Vaccines and Neurological Damage
rpautrey2
http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm
Vaccines and Neurological Damage
Vaccinations are very neurotoxic and have been associated with many
neurological disorders, like encephalopathies, epilepsy, convulsions,
ADD, LD, autism, mental retardation, depression, anxiety, CNS
disorders, paralysis, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, nerve deafness,
blindness and SIDS. The neurological disorders associated with
vaccinations are diverse and numerous. Vaccinations lower IQ as well
as contribute to the overt mental disorders and neurological diseases
listed here. The relationship of vaccinations to encephalopathies and
neurological diseases have been surfacing in medical journals since
the advent of mass vaccination programs. Autism was unheard of before
vaccinations, and parallel mass vaccination programs very nicely. ADD
and learning disorders in children are now being traced to childhood
vaccinations, as well as convulsions, paralysis, and epilepsy. Brain
damage is by far the most common adverse reaction associated with
vaccinations, although their actual numbers are not often reported
correctly.
List of Vaccination-induced Neurological disorders:
••••Meningitis Paralysis
•Paralytis polio
•Ms Gullain Barre Syndrome
••Hyperactivity - ADD, LD
•Demyelinization diseases
•Auto-immune Diseases Epilepsy
•Convulsions - Seizures
•••••Mental confusion - lowered IQ
•Brain tumors (SV-40)
This list was generated from a variety of resources and is not, by any
means, all inclusive.
The encephalopathies associated with vaccinations may range from overt
neurological disease to high pitched crying (commonly seen after
vaccination), which is not often recognized as brain damage. In other
words, the child is just "reacting to the needle". It is "normal" to
be afraid of shots. But what they are missing is the diagnosis of
overt neuropathy, encephalitis or brain dysfunction, because high
pitched crying is not normal. Brain damage from vaccines is epidemic
and yet, doctors are slow to diagnose neurological disorders (in US)
when vaccinations are at stake but we see many citations linking
changes (for the worse) after vaccinations are given.
Ted Koren, DC stated, "Dyslexia, minimal brain damage, ADD, autism,
allergies, visual and many other neurologic diseases grouped together
as "developmental disabilities," barely existed before mass
vaccination programs. Probably twenty percent of American children-one
youngster in five-suffers from a 'developmental disability.' This is a
stupefying figure Developmental disabilities" are nearly always
generated by encephalitis. And the primary cause of encephalitis in
the United States and other industrialized countries is the childhood
vaccination program. To be specific, a large proportion of the
millions of U.S. children and adults suffering from autism, seizures,
mental retardation, hyperactivity, dyslexia, and other developmental
disabilities, owe their disorders to one or another of the vaccines
against childhood diseases." [Emphasis mine.]
Some 40-50 years ago children were not vaccinated until they were
ready for the first grade at age 6. Neurological disorders were very
uncommon then. Today, children are vaccinated at birth for HiB and
begin their long vaccination-journey at 2 months of age, before the
blood brain barrier is fully developed. A review of the medical
literature around the world will turn up many articles linking
vaccinations with many neurological disorders. Before the 1940s,
autism was extremely rare or unheard of. Then in the mid-1940s we
began a massive vaccination programs and autism was "born". At first,
it only occurred in the children of wealthy parents, since
vaccinations were not free or government sponsored like today. Later
autism became a disease of all classes (with government-sponsored
vaccine programs). The psychiatrists had a hay-day with autism and at
first they called it the "Refrigerator-Mother Syndrome". They said the
mother had a "cold" heart causing the child to be autistic and
withdrawn. Yet, studies did not support this theory, since many
families had only one autistic child among several normal children.
The point they missed was that it was the Doctor's cold needles that
caused the problem, not the mother's cold heart.
"The strongest link was between measles virus antibodies and anti-MBP,
suggesting that exposure to the measles virus may cause the immune
systems of children with autism to attack myelin," Singh said.
Children with autism produce anti-bodies against their own brain,
making autism an auto-immune condition. "Singh compiled a
nonscientific, anecdotal survey of 88 autistic children whose families
have contacted him. Of those, 51 percent said symptoms of autism began
shortly after the MMR vaccination, and 36 percent said the problems
started days after the DPT shot." Anecdotal evidence over-whelmingly
points to vaccines as causing autism. The connect between autism and
vaccinations can not be denied.
The pertussis vaccine is very neurotoxic and is used in the laboratory
to produce brain lesions in lab animals for study. But if our child
develops brain problems after a DPT vaccination, our doctor will tell
us it is coincidence or genetic. Vaccinations have been known to
increase the demyelination, a process related to many neurologic
diseases and MS is a demyelination disease. Myelin is designed to
protect the outer coating of neurons, much like the plastic outer
coating over an electrical wire. When this myelin is damaged,
neurological disorders, such as, MS, paralysis, or ALS, will result.
(Singh mentioned autism as a result of demyelination disorder.) The
nerves are short-circuited and do not function normally.
The encephalitis form vaccinations is much more prevalent than we
would like to realize, since all vaccines are neurotoxic to begin
with. That one child develops encephalopathies from a vaccine and
another remains "normal" is not the issue. All children are affected,
but some are affected more than others. For example, if a child
develops uncontrolled high pitched crying after a vaccine is given,
that is written off as a normal reaction and is even listed in medical
texts as such. But if that same child has a slower speech development,
slower learning (which is so common today), or slower ability in
walking, who would know. Unvaccinated children walk sooner, talk
sooner, and have a high degree of manual dexterity at an earlier age.
Their minds are not assaulted by the neurotoxins that most "normal"
children receive. Vaccinations cause the brain to swell and that is
"encephalitis", regardless of diagnosis. During the period after
vaccines are given children often lose their soft spot in their
cranium, as the swelling increases. Why would one's brain swell after
vaccines were given? The four points of infection are pain (dolor),
redness (color), fever (rubor) and swelling (tumor). Infections of the
brain might produce these same points too.
mindy
Well done! Be prepared for an attack for being so brave. I only have
one objection, and I'm not worried about the attacks to come, because
I've already been attacked on here for this very statement... "In MY
son's case" I KNOW that vaccines were not the cause of his ASD
because... (shame on me) he has never been vaccinated. That is not to
say I don't believe that it may play a significant part in someone
elses case.
Children in the US are bombarded at a much younger age and with a
higher number of vaccines than children in any other country in the
world! I think it would be wiser and safer if they were given later
in childhood and not so many viruses in each shot. I've also read
somewhere(when I find the site I'll post a link)that in certain
countries they pasteurize or heat the vaccines in the making of them,
which would help get rid of the contaminates that might be in them
which adds a level of safety. If the US has started doing this as
well, I would love to know about it. As of today, I have not found
anything online that says they do.
Keep up the good research and thank you for sharing this information.
Mark Probert
Posting a Mercola article is the antithesis of bravery. It is just
lazy and dumb.
Most of Mercola's drivel is designed to help him sell something from
his commercial website.
I only have
> one objection, and I'm not worried about the attacks to come, because
> I've already been attacked on here for this very statement... "In MY
> son's case" I KNOW that vaccines were not the cause of his ASD
> because... (shame on me) he has never been vaccinated.
Oh, so you admit you are a parasite.
That is not to
> say I don't believe that it may play a significant part in someone
> elses case.
Your beliefs are meaningless.
>
> Children in the US are bombarded at a much younger age and with a
> higher number of vaccines than children in any other country in the
> world!
While the number of vaccines has increased, the number of antigens has
decreased. Thus, less stimulus to the immune system.
I think it would be wiser and safer if they were given later
> in childhood and not so many viruses in each shot.
Not all shots have a full virus. Some just the antigens.
I've also read
> somewhere(when I find the site I'll post a link)that in certain
> countries they pasteurize or heat the vaccines in the making of them,
> which would help get rid of the contaminates that might be in them
> which adds a level of safety. If the US has started doing this as
> well, I would love to know about it. As of today, I have not found
> anything online that says they do.
Have you found anything to prove your claim.
>
> Keep up the good research and thank you for sharing this information.-
Mercola is NOT good research. It is not even bad research.
Terry Jones
wrote:
>Well done! Be prepared for an attack for being so brave.
Unfortunately courage has no bearing on whether a belief is right or
not. The Nazi military were just as courageous as those of the Allies,
suicide bombers are "brave" enough to sacrifice their lives for their
beliefs, as were those who flew the planes into the World Trade
Center.
>I only have
>one objection, and I'm not worried about the attacks to come, because
>I've already been attacked on here for this very statement... "In MY
>son's case" I KNOW that vaccines were not the cause of his ASD
>because... (shame on me) he has never been vaccinated.
My "personal experience" objection is that as a late diagnosed
autistic (dx at age 52), and knowing others in similar circumstances,
I know that at least part of the "epidemic" is false - People with so
called "higher functioning" autism were simply not recognised, and now
they are.
[I would also note that I suffered from, but fortunately survived
largely unscathed, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, and had a
friend at school who survived but had long term damage from polio.]
The previous poster rightly notes that there have been previous false
"causes" of autism such as the "Refrigerator Mother" theory - But
fails to go on and apply the same logic to his? own theories.
Their resorting to emotive language such as "the Doctor's cold
needles" is suggestive of an argument which doesn't stand up well on
its' own merits alone.
>Children in the US are bombarded at a much younger age and with a
>higher number of vaccines than children in any other country in the
>world!
Is that really the case, or does it just feel like that to people who
live there? - A quick look at the WHO / UNICEF numbers suggests that
may not be the situation (caveat, I haven't done any detailed
number-crunching). And since they're trying to promote "western"
standards of vaccination worldwide, it seems unlikely that they would
underreport.
>I think it would be wiser and safer if they were given later
>in childhood and not so many viruses in each shot.
Except that nature doesn't wait on our convenience - The numbers vary,
but about 1 in every 3 children dying *in their first year* seems to
be the average for 19th century Britain.
(Of course we have the advantage of piped water and sewage systems,
but there are a lot of non-waterborne diseases too).
[And for those who espouse an inflammatory model of autism, I wonder
about the inflammatory effects of chronic infections and parasites?]
--
Terry
Gareeth
> > Is that really the case, or does it just feel like that to people who
> live there? - A quick look at the WHO / UNICEF numbers suggests that
> may not be the situation (caveat, I haven't done any detailed
> number-crunching). And since they're trying to promote "western"
> standards of vaccination worldwide, it seems unlikely that they would
> underreport.
>
absoloutely no impact on the incidence of autism. Other countries have also
tried spacing them out more or breaking them up and again there is no change
found. The people who believe that it is the vaccines however will cling to
that notion in the face of a mounting body of evidence of a lack of
relation. That would be fine if it wasn't resulting in an increase in
unvaccinated people to the point where herd immunity is dropping to
unacceptable levels and children are once again dying of diseases they could
have and should have been protected against.
Gareeth
Stephen Wilson
"Terry Jones" <terry...@beeb.net> wrote in message
news:969u3519tbrks5jvl...@4ax.com...
>
>>I think it would be wiser and safer if they were given later
>>in childhood and not so many viruses in each shot.
>
> Except that nature doesn't wait on our convenience - The numbers vary,
> but about 1 in every 3 children dying *in their first year* seems to
> be the average for 19th century Britain.
>
> (Of course we have the advantage of piped water and sewage systems,
> but there are a lot of non-waterborne diseases too).
