08/08/08
Tim Bruening
Tim Bruening
nemo
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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> 2 months to 08/08/08.
That's the racists' favourite day izzen tit? They march through the streets
chanting it!
Stephen Wilson
"nemo" <ne...@naughtylass.wet> wrote in message
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I thought it was the weight watcher's chant...
nemo
"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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I think since my doc told me around three years ago that if I didn't lose
weight I was in for Diabetes, I've only had chips/French fries about four
times, and small portions only, and absolutely none of my favourite fry-ups
at all - Sausalatas (Veggie sausages), chips, tomatoes, fried bread and
mushrooms! Now that's what you *call* self-control.
Really Steely Nemo!
Tim Bruening
nemo wrote:
> "Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
> news:45051067...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us...
> > Five years ago today, I was sleeping in my stepdad's vacation apartment
> > in Florida when he woke me up to tell me about the terrorist attacks on
> > the World Trade Center and Pentagon. I got the impression that the
> > White House was in danger too.
> >
> > Where were you that terrible day?
>
> Sitting here wondering why there was a scene of a building on fire on TV
> with a ticker along the bottom of the screen.
>
> I didn't have the sound turned on and thought it was just a film. Odd about
> the ticker though. In the end I turned up the sound and there it was in all
> its horror!
What did you usually watch?
What was the ticker saying? Shouldn't the words in the ticker have
tipped you off that something unusual was going on?
Tim Bruening
astri
i was starting my day, reading usenet and not having gotten around to
checking the news online. my husband called from his commute to say
that he had just turned on the news and heard that a plane had flown
into the wtc.
i spent the rest of the day numbly staring at the news online (don't
watch television). had to go to work, but did the same thing there. i
was 5 months pregnant and the thought that kept running through my mind
was: "i'm bringing a child into this world??????"
-- astri
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Dolphinius
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Tim Bruening wrote:
> > Seven years ago tomorrow, I was sleeping in my stepdad's vacation
> > apartment in Florida when he woke me up to tell me about the
> > terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. I got the
> > impression that the White House was in danger too.
>
> > Where were you that terrible day?
>
> i was starting my day, reading usenet and not having gotten around to
> checking the news online. my husband called from his commute to say
> that he had just turned on the news and heard that a plane had flown
> into the wtc.
>
> i spent the rest of the day numbly staring at the news online (don't
> watch television). had to go to work, but did the same thing there. i
> was 5 months pregnant and the thought that kept running through my mind
> was: "i'm bringing a child into this world??????"
At roughly the time it happened (2 pm UK time) I was at one of the
highest points in the centre of London.
I was on my own that day and didn't find out about it for about three
hours. I overheard snippets of conversations which told me that all
flights between the UK and USA had been cancelled, but nobody was
talking about exactly what happened.
I only found out any details when the first editions of the evening
papers were published and there was a very small stop-press
paragraph.
Dolphinius
(Male, mid-thirties, UK, self-diagnosed AS)
HGJ
> On 10 Sep, 18:31, astri <as...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Tim Bruening wrote:
> > > Seven years ago tomorrow, I was sleeping in my stepdad's vacation
> > > apartment in Florida when he woke me up to tell me about the
> > > terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. I got the
> > > impression that the White House was in danger too.
>
> > > Where were you that terrible day?
>
> > i was starting my day, reading usenet and not having gotten around to
> > checking the news online. my husband called from his commute to say
> > that he had just turned on the news and heard that a plane had flown
> > into the wtc.
>
> > i spent the rest of the day numbly staring at the news online (don't
> > watch television). had to go to work, but did the same thing there. i
> > was 5 months pregnant and the thought that kept running through my mind
> > was: "i'm bringing a child into this world??????"
>
> At roughly the time it happened (2 pm UK time) I was at one of the
> highest points in the centre of London.
The cucumber?
Dolphinius
No. That is not possible. The cucumber did not start to be constructed
until 2001 and was not finished until 2004.
