Favt vs. Illness
marily...@ibm.net
missed 45 days of work, so fat=unhealthy. It got me to thinking--how many are
fat because they were unhealthy (and not the other way around??) Example:
I was a premie baby, force fed to gain weight. I had repeated bouts of
pneumonia and bronchitis as a child; tonsil surgery; constant colds. This was
all BEFORE I was fat. I had a joint disease in my knees--BEFORE I was fat. I
developed asthma in my late 20's (not unusual, but more serious than
childhood asthma. NOT attributable to fat). I still have a tendency towards
asthamatic bronchitis.
Once the weight started coming on, gym class became SO emotionally painful (in
addition to physical pain from my knee disease) that I would do anything to
avoid it.
This year, I have had asthmatic bronchitis, cracked a molar (and had
subsequent dental work/surgery), and had a kidney infection that landed me in
the ER twice. And shall we talk about my destroyed left ankle joint (again, a
pre-fat injury). How many people do I know (lots) that assume my illnesses
are fat related, when in reality, being ill has made me more inactive which
b leads to fat (as opposed to vice versa?) I too have missed work. But fat is
NOT the reason why.
It's the chicken and egg theory, except in this case, it is def. Egg first for
me. It is depressing, tho, to be lumped as some sort of fat=ill statistic
when in reality, its the opposite.
marilyn at ibm dot net
marilyn at yahoo dot com
(for those who are not spam aware -- translate the above into an address--this was done to avoid being contaminated by spambots)
11/28/1998 16:07:56
Fiona Webster
> Some troll made a snotty comment in another thread about how this fat woman
> missed 45 days of work, so fat=unhealthy. It got me to thinking--how many are
> fat because they were unhealthy (and not the other way around??)
That's me. I'm fat because I had multiple severe depressions: I was
slightly chubby before, but I was always fit and energetic. The
depressions drained my energy and my interest in exercising, decreased
my metabolic rate, and entail longterm use of medications that increase
appetite. I gained weight as a result.
--Fiona
Mary Block
> Some troll made a snotty comment in another thread about how this fat woman
> missed 45 days of work, so fat=unhealthy. It got me to thinking--how many are
> fat because they were unhealthy (and not the other way around??) Example:
>
Same here. I developed chronic acute adult-onset asthma at age 19 when I was thin. I also had scoliosis of the spine as a teen and
later developed degenerative disc disease. These made exercise nearly impossible for many years. After multiple pregnancies (2 went
to term, others miscarried), my metabolism slowed to practically nothing. (Each pregnancy a woman has, whether it is carried to term
or not, slows down her metabolism). I gained weight *after* all these things occurred. My asthma is severe, and my degenerative disc
disease is also severe. I do exercise, but I am in constant pain. There will come a day (hopefully far in the future) when I will
need surgery, and may end up in a wheel chair. But since these are illnesses that people can't readily *see*, people just assume I
got fat by being lazy. In reality, I probably do more than I should, given my health.
It pisses me off when people tell me that if I lost weight all my medical problems would miraculously disappear. If that was the
case, how come I developed these problems when I weighed 125#?!?
Mary Block
ICQ# 2101760
Parakeet
That said I have to say whenever I lose some weight I feel better, have more
energy, get sick less and feel better about myself. We are what we are but
there is a connection between diet - exercise and health. To deny this and
blame the health issues on depression, social issues and other variables is
just caving in to a cycle. This is a support news group and I come here to
get support on fat issues that affect me daily but I do not want to be
supported by saying it's okay not to exercise or it's okay to be sick
because that's the way it is.
"
--
"I like having low self-esteem. It makes me feel special."--jane lane
Fiona Webster <f...@oceanstar.com> wrote in message
news:MPG.10cb48c8...@news.smart.net...
>marilyn writes:
>> Some troll made a snotty comment in another thread about how this fat
woman
>> missed 45 days of work, so fat=unhealthy. It got me to thinking--how many
are
>> fat because they were unhealthy (and not the other way around??)
>
Chris
a set time that I will, say, go for a walk, but I keep busy and I walk to
most of the places I go. In addition, I am a clown and walk in many parades.
