinig and hopes
you will buy one his books too.
> http://www.dentistry-toothtruth.com/faq.htm
A web site that just sells a book.
An advertisement for Melisa Medica Foundation selling (guess what?)
disguised as some unfortunate souls suffering personal story.
> http://cnorman.best.vwh.net/blazing/dental.html
Advertisement for the Blazing Tattles Newsletteer (they sell this) once again
disquised as a story.
> http://rheumatic.org/teeth.htm
Another advertisement for Dr. Meining's book.
> http://www.zip.com.au/~rgammal/root_therapies.htm
Another link to the Nepal dental office.
> http://zap.intergate.ca/root.html
Dr, Meining again.
Link to a dental office with a legal disclaimer section two pages long
> http://www.dentistryholistic.com/education.html
A link to asome guy's dental office who has no idea of current dental
thinking.
> http://www.hugnet.com/Root_Canals.html
Guess what? A site to sell books.
> http://www.karlloren.com/ultrasound/p25.htm
This guy is selling a special diet.
> http://www.hallvtox.dircon.co.uk/hallvt.html
Link to a dental office in the UK which sells,,,,,,,,,,,, did you guess? A
BOOK!!!!
Now I see why I prefer to filter ja. dre.. posts
PLEASE, any lay people reading this, understand this lady/man/posting
program refered to as ja. dre. and a bunch of numbers reminiscent of
Disney's Stitch character,,,,,, lies,,,, and tries to get you to spoil your
health and spend all your money on bogus treatment which NOT improve your health
in any way.
</quote>
6. Jan Drew works for Scientology
#################################
This is one of the examples where you can see, how Jan Drew defends Scientology.
Jan Drew CLAIMS to be interested in naturopathy, but actually Jan Drew is an
advertizing agency. Jan Drew's behavior is typical for this breed...
Example 1:
<quote>
X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Sep 2003 00:40:47 GMT
References: <e09b87b3b803c46a...@dizum.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT
Message-ID: <20030920204047...@mb-m06.aol.com>
>Subject: "Psychbusters" = CCHR = $cientology Cult FRONT
>From: Nomen Nescio nob...@dizum.com
>Date: 9/20/2003 1:20 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <e09b87b3b803c46a...@dizum.com>
>
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</quote>
Example 2:
<quote>
X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:51:58 GMT
References: <vms2om6...@corp.supernews.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups
Message-ID: <20030921225158...@mb-m06.aol.com>
>Subject: Scientology's advertising in these newsgroups
>From: fr...@skeptictank.org (Fredric L. Rice)
>Date: 9/21/2003 12:33 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <vms2om6...@corp.supernews.com>
>
>You might have read a posting by some anonymous Scientologist
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</quote>
Example 3:
<quote>
X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Sep 2003 02:53:00 GMT
References: <3f6e3452....@news.verizon.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: What is $cientology? - A posting by an ex-member to answer reports
of recent Scientology postings
Message-ID: <20030921225300...@mb-m06.aol.com>
> What is $cientology?
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</quote>
Example 4:
<quote>
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 06 Oct 2003 05:29:16 GMT
References: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3l...@4ax.com>
Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs
Message-ID: <20031006012916...@mb-m17.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Committee On House Reform - ADHD Drugs
>From: Peter Bowditch myfir...@ratbags.com
>Date: 10/5/2003 9:10 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <17u1ovg8ll08tnc3l...@4ax.com>
>
>jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>
>>TESTIMONY BY LISA MARIE PRESLEY INTERNATIONAL SPOKESPERSON
>> FOR CHILDREN'S RIGHTS, FOR CITIZENS COMMISSION ON HUMAN RIGHTS
>INTERNATIONAL
>
>A Scientologist appearing on behalf of a Scientology front group. Now
>that's something you don't see every day.
Umm, you are seeing ADHD hearings.
Listen up, rather than the same ole same ole of the Scientology excuses.
You are an intolerant fascist bigot.
</quote>
So far for the simple cases. And now look at this one !:
(Underligns with "*" by me.)
<quote>
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X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 07 Jan 2004 03:33:20 GMT
References: <a28lvv4cvnm7cesh0...@4ax.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award
Message-ID: <20040106223320...@mb-m19.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Citizens Commission on Human Rights wins award
>From: Peter Bowditch myfir...@ratbags.com
>Date: 1/6/2004 3:51 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <a28lvv4cvnm7cesh0...@4ax.com>
>
>ryu...@yahoo.com (Ria) wrote:
>
>>> Just in case you think that Jan has been honestly snipping here, this
>>> is what she is replying to. Obviously, Hubbard's ideas about Jesus are
>>> something which Jan feels require no comment.
>>
>>Peter, if you bring in irrelevant issues like that then it just proves Jan's
>point.
>
>Jan continually (almost continuously) brings up the matter of my
>religious beliefs and suggests that I am directly instructed by Satan.
Nope, only when you start saying hate filled ridiculous things, lke John
delights in seeing kids die.
>For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of
>Hubbard do not. I promised to mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus
>whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of psychiatric drugs.
Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.
*********************************************************************
I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
*********************************************************************
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
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>If what I believe matters and affects what I say about medicine
It does indeed.
> then she must accept that what Hubbard believes also informs his medical
opinions.
Nope, I don't accept things, I know nothing about and don't care to. For some
reason Scientology keeps popping up in the discussions here, must be used as an
excuse to accept organized medicine brainwashing.
> Millions of children die each year from vaccine-preventable diseases,
>>> but Jan calls it belittling when I try to stop this happening by
>>> pointing out the lies of people who oppose vaccination.
>>
That would be a opinion.
>>As opposed to this argument, where you use logic.
<snip the real reason Peter replies to these kind of posts, to belittle and
insult>
Repeatedly.
Must be a sad life to be so negative and have a desire to always be putting
others down.
Jan
</quote>
The crucial part :
<quote>
>For some reason my religious beliefs matter to her, but those of
>Hubbard do not. I promised to mention Hubbard's opinion about Jesus
>whenever Jan uses Scientology to attack the use of psychiatric drugs.
Complete hogwash. I could hardly use anything I know nothing about.
I keep see Scientology used as a scrap goat in many discussions. I
have no knowledge of what they believe and really don't care.
</quote>
So Jan Drew does not care. But he defends. Defends with all his power. To defend
against all proof.
Is Jan Drew that crazy a psychpoath or is Jan Drew that crazy a pure criminal ?
Either way, Jan Drew is a danger to anybody and must be kept off the internet.
7. Jan Drew works for Hulda Clark
#################################
In a posting dated november, 16th, 2003, Jan Drew advertizes for Hulda Clark, a
known criminal charlatan.
The "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are outrageous lies.
<quote>
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X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 16 Nov 2003 07:00:50 GMT
References: <Go-dnVn9E-M...@speakeasy.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
Mime-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
Message-ID: <20031116020050...@mb-m20.aol.com>
>Subject: Zapper kills infectious bacteria
>From: "f��� R�dicaL" oj...@yahoo.com
>Date: 11/15/2003 10:52 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <Go-dnVn9E-M...@speakeasy.net>
>
>Hi all. I'd like to report that I've used a zapper for a few years now and
>it does seem to work on infectious bacteria, based on my experience.
>
>I originally built a zapper (I have a degree in electrical engineering) from
>Radio Shack parts using the plans in Hulda Clark's book. I tried it for
>awhile to kill intestinal parasites and then stopped using it. A few years
>later I developed a high fever with a serious left ear infection to the
>point where I could feel pressure on the ear drum. I decided to try the
>zapper. I ran it for about 10 minutes holding the copper electrodes in my
>hands. About an hour later, green pus started coming out of my left tear
>duct. Obviously, the bacteria in the ear or tear duct were dying in great
>numbers, creating the resultant pus which was forced out the tear duct. This
>alarmed me (I didn't completely trust the zapper at that point) and ran to
>the doctor for antibiotics, to be on the safe side.
>
>I have since used a zapper whenever I feel a fever or scratchy throat coming
>on, or when a lot of people are getting sick at the office. Typically the
>fever/scratchy throat is gone overnight after using it. It still takes some
>time to get over the feeling of being sick, but at least the zapper keeps
>the infection under control so I don't need to run to the doctor anymore for
>antibiotics. For me the worst part of being sick is the fever, which the
>zapper seems to break very quickly.
>
>Does anyone else (besides the usual anti-quackers) in this group have
>anything of interest to report about using a zapper? I suggest the skeptics
>build or buy one and try it on themselves before dismissing it outright. BTW
>I don't have any financial interest in Hulda Clark or any zapper-related
>products.
Yes, my hubby built one, then later I bought one that clips on to free up your
hands. It works for most any condition you feel coming on. It works for
parasites just as she says, it also works on my doggy. I also have no financial
interest, however I do know Hulda personally, as her son was in my daycare
years ago. She may be wrong about some things, she is 100% correct about the
teeth. She is a loving and caring very fine person.
You may be attacked, ignore them.
Jan
Rich is a cyberstalker and he has been stalking Jan for a long time. John Bain
</quote>
And Jan Drew continues with libelling and defaming his critics.
As I said above, the "zapper" does not kill bacteria. The claims by Jan Drew are
outrageous lies. The FTC states in
http://www.ftc.gov/os/2003/01/drclarkcmp.htm
<quote>
DEFENDANTS' VIOLATIONS OF THE FTC ACT
13. Section�5(a) of the FTC�Act, 15�U.S.C. ��45(a), prohibits deceptive acts or
practices in or affecting commerce. Section�12(a) of the FTC�Act, 15�U.S.C.
��52(a), prohibits the dissemination of any false advertisement in or affecting
commerce for the purpose of inducing, or which is likely to induce, the purchase
of food, drugs, devices or cosmetics. As set forth below, defendants have
engaged and are continuing to engage in such unlawful practices in connection
with the marketing and sale of various products, including the Super-Zapper
Deluxe, Syncrometer, the Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers,
and the Complete Herbal Parasite Program, (also called the Herbal Parasite
Cleanse).
14. Through their advertising and promotional materials, including, but not
limited to, the representations set forth in Paragraph�12, above, and through
the use of their Internet websites, "www.drclark.net" and "www.drclark.com"
defendants have represented expressly or by implication that:
a.��Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective to kill bacteria,
viruses and parasites in the human body;
�
b.��Use of the Super-Zapper Deluxe is effective against chronic
infections, cancer and Acquired Immunodeficiency Syndrome (AIDS);
�
c.��The Super-Zapper Deluxe and the Complete Herbal Parasite
Program, are effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;
�
d.��Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers is
effective to cure all forms of cancer in humans;
�
e.��Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers has cured
numerous people with advanced cases of cancer;
�
f.��The Syncrometer device is more accurate than the best testing
methods at diagnosing all forms of disease;
�
g.��The Syncrometer device can detect the presence of any substance at
specific points in the human body.
�
h.��The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program, is effective to cure AIDS;
�
i.��The Super-Zapper Deluxe, used together with the Complete Herbal
Parasite Program and avoidance of pollutants, is effective to cure
diabetes, multiple sclerosis, Alzheimer's, endometriosis, asthma
and many other diseases.
�
j.��Dr. Clark's New 21 Day Program for Advanced Cancers and
Super-Zapper Deluxe, when used by persons with cancer, make
surgery and chemotherapy unnecessary.
15. Defendants did not possess and rely upon a reasonable basis that
substantiated the representations set forth in Paragraph�14, above, at the time
the representations were made. Therefore, the making of the representations set
forth in Paragraph�14, above, is deceptive and constitutes false advertising for
a food, drug or device, in violation of the FTC�Act, 15�U.S.C. ���45(a), 52 and
55.
CONSUMER INJURY
16. As a result of defendants' unlawful acts or practices, consumers throughout
the United States have suffered and continue to suffer monetary loss and
possible injuries to their health. Defendants also have been unjustly enriched
as a result of their unlawful practices. Absent injunctive relief by this Court,
the defendants are likely to continue to injure consumers, reap unjust
enrichment and harm the public interest.
THIS COURT'S POWER TO GRANT RELIEF
17. Section�13(b) of the FTC�Act, 15�U.S.C. ��53(b), authorizes this Court to
grant injunctive and other equitable relief, including consumer redress,
disgorgement and restitution, to prevent and remedy any violations of any
provision of law enforced by the Commission.
</quote>
The full text is too long to include it in this usenet posting.
Here a detail, found in
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clark.html :
<quote>
The FTC's case was supported by three lengthy affidavits that dissected and
thoroughly debunked Hulda Clark's theories and treatments. Among other things:
Aron Primack, M.D., a cancer specialist who is Associate Professor
of Preventive Medicine and Biometrics at the Uniformed Services
University of the Health Sciences in Bethesda, Maryland, stated
that, Hulda Clark's books "do not provide competent and reliable
evidence" to support her claims [19].
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/primack.html
Peter W. Pappas, Ph.D., a prominent parasitologist and Professor
Emeritis at the Ohio State University, stated (a) although cancer
and AIDS are found worldwide, the parasite Clark blames for them is
limited to South East Asia; (b) "Clark's 'case histories' represent
an egregious example of a highly biased experimental protocol, and
her theories are based on bad science"; and (c) "She clearly does
not have a basic understanding of the most fundamental
parasitological principles." [20]
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pappas.html
Joseph Pizzorno, N.D., the nation's top naturopath, stated that,
"No research is presented demonstrating that the Zapper has any
physiological effects, let alone ability to kill parasites or cure
cancer. The claim that mild electrical shocks to the skin can
eliminate intestinal parasites is, frankly, preposterous." [21]
-->
http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/Cancer/clarkaff/pizzorno.html
</quote>
As you can see, Hulda Clark is a criminal. The Hulda Clark sales company was
sentenced because of the zapper stuff, the very same zapper stuff Jan Drew in
his posting claims to work.
So, for all clear to see :
Jan Drew supports a criminal, AND Jan Drew even tells the very same
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lies the US Court has expressively forbidden.
*********************************************
Here is one more piece of proof that Jan Drew EXPRESSIS VERBIS (!!!) advertizes
for Hulda Clark products :
<quote>
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X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 28 Dec 2003 19:51:16 GMT
References: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c6...@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Teeth - how do I make them whiter?
Message-ID: <20031228145116...@mb-m12.aol.com>
>Subject: Teeth - how do I make them whiter?
>From: "Anth" an...@anon.com
>Date: 12/27/2003 12:06 PM Central Standard Time
>Message-id: <3fef1b84$0$46161$65c6...@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>Any ideas what I can use to whiten my teeth?
>I thought of using bi-carb - but that is abrasive and it will thin the
>enamel down.
>There's also jell packs which I was thinking of trying but these are
>expensive and cumbersome.
>Thanks
>Anth
I use Oregano tooth powder and liquid Peroxy, (both products from Hulda Clark)
works great.
Jan
</quote>
This FAQ was published several times. Jan Drew know it well. And, still, Jan
Drew continues his criminal advertizing for Hulda Clark :
<quote>
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X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 02 Mar 2004 20:28:27 GMT
References: <1b2a5a9f.0403...@posting.google.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: anth and the flush
Message-ID: <20040302152827...@mb-m15.aol.com>
http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm
I have done this several times, it works.
Jan
</quote>
And, Jan Drew does not stop his aggressive lying :
<quote>
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X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 03 Mar 2004 04:50:51 GMT
References: <404515ed$0$1162$65c6...@mercury.nildram.net>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: anth and the flush
Message-ID: <20040302235051...@mb-m15.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: anth and the flush
>From: "Anth" sicko...@sickofspam.com
>Date: 3/2/2004 3:17 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <404515ed$0$1162$65c6...@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>Not sure about taking the Ornithine.
>I'll have to skip that - I'm against pills unless they are really necessary.
>Did you take the Ornithine?
>Anth
YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well the cleanse
won't be as successful.
Jan
>"Jan" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20040302152827...@mb-m15.aol.com...
>> http://www.drclark.net/info/liver.htm
>>
>> I have done this several times, it works.
>>
>> Jan
</quote>
What does Jan Drew claim ?:
<quote>
YES!!! It helps you sleep and Hulda states if you do not sleep well
the cleanse won't be as successful.