>
> [And for those who espouse an inflammatory model of autism, I wonder
> about the inflammatory effects of chronic infections and parasites?]
The fact right now is that we don't know what causes autism. However, we do
know what causes mumps, rubella and measles.
We don't know how to prevent a child from being autistic. We do know how to
stop them getting measles, mumps and rubella.
Maybe, in a few years, someone will work out that there are a particular set
of genes that are responsible. If that is the case (and it doesn't seem
unlikely to me), I wonder how many of the people who today blame
vaccinations would have chosen to have their babies aborted if the faulty
gene(s) had been detected in them prior to birth?
Mark Probert
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:52:07 -0700 (PDT), mindy <UsRc...@gmail.com>
One of the logical inconsistencies of those who promote the failed
"vaccines cause Autism" myth is that they cannot explain why a vaccine
would cause something that getting the disease does not. I know that
they whine about the "toxins", etc. but all of those chemicals are
natural to the human body to one degree or another.
And, of course, in classic goal post shifting, they now claim "too
many, too soon" not realizing that there are now fewer antigens in the
vaccine schedule than before.
Mark Probert
<stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> "Terry Jones" <terryjo...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>
> news:969u3519tbrks5jvl...@4ax.com...
>
>
>
> >>I think it would be wiser and safer if they were given later
> >>in childhood and not so many viruses in each shot.
>
> > Except that nature doesn't wait on our convenience - The numbers vary,
> > but about 1 in every 3 children dying *in their first year* seems to
> > be the average for 19th century Britain.
>
> > (Of course we have the advantage of piped water and sewage systems,
> > but there are a lot of non-waterborne diseases too).
>
> > [And for those who espouse an inflammatory model of autism, I wonder
> > about the inflammatory effects of chronic infections and parasites?]
>
> The fact right now is that we don't know what causes autism. However, we do
> know what causes mumps, rubella and measles.
There is ample evdience that genetics plays a major role.
> We don't know how to prevent a child from being autistic. We do know how to
> stop them getting measles, mumps and rubella.
Quite true. More and more these days, one method is staying away from
the anti-vaccination parasites.
> Maybe, in a few years, someone will work out that there are a particular set
> of genes that are responsible. If that is the case (and it doesn't seem
> unlikely to me), I wonder how many of the people who today blame
> vaccinations would have chosen to have their babies aborted if the faulty
> gene(s) had been detected in them prior to birth?
That is a scary thought. The way the anti-vaccinationist speak of
their autistic children, I am surprised that more of them do not do
post-birth abortion.
rpautrey2
>
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Vaccines and Neurological Damage
http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm
http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm
mindy
>
> - Show quoted text -
Here is a link. There are thousands more if you just google it.
mindy
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And here is another.... http://www.nvic.org/nvic-archives/testimony.aspx
Of course, there is little to nothing saying vaccine's cause ASD, I've
never claimed they do.
drcee
> One of the logical inconsistencies of those who promote the failed
> "vaccines cause Autism" myth is that they cannot explain why a vaccine
> would cause something that getting the disease does not.
Uhmm, Pervert, the disease does not contain mercury, aluminum,
squalene, other aduvants, vicarious genetic material, all injected
into the living organism and bypassing the normal protective
mechanisms.
I know that
> they whine about the "toxins", etc. but all of those chemicals are
> natural to the human body to one degree or another.
Mercury is not natural to the body. Aluminum is not natural to the
body. Injected squalene is treated as a foriegn chemical as is all
the other ingredients.
Your perverted comments are as perverted as you are.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. You can
make a heck of a lot of money trying as our monopoly docs (MDs) prove.
mindy
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Foreign DNA from monkey kidneys is not natural to the human body,
unless of course someone in your past family tree conceived from
practicing beastiality. Which I doubt happened.
Then there is the mercury, the aluminum, and a long list of other
contaminates including unknown monkey viruses, like what happened with
polio and the SV40 virus, which by the way was named SV40 because it
was the 40th monkey virus found contaminating vaccinesl.
And to top it off, all these things, along with combinations of
between 2 - 8 viruses are all injected into infants bodies, causing
inflamation, fever, localized swelling, just to name a few of the
minor reactions.
If vaccines do not cause neurological issues, then why has the US
government set up a fund to pay out to those who are injured by
vaccines?
Mark Probert
Hi Pus-4-Brains.
I should point out that you have claimed to have received your
education on Mars.
You have never demonstrated the slightest understanding of human
physiology, or any other scientific field of study. If you were an
astronomer, you would deny gravity.
Buzzard
> mindy <UsR...@gmail.com> wrote:
>(s9nip)
> [And for those who espouse an inflammatory model of autism, I wonder
> about the inflammatory effects of chronic infections and parasites?]
Are there any studies being done that are not
in some way paid for or influenced by those who
have already decided what the outcome shall be?
Are there URLs to articles on those studies?
Mark Probert
Who said that there is any of this in vaccines?
> unless of course someone in your past family tree conceived from
> practicing beastiality. Which I doubt happened.
Well, considering your posts, I do not share your doubts.
> Then there is the mercury, the aluminum,
Both found in the environment, and in the human body without
considering any from vaccines. Anyway, there is no thimerosal in the
full range of childhood vaccines, so the point is moot.
and a long list of other
> contaminates including unknown monkey viruses,
You know there are unknown viruses? That sounds just plain stupid.
like what happened with
> polio and the SV40 virus, which by the way was named SV40 because it
> was the 40th monkey virus found contaminating vaccinesl.
Oh? That is news to the rest of the real world. Maybe not yours, but,
you have never shown any connection with reality.
> And to top it off, all these things, along with combinations of
> between 2 - 8 viruses are all injected into infants bodies, causing
> inflamation, fever, localized swelling, just to name a few of the
> minor reactions.
Hmm...did you read the word "antigen"? Also, side effects are
extraordinarily rare and far milder than getting the actual disease.
You are too young to know what it was like when these diseases ran
rampant. If that returns, I will not stand in your way of getting a
clue and rescuing your children from your former negligence.
> If vaccines do not cause neurological issues, then why has the US
> government set up a fund to pay out to those who are injured by
> vaccines?-
Simple. They wanted to limit the number of frivolous lawsuits against
the manufacturers since that would dry up research and no progress to
future safety will be made. In no way what-so-ever is the fund a
concession of your point.
mindy
>
>
>
>
>
> <stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > "Terry Jones" <terryjo...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:969u3519tbrks5jvl...@4ax.com...
>
> > >>I think it would be wiser and safer if they were given later
> > >>in childhood and not so many viruses in each shot.
>
> > > Except that nature doesn't wait on our convenience - The numbers vary,
> > > but about 1 in every 3 children dying *in their first year* seems to
> > > be the average for 19th century Britain.
>
> > > (Of course we have the advantage of piped water and sewage systems,
> > > but there are a lot of non-waterborne diseases too).
>
> > > [And for those who espouse an inflammatory model of autism, I wonder
> > > about the inflammatory effects of chronic infections and parasites?]
>
> > The fact right now is that we don't know what causes autism. However, we do
> > know what causes mumps, rubella and measles.
>
> There is ample evdience that genetics plays a major role.
>
> > We don't know how to prevent a child from being autistic. We do know how to
> > stop them getting measles, mumps and rubella.
>
> Quite true. More and more these days, one method is staying away from
> the anti-vaccination parasites.
If you are vaccinated, then why would you need to stay away from those
who aren't? Unvaccinated children do not carry the diseases and give
them to vaccinated children. But, vaccinated children in the weeks
that follow a vaccination can pass the diseases to unvaccinated
children. Thus the term 'herd immunity'.
>
> > Maybe, in a few years, someone will work out that there are a particular set
> > of genes that are responsible. If that is the case (and it doesn't seem
> > unlikely to me), I wonder how many of the people who today blame
> > vaccinations would have chosen to have their babies aborted if the faulty
> > gene(s) had been detected in them prior to birth?
Unfortunately, probably quite a few. Just like with Down's Syndrome.
>
> That is a scary thought. The way the anti-vaccinationist speak of
> their autistic children, I am surprised that more of them do not do
> post-birth abortion.- Hide quoted text -
My 10yr old is the only one out of my 4 to have ASD. He is the
sweetest, most caring, intelligent and creative one out of the 4. We
as a family have adapted to him and his behaviors not forcing him into
ABA or any other type of therapy. He is slower than the rest of his
class but this year in school, he made the most improvement of all his
class. I couldn't be more proud.
mindy
This link has the aactual 'minutes' to a hearing done by gov't
officials questioning witnesses...
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=108_house_hearings&docid=f:91047.wais
>
> > And to top it off, all these things, along with combinations of
> > between 2 - 8 viruses are all injected into infants bodies, causing
> > inflamation, fever, localized swelling, just to name a few of the
> > minor reactions.
>
> Hmm...did you read the word "antigen"? Also, side effects are
> extraordinarily rare and far milder than getting the actual disease.
> You are too young to know what it was like when these diseases ran
> rampant. If that returns, I will not stand in your way of getting a
> clue and rescuing your children from your former negligence.
>
> > If vaccines do not cause neurological issues, then why has the US
> > government set up a fund to pay out to those who are injured by
> > vaccines?-
>
> Simple. They wanted to limit the number of frivolous lawsuits against
> the manufacturers since that would dry up research and no progress to
> future safety will be made. In no way what-so-ever is the fund a
> concession of your point.- Hide quoted text -
Mark Probert
> On Jun 22, 3:22 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 3:36 pm, "Stephen Wilson"
>
> > <stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote:
> > > "Terry Jones" <terryjo...@beeb.net> wrote in message
>
> > >news:969u3519tbrks5jvl...@4ax.com...
>
> > > >>I think it would be wiser and safer if they were given later
> > > >>in childhood and not so many viruses in each shot.
>
> > > > Except that nature doesn't wait on our convenience - The numbers vary,
> > > > but about 1 in every 3 children dying *in their first year* seems to
> > > > be the average for 19th century Britain.
>
> > > > (Of course we have the advantage of piped water and sewage systems,
> > > > but there are a lot of non-waterborne diseases too).
>
> > > > [And for those who espouse an inflammatory model of autism, I wonder
> > > > about the inflammatory effects of chronic infections and parasites?]
>
> > > The fact right now is that we don't know what causes autism. However, we do
> > > know what causes mumps, rubella and measles.
>
> > There is ample evdience that genetics plays a major role.
>
> > > We don't know how to prevent a child from being autistic. We do know how to
> > > stop them getting measles, mumps and rubella.
>
> > Quite true. More and more these days, one method is staying away from
> > the anti-vaccination parasites.
>
> If you are vaccinated, then why would you need to stay away from those
> who aren't?
Because nothing, including vaccines, are 100% effective. A person may
not have had a good immune response, and they would catch the wild
virus.
Unvaccinated children do not carry the diseases and give
> them to vaccinated children.
Horseshit. It has happened, especially in cases where full immunity
requires a course of a particular vaccine.
But, vaccinated children in the weeks
> that follow a vaccination can pass the diseases to unvaccinated
> children.
No, it does not happen. I have search high and low for a well
documented case of that happening, and could not find one.
> Thus the term 'herd immunity'.
Wrong. Herd immunity is when a sufficient number of people in a
population are vaccinated and the disease has great difficulty being
passed from person to person. It is what parasites, freeloaders, and
negligent parents rely on to sooth their guilt when their kid gets a
disease and is damaged by it. They then claim that herd immunity was
not perfect.