I also eat healthy foods (Weight Watchers has some of my favourite
recipies...) and I don't eat that much. I really gained weight when I was
taking Zoloft, an anti-depressant, a few years ago. I was on it for a year
and a half to two years and I must have gained about 30 lbs then.
Christine
Fiona Webster wrote in message ...
Cheryl Martin
>Let me first say I am overweight, I am also on Zoloft for depression.
>That said I have to say whenever I lose some weight I feel better, have more
>energy, get sick less and feel better about myself. We are what we are but
>there is a connection between diet - exercise and health. To deny this and
>blame the health issues on depression, social issues and other variables is
>just caving in to a cycle. This is a support news group and I come here to
>get support on fat issues that affect me daily but I do not want to be
>supported by saying it's okay not to exercise or it's okay to be sick
>because that's the way it is.
I've not seen *anyone* on this newsgroup say it was okay to not
exercise. I have seen lots and lots of posts extolling the virtues of
eating healthy and exercising. The emphasis is on being healthy and
not on weight. These are two different issues and this thread is
about the weight part and whether illness came first or weight.
Anyways, the reason you felt better is probably more related to
getting exercise than losing weight (the weight loss being a side
affect of your increased activity). I think you'd find that with
continued exercise and healthy eating, you would reach a stable weight
(and it varies from person to person....for me it was around 240lbs).
Cheryl
(who hopes to get back to her exercise routine now that the knee is
better....knee injury *not* related to weight!)
--
% zof...@deepthot.ml.org Cheryl Martin, grumpy witch %
% "Danger's like jello, there's always room for a little more" %
% Tex Murphy %
% http://www.geocities.com/~ayofolashade %
Parakeet
my humble opinion seem to be a reluctantance to admit that weighing less
accomplishes 2 things. 1. Your body works less at simple things like
circulating your blood and getting oxygen to your brain. 2. There is less
stress on joints and less likelihood for injury. I am overweight and
rather than accept that I am destined to be that way and risk health
problems because of it (I was just diagnosed with diabetes that is proven to
be weight related) I want to be getting to a more healthy weight. The
support to do that is lacking in this group. I find the opinion that "I can
be overweight with no health risks and weight has nothing to do with my
health" to be very dangerous support. A stable weight for you might be 240
Lbs. but that is not a healthy weight. Your heart is working too hard, you
are putting undue stress on your knees and ankles and risking diabetes and
other circulation problems. But if you are happy that is at least one thing
that is a great positive. I want to be in a position to be more healthy
and give my body a chance to work better, Like it or not weight DOES play a
part in that. I am FAT, have been for allot of my life but I will not let
anyone support that by saying its okay I am destined to be fat. ONE CANNOT
SAY THE EMPASIS IS ON HEALTH AND NOT INCLUDE WEIGHT, that is being blind to
common sense.
--
"I like having low self-esteem. It makes me feel special."--jane lane
Cheryl Martin .
Terri Williams
and if you don't have the gene, then you will not get it, regardless of how fat
you are. (Not to say you won't have any other problems, but the statement was
about diabetes.)
> snip
Parakeet
will tell you it is weight related. If you don't know about someting maybe
you should not speak before you know.
--
"I like having low self-esteem. It makes me feel special."--jane lane
Terri Williams <ter...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
news:3661E54C...@frontiernet.net...
Parakeet
you are happy that is fine. When you post to newsgroups you are opening
your thoughts to review by others who then post their opinions. If that is
upsetting to you maybe this is not a good activity for you. I was
responding to a reply to my post. I hope you don't continue to take things
so personally. Usenet is an open forum to exchange ideas. Everyone's will
not match yours! Remember I have been overweight all my life and I am now
42, my thoughts are based on many things one being experience Have a nice
week and try to be happy :)
--
"I like having low self-esteem. It makes me feel special."--jane lane
Cheryl Martin <zof...@deepthot.ml.org> wrote in message
news:73ssvc$7p1$1...@dent.deepthot.ml.org...
>According to Parakeet <dri...@briefcase.com>:
>
>>A stable weight for you might be 240 Lbs. but that is not a healthy
>>weight. Your heart is working too hard, you are putting undue stress
>>on your knees and ankles and risking diabetes and other circulation
>>problems.