</quote>
That is an unproven claim. A claim which is false. Making such claims is a
criminal deed.
Nontheless, Jan Drew, persists in writing in the net, that he does not
advertize. But here again, you can see, how Jan Drew publishes false medical
claims.
Jan Drew is part of the naturopath mafia health fraud.
Here you can read how to complain about health fraud :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm
8. Rich Shewmaker: "$KaChing is Working!!"
##########################################
In his posting Rich Shewmaker explains some of the backgounds of the
"$KaChing"...
<quote>
From: "Rich Shewmaker" <ri...@ilhawaii.net>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: $KaChing is Working!!
Date: Wed, 1 Oct 2003 05:47:29 -1000
Message-ID: <pNScnaQ7epS...@ilhawaii.net>
Quackwatch Ratbags
July $100* $70
August 38 20
September 28 10
*donation capped -- actual "LIAR" count was 132
For the newcomers who don't know what $KaChing is, at the beginning of July, I
proposed donating $1 to Quackwatch every time Jan called someone here a LIAR.
Her nasty habit of shouting LIAR at everyone who disagrees with her was becoming
annoying to me, and, since this is an unmoderated newsgroup where freedom of
speech applies, the only way to change this behavior was to use behavior
modification. There are no channels of positive reinforcement available, so
punishment seemed the most effective approach. Jan has expressed her hatred of
Dr. Barrett and his Quackwatch website repeatedly, thus my plan to apply a mild
punishment for her behavior. The problem is that, unlike positive reinforcement
that can be effective with a variable schedule, punishment must be consistently
meted with every infraction. Thus, the one dollar sting. A few days later, I
added a $5 sting donation to Ratbags for every time Jan brought up the tragic
death of a child to accuse Peter B. of something or other, though I've never
understood just how Jan's warped brain connected him with that case and assigned
the guilt.
Anyway, as the figures above show, the program seems to be effective. Jan even
got through the September Ritalin wars without maxing out the Quackwatch
donation. If $KaChing continues to be effective, I may add a $1 "insomnia fine"
for every time Jan does her childish "ZZZZzzzz" response.
See you next month, and thank you Mark Thorson and any others who are
participating.
</quote>
9. "The Importance of Mass Name Calling"
########################################
Jan Drew displays a fine moral. Allways nice, allways polite, always helpfull.
Unless... the truth shows up. Persons who show the real backgrounds of Jan Drew,
oh, they are REAL BAD. Jan Drew uses foul language, and says that some of his
critics are connected with Satan. Here is a collection by which Jan Drew shows
his real face...:
<quote>
Path:
news.freenet.de!newsfeed.freenet.de!newsfeed.stueberl.de!in.100proofnews.com!in.100proofnews.com!cycny01.gnilink.net!cyclone1.gnilink.net!ngpeer.news.aol.com!audrey-m2.news.aol.com!not-for-mail
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X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 10 Nov 2003 06:03:05 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Importance of Mass Name Calling
Message-ID: <20031110010305...@mb-m06.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:325036
Rich Shewmaker who has no integrity, He doesn't give a damn if all the
debunkers lie.
Richard H Jacobson, proven liar, badgerer, stalker and sad human excuse of a
human being.
Andrew Kingoff who hides behing the fake name of IIsa. Likes to deconstruct
others, has a fetish for steaming bags of feces, and pounding of sand up one's
ass.
Peter Bowditch who isn't man of his words and a proven liar.
David Wright, grump of the year whose intent is to make others angry.
DC Sessions who acts like a spoiled brat.
Ted Nidiffer, who hides behing the name NanaWeedkiller, lackey for Barrett.
Mark Thorson who repeats himself several times a day. Known liar who has to
make retractions, another lackey for Barrett.
Mark MD whose hobby is to annoy.
Mark Probert, all of the above.
WB and Dickinson both trolls.
Joel Eichen who needs his mercury level checked, acts like a chicken with it's
head off.
Aribert Deckers, no words to describe this loon.
A sad sorry *dishonest* bunch.
Who ALL have EGO problems, push drugs and overlook all needless deaths
mistakes and FRAUD within organized medicine.
That's a FACT, Jack.
</quote>
Now, keep in mind, that Jan Drew claims to have owned a child care center. Would
you ever give a child to a person of such paranoid behavior...?
10. Deadly fraud in the healthcare system
#########################################
Jan Drew, for his crime is abusing efforts of Shawn Korrami and other honest
fighters against dental amalgam.
Jan Drew is lying by mixing up true facts with snake-oil dealer lies. This is
the way Jan Drew is disguising his real intention : to advertize quackery in
large scale.
Jan Drew is an unscrupulous liar and is misleading ill people into misery.
Here is just one example of what can happen to one who believes "persons" like
Jan Drew :
<quote>
Betroffene berichten
"Leben" mit Amalgam-Vergiftung
- und andere Dinge im Umgang mit �rzten -
7
6.1.2002
*
(A20106)
Allzuleicht verlassen sich Kranke auf Behauptungen Anderer. Manche bezahlen
diese Gutgl�ubigkeit mit dem Leben.
Gerade noch mit dem Leben davongekommen, aber schwerkrank ist der arme Mann, der
mir erlaubt hat, seine Bitte um Hilfe zu
ver�ffentlichen.
Falls jemand etwas wei�, das ihm helfen kann: BITTE MELDEN SIE SICH!
Ill people too often believe in what others say. Many pay for this with their
life.
Having survived but severly ill, a poor man sent me this email and allowed me to
publish his request for help.
Aribert Deckers
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DMSA and the DMSA-Hg complex half-life, and the normal values.
Date: Sun, 8 Jul 2001
Hi!
I was looking for S. Emerson's old page - and found your mirror. If you know his
present e-mail address please forward that message
quoted below to him.
I would also be grateful if you would reply to that letter as well. Thank you!
(Name)
------- Forwarded message follows -------
Hi!
I hope that you remeber my e-mail from October 1999. I am sorry for such a long
silence, but the enormity of the disasters in my family in recent years is just
incredible.
I lost finaly my job due to the illness, and I got cerebral haemorhage on the
1st of June 2000 - for four weeks doctors were not sure if I survive, but I am
still alive as you see.
I got that cerebral haemorrage during taking of DMSA. Who knows maybe it was
involved in it? I found on that page http://www.altcorp.com/hgtoxicity.htm
an information that DMSA can cause thrombocystosis. I was taking DMSA
produced by Fluka as a chemical reagent (>98% pure). Medical pills of DMSA were
rather too expensive for me.
I felt worse than usually when taking DMSA - is that normal reaction?
I keep my urine samples (gathered when taking DMSA) frozen in photografic film
plastic containers.
I would like to measure Hg level in it, but they (a lab in Lodz, Poland) want to
charge me for every container as for completely separated analysis, so I have to
choose just a few samples (3 or maybe 5 samples) for analysis to reduce my
expenses. They would measure it by AAS cold vapours technique.
I don't know what is metabolism and half-life of DMSA and DMSA-Hg complex in our
organisms, so I am not sure which samples to choose for analysis.
Maybe you could help me? I am attaching a word file with a table indicating when
and how much DMSA I took, and when urine samples were taken. On the last page in
that file is also a copy of my CAT scan.
Do you know what values of Hg are considered normal and what high in urine *when
taking DMSA*? I would be grateful if you would provide me with that data.
I am now on 1 year of temporary pension due to the cerebral heamorrahage, though
I have been already not able to work earlier due to Hg vapours poisoning in the
lab with severe CFIDS/ME like symptoms. This year also my grandmother had a
stroke (we don't even know for sure whether that was a bleeding stroke or not,
because doctors here stint on doing CAT scans or MRI for elderly people), and
she became left side paralysed. My mother is also not well, having very strong
headaches. We both being ill have to take care alone about my paralysed
grandmother - it is very exhausting, and often we also cannot sleep at night
because of her (she often doesn't sleep all night long talking often without
much sense to herself - that's another result of the stroke). Doctors here are
not helpful at all, they would rather want us all to die, so that we would not
bother them again. And what are the conditions and treatment in our hospitals is
a subject for yet another long horror story.
We just live in hell on Earth.
We would like to move out from here to another country, but that's not easy
without any help from outside.
I'll better finish here.
Hope to hear from you soon.
Best wishes
[Name)
------ End of forwarded message -------
*
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</quote>
People like Jan Drew are responsible for the fate of victims like
this ill man.
Jan Drew is a damned shame for the human race.
11. Jan Drew and the Attack on the WTC,
#######################################
Jan Drew's Antisemitism
#######################################
In a posting, dated november, 12th. 2003, Mr. Rich shows Jan Drew's antisemitism
:
<quote>
From: Rich<,@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Jan Drew, lowest of lows (Was Re: A message to a sick son of a bitch.!)
Message-ID: <i4d3rv4dtdbha0h08...@4ax.com>
References: <E26sb.7041$aT....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>
<20031111225707...@mb-m15.aol.com>
Date: Wed, 12 Nov 2003 04:28:50 GMT
On 12 Nov 2003 03:57:07 GMT, jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>Sadly, his enablers will be right along.
>
>It matters not to them how low one is, they defend each others, as in:
Jan is one to talk about how low one can go defend her enablers. The
following is an antisemitic rant made by one of Jan's enablers. Read
the post and then read Jan's comment following it if you want to read
the lowest of lows:
Debbee1023 says:
>>I am beginning to think there are dentists who are among those who are paid
>>to
>>talk against the anti-amalgam campaign, and I am beginning to wonder which
>>ethnic group of people owns those dental supply businesses? I understand there
>>is one large ethnic group that pushes their "people" into the medical field,
>>and those that cannot stand the sight of blood end up as lobbyists, teachers,
>>politicians, entertainers, etc., and that anyone that goes against "their thinking" is ridiculed. The problem being, I am beginning to think all of
>>thismuch to do about nothing in the field of alternative medicine is all true about
>>this particular heritage, and maybe a certain European leader was right long
>time ago.
>
>>The "almighty" dollar is the most important material object in this culture's
>>life. Not all of the people connected, are of that nature, but I'm beginning
>>to understand why the attacks on the U.S. were planned on the cities that were
>>chosen.
>>It's not just alternative medicine that has been attempted to be
>>hijacked...it
>>all because of pure GREED, that has some of these people so possessed,
>>that they feel they are OWED for something that happened years AGO. Instead
>>of
>>"getting over it", like most people do, that have been abused, they keep
>>abusing others that are not of that culture, in an attempt to "even the
>>score."
>
Jan the despicable antisemite agrees:
>Yes, it does appear that way, along with the ole EGO thingie.
>
>Jan
So there you have it. Jan Drew agrees with Hitler's plan to
exterminate millions of Jews simply because of their religion. And Jan
Drew calls herself a Christian. Lord have mercy.
What would Jesus (a jew) have to say about Jan Drew endorsing someone
who said that Hitler was right about the Jews. Jan may find out on
judgment day.
Aloha,
Rich
>
------------------------------------------------
------------------------------------------------
The best defense to logic is ignorance.
</quote>
Here are some more pieces, collected by Mark Thorson :
<quote>
Message-ID: <402EE261...@sonic.net>
From: Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Jan's hatred for Jews
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:06 GMT
Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about Jews
in misc.health.alternative in postings she's made in the
past year. I put line breaks between comments made
in different postings, and in some cases removed line
breaks when lines appeared together in the same posting.
In some cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid
line wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove
parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change
their meaning). These are all complete, original
statements made by Jan.
------- begin collection of Jan's comments on Jews -------
Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be liars, deceitful and insulters.
Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
here on the ng.
That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other.
The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan.
The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews.
I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.
No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked
God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes.
Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works.
Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.
It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate.
It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved.
</quote>
And some more :
<quote>
Message-ID: <402EE267...@sonic.net>
From: Mark Thorson <nos...@sonic.net>
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Subject: Jan's other hatreds
Date: Sun, 15 Feb 2004 03:05:11 GMT
Here is a short collection of Jan's comments about
Catholics, gays, and atheists in postings she's made
in misc.health.alternative in the past year. I put line
breaks between comments made in different postings,
and in some cases removed line breaks when lines
appeared together in the same posting. In some
cases I inserted or removed line breaks to avoid line
wrapping. I did not, however, change or remove
parts of any sentences (as Jan often does, to change
their meaning). These are all complete, original
statements made by Jan.
------- Jan speaking about Catholics -------
Sadly praying to saints comes from Satan.
He is so desperate he is even praying to St Jude
(rather than God though his son Jesus) that
something will happen to me so I can't post.
------- Jan speaking about atheists -------
Go away Mr MD condescending atheist.
The reason you are an atheist is because Satan
has convinced you.
Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group)
with the exception of IIena, they have proven
themselves to be liars, deceitful and insulters.
That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it, yet they cover
for each other.
The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and
need to have an argument going, thinking they
can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is
said, and IMHO are lead by Satan.
The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing but
belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists
or jews.
I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews.
---- Jan using slurs against real or imagined gays ----
Rich is filled with hate and is a sicko, just like Andrew.
Plus they both are very odd, and *queer*.
In your queer mind.
In fact NOTHING you said was true.
Killfile them both is the only answer.
They are both quite *queer*.
They are here because they are both frustrated.
Both are rather queer.
Notice how none of the debunkers have
anything to say about Andrew Kingoff's
*queer* statements?
Me thinks you are acting very queer.
That's Andrew Kingoff, known liar,
despicable hate filled *queer* person.
Rich just doesn't notice Andrew Kingoff's
lies or his professional manner.
They are both rather queer.
How sad.
And STUPID.
And QUEER.
Making up queer stories Eric???????
And woo woo.
And Queer.
</quote>
Here a posting by Jan Drew, dated Feb, 21st., 2004 :
<quote>
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X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Feb 2004 02:32:42 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Truth Causes Unrest To The Guilty
Message-ID: <20040220213242...@mb-m02.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>From: toby...@emailaccount.com (toby jones)
>Date: 2/20/2004 5:12 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <1b2a5a9f.04022...@posting.google.com>
>
>heal...@concentric.net (Michele) wrote in message
>news:<866cef19.04022...@posting.google.com>...
>> jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote in message
>news:<20040219153549...@mb-m13.aol.com>...
>> > >Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>> > >From: toby...@emailaccount.com (toby jones)
>> > >Date: 2/19/2004 3:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
>
>> > >> We all know who posts the hate, here.
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
>> > >They debunked all his words and works,
>> > >and now debunking and lies are second
>> > >nature to them. That is how Satan works."
>> > >
>> > >"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
>> > >for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
>> > >involved."
>> > >
>> > >"IMHO they are led by Satan."
>> >
>> > Those are not words of hate.
>>
>> Jan has an interesting definition of "hate" -- she is claiming the
>> statements she made above are okay.
It is always OK to post the truth.
>Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
True
>They debunked all his words and works,
True
>>and now debunking and lies are second
>> > >nature to them.
We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.
>That is how Satan works."
True
>It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even for the holocaust.
They keep bringing it up, that is the basis for what I see.
When noone here was in any way >involved."
True
>"IMHO they are led by Satan."
He has deceived them into believing Jesus Christ wasn't God's son.
> Those are not words of hate.
That's correct. Some of them are my opinion which I stated, the rest are facts.
>When the statement is made of any group of people that "lies are
>second nature to them", the effect is to sow seeds of doubt, suspicion
>and mistrust in the minds of others, towards that group.
They did and do that all by themselves. Indeed they are not to be trusted. They
lie and the rest swear to it. They make false claims and can't prove them when
asked, because they make things up.
>Even without insisting that it is "factual".
I have stated what is my opinion, the rest are facts.
>And even without attempting to provide an historical basis for that
>"lying" trait, in something that happened 2000 years ago.
Not the issue..
>And even without attempting to link that group in to, uh, 'Satan'.
Wrong. Satan was the first liar, it progressed from there.
All the liies told here that I caught have been proven with the poster's own
words.
Since you are new here,, you have no clue.
Jan
</quote>
Jan Drew says :
<quote>
We have seen every single Jew here lie, but it isn't limited to them.
</quote>
And this is only one of thousands of cases where Jan Drew rages his erratic
psyche into the internet...