> > > Maybe, in a few years, someone will work out that there are a particular set
> > > of genes that are responsible. If that is the case (and it doesn't seem
> > > unlikely to me), I wonder how many of the people who today blame
> > > vaccinations would have chosen to have their babies aborted if the faulty
> > > gene(s) had been detected in them prior to birth?
>
> Unfortunately, probably quite a few. Just like with Down's Syndrome.
And those people justify their actions because of the rhetoric of the
anti-vaccination liars.
> > That is a scary thought. The way the anti-vaccinationist speak of
> > their autistic children, I am surprised that more of them do not do
> > post-birth abortion.- Hide quoted text -
>
> My 10yr old is the only one out of my 4 to have ASD. He is the
> sweetest, most caring, intelligent and creative one out of the 4. We
> as a family have adapted to him and his behaviors not forcing him into
> ABA or any other type of therapy.
So, you deny vaccination safety and treatment to your children. No
wonder I think you are negligent. ABA is a proven treatment.
He is slower than the rest of his
> class but this year in school, he made the most improvement of all his
> class. I couldn't be more proud.
Yeah.
Happy Oyster
>
>Vaccines and Neurological Damage
>http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm
>
>Vaccinations are very neurotoxic and have been associated with many
>neurological disorders, like encephalopathies, epilepsy, convulsions,
>ADD, LD, autism, mental retardation, depression, anxiety, CNS
>disorders, paralysis, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, nerve deafness,
>blindness and SIDS.
Mercola is a very dangerous charlatan who makes big friendship with nearly every
quackery he can get his hands on.
The FTC is on his heels, and it already put the thumbs down on him.
--
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Happy Oyster
>Mercury is not natural to the body.
And measles are not natural to the body.
Happy Oyster
>And to top it off, all these things, along with combinations of
>between 2 - 8 viruses are all injected into infants bodies, causing
>inflamation, fever, localized swelling, just to name a few of the
>minor reactions.
That is a good choice to take, compared with dying.
>If vaccines do not cause neurological issues, then why has the US
>government set up a fund to pay out to those who are injured by
>vaccines?
Not all pupils sent to school are bright.
Not does the school make them bright.
That is those who claim such a nonsense.
t
"Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wils...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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mindy
>
> - Show quoted text -
Hey Mark... I came across this... and I do believe they are talking
about YOU!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/f569f86c8ed22f4e
I should have figured you for a troll.
mindy
> Sick minds need to justify vaccines."Stephen Wilson" <stephen.wilson2004nos...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
>
> news:l3R%l.20002$Fg2....@newsfe08.ams2...
I agree... but you can't blame them... they are suffering from 'herd'
mentality as well as 'herd immunity'... ya, right.
oh, and your link did not work for me.
>
>
>
>
>
> > "Terry Jones" <terryjo...@beeb.net> wrote in message
> >news:969u3519tbrks5jvl...@4ax.com...
>
> >>>I think it would be wiser and safer if they were given later
> >>>in childhood and not so many viruses in each shot.
>
> >> Except that nature doesn't wait on our convenience - The numbers vary,
> >> but about 1 in every 3 children dying *in their first year* seems to
> >> be the average for 19th century Britain.
>
> >> (Of course we have the advantage of piped water and sewage systems,
> >> but there are a lot of non-waterborne diseases too).
>
> >> [And for those who espouse an inflammatory model of autism, I wonder
> >> about the inflammatory effects of chronic infections and parasites?]
>
> > The fact right now is that we don't know what causes autism. However, we
> > do know what causes mumps, rubella and measles.
>
> > We don't know how to prevent a child from being autistic. We do know how
> > to stop them getting measles, mumps and rubella.
>
> > Maybe, in a few years, someone will work out that there are a particular
> > set of genes that are responsible. If that is the case (and it doesn't
> > seem unlikely to me), I wonder how many of the people who today blame
> > vaccinations would have chosen to have their babies aborted if the faulty
> > gene(s) had been detected in them prior to birth?- Hide quoted text -
mindy
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
> Citing his web page isn't not evidence.
How about the US gov't and witnesses from vaccine manufacturers?
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=108_house_hearings&docid=f:91047.wais
>
> <snip>
>
> --
> Bob Officer
> Posting the truthhttp://www.skeptics.com.au- Hide quoted text -
Bob Badour
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT), drcee <drce...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>>Mercury is not natural to the body.
>
> And measles are not natural to the body.
Actually, both are or can be quite natural to the body just as snake
venom is natural, smallpox is natural, bubonic plague is natural,
getting eaten by bears is natural. The idea that natural is good is just
as nuts as the cranks who cross-post this crap.
Bob Badour
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 17:36:11 -0700 (PDT), mindy <UsR...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>And to top it off, all these things, along with combinations of
>>between 2 - 8 viruses are all injected into infants bodies, causing
>>inflamation, fever, localized swelling, just to name a few of the
>>minor reactions.
>
> That is a good choice to take, compared with dying.
I had 4 vaccinations tonight. It was a single vaccine spread over 4
sites given in rapid succession. Did they cause inflammation? Oh hell
yeah! My legs are aching something awful.
Plus I had an immune globulin injection, and that hurts a little too.
As painful as it is to me personally right now, I wholeheartedly
recommend vaccination over death.
>>If vaccines do not cause neurological issues, then why has the US
>>government set up a fund to pay out to those who are injured by
>>vaccines?
Because in some very, very rare instances, vaccines can trigger an
existing neurological issue just by causing a mild fever. The US
government compensates those individuals and their families; even
though, a case of the common cold--let alone a more serious disease like
the ones vaccinated against--would almost certainly eventually cause an
even higher fever with even greater resulting injury from the condition.
They are very nice that way. But then again, they are us. The government
of the US operates by, for and of the people of the US.
<snip>
Jan Drew
"Bob Officer" <bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote in message
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> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
>
> Citing his web page isn't not evidence.
>
Restored plus studies.
http://www.newstarget.com/z020866.html
NewsTarget.com printable article
Originally published October 24 2006
Four people die after flu vaccination shots
(NewsTarget) Four people died after being injected with the flu vaccine, the
Health Ministry of Israel reported yesterday. Before receiving the flu
inoculations, three of the four individuals were suffering from several
chronic ailments, including heart disease and diabetes. A fourth
recipient -- a 67-year-old man -- suffered from serious heart disease. He
was found dead on a city street a few hours after receiving the flu vaccine
shot from his wife, a dentist.
The flu vaccine in question was made and distributed by the French
pharmaceutical firm Sanofi-Aventis. Sanofi-Aventis markets the vaccine all
over the world, and it was determined that all four deaths occurred in
people who had been inoculated with vaccine from the same series made by the
company.
The Health Ministry of Israel said Sunday that Sanofi-Aventis had been asked
whether unexplained fatalities had been reported in any other country. An
answer to this question was expected Monday, but if no other reports are
uncovered, inoculations will be allowed to continue, according to Israeli
Health Minister Ben-Yizri.
The Israeli Health Ministry has begun looking into possible sources of
contamination -- but so far none have been found in the actual vaccine. At
this time, 140,000 people have been inoculated. The Health Ministry has
started an investigation into the medical team at the Kiryat Gat clinic
where three of the four victims received their flu shots from the same
nurse.
However, the head of the national center for disease monitoring in the
Health Ministry -- Professor Manfred Green -- reassured a cautious public
this past Sunday by stating that there may be a simple statistical
explanation for the four deaths, by saying "About 100 people die every day
in Israel from chronic diseases. These four individuals could be part of
that group."
Yitzhak Berlovitch, deputy director of the Health Ministry, stated that no
cases have ever been documented in Israel of deaths after flu inoculations.
There had not yet been any autopsies performed on the four victims because
"the Health Ministry has no justification for doing so," according to
Berlovitch.
Neurochemical hypothesis: participation by aluminum in producing critical
mass of colocalized errors in brain leads to neurological disease.
Joshi JG.
Department of Biochemistry, University of Tennessee, Knoxville 37996-0840.
1. Aluminum is an established neurotoxin. Prolonged exposure to even low
levels of aluminum permit its chelation and subsequent transport to brain
where it is non-uniformly distributed. 2. Available evidence suggests that
(i) aluminum interferes with glucose metabolism by inhibiting hexokinase and
glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase; (ii) it binds to calmodulin and affects
numerous phosphorylation-dephosphorylation reactions; (iii) it binds to
transferrin and ferritin, affects the function of these proteins which in
turn affect iron metabolism. 3. Thus accumulation of aluminum-induced
metabolic errors colocalized in specific areas of the brain may lead to
neurological disorders.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11470325&query_hl=11&itool=pubmed_DocSum
>
>
>
> --
> Bob Officer
Posting advertising and lies deleted.
Jan Drew
"Mark Probert" <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 22, 7:45 pm, drcee <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 5:41 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > One of the logical inconsistencies of those who promote the failed
> > "vaccines cause Autism" myth is that they cannot explain why a vaccine
> > would cause something that getting the disease does not.
>
> Uhmm, Pervert, the disease does not contain mercury, aluminum,
> squalene, other aduvants, vicarious genetic material, all injected
> into the living organism and bypassing the normal protective
> mechanisms.
>
> I know that
>
> > they whine about the "toxins", etc. but all of those chemicals are
> > natural to the human body to one degree or another.
>
> Mercury is not natural to the body. Aluminum is not natural to the
> body. Injected squalene is treated as a foriegn chemical as is all
> the other ingredients.
>
> Your perverted comments are as perverted as you are.
>
> DrCee
> You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. You can
> make a heck of a lot of money trying as our monopoly docs (MDs) prove.
Hi Pus-4-Brains.
Coming from a disbarred attorney, proven liar, harasser who shows the
evidence that he does no read Torah everday.
I should point out that you have claimed to have received your
education on Mars.
You have never demonstrated the slightest understanding of human
physiology, or any other scientific field of study. If you were an
astronomer, you would deny gravity.
Jan Drew
http://www.cbsnews.com/blogs/2007/06/15/couricandco/entry2934107.shtml
June 15, 2007
Autism: Why The Debate Rages
(CBS)
Sharyl Attkisson is the Capitol Hill Correspondent for CBS News.
With the first autism case now being heard in federal vaccine court in
Washington D.C., it makes sense to ask: Why is anyone even still debating
the possibility of a link between vaccines and autism? After all, for
years, many government health officials, advisors and vaccine manufacturers
have said there's no association.
Here are a number of reasons why the question remains open:
1. While government scientists, advisors and pharmaceutical companies have
been responsible for infinite lifesaving and life improving medical
advances, they are not infallible.
. It's the same group that originally thought it was safe to use x-ray
machines in shoe stores, gave pregnant women Thalidomide for morning
sickness and once allowed mercury in medicines. They assured us Vioxx and
Duract were safe painkillers, prescribed Rezulin for diabetics and then
denied any of them were responsible for patient deaths. If we never
questioned that group, we might not have discovered that Fen-phen and the
dietary supplement Ephedra are not safe weight loss products, that
antidepressants in kids can lead to suicidality and Viagra can cause
blindness. The list goes on.