Aquarian Monkey
I was on my way to work via subway. I was running late. At the stop
where I had to make my transfer, the train just never left and a new
one never came. I took out my cellphone to call work and let them know
I was going to be late. I couldn't get a dial tone. I saw other people
take out their cellphones, too. We all just started staring at each
other in silence and pretty soon, everyone was taking out their
cellphones. Within minutes, there was an uneasy feeling across the
entire platform and we all just stared at each other nervously. Of
course, none of us knew what had happened, but we all knew something
was wrong. Then a conductor came out and said he just got word that
someone had driven a plane into the WTC. I think we all initially
thought it was an accident. But then when he came back shortly
thereafter and said someone drove a plane into the second tower,
everyone knew. First there was silence. Then people started to cry. By
the time I was able to get to work the first tower had already come
down.
Next was a feeling of chaos. I have friends who work down there. Some
coworkers had friends and family down there. Was it over? Did I know
anyone? What was happening? What if I never saw my husband again?
I was 7 months pregnant with my first child. I wondered what kind of
world I was bringing my kid into. I heard horrible stories. Stories of
bravery. I wanted to go down and help, but due to my pregnancy it
wasn't feasible.
I am very lucky to say I live in NYC and the only people I "knew" who
died were through work and I only met them once or twice. We used a
consulting firm in the Towers and they didn't make it out. But most of
the people I know lost someone they knew or cared about.
Bob Badour
I was dressing for work and watching CNBC in the hotel room when the
news about the first plane hit the air. When I arrived at work, I heard
the news about the first tower collapse.
Later at lunch, I drove to the Highlawn Pavillian atop the Eagle Rock
bluffs overlooking the Passaic and Hudson rivers to watch the smoke
rising from Lower Manhattan.
Gareeth
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Tim Bruening wrote:
>
>> Where were you that terrible day?
>
> i was starting my day, reading usenet and not having gotten around to
> checking the news online. my husband called from his commute to say
> that he had just turned on the news and heard that a plane had flown
> into the wtc.
>
other and my sleep schedule was still fairly wonky. I turned the radio on
and they were reporting something strange was going on in New York but
didn't seem to have more details. I turned on the tv to see and kept it on
until the building collapsed. I went to bed at that point still not quite
sure what was going on.
At the time I was responsible for collecting one of the kids who lives here
from school. That was probably the worst part of the day as although he was
only in grade 4 his teacher had had the tv on all day in their room. I
thought that was inappropriate for that age group as the result of that was
one scared and confused kid. I spent the walk home trying to provide a
balanced view to what was happening as they had been watching the American
news mainly so he was full of extreme notions about the situation.
I didn't have a lot of emotions about the whole thing. For me it was
considerably worse down the road when war was a result.
Gareeth
Bob Badour
I am curious what you thought was extreme: 19 men holding 200 people
hostage while they flew them into buildings killing another 2800? Or the
news coverage?
How would one provide a balanced view about people preferring to jump
100 stories to their deaths instead of burning to death?
I really am curious about that.
Eva
"Aquarian Monkey" <Aquaria...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I live in NYC too (but not Manhattan). I used to come out of work every day
and see the skyline in the distance, dominated by the Twin Towers. On
9/11/01 I arrived at work a little after 9:00 a.m., late as usual and in a
bad mood. An excited co-worker accosted me as I emerged from the stairway
and said "A plane just crashed into the World Trade Center!" Assuming she
was talking about an accident, I snarled "So what?" and went on to my work
area, where the world proceeded to fall apart.
Eva
Eva
"Bob Badour" <bba...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
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>
> ....Later at lunch, I drove to the Highlawn Pavillian atop the Eagle Rock
> from Lower Manhattan.
I had forgotten about the smoke. It lingered in the air for a week. I live
near a bridge and every day I went out and sat on a bench staring at the
bridge to make sure it was still there.
When the U.S. went to war against Iraq, I admit I thought it was a good
idea. Even though I did not know anyone who was killed (I don't know all
that many people in general), I felt personally violated by the attack on my
home town.
I have since been disabused of the naive idea that invading Iraq was a good
thing, or had anything to do with the perpetrators of the terrorist attack.
Eva
Tim Bruening
September. If the Roman Emperors could rename months, why can't we?
Tim Bruening
How will you mark it?
