Questions for AS people about religion, worldviews, reason, etc.
Ex17a
I am AS and currently not religious but had strong religious leanings
when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
I am 24.
Questions for both religious and non religious.
How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
Do you feel you are at the end?
Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
origins and history?
Which way do you lean politically?
If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
time?
Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
you or anchors/cements your perspective?
What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
about anything related to the prior two questions?
Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
When you stim do you fantasize or imagine or think deep thoughts or d)
all of the above?
When you stim do you think clearer and express yourself more truely in
your thoughts?
If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
to rule the world? Why or why not?
General questions (not explicitly related to religion but can be).
Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
capacity makes one a potential genius?
And of course my favorite question.
How committed are you to logic and reason? and if reason was a statue
of a god, how close to you resemble it?
Ex17a
The last question is really just a rewording of "How commited to
reason are you?" kind of a trick question.
Also you say you are 25, what do you do for a living and what is your
background and education? If you don't mind me asking that is.
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003 13:06:58 +0100, Clare <joean...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>Ex17a wrote:
>
>More questions here than in my exams! I can't answer all of them but I'll
>do some :o)
>
>~ I am AS and currently not religious but had strong religious leanings
>~ when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
>~ I am 24.
>
>I am 25 and religion did not feature at all in my upbringing.
>
>~ Questions for both religious and non religious.
>~
>~ How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
>
>Not really.
>
>~ How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
>~ Do you feel you are at the end?
>
>I didn't choose a worldview. I formed my own opinions without thinking of
>them in the context of religion. I always thought I was an atheist.
>Since I heard about Pantheism, I looked it up and everything that
>Pantheists believe, I believe. So I guess I'm a Pantheist. I feel like
>I'm at the beginning of exploring that though.
>
>~ Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
>~ origins and history?
>
>Yes.
>
>~ Which way do you lean politically?
>
>Not sure, not on the right hand side though.
>
>~ If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
>~ severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
>~
>~ Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
>~ age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
>~
>~ Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
>~ time?
>
>No, I wish the opposite in fact. Although having said that, I don't know
>how I could live without the internet now.
>
>~ Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
>~ logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
>~ you or anchors/cements your perspective?
>~
>~ What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
>~
>~ Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
>~ about anything related to the prior two questions?
>
>I'd never want to live forever.
>
>~ Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
>~ maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
>~ why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
>
>Yes. When people annoy me I imagine them disappearing and not existing
>anymore.
>
>~ When you stim do you fantasize or imagine or think deep thoughts or d)
>~ all of the above?
>~
>~ When you stim do you think clearer and express yourself more truely in
>~ your thoughts?
>~
>~ If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
>~ to rule the world? Why or why not?
>
>No because his views might be different to mine.
>
>~ General questions (not explicitly related to religion but can be).
>~
>~ Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
>
>Yes, for not understanding me.
>
>~ Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
>~ plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
>
>No.
>
>~ Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
>~ capacity makes one a potential genius?
>
>No, just the latter gives the potential.
>
>~ And of course my favorite question.
>~
>~ How committed are you to logic and reason?
>
>Somewhat.
>
>~ and if reason was a statue
>~ of a god, how close to you resemble it?
>
>I'm sorry, that makes no sense to me.
Lawrence Foard
Ex17a <sp...@nospam.com> wrote:
>
>I am AS and currently not religious but had strong religious leanings
>when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
>I am 24.
>
>Questions for both religious and non religious.
>
>How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
Studying Buddhism has had a positive effect, I don't know if I
could really count myself as Buddhist, possible universalist
at this point, but lean most strongly toward Buddhist.
>How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
I had started off as Christian, in college became atheist/materialist,
am still that but no longer dismiss things because someone has labelled
them as spiritual. Spiritual is just a synonym for psychological.
>Do you feel you are at the end?
Want to stick around for another 40+ years I hope.
>Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
>origins and history?
Yes unless aliens where involved but that seems unlikely.
>Which way do you lean politically?
Socially very libertarian, economic liberal
>If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
>severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
The process of losing it was the more difficult part, was fundamentalist
Christian for a year, a really bad idea when mixed with OCD.
>Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
>age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
Not really, we are living at a time of major change.
>Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
>time?
Uncertain, I don't know if the world will be anything we'd recognize
in 200 years.
>Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
>logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
>you or anchors/cements your perspective?
Depends how you define futile. If futile refers only to the infinite
future then yes, the world will end and nothing we do will matter forever.
However thats an absurd demand on the world, what we do matters right now.
>What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
Realizing that there was no evidence for God, however Buddhism has
returned much of what I believed I lost. I had attributed the possibility
of entering certain mental states to God which can be entered through
meditation.
>Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
>about anything related to the prior two questions?
Yes, but even to live eternally is to die. It is a slow death rather than
a fast one, memories are rewritten, values change, etc. impermanence is
the inescapable and necessary reality.
>Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
>maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
>why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
Lots as a kid expecially involving bullies. Luckily I was essentially
peaceful, a teenage electronics hobbiest gone nuts with a good load of
explosives could do alot of damage. Back then there would have been no
problem obtaining explosives.
>When you stim do you fantasize or imagine or think deep thoughts or d)
>all of the above?
all of the above.
>When you stim do you think clearer and express yourself more truely in
>your thoughts?
In a sense, expecially dancing which is the ultimate stim.
>If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
>to rule the world? Why or why not?
No, even your absolute best most rational person still has biases which
could hurt many.
>General questions (not explicitly related to religion but can be).
>
>Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
No. My only resentments are toward doctors who should have known more
about autistic spectrum, after all HFA&AS had been know about for something
like 30 years!
>Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
>plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
I used to, used to want to take over and rule the world. Later realized
that would suck, there is no place suckier than at the top. Dictators
have to sleep with one eye open all the time trusting no one.
>Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
>capacity makes one a potential genius?
Yes.
>And of course my favorite question.
>
>How committed are you to logic and reason? and if reason was a statue
>of a god, how close to you resemble it?
Yes. Favorite God is Hermes, no wings on my feet unless I've been dancing
for a very long time, and then its still just imagination.
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sggaB the Slug
> How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
A "worldview" (if you can call it that) chose me, not the other way
around. To choose a worldview (which is by necessity just an imperfect
human model of the world) just for the sake of choosing one doesn't make
any sense to me whatsoever, because rigidly adhering to such a thing
pretty much guarantees not being able to see reality very well.
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>>How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
> I had started off as Christian, in college became atheist/materialist,
> am still that but no longer dismiss things because someone has labelled
> them as spiritual. Spiritual is just a synonym for psychological.
Erm... to me, anyway, "spiritual" has to do in large part with the way the
world is put together. So to call it "psychological" is rather a
misnomer; in an atheist worldview the things that fall under that category
would be just as much "scientific" and possibly "mathematical" or
"logical" as "psychological", if not more so.
Hylander
> I am AS and currently not religious but had strong religious leanings
> when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
> I am 24.
Maybe I'm still naive. I think religion is good for teaching things
like kindness in ways that have more meaning/consequences. I hope its
true and some personal experience tells me its true. I don't buy into
all the crap people push about how evil it is, causes bigotry, the
crusades slaughtered all these people. Those are fallacious. ie:
applying a specific example to generality. Its the same cause of
stereotypes in the first place.
> Questions for both religious and non religious.
>
> How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
Quite a bit. I think that when my family was very poor, seriously
starving....that is my dad was a senior citizen who slept all day and
my mom refused to work and refused government assistance, it was
religious charities that helped and actually did a better job than
welfare could due to welfare restrictions. I can say that it has
motivated me to have a stable job/family/etc and work on my health.
ie: I don't smoke/drink/do drugs and I don't lose money gambling and
don't start fights....of course, being a non-aggressive person, it
seems to suit my personality well.
> How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
I started the path early but really made my own choices at around 15
when I first tasted a bit of freedom from poverty and from the
sheltered life. I'm glad I was allowed to leave home at 15. It was a
good experience and showed me what I both missed out on and didn't
know.
> Do you feel you are at the end?
end of what? I'm not at the end of searching for the truth
philosophically/epistemologically. I have a lot in common with some
religious philosophers. I also enjoy discussion of Pascal's wager and
Rene Descartes epistemological. I think I believe the "clockmaker"
theory and choose to accept the "wager" instead of those who are say
like Ayn Rand or Jean Paul Satre. I'm not a fan of Satre per se. I
like Rand better but find some inconsistencies.
> Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
> origins and history?
I think evolution was part of the plan all along. I think Adam marked
a time when man had finally arrived at some kind of landmark like
Einstein did. Adam was supposedly very smart and taught language. I
think "true"* language is the key like some others do. True language
is a long book to describe but basically, it means more than warning
signals and actually being able to describe something that is not
visible or has never been seen before. Circumlocution. Bees have an
"instinctual" communication like this when they dance but it may not
be "volitionarily" changed. Bees cannot "deceive". Lying is also an
important part of that landmark. If you cannot circumlocute, you have
a hard time lying too. (otherwise, people can see for themselves it is
a false statement). So it was the first boolean chip installed in apes
perhaps? Carl Sagan is an excellent read on this topic too.
>
> Which way do you lean politically?
Conservative...most definitely. It isn't just an opinion to me. I've
learned things that to me make it completely unquestionable.
> If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
> severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
I did for a time. I didn't enjoy it. I thought I was ok for a while. I
still am more questioning. Normally, I have no problems dropping
something that is logically not provable unless evidence tends to
concur. My problem is that everything went wrong....moreso when I
decided to leave. It wasn't my family either. It was more strangers
and friends in general and myself. My attitude went very dark and I
became the opposite and ended up doing a lot of regrettable things and
stupid things. People without religion develop some common sense based
on secular things that equate to some religious teaching. It is hard
to replace your wisdom/shake your foundation that way. I eventually
got the secular common sense but still ended finding that religion was
a good lesson in learning the value of hope that is much more lacking
outside it.
> Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
> age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
I find that science has done very little to dispell religion. I don't
think I have ever been in a dark age. The modern
era/internet/knowledge propogating everywhere....this will only lead
to more technological breakthrough...we are also finding a new set of
limits and the challenge is breaking these limits.
> Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
> time?
Sometimes....then again, my ideal world would not scorn morality and
not scorn science either. I don't believe there is a simple heaven
and hell by the way. I think everyone makes it but only at various
levels and many will be surprised at the variety of justice. ie:
perhaps some of those columbine kids just might have it better due to
mitigating factors than the slug who basically leeched off the world,
environment, never gave and only took and did nothing to prevent
certain disasters.
> Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
> logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
> you or anchors/cements your perspective?
Life can be viewed as futile in some sense existentially. However,
this is the tree in the forest problem under a new slant. Perhaps the
universe needs some intelligence to appreciate some of it. Was it
unplanned for or a wonderful little quirk of nature that life would be
staring back? That star dust would organize into flesh that would make
powerful telescopes and look back? It could be mere chance/that's how
nature goes....but I'm a romanticist in that sense. I agree that
reality may be blah, but I think there is a lot of variety in the
universe to keep us occupied and hence think it is a good thing. We
are the complexity that defies entropy and seeks order instead of
chaos. Complexity must be part of the formula of existence somewhere.
Most of the universe however is just protons and electrons. (hydrogen
gas)
> What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
Maybe finding out that my parents were even worse than I thought in
some ways but also how bad I myself am now.
> Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
> about anything related to the prior two questions?
This is a very interesting question since it is peculiar to my
beliefs. I do want to live forever. I'd like it if everything were
recorded somewhere on candid camera, I'd like it if I were a God at
some point in time if I ever get that chance.
> Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
> maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
> why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
No. But some destruction is necessary for creation to take place.
> When you stim do you fantasize or imagine or think deep thoughts or d)
> all of the above?
I get philosophical all the time....especially when asked a lot of
questions. But it is good to take a look at the big picture at
different levels. ie: the big big picture and sometimes just the big
picture. I'm a detail oriented person.
> When you stim do you think clearer and express yourself more truely in
> your thoughts?
Yes actually....very much so. I'm stimming now. I can't think without
it at times. Its when I can't that my mind can go blank on me.
> If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
> to rule the world? Why or why not?
Sure. Why not? Aspies tend to be knowledgable/objective and fair. If
an aspie were a God, they may still have that personality, lack
certain perfections but still be powerful *enough* (Enough is a very
very important word that is the simplest Englist term for the more
advanced concept of threshold in human logic.) to do great things
with the universe. Basically, I believe we all at some point earlier
and at some point in the future will in a timeless manner be involved
in creating a part of our own universe. I also think that there may be
alternate realities based on ourselves at times....it isn't consistent
but there is no standard to compare with and no control group that
would persist to compare intrinsically.
>
> General questions (not explicitly related to religion but can be).
>
> Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
Yes. For chosing their lifestyles in some ways. The purposely made
things harder on themselves than they should have. I have let all that
resent go however. I realize I am (cliche spoiler) "master of my own
destiny" and that
such had impact but there is little I need to do about it.
> Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
> plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
I can. I don't believe aspies lose the big picture either like some
doctors would say...or that we lack imagination. Often, we chose
extremes that NTs find silly. We maintain some of our childhood
fantasy I think....still asking why because we realize that we don't
have to be normal since we never really were anyway. Normal is also
boring. I am glad to be a unique aspie....
> Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
> capacity makes one a potential genius?
Yes. I think there is good evidence there. It's cliche but evidence
nonetheless. I avoid being overly contrarian like some skeptics who
are overly skeptical and chose contrarian views for the sake of being
contrarian. Challenge is important in any idea....but being that there
are 1000 ways to challenge something...I tend to think you have to
choose wisely a narrow range of actions. You don't get to where you
want to go without a narrow azimuth on your compass. Not all roads
lead to Rome actually...some lead to the ocean and others lead to
quicksand.
> And of course my favorite question.
>
> How committed are you to logic and reason? and if reason was a statue
> of a god, how close to you resemble it?
Reason has been a god before. It is a very important archetype. Jung
explores archetypes quite a bit. How close do I resemble it? I think I
resemble it quite a bit and I think it is also compatible with
religion if you accept the disclaimers that go with it. Acceptance is
based on yet more reason. I haven't found reasons to reject those.
Logic is very important. So is your personal experience. We all live
encapsulated by our finite senses. We cannot even prove anything else
besides our own existence....even that has a degree of challenge. You
may think you are one existence....it could be that you are several
under the illusion of one. It could be that your existence obeys some
strange law of matter consciousness that makes it so that even our
computer games think they exist...and therefore do not really exist
except as electrons. At a minimum, I exist and do not really know how
or why without certain additive acceptances of axioms....statements
without a need for proof.
Nice questions. (maybe you can tell I've been on these issues before
here)
John
sggaB the Slug
> I am AS and currently not religious but had strong religious leanings
> when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
> I am 24.
> Questions for both religious and non religious.
> How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
Misapplication of it has affected my life badly. Proper application of it
has affected my life well. Most religions seem to me to be a peculiar mix
of people using the exact same sorts of ideas to head toward the truth and
shield themselves from it at all costs, probably because there are some
people within them who focus on words out of context and others who focus
on where the words came from in the first place.
> How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
As I said in my other post, a "worldview" chose/chooses me, not the other
way around, if I can even put that in a sentence properly. Being
bludgeoned over the head with reality repeatedly isn't something one
forgets easily.
> Do you feel you are at the end?
End of what?
> Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
> origins and history?
I don't know enough to comment. I don't think any human knows enough to
know precisely what happened and how.
> Which way do you lean politically?
I have never understood the terms "liberal" and "conservative", so it's
hard to know which one I am. I do know that people who *profess*
themselves as liberal, conservative, moderate, and libertarian all have
views and ways of applying them that annoy me in different ways.
I do base my political beliefs on principles gained from being bashed over
the head with reality, though.
> If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
> severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
There was severe emotional damage/fallout involved in *gaining* faith, for
me (not that it wasn't worthwhile).
> Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
> age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
I don't know.
> Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
> time?
At times I have, because there's certain technology I'd want. However,
without more data, I couldn't be sure. I think the person I am now is
*supposed* to be where(/when) it is, so at any rate I find it more an
intellectual waste-of-time exercise in futility to wish to be born at a
different time than anything else.
> Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
> logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
> you or anchors/cements your perspective?
I think the question itself of "Is life futile?" is flawed, but I would
say, if pressed, that it is not futile. Life *is*.
> What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
I don't know. I'm not sure if it's that I don't think of life that way,
or if I just can't remember in answer to an open-ended question like this.
> Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
> about anything related to the prior two questions?
I don't want to live forever, because death is a necessary part of life.
I don't want to be omniscient either. I may have wanted to in the past,
but that's not really my thing (or my place in the world).
> Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
> maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
> why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
I've had harmless fantasies of torturing psych professionals the way they
tortured me. Standard revenge fantasies. Would never act on them.
> When you stim do you fantasize or imagine or think deep thoughts or d)
> all of the above?