>
>I don't recall you being my doctor. My heart is fine and healthy. My
>knees and ankles are fine. Diabetes runs in my family (my mother and
>an older brother both had it). I don't have any circulation problems.
>
>Don't presume you can know anything about me and my health from a
>number on the screen.
>
>Cheryl
Dee
<dri...@briefcase.com> wrote:
>I am FAT, have been for allot of my life but I will not let
> anyone support that by saying its okay I am destined to be fat. ONE CANNOT
> SAY THE EMPASIS IS ON HEALTH AND NOT INCLUDE WEIGHT, that is being blind to
> common sense.
If you say that's the case for you, then I believe you, and good luck.
But some of us are healthier than the average person our age: no problems
with blood pressure or cholesterol, lots of energy, and a a healthy immune
system. We have no reason to believe that our weight is having a negitive
effect on our health, and every reason to believe that weight cycling
(which seems to be the usual effect of dieting) will screw up our bodies.
So you do what you think you have to, and I'll keep on exercising and
eating a balanced diet.
Have fun!
p.s. I've been doing mixed impact aerobics for 7 years, and my joints are
fine, thank you very much!
Cheryl Martin
ShanOD
develop diabetes as adults, the simplest answer being that the pancreas is not
functioning as effeciently as it needs to in order to regulate the blood
sugars. There are some excellent websites where you can information about
diabetes, one of the best is: http://www.mendosa.com/diabetes.htm
Shannon
marilyn
(altho low in calories). Many of them are disproportionately high in fat and
sodium.
K. Parsons
diabetes. It most often happens in young children, or after an accident
or illness that damages the pancreas, and the body produces no insulin on
its own. It also happens occasionally in other adults for reasons that
are not understood, although I think eventually it will be blamed on
auto-immune problems.
Type II is called "non-insulin dependent" although type IIs might use
injected insulin as part of their treatment. You cannot develop type II
unless you have the gene for it, regardless of what you weigh and what you
eat. Some believe that higher weights can trigger the genetic tendency
(which is insulin resistance - the insulin does not function as well as it
should to remove sugar from bloodstream), other triggers include illness,
stress, pregnancy, etc.; while others believe that obesity may actually be
a symptom of undiagnosed insulin resistance.
So, Bird, it is you who doesn't know a hell of a lot. Why don't you
checks out The Joslin Diabetes Manual or some other current guide to the
disease? If you have a doctor who told you you have diabetes solely
because you are fat, you need a new doctor, who is up on the current
research. If any doctor did tell you that, mind you.
Parsnips
In article <73t59m$kaq$1...@winter.news.rcn.net>, "Parakeet"
<dri...@briefcase.com> wrote:
> There are two kinds. Mine is adult onset which if you talk to a DR. they
> will tell you it is weight related. If you don't know about someting maybe
> you should not speak before you know.
>
> --
> "I like having low self-esteem. It makes me feel special."--jane lane
> Terri Williams <ter...@frontiernet.net> wrote in message
> news:3661E54C...@frontiernet.net...
> >If diabetes is weight related, then why do thin people get it? It is
> genetic,
> >and if you don't have the gene, then you will not get it, regardless of how
> fat
> >you are. (Not to say you won't have any other problems, but the statement
> was
> >about diabetes.)
> >
> >
> >> snip
> >> rather than accept that I am destined to be that way and risk health
> >> problems because of it (I was just diagnosed with diabetes that is proven
> to
> >> be weight related) I want to be getting to a more healthy weight. The
> >> support to do that is lacking in this group. I find the opinion that "I
> can
> >> be overweight with no health risks and weight has nothing to do with my
> >> health" to be very dangerous support. A stable weight for you might be
> 240
> >> Lbs. but that is not a healthy weight. Your heart is working too hard,
> you
> >> are putting undue stress on your knees and ankles and risking diabetes
> and
> >> other circulation problems. But if you are happy that is at least one
> thing
> >> that is a great positive. I want to be in a position to be more healthy
> >> and give my body a chance to work better, Like it or not weight DOES play
> a
> >> part in that. I am FAT, have been for allot of my life but I will not
> let
> >> anyone support that by saying its okay I am destined to be fat. ONE
> CANNOT
> >> SAY THE EMPASIS IS ON HEALTH AND NOT INCLUDE WEIGHT, that is being blind
> to
> >> common sense.