. When it comes to vaccines, the same group failed to predict that the
1990's rotavirus (diarrhea) vaccine would have to be pulled from the market
after infant deaths. They encouraged use of the oral polio vaccine
(eventually discontinued after it gave too many children polio). And they
allowed the use of a mercury neurotoxin preservative in childhood vaccines,
only to admit later that they hadn't thought to calculate the cumulative
amount kids were getting as more and more vaccines were added to the
childhood immunization schedule.
. Recent history demonstrates that too often, government health officials,
mainstream doctors and pharmaceutical companies aren't on the leading edge
of alerting us to health risks; they're bringing up the rear. Patients feel
left to fend for themselves, seeking independent research and opinions on
their own. They and their dogged, relentless determination have often been
the catalyst that eventually brings medical dangers to the forefront.
2. Government scientists, advisors and vaccine manufacturers often take an
all-or-nothing approach to vaccinations.
. Government officials and infectious disease experts I've spoken with are
fearful that if vaccine side effects are better publicized, or if a link
between vaccines and autism and ADD were made, the public would overreact
and lose faith in the entire vaccination program. The result, they're
afraid, would be parents refusing to give their children any vaccines,
leading to new, deadly epidemics of preventable diseases. That indeed would
be a disaster. However, their fears have resulted in something I call an
all-or-nothing approach: they tend to promote nearly all vaccines for
nearly all children as equally necessary and equally safe. Yet at the same
time, if asked, they agree not all vaccines are equally safe, equally
beneficial, equally necessary and equally tolerated by each individual
child.
. Through the Internet and other resources, parents are now able to find
research on vaccines and read it for themselves. They compare the
government's all-or-nothing approach to the research and become skeptical
that the government is presenting the whole picture on vaccine safety
generally.
3. Government officials and mainstream scientists who dispel any
vaccine/autism/ADD link have ties to vaccine makers.
. There's so much overlap among pharmaceutical companies, government
scientists and advisors that the information they provide at least has the
appearance of a conflict of interest. Government scientists and advisors
often do not mention their connections to the vaccine industry when they
provide opinions on the vaccine/autism/ADD issue.
. One of the best examples of this is the landmark autism/vaccine study
published in Pediatrics. Early in his study, the lead author, CDC's Dr.
Thomas Verstraeten, found statistically significant associations between
the amount of mercury (thimerosal) exposure kids got from their childhood
vaccines, and a wide range of brain disorders. However, the published
version of the study (the one the authors say is accurate) found no
evidence of a link to autism. Not disclosed was that Dr. Verstraeten had
left CDC midstream during the study and had gone to work for Glaxo, a
vaccine manufacturer. That failure to disclose was criticized in a later
publication of Pediatrics, but it got little mainstream attention. Also
getting little attention was a letter from well-respected scientists, also
in Pediatrics, who echoed what parents of autistic children had been saying
for months: they questioned the use and exclusion of certain data from Dr.
Verstraeten's study that eventually reduced the statistical ties between
vaccines and neurodisorders.
. University and government researchers and advisors often do research for
vaccine companies, help develop vaccines (even profit from them), and/or
are paid to consult for them. Often, these researchers do not disclose
their industry ties when they publicly dispel the notion of a link between
autism or ADD and vaccines.
. Lastly, the CDC is inextricably tied to vaccine makers through contracts
and other business and financial relationships that open the door for the
possibility of conflicts.
4. Non-profits which dispel any vaccine/autism/ADD link have ties to
vaccine makers.
. Non-profits that promote vaccinations have ties to vaccine makers that
they often do not disclose when giving their opinions on vaccine safety.
One example is "Every Child By Two." This group contacted CBS News several
years ago in an unsuccessful attempt to prevent one of our stories about
the vaccine safety from airing. In forms filed for the IRS, the non-profit
lists an official from vaccine maker Wyeth Pharmaceuticals as its
Treasurer. It lists vaccine maker Chiron as a paid client.
. Another example of a non-profit tied to the industry is "The Vaccine
Fund." Its President from 2000-2005 was Jacques-Francois Martin, formerly
CEO of vaccine maker Sanofi-Pasteur, CEO of vaccine maker Chiron, and
President of the International Federation of the Pharmaceutical
Manufacturers' Association. While at The Vaccine Fund, his salary was paid
by a company that says it "has developed particular strength in the vaccine
industry and vaccine development."
5. The dual role of the CDC undermines the appearance of fairness.
. There is a perceived, if not real, conflict of interest with the
government's Centers for Disease Control (CDC) heavily promoting vaccines,
but also responsible for monitoring adverse events. At least two respected
medical journals, the "American Journal of Public Health" and "Pediatrics"
have published letters or articles recommending "greater independence in
vaccine safety assessments" apart from "the highly successful program to
promote immunizations." In short, the CDC's bread and butter is achieving
high vaccination rates. But that role is in conflict with the agency's
responsibility to fully research and disclose adverse events that could, in
theory, bring down vaccination rates.
6. There is no definitive research proving a link between vaccines and
autism or ADD, but there is also no definitive research ruling it out.
. Something rarely reported is that while there's no definitive study
linking vaccines to autism or ADD, there is also no study definitively
disproving a link. And there's a substantial body of peer-reviewed,
published science from places like Columbia, Yale and Northeastern
suggesting a link, or pointing to the need for further study.
. Many credible voices deny a link. But many other credible voices support
the idea of a link. One example of the latter is George Wayne Lucier,
formerly a senior official at the National Institutes of Health in
Environmental Toxicology, an NIH advisor, member of the National Academy of
Sciences Committee on Toxicity Testing and a scientific advisor for EPA who
concludes "...it is highly probably that use of thimerosal as a
preservative has caused developmental disorders, including autism, in some
children." A lengthy Congressional investigation also concluded that the
autism epidemic is likely linked to vaccinations.
7. Those who say autism and ADD are not linked to vaccines do not know what
is causing the epidemics.
. The most frightening part of the autism/ADD epidemics is that if, indeed,
they're unrelated to vaccinations, that our best, brightest public health
experts still have no idea what is causing it. Excluding ADD, one out of
every 150 American children are now being diagnosed with autism.
Vaccinations have provided lifesaving miracles in public health. However,
it's undisputed that they are also responsible for many serious adverse
events including brain disorders and, rarely, deaths. Trying to maximize
the potential benefits of vaccines and minimize the harm shouldn't be seen
as a threat to the nation's inoculation program, it's merely a logical step
forward.
One scientist who testified for the plaintiff this week in The Vaccine
Court said there's a way to test children for a hidden hole in their immune
make-up that makes them susceptible to bad immune reactions from
vaccinations. He said that, ideally, every child should undergo such a test
before their first vaccinations. But he also said the test is very
expensive and so "not worth it." Many parents might disagree. If they knew
such a test was available, they'd find a way to pay for it. But such
information has to be disseminated to the public before a first step can
even be considered.
Mainstream medicine initially said that autism was caused by mothers who
weren't affectionate enough with their children. If that doesn't teach us
that we should always seek further knowledge and not necessarily accept
what's spoon-fed to us by certain experts.then nothing will.
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http://theresma.spaces.live.com/blog/cns!80EE15D075B65A13!361.entry
June 20
CDC Admits Thimerosal Safety Study Flawed
... so basically, you can't trust anything they've said about how safe
thimerosal is, or vaccines are. They've been doing the bidding of Big Pharma
all along, in addition to their own pathological quest to vaccinate everyone
against everything as soon after birth as possible (as if there is no other
way to prevent diseases, and as if vaccines are harmless).
Click through the link to read David Kirby's piece on the Huffington Post.
Quote
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/david-kirby/cdc-vaccine-study-design_b_108398.html
CDC Director Dr. Julie Gerberding has delivered a potentially explosive
report to the powerful House Appropriations Committee, in which she admits
to a startling string of errors in the design and methods used in the CDC's
landmark 2003 study that found no link between mercury in vaccines and
autism, ADHD, speech delay or tics.
Gerberding was responding to a 2006 report from the National Institute of
Environmental Health Sciences (NIEHS), which concluded that the CDC's
flagship thimerosal safety study was riddled with "several areas of
weaknesses" that combined to "reduce the usefulness" of the study.
"CDC concurs," Dr. Gerberding wrote in an undated mea culpa to Congress,
(provided to me through a Capitol Hill staffer) adding that her agency "does
not plan to use" the database in question, the Vaccine Safety Datalink,
(VSD) for any future "ecological studies" of autism.
In fact, Gerberding's report said, any continued use of the VSD for similar
ecological studies of vaccines and autism "would be uninformative and
potentially misleading."
Ecological vaccine studies are large, epidemiological analyses of risks and
trends using computerized data from large populations -- in this case
children enrolled at several big HMOs -- without ever examining a single
patient in person.
CDC officials conducted at least five separate analyses of the data over a
four-year period from 1999-2003. The first analysis showed that children
exposed to the most thimerosal by one month of age had extremely high
relative risks for a number of outcomes, compared with children who got
little or no mercury: The relative risk for ADHD was 8.29 times higher, for
autism, it was 7.62 times higher, ADD, 6.38 times higher, tics, 5.65 times,
and speech and language delays were 2.09 more likely among kids who got the
most mercury.
Over time, however, all of these risks declined into statistical
insignificance, statistical inconsistency or else outright oblivion: The
relative risk for autism plummeted from 7.62 in the first analysis, to 2.48
in the second version, to 1.69 in the third round, to 1.52 in the fourth,
and down to nothing at all in the fifth, final, and published analysis
printed in the Journal Pediatrics in November of 2003.
Vaccine officials attributed the steady drop to the elimination of
"statistical noise" from the data through due diligence and the endeavor for
excellence in governmental statistical analysis.
Indeed, the VSD study was the main pillar of a hugely influential 2004
report by the Institute of Medicine, which also concluded that there was no
evidence of link between mercury, vaccines and autism.
To this day, public health officials routinely point to five "large
epidemiological studies" representing the "highest quality science," none of
which found any link to thimerosal.
In fact, the American VSD study has long been held up as the best and
brightest of them all (the others were in Sweden, the UK, and two in
Denmark). And this reputation has stuck in the minds of medicine and the
media.
Curiously though, even the study's lead author -- Dr. Thomas Verstraeten, an
employee of vaccine maker GlaxoSmithKline -- protested that the VSD study
"found no evidence against an association, as a negative study would. In
fact, he said that additional study was needed, which "is the conclusion to
which a neutral study must come."
That's when Congress stepped in.
In 2005, a group of Senators and Representatives headed by Sen. Joe
Lieberman wrote to the NIEHS (an agency of the National Institutes of
Health) saying that many parents no longer trusted the CDC to conduct
independent minded studies of its own vaccine program. Lieberman et al asked
NIEHS to review the CDC's work on the vaccine database and report back with
critiques and suggestions.
The final NIEHS report was a serious and thoughtful critique of where the
CDC went wrong in its design, conduct and analysis of the study. The NIEHS
panel "identified several serious problems," with the CDC's effort,
criticism to which the agency had not responded -- until now.
In her letter to the House Appropriations Committee, the CDC Director
responded directly to many -- though not all -- of the most important
criticisms and recommendations contained in the NIEHS panel report.
For example, the NIEHS had criticized CDC for failing to account for other
mercury exposures, including maternal sources from flu shots and immune
globulin, as well as mercury in food and the environment.
"CDC acknowledges this concern and recognizes this limitation," the
Gerberding reply says.