Often when I stim I don't even notice that I'm stimming. So I can stim
when I'm doing just about anything.
> When you stim do you think clearer and express yourself more truely in
> your thoughts?
Yes, because I'm not suppressing the need to stim so I can free mindspace
up to think.
> If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
> to rule the world? Why or why not?
This presupposes an entire worldview that is incompatible with the world,
so it's hard for me to comment.
"God" to me isn't something that "rules the world" in the sense you're
talking about.
"Power of god" to me isn't something that's absent from *anyone* in the
world (although I find it a clumsy thing to word).
"Intellectual aspie" often (not always) goes along with a sort of person
who's so wrapped up in thoughts and/or multilayer abstractions and/or
words that they can't see reality. Which means no, I would not want such
a person "ruling the world", because the whole "wrapped up in abstraction"
stuff is what makes them unaware of reality/god/whatever and will lead
them to do wrong/unpleasant things on this basis.
> General questions (not explicitly related to religion but can be).
> Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
I don't know if the word is "resent", but definitely there are a lot of
things they've done they shouldn't have.
> Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
> plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
I have an eye for the "big" picture. I *don't* mastermind, plot, plan,
or contrive.
> Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
> capacity makes one a potential genius?
What's a genius? I was stuck with a lot of so-called geniuses in certain
programs, was even supposed to be one, and I never figured it out. I also
met a whole lot of people who lived entirely within their intellectual
constructs, which was, to me, not a good way to live, and had negative
consequences for most of the people around them. As I keep saying, an
intellect is a tool, not an end.
> And of course my favorite question.
> How committed are you to logic and reason? and if reason was a statue
> of a god, how close to you resemble it?
I am committed to *truth*. Logic and reason can be used to discern
certain parts of the truth (and are certainly better than a lot of other
tools out there), but they have their limits, their limits are visible
from within logic and reason, and the directions those limits point in are
extremely important.
There are people in the world who rely on something they call "logic" and
"reason", and I see as a framework steadily removing them further and
further from reality as they get entranced by pretty enclosed
worlds-of-logic-abstraction. These people remind me of people who look at
the words of religion and not what made the words, and I can see no
difference really either in nature or in effect except that a lot of them
are incredibly emphatic about not being religious.
Yet again, these things are tools. They can be used or misused. Truth
exists independently of any of these human mind-tools, and forgetting that
is dangerous. (Although even the words I use around this are inadequate,
by necessity.)
Larry
(Well what did you expect me to say as a born again Christian)
Politically I am a new variant anarkist in that I maintain that I can
believe in anything I want depending on how I feel and what day of the week
it is. (whoops I am inconsistand shall I self extinguish)
As for evolution, who is to say that the world was not created five minutes
ago as complete as we see it now, with all the history implanted in our
minds. I am a followere of Bishop Berkeley and sometimes Busby as well ....
you need the odd musical to entertain you in those silent forests you never
find yourself in (because if you did you would here the trees falling and
then that argument would fall apart ) .... :)
Life ain't futiel we are here and the universe is here, ridiculos as that
seems so we might as well get on with it. (Have I just mutated into Jean
Paul Sartre, is that a gauloise I see before me, the butt towards my hand)
An intellectual aspie was given the power of God, his name is Jesus :)
I am sometimes about as consitant as Walt Whitman, changing from a deist
predestinarian, to a phenomenologist to an existentialist to absolute
relativist (thats the best one, a total oxymoron) in the space of time it
takes to paint an impressionist portrait
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"Ex17a" <sp...@nospam.com> wrote in message
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>
Kathleen
> when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
> I am 24.
>
> Questions for both religious and non religious.
>
> How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
I was raised by a monk (autistic father) and a kook.
>
> How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
> Do you feel you are at the end?
I don't believe people choose world views. Your world
view is the sum of your knowledge at a particular point
in time.
> Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
> origins and history?
No. What needs to be explained is what
happened before the BIG BANG, or rather,
how do we frame what that is, in the absense
of the dimensions of Time and Matter. And
that would be the reason I say NO.
> Which way do you lean politically?
Democrat.
> If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
> severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
No, I was pissed at God, when no when would
help me, when I was very sick, and very desperate
and I had three little kids running around unsupervised.
1996. Therefore I did not lose faith that He exists.
> Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
> age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
No. We are at that point in time predicted by
Churchill when he wrote for Popular Mechanics.
> Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
> time?
No. Things are very exciting right now.
> Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
> logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
> you or anchors/cements your perspective?
No, My life is hardly futile.
> What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
Being accidently switched at birth and got
the wrong mother. This is what my the mother
who ended up with me claims, anyway.
> Do you want to live forever?
No.
Do you want omniscience?
No.
Do you fantasize
> about anything related to the prior two questions?
I have no fantasies at all, actually. I read scripture and
try to discover if any of it conflicts or makes no sense.
So far, it makes sense.
> Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
> maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
> why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
Not ever once.
> When you stim do you fantasize or imagine or think deep thoughts or d)
> all of the above?
I am a scientist. I could not stop trying to
figure everything out if I tried.
> When you stim do you think clearer and express yourself more truely in
> your thoughts?
I have Lyme disease now, so my thoughts are clouded
especially late in the day.
This is a permanent brain infection.
>
> If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
> to rule the world? Why or why not?
No. This is not God's world. Who would want it anyway?
Certainly not God.
> General questions (not explicitly related to religion but can be).
>
> Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
I resent the woman who got stuck with me anyway
at the hospital, the day I was born, despite her
protestations. I do not resent my father at all.
He was a genius, and taught me a lot.
> Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
> plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
Big picture, always. Masterminding? For what?
I solve scientific puzzles.
> Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
> capacity makes one a potential genius?