One more of these thousands of hate postings by Jan Drew :
<quote>
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X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 22 Feb 2004 01:42:34 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Pathetic
Message-ID: <20040221204234...@mb-m28.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Jan's hatred for Jews
>From: Orac or...@mac.com
>Date: 2/21/2004 3:56 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <orac-EF62C6.1...@news4-ge1.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
>
>In article <fjpf3019geh3dlnbr...@4ax.com>, Rich.@. wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 21 Feb 2004 18:41:11 GMT, Orac <or...@mac.com> wrote:
>
>> >So, the question remains, is there a significant strain of anti-Semitism
>> >in the pro-alts who post here, or are they simply so completely suffused
>> >with an "us against them" mentality that they cannot bring themselves to
>> >speak ill of a fellow altie, no matter how reprehensible that altie's
>> >statements are? I tend to think this is the alternative explanation.
PATHETIC!!! Those who have had success with alternative medicine have been
called everything. The current buzz expression is *anti-semtic*
Coming from a mentally ill man who has had a pattern of abuse toward anyone who
has used alternative medicine. That pattern is so sick, he nuked his posts,
hoping poeple could not see it. However, they are in others' posts which he
can't control and shows an exact pattern. He is so sick, he used ill and even
dead parents to belittle. Now he has the gall to speak of reprehensive
statements.
Furthermore he hasn't said a word about Andrew Kingoff's despicable posts.
Transference of his exact weakness couldn't be any clearer.
>>
>> Let us hear from those who remain silent. I would like to believe your
>> alternative explanation but I wonder. And with each passing day
>> without explanation it becomes more worrisome. Antisemitism is on the
>> rise in the world today. Much of it is being fueled by the Israeli
>> Palestinian conflict and the Iraqi war. It is critical to speak out
>> against antisemitism and ALL bigotry so that we do not again have a
>> return of the genocides of the past.
Rich fears for his life, there are soooo many anti-semites here on this news
group, it is a dangerous place to be!!!!! Talk about desperation. Run for your
life!!!!!!!!!!!
Pathetic Paranoia!!!!!!
The truth is:
Rich has run evey single person off this newsgroup by using these tactics
except me. It is eating him up that he has failed and can not run me off.
>I hope I'm not being too charitable in believing that the my explanation
is the reason why the alties here won't take their less enlightened
comrades to task when they start making bigoted and anti-Semitic
>comments.
You are so very very transparent, When are YOU going to take Andrew Kingoff to
task for all his despicable posts? As in John sodomizing a nativity scene and
fathering a sheep??! Or Richard H Jaconson's pattern of abusing any and all
people who have used alternative medicine with success, EVEN to the point of
using ill and EVEN dead parent to belittlle?!?!
WHEN are you going to do that Orac??????
Perhaps it is because I like to look for the best in people
until I see definitive evidence that I should not.
WOW!!!!!!!!!! Do show us where you have looked for the best in alt. believing
people.
However, I agree that
it is becoming increasingly difficult to maintain this positive view in
the face of so much silence about the blatant anti-Semitism a few of the
alties here voice and in the face of some rather rabid defenses of one
of them.
This blatant so called anti-semitism is a response of the *gang* who can NOT
stand the truth.
You are replying to Rich, and he is a pathetic liar. That has been shown aver
and over. He even lies about his name.
False claims run like water here, when asked to copy and paste, the come back
is, *it was my impressiom* . The is NO copy and paste there is only opinion of
how statements were read.
To say the JewS rejected Christ, is NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.
To say Satan is the king of all liars, and leads those who practice lying is
NOT anti-semitism,,,IT IS THE TRUTH.
To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.
Example:
Jan Drew says that it is not right for Jews to talk about the
>> Holocaust
>
>No, that is NOT what I said. I said it is brought up over and over.
>You said that Jews should go to some other newsgroup you antisemitic
disgusting bigot.
*Jews should go to some other newsgroup*
Is NOT saying it is not right for Jews to talk about the holocaust.
Further more what I said was:
I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.
Then she blames Jews
> of today as a group, for the crimes of some Jews from thousands of
> years ago.
>
>That is also a lie. Rich made it up. He can not copy and paste the proof of
his
>claim.
Bullshit you liar. Here is EXACTLY what you said (cut and pasted):
>es Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
>They debunked all his words and works,
>and now debunking and lies are second
>nature to them. That is how Satan works.
NOT ONE WORD OF BLAMING THE JEWS FOR ANY CRIMES OF THOUSANDS OF YEARS AGO.
>
>Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews.
True. Not one word of blame crimes for thousands of years aso.
>It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
>with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
>with hate.
True. Nor one word of blame for crimes of thousands of years ago.
This is yet ANOTHER example of the LYING here, and Rich's desperation and
losing his temper, because the man is sick and has a control problem.
Ye good ole boy and girl club is still alive.
It iis very transparent and pathetic.
Jan
</quote>
These are Jan Drew's exact words :
<quote>
To say the Jew on this ng are liars, is NOT anti-semtisim, ,,,IT IS THE TRUTH
AND HAS BEEN PROVEN WITH THEIR OWN WORDS.
</quote>
Another collection. Sorry, if there are doubles...
<quote>
From: "Nana Weedkiller" <nanawee...@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,sci.environment,alt.support.breast-implant
Subject: Re: OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal...
Message-ID: <iuv_b.63$Xv...@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>
Date: Mon, 23 Feb 2004 22:51:58 GMT
"Jan" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20040223173759...@mb-m04.aol.com...
> >From: "Mark Probert-February 23, 2004"
>
> >OT: Serious Question for Ilena Rosenthal...
>
> OT.
>
> >
> >"Andrew Langer"
>
> >People like Jan Drew
>
> > if they weren't
>
> > they weren't courageous
>
> >who would have
>
> >Jan Drew would not
>
> ZZzz
So now, Jan dear, just between us girls; how many pieces of silver
did you donate to the floundation to buy her defense of your anti-semitism
and jew baiting? Here's a list of your words in case her memory
betrays her.
"There is an EXCELLENT example of one hate filled jew (on this ng)."
"I suggest all the Jews here go to a Jewish newsgroup and discuss away.
Start with Matt: 27 "
"Their are Jews here and there are atheists,
(they are the ones who have told the group) with the
exception of IIena, they have proven themselves
to be liars, deceitful and insulters."
"Furthmore, I called Andrew Kingoff a Jew Boy when
he posted the stupid blasphemy of the 10 commandments
here on the ng."
"That's because most every atheist and jew here
has INDEED lied. They know it,
yet they cover for each other."
"The group here are mostly atheists and jews,
(who falsely believe they are enlightened) and need
to have an argument going, thinking they can boast their
ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and IMHO
are lead by Satan."
"The truth is that most debunkers on MHA
who LIE through their tetth, do nothing
but belittle, and are filled with hate, are atheists or jews."
"I repeat:
The debubnker's here are atheist or jews."
"No, they aren't right, they are greatly deceived
as Eve was when Satan debunked God's word.
That was the start of debunking.
Then the jews Jesus's very own people tried
to debunk his words, and even
debunked his miracles whch happened right
before their eyes."
"Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works,
and now debunking and lies are second
nature to them. That is how Satan works."
"Most of the debunkers are either atheists or Jews."
"It seems the Jews here have taken over this ng,
with their vile false accusations and they are all filled
with hate."
"It seems to me the Jews here are trying to get even
for the holocaust. When noone here was in any way
involved."
</quote>
12. Jan Drew's religious paranoia
#################################
Jan Drew abuses the name of God. Jan Drew, who insults, lies, belittles,
defames, this very Jan Drew claims to be a Christian ... and accuses others of
being Satan's ... well, whatever...
The following posting is a clear case of manifest paranoia :
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X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 15 Mar 2004 21:03:05 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Poor Mark Thorson
Message-ID: <20040315160305...@mb-m25.aol.com>
Xref: news.freenet.de misc.health.alternative:344236
Still yacking, still angry with Jan because he lied and he knows it. He got
caught up in sayng the original would prove he did not lie, except he can't
post it. Wouldn't ya think he would be eager to prove he didn't lie.???
The lies keep adding up, so he tries to trash Jan.
He failed as what he posted is the truth, which he falsely calls unhealthy
obssession.
Now for the truth.
Are all the atheists here, who have been decived by Satan.
Some choosing lifestyles that are condemned in the bible.
It is pathetic and evil to not care one bit for suffering people,
because of ego, and is certainly wthout a doubt led by Satan.
This is all done in an effort to LEAVE the lies alone.
And in fact is led by Satan.
I truly believe it is the work of Satan.
They know they are lying, and it is plain to see, It appears to me
that Satan has hardened their hearts so much they don't even care.
The bible speaks of the evils of the last days, from what I have
witnessed here, organized medicine is one of the huge evils.
More atheists know it all insulting attitude.
Taught by Satan.
The group here are mostly atheists and jews, (who falsely believe
they are enlightened) and need to have an argument going, thinking
they can boast their ego. They tell lies, twist what is said, and
IMHO are lead by Satan.
Satan has them fooled, just as he did EVE.
I am sorry Eric, but your choice of likestyle is displeasing in God's
sight, and is not how he created man. It is a product of Satan.
Furthermore you can see what a number Satan has done on the
cranky bitches, who brag about it, the bold faced liars and those
who make up LIES, like you. It is noted you couldn't back up your
false claim about what I said. The posters here whose sole purpose
is to protect their EGO. And all love and concern is gone, replaced
with hatred, belittling and making fun of others.
No, I find it as it was from the beginning of time, when Satan
debunked God's word.
Yes Jesus was a jew, his own people rejected him.
They debunked all his words and works, and now debunking and
lies are second nature to them. That is how Satan works.
</quote>
13. The "Jew boy" case
#######################
Trying to find the original posting by Jan Drew with his attacks,
calling someone "jew boy", I found 2 postings missing in my "Agent"
archive file. Seems as if somebody cancelled them before I could
download them with "Agent" in those days.
I do not know, who is responsible for these postings being cancelled,
but I think, that pieces of proof like these should be made public.
So, I herewith to public show these 2 pieces of proof, as can be found
with Google :
<quote>
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From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 02 May 2002 19:59:32 GMT
References: <20020502140729...@mb-fs.aol.com>
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
Message-ID: <20020502155932...@mb-cp.aol.com>
>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>From: ils...@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020502140729...@mb-fs.aol.com>
>
>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too!
>>
>>
>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME
>>
><Snip>
>
>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should
>see
>an alternative medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider
>consulting their yellow pages for an Acupuncturist near them.
Please stay clear of
Southern Acupuncture Inc.
I.L.S.A.
1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A
Wilmington, NC
Jan
</quote>
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From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 04 May 2002 04:35:36 GMT
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Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
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>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>From: ils...@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>Date: 5/3/02 8:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20020503231752...@mb-co.aol.com>
>
>>>Subject: Re: Doctor Syndromes
>>>From: ils...@aol.com5554 (Ilsa Nein)
>>>Date: 5/2/02 11:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>>>Message-id: <20020502140729...@mb-fs.aol.com>
>>>
>>>>If you have Fibromyalgia, then you have one of these Syndromes too!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>LAZY DOCTOR SYNDROME
>>>>
>>><Snip>
>>>
>>>Perhaps, Bubba, folks who believe they have one of these "syndromes" should
>>>see
>>>an alternative medical practitioner. Those so afflicted should consider
>>>consulting their yellow pages for an Acupuncturist near them.
>>
>>Please stay clear of
>>
>>Southern Acupuncture Inc.
>>
>> I.L.S.A.
>>
>>1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A
>>
>>Wilmington, NC
>>
>>910-799-5777
>>
>>Jan
>>
>
>Jan, quit shilling, it is against the MHA 10 Commandments.
Little do you know anything about the *10 Commandments* Jew Boy.
Please stay clear of
Southern Acupuncture Inc.
I.L.S.A.
1403 Audubon Blvd. #1A
Wilmington, NC
910-799-5777
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14. Jan Drew, the stalker
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The work of Jan Drew consists of several parts :
- to seed hatred against scientific medicine
- to make people believe that naturopath stuff works
- to make people believe that they should jump on the alledged
band-waggon of naturopathy
- seed fear
- to advertizing in large scale for naturopath web-sites
But, as there are critics, Jan Drew is faced with critic. How does Jan Drew deal
with critic ?
Does Jan Drew bring real facts ? No. Of course not. Why not ? Because what Jan
Drew advertizes for is bogus stuff, like the "Hulda Clark Zapper" (see in this
FAQ). So, Jan Drew uses several rhetorical tricks, like :
- Jan Drew does not answer.
- Jan Drew dumps tons of rubbish into the usenet to drown people.
- Jan Drew asks questions which are not part of the discussion.
- Jan Drew claims to have people killfiled, so that he could not
have seen their critic.
Mr. Mark Probert has blown that foul defence to pieces by using
new names and email addresses every other day.
- Jan Drew insults.
- Jan Drew lies.
- Jan Drew brings up personal affairs of critics. Like he
criticises that
"Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family"
the last point is one of many which can be seen in the following posting by Jan
Drew :
On 27 Dec 2003 01:36:27 GMT, jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
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Date: 27 Dec 2003 01:36:27 GMT
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Subject: Why Is Richard H Jacobson Obsessed wth Jan?
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I thought I would begin a discussion about the dynamics of Rich's
obsession with Jan. It is pretty obvious that he wants to
demonize Jan as he obsessively posts his diagnosis of her, which is nothing new
as he has a long pattern of the same with others.
Of course any efforts to discuss whether Jan had Mercury Poisoning and
Peripheral Neuropathy will be met with personal insults. Funny how Rich
believes Jan has PN but not MP.
So instead of trying to discuss this issue with Richard H Jacobson I thought I
would share my thoughts about the dynamics behind his obsession.
Wonder why he lies about his name?
Wonder why he could never answer Bubba's questions?
Wonder why Ka&g ended up in his killfile. (for those who don't know, she had a
nack of putting him in his place and he can't stand that)
Rich has never mentioned having a real job or family, it is known he leads
nukie hikes and by his own admission he watches others do what comes naturally.
Perhaps he has sexual problems, that might explain his obsessive hatred. He
must be jealous of other people's happy families and sexual fullfillment as he
must settle for just watching.
I caution people not to trust the
perceptions of Richard H Jacobson He has a big axe to grind with anyone who has
used alternative medicine with success. He badgers them, asked for their
medical records and states any success is placebo. He calls thems liars, while
he lies. He is so ate up with his obsession, he will make comments using ill
and even dead parents to belittle the person. Other times he belittle them by
using their husband.
I speculate that Richard H Jacobson has had many problems dealing with close
relationships and fear something in his childhood has left it's mark on him.
Therefore, he transferees his every weakness to others. and has an insane drive
to put others down, perhaps to build himself up because of low self esteem,
The reason he had these problems is because of the nature of his
psychopathology. However his narcissism will not permit him to even
consider that he may have had some role in his dysfunctional family as a child.
So he blames others for many of the problems that he can not bring himself to
deal with. He talks out of both sides of his mouth, showing his problems as he
transferees them to others.
So now in an effort to make his life in bearable, he constantly is diagnosing
others while saying one should not diagnose over the net. Perhaps he flunked
out of med school also?? His personality is so damaged he can't get along with
others, so he has to settle for leading nudie hikes.
His seems to be incapable of accepting personal responsibility for the
failures, and incapabe of KNOWING WHEN TO SHUT UP.
Wonder why he nuked his posts??
Wonder why he stated MHA was a discussion group, but HE prefered to talk about
whether Jan had mercury poisoning. Why is that so important to him? Why is he
still yacking about it three years later??
Is he looking for approval *here* because it is lacking in his life??
Wonder why he is so obsessed, he prays to Saint Jude that something will happen
to Jan that will cause her to stop posting. Hmm, must be because he has FAILED
at running her off, like he did so many.
Jan
PS: Ducking while awaiting Rich's gratuitous bashing of me by posting
out of context statements from years ago that have absolutely nothing
to do with anything other than Richard H Jacobson's narcissistic rage.
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Well, I did not take anything of Jan Drew's posting out of context. I show you
the full posting as it can be found in the net. As it was written by Jan Drew.