> >>
> >> --
> >> "I like having low self-esteem. It makes me feel special."--jane lane
> >> Cheryl Martin .
> >> >
> >> >I've not seen *anyone* on this newsgroup say it was okay to not
> >> >exercise. I have seen lots and lots of posts extolling the virtues of
> >> >eating healthy and exercising. The emphasis is on being healthy and
> >> >not on weight. These are two different issues and this thread is
> >> >about the weight part and whether illness came first or weight.
> >> >
> >> >Anyways, the reason you felt better is probably more related to
> >> >getting exercise than losing weight (the weight loss being a side
> >> >affect of your increased activity). I think you'd find that with
> >> >continued exercise and healthy eating, you would reach a stable weight
> >> >(and it varies from person to person....for me it was around 240lbs).
> >> >
> >> >Cheryl
> >> >(who hopes to get back to her exercise routine now that the knee is
> >> >better....knee injury *not* related to weight!)
> >> >
> >> >
Photo R&D
Parakeet wrote in message <73t59m$kaq$1...@winter.news.rcn.net>...
>There are two kinds. Mine is adult onset which if you talk to a DR. they
>will tell you it is weight related. If you don't know about someting maybe
>you should not speak before you know.
cancer. All of them had adult onset diabetes. All of them were lifelong thin
women. Tell this to your doctor.
Nancy Lebovitz
Cheryl Martin <zof...@deepthot.ml.org> wrote:
>
>I've not seen *anyone* on this newsgroup say it was okay to not
>exercise. I have seen lots and lots of posts extolling the virtues of
>eating healthy and exercising. The emphasis is on being healthy and
>not on weight. These are two different issues and this thread is
>about the weight part and whether illness came first or weight.
>
she had very little energy, and exercise just made her more tired.
She had a good job in some technical field, and a pretty good life.
Maybe she was doing exercise wrong, but maybe it really wasn't doing
her any good.
I can easily believe both that exercise is good for most people, and
that it just drains a few who have unforgiving metabolisms.
In general, I recommend paying attention to your own quality of life
as well as to the commonly accepted wisdom and to advice from plausible
weirdos.
--
Nancy Lebovitz (nan...@universe.digex.net)
May '98 calligraphic button catalogue available by email!
bjc...@my-dejanews.com
marily...@ibm.net wrote:
> Some troll made a snotty comment in another thread about how this fat woman
> missed 45 days of work, so fat=unhealthy. It got me to thinking--how many are
Not me. I'm fat because I started the yo-yo rollercoaster of dieting when I
was in Jr High (this on top of having my mom restrict my eating when I was
younger). As for illnesses, well I do have stress-induced asthma, but I
developed that as a child (too much tickling I think. I can't really laugh
without losing my breath). Bronchitis, well, I did develop that after I got
fat, but after I moved out of the apartment with the cracked ceilings and the
powdered isulation (the stuff was severely powder and my landlord was too
cheap to replace it) I haven't had bronchitis since. Its been over 3 years.
Let's see, what else. Ahh, Graves' disease. Nope not fat related, it is an
auto-immune disorder any one may get. In fact I was just corresponding with a
woman who used to weigh 108 and is now 97 pounds and rapidly losing more,
hopefully the meds with slow down the weight loss and she can get back to her
pre-Graves' weight. Colds and flus, well I do get them, but less frequently
than my boss does and she weighs maybe 100 pounds and is about 5'3". In fact
I've got well over 30 days in sick leave built up. Any fat related illnesses,
nope, in fact my blood pressure is normal, my cholesterol is normal, my heart
reate is normal (more or less I still have a few Graves' related problems)
and I am doing aqua aerobics twice a weekand my blood sugars are disgustingly
normal.
So I guess if someone wants to look at me and think I'm unhealthy, well that's
their problem as I will probably out live that person anyways.