That seems to be the definition. I was told my
IQ was 300-400. Of course that was before Lyme disease.
>
> And of course my favorite question.
>
> How committed are you to logic and reason? and if reason was a statue
> of a god, how close to you resemble it?
High functioning Autism is a SUPER ORDER of the brain.
Aspergers is something different:
http://www.currentpsychiatry.com/2002_07/07_02_autism.asp
I couldn't commit to anything other than logic
if I tried. It's a bit excruciating at times, trying
to figure other people out, because so little of the
time, do they do things that make much sense.
I just hope when I croak I discover I have pleased
God. HE says, DO NO HARM. That's all we need to know.
You don't have to be a SUPERLOGICIAN to understand what
that means. God knew what he was doing. As I said, it
all makes sense.
Kathleen
Gareeth
> I am AS and currently not religious but had strong religious leanings
> when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
> I am 24.
>
> Questions for both religious and non religious.
>
> How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
Not sure how it has but it has.
>
> How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
I don't think a worldview is a static thing that is chosen once and for all.
Hopefully it changes as a person grows.
> Do you feel you are at the end?
At the end of what?
> Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
> origins and history?
>
I beleive evolution is the more plausible explanation but I am sure there is
room for improvement in the theories.
> Which way do you lean politically?
Left
>
> Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
> age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
I don't think this is a dark age. MUch has been learned and invented in this
era.
>
> Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
> time?
How would that be possible short of being born in the future which I would
prefer not to gamble with.
>
> Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
> logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
> you or anchors/cements your perspective?
Yes my life is futile.
>
> What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
Not living like other adults manage to do
>
> Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
> about anything related to the prior two questions?
No, no and no.
>
> Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
> maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
> why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
No
>
> When you stim do you fantasize or imagine or think deep thoughts or d)
> all of the above?
No
>
> When you stim do you think clearer and express yourself more truely in
> your thoughts?
>
No
> If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
> to rule the world? Why or why not?
Of course not. Poor EF possible poor empathy and TOM. I don't think God
rules actively anyway.
>
>
> General questions (not explicitly related to religion but can be).
>
> Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
Yes. They were mean.
> Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
> plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
No
> Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
> capacity makes one a potential genius?
I am a genius but whether that has anything to do with my AS is
questionable. What my AS has done is make my genius pretty useless.
>
> And of course my favorite question.
>
> How committed are you to logic and reason? and if reason was a statue
> of a god, how close to you resemble it?
Logic and reason are good but I do think there are things we can not know
logically.
Gareeth
Gareeth
>
> I was raised by a monk (autistic father) and a kook.
What sort of order allows monks to have children?
Gareeth
rapum lucidum
>
Warning: My answers are probably incomplete so just take them as a
guide :-)
>
>How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
Quite a lot... was a feature of school assemblies, went to Sunday
School etc, so always exposed.
Unless 'effected' is not a misspelling... in which case... as far as I
know I wasn't the result of religious activity :-)
>
>How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
>Do you feel you are at the end?
I chose not to disown religion at about 14.
I picked up a lot of general philosophies - or at least became more
secure in them or something - in the last few years (i.e. around
18-20).
>
>Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
>origins and history?
No. It's no more than a theory.
>
>Which way do you lean politically?
My own random mix... probably left-wing, without being too extreme
about it. Kind of open to free markets etc but in a kind of socialist
way, if that makes sense.
>
>If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
>severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
>
>Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
>age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
Not sure :-)
>
>Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
>time?
Not really... science is kind of depressing :-/
>
>Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
>logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
>you or anchors/cements your perspective?
No, but I think society's influence is to make it futile.
>
>What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
Might come back to this later :-0
>
>If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
>to rule the world? Why or why not?
No. I wouldn't want any human to rule the world. As it happens, that's
why I'm against superstates.
>Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
I am kind of regretful of their lack of understanding of me, but at
the same time don't want to hold it against them... a painful paradox.
>Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
>plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
Not sure :-/
>Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
>capacity makes one a potential genius?
Not sure.
>
>And of course my favorite question.
>
>How committed are you to logic and reason?
I'm very committed to it, but at the same time to the way I feel about
something... instinct etc. To me putting them both joint first isn't
contradictory.
--
The Luminous Turnip
[professionally self-dx'd AS]
Spectrum code:
AS d- s:- a-- c++>+++ p+>+++ t+(+++) f-(--) s+ p@ e+>+++ h++ r-->+-+-+- n*(+) i+++++ p- m(+) M@
(well depends what day it is really)
Ian Molton
"Gareeth" <Garee...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> > I was raised by a monk (autistic father) and a kook.
>
> What sort of order allows monks to have children?
I guess he could have left, or joined after conception...
--
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Do not meddle in the affairs of Dragons, for you are tasty and good with
ketchup.
Ron Hedgcock
> How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
Religion/spiritual things/occult theories have given my life a profound
structure that has been very important.
>
> How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
It developedas I went into adulthood. Image of We are aliens dumped on a
strange planet, that has the potential to be good exciting. No guarantees
or special privileges for humanity.
No dont consider any end is intended. May happen by mankind's stupidity.
Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
> origins and history? No but a vital and suitable progressive process.
Which way do you lean politically?
Conservative/ecological Left.
r when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
> severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
No disillusionment. rather excitement and conversion like experience...
round about age of mid forties. I wished I'd learned much more years before.
> Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
> age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
No I dont. I think that science/technology are still potentially good.
It's governments etc that are the bad influence.
Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
> time?
Never had a thought like that one.
> Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
> logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
> you or anchors/cements your perspective?
absolutely no.
>
> What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
Lack of information early in life about my Aspergers. Believing in marrige
for me. Sadness about the stupidity and destructiveness of so much of
humanity.
> Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
> about anything related to the prior two questions?
