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Suzanne Dallapè

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I am going to go to a concert this coming Saturday, and 2-month-old Ewan
just cannot take a bottle. We tried with me holding him, with Jerry holding
him, with water instead of milk, with cold milk instead of warm, and nothing
is happening. Part of it is that he gets pissed when he can't get it from
the source, but even when he is receptive to it and makes a nice effort, he
simply is no good at it. He only gets the few drops that come out
naturally; he can't suck enough to get any milk to come out.
Any suggestions? We tried the cup and spoon too; no luck. Should I
try making the nipple hole larger? Are there cup-feeding techniques that we
might have overlooked? The concert ticket is non-refundable. Help!
--S.

snowb...@my-deja.com

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In article <6_EN5.26084$Pw6.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

"Suzanne Dallapè" <kar...@smugglersalliance.org> wrote:
> I am going to go to a concert this coming Saturday, and 2-month-old
Ewan
> just cannot take a bottle.
> Any suggestions? We tried the cup and spoon too; no luck.
Should I
> try making the nipple hole larger? Are there cup-feeding techniques
that we
> might have overlooked?

What kind of bottle nipple and what kind of cup have you tried?

Sydney


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Beth Kevles

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Try the Gerber NUK nipples with the VENT holes. Most nipples require
that the baby break the latch in order to get the second suck out.
(Otherwise a vacuum builds up in the bottle.) The vented nipples don't
require that. ANd bf'd babies don't learn to break the latch, of
course. (I don't think the particular bottle makes any difference.)

--Beth Kevles
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http://web.mit.edu/kevles/www/nomilk.html -- a page for the milk-allergic
Disclaimer: Nothing in this message should be construed as medical
advice. Please consult with your own medical practicioner.

Heather

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My little one who is now a year old went through this. She just refused
all the dfferent kinds of bottles, cups ect. She was 9 months old
before she would touch a bottle and that was because I went to work part
time and hubby fed her my breastmilk. She took a bottle for about 6
weeks and then once again started rufusing it. I ended up having to
quit my job. There are just some sacrafices us moms have to take!!!
Best Wishes, Heather


Jeannie

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Nov 6, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/6/00
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Larry's idea is a good one. Along with the medicine dropper, how about
finger feeding? Use one hand to stick a finger into baby's mouth, and use
the other hand to drip milk in via the corner of the mouth. Yes, it will
take a long time :).

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"Larry McMahan" <mcm...@lucy.cup.hp.com> wrote in message
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>Medecine dropper, medecine dropper, medecine dropper. It is pretty slow.
>Two oz takes about half an hour, but it does not require a lot of
>cooperation, it is the real stuff, and it will nourish the baby until
>mama gets back.

Larry McMahan

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Nov 6, 2000, 9:05:32 PM11/6/00
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In misc.kids.breastfeeding "Suzanne Dallapè" <kar...@smugglersalliance.org> wrote:
: I am going to go to a concert this coming Saturday, and 2-month-old Ewan
: just cannot take a bottle. We tried with me holding him, with Jerry holding

: him, with water instead of milk, with cold milk instead of warm, and nothing
: is happening. Part of it is that he gets pissed when he can't get it from
: the source, but even when he is receptive to it and makes a nice effort, he
: simply is no good at it. He only gets the few drops that come out
: naturally; he can't suck enough to get any milk to come out.
: Any suggestions? We tried the cup and spoon too; no luck. Should I

: try making the nipple hole larger? Are there cup-feeding techniques that we
: might have overlooked? The concert ticket is non-refundable. Help!
: --S.

Medecine dropper, medecine dropper, medecine dropper. It is pretty slow.


Two oz takes about half an hour, but it does not require a lot of
cooperation, it is the real stuff, and it will nourish the baby until
mama gets back.

If you do it often enough, the baby will actually learn to accept it.

Good luck,
Larry

snowb...@my-deja.com

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Nov 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/7/00
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In article <16086-3A...@storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net>,

Fine that you don't have to work if you don't want to, but seems
like a 9 month old would be able to drink from a cup (or just wait
for mommy and eat solids/drink water while she's gone).

Bev Brandt

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In article <6_EN5.26084$Pw6.1...@newsread1.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,
"Suzanne Dallapè" <kar...@smugglersalliance.org> wrote:
> Any suggestions? We tried the cup and spoon too; no luck.
Should I
> try making the nipple hole larger? Are there cup-feeding techniques
that we
> might have overlooked? The concert ticket is non-refundable. Help!
> --S.
>
>

This may seem like a silly question, but did you leave the room when
your husband gave the bottle/cup/whatever? Really. Jarrod knows when
I'm in the room, he knew even before he could see well. I think he just
sensed it or heard me or something.

My husband says that as soon as I walk in the room, Jarrod will change
his posture - either stiffen or start to kick. And I don't care *how*
hungry he is, if I'm in the room he won't even look at a bottle! In
fact, if he's hungry and I'm around but not feeding him, he tends to
get pretty agitated.