Be carefull dealing with Jan Drew. One of his tricks is to insult until the
victim fights back by insulting. THESE insults Jan Drew then will point to, and
claim that the victim is the REAL oppressor and attacker.
You know what ?: That is a $cientology trick. As you can see in this FAQ, Jan
Drew defends $cientology. Now count 1 + 1 together...
Jan Drew advertizes for quackery which is sold by $cientologists. Now count 1 +
1 together...
15. Jan Drew insults, defames, libels...
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These are only some few examples of MANY, MANY, MANY postings where Jan Drew
insults other participants in the news-groups :
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From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 21 Feb 2004 04:57:03 GMT
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Subject: Re: chlorella seems like it's GOOD STUFF!
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>Subject: Re: chlorella seems like it's GOOD STUFF!
>From: "Anth" sicko...@sickofspam.com
>Date: 2/20/2004 7:31 PM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <4036d115$0$61958$65c6...@mercury.nildram.net>
>
>You are walking lie
>http://www.medford.co.za/articles/Amalgam%20Mercury%20detox.doc
>Anth
>
>"Happy Oyster" <happy....@ariplex.com> wrote in
Thanks Anth. Happy has a screw loose.
Jan
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16. Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
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Are Jan Drew's claims true ? Here is a differing opinion.
(I mounted the quotes with the original FULL texts included. Please note, that,
by mounting the texts, the quotation marks differ.)
<quote>
From: Rich<,@.>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Jan Drew Lied About Having Mercury Poisoning from Amalgams
Message-ID: <npscrvgnq2sd0ojuk...@4ax.com>
Date: Sat, 15 Nov 2003 18:43:19 GMT
As regular readers of this newsgroup know, there is a poster Jan Drew
who obsessively posts about how she nearly died of mercury poisoning
secondary to amalgams. She claims that the removal of several amalgams
saved her life.
But Jan lied several times regarding her amalgam history in order to
deceive others that she really had mercury poisoning when what she
actually had was a deterioration in her preexisting illness
(peripheral neuropathy) secondary to psychologic factors (worrying
obsessively about having mercury poisoning due to reading about it in
Hulda Clark book). She also had a dramatic improvement due to
psychologic factors (relief that the removal of amalgams eliminated
the mercury poisoning).
Now Jan drew ADMITTED in HER OWN WORDS that the reason she went from
thinking that she was dying of mercury poisoning one day and feeling
better than she had the next day within hours of having some amalgams
removed was completely due to relief. Now I will allow Jan Drew to
tell you her in own words that her improvement was due to relief:
Here are her exact words posted on June 18th, 1999 to usenet
[QUOTE, mounted]
>>I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
>>dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
>>can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
>>have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
>>along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.
>
>>If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
>>care of you.
>
>>He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
>>covered up this problem.
>
>>So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
>>from all over to get the work done.
>
>>I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
>>I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
>>mercury out and the root canal pulled.
>
>>Jan
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From: jdrew...@aol.com (JDrew63929)
Subject: Re: Any comments on this explanation for allergy? (yes, of course :)
Date: 1999/06/18
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>Hi Zugumba,
>
>You wrote:
>>Actually, Joel is perfectly correct as far as things go in the US.
>
>You think he never sent a patient with a cold home to avoid catching it?
>
>>dentist can lose his license for treating a systemic illness
>
>What is really a systemic illness. Is that a disease that hits all systems
>in the body or ' just ' a local condition with systemic (general) symptoms?
>Or even one, or a few, distant symptoms? What is it really?
>
>In most cases it is the latter. And as dentists, even in the States, we
>cannot avoid affecting the body conditons when treating mouth conditions.
>The mouth IS a part of the body. And in many cases also the body's mirror.
>
>>If Joel determined that a patient was suffering from a migraine and not a
>>dental abscess, his job stops there. He then is obligated to refer the
>>patient to a neurologist.
>
>Okay, Let's say it is rather diffuse oro-facial pain. What would you do?
>
>>Similarly, removing amalgam restorations to treat a systemic illness
>>(like multiple sclerosis) is considering treating an illness out of the
>>scope of dental practice.
>
>What you really are talking about is indications. Id est; for what purpose
>the dental treatment is performed. Sofar teeth are treated for the reason
>of teeth, yes. One day (and it is emerging) dentists will learn that what
>they do to one part of the body may effect other parts. I am not saying
>that dental amalgam is the sole cause of MS. There are far closer relations
>between classical systemic diseases and dental treatment, for exaple;
>an aggrevated heart condition due to dental treatment, increased arterio-
>sclerotic plaque formation, etc (not to mention all the iatrogenous TMJ:s)
>
>>After a certain point the patient has to be turned over to the correct
>>medical practitioners to finish the job or to follow-up.
>
>That's a pretty obvious statement. Anyone would agree with that. And
>it doesn't disprove what I wrote.
>
>>True, the line can be fuzzy, but most of the time it is pretty
>>clear what range of ailments a dentist in the US can treat
>
>Submandibular lymphatic adenitis? May a dentist treat that - or not? In US?
>
>Hans
I have been reading this thread. I have peripheral neuropathy. I have found a
dentist (alternative) who knows that mercury amalgams are very dangerous. They
can cause all manner of things. He will remove them and put in composities. I
have just had 3/4 of mine remover. The others will come out in a few weeks,
along with the one root canal, which will be extracted.
If an individual has read on this subject and is knowledgable, he will take
care of you.
He has written "Tooth Truth and tells it like it is. He tells how the ADA has
covered up this problem.
So, it is just a matter of finding the right dentist. He has people flying in
from all over to get the work done.
I believe the mercury is the cause of my problems. I hav felt better today that
I have in the last 2 years, and am looking forward to getting the rest of the
mercury out and the root canal pulled.
Jan
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[/QUOTE]
And now the admission that this improvement was due to relief:
Here are her exact words:
[QUOTE, mounted]
>Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
>very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
>much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
>positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
>It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.
>Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
>have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
>mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
>That makes one FEEL BETTER.
>
>What's so hard to understand?
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From: jdrew...@aol.com (JDrew63929)
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Date: 30 Dec 2000 04:24:15 GMT
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Subject: Re: This skeptic's view of alt/comp
Message-ID: <20001229232415...@ng-mm1.aol.com>
>From: Rich {.}
>Date: 12/29/00 10:28 PM Eastern Standard Time
>Message-id: <valq4t089d9uqv0ug...@4ax.com>
>
Rich for the LAST time, I said I felt better than I had in two years. That was
very true. I had been very very ill and my health was deteriorating fast. After
much reading and research I was convinced it was my teeth. I wasn't absolutely
positivity 100% sure, but it all fit together and I knew I had to do something.
It wasn't easy, what if it didn't work? That was very stressful.
Finally all the work was done, the metal was out, the bill was paid, I didn't
have to sit in the dentist chairs for hours with a rubber dam in my
mouth!!!!!!!!!! Of course I was very relieved. A big big burden was lifted.
That makes one FEEL BETTER.
What's so hard to understand?
I also reported I had only begun, now on to chelating the mercury from my body.
With mercury poisoning, it comes and goes, I had some pretty bad spells. I'm
still chelating Rich and will be for some time. I slowly am regaining my health
and my PN is much better. I don't have the painful periods that I once had, and
yes it was after I started taking medication.
You added a few words to what I said which *implied* that I was physicially
free from pain..........as in BANG I'm home free. That is NOT what I
meant.............and you know it.
Now do you better understand? I hope so because I feel no need to explain it
AGAIN. Please respect that I didn't have to explain AGAIN this time.
Jan
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[/QUOTE]
All the work was done??? A lie. The work was not completed until weeks
later. Jan Drew even posted that her dental work was not done until
July 11, 1999.
And now for more lies. Jan Drew told two egregious lies that were told
solely to deceive people into thinking that she really had mercury
poisoning.
The first is on June 26 ,1999 just a week after she had eight amalgams
removed. She claimed that ALL her feet pain went away and she was able
to go out line dancing because she was no longer getting a daily dose
of mercury. This is a complete lie and Jan knew it. On June 26, 1999
Jan still had more amalgams to be removed and they would not be
removed until July 11, 1999 by Jan's own admission. You see Jan has
difficulty keeping her lies straight.
But let us have Jan Drew tell us in her own words:
[QUOTE, mounted]
>On 26 Jun 1999, JDrew63929 wrote:
>> >AF says
>> >*** More childish nonsense from poor, sick old Jan.
>>
>>
>> Well, Jan is doing fine, even went line dancing tonight! Guess that tells you
>> something about my feet..
>> >
>
>
>
>This simply proves that your "neuralgia" is significantly the product of a
>somatization disorder. Mercury accumulates in the body, and there is no
>way having your fillings removed a week or two back could have instantly
>eliminated all mercury toxicity effects. It would take months or even
>years for the benefits to occur, if the problem really was mercury
>toxicity. So if pulling your fillings instantly cured your feet, we have
>a very solid case here that your "neuralgia" was psychosomatic.
>>You are way off base here. I didn't say I was instantly cured. The detoxing
>>that I have done is a major factor in my recovery. Yes, I will continue to do
>>it for quite some time to remove the mercury from my body. I am feeling much
>>better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The
>>elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic
>>about it.
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From: jdrew...@aol.com (JDrew63929)
Subject: Re: Chronic constipation
Date: 1999/06/26
Message-ID: <19990626122727...@ng-fl1.aol.com>#1/1
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>On 26 Jun 1999, JDrew63929 wrote:
>> >
>> >*** More childish nonsense from poor, sick old Jan.
>>
>>
>> Well, Jan is doing fine, even went line dancing tonight! Guess that tells
you
>> something about my feet..
>> >
>
>
>
>This simply proves that your "neuralgia" is significantly the product of a
>somatization disorder. Mercury accumulates in the body, and there is no
>way having your fillings removed a week or two back could have instantly
>eliminated all mercury toxicity effects. It would take months or even
>years for the benefits to occur, if the problem really was mercury
>toxicity. So if pulling your fillings instantly cured your feet, we have
>a very solid case here that your "neuralgia" was psychosomatic.
You are way off base here. I didn't say I was instantly cured. The detoxing
that I have done is a major factor in my recovery. Yes, I will continue to do
it for quite some time to remove the mercury from my body. I am feeling much
better, because I am not receiving a new dose of mercury each day. The
elimination of 8 mercury amalgams has made a difference. Nothing psychosomatic
about it.
>As a country musician, somehow I knew you were a line dancer. And
>that, combined with your recent attempt to smear Texas and Texans,
>explains a lot.
>
>
>AF
It does? My recent attemp to smear Texans? Now, please tell me, do you believe
that people who like line dancing are stupid? Please explain your remark. You
are a country musician, you can't see people truly enjoying themselves while
line dancing? It was the first time I have been in a long, long time. I do not
even know how, I have watched, but my feet stopped me from learning. I was so
thankful to be back and tried a few lessons, THANK GOD, my feet didn't hurt! I
felt alive again. What a blessing!
Just as I thought that I knew you, you have really thrown me here. Please
explain.
Jan
[/QUOTE]
Nothing psychosomatic about it?!!?!?!?!?!?!? It was completely
psychosomatic. Jan Drew's mercury level at the time she made this
statement was the highest in her life since she had eight amalgams
removed over a two day period only a week before.
The second lie is when she posted to sci.med.dentisty that the reason
she knows that it was the mercury in her mouth that caused her health
problems was because she did not *begin* to regain her health until
*after* the mercury level dropped. Not only is this a complete lie and
Jan knows it but the complete opposite is true.
Jan Drew began to regain her health when her mercury level was the
highest in her entire life. That is right. When Jan Drew reported
dramatic improvement in her health (ie better than she felt in two
years, and being able to line dance due to all the pain gone) her
mercury level had not dropped and was likely the highest in her life
because this improvement occurred from hours to a week after her
amalgams were removed.
The reason that alternative dentists recommend slow removal of
amalgams (some as posted by Jan Drew suggest removing no more than one
amalgam every three months) is because the removal of the amalgams
results in vaporization of mercury which even with perfect protocol
will result in absorption into the body of large amounts of mercury.
So on June 18 and 19, 1999 Jan had eight amalgams removed. On June 19,
1999 Jan said she felt better than she had in two years.
On June 26, 1999 Jan said that she was able to go out line dancing
because all her foot pain was gone. Of course the pain only was gone
for a short time because it was likely a placebo effect due to her
RELIEF that the mercury was coming out of her mouth. Just like she
felt better than she did in two years due to relief (by her OWN
admission) she was able to go out line dancing a week later when the
absorption of mercury into her tissues from blood likely resulted in
the highest level in her life.
But Jan said that she knows it was the metal in her mouth because she
did not BEGIN to regain her health until AFTER her mercury level
dropped. A complete lie and the pathologic liar Jan Drew knows it.
This is why she kill filed me. This is why she lies about me being a
liar and a stalker. Jan Drew knows that I exposed her lies and she
refuses to admit it. She is a despicable human being whose sole
purpose in life is to shill for alternative dentists and to perpetuate
the lie that she had mercury poisoning from amalgams. She did not and
the proof is in her own words.
Jan Drew will not respond to any of the points in this post. Instead
she will pretend she is not reading them and then personally attack me
in order to discredit me. Just watch.
That's a wrap.
Aloha,
Rich
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The best defense to logic is ignorance.
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17. The foul language of Jan Drew
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On 06 Nov 2003 23:45:08 GMT, jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
<quote>
X-Admin: ne...@aol.com
From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
Newsgroups: sci.med.dentistry
Date: 06 Nov 2003 23:45:08 GMT
Organization: AOL http://www.aol.com
Subject: Re: The Obsessed Nut Case Liar Aribert Deckers
Message-ID: <20031106184508...@mb-m20.aol.com>
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>Subject: Re: [FAQ about Jan Drew's advertizing for quackery] 20031106
>From: chuc...@aol.com (ChuckMSRD)
>Date: 11/6/2003 8:58 AM Pacific Standard Time
>Message-id: <20031106115835...@mb-m10.aol.com>
>
>>2. Nicknames and persons involved in the Jan Drew scam
>
>>"ChuckMSRD" chuc...@aol.com
>
>Wrong, and Aribert is an obsessed nut job.
>
>Chuck
True. There is no Jan Drew scam. There is no advertising from me.
Neither do I know Chuck other than by his posts here.
Jan
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On 04 Nov 2003 02:34:29 GMT, jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
> The websites I post are written by DDS's MD's Ph.D researchers, people with
>actual experience, and law makers.
Jan Drew admits to post material into the net.
**********************************************
This way Jan Drew is advertizing. Jan Drew just does not call it
advertizing. Jan Drew's denial does not make the advertizing no
advertizing. Jan Drew's denial shows his pathologic character.
Jan Drew is a naturopath mafia advertizing agency and as such his
words are rhetoric warfare.
Because that is the game --- as Jan Drew persuades people to go to
charlatans and quacks.
18. Jan Drew's rhetorical warfare
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As you have seen above, Jan Drew DOES advertize by posting material which is
CONTRA scientific medicine and PRO naturopath mafia stuff. In the following
posting by Nana Weedkiller you see the relevant points clearly :
<quote>
From: "Nana Weedkiller" <nanawee...@yahoo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
References: <Xns9452B413152Fe...@130.133.1.4>
<20031215184729...@mb-m17.aol.com>
Subject: Re: Re Complementary Medicine Grows By Leaps & Bounds
Message-ID: <osuDb.1097$I6....@nwrddc03.gnilink.net>
Date: Tue, 16 Dec 2003 02:53:08 GMT
"Jan" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >>
> >> That's never been an issue, at least not with me. The goal is for both
> >> to work together.
> >
> >You have on several occasions specifically stated that people are turning
> >*away* from conventional medicine and using alternative medicine *in
place
> >of* it.
>
> Please do copy and paste the proof of this claim.
I thought I might help you out a little to remind you of what
you've stated. No need to thank me.
Message-ID: <20010622175838...@ng-fs1.aol.com>
"...when one has exhausted the
conventional route and found no answers, they turn to alternative medicine.