The NIEHS also took CDC to task for eliminating 25% of the study population
for a variety of reasons, even though this represented, "a susceptible
population whose removal from the analysis might unintentionally reduce the
ability to detect an effect of thimerosal." This strict entry criteria
likely led to an "under-ascertainment" of autism cases, the NIEHS reported.
"CDC concurs," Gerberding wrote, again noting that its study design was "not
appropriate for studying this vaccine safety topic. The data are intended
for administrative purposes and may not be predictive of the outcomes
studied."
Another serious problem was that the HMOs changed the way they tracked and
recorded autism diagnoses over time, including during the period when
vaccine mercury levels were in decline. Such changes could "affect the
observed rate of autism and could confound or distort trends in autism
rates," the NIEHS warned.
"CDC concurs," Dr. Gerberding wrote again, "that conducting an ecologic
analysis using VSD administrative data to address potential associations
between thimerosal exposure and risk of ASD is not useful."
Read that sentence one more time. The head of the CDC is saying that its
most powerful and convincing piece of exonerating evidence for thimerosal
is, in effect, "useless."
I hope everyone will read it, including the recommendations to make the VSD
better, and the CDC's agreement with all of the suggestions.
As questionable at the US thimerosal study was, "it was an improvement on
other studies, including the two in Denmark, both of which had serious
weaknesses in their designs," Dr. Irva Hertz-Picciotto, Professor of Public
Health at UC Davis Medical School and Chair of the NIEHS panel, told
reporter Dan Olmsted at UPI.
That leaves very little for the CDC to go on in terms of proving that
thimerosal and autism are not associated in any way.
Yes, there is always the study of disability services data from
California -- which seem to be rising among the youngest cohorts of kids,
who presumably received little or no mercury because thimerosal was largely
removed from childhood shots.
But California is an "ecological study" with problems of its own.
"Although (this) information is often used by media and research entities to
develop statistics and draw conclusions, some of these findings may
misrepresent the quarterly figures," cautions the website of the California
Department of Developmental Services (DDS). "Increases in the number of
persons reported from one quarter to the next do not necessarily represent
persons who are new to the DDS system."
Even the CDC admits that "there are several limitations" with linking a VSD
study design with the California data, Gerberding wrote to Congress,
because, among other things, California only counts "persons who were
referred to and/or voluntarily entered" the disability system."
It will be interesting to see how the House Committee -- and the mainstream
media -- react to this rather breathtaking confession by the CDC, which does
seem to want to conduct the best vaccine-autism science possible (see
Gerberding's replies to NIEHS recommendations for improving the VSD: CDC
officials are currently conducting in- depth follow up studies with VSD
patients).
As the waning months of the Bush administration get underway, I can't help
but wonder if a little housecleaning might be going on at some of our top
health agencies.
http://www.newmediaexplorer.org/sepp/2004/02/17/cdc_knew_mercury_in_vaccines_induces_autism.htm
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CDC Knew: Mercury in Vaccines Induces Autism
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It is quite clear that mercury is a potent neurotoxin and actually kills
developing nerve cells. The serious thing is that mercury has been injected
into children with numerous vaccines and it still is - with the majority of
flu vaccines. Visual evidence in a film linked here, it takes eons to
download so you need a fast connection or a lot of patience.
This danger was apparently clear to the CDC since some time in the '90s. The
problem was discussed by the CDC, the FDA and representatives of the vaccine
industry four years ago - in February 2000, only to be ... hushed up.
Firstcoastnews reports the story.
Here is an archived copy of the article.
CDC Knew of Potential Link between Vaccines, Autism
By Melissa Ross
First Coast News
Five-year-old Ryan Anderson of Jacksonville Beach is an animated, happy
child.
But that wasn't always the case.
"His course of deterioration from a happy, developmentally appropriate child
to the problems he began to develop, started right after he received the
measles, mumps and rubella vaccine," says Ryan's father, Bruce Anderson.
Now, several therapies are underway to restore Ryan's cognitive and
behavioral development, which began to show significant impairment at age 18
months. Ryan also presents evidence of a persistent, active measles virus.
Ryan's doctor, Jeff Bradstreet of Melbourne, is a specialist in
autism-related disorders. Using clinical diagnostic testing, he has
documented a genetic defect in children that Ryan carries. That defect, says
Bradstreet, made him vulnerable to a preservative in his vaccinations.
The preservative is called thimerosal, and it contains mercury, a known
neuro-toxin. Until just a few years ago, children who received a full
schedule of vaccinations were injected with mercury in amounts far exceeding
EPA guidelines. Bradstreet says some children's bodies just can't handle the
onslaught of the toxin.
"There are children who don't detox heavy metals well.. the more mercury we
expose them to the more problems they're going to have," Bradstreet says.
The growing controversy over thimerosal has contributed to its removal from
many childhood vaccines, beginning in the late 1990's. But it is still
present in some vaccinations, including virtually all flu shots.
The Centers for Disease Control published a study last fall repudiating any
possible link between thimerosal and developmental problems like autism in
children. However, First Coast News has obtained non-published documents
that show the CDC DID have data supporting such a link-- but kept it from
the public.
Documents released through the Freedom of Information Act, detail the
transcript of a meeting held in June of 2000 between members of the CDC, the
FDA, and representatives from the vaccine industry.
The group discusses the results of a February 2000 study that finds a
significant association between exposure to thimerosal-containing vaccines,
and developmental issues like autism in children.
Some of the comments--
"There are just a host of neurodevelopmental data that would suggest we've
got a serious problem."
"My gut feeling? It worries me. I don't want my grandson to get a
thimerosal-containing vaccine until we know better what's going on."
"We are in a bad position from the standpoint of defending any lawsuits."
Finally--
"We have asked you to keep this information confidential."
And that's what happened. Three years later, the CDC published a study in
the November 2003 issue of "Pediatrics" contradicting the earlier results,
and clearing thimerosal of any link to neurological problems in children.
"I just feel pretty strongly they haven't been honest in analyzing the
problem."
So says Florida Congressman David Weldon, a physician. Weldon sent a letter
to the head of the CDC in October of 2003, charging that data was
selectively used in the "Pediatrics" study to make the earlier evidence of a
mercury-autism connection disappear. He also asked for another review of the
data. The CDC has not yet officially responded to Weldon's request.
"Where there's smoke there's fire.. and when you see people reluctant to
investigate things properly, it makes you think they really don't want to
investigate things properly," he says.
Meantime, parents like Bruce Anderson say, while they are not anti-vaccine,
they do want doctors to screen children more carefully before administering
shots, taking into account the specialized health concerns of each
individual child. Anderson also says it's imperative the government recall
any vaccines still containing thimerosal.
"I have to live with the memory of my child's cries as I held him down while
he was being vaccinated, never knowing that I was injuring him."
Bradstreet adds, "This is a very potent neurotoxin. Let's do everything we
can to reduce exposure, not justify why it's OK to give just a little."
Bradstreet, along with Congressman Weldon and other experts on the issue,
reiterated their statements on thimerosal in Washington on February 9th. The
occasion was an Institute of Medicine panel hearing information both
supporting and rejecting the theory that thimerosal is linked to rising
autism rates in children.
A spokesman for the CDC tells First Coast News that the agency plans to
undertake an objective review of the data presented at the IOM panel.
Weldon has already expressed strong skepticism with the CDC's position
however, telling First Coast News, "I don't believe the CDC can really take
an objective position on the issue. They are concerned the fears about
thimerosal might lead to parents being afraid to vaccinate their children.
But the problem isn't vaccines, it's the thimerosal in vaccines. So parents
who are concerned about this need to talk with their pediatrician, and
carefully check the product insert in each vaccination to make sure the shot
is thimerosal-free."
See also:
A two-part article by Dan Olmsted on autism in the Amish community in the
U.S. is highly interesting. It was published in The Washington Times on
April 18 and April 19, 2005.
The Age of Autism: The Amish anomaly
Red Flags Weekly: The Autism Pandemic and Relative Risk
By Daniel Hollenbeck (subscription needed)
February 2005: U.S. Representatives Dave Weldon, M.D. from Florida and
Carolyn Maloney from New York have reintroduced H.R. 881, a measure that
would eliminate mercury from vaccines.
LA Times: '91 Memo Warned of Mercury in Shots
Motherjones.com: Toxic Tipping Point
Are the CDC, the FDA, and other health agencies covering up evidence that a
mercury preservative in children's vaccines caused a rise in autism?
Mercury on the Mind - By Donald W. Miller, Jr., MD
Although they afflict widely different age groups, autism and Alzheimer's
disease share a common cause: mercury. Dr. Boyd Haley, professor and chair
of the chemistry department at the University of Kentucky, and Dr. Bernard
Rimland, founder of the Autism Research Institute, presented evidence at
this year's Doctors for Disaster Preparedness meeting that connects mercury
with these diseases.
THE TRUTH BEHIND THE VACCINE COVER-UP
By Russell Blaylock, M.D
Mercury and human health - Idaho Observer
Vaccine Data Leads to a Shocking Discovery
New Study from Northeastern University Suggests Link Between Vaccine
Ingredients And Autism, ADHD
CDC Vaccine Data Leads Scientists to Shocking Discovery
The MMR scandal shows a business riddled with conflicts of interest
Precipitous Increase in Autism Cases May Be Tied To Childhood Vaccines
Toxic Tipping Point - Mother Jones - Are the CDC, the FDA, and other health
agencies covering up evidence that a mercury preservative in children's
vaccines caused an epidemic of autism?
Is Mercury Toxicity an Autoimmune Disorder?
CDC, FDA Become Targets for Investigation, Says National Autism Association
Unbelieveable!! -- CDC Still Allows Mercury in Infant Flu Shots
Mercury : The Winged Messenger - Book on mercury and autism
National Autism Association Questions IOM and CDC Cover-Up -- How Far Will
They go to Protect Toxic Vaccines?
Vaccination, autism and thimerosal: Vaccine critics blast mercury report
Row over autism link to vaccines
New Columbia University Study Confirms IOM Vaccine-Autism Report is Wrong
International Academy of Oral Medicine and Toxicology An excellent on-line
presentation of the dangers of mercury fillings in teeth
Crematoria warned over mercury
Discover Magazine - March 2005: Our Preferred Poison
A little mercury is all that humans need to do away with themselves quietly,
slowly, and surely
Red Flags Weekly: Vaccines and Immune Suppression (subscription needed)
Found on the Alternative Medicine Forum, posted there by Donna:
Bayer made Rhogam that contained 35 mcg of mercury, Bayer in 2003 Petitioned
OEHHA to take thimerosal/mercury off the list of reproductive toxins, After
parents with disabled children filed lawsuits. [The EPA limit for INGESTING
mercury is 6 mcg! Pregnant women continue to be INJECTED with 25 mcg of
mercury via the flu vaccine!] What happens to these disabled children, Some
require many different medications just to survive.
Here is OEHHA reply to Bayer.
OEHHA (Office of Environmental Health Hazard Assesment) reports;
"The scientific evidence that PMA and Thimerosal cause reproductive
toxcitity is CLEAR and VOLUMINOUS.