Bob Badour
> The dread anniversary of 9/11 has come once against for the 7th time.
> How will you mark it?
By living.
Cybe R. Wizard
How will we mark it? Isn't it marketed enough already?
Cybe R. Wizard
--
Nice computers don't go down.
Larry Niven, Steven Barnes
"The Barsoom Project"
Andrew Floyd
I was on Yahoo! searching for a name to an address nearby, doing some
stuff on the net before I left to get money orders to pay a few bills
then go off to work. Returned to the home page and saw the headline
Plane Slams into WTC. And I thought Oh, ok. Couldn't have done much to
the World Trade Center, I thought. So I left the house, had Howard
Stern's show on the truck radio and they're just going nuts over what
they're seeing and hearing.
I get my money orders, rush home tell my mother what's going on (the
news wasn't on for some reason) and to dump a tape in my VCR (SLP speed
6 hour tape) and went off to work. (I wasn't late.)
We get bits and pieces of updates about what's been happening. Stern
stayed on the air until noon or so and in my opinion was the best ever
piece of radio broadcasting by any professional ever.
I was working in a fast food restaurant and getting increasingly pissed
off by the assholes still coming by the store and drive through to get
their fix of fast food fish while all this other stuff was going on!
People shoulda just stayed home and be concerned for once.
I still have the TV listings from that week, and as anyone can remember,
there was not much in the far as scheduled programming going on. The 2nd
Friday after 9/11 was that 2 hour benefit broadcast and I taped it on
our Hifi VCR in SP.
The tape I got to see when I returned home... I still have it.
I think we saved the newspaper from the 12th.
"Read this very carefully, I shall type this only once nyo!"
"There would be little point in typing it twice nyo!!" - 'Allo 'Allo nyo
"They make crayONs; do they make crayOFFs?"
Tim Bruening
"Sir F. A. Rien" wrote:
> "Cybe R. Wizard" <cybe_r_wizard@WizardsTower> found these unused words:
>
> >Bob Badour <bba...@pei.sympatico.ca> said:
> >> Tim Bruening wrote:
> >>
> >> > The dread anniversary of 9/11 has come once against for the 7th
> >> > time. How will you mark it?
> >>
> >> By living.
> >
> >How will we mark it? Isn't it marketed enough already?
> >
> Yep, just like the holocaust, it was a manufactured story ...
I saw the 2nd plane hit the WTC with my own two eyes!
Chris
> On Wed, 10 Sep 2008, Tim Bruening wrote:
>
>> Seven years ago tomorrow, I was sleeping in my stepdad's vacation
>> apartment in Florida when he woke me up to tell me about the
>> terrorist attacks on the World Trade Center and Pentagon. I got the
>> impression that the White House was in danger too.
>>
>> Where were you that terrible day?
>
> i was starting my day, reading usenet and not having gotten around to
> checking the news online. my husband called from his commute to say
> that he had just turned on the news and heard that a plane had flown
> into the wtc.
>
> i spent the rest of the day numbly staring at the news online (don't
> watch television). had to go to work, but did the same thing there.
> i was 5 months pregnant and the thought that kept running through my
> mind was: "i'm bringing a child into this world??????"
>
I woke up and turned on the radio and headed towards the bathroom. I don't
really listen that closely to the radio when I first woke up but I heard
them say a plane had flown into the twin towers. right at first I thought it
was a joke. that radio had done jokes before but then realized it wasn't. I
thought "how awful" and went into the bathroom to do my morning abolutions.
I think it was a crash. when I can out they said a plane had flown into the
2nd tower. I realized this was something much worse then a crash. I still
had cable then so I went and turned on the tv. :( I watched for quite some
time. I figured it didn't matter if I was late to work.
I thought about my grandma, she lived in florida but often visted NYC and
had been talking about going there. I wasn't sure if she was there or not. I
thought about my dad who'd just retired from the air force reserves and
wondered if they would call him back up. I finally started driving to work
and there was all kinds of confusion on the radio. they said there were more
planes flying towards DC. I wasn't sure what would happen to work. I work
for a municipality that has major security concerns. I was suprised when I
got there that there wasn't any additional security. not a lot of people had
even shown up. later the gates closed and work has never been the same.