Many have found the answer been treated and are regaining their health. It's
called RESULTS."
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"Or one can turn to alternative medicine and find an answer,,,,,,,,,,,,and
that
is WHY one half of people are turning to alternative medicine."
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"ONE of the MAIN reasons people turn to alternative medicine, is because
conv. medicine HAS NO ANSWERS,,,,,,,,,,,,"
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"Defects of conventional medicine are just one more reason to turn to
alternative medicine, and stay OUT of hospitals."
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"Furthmore, have you any clue as to WHY people are turning to alternative??
BECASE THEY ARE DISSATIFIED WITH CONVENTIONAL MEDIC!NE!!!"
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"When conv. has no answers, it's time to turn to
alternative. Many are finding answers and treatment that is working."
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"And many times they get NO diagnoses because it isn't in the recipe book.
Many
people turn to alternative because conv. has no answers."
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"Their *real* doctor? The reason most people are turning to AM is because
their
conv. doctor has NO answers, because REAL conditions are being denied."
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"In many cases conv. medicine has no answers, that's because many *real*
diseases are denied.
People tuurn to alternative to get to the *root* of the problem."
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"You will find that most people are turning to alternative because
conventional
medicine has no answers."
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The naturopath mafiosi always invite the scientific medicine to cooperate with
them. But the naturopath mafia seeds hatred against scientific medicine
whereever possible.
There will NEVER be any kind of cooperation, as it is the naturopath mafia which
wants to rule the world ALONE, and may it cost the life of all patients.
19. Children die because of criminals like Jan Drew
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On 11 Oct 2003 05:35:32 GMT, jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>This is truly evil.
>
>Jan
This is a report from WHO in 1997 :
http://www.who.int/child-adolescent-health/New_Publications/IMCI/fs_180.htm
<quote>
"Measles
The problem: Despite the major impact made on this disease by successful
immunization programmes, measles infects over 40 million children and kills
over 800,000 under-fives each year. That translates to 2,000 deaths of young
children every day from measles, often in association with diarrhoea and
pneumonia.
IMCI solution: Young children with measles often develop acute respiratory
infections, diarrhoea and malnutrition, and children who survive measles are
more vulnerable to other dangerous infections for several months afterwards.
Trained health workers learn to recognize the complications of measles that they
can treat and those that need rapid referral for more specialized treatment."
</quote>
What is more evil than to kill children ?
Children die. They die because they have not been vaccinated. They die because
of infections which they could have survived if they had been vaccinated.
And Jan Drew persuades people NOT to have their children vaccinated...
Jan Drew denies that he is against vaccination, but here are pieces of proof :
[long, but with reason not abridged]
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You forgot the "once upon a time" at the start and "they lived happily ever
after" at the end...
"Jan" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
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> This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans:
The lack
> of adequate diagnosis and testing available.
??????? There are very reliable tests for mercury level and very clear
sysmptoms associated with certain levels of mercury in the body...where
have these guys been??
The author of this drivel is...Ingri Cassel, Director of a group called
"Vaccination Liberation"
Their mission is:
Mission Statement:
To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective
To preserve our right to abstain
To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide
To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
For further information contact:
Perhaps they should add...to return us to the dark ages when millions died
from illneses that are now unheard of. I hear they want to bring back the
use of trephining as well! Sounds like a real forward thinking group!
next
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>Date: 9/19/02 8:20 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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>You forgot the "once upon a time" at the start and "they lived happily ever
>after" at the end...
Always a smart remark of diversion.
http://proliberty.com/observer/20020608.htm
>> This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans:
The lack
>> of adequate diagnosis and testing available.
>
>??????? There are very reliable tests for mercury level and very clear
>sysmptoms associated with certain levels of mercury in the body...where
>have these guys been??
No, you are wrong. The normal 24 hour urine test will not show mercury deeply
embedded in tissue.
>The author of this drivel is...Ingri Cassel, Director of a group called
>"Vaccination Liberation"
So???
>Their mission is:
>
>Mission Statement:
>To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective
>To preserve our right to abstain
>To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide
>To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
For further information contact:
A very good mission.
Interest in eliminating all forms of mercury.
From the June 2002 Idaho Observer:
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Mercury Amalgams:
Do you still have a mouth full of them?
by Ingri Cassel
After two of my dear friends were plagued with health problems that were only
minimized by natural healing programs, it was discovered that they were both
suffering from acute systemic mercury poisoning and the main source of this
insidious poison was in their mouth.
Both of these women have a mouthful of aging mercury amalgams. It has been
shown that mercury is continually released from mercury dental fillings in the
form of mercury vapor and abraded particles.
This process is further stimulated and can be increased as much as 15-fold by
simply chewing, brushing teeth, hot drinks and even swishing your mouth with a
solution of hydrogen peroxide (used to reduce dental plaque.)
What we have been lead to believe are “silver�? dental amalgams actually
contain 48-55 percent mercury, 33-35 percent silver and various amounts of
copper, tin, zinc and other metals. For decades the American Dental Association
has steadfastly maintained that the mercury in dental amalgams is bound to the
other metals in such a way that the mercury could not possibly escape.
However the ADA's assumption was proven wrong in 1985 when two researchers
demonstrated that the air inside a mercury amalgam filled mouth continually
contained elemental mercury vapor, and the dynamic of chewing increased this
vapor level substantially.
Mercury is extremely poisonous, accumulating over time in the various tissues
of the body, particularly the brain and kidneys. Published research from two
scientists at Utah State University shows that mercury is more toxic than lead,
cadmium and even arsenic. Even world regulatory agencies such as the World
Health Organization (WHO) have stated that the smallest amount of mercury that
will not cause damage is unknown.
In fact, the WHO recently concluded that the daily intake of mercury from
amalgam dental fillings exceeded the combined daily intake of mercury derived
from air, water and food (including fish).
In human autopsy studies it has been found that there is a direct correlation
between the amount of mercury found in the brain and the number and surfaces of
mercury fillings in the mouth. Recent scientific research has shown high levels
of mercury in the brains of Alzheimer's disease victims. Furthermore,
laboratory studies of spinal fluid from both Lou Gehrig's disease and
Alzheimers's disease patients have confirmed the presence of high levels of
mercury that inhibit key brain detoxification systems.
Despite these findings, the American Dental Association and various agencies in
the U.S. government still support the use of mercury amalgam dental fillings.
They claim that they are safe based on 150 years of use and that there is no
scientific proof showing mercury exposure from dental fillings causes any known
disease.
“In 1988 scrap dental amalgam was declared a hazardous waste material by the
Environmental Protection Agency... Once a doctor removes an amalgam and places
it in a tray, it once again becomes a hazardous waste material. I ask the
reader -- what is it about the mouth that makes this same item non-toxic? Or is
it possible that the mouths of some 80 percent of Americans with amalgam
fillings are in actuality toxic waste dumps?�? ~Sandra Denton, M.D., from The
Mercury Cover-Up in the June, 1989 edition of Health Consciousness magazine.
This well referenced article also brings up the fact that dentists have the
highest suicide and divorce rate among professionals. And dental personnel have
a higher spontaneous abortion rate, a higher incidence of premature labor and
infertility, and an elevated incidence of perinatal mortality. But how do we
know this is due to the constant low levels of mercury to which they are
exposed?
This brings us to the problem of detecting mercury toxicity in humans: The lack
of adequate diagnosis and testing available. Symptoms may vary due to
biochemical individuality. There are also different degrees of intoxication
from the same amount of mercury levels.
“Mary�? had such high levels of mercury in her system that our dentist, Dr.
Armand DeFelice, told her that he had never seen such high levels of mercury in
a person that didn't have multiple sclerosis or some other debilitating
auto-immune disorder.
Some of the more common symptoms of mercury toxicity are anemia, anorexia,
chronically low body temperature, bronchitis, colitis, high blood pressure, low
blood sugar, irritability, fatigue, gingivitis, mouth sores, bleeding gums,
headaches, visual changes, insomnia, depression, stomach pains, allergic
reactions, joint pains, trembling and loss of appetite.
The problem is that most people have several of these health problems and would
not necessarily connect it to mercury poisoning. But with at least 85 percent
of the American population having mercury amalgams in their mouth, and most of
these having at least 10 mercury amalgam fillings, the mercury link to
ill-health becomes that much more obvious.
Another reason for concern is that for the past 20 years, the most popular
mercury filling has been the “high copper�? amalgam that boasts 30 percent
copper. Scientific studies have proven that the new high copper fillings
release mercury (and copper) at a rate 50 times faster than the pre-1980
amalgams.
With all the media stories out now on the pervasiveness of mercury in our
environment, it is imperative that we look into our mouths since our fillings
will likely be the main source of our own mercury toxicity.
What is even more convincing is the stories of people who have had their
amalgams replaced with a more biocompatible composite. Chronic health problems
disappear and many claim there is a new level of clarity in their thinking that
they hadn't had.
But the system for removing and replacing amalgams is not a simple one. Often
the plastic composite materials used to replace the filling is nearly as toxic
to a chemically sensitive person as the mercury amalgam was.
According to Dr. DeFelice, there are over 150 different non-mercury composites
to choose from with only a fraction of them being biocompatible.
Also, the order in which the old fillings are removed is another aspect that
can create more hazards than health benefits initially. For some reason,
accepted but not totally clear, your body responds to the removal of the
fillings according to electrical charge.
Fillings are like little batteries and they generate electrical current. Some
teeth will read positive, and some negative when touched with an ammeter.
Evidently, whether the filling is pushing electrons from the filling up into
your brain, or pushing protons, it affects the body's own electrical system
when these are removed.
These are only two of the many reasons to go to a dentist who is thoroughly
trained in the art of amalgam removal. But what I consider the most important
reason to go to such a skilled dentist is the fact that they are clearly
dedicated to helping people get well through their profession.
Now that you know the deadly effects of mercury fillings and fluoride, deadly
substances that are backed by the American Dental Association, why trust and
support a dentist who uses these poisonous substances in his practice?
In a world of many options and choices, it is high time we make our choices
conscious ones.
</quote>
Says Jan Drew :
<quote>
>Their mission is:
>
>Mission Statement:
>To reveal the myth that vaccines are safe and effective
>To preserve our right to abstain
>To repeal all compulsory vaccination laws nationwide
>To expand our awareness of alternatives in healthcare
For further information contact:
A very good mission.
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</quote>
The underlign "***" in the following pieces of proof is by me :
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From: jdrew...@aol.com (Jan)
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Date: 22 Aug 2003 19:47:06 GMT
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http://www.mercola.com/forms/vaccine_teleconference.htm
The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them
Vaccines can harm, and in some cases, even kill. And at school,
vaccine requirements for admission are a serious problem that many of you,
whether parents of preschool to college students, or a college student yourself,
will face.
"The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" is a
professionally recorded 90-minute audio tape of an important
teleconference that I hosted on 8/24/02. The tape features a conversation
between renowned vaccine expert Dr. Sherri Tenpenny and me in the first hour,
with select questions from over 600 conference participants in the second
half-hour. The tape will help you:
Discover simple, practical steps you can take to legally avoid
dangerous immunizations
Learn the difference between philosophical, religious and medical exemptions
Understand why most medical exemptions will not stand up in court
Learn pracitcal methods of improving your child's immunity so they
won't get the diseases the vaccinesare supposed to, but frequently don't,
prevent
Health care practitioners and others with a professional interest in health will
also find this tape invaluable, as your patients will benefit from this
information and you will learn the serious legal dangers you risk if you falsify
a medical exemption.
The damage vaccines inflict on individuals and society far outweighs
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any potential benefit they may claim. This is not unverifiable hype
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from the fringes. Indisputable facts support this claim. Countless
firsthand stories testify to the pain, damage and death vaccines have
caused; a powerful story from a Mother who lost her baby to routine
vaccination that is currently circulating the Internet is but one
example.
But your government, under the thumb of a traditional medical system
grown fat on extreme drug profits, refuses to expose this epidemic. They would
still have you believe vaccinations are good. They would still have you believe
vaccines for your child are "mandatory."
"The Danger of Vaccines, and How You Can Legally Avoid Them" finally
dispels the myths and helps you :
Understand why vaccines are essentially loaded guns aimed at your
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child's body
************
Find out how you can disarm your school nurses by legally avoiding
vaccines
Learn what approaches you can take to immunize your child against
disease safely - and for life
Crucial Vaccine Insight from the World’s Leading Authority
Most of the 150,000 readers of my free health newsletter need no
introduction to Dr. Sherri Tenpenny, as she has been a contributing editor on
the vaccine issue for several years. For that matter, many people throughout
North America have likely heard of her, too, as she has offered her unparalleled
insight on vaccines on countless health programs.
Her articles, such as “Expert" Believes Infants Can Tolerate 10,000
Vaccines and Smallpox Vaccines and Heart Disease, No "Coincidence", gives an
idea of the range of her expertise and important insight. With “Vaccines: What
CDC Documents and Science Reveal,�? though, you will get all of the crucial
information you need to protect you and your loved ones. What’s more, you’ll
get it in a manner you can understand, and that’s not “dry�? but actually
engaging to watch.
If you are also interested in how and why vaccines themselves are
dangerous, you should seriously consider Dr. Tenpenny's new video, “Vaccines:
What CDC Documents and Science Reveal.�? You'll learn how vaccines can cause
illnesses including autoimmune diseases, allergies, ear infections, and more.
You'll discover the very real link between vaccines and developmental,
learning and behavioral disorders in children. You'll find out how and why
vaccine studies are seriously flawed. And much more: read more about Dr.
Tenpenny's vaccine video.
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Date: 20 Oct 2002 21:34:07 GMT
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>From: "Mark Probert" mark_prober...@hotmail.com
>Date: 10/20/02 6:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time
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>
>"Cher" <crge...@i-55.com> wrote in message
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>> Vaccines, all vaccines, are immune suppressing; that is they depress our
>> immune functions.
>
>No, they do not do this. I suggest that you get some facts on this. The
>immune system is alike a muscle, the more it works the stronger it gets.
>Babies, from the instant of birth, have their immune system working very
>hard to accept al the new antigens they are experiencing.
This is an excerpt from an article published by Randall Neustaedtler,
O.M.D. titled Do Vaccines Disable the Immune System?
Vaccines are destroying our immune systems. Amazingly, the medical
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profession ignores the incriminating evidence against vaccines, and
continues to inflict more unnecessary and harmful vaccines on our
nation's infants. A recent study from the New England Journal of
Medicine of May 1996 revealed that tetanus vaccine disables the immune
system in HIV patients. Tetanus vaccination produced a drop in T cells
in 10 of 13 patients, a classic sign of immune deficiency. HIV viral
replication increased dramatically in response to tetanus vaccine.
Finally, white blood cells from 7 of 10 uninfected individuals became
more susceptible to HIV infection following tetanus vaccination.
Despite
these findings, the authors made no comment about the immune depleting
effect of the vaccine.
Why is the public unaware of these findings? Why has the medical
profession kept these reports hidden from the public eye? With typical
condescension, Dr. Martin Smith, president of the American Academy of
Pediatrics, explained in the Academy's News that the inclusion of this
type of information in vaccine brochures would confuse many parents
and
could even needlessly alarm them. An uninformed patient is compliant.
The cover-up of immune system failure following vaccination is
reminiscent of the tobacco industry's continuous denial and
misinformation campaign about the dangers of cigarettes. In both
instances huge profits are at stake in multibillion-dollar industries.
Vaccine manufacturers cannot afford to have their product maligned in
a
public forum.
Doctors have often stated that broadcasting adverse effects of
vaccines
to the public would hinder vaccine campaigns. This attitude emerged
more
than thirty years ago when Dr. Paul Meier testified before a
congressional committee concerning the polio vaccine campaign of the
1960s. It is hard to convince the public that something is good.
Consequently, the best way to push forward a new program is to decide
on
what you think the best decision is and not question it thereafter,
and
further, not to raise questions before the public or expose the public
to open discussion of the issues.
The medical profession has been aware of the damaging effects of
vaccines on the immune system since their introduction. For example,
the
ability of pertussis and DTP vaccines to stimulate the onset of
paralytic polio was first noted in 1909. In every polio epidemic since
then, DTP injections have caused the onset of polio disease.