Go hide, mom! Just another thing to try.

--
Beverly Brandt
http://bevbrandt.home.mindspring.com/

M. Shroyer

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Nov 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/7/00
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Can you take him along? He might sleep or nurse through it all... :-)

Have you tried a shot glass? Medicine dropper? Syringe?

MJ

Suzanne Dallapè

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<snowb...@my-deja.com> wrote in message

> What kind of bottle nipple and what kind of cup have you tried?

Gerber nipple with one small hole. Small plastic cup, like a sippy cup
without the sippy.
--S.


Suzanne Dallapè

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"Larry McMahan" <mcm...@lucy.cup.hp.com> wrote in message Medecine dropper,
medecine dropper, medecine dropper.

We are going to try that today. Wish us luck!
--S.

Suzanne Dallapè

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"Bev Brandt" <bbr...@my-deja.com> wrote in message

> This may seem like a silly question, but did you leave the room when
> your husband gave the bottle/cup/whatever?

Yeah, I have done the disappearing act. The problem isn't so much refusing
it from me as it is that he doesn't know how to work a bottle nipple to get
the stuff to come out.
--S.

Suzanne Dallapè

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"M. Shroyer" <msh...@emory.edu> wrote in message
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> Can you take him along? He might sleep or nurse through it all... :-)

Nope. Babes-in-arms are not permitted at the Masterworks concerts. (And
before anyone gets huffy about that [not you necessarily, but someone
usually jumps in here], let me say that the Utah Symphony has a great kids'
program--in fact, I took both boys to a concert last month--so they feel
justified in not allowing little tykes to the $45 concerts!)

> Have you tried a shot glass? Medicine dropper? Syringe?

Kinda, no, no. We will try the medicine dropper today. (Fingers crossed)
--S.

Lauren

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Nov 7, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/7/00
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Have you tried a tiny medicine cup ?? You'd only feed a few ml at a
time, but that is how Cassie fed for her first month !!

Lauren
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Ross Clement

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Nov 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/8/00
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Bev Brandt (bbr...@my-deja.com) wrote:
: This may seem like a silly question, but did you leave the room when
: your husband gave the bottle/cup/whatever? Really. Jarrod knows when

: I'm in the room, he knew even before he could see well. I think he just
: sensed it or heard me or something.
:
: My husband says that as soon as I walk in the room, Jarrod will change
: his posture - either stiffen or start to kick. And I don't care *how*
: hungry he is, if I'm in the room he won't even look at a bottle! In
: fact, if he's hungry and I'm around but not feeding him, he tends to
: get pretty agitated.
:
: Go hide, mom! Just another thing to try.

My baby is older than yours, but the leaving the room thing is really
important for us. If my baby knows that his mother is around, then he
wriggles and reaches for her. But, if I'm the only one around, and his
mother hasn't been seen for a bit, he's perfectly happy to stay with
me. We explicitly do the "go hide, mom!" bit.

Cheers,

Ross-c

Kavvy

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Nov 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/8/00
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I had a similar problem with Hunter. He was older though. We went with a
disposable Playtex bottle system and squeezed the bag to get the milk out.
He mostly chewed on the nipple but would swallow the milk slowly but surely.
Not a lot but a few ounces. We used the sippy cup type nipple at first
because it held its shape when we squeezed the milk through. The regular
nipples popped way out - we did switch to those as he slowly got the hang of
it.

Good luck,

Nikki

Suzanne Dallapč wrote in message
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>I am going to go to a concert this coming Saturday, and 2-month-old Ewan
>just cannot take a bottle. We tried with me holding him, with Jerry
holding
>him, with water instead of milk, with cold milk instead of warm, and
nothing
>is happening. Part of it is that he gets pissed when he can't get it from
>the source, but even when he is receptive to it and makes a nice effort, he
>simply is no good at it. He only gets the few drops that come out
>naturally; he can't suck enough to get any milk to come out.

Bev Brandt

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Nov 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/8/00
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In article <95_N5.1022$qr.6...@newsread2.prod.itd.earthlink.net>,

"Suzanne Dallapè" <kar...@smugglersalliance.org> wrote:
>
> "Bev Brandt" <bbr...@my-deja.com> wrote in message
> > This may seem like a silly question, but did you leave the room when
> > your husband gave the bottle/cup/whatever?
>
> Yeah, I have done the disappearing act. The problem isn't so much
refusing
> it from me as it is that he doesn't know how to work a bottle nipple
to get
> the stuff to come out.
> --S.
>

I guess another question is, how long is the concert? I had a class on
Monday nights (glass bead-making using an oxygen/propane torch...not
exactly baby-friendly!) that was two hours long. The first class was
the day before Jarrod's 2-week "birthday." By the time I got there and
got home, I was gone 3 hours. Though Jarrod took a bottle sorta okay at
the time - mainly chewing the nipple and getting a few drops at a time
- I figured I was only gone those 3 hours and that dad was good at
holding and comforting, if not feeding and that Jarrod wouldn't starve
for food. Even after Jarrod got good at bottlefeeding, it didn't
matter. He could gulp down 8 ounces of EBM while I was gone and *still*
want mommy when I got home. Actually made me feel pretty good. :)

Though most concerts I've been to have been a bit longer, not to
mention transportation time.