--
"Being *able* to do something does not automatically imply that it is easy
or undemanding." - Terry
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Chris
:( living on the other coast I am very removed from it. I really feel for
people who were directly touched by what happened.
Chris
garbled. I think for a fourth grader it was certainly extreme. that doesn't
diminish the horror of what happened.
Gareeth
>
> I read what gareeth wrote as the news coverage. the news here was very
> garbled. I think for a fourth grader it was certainly extreme. that
> doesn't diminish the horror of what happened.
The news coverage was what I meant was extreme. I did not think it was an
apporpriate choice for children that young. He was 9 years old and couldn't
make sense of any of it and a lot of what was said was inflammatory and
inaccurate. As adults when we watch something of that magnitude happen we
know that the as it happens coverage will contain mistakes and be tinted by
emotion but children just soak it all in.
Gareeth
Dolphinius
> I didn't have a lot of emotions about the whole thing. For me it was
> considerably worse down the road when war was a result.
Are you referring to the US operations in Afghanistan and Iraq?
Or to the fictional "War on Terror"?
Gareeth
>> Are you referring to the US operations in Afghanistan and Iraq?
>
> Or to the fictional "War on Terror"?
>
anywhere. I don't like the whole War on Terror notion as it seems a bit
unlimited. Who knows what country will be next.
Gareeth
Dolphinius
I don't like the War on Terror because it isn't a War. Terrorists are
criminals not an organised army.
The operations in Afghanistan and Iraq are invasions, but it isn't
clear who we are fighting because the original governments in both
countries have dissolved and we are supporting the governments
currently in place. So to a large extent I see them more like
glorified policing operations.
The problem is that use of the term "War" instills a blinkered
attitude in many of the populace. It makes it easier for governments
to take liberties. They justify their actions on grounds of safety and
protecting the majority of the populace and this is often at the cost
of the minorities and at the cost of democracy and good government in
general since it serves to give bad governments a tool to help them
stay in power.
To my mind war is a situation where there is rationing and shortages,
where you are at risk of your home being bombed on an almost daily
basis. I accept that whenever I go into London there is a tiny
probability I will die of a terrorist attack (probably less than the
probability I will be mugged or stabbed or run over by a car, all of
which are not at all likely). It can happen. But even if I do it is
not war. We are not at war as far as I am concerned.
Bob Badour
By that standard, war almost did not exist at all prior to the 20th
century. I suppose a handful of seiges would have counted.
Dolphinius
> Dolphinius wrote:
> > To my mind war is a situation where there is rationing and shortages,
> > where you are at risk of your home being bombed on an almost daily
> > basis. I accept that whenever I go into London there is a tiny
> > probability I will die of a terrorist attack (probably less than the
> > probability I will be mugged or stabbed or run over by a car, all of
> > which are not at all likely). It can happen. But even if I do it is
> > not war. We are not at war as far as I am concerned.
>
> By that standard, war almost did not exist at all prior to the 20th
> century. I suppose a handful of seiges would have counted.
I see your point, and acknowledge that from (say) a British
perspective there was quite a difference between the Boer War and 2nd
World War. Maybe I tend to think of the latter as the more recent and
one where the British were attacked rather than doing the attacking in
some far off distant place.
However, taking those as examples, it seems there is quite a
difference in what is threatened by losing the war. In some types of
war you lose financially. In other types of war you lose your liberty
and possibly suffer abuse.
If "war" is to be defined in a wider way, I would have more sympathy
with the term "War on Terror" if we also had a "War on Man-Made
Climate Change", "War on Global Poverty", "War on Inequality" etc.
Andrew Floyd
"living on the other coast I am very removed from it. I really feel for
people who were directly touched by what happened."
I feel compelled to add that Flight 93 that crashed in PA also went over
NE Ohio, and when we saw the precise flight path, could have easily
crashed in my town had it crashed earlier than it did.
Had lots of international penpals emailing to find out if we were OK.
toto
<dolph...@fsmail.net> wrote:
>If "war" is to be defined in a wider way, I would have more sympathy
>with the term "War on Terror" if we also had a "War on Man-Made
>Climate Change", "War on Global Poverty", "War on Inequality" etc.