In 1950, two careful studies were conducted in the state of New York
to
evaluate the reports of an association between the onset of paralytic
polio and recent injections. The findings were published in the
American
Journal of Public Health. Investigators contacted the families of all
children who contracted polio during that year, a total of 1,300 cases
in New York City and 2,137 cases in the remainder of New York State. A
history of vaccinations received in the previous two months was
obtained
on each child and from a group of matched controls in the same
population. Those studies discovered that children with polio were
twice
as likely to have received a DTP vaccination in the two months
preceding
the onset of polio than were the control children.
The association of vaccines with the onset of polio continues in the
modern age. During a recent polio epidemic in the Arabian peninsula
country of Oman, DTP vaccination again caused the onset of paralytic
polio. In that epidemic, 70 children 5 to 24 months old contracted
paralytic polio during the period 1988-1989. The report in the British
medical journal Lancet confirmed that a significantly higher
percentage
of these children had received a DTP shot within 30 days of the onset
of
polio compared to a control group of children without polio, 43
percent
of polio victims compared to 28 percent of controls. The DTP vaccine
suppresses the body's ability to fight off the polio virus.
The destructive effect of vaccines on the immune system can persist
over
an extended period of time. One study published in the Journal of
Infectious Diseases documented a long-term depressive effect on
interferon production caused by the measles vaccine. Interferon is a
chemical produced by lymphocytes (a type of white blood cell) that
renders the host resistant to infection. Interferon production is
stimulated by infection with a virus to protect the body from
superinfection by some other micro-organism. In this study,
vaccination
of one-year-old infants with measles vaccine caused a precipitous drop
in the level of alpha-interferon produced by lymphocytes. This decline
persisted for one year following vaccination, at which time the
experiment was terminated. Thus, this study showed that measles
vaccine
produced a significant long-term immune suppression.
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Proof, again and again, that Jan Drew spreads misinformation about vaccination.
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D. Jan Drew is a shame to the human race
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Mr. Rich posted a very good description of the pathological psyche of Jan Drew :
<quote>
From: [Mr. Rich]
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative
Subject: Can Jan Drew's Word Be Trusted
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On 12 Mar 2004 05:49:55 GMT, jdrew...@aol.com (Jan) wrote:
>Rich will be right along to tell ya the answers to all these quuestion, you
>asked *ME*.
If Jan has me kill filed how can she know that I am doing this??
Oops. The jig is up. Another lie. Sad that. Yes Jan, I know you will
be reading this. You fool no one when you claim to kill file people.
You are a terrible liar.
Cue Jan to start another post attacking me. Just watch.
Jan says it is never right to belittle. Then she belittles.
Jan says that she never snips to change meaning of posts. Then she
snips and changes meaning of posts.
Jan says she never lied on mha. Then Jan lies.
Jan says that she always proves other's
lies. Then Jan does not prove other's lies.
Jan says that she is a Christian. Then she lies and bears false
witness. She says that Jesus was there when God wrote the Ten
Commandments.
Jan says that she is not an anti-semite. But she calls a Jewish man a
Jew Boy and says that lying comes second nature to Jews and that all
the jews in this newsgroup save one, lie.
Jan says she does not hate homosexuals but then she calls them queers
and homos and belittles someone for his sexual orientation.
Jan says that she does not hate anyone but then she expresses hatred.
Jan says Judge Not Lest YOu Be Judged and yet she is the biggest
judger of all.
Jan says that it is good not to hold grudges and instead to forgive.
She posts an interview with God which tells her to forgive. Jan Drew
continues to hold grudges and obsessively posts grudges from years
ago.
Jan personally attacks people and calls them liars simply for having a
different opinion from hers.
Jan Drew calls others hypocrites when she is the biggest hypocrite
(see above) of all.
Jan Drew criticizes conventional medicine for giving medicines that
only cover up the problem. Jan Drew takes two medications that only
cover up the problem.
Jan says that she had mercury poisoning and almost died and her life
was saved by having amalgams removed. Jan knows that it was relief
that made her feel better than she had in TWO YEARS!!!!
Jan says that the reason she felt better than she had in two years was
because all the dental work was done. It was not done.
Jan says that the reason she knows it was the mercury because she did
not begin to regain her health until AFTER her mercury level dropped.
Jan knows this is a lie as she began to regain her health when her
mercury level was likely the highest in her life.
Jan says that the reason that she was able to go out line dancing a
week after some amalgams were removed was because she was not getting
a daily dose of mercury. Jan knows this is a lie because she still had
some amalgams left and they would not be removed for another few
weeks.
Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she had in
years instead of two years. Jan knows that she lied about this.
Jan accused me of lying when I said she felt better than she had in
two years because of what I was implying. But Jan knows I was implying
that it was a placebo response and Jan ADMITTED that she felt better
due to relief.
Jan accused me of lying when I mistakenly posted January instead of
June when she likely knew that I just made a mistake.
And this is only the tip of the iceberg.
Jan is a despicable, liar, bigot, hypocrite, hate monger, anti-semite,
homophobe, belittler, and judger. And I proved it with her OWN WORDS.
May God have mercy on her soul.
Aloha,
Rich
Cue Jan to attack me. Just watch.
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The best defense to logic is ignorance
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E. Why am I maintaining this FAQ ?
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Since 1996 I maintain a web-site against dental amalgam. 99% of my time I have
to tell people what naturopath stuff is quackery. So I wrote web-pages about
what I found.
In the usenet I found a liar who calls himself Jan Drew. Who advertizes
quackery.
Jan Drew is one of many advertizing agencies which do the very same. Some months
ago a German advertizing agency was caught advertizing chlorella algae.
Estimated damage of the chlorella swindle : 1 billion US-$ per year.
The method is always the same. The result is always the same : Ill people are
ripped off. And they die.
Some months ago I got to know about a man ill with cancer. This man was ordered
by his naturopath to drink 1 litre of Noni juice per day. A bottle costs about
50 US-$. After 6 months all his money was gone and the man was dead. He had paid
estimated 9000 US-$. Calculating the normal dealers' provisions the naturopath
collected about 2000 US-$. Or more...
And the man ill with cancer is dead...
I am collecting material about Jan Drew. I want to make a web-page about his
criminal abuse of ill people.
Please contact me via
news:misc.health.alternative or news:sci.med.dentistry
*********************** *****************
A militia against the Jan Drew quack mafia !
I give 1 Dollar.
Do never forget, that you can and must (!) complain against health fraud. Take
your part in the defense against abuse of children and ill people!
The details about how you can do this in the USA you can find here :
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/amacyber.htm
Regards,
Aribert Deckers
Happy Oyster
Homeopathy is fraud.
The guide on how to survive misc.health.alternative
===================================================
Rule #5 Do not believe the claims of the homeopaths.
Homeopathy is a constant breach of the rules
of homeopathy.
Did you know that the naturopathic mafia sells THOUSANDS of homeopathic
"Arzneymittel" where there is NO proofing for? According to the rules of
homeopathy that is fraud.
NO ONE complains about this fraud, ALL of the scene are responsible for this
fraud.
How can a patient trust a person who even breaks the most important of his
very own basic rules!?
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_amp.htm
That article is about the gigantic fraud of the homeopaths, who break their own
homeopathic rules by Hahnemann that homeopathic arzneimittel are to be given
according to the symptoms listed in the Repertorium AFTER the proving is made.
BUT for many, many homeopathic arzneimittel there is not even a single proving!
===============================================================================
And there is a lot more than just that fraud.
*** Now that I pointed to this fraud, what happens? Nothing!
No uproar because of the fraud. So, we see one thing absolutely clearly:
Fraud against the rules of homeopathy is so very common that nobody
minds to say a word against it.
*** Digging deeper we find, that fraud is an integral part of homeopathy.
*** Digging deeper we find one more astounding fact: There is an inner
consense (German: "Binnenkonsens") to cover up such frauds.
*** Digging deeper we find one more astounding fact: There is an inner
consense (German: "Binnenkonsens") to massively attack those who
write about such frauds.
That is a typical sectoid behavior.
Fact is:
*** MANY homeopathic arzneimittel do not have even a single proving.
This is without any doubt a clear breach of the base of homeopathy.
*** The producers of these homeopathic arzneimittel commit a fraud
against the basic fules of homeopathy - and they do know it!
*** The homeopathic organizations worldwide support this fraud.
It IS a mafia. A pharma mafia. Their sales exceed a billion Euros per year.
Yes, homeopathy is an EXTREMELY lucrative part of the healthcare system.
Fact is that the naturopathic stuff to a great extent is NOT natural, but pure
chemistry - like homepathy, which de facto is NOT naturopathic.
Fact is that the naturopathic scene solely is nothing but fraud.
Fact is that the naturopathic scene denies any proof for the claims it makes.
Fact is that the naturopathic scene merely consists of false medical claims.
Fact is that the naturopathic scene is cause for the death of tens of thousands
of persons in Germany alone.
These cases of death the naturopathic scene claims to be caused by "standardized
medicine". But fact is that people in critical condition MUST be treated by
"conventional" medicine - whatever has happened before, like neglecting all
kinds of scientific diagnoses, like neglecting all kinds of scientific
treatments.
Now, that the persons in critical state come into the hospital, the naturopathic
scene puts all the burden for the life of these persons onto the shoulders of
"standardized" medicine, despite the clear fact that the cause for the critical
state is in the naturopathic scene.
Lets take a look of one of the most outraging frauds and claims in naturopathy:
their use of the highly toxic metal mercury.
Did you know that homeopaths - in contrast to their claims - use large volumes
of mercury?
You have to look very carefully at the dilution. The homeopaths obviously use
dilutions of 1/10, that is D1. Look at the many places where it says D3 or D4.
That stuff for sure IS very poisonous.
The other thing to realize: that the homeopaths use MANY, MANY, MANY times
mercury compounds. They disguise it behind their pseudo-latin.
Their language is to give them the air of wisdom. But the stuff they use is
ordinary things, like chalk or some grinded stones. Or pieces of a dead mouse
which was found before the front door. The latter is no joke! And the story
about dog shit as a homeopathic remedy also is true.
Yes, mercury is a toxic stuff. And, yes, homeopaths use mercury in large
quantities, as I found in 2001:
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_rep1.htm
<quote>
Repertorium hydrargyrum
Wie man Kranken Quecksilber verkauft
19.10.2001
Sind Sie krank? Leiden Sie an einer der folgenden Krankheiten oder haben
folgende Symptome?:
Tabelle 1
Adnexitis
Angina
Colica mucosa und Colitis
Darmkolik
Diphterie
Dysenterie
Eiterungen
Ekzem
Endometritis und Metritis
Exsudative Diathese
Gastroenteritis
Gelenkrheumatismus
Gingivitis
Glossitis
Gonorrhoe
Hordeolum
Karzinom
Keratitis
Kopfschmerz und Migr�ne
Kr�mpfe
Luesfolgen
Lymphadenitis und Lymphangitis
Mastitis
Milchschorf
Nephritis und Nephrose
Neuralgie
Neuritis
Ohrensausen
Osteomalacie und Osteomyelitis
Otitis media
Ozaena
Paradentose
Parotitis
Phlebitis
Phlegmone
Proktitis
Prostatahypertrophie und Prostatitis
Ptyalismus
Pyelitis und Pyelonephritis
Reizblase
Scarlatina
Seborrhoe
Septische Prozesse
multiple Sklerose
Soor
Stomatitis
Sykosis
Tabes dorsales
Tonsillarabsze�
Trigeminusneuralgie
Urethritis
Zahnkaries
Zahnschmerzen
Was haben die oben genannten Krankheiten/Beschwerden/Symptome mit einander
gemein?
Das k�nnen Sie herausfinden zum Beispiel mit einem kleinen Buch mit dem Titel
"Hom�opathisches Repetitorium"
Arzneimittellehre in Tabellenform
Herausgegeben von der Deutschen Hom�opathie-Union
Pharmazeutisch �berarbeitet
Nachdruck
Deutsche Hom�opathie-Union . Karlsruhe
Dort finden Sie (in der Ausgabe von 1994 ab Seite 318) ein "Register der
Hauptindikationen".
Was stellen Sie fest?: Alle oben genannten Krankheiten/Beschwerden/Symptome
werden von Hom�opathen mit Quecksilber
"behandelt"...
Quecksilber, ein Gift, vor dem �berall gewarnt wird, ausgerechnet QUECKSILBER
soll in Medikamenten sein? Ja, es ist. Leider.
�berzeugen Sie sich selbst!
Einen kleinen Hinweis m�chte ich Ihnen bei der Suche nach dem Buch geben:
Dieses Repetitorium
ist nur zur Abgabe
an Fachkreise bestimmt
Dieser Vermerk befindet sich auf der 2. Umschlagseite.
Warum dieses? Vielleicht, weil die Patienten sonst dahinterkommen k�nnten, was
ihnen zugemutet wird?
Im Detail handelt es sich um folgende Formen/Verbindungen von Quecksilber:
(Die Seitenzahl bezieht sich auf die Ausgabe von 1994, aus der die Daten
entnommen sind)
(Hervorhebungen von mir)
Tabelle 2
Mercurius bijodatus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 202)
Mercurius jodatus ruber
Hydrargyrum bijodatum rubrum
Quecksilberjodid
HgJ2
Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschlie�lich D3
Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1
SV L�sung = D3
Gebr�uchliche Tabletten (Dil): D4, D6, D3
Gebr�uchliche Ampullen : D6, D8, D15
Indikationen wie unter Mercurius solubilis mit besonderer Wirkung
bei Anginen und Adnexitis.
--
Organspezifizit�t
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalit�ten :
Tonsillen, Adnexe, im �brigen wie bei Mercurius solubilis.
Anginen im akuten und chronischen Stadium, besonders wenn die
region�ren Lymphdr�sen stark geschwollen sind. In diesem Fall
gutes Unterst�tzungsmittel der Serumtherapie bei Diphterie. Bei
chronischer Tonsillenhyperplasie t�glich 2 Tabletten D4 f�r etwa
6 Wochen. Ferner gut wirksam bei akuter und subakuter Adnexitis.
AMB und Leitsymptome wie unter Mercurius solubilis (siehe dort).
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius cyanatus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 202)
Hydrargyrum cyanatum
Mercuricyanid
Quecksilbercyanid
Hg(CN)2
Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschlie�lich D3
Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1
L�sung = D2
Gebr�uchliche Tabletten (Dil): D6, D4
Gebr�uchliche Ampullen : D6
Indikationen wie unter Mercurius solubilis mit besonderer Wirkung
bei der malignen Diphterie oder Angina und deren Komplikationen.
--
Organspezifizit�t
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalit�ten :
Tonsillen und Mundh�hle, Leber und Nieren.
Mercurius cyanatus geh�rt zu den hochtoxischen Hg-Verbindungen.
Neben der Serumtherapie ist es besonders zur zus�tzlichen
Behandlung bei Diphterie oder schwerer Angina zu empfehlen,
wenn diese Krankheiten einen malignen Charakter mit starken
Nekrosen oder Gangraeneszenz annehmen und offensichtlich auf
die parenchymat�sen Organe, besonders Leber und Niere, toxisch
zu streuen scheinen. Vorsichtige Dosierung! Mercurius cyanatus D6
gen�gt meist. Eventuell mit Lachesis Amp. D8 bis D12 oder
Chinacea (Urtinktur) kombinieren. Das AMB entspricht im �brigen
dem von Mercurius solubilis (siehe dort).
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius dulcis
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 202)
Calomel
Mercurius chloratus
Hydrargyrum chloratum
Quecksilberchlor�r
Hg2Cl2
Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschlie�lich D3
Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1
Gebr�uchliche Tabletten : D4,D3
Gebr�uchliche Ampullen : D8
Hepatopathie, Hepatitis, Cholecystitis, Ikterus, akute
Gastoenteritis, Metalues.
--
Organspezifizit�t
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalit�ten :
Leber, gallenblase, Darm, Bindegewebe.