The evidence for its reproductive toxcitity includes severe mental
retardation or malformations in human offspring who were poisoned when their
mothers were exposed to ethylmercury or thimerosal while pregnant."
http://www.oehha.ca.gov/prop65/CRNR_notices/pdf_zip/hgbayer1.pdf
From The CancerCoverUp.com Monthly Newsletter | MAY 2005 | Volume 4, Issue 5
The Autism Epidemic: Is Organized Medicine Hiding The Truth?
Taking a shot
Rich Tucker - April 30, 2005
Where some see a crisis, others see an opportunity.
Bush Administration Knew Childhood Vaccines Cause Autism
by Evelyn J. Pringle - www.dissidentvoice.org
February 7, 2005
FDA Knew Dangers Of Thimerosal-Vaccines For 60 Years
September 02, 2005 By: Evelyn Pringle - Independent Media TV ?
Since the 1930s, mercury-based Thimerosal has been added to vaccines as a
preservative to boost drug company profits by allowing vaccine makers to
package in bulk instead of individual doses. According to newly discovered
research, which was supported by a grant from the American Medical
Association, government agencies have known for 60 years that Thimerosal was
neither safe or effective, and that it should have been removed as a
preservative in pharmaceutical products.
"For a long period mercurial compounds, such as bichloride of mercury,
headed the list of chemical which were thought to be effective in the
killing of microorganisms," it said. However, the authors basically state
that Thimerosal as a preservative is useless, "It is not highly germicidal
and especially does not possess high germicidal value in the presence of
serum and other protein mediums. The loss of antibacterial activity of
mercurials in the presence of serum proves their incompatibility with
serum."
Jan Drew
"mindy" <UsR...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 22, 5:50 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Jun 22, 8:36 pm, mindy <UsRc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Who said that there is any of this in vaccines?
>
> > unless of course someone in your past family tree conceived from
> > practicing beastiality. Which I doubt happened.
>
> Well, considering your posts, I do not share your doubts.
>
> > Then there is the mercury, the aluminum,
>
> Both found in the environment, and in the human body without
> considering any from vaccines. Anyway, there is no thimerosal in the
> full range of childhood vaccines, so the point is moot.
>
> and a long list of other
>
> > contaminates including unknown monkey viruses,
>
> You know there are unknown viruses? That sounds just plain stupid.
>
> like what happened with
>
> > polio and the SV40 virus, which by the way was named SV40 because it
> > was the 40th monkey virus found contaminating vaccinesl.
>
> Oh? That is news to the rest of the real world. Maybe not yours, but,
> you have never shown any connection with reality.
This link has the aactual 'minutes' to a hearing done by gov't
officials questioning witnesses...
http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=108_house_hearings&docid=f:91047.wais
>
> > And to top it off, all these things, along with combinations of
> > between 2 - 8 viruses are all injected into infants bodies, causing
> > inflamation, fever, localized swelling, just to name a few of the
> > minor reactions.
>
> Hmm...did you read the word "antigen"? Also, side effects are
> extraordinarily rare and far milder than getting the actual disease.
> You are too young to know what it was like when these diseases ran
> rampant. If that returns, I will not stand in your way of getting a
> clue and rescuing your children from your former negligence.
>
> > If vaccines do not cause neurological issues, then why has the US
> > government set up a fund to pay out to those who are injured by
> > vaccines?-
>
> Simple. They wanted to limit the number of frivolous lawsuits against
> the manufacturers since that would dry up research and no progress to
> future safety will be made. In no way what-so-ever is the fund a
> concession of your point.- Hide quoted text -
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>
Terry Jones
>Sick minds need to justify vaccines.
Emotional "arguments" like that are used by people who's case doesn't
stand up to scrutiny - With all the money spent on lawyers and
lobbying, the anti-vaccine groups could have funded some good quality,
scientifically credible studies into their claims.
--
Terry
Terry Jones
<buz...@domain.invalid.net> wrote:
>Are there any studies being done that are not
>in some way paid for or influenced by those who
>have already decided what the outcome shall be?
>Are there URLs to articles on those studies?
That is one argument advanced for government funded science.
Unfortunately governments are susceptible to lobbying and "flavour of
the month", so there's probably no easy answer to the problem.
As I've suggested elsewhere "natural experiments" such as comparing
the situation in different countries with different vaccination
regimes could be informative. (There may be a problem with different
diagnostic criteria / practices, but as long as these remain
consistent within a country, the trends would still be informative).
--
Terry
Terry Jones
wrote:
>Foreign DNA from monkey kidneys is not natural to the human body,
>unless of course someone in your past family tree conceived from
>practicing beastiality. Which I doubt happened.
Except that humans and chimps have largely the same DNA
>along with combinations of
>between 2 - 8 viruses are all injected into infants bodies
And how many viruses were children exposed to at the same time prior
to the introduction of vaccination? - Look at the childhood mortality
statistics.
>If vaccines do not cause neurological issues, then why has the US
>government set up a fund to pay out to those who are injured by
>vaccines?
Because all too often politics has little or nothing to do with
science or evidence.
And to be fair you should also ask why other equally democratic
western governments *haven't* felt the need to do so.
Point is that the regulars at alt.support.autism - mostly parents &
adult autistics - have no vested interest in whether this argument is
true or false.
What *is* of concern are the time, attention, and resources being
directed at this and other "causes" and "cures", instead of in
learning about the real needs of autistics from their own mouths. And
providing help for both adults and children based on what they really
need, and what they themselves have found useful.
We get a lot of crap from *both* "orthodox" and "alternative" - So if
you genuinely believe in this and want to persuade people, you need to
look critically at the quality of your arguments and the evidence you
offer.
Don't just repeat arguments and "facts" which you've read - Check them
out, whether it's "monkey DNA" or the number of childhood vaccinations
in the US compared to other western nations.
And remember that the US is not the whole world - this is a
multi-national group. So how well does the vaccine argument hold up in
the light of evidence from other "western medicine" countries which
have *different* vaccination regimes and formulations?
Emotion based "arguments" and repeating the "same old, same old" is
lazy posting - If you really expect to persuade people, then "do your
homework", look as critically at the arguments you're posting as you
do at those of "orthodoxy".
Terry
PS - Since you know from your own child that autism is not some
terrible thing "like cancer", I don't understand why this seems to be
such an important issue for you?
Jeff
> Sick minds need to justify vaccines.
Incorrect.
The data and lives saves justify vaccines.
Jeff
PeterB
>
> >>Mercury is not natural to the body.
>
> > And measles are not natural to the body.
>
> Actually, both are or can be quite natural to the body just as snake
> venom is natural, smallpox is natural, bubonic plague is natural,
> getting eaten by bears is natural. The idea that natural is good is just
> as nuts as the cranks who cross-post this crap.
Your "logic" suggests that those who use the word "natural" are
equating it with something "good" regardless of context, which is not
the case. No one would argue that dying young is good just because
death is natural. Natural is good when it describes avoidance of
personal injury by avoiding an adverse condition. I avoid fast food
and decline questionable medical interventions not because death isn't
natural, but because I prefer not to die. I'll do both regardless what
you want to call it. BTW, mercury was once used to treat disease
based on the belief that doing so would be "good" for patients. What
changed is information. Based on my reading of medical history, more
human beings have perished from the adverse side effects of vaccine
than from use of mercury in the earlier period. Read "Public Health
at the Crossroads," by R. Beaglehole, pg 43. Vaccines were
responsible for, *at most*, 3.5% of the decline in severe illness
leading to mortality caused by infectious diseases from 1900 to
1975.
Bob Badour
> On Jun 23, 12:27 am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Happy Oyster wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT), drcee <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>Mercury is not natural to the body.
>>
>>>And measles are not natural to the body.
>>
>>Actually, both are or can be quite natural to the body just as snake
>>venom is natural, smallpox is natural, bubonic plague is natural,
>>getting eaten by bears is natural. The idea that natural is good is just
>>as nuts as the cranks who cross-post this crap.
>
> Your "logic" suggests that those who use the word "natural" are
> equating it with something "good" regardless of context, which is not
> the case. No one would argue that dying young is good just because
> death is natural. Natural is good when it describes avoidance of
> personal injury by avoiding an adverse condition.
The word simply never means that. Open a dictionary sometime.
<snip>
PeterB
The word "simply" doesn't appear in your comment, but if it had, it
would not change the fallacy of your argument. By the way, I avoid
fast food and decline questionable medical interventions not because
death isn't natural, but because I prefer not to die. I'll do both
regardless what you want to call it. You may not know that mercury
was once used to treat disease based on the belief that doing so would
be "good" for patients. What changed is information. Based on my
reading of medical history, more human beings have perished from the
adverse side effects of vaccine
than from use of mercury in the earlier period. How ironic that both
of these should have come together. I choose to avoid them. Read
"Public Health at the Crossroads," by R. Beaglehole, pg 43. Vaccines
were responsible for, *at most*, 3.5% of the decline in severe illness
leading to mortality caused by infectious diseases from 1900 to 1975
(and that doesn't even adust for nearly a million deaths caused by
vaccines.)
Bob Badour
> On Jun 23, 11:00 am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>PeterB wrote:
>>
>>>On Jun 23, 12:27 am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>>>Happy Oyster wrote:
>>
>>>>>On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT), drcee <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>>Mercury is not natural to the body.
>>
>>>>>And measles are not natural to the body.
>>
>>>>Actually, both are or can be quite natural to the body just as snake
>>>>venom is natural, smallpox is natural, bubonic plague is natural,
>>>>getting eaten by bears is natural. The idea that natural is good is just
>>>>as nuts as the cranks who cross-post this crap.
>>
>>>Your "logic" suggests that those who use the word "natural" are
>>>equating it with something "good" regardless of context, which is not
>>>the case. No one would argue that dying young is good just because
>>>death is natural. Natural is good when it describes avoidance of
>>>personal injury by avoiding an adverse condition.
>>
>>The word simply never means that. Open a dictionary sometime.
>>
>><snip>
>
> The word "simply" doesn't appear in your comment, but if it had, it
> would not change the fallacy of your argument.
"Fallacy" is strong language. It would be easy to disprove my assertion
if it were not so absolutely true. All you would have to do is open the
dictionary on point out the definition that matches the one you use.
Here, let me give you a hand:
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/natural
Filed under psychotics. Plonk!
Mark Probert
You demonstrate another educational deficiency. Do look up the
definition of troll, and the logical fallacy of poisoning the well.
I never thought you were very bright, now you have proved it.
Mark Probert
Burton bullshit.
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Happy Oyster
No. Measles are NOT NATURAL TO THE HUMAN BODY.
--
"Die Frau ist ein Mi�griff der Natur... mit ihrem Feuchtigkeits-�berschu�
und ihrer Untertemperatur k�rperlich und geistig minderwertiger... eine
Art verst�mmelter, verfehlter, mi�lungener Mann...die volle Verwirklichung
der menschlichen Art ist nur der Mann."
Thomas von Aquin, hl., Kirchenlehrer, 1225-1274
Heilsames �ber christliche Lebensart: http://www.reimbibel.de
Happy Oyster
>Neurochemical hypothesis: participation by aluminum in producing critical
>mass of colocalized errors in brain leads to neurological disease.
Jan Drew is no medical doctopr, nor is he a scientist.
Jan Drew even is too dumb to quote.
Bob Badour
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 01:27:28 -0300, Bob Badour <bba...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>>Happy Oyster wrote:
>>
>>>On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT), drcee <drce...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>Mercury is not natural to the body.