No dont think about either. I do tend to favour some sort of continuation
after 'death'.
Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
> maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
> why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
Never. cant imagine doing it.
When you stim do you fantasize or imagine or think deep thoughts or d)
> all of the above?
No
> When you stim do you think clearer and express yourself more truely in
> your thoughts?
No
> If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
> to rule the world? Why or why not?
No. I think such an individual would be too limited in his/her knowledge
and understanding.
> Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
Rarely. I might feel sad about their somewhat narrow old fashioned
approach. Nothing much else.
Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
> plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
No. I'm not gifted that way
Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
> capacity makes one a potential genius?
Yes. makes sense.
>
> How committed are you to logic and reason? and if reason was a statue
> of a god, how close to you resemble it?
Moderately committed. I llike to balance emotion/Spirit and Reason. I
might resemble in a minor way.
Cheers,
Ron
Hylander
> > Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
> > origins and history?
>
> I think evolution was part of the plan all along. I think Adam marked
> a time when man had finally arrived at some kind of landmark like
> Einstein did. Adam was supposedly very smart and taught language. I
> think "true"* language is the key like some others do. True language
> is a long book to describe but basically, it means more than warning
> signals and actually being able to describe something that is not
> visible or has never been seen before. Circumlocution. Bees have an
> "instinctual" communication like this when they dance but it may not
> be "volitionarily" changed. Bees cannot "deceive". Lying is also an
> important part of that landmark. If you cannot circumlocute, you have
> a hard time lying too. (otherwise, people can see for themselves it is
> a false statement). So it was the first boolean chip installed in apes
> perhaps? Carl Sagan is an excellent read on this topic too.
I might add that I think God had intervention when "Adam" came into
being.
> > If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
> > severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
>
> I did for a time. I didn't enjoy it. I thought I was ok for a while. I
> still am more questioning. Normally, I have no problems dropping
> something that is logically not provable unless evidence tends to
> concur. My problem is that everything went wrong....moreso when I
> decided to leave. It wasn't my family either. It was more strangers
> and friends in general and myself. My attitude went very dark and I
> became the opposite and ended up doing a lot of regrettable things and
> stupid things. People without religion develop some common sense based
> on secular things that equate to some religious teaching. It is hard
> to replace your wisdom/shake your foundation that way. I eventually
> got the secular common sense but still ended finding that religion was
> a good lesson in learning the value of hope that is much more lacking
> outside it.
I just want to add some clarification here as I wrote this in a
confusing way. I tried to leave religion and although I *could*, it
hurt because a person who "rebels" tends to be more extreme, do a
complete 180 where a person who is raised indifferent to such tend to
develop *other* reasons why you *shouldn't* do X. When religion went,
I broke routines and rules and endangered myself quite a bit. I kind
of think I'm permananly hooked on a very very addictive but
beneign/possibly beneficial substance that in the end may mean nothing
but at least offers some glimmer of hope and teaches that consequences
and reality can be greater than we perceive. I like the wisdom more
than the dogma that "founder X" is a great person or "you should do
this because of this and this and this" per se. I have compromised a
few standards but stick to what I know in a sense. I'm willing to
change my religion or drop it if approached with something "better" or
there is evidence that the lifestyle is extremely harmful compared to
some other lifestyle in specific detail but I don't see it on the
horizon.
> > Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
> > age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
No....therefore age/feeling irrelevant.
>
> > Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
> > time?
Sometimes I wonder if I would like less technology other than these
basics. Also, some technologies seem to be just mental masturbation
and futility. People use overly complex academic techniques to solve
simple problems. A call to return to basics is in order.
> > Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
> > logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
> > you or anchors/cements your perspective?
I, like other philosophers can hypothesize it is and based on that
figure that if it were, at least I spent it doing what I wanted to
do...helping who I felt deserving of it and brought justice and
kindness where I could. I have lived life betting that I'll take my
mind with me....if I were to live this hypothesis, I might become a
cheap single health nut with perhaps less interest in knowledge and
helping others...essentially relegating them to "about to go anyway".
If life is meaningless and I am life and others are life, we are all
meaningless and so it pays little to help anyone but yourself or
others so you can rest without wailing or excessive guilt from natural
sympathy. No need to help others excel and compete with you for
survival....just enough so they can support you back. Selfish and
perhaps mercenary....I know...but in this world as is and life if it
were such, would make me someone who needs more than the average
person and so must fight more for myself.
Nick Argall
> when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
> I am 24.
>
> Questions for both religious and non religious.
>
> How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
It saved me from despair and suicide.
> How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
At 20, I chose Buddhism, at 26 I chose shamanism, at 27 I chose Taoism.
> Do you feel you are at the end?
I think Taoism has a good while to run yet, and I may stay with it for the
rest of my life.
> Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
> origins and history?
I believe it's probably what happened, but no single thing is the 'be all
and end all'
> Which way do you lean politically?
Moderate left-wing.
> If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
> severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
I had faith in the statement "If you work hard enough, and care about the
people around you, the world will take care of you." This turned out not to
be the case, and the resulting clinical depression damn near killed me.
> Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
> age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
No.
> Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
> time?
No.
> Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
> logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
> you or anchors/cements your perspective?
No.
> What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
Separating from my wife, getting fired the third time.
> Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
> about anything related to the prior two questions?
No.
> Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
> maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
> why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
I think so. I don't remember.
> When you stim do you fantasize or imagine or think deep thoughts or d)
> all of the above?
Stimming is stimming, and doesn't have to involve anything else. But it
might.
> When you stim do you think clearer and express yourself more truely in
> your thoughts?
If the stimming is working, yes.
> If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
> to rule the world? Why or why not?
No, I don't believe that dictatorship is a desirable model of government.