I hope you get things worked out so you can have a good time.

Beth Kevles

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Nov 8, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/8/00
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Hi -

I think my last post may have gotten lost.

If your baby is having trouble sucking mnore than a tiny bit, try a
*vented* nipple, such as the Gerber NUK nipples with the vents in them.

Without a vent in the nipple (a vent is a second hole) the baby will
have to break his latch in order to continue getting milk from the
bottle. With a vent, vaccuum doesn't build up, so the milk can continue
to flow easily.

The NUK nipple is also wide, so your baby can keep his mouth in pretty
much the same wide open position as when nursing from the breast.

I hope this helps,

Suzanne Dallapè

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Thanks for your suggestions. I tried a medicine dropper, and that seemed to
work better than the bottle. I also found a nipple that had a larger
opening, and that worked pretty well too--he still isn't very good at
sucking, but the larger hole enabled him to get a steady drip of milk which
he swallowed without trouble or complaint. I now think that Ewan will be
able to get some milk inside of him while I am gone! I may get one of the
special nipples a few of you suggested, just in case, but I think we may
have found a couple of working options. Thanks.
--S.

Larry McMahan

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Nov 9, 2000, 8:49:18 PM11/9/00
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In misc.kids.breastfeeding "Suzanne Dallapè" <kar...@smugglersalliance.org> wrote:

: I am going to go to a concert this coming Saturday, and 2-month-old Ewan


: just cannot take a bottle.

You owe us an update on Monday!

:-)
Larry

Suzanne Dallapè

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Nov 12, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/12/00
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Well, the concert came and went, and it was lovely (a program featuring all
Copland--one of my favorites--and conducted by Keith Lockhart no less). I
put Ewan into Jerry's care and didn't think about him the whole evening!
Anyway, Ewan fussed a couple of times, and Jer tried to feed him with a
bottle and a medicine dropper, but he wouldn't take either. He was able to
be calmed down each time he fussed. When I got home (I was gone for about 3
1/2 hours), he nursed like a fiend, pooped enough to mess his pajamas,
nursed again, and went to sleep! I guess he was smart enough to hold out
for the real deal, and luckily he wasn't uncomfortable enough to freak out
about not being able to nurse. I'm pretty happy things went well, but I do
feel bad about all the pumped milk that will not get drunk...
--S.

Alison Tooth

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Nov 13, 2000, 3:00:00 AM11/13/00
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"Suzanne Dallapč" wrote:
>
> Well, the concert came and went, and it was lovely (a program featuring all
> Copland--one of my favorites--and conducted by Keith Lockhart no less). I
> put Ewan into Jerry's care and didn't think about him the whole evening!
> Anyway, Ewan fussed a couple of times, and Jer tried to feed him with a
> bottle and a medicine dropper, but he wouldn't take either. He was able to
> be calmed down each time he fussed.

Glad it went well, and you enjoyed yourself!

> but I do
> feel bad about all the pumped milk that will not get drunk...

Hey, if Jerry can drink formula, I'm sure you can do something with your
EBM!

Alison

Naomi Lynne Pardue

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In alt.support.breastfeeding Suzanne Dallapè <kar...@smugglersalliance.org> wrote:
> Well, the concert came and went, and it was lovely (a program featuring all
> Copland--one of my favorites--and conducted by Keith Lockhart no less). I
> put Ewan into Jerry's care and didn't think about him the whole evening!
> Anyway, Ewan fussed a couple of times, and Jer tried to feed him with a
> bottle and a medicine dropper, but he wouldn't take either. He was able to
> be calmed down each time he fussed. When I got home (I was gone for about 3
> 1/2 hours), he nursed like a fiend, pooped enough to mess his pajamas,
> nursed again, and went to sleep! I guess he was smart enough to hold out
> for the real deal, and luckily he wasn't uncomfortable enough to freak out
> about not being able to nurse.


Sure. No baby ever starved to death in 3 1/2 hours.

I'm pretty happy things went well, but I do


> feel bad about all the pumped milk that will not get drunk...

So save it (freeze it) for when you start him on solids. You can mix it
with all sorts of things.

Naomi


Suzanne Dallapè

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"Alison Tooth" <ali...@theportico.co.uk> wrote in message

> Hey, if Jerry can drink formula, I'm sure you can do something with your
> EBM!

You know what, we ran out of cow's milk the other day, and I considered
thawing the EM to pour on my cereal. But I was afraid of the freezer burn.
(Yeah, I'm a GREAT mother--I'll let my baby drink frostbitten milk, but I
won't myself!)
--S.
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