Mercurius dulcis ist bei passendem AMB (siehe unter Mercurius
solubilis) besonders wirksam in der D4 - D6 bei den
nebenstehenden Indikationen. Metaluetische Prozesse erfordern
t�glich 3mal 1 Tablette D2 in Kombination mit Kalium jodatum Dil
D1 t�glich 3mal 10 Tropfen.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius solubilis
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 204)
Mercurius solubilis Hahnemanni
Hydrargyrum oxydulatum nigrum Hahnemanni
Ein Gemenge, das im wesentlichen Mercuroamidonitrat = NH2Hg2NO3,
metallisches Hg und Quecksilber(I)oxid Hg2O enth�lt.
Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschlie�lich D3
Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1
Gebr�uchliche Tabletten : D4, D6, D12, D3
Dil : D8
Gebr�uchliche Ampullen : D8, D10, D12, D15 und h�her
Schleimhautentz�ndungen der Mundh�hle und des Magen-Darm-Kanals.
Angina, Stomatitis, Gingivitis, chronische Rhinbitis und
chronische Otitis med. Dysenterie, Colitis simplex et ulcerosa.
Akute und chronische Entz�ndungen des gesamten lymphatischen
Apparates. Pyodermie, Furunkulose, Skrofulose. Dermatitis und
Dermatosen, chronische Bindegewebsaffektionen. Blepharo-
Konjunktivitis, Opthalmie. Periostitis, Knochenkaries. Sinusitis.
Tendovaginitis, Pulpitis, Periodontitis. Hepatitis. Nephritis.
Lues und deren Folgezust�nde, besonders Neurolues. Adnexitis,
Metritis.
--
Organspezifizit�t
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalit�ten
ZNS, periphere Nerven, Dr�sen, Knochen, Periost, alle
Schleimh�ute, Mastdarm, Haut, Bindegewebe, Z�hne, Leber, Nieren,
Augen.
Akute Vergiftungssymptome: Metallgeschmack, Brennen, Schwellung
und Geschwulstbildung im Munde, Speichelflu�, Zahnlockerung,
Leberschwellung, ruhrartige Durchf�lle mit Blut und Tenesmen.
Albuminurie, Anurie, Kreislaufkollaps.
Chronische Vergiftungssymptome: Psychisch ist die gesamte
Symptomatologie der progr. Paralyse im AMB von Hg zu erkennen,
einschlie�lich der fortschreitenden Demenz, der Schriftst�rung,
des Tremor mercurialis und Erethismus mercurialis. Kachexie,
Kiefernekrose, Nephrocirrhose. Ostitis, Periostitis, hartn�ckige,
meist oberfl�chliche Hautulcerationen. Eitrige Bindehaut- und
Hornhautentz�ndungen.
Die wichtigsten Charakteristika sind:
1. Foetor ex ore und Speichelflu�.
2. Dick belegte, geschwollene, schrammige Zunge mit sichtbaren
Zahneindr�cken.
3. �belriechende, klebrige, gelbliche Nachtschwei�e.
4. Empfindlichkeit gegen kalte Luft und gegen Bettw�rme.
5. Alle entz�ndlichen Absonderungen sind �tzend, scharf und von
eitrigem Charakter.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius sublimatus corrosivus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 204)
Mercurius corrosivus
Hydrargyrum bichloratum
Sublimat
Quecksilebrchlorid
HgCl2
Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschlie�lich D3
Vorschrift 5a: L�sung = D1
Gebr�uchliche Tabletten (Dil): D6, D4
Indikationen wie unter Mercurius solubilis mit besonderer Wirkung
bei Dysenterie, Colitis, Stomatitis apthosa et ulcerosa, Angina,
Sycosis simplex barbae.
--
Organspezifizit�t
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalit�ten :
Die pathologisch-anatomischen Beziehungen und die AM-Symptome
entsprechen ganz denen von Mercurius solubilis. Bei Mercurius
sublimatus corrosivus sind nur alle Symptome viel heftiger. In
erster Linie bei den nebenstehend hervorgehobenen Indikationen zu
verwenden. Bei Sycosis simplex �u�erliche Betupfung mit Mercurius
sublimatus corrosivus Dil. D4.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius sulfuratus ruber
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 206)
siehe auch Cinnabaris
Hydrargyrum sulfuratum rubrum
Quecksilbersulfid
Zinnober
(wird allgemein als "Cinnabaris" rezeptiert)
Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschlie�lich D3
Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1
Gebr�uchliche Tabletten : D4, D3, D6
Indikationen wie unter Mercurius solubilis mit besonderer Wirkung
bei subakuter und chronischer Sinusitis.
--
Organspezifizit�t
subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und
Modalit�ten :
Die pathologisch-anatomischen Beziehungen und die AM-Symptome
entsprechen ganz denen von Mercurius solubilis. Es besteht jedoch
eine bevorzugte Wirkung auf die subakuten und chronischen Entz�
ndungen der Nasen-Nebenh�hlen und der Nasenschleimhaut. "Druck an
der Nasenwurzel" ist ein typisches Leitsymptom. H�ufig ist die
Kombination mit Kalium bichromic. D4 - D6 (siehe dort) angezeigt.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Mercurius vivus
------------------------------------------------------------------------
(Seite 206)
Hydargyrum
Quecksilber
Hg
Verschreibungspflichtig bis einschlie�lich D3
Vorschrift 6: Verreibung = D1
Gebr�uchliche Tabletten : D4
Entspricht vollkommen den Indikationen von Mercurius solubilis.
--
Organspezifizit�t subjektive und objektive Symptomatik und Modalit�ten :
Die pathologisch-anatomischen Beziehungen und die AM-Symptome
entsprechen v�llig denen von Mercurius solubilis.
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cinnabaris
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Cinnabaris = rotes Quecksilbersulfid,
Daten wie Mercurius sulfuratus ruber
------------------------------------------------------------------------
Ich will hier nicht weiter auf die einzelnen Verbindungen eingehen. Wichtig ist
bei ALLEN die angegebene Verd�nnung: Beachten Sie, in
welch starker Dosierung es eingesetzt wird. Der Vermerk �ber die
"Verschreibungspflicht bis einschlie�lich D3" ist bei einem so starken
Gift wie Quecksilber der blanke Hohn.
In der Tabelle 1 steht nichts �ber die jeweiligen Verd�nnungen. Man darf also
die oben bei den Quecksilberverbindungen aufgef�hrten
Verd�nnungen vermuten. Diese Verd�nnungen sind aber in einem Bereich, wo
DEUTLICH me�bare Materialmengen an Gift enthalten
sind!
In diesem Zusammenhang ein Hinweis auf die Arbeit von Fernsehredaktionen.
Die Redaktion des "MDR TV: Hier ab vier -Ratgeber" des MDR hat eine Web-Site. Zu
einer Sendung, die anscheinend am 19.1.1999
ausgestrahlt wurde, hei�t es in der auch heute noch (Datum 19.10.2001)
unver�nderten Webseite (einschlie�lich Tippfehler)
http://www.mdr.de/hier-ab-vier/ratgeber/inhalt_990119.html :
(Hervorhebungen von mir)
------------------------------------------------------------------------
<quote>
Krankheitsursachen in der Mundh�hle
Herde (siehe oben), auch Eiterherde
Energetische St�rungen, die sich durch gest�rte
Energiefl�sse auf bestimmte K�rperregionen
auswirken k�nnen, z.B. Zahn 7 oben oder unten auf
Lunge und Dickdarm, k�nnen aber auch Ausdruck
von �bergeordneten Ph�nomenen sein z.B.
unbew�ltigte Traurigkeit, nichtgelebte Toleranz [1]
etc.etc. - Z�hne als Grenzfl�che f�r die Abweichung
vom richtigen Weg? Zumindest als Zeichen der
Auseinandersetzung zwischen Mensch und Umwelt.
Handfester ist die Belastung durch Quecksilber aus
dem Amalgam, das inzwischen laut
wissenschaftlichen Gutachten (Kieler Gutachten
1997) f�r medizinisch und rechtlich bedenklich
gehalten wird. Amalgam vergiftet den Speichel, f�hrt
zu einer Mundbatterie mit Stromproduktion und hat
jede Menge Nebenwirkungen. Nur - keiner liest den
Beipackzettel - es gibt ihn (so) nicht. Zitat: "Amalgam
geh�rt entweder in den Sonderm�ll oder in den Mund
des Menschen". Kleiner Auszug aus den m�glichen
Nebenwirkungen: Zittern, erh�hte Erregbarkeit,
Gingivitis, Schilddr�sen- und Verdauungsst�rungen,
Candida-Pilz-Belastungen, Depressionen,
Verge�lichkeit, massives Schwitzen, Kn�tchenflechte
der Wangenschleimhaut, das Blutbild kann sich
verschlechtern und die Resistenz von Bakterien
entstehen. Teste: Kaugummi-Test, Urin-Test (Amtest
- Adresse, Tel. siehe unten). Auch andere
Zahn-Werkstoffe k�nnen toxische Belastungen
hervorrufen, allen voran das Edelmetall Palladium.
Funktionelle St�rungen entstehen durch
Disharmonien zwischen Kopfhaltung
(Halswirbels�ule) und Kiefergelenken, Zahnstellung
und Kaumuskulatur und durch falsches Kauen.
Mundsp�ll�sung: Listerine,
Dentaperfekt+�-Mundwasser (mit CH 7),
Parodontitis-Behandlung mit St. Johanser
Matricell-Ampullen. 1 Ampulle in den Mund entleeren
und 10 Minuten im Mund bewegen, erst s��, dann
wirkt das Propolis antibakteriell und antientz�ndlich.
Vorbeugung: Reichlich Kalzium aus der Nahrung
durch Wirsing, Broccoli, Mandeln, Gr�nkohl, nicht
nur durch Milch! Pflanzliches Calcium reicht aus.
Mundgeruch: Entsteht durch Parodontose und
schlechte Darmregulation - Darm und Mund h�ngen
zusammen.
Herztest: Pr�ft die Herzaktion und gibt per Computer
Auskunft �ber die Vitalit�t des K�rpers und den
Schaden von z.B. Amalgam -
Reliability-Heart-Rate-Test, zeigt auch die Wirkung
der Behandlung. Sensationell einfache und sichere
�berpr�fung von Gesundheitszustand und
Therapieerfolg. [2]
Wie erkennen Sie einen Herd in den Z�hnen?
K�rperliche Beschwerden, die nicht zu erkl�ren sind,
k�nnen ein Zahnst�rfeld zur Ursache haben.
Milchzahn im Erwachsenengebi� = immer ein
St�rfeld
Z�hne beschliffen mit hochturbinigem Bohrer?
Vielleicht ein St�rfeld.
Schw�che oder Kollaps bei (nach) Zahnbehandlung.
Zahn- und Kopfschmerzen zur gleichen Zeit.
Ausleitung von Quecksilber, das zur
Unfruchtbarkeit und mannigfaltigen Krankheiten
(siehe oben) f�hren kann:
Derivatio Ha - hom�opathisches Komplexmittel [3]
Dentaperfekt� Mundwasser vor und nach
Amalgam-Entfernung
Zinkorotat (20 oder 40) 1x1
Selen - hom�opathisch z.B. D4/D6
Mercusius solubilis hanemannii D6 30,0 + D12 15,0
+ D30 5,0 zusammen 50 ml, 3x10 Tropfen [4]
Achtung! Dies sind nur M�glichkeiten, alle
Behandlungen nur mit Arzt und Zahnarzt zusammen.
Endg�ltige Quecksilber-Ausleitungen k�nnen �ber 1
Jahr in Anspruch nehmen.
Weitere Methoden: Koriander-Kraut, Chlorella-Alge,
Bioresonanz-Therapie; [5]
Merke: Jede Methode sollte im Einzelfall ausgetestet
werden. [6]
</quote>
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Anmerkungen:
[1]
"Energetische St�rungen" ist typisches Vokabular der "alternativen"
"Heiler"-Szene.
[2]
Die Aussagekraft dieses angeblichen Tests wage ich ganz entschieden zu
bezweifeln!
[3]
"Ausleitung" mit hom�opathischen Mitteln ist NICHT m�glich!
[4]
"Mercusius solubilis hanemannii D6 30,0 + D12 15,0
+ D30 5,0 zusammen 50 ml, 3x10 Tropfen [4]"
50 Kubikzentimer einer Quecksilber-L�sung D6...
[5]
Koriander-Kraut, Chlorella-Alge und "Bioresonanz"-"Therapie" sind
Schwindel-Verfahren.
[6]
"Jede Methode sollte im Einzelfall ausgetestet werden."
Das ist ein Kernsatz fast jeder Argumentation der "alternativen" "Heiler"-Szene.
Er enth�lt einen besonders hinterh�ltigen Trick,
angesetzt mit der Standard-Formel des "individuellen Eingehens" auf jeden
einzelnen Patienten: Der Patient denkt, da� man sich
seiner besonders schonend annimmt.
In Wirklichkeit wird ihm durch diesen Trick eine ganze Serie von "Tests"
verkauft, die er nat�rlich bezahlen mu�. Hilft der erste
Test nicht, dann vielleicht der zweite. Hilft der nicht, dann vielleicht der
dritte... Und so weiter... Im Nullkommanichts sind Kosten
von mehreren Hundert Mark, nicht selten sogar mehreren Tausend Mark aufgelaufen.
So ungeniert wird heute Quecksilber als Medikament angepriesen. Und verkauft...
Und angewendet...
Auch bei Ihnen?
Aribert Deckers
PS: Erw�hnen m�chte ich auch dieses makabre Fundst�ck aus dem "Repertorium" der
Deutschen Hom�opathie-Union, Karlsruhe:
Poliomyelitis: Aconit., Belladonna, Ferrum phosph., Gelsenium,
Phosphor., Plumbum acet.
("Poliomyelitis", abgek�rzt "Polio", ist Kinderl�hmung...)
hier geht's weiter !
[ Das Amalgam-Zentrum ]
Copyright � 2001
Aribert Deckers
and
Copyright � 2001
Antares Real-Estate
Jegliche Weiterverwendung der Texte der Amalgam-Page ist verboten.
Verlage d�rfen sich wegen der Nachdruckrechte per Email an mich wenden.
Aribert Deckers
</quote>
--
Happy Oyster
Jan Drew has a problem...
t
"Bob Officer" <bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
news:0q39951abmbkbuio4...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 17:59:16 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
> Jan Drew <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>> Bob Officer <boboffic...@127.0.0.7>
>
> Jan drew admitting defeat.
>
>
> --
> Bob Officer
Idiot
Ilena Rose
issue!
Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
your loved ones. Educate yourself on the toxic ingredients in
vaccines.
http://www.naturalnews.com/Dont_Inject_Me_The_Swine_Flu_Vaccine_Song.html
Happy Oyster
>Bravo to Mike Adams for putting some humour behind a very serious
>issue!
> Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover
> http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
> Lots of important vaccination links ... please protect yourself &
>your loved ones. Educate yourself on the toxic ingredients in
>vaccines.
Today is sunday, and one more day the Net is under siege by the naturopathic
mafiosi...
Rule #1
Do not fall for the lies of the naturopathic mafia.
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There is no "alternative medicine". Either something works, then it is
integrated into scientific medicine, or it does not work, then it is crap and no
medicine.
Question: Who is the naturopathic mafia?
Answer: We do not know who ALL are behind the goings-on in
misc.health.alternative, BUT we know that there are some criminals acting here
(and in other news-groups).
Question: Who is abusing misc.health.alternative - and why?
Answer: The question about WHO is abusing misc.health.alternative is easy to
answer, but the WHY we can only guess.
Reason: As long as these persons do not confess in public why they abuse this
news.group, we only can guess their motives. But some are quite obvious.
Stupidity is the simplest one (sic!).
The following persons are abusing the news-group mish.health.alternative:
1. Janet Mae Stidd, known as Jan Drew of Bloomington, Indiana
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There is a FAQ about her, which is irregularly posted.
Jan Drew even cannot count to 2.
Acts as a shill for Mercola and other charlatans.
To follow the medical claims of Jan Drew can lead to the death of your
children and of yourself.
2. Paul Autrey
He agressivley insults and stalks other participants.