>>>
>>>And measles are not natural to the body.
>>
>>Actually, both are or can be quite natural to the body just as snake
>>venom is natural, smallpox is natural, bubonic plague is natural,
>>getting eaten by bears is natural. The idea that natural is good is just
>>as nuts as the cranks who cross-post this crap.
>
> No. Measles are NOT NATURAL TO THE HUMAN BODY.
Bald assertion without evidence or fact does not persuade.
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/natural
Measles are natural to the human body by every one of the following
definitions:
* existing in or formed by nature (opposed to artificial ): a natural
bridge.
* based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth
is a natural process.
* of or pertaining to nature or the universe: natural beauty.
* of, pertaining to, or occupied with the study of natural science:
conducting natural experiments.
* in a state of nature; uncultivated, as land.
* growing spontaneously, without being planted or tended by human hand
* having undergone little or no processing and containing no chemical
additives
* having a real or physical existence, as opposed to one that is
spiritual, intellectual, fictitious, etc.
* arising easily or spontaneously
* in conformity with the ordinary course of nature; not unusual or
exceptional.
* happening in the ordinary or usual course of things, without the
intervention of accident, violence, etc.
* based on what is learned from nature rather than on revelation.
* not treated, tanned, refined, etc.; in its original or raw state
* a natural substance or a product made with such a substance
Happy Oyster
>BTW, mercury was once used to treat disease
>based on the belief that doing so would be "good" for patients.
Mercury is used intensively by homeopaths, even in dangerously high dosages.
>What changed is information.
Yes, the homeopaths lie about it.
>Based on my reading of medical history, more
>human beings have perished from the adverse side effects of vaccine
>than from use of mercury in the earlier period. Read "Public Health
>at the Crossroads," by R. Beaglehole, pg 43. Vaccines were
>responsible for, *at most*, 3.5% of the decline in severe illness
>leading to mortality caused by infectious diseases from 1900 to
>1975.
Obviously either that R. Beaglehole wrote a mess or you can't read.
Happy Oyster
>* based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth
>is a natural process.
That is bullshit. Parasites are not natural to the body.
t
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Bob Badour
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:18 -0300, Bob Badour <bba...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>>* based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth
>>is a natural process.
>
> That is bullshit. Parasites are not natural to the body.
Au contraire. Various retroviruses form a fundamental part of the human
genome, and we would not be able to digest many foods or absorb certain
vital nutrients without the help of various parasitic bacterial fauna.
Bob Badour
P.S. And cellular metabolism would not happen at all without the
parasitic dependence of our own cells on our captive mitochondria.
mindy
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Troll!
Mark Probert
Awww...Mindy, I am so not hurt. Your anti-vaccination bullshit appears
right on que. Burton is an idiot who held "hearings" where every anti-
vaccination merchant of infectious disease, disability and death was
paraded before a hearing room.
Here is a definition of Troll:
troll /v.,n./ [From the Usenet group alt.folklore.urban] To utter a
posting on Usenet designed to attract predictable responses or flames.
Derives from the phrase "trolling for newbies" which in turn comes
from mainstream "trolling", a style of fishing in which one trails
bait through a likely spot hoping for a bite. The well-constructed
troll is a post that induces lots of newbies and flamers to make
themselves look even more clueless than they already do, while subtly
conveying to the more savvy and experienced that it is in fact a
deliberate troll. If you don't fall for the joke, you get to be in on
it.
Now, since I regularly post to m.h.a. and m.k.h. and only post to
a.s.a. because of crossposting, I submit that it is YOU who slithered
into the two former groups and began trolling. In fact, your first
post in this thread anticipated you would be attacked.
Therefore, it is YOU who are the troll. Now, back under your bridge.
They do have bridges where you live?
Mark Probert
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:55:53 -0400, in misc.health.alternative, "Jan
>
> Drew" <jdrew1...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> >http://www.newstarget.com/z020866.html
>
> >NewsTarget.com printable article
> >Originally published October 24 2006
> >Four people die after flu vaccination shots
> >(NewsTarget) Four people died after being injected with the flu vaccine, the
> >Health Ministry of Israel reported yesterday.
>
> Note this line here.
>
> >Before receiving the flu
> >inoculations, three of the four individuals were suffering from several
> >chronic ailments, including heart disease and diabetes. A fourth
>
> With all inoculations in the US there is a set of questions asked.
> Do you have a fever or suffer from any chronic illness. The reason
> that question is asked is people with certain chronic illnesses needs
> to be careful of drug interactions, and in some cases the drugs they
> take weaken an already compromised system.
>
> >recipient -- a 67-year-old man -- suffered from serious heart disease. He
>
> "Serious"?
>
> >was found dead on a city street a few hours after receiving the flu vaccine
> >shot from his wife, a dentist.
>
> A dentist gave him a flu shot?
>
> >The flu vaccine in question was made and distributed by the French
> >pharmaceutical firm Sanofi-Aventis. Sanofi-Aventis markets the vaccine all
> >over the world, and it was determined that all four deaths occurred in
> >people who had been inoculated with vaccine from the same series made by the
> >company.
>
> They know this was the same by looking at batch numbers?
>
> >The Health Ministry of Israel said Sunday that Sanofi-Aventis had been asked
> >whether unexplained fatalities had been reported in any other country. An
> >answer to this question was expected Monday, but if no other reports are
> >uncovered, inoculations will be allowed to continue, according to Israeli
> >Health Minister Ben-Yizri.
>
> >The Israeli Health Ministry has begun looking into possible sources of
> >contamination -- but so far none have been found in the actual vaccine. At
> >this time, 140,000 people have been inoculated. The Health Ministry has
> >started an investigation into the medical team at the Kiryat Gat clinic
> >where three of the four victims received their flu shots from the same
> >nurse.
>
> Wait, one of the people got their shot from their wife a dentist...
> didn't they? Who actually gave the shot a nurse or a dentist?
>
> Can anyone else see the problem with this "news report"?
Bob, the popular name for NewsTarget is NewTURD.
But, you did a great analysis anyway.
>
> >However, the head of the national center for disease monitoring in the
> >Health Ministry -- Professor Manfred Green -- reassured a cautious public
> >this past Sunday by stating that there may be a simple statistical
> >explanation for the four deaths, by saying "About 100 people die every day
> >in Israel from chronic diseases. These four individuals could be part of
> >that group."
>
> Amazing. of the 140,000 people inoculated, only 4 people died? and 4
> of the four already had "serious" or "chronic" health issues?
>
> >Yitzhak Berlovitch, deputy director of the Health Ministry, stated that no
> >cases have ever been documented in Israel of deaths after flu inoculations.
> >There had not yet been any autopsies performed on the four victims because
> >"the Health Ministry has no justification for doing so," according to
> >Berlovitch.
>
> Really? Then all the shouting is a much to do about nothing, isn't
> it.
>
> >> Bob Officer
> > Posting advertising and lies deleted.
>
> You need to learn urls in signatures are not advertising. if you
> call them such you are lying.
>
> Since you are the person making the charge. show my in the RFC and
> usenet documentation where a URL in a signature is explicitly
> classified as advertisements.
>
> JanBOT is to much a hypocrite to point out the all the mercola ULR's
> have ads on the displayed pages.
>
> Even References to Google's so-called "archives" have ads.
>
> I put forward that JanBot is a hypocrite
> as well as a control freak.
Happy Oyster
<quote>
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What some fail to realize, though, is that such reviews can be tainted:
Many bloggers have accepted perks such as free laptops, trips to Europe,
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Stephen Wilson
"PeterB" <p...@mytrashmail.com> wrote in message
news:99b24946-ca0d-4d06...@h11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com...
Perhaps you're right. However, are you aware that since vaccines were
developed, mumps, measles and rubella have become virtually unknown in
Britain? Or at least, virtually unknown until recently.
Since 1 January 2009, 316 cases of measles have been reported in Wales. 100
new cases were reported in less than 4 weeks. Mumps is currently also on the
increase. Does this mean the vaccine doesn't work? No. It means that since
some idiot(s) sparked fears that vaccines were unsafe, some parents have
refused to let their children be vaccinated. An estimated 45,000
schoolchildren in Wales have not been fully vaccinated. As a result, 38
people have been hospitalised to date. It is currently believed that it is
only a matter of time before someone dies and/or is left permanently
affected.
Peter Bowditch
>> > Your "logic" suggests that those who use the word "natural" are
>> > equating it with something "good" regardless of context, which is not
>> > the case. �No one would argue that dying young is good just because
>> > death is natural. �Natural is good when it describes avoidance of
>> > personal injury by avoiding an adverse condition.
>>
>> The word simply never means that. Open a dictionary sometime.
>>
>> <snip>
>
>The word "simply" doesn't appear in your comment, but if it had, it
>would not change the fallacy of your argument.
There you go again with your idiosyncratic use of English. Bob was not
referring to the word "simply", but you knew that.
--
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To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
PeterB
It would be nice if the validity of a medical intervention could be
proven soley by association, but that isn't how science works. One
poster in favor of mass vaccine recently posted an article that he
thought made the case for it, however it actually raised the issue of
"vaccine bias" as a problem during earlier polio vaccine experiments,
a phenomenon just as likely to impact statistical reporting today. It
isn't a question of whether children experience outbreaks of such
diseases, it is a question of whether vaccine bias plays a role in
incidence reporting and whether disease sequalae has been modified
sufficiently by vaccine to change how these diseases are observed or
classified. The issue of vaccine safety is hardly resolved, in fact
it's hardly been addressed. We are now the subjects of an
uncontrolled experiment at the population level, and have been for
decades.
Jan Drew
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"Jeff" <kidsd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>t wrote:
>> Sick minds need to justify vaccines.
>
> Incorrect.
>
> The data and lives saves justify vaccines.
>
> Jeff
http://www.newstarget.com/z020866.html
NewsTarget.com printable article
Originally published October 24 2006
Four people die after flu vaccination shots
(NewsTarget) Four people died after being injected with the flu vaccine, the
Health Ministry of Israel reported yesterday. Before receiving the flu
inoculations, three of the four individuals were suffering from several
chronic ailments, including heart disease and diabetes. A fourth
recipient -- a 67-year-old man -- suffered from serious heart disease. He
was found dead on a city street a few hours after receiving the flu vaccine
shot from his wife, a dentist.
The flu vaccine in question was made and distributed by the French
pharmaceutical firm Sanofi-Aventis. Sanofi-Aventis markets the vaccine all
over the world, and it was determined that all four deaths occurred in
people who had been inoculated with vaccine from the same series made by the
company.
The Health Ministry of Israel said Sunday that Sanofi-Aventis had been asked
whether unexplained fatalities had been reported in any other country. An
answer to this question was expected Monday, but if no other reports are
uncovered, inoculations will be allowed to continue, according to Israeli
Health Minister Ben-Yizri.
The Israeli Health Ministry has begun looking into possible sources of
contamination -- but so far none have been found in the actual vaccine. At
this time, 140,000 people have been inoculated. The Health Ministry has
started an investigation into the medical team at the Kiryat Gat clinic
where three of the four victims received their flu shots from the same
nurse.
However, the head of the national center for disease monitoring in the
Health Ministry -- Professor Manfred Green -- reassured a cautious public
this past Sunday by stating that there may be a simple statistical
explanation for the four deaths, by saying "About 100 people die every day
in Israel from chronic diseases. These four individuals could be part of
that group."