Jean C
"The key to longegvity is to keep breathing"
Sophie Tucker
http://www.uidaho.edu/~bjcraw/
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Carole
On Sun, 29 Nov 1998 23:24:54 -0500, "Parakeet" <dri...@briefcase.com>
wrote:
Bird
In article <366363a1...@news.maui.net>, nospamfor...@hotbot.com
(Carole) writes:
>Subject: Re: Favt vs. Illness
>From: nospamfor...@hotbot.com (Carole)
>Date: Tue, 01 Dec 1998 03:34:30 GMT
>
>"Opinions are what you need when you don't have the facts."
> -- Solomon Short
>
>Carole
So are Quotes!
Watch what people are cynical about, and one can often discover what they lack.
- ----George S. Patton
rubyfleur
> I find the opinion that "I can
> be overweight with no health risks and weight has nothing to do with my
> health" to be very dangerous support. A stable weight for you might be 240
> Lbs. but that is not a healthy weight. Your heart is working too hard, you
> are putting undue stress on your knees and ankles and risking diabetes and
> other circulation problems. But if you are happy that is at least one thing
> that is a great positive. I want to be in a position to be more healthy
> and give my body a chance to work better, Like it or not weight DOES play a
> part in that. I am FAT, have been for allot of my life but I will not let
> anyone support that by saying its okay I am destined to be fat. ONE CANNOT
> SAY THE EMPASIS IS ON HEALTH AND NOT INCLUDE WEIGHT, that is being blind to
> common sense.
*******************************************************************
Don't let the door hit ya where God split ya.
Rubyfleur
(showing driver to the door)
Sharon
> ONE CANNOT
>SAY THE EMPASIS IS ON HEALTH AND NOT INCLUDE WEIGHT, that is being blind to
>common sense.
On the contrary, it is your viewpoint that is being blind to common
sense, here let me explain.
Usually the reason people give for being concerned about weight is
health. They use weight as a tool of measurement, with the idea that
reaching a certain weight, or range, takes them closer to the goal
of good health.
Putting it another way, they are going to health via the intermediate
step of achieving a certain weight.
Now for some folks, using weight as a barometer does actually provide
a reasonably accurate (for them) quick guide as to how healthy they
are living their lives.
But weight is not a universal barometer that applies to everyone.
There are some thin people that are in poor health, and there are
some fat people that have never missed a day's work in their lives.
Now for those people for whom weight is not a good barometer,
common sense says that to aim for health, aim for *health*, not
going via a weight goal.
The other point is that even for those who can use weight as a
barometer, it is still a very bad idea to do so, as by doing this,
this contributes to body hatred, both in themselves and others,
and fosters prejudice against fat folks.
I do firmly believe that everyone would be a lot better off just
forgetting about weight, forgetting about fat, and if they want
to concentrate on health, concentrate on health itself, and what
practical things they can do as individuals that would be helpful
for *them*. These practical things may well result in weightloss,
but weightloss is a side-effect, not a goal in itself.
Common sense says if you want to go from A to B, concentrate on
getting to B, not C! In the same way, if you want to aim for
health, aim for health itself, not something else.
Sharon
--
(using my old email address at the moment)
http://www.cs.stir.ac.uk/~scu/
``Just click the "shut up and get on
with it" button and all will be well.''
Sepickard
II adult onset diabetes at age 38. No one in my family has diabetes that I
have been able to determine, and I'm not adopted. This is researching back 3
generations. My relatives live LONG lives (into their 80's and 90's) in good
health.
However, although they all tend to be "big" people, I am considerably more
overweight percentage wise than any relative I know of... Hmmm...
Getting back to the info I wanted to share. Although it has only been 4 years,
once I lost 20 pounds (from 280 to 260), my blood sugar returned to normal! I
thought I would have to lose over 100 pounds, but all it took was 20! I watch
my blood sugar carefully, and it will probably go up as I get older. But for
now, the 20 pounds did the trick!!!
Shelley (RN)
zx20...@eaglewing.wsn
On 1998-12-04 sepi...@aol.com.Shelley(Sepickard) wrote:
>I developed type II adult onset diabetes at age 38. No one in my
>family has diabetes that I have been able to determine, and I'm not
>adopted.