> General questions (not explicitly related to religion but can be).
>
> Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
I used to. Because I was unhappy with my relationship with them.
> Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
> plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
Yes.
> Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
> capacity makes one a potential genius?
Yes. But a genius isn't nessecarily a good person, they're just a
delusional smartass who happened to be right.
> And of course my favorite question.
>
> How committed are you to logic and reason? and if reason was a statue
> of a god, how close to you resemble it?
A statue of logic would be a statue of Aristotle, the genuis who invented
the science of logic, and used it to prove that the sun and all the plantets
revolve around the earth, and that if you throw a stone into the air, it
will fly in a straight line upward and outward, and then suddenly turn and
fall straight down.
I believe that the contrived and artificial nature of logical proof remains
the same, although people have become much better at covering it up.
Nick
Larry
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
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Tim Bruening
Clare wrote:
> Ex17a wrote:
>
> More questions here than in my exams! I can't answer all of them but I'll
> do some :o)
>
> ~ I am AS and currently not religious but had strong religious leanings
> ~ when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
> ~ I am 24.
>
> I am 25 and religion did not feature at all in my upbringing.
I have dabbled in religion (Prespeterian), but not currently.
>
> ~ How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
> ~ Do you feel you are at the end?
>
> I didn't choose a worldview. I formed my own opinions without thinking of
> them in the context of religion. I always thought I was an atheist.
> Since I heard about Pantheism, I looked it up and everything that
> Pantheists believe, I believe. So I guess I'm a Pantheist. I feel like
> I'm at the beginning of exploring that though.
What do Pantheists believe?
> ~ Which way do you lean politically?
>
> Not sure, not on the right hand side though.
Neither right nor left, but in front.
~ Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
> ~ about anything related to the prior two questions?
>
> I'd never want to live forever.
I would.
Graham
> How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
How do you mean?
I live in a world populated by people who fervently and passionately
believe in utter nonsense which is quite inconsistent with other things
they believe in.
Certainly being surrounded by such irrational people affects me, how can
you deal with people like that? Just nod politely and avoid them in
future?
> How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
You don't choose beliefs.
You don't *choose* to believe that gravity exists and that a dropped
object will fall. You don't "choose" to believe that you exist. You
don't "choose" to believe that cats and dogs are different creatures.
I was perhaps 10 when I first told a "religious instruction" teacher
that I was disinterested in her classes because jesus was no different
to father christmas or the easter bunny, and that I was puzzled why she
was continuing to insist otherwise to children old enough to know it.
> Do you feel you are at the end?
At the end of what?
> Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
> origins and history?
No more than paper is the be-all and end-all of books.
> Which way do you lean politically?
I don't. I'm not allowed to vote.
> If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
> severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
huh?
We're all alone in a big cold universe. Get used to it.
> Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
> age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
The evidence would suggest otherwise.
The historic "Dark Ages" were a regression from the cultural and
technological high ground which preceded. They were dark by comparison
with what went before, not what followed. We are currently at a
historical high point in scientific and technological dvelopment, even
though we are also on a steep upward slope.
> Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
> time?
Not particularly. I feel my generation and my parent's generation have
had the fortune (or misfortune if you agree with the sentiments of the
ancient Chinese curse) to live in very interesting times.
> Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
> logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
> you or anchors/cements your perspective?
Futile?
It's utterly futile if you devote it to the greater glory of a non
existent deity.
It's utterly futile if you devote your life to time travel.
On the other hand, if you devote your life to random acts of kindness in
a cruel and uncaring universe, then stopping and repairing stranded
strangers' cars at the side of the road is far from futile.
> What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
Religious people. How can people believe such utter nonsense?
> Do you want to live forever?
What an appalling idea.
> If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
> to rule the world? Why or why not?
Daft question.
> How committed are you to logic and reason?
How committed are you to the number 5?
> and if reason was a statue of a god, how close to you resemble it?
Meaningless question.
Hans Kamp
"Ex17a" <sp...@nospam.com> schreef in bericht
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>
> I am AS and currently not religious but had strong religious leanings
> when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
> I am 24.
>
> Questions for both religious and non religious.
>
> How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
I am almost nor religious.
> How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
What do you mean by worldview? My strongest desire, is that there is an
absolute world peace, without any wars, guerrillas, and the end of the
Israel-Palestinian Conflict.
> Which way do you lean politically?
Internationally I am more left than nationally. I am a nationalist in a
certain way, especially in the sense that I am worrying about the future of
the Dutch language and the invasion of the English language. I can live with
the fact that I have to use English most of the time that I am writing
messages to newsgroups and surfing on the Internet.
> If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
> severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
>
> Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
> age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
I think that the age in which I am living, is not really a dark age, if I
exclude wars out of my view for a while. It is not really depressing at all.
> Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
> time?
No.
> Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
> logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
> you or anchors/cements your perspective?
No, for me, life is not futile. In most of the time, I do enjoy it.
> What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
My biggest disappointments is not even my autism. I had a bad youth, but
that is not inherent to autism per se. I don't have a regular job, but a
Melkert job instead.
> Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
> about anything related to the prior two questions?
I have no thoughts about living forever. Maybe I wish, but most of the time,
I am not thinking about it.
> Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
> maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
> why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
Most of the time, no.
> If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
> to rule the world? Why or why not?
That depends on his political ideas, and whether I agree with them, but not
whether he is an aspie or not.
> General questions (not explicitly related to religion but can be).
>
> Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
No.
> Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
> plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
Yes, I think. I like organizing things, for example my birthday party.
> How committed are you to logic and reason? and if reason was a statue
> of a god, how close to you resemble it?
I am a very logical thinker.
Hans Kamp.
Tim Bruening
Kathleen wrote:
> Ex17a <sp...@nospam.com> wrote in message news:<6cknov8qbvia7og7k...@4ax.com>...