Typical: "Nazi", "Whore", etc...
Acts as a shill for Mercola and other charlatans.
A list of typical quotes of him is irregularly posted.
3. Ilena Rosenthal <B...@mundo.com>
She aggressively insults other users and libels them.
An example:
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
Subject: GORSKI, M.D.: THE WORLDWIDE WANKER OF "WOO"
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:47:06 -0600
Message-ID: <omjp655e01fgqrbuo...@4ax.com>
[...]
Haven't read this piece, but wanted to add that David Gorski (who for
years hid behind "Orac" ... is a very active participant on Wikipedia,
the Healthfraud List, the Snake oil Vigilante Brigade ... while being
a recipient of money from the DOD. He has several pro-vacccination
industry blogs ... and haunted Usenet for years tho prefers arenas
where their is censorship in his favour.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/david-gorski-md.html
</quote>
A list of typical quotes of Ilena Rosenthal is irregularly posted.
4. ironjustice <teamt...@hotmail.com>
Repeats his nonsensic claims like a record disk with a crack.
5. "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
A list of typical quotes of Andrew B. Chung is irregularly posted.
Andrew B. Chung supports mass murder.
<quote>
From: "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <lov...@thetruth.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med.cardiology,alt.support.diabetes,misc.health.alternative,sci.med,alt.christnet.christianlife
Subject: Re: Daily Spirit-guided WDJW health tip for 08/10/09
Date: Mon, 10 Aug 2009 04:21:53 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <fa267b2a-e0e9-4dae...@j19g2000vbp.googlegroups.com>
Retiring people from existence in this world and taking them up to
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heaven is not murder :-)
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</quote>
"Leeerooy Jenkins" <j...@j.com> gave a description of Andrew B. Chung in
Message-ID: <Nu6dnb94loVIlujX...@giganews.com>
<quote>
Andrew Chung:
Is a frequent and proven liar (evidence archived forever on Google)
Has lost numerous NNTP accounts with supernews and others, has had many
Google accounts nuked, and his vanity domain heartmdphd.com is now
banned from setting up accounts. He is instead using multiple Google
sock accounts and email addresses in the format lo...@thetruth.com (#
being a number)
Is unemployed after being sacked with cause from his one and only job
after just over 80 days
Fled the state of Florida, and now claims to practice in Georgia despite
having no admission priveliges in the State's hospitals
Runs a phony foundation with a total declared income of circa $200, the
ownership and contact details of which are obfuscated on its website
Makes failed prophecies concerning earthquakes with areas and dates,
which don't happen (remember the bible quotes about false prophets)
Performed a public attempt at 'exorcising' a Malaysian sock on usenet,
then denied doing it. He has recently reversed position again and admits
to practicing exorcism by usenet, proving himself a liar in the process.
Promotes a dangerous diet, with a million dollar guarantee that he
demands thirty dollars to access details of. This despite being
unemployed. His soliciting and spamming for donations looks to be
similar to the Nigerian Advance Fee Fraud, where victims pay money
upfront in the hope of coming into riches but find they have merely
bought into a lie. Part of his advice is to pour nail polish remover onto
food.
Declares he has a cardiology practice despite posting night and day from
the same IP address (his home presumably) or a coffee shop internet cafe
Makes further false prophecies that we should now be all dying in a bird
flu pandemic. When these fail to happen, he does them all over again and
changes the dates. Nuclear war is another Chung spciality, which
naturally doesn't happen when he says it is going to.
Worships evil hatemonger Fred Phelps and will not denounce the acts of
Westboro's congregation. He even accuses someone with the name Phelps of
being Fred's son and refuses to accept he is completely wrong.
Uses the same patter as Pat Robertson, indicating his religious activity
is confined to watching cable TV. No evidence Chung has ever attended a
church.
Has a tendency to cyberstalk, particularly women. His wife fled some
time ago to another state, an act which Chung tries to pass off as "being
on vacation".
Frequently passes himself off as being qualified in areas such as
endocrinology, despite making incredibly fundamental blunders in his
'advice'. It is no wonder the Florida heart facility terminated him, and
has publicly denounced his version of events. Again archived on Google.
Don't forget the fake fast, where he didn't lose any weight, as well as
the infamous 666 stamping fiasco. His latest vile trick is spamming the
blogs of dying cancer patients and then crowing triumphantly when they
pass away.
</quote>
--
Purrformance:
Happy Oyster
>Bravo to Mike Adams for putting some humour behind a very serious
>issue!
> Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover
> http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
> Lots of important vaccination links ... please protect yourself &
>your loved ones. Educate yourself on the toxic ingredients in
>vaccines.
Today is sunday, and one more day the Net is under siege by the naturopathic
mafiosi...
Rule #1
2. [...]
Ilena Rose
Deckers is highjacking threads to change them to Vaccination Mafia
lies. This happens whenever they lose ... as they usually do ... such
as when his Handler, Stephen Barrett lost to me in the Supreme Court
of California.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm
Barrett is a snake-oil vigilante ... or Vaccination Mafia (to use the
German's phrase) ...
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Bravo to Mike Adams for putting some humour behind a very serious
issue!
Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Lots of important vaccination links ... please protect yourself &
your loved ones. Educate yourself on the toxic ingredients in
vaccines.
http://www.naturalnews.com/Dont_Inject_Me_The_Swine_Flu_Vaccine_Song.html
Ilena Rose
Happy Oyster
>Stephen Barrett's Vaccination Mafia Mouth German Defamer Aribert
>Deckers is highjacking threads to change them to Vaccination Mafia
>lies.
That is a lie. And it is funny how the sour grapes hang higher and higher for
Ilena Rosenthal.
Well, you see, Ilena Rosenthal has an agenda. And what she writes sounds like
the following. Is a bit of what she posted in usenet in july 2009.
It is Ilena Rosenthals's very own words.
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,sci.med.immunology,sci.med.nursing,talk.politics.medicine,uk.people.health
Subject: GORSKI, M.D.: THE WORLDWIDE WANKER OF "WOO"
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Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 15:47:06 -0600
Message-ID: <omjp655e01fgqrbuo...@4ax.com>
From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/DisinformationAgents.htm#David-Gorski
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm#David-Gorski
Haven't read this piece, but wanted to add that David Gorski (who for
years hid behind "Orac" ... is a very active participant on Wikipedia,
the Healthfraud List, the Snake oil Vigilante Brigade ... while being
a recipient of money from the DOD. He has several pro-vacccination
industry blogs ... and haunted Usenet for years tho prefers arenas
where their is censorship in his favour.
http://www.ageofautism.com/2008/05/david-gorski-md.html
Thanks for posting this John.
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.support.breast-implant,misc.kids.health,misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: Do Not Take A Swine Flu Vaccine! From Patricia Doyle, PhD
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 08:37:00 -0600
Message-ID: <uob665lk3j6glgl08...@4ax.com>
Aribert Deckers (the coward behind the Oyster Moniker) is just another
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Healthfraud who appears to have been tagged to 'work' newsgroups at
this time. I read his blatherings on the Healthfraud List of my failed
and disgraced nemesis, Stephen Barrettt ... loser in Barrett Vs
Rosenthal.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettvsRosenthal.htm
Deckers joins Barrett in attacking professionals ... while Barrett
himself failed his psychiatric boards!
Aribert has been added to augment the 'work' of disbarred and
disgraced former attorney and Snake-oil Vaccination Pusher ... Mark S
Probert.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/propagandistprobert.html
He was bombing usenet like Deckers is doing now ... sashaying as
"Rosenthal Researcher" or any of his many aliases he got busted for.
Aribert ... ask your mentor Barrett how it went for his snake-oil team
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harassing and suing and lying about me went for him?
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
aus.politics,sci.med,misc.health.alternative,sci.med.diseases.cancer,misc.kids.health
Subject: Swine flu alert clears old stock of Tamiflu ... Great for Rumsfield's
pocketbook
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:16:21 -0600
Message-ID: <5jh6655472r5642qb...@4ax.com>
Dedicated to the Vaccination Propagandists on the net ... many clumped
together as the Rag-tag Posse of Snake-oil Vigilantes ... the snake
oil they sell & hype being the many many billion dollar biz of pushing
vacs and suing & harassing those of us who warn the public of the
dangers.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Their latest flack working usenet is Aribert Deckers ... not listed on
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their original group but following the steps of disbarred attorney,
Mark S Probert.
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
talk.politics.medicine,sci.environment,misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health
Subject: Videos - Child Drugging - Too many kids on meds because of
unscrupulous psychiatrists
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 10:18:45 -0600
Message-ID: <hqh6651pea5g23co6...@4ax.com>
Note from Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm
Since being SLAPP sued by pseudo science writer, Stephen Barrett, who
advertises his occupation as 'psychiatrist' (although he was never
able to pass the board certification) I've been very aware of the
antics of this particular group of MD's.
I find them to oft be rightening control junkies who use their
intellect and education to cause much much much harm and little good.
Barrett is a vaccination / chemical industy mouth who has made a long
career out of attacking activists and scientists who would harm these
industries ... via harassment lawsuits, screaming to government
officials at all levels, and a online team used to attack us.
The list is here.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Recently augmented by Deutcher Aribert Deckers
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</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Important Repost: Merck Slapped With Warning Letter for Vaccine
Operations ... Drugs used for Vaccines Adulterated
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:01:27 -0600
Message-ID: <7s5765hpvuva180g9...@4ax.com>
From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Unfortunately, the Merck shills are everywhere on the internet ... and
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this information oft gets buried by their distraction and scare
tactics.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/QuackWatchWatch.htm
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm
Now augmented by German Aribert the Coward Deckers aka Oyster
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[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
Subject: The Operations of Quacks: How Barrett Tried to Infiltrate those
Exposing Dangers of Fluoride
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:43 -0600
Message-ID: <a367659os9ffciikt...@4ax.com>
From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm
EXCERPT:
http://web.archive.org/web/20040812090049/http://www.rvi.net/~fluoride/000070.htm
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http://www.fluoride-history.de
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,alt.support.attn-deficit,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 19:52:31 -0600
Message-ID: <b3j765hp5596dqa3n...@4ax.com>
MESSAGE TO ARIBERT 'HAPPY OYSTER' DECKERS / STEPHEN BARRETT / MARK
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PROBERT & OTHER RAG-TAG POSSE MEMBERS:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm:
The tactic of highjacking theads such as your team has done for years,
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is always when you are again losing control and attempt to bully your
wrong viewpoint. Changing the subject line to push your disinformation
is desperation and bullying of losers.
As I wrote when Deckers of the Healthfrauds interrupted ...
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,alt.support.attn-deficit,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Tamiflu Vaccine Linked With Convulsions, Delirium and Bizarre Deaths
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2009 08:39:17 -0600
Message-ID: <gc0965pq64bf8d58b...@4ax.com>
MESSAGE TO ARIBERT 'HAPPY OYSTER' DECKERS / STEPHEN BARRETT / MARK
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PROBERT & OTHER RAG-TAG POSSE MEMBERS:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/snake-oil.htm:
The tactic of highjacking theads such as your team has done for years,
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is always when you are again losing control and attempt to bully your
wrong viewpoint. Changing the subject line to push your disinformation
is desperation and bullying of losers.
As I wrote when Deckers of the Healthfrauds interrupted ...
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/polevoy.htm
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/nanaweedkiller.htm#Dalefield
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/BarrettVsRosenthal.htm
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: Re: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2009 20:25:40 -0600
Message-ID: <fptc655ugtc5p97s3...@4ax.com>
Disbarred former attorney Mark S Probert queries:
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/propagandistprobert.htm
WHAT OLD TRICKS? Do not believe everything you read.
Ms. Rosenthal conveniently omits the fact that she emailed several
wives of men who she hates because we refuted many of her claim
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Old tricks:
Using multiple fake identities ... when caught lying about them.
Attempting to infiltrate my private email group for women harmed by
breast implants.
When your disbarment was uncovered ... you lied and attacked more. How
interesting that Aribert Deckers is defending you.
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As far as writing "several wives" ... after Andrew Langer of the
Snake-oil Vigilantes harassed me for years and organized campaigns
against me ... I wrote his wife.
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[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
alt.support.breast-implant,talk.politics.medicine,misc.health.alternative,sci.environment
Subject: Re: Ilena Rosenthal: The Silicone Cover-Up and Political
Manipulations .
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 12:35:10 -0600
Message-ID: <u68p65lbdmpgn5gqo...@4ax.com>
[...]
Currently, Germany spammer Aribert the Rotten Oyster Deckers and
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several new aliases have continued the harassment of Probert & Polevoy
and others listed on this losing team.
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/barrettvsrosenthal.htm
One of their loser strategies is to highjack threads to bully the
threads... tactics of losers.
[....]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: The Ministry of Truth ... Snake-oil Posse Members on Parade
[...]
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
sci.med,misc.health.alternative,uk.people.health,talk.politics.medicine
Subject: WARNING: Industry is Blogging these NewsGroups to Impact the Public
Discourse on Matters of Public Health
www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/polevoy.htm
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/nanaweedkiller.htm#Dalefield
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups: misc.kids.health,talk.politics.medicine,misc.health.alternative
Subject: Mother is right to be concerned about Gardasil
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2009 16:08:53 -0600
Message-ID: <8ukp65hjqlssretqm...@4ax.com>
Stephen Barrett's Healthfraud Buddy Aribert "Rotten Oyster" is
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highjacking threads and admitting that he is a loser like his mentors,
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Barrett and disbarred attorney who uses the same tactics, Mark S
probert.
[...]
</quote>
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
a Cola-warning
could
save
your
keyboard...
<quote>
From: Ilena Rose <B...@mundo.com>
Newsgroups:
misc.health.alternative,talk.politics.medicine,misc.kids.health,alt.support.breast-implant,sci.med.dentistry
Subject: The Operations of Quacks: How Barrett Tried to Infiltrate those
Exposing Dangers of Fluoride
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2009 16:05:43 -0600
Message-ID: <a367659os9ffciikt...@4ax.com>
>From Health Lover, Ilena Rosenthal:
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Dedicated to Quackwatch Cheerleader, German Aribert "oyster" Deckers ...
who has now brought the Quackwatch agenda to Usenet to fill with their
disinformation.
http://www.BreastImplantAwareness.org/Snake-oil.htm
EXCERPT:
</quote>
Have a nice week!
Aribert Deckers
<***/QUOTE***>
"Wanker", "Idiot", "Coward" ... that is the language of Ilena Rosenthal.
And now she whines about sour grapes...
--
Purrformance:
Ilena Rose
Deckers is highjacking threads to change them to Vaccination Mafia
Happy Oyster
>Stephen Barrett's Vaccination Mafia Mouth German Defamer Aribert
>Deckers is highjacking threads to change them to Vaccination Mafia
>lies. This happens whenever they lose ... as they usually do ... such
>as when his Handler, Stephen Barrett lost to me in the Supreme Court
>of California.
Today is sunday, and one more day the Net is under siege by the naturopathic
mafiosi...
http://www.ariplex.com/ama/ama_amp.htm
Fact is:
HgJ2
Leber, gallenblase, Darm, Bindegewebe.
Die wichtigsten Charakteristika sind:
Gebr�uchliche Tabletten : D4
Auch bei Ihnen?
Aribert Deckers
--
"Toll auch der Trick mit dem Eisen,
um Gottes Macht zu beweisen.
Beileisen lie� Gott nun schwimmen,
um neue Fans zu gewinnen." http://www.reimbibel.de
Jan Drew
issue!
Ilena Rosenthal, Health Lover
http://ilenarose.blogspot.com
Lots of important vaccination links ... please protect yourself &
your loved ones. Educate yourself on the toxic ingredients in
vaccines.
http://www.naturalnews.com/Dont_Inject_Me_The_Swine_Flu_Vaccine_Song....
Mark Probert
> Bravo to Mike Adams
You seem to like criminals, child molesters and ghouls who play on the
deaths of celebrities.
Jan Drew
Dom't know any. It was you who lied.
Mark Probert
Surely you do. You support Mikey Adams at HealthstRanger.
You support Michael Jackson, a child molestor.
You helped a violent prisoner get out of jail early.