In the US, the government has a *war on drugs* and a *war on poverty*
(only during the Johnson Administration though)
--
Dorothy
There is no sound, no cry in all the world
that can be heard unless someone listens ..
The Outer Limits
toto
<Aquaria...@gmail.com> wrote:
>I was 7 months pregnant with my first child. I wondered what kind of
>world I was bringing my kid into. I heard horrible stories. Stories of
>bravery. I wanted to go down and help, but due to my pregnancy it
>wasn't feasible.
The guerilla rescue workers we never hear about are profiled here. I
have an online friend who was one of them.
http://www.sailstjohn.com/TONY.htm
The volunteers also started September Space which ran for 6 years and
is no longer needed
http://www.worldcares.org/septemberspacefarewell
Bob Badour
> On Sat, 13 Sep 2008 17:52:26 -0700 (PDT), Dolphinius
> <dolph...@fsmail.net> wrote:
>
>>If "war" is to be defined in a wider way, I would have more sympathy
>>with the term "War on Terror" if we also had a "War on Man-Made
>>Climate Change", "War on Global Poverty", "War on Inequality" etc.
>
> In the US, the government has a *war on drugs* and a *war on poverty*
> (only during the Johnson Administration though)
Don't forget Nixon's war on cancer.
Tim Bruening
attacks in Mumbai, India. Terrorists are still holding hostages.
Tim Bruening
Might Al-Qaida have infiltrated the CIA, accounting for the
communications failures?
Bob Badour
Never attribute to malice what one can explain with stupidity.
--
is there something in it for them, like maybe bailouts, if they can
panic us into doing something politically to cover them?
November 19, 2007 - John S Bolton
Nemo
"Tim Bruening" <tsbr...@pop.dcn.davis.ca.us> wrote in message
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> The father of the suspect warned the CIA that his son might be trouble.
>
> Might Al-Qaida have infiltrated the CIA, accounting for the
> communications failures?
The'd infiltrate the CIA to *pay* for the communication failures?????
Nemo
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
>> The father of the suspect warned the CIA that his son might be trouble.
>>
>> Might Al-Qaida have infiltrated the CIA, accounting for the
>> communications failures?
>
> Never attribute to malice what one can explain with stupidity.
With Dubbaya the Shrub, it was both! - and to a great eggs' tent!
Sane people keep em in a refrigerator. He kept em in a tent!
Tim Bruening
Bob Badour wrote:
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> > The father of the suspect warned the CIA that his son might be trouble.
> >
> > Might Al-Qaida have infiltrated the CIA, accounting for the
> > communications failures?
>
> Never attribute to malice what one can explain with stupidity.
I do remember something about an Al-Qaida double agent infiltrating a CIA
base in Afghanistan and blowing himself up.
Nemo
>
>
> Bob Badour wrote:
>
>> Tim Bruening wrote:
>>
>> > The father of the suspect warned the CIA that his son might be trouble.
>> >
>> > Might Al-Qaida have infiltrated the CIA, accounting for the
>> > communications failures?
>>
>> Never attribute to malice what one can explain with stupidity.
Uhhhhlo! Iyy'm der famous Eccles!
>
> I do remember something about an Al-Qaida double agent infiltrating a CIA
> base in Afghanistan and blowing himself up.
>
Killed quite a few soldiers and civilians he did. And he was well-liked and
trusted!
Tim Bruening
Bob Badour wrote:
> Tim Bruening wrote:
>
> > The father of the suspect warned the CIA that his son might be trouble.
> >
> > Might Al-Qaida have infiltrated the CIA, accounting for the
> > communications failures?
>
> Never attribute to malice what one can explain with stupidity.
I do remember something about an Al-Qaida double agent infiltrating a
Bob Badour
Indeed. The CIA agents at the base were stupid -- not harbouring some
secret malice toward themselves and the USA.
Al-Quaida's malice is overt and coarse. They don't put moles inside the
CIA hiding for years just to divert a few key communications. If they
get anywhere near the CIA, they blow shit up.