Interesting observation as it applies to me as well
>Getting back to the info I wanted to share. Although it has only
>been 4 years, once I lost 20 pounds (from 280 to 260), my blood
>sugar returned to normal!
Well, for me, I kept losing weight, however I wasn't that heavy to begin
with. I ended up with the situation where I was literally not metabolizing
anything. I was simply throwing the calories down the toilet. Plus, I was
quite thirsty all the time, and there was an elevated blood pressure. Now
that I've been put on one med per day to help control the diabetes, ,
everything seems to be getting back to normal, including the blood sugar.
It's interesting that losing that 20 pounds brought your sugar down, where
as for me, losing the weight wasn't effecting it, at least in bringing it
down. I guess you could say that I'm hoping to gain a little back. How
politically incorrect, eh?
I thought I would have to lose over 100
>pounds, but all it took was 20! I watch my blood sugar carefully,
>and it will probably go up as I get older. But for now, the 20
>pounds did the trick!!!
Does your doctor lecture you on the "need" to lose more, or is he/she
treating you more objectively? Just curious.
Mike
Reply by e-mail to tyo...@imcnet.net
zx20...@eaglewing.wsn
a good laugh. Sounds like he's a great guy, and one who puts his money
where his mouth is.
You're a person who's in that same size bracket as my wife is, and there
appear to be some similarities. One thing's for sure, and that is that you
should never feel cheap by any means. There are things that I like my wife
to do, and she gets uncomfortable with them, but she's gotten better over
time. I suppose that she may never totally be accepting of herself,
especially when it comes to some of those things you mentioned, but I try to
live with it, and though it can be difficult, I also try to understand as
much as I can. If the going gets a little too much for her, I simply turn
my attentions elsewhere, like my other hobbies, interests, and jobs. That
might sound a bit cold, heartless, and perhaps calculating, but quite
frankly, it's the best way for me to deal with various emotions surrounding
acceptance and the like. I have absolutely no problem with self acceptance.
I was put here a blind man, so I have first hand experience in self
acceptance issues. It's just that I need to have other avenues where I can
go to maintain a decent stress level and to just plain enjoy my life. I
help her as much as she'll let me with her dealings with self acceptance,
but I will walk away from that situation when it's gone far enough. I do
that for my own protection. Sorry if it's cold, but I have to do it for me.
You have a wonderful man who's probably like me in that he doesn't have
a lot of things that bother him. I could only wish that more men would be
like that. Life's too short to have hangups. It's surely up to individuals
to accept themselves in whatever capacity they're comfortable with, but the
important thing is that they indeed accept themselves and not
just say it.
Actions are much more valuable than words in this case. I've been down that
road too many times where I find that talk is cheap. It tends to be much
easier to travel through life when you at least make the attempt to say what
you mean and mean what you say. That's made all the difference for me.
Sandy Darch
all the problems seem to be under control except the weight problem. My
doctor told me that I was actually not eating enough to keep my metabolism
going. Since then I have tried a few different methods of weight control.
I am having a lot of success at the moment following Sue Powter's programme.
So I will keep trying to get back to the weight i was in my mid twenties.
It took me twenty years to get this way, so I have to be patient and
determined and not expect it to happen overnight.
Sandy
"Fridge pickers wear bigger knickers"
<bjc...@my-dejanews.com> wrote in message
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Photo R&D
condition which permits the body to absorb too much iron. Apparently it's
more common than originally thought. It would have been NBC news in their
weekly medical spot.
anyone else hear about this?
Deb
Sepickard wrote in message <19981204085801...@ng-ca1.aol.com>...
>Diabetes STINKS! Anyhow, I just wanted to share something. I developed
type
>II adult onset diabetes at age 38. No one in my family has diabetes that I
3
>generations. My relatives live LONG lives (into their 80's and 90's) in
good
>health.
>
>However, although they all tend to be "big" people, I am considerably more
>overweight percentage wise than any relative I know of... Hmmm...
>
years,
>once I lost 20 pounds (from 280 to 260), my blood sugar returned to normal!
>thought I would have to lose over 100 pounds, but all it took was 20! I
watch
>my blood sugar carefully, and it will probably go up as I get older. But
for
>now, the 20 pounds did the trick!!!
>