> > I am AS and currently not religious but had strong religious leanings
> > when I was younger due to my naiveness and fundamentalist upbringing.
> > I am 24.
> >
> > Questions for both religious and non religious.
> >
> > How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
>
> I was raised by a monk (autistic father) and a kook.
My stepdad suggested yesterday that being a monk would be ideal for me, since I wouldn't have to
talk to anyone!
Ian Molton
Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
> My stepdad suggested yesterday that being a monk would be ideal for
> me, since I wouldn't have to talk to anyone!
It'd be ideal for everyone else too.
Tim Bruening
Ian Molton wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:01:17 -0700
> Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > My stepdad suggested yesterday that being a monk would be ideal for
> > me, since I wouldn't have to talk to anyone!
>
> It'd be ideal for everyone else too.
But then the human race would cease to exist!
HGJ
> My stepdad suggested yesterday that being a monk would be ideal for me, since I wouldn't have to
> talk to anyone!
Would you like not talking to anyone?
Digby
And don't you think that that would be a very good thing Tim?
The human race is nothing but a destructive virus on the face of this
otherwise beautiful planet.
Digby.
Catriona R
>Questions for both religious and non religious.
>
>How would you say religion has effected your life (if at all)?
Not at all, really - I'm non-religious, and I just try and avoid it.
The way it affected me the most, was when I was a kid, and I was one
of only two children in my village allowed to play outside on
Sundays... that was annoying, and simply convinced me that religion
must be pretty silly if it enforces rules like that. Or course, now I
know it's not always like that, but I've never seen a lot of use in
it.
>How old were you when you chose a worldview, what was it?
>Do you feel you are at the end?
Sorry, I don't understand that question.
>Do you believe evolution absolutely the be all and end all of human
>origins and history?
No, I don't think the evolution theory is any more likely than the
creation theory. My belief is that some things are too complicated for
humans to ever come up with a real answer for, as things stand now,
anyway - certainly none of the theories I've heard have any real
credibility.
>Which way do you lean politically?
Dunno - all the political parties in Britain have stupid policies, so
I don't side with any of them.
>If or when you lost your faith how devastating was it, and was their
>severe emotional damage or fallout (if applicable)?
Never had any in the first place...
>Do you believe you are living in the scientific and technological dark
>age and how acutely and from what age did you feel this?
?
>Do you wish you had been born in a much more scientifically advanced
>time?
Nah, life's fine as it is now - would've been nice if the internet had
been more widely available when I was younger, but otherwise it's fine
as it is.
>Do you think that life is futile and did you arrive at this conclusion
>logically, and whats your argument for feeling this way and what gives
>you or anchors/cements your perspective?
Depends exactly what you mean... I don't think life is a part of a
great design or whatever some religions believe, but I don't think
it's useless, either.
>What do you think are the biggest dissapointments in your life?
Not acheiving my childhood dreams, wasting several years of my life
with depression and isolation.
>Do you want to live forever? Do you want omniscience? Do you fantasize
>about anything related to the prior two questions?
Nah, living forever would get pretty boring, plus the world would soon
be overrun with people ;-)
>Have you had dreams/harmless fantasies of destroying, killing or
>maiming irrational or inconsistent people explain who/what was it and
>why you felt this way? (i.e. destroying the world fantasy)
Hehe, I often want to kill annoying little children who run round
making noise that hurts my ears, but I'm not into destroying the
world... yet ;-)
>When you stim do you fantasize or imagine or think deep thoughts or d)
>all of the above?
Nope - don't stim like that at all.
>When you stim do you think clearer and express yourself more truely in
>your thoughts?
No.
>If an intellectual aspie was given the power of god would you want him
>to rule the world? Why or why not?
No - chances are he wouldn't realise what made other people happy, and
would assume that because he liked some things, everyone else would.
;-)
>General questions (not explicitly related to religion but can be).
>
>Do you resent your parents at all and explain why and what for?
No.
>Do you feel you have an eye for the big picture? (i.e. masterminding,
>plotting, planning, contriving, etc)
Dunno.
>Do you believe given AS and a strong biological basis for intellectual
>capacity makes one a potential genius?
Dunno... I'm intelligent enough, and I have AS, but I'm no genius,
anyway.
>And of course my favorite question.
>
>How committed are you to logic and reason? and if reason was a statue
>of a god, how close to you resemble it?
Eh, dunno... don't fully get it - I'm never much good at these kinds
of questions.
--
Catriona (19, AS)
AS! d- s-:-- a-- c+>++ p+ t-@ f(--) S+(-) p? e- h r+ n+ i+(-) P- m M--
Lawrence Foard
Tim Bruening
HGJ wrote:
I often get nervous when I talk to people, and have trouble figuring out what to say in response to questions.
HGJ
I have those problems too, but that doesn't mean that I never want to
talk to anyone.
Tim Bruening
Ian Molton wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:01:17 -0700
> Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > My stepdad suggested yesterday that being a monk would be ideal for
> > me, since I wouldn't have to talk to anyone!
>
> It'd be ideal for everyone else too.
Ah, the sound of silence!:)
Tim Bruening
Ian Molton wrote:
> On Sat, 18 Oct 2003 10:01:17 -0700
> Tim Bruening <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote:
>
> > My stepdad suggested yesterday that being a monk would be ideal for
> > me, since I wouldn't have to talk to anyone!
>
> It'd be ideal for everyone else too.
How would a monk breed?
Andreia Wilson
> > > My stepdad suggested yesterday that being a monk would be ideal for
> > > me, since I wouldn't have to talk to anyone!
For many years I wanted to be a Buddhist nun, and for some of those
years I planned to become one.
Andreia