Yitzhak Berlovitch, deputy director of the Health Ministry, stated that no
cases have ever been documented in Israel of deaths after flu inoculations.
There had not yet been any autopsies performed on the four victims because
"the Health Ministry has no justification for doing so," according to
Berlovitch.
Neurochemical hypothesis: participation by aluminum in producing critical
mass of colocalized errors in brain leads to neurological disease.
Joshi JG.
Department of Biochemistry, University of Tennessee, Knoxville 37996-0840.
1. Aluminum is an established neurotoxin. Prolonged exposure to even low
levels of aluminum permit its chelation and subsequent transport to brain
where it is non-uniformly distributed. 2. Available evidence suggests that
(i) aluminum interferes with glucose metabolism by inhibiting hexokinase and
glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase; (ii) it binds to calmodulin and affects
numerous phosphorylation-dephosphorylation reactions; (iii) it binds to
transferrin and ferritin, affects the function of these proteins which in
turn affect iron metabolism. 3. Thus accumulation of aluminum-induced
metabolic errors colocalized in specific areas of the brain may lead to
neurological disorders.
Jan Drew
On Jun 23, 11:00 am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> PeterB wrote:
> > On Jun 23, 12:27 am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
> >>Happy Oyster wrote:
>
> >>>On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT), drcee
> >>><drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
> >>>>Mercury is not natural to the body.
>
> >>>And measles are not natural to the body.
>
> >>Actually, both are or can be quite natural to the body just as snake
> >>venom is natural, smallpox is natural, bubonic plague is natural,
> >>getting eaten by bears is natural. The idea that natural is good is just
> >>as nuts as the cranks who cross-post this crap.
>
> > equating it with something "good" regardless of context, which is not
> > the case. No one would argue that dying young is good just because
> > death is natural. Natural is good when it describes avoidance of
> > personal injury by avoiding an adverse condition.
>
> The word simply never means that. Open a dictionary sometime.
>
> <snip>
The word "simply" doesn't appear in your comment, but if it had, it
would not change the fallacy of your argument. By the way, I avoid
fast food and decline questionable medical interventions not because
death isn't natural, but because I prefer not to die. I'll do both
regardless what you want to call it. You may not know that mercury
was once used to treat disease based on the belief that doing so would
be "good" for patients. What changed is information. Based on my
reading of medical history, more human beings have perished from the
adverse side effects of vaccine
than from use of mercury in the earlier period. How ironic that both
of these should have come together. I choose to avoid them. Read
"Public Health at the Crossroads," by R. Beaglehole, pg 43. Vaccines
were responsible for, *at most*, 3.5% of the decline in severe illness
leading to mortality caused by infectious diseases from 1900 to 1975
(and that doesn't even adust for nearly a million deaths caused by
vaccines.)
Jan Drew
Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2009 07:57:03 -0700 (PDT)
Local: Tues, Jun 23 2009 10:57 am
On Jun 23, 12:27 am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Happy Oyster wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT), drcee <drcee...@insightbb.com>
> > wrote:
> >>Mercury is not natural to the body.
> > And measles are not natural to the body.
> Actually, both are or can be quite natural to the body just as snake
> venom is natural, smallpox is natural, bubonic plague is natural,
> getting eaten by bears is natural. The idea that natural is good is just
> as nuts as the cranks who cross-post this crap.
Your "logic" suggests that those who use the word "natural" are
equating it with something "good" regardless of context, which is not
the case. No one would argue that dying young is good just because
death is natural. Natural is good when it describes avoidance of
personal injury by avoiding an adverse condition. I avoid fast food
and decline questionable medical interventions not because death isn't
natural, but because I prefer not to die. I'll do both regardless what
you want to call it. BTW, mercury was once used to treat disease
based on the belief that doing so would be "good" for patients. What
changed is information. Based on my reading of medical history, more
Terry Jones
<bobof...@127.0.0.7> wrote:
>If something sounds too good or easy, it is usually fake or unlawful.
Or a politician speaking (or a banker, CEO, etc. ).
Terry Jones
wrote:
>It would be nice if the validity of a medical intervention could be
>proven soley by association, but that isn't how science works. One
>poster in favor of mass vaccine recently posted an article that he
>thought made the case for it, however it actually raised the issue of
>"vaccine bias" as a problem during earlier polio vaccine experiments,
>a phenomenon just as likely to impact statistical reporting today. It
>isn't a question of whether children experience outbreaks of such
>diseases, it is a question of whether vaccine bias plays a role in
>incidence reporting and whether disease sequalae has been modified
>sufficiently by vaccine to change how these diseases are observed or
>classified.
Unfortunately a quick Google for "vaccine bias" brings up reference to
biases *about* vaccines, and then your own post - But from what you've
written, you seem to be referring to an effect in which the vaccine
modifies the symptoms and hence the identification, but that the
disease in question remains just as damaging / fatal as before?
Since even including quotes for "vaccine bias" isn't taking me to this
sort of reference, would you please give some links to references
where this phenomenon has actually been observed?
--
Terry
Happy Oyster
Interesting, isn't it? But I quoted A PART of that, and quoting is allowed by
copyright law.
Too bad...
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>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://www.reimbibel.de <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Happy Oyster
Is this the same Jan Drew which is so interested in copyright law?
Happy Oyster
1. Who wrote what?
2. Why does Jan Drew pump more nonsense into the net day for day?
The FTC will find out...
Happy Oyster
Aha, another forgery by Jan Drew.
The original is this:
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On Jun 23, 12:27�am, Bob Badour <bbad...@pei.sympatico.ca> wrote:
> Happy Oyster wrote:
> > On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 16:45:38 -0700 (PDT), drcee <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
> >>Mercury is not natural to the body. �
>
> > And measles are not natural to the body.
>
> Actually, both are or can be quite natural to the body just as snake
> venom is natural, smallpox is natural, bubonic plague is natural,
> getting eaten by bears is natural. The idea that natural is good is just
> as nuts as the cranks who cross-post this crap.
Your "logic" suggests that those who use the word "natural" are
equating it with something "good" regardless of context, which is not
the case. No one would argue that dying young is good just because
death is natural. Natural is good when it describes avoidance of
personal injury by avoiding an adverse condition. I avoid fast food
and decline questionable medical interventions not because death isn't
natural, but because I prefer not to die. I'll do both regardless what
you want to call it. BTW, mercury was once used to treat disease
based on the belief that doing so would be "good" for patients. What
changed is information. Based on my reading of medical history, more
human beings have perished from the adverse side effects of vaccine
than from use of mercury in the earlier period. Read "Public Health
at the Crossroads," by R. Beaglehole, pg 43. Vaccines were
responsible for, *at most*, 3.5% of the decline in severe illness
leading to mortality caused by infectious diseases from 1900 to
1975.
</quote>
How many thousand times did Jan Drew do that already?
Jan Drew is a habitual liar. As is proven day for day.
But, so we know now, the FTC is targetting in on Jan Drew...
Peter Bowditch
The expression was invented by none other than PeterB, and apparently
means the way that doctors ignore the possibility that vaccines might
cause damage. I have never seen anybody else use the term.
If I remember correctly, he first used it in a discussion of
"subclinical measles" (another of his neologisms) as a way of
explaining why doctors don't see measles everywhere like they did in
the 1950s. It's their "vaccine bias" which makes them blind to both
measles and vaccine damage.
Bob Badour
I think those are all covered under "fake or unlawful".
Bob Badour
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:46:40 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
>
>>Copyright © 2009 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. The information
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>
> Interesting, isn't it? But I quoted A PART of that, and quoting is allowed by
> copyright law.
>
> Too bad...
I think the more important observation is the non sequitur: A
manufacturer or distributor can pay Advisors directly for testimonials
on this service and this disclaimer does nothing to address the possibility.
Bob Badour
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 23:48:54 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
<snip>
>>Neurochemical hypothesis: participation by aluminum in producing critical
>>mass of colocalized errors in brain leads to neurological disease.
>>
>>Joshi JG.
>>
>>Department of Biochemistry, University of Tennessee, Knoxville 37996-0840.
>>
>>1. Aluminum is an established neurotoxin. Prolonged exposure to even low
>>levels of aluminum permit its chelation and subsequent transport to brain
>>where it is non-uniformly distributed. 2. Available evidence suggests that
>>(i) aluminum interferes with glucose metabolism by inhibiting hexokinase and
>>glucose-6-phosphate dehydrogenase; (ii) it binds to calmodulin and affects
>>numerous phosphorylation-dephosphorylation reactions; (iii) it binds to
>>transferrin and ferritin, affects the function of these proteins which in
>>turn affect iron metabolism. 3. Thus accumulation of aluminum-induced
>>metabolic errors colocalized in specific areas of the brain may lead to
>>neurological disorders.
>>
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=15202764&query_hl=11&itool=pubmed_docsum
>>
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11746431&query_hl=11&itool=pubmed_DocSum
>>
>>http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/entrez/query.fcgi?cmd=Retrieve&db=pubmed&dopt=Abstract&list_uids=11470325&query_hl=11&itool=pubmed_DocSum
>
> Is this the same Jan Drew which is so interested in copyright law?
>
> Too bad...
You seem to miss the most important bits. Who posted is far less
relevant than the simple observation that publishing an hypothesis does
not prove the hypothesis. It just puts it out there for comment.
Mark Probert
If you knew Petey like we know Petey...
Cherry picked quotes...
Logical fallacies...
Torturing stats to say the opposite...
Arak
>
> That is a scary thought. The way the anti-vaccinationist speak of
> their autistic children, I am surprised that more of them do not do
> post-birth abortion.
I know of one who did: Karen McCarron. (http://
djdialogue143.blogspot.com/2008/01/on-may-13-2006-light-was-
extinguished.html) She was a doctor who believed vaccines were one of
the causes of her daughter's autism. In the end Karen killed her
because she didn't "want autism in [her] life".
I know she's not the only parent who's either thought of it or done
it.
It still baffles me that autism seems to invoke this kind of ire in
parents that other disabilities don't seem to.
Arak /|\
mindy
> On Jun 22, 5:50 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jun 22, 8:36 pm, mindy <UsRc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jun 22, 2:41 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jun 22, 4:12 am, Terry Jones <terryjo...@beeb.net> wrote:
>
> > > > > On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 18:52:07 -0700 (PDT), mindy <UsRc...@gmail.com>
> > > > > wrote:
>
> > > > > >Well done! Be prepared for an attack for being so brave.
>
> > > > > Unfortunately courage has no bearing on whether a belief is right or
> > > > > not. The Nazi military were just as courageous as those of the Allies,
> > > > > suicide bombers are "brave" enough to sacrifice their lives for their
> > > > > beliefs, as were those who flew the planes into the World Trade
> > > > > Center.
>
> > > > > >I only have
> > > > > >one objection, and I'm not worried about the attacks to come, because
> > > > > >I've already been attacked on here for this very statement... "In MY
> > > > > >son's case" I KNOW that vaccines were not the cause of his ASD
> > > > > >because... (shame on me) he has never been vaccinated.
>
> > > > > My "personal experience" objection is that as a late diagnosed
> > > > > autistic (dx at age 52), and knowing others in similar circumstances,
> > > > > I know that at least part of the "epidemic" is false - People with so
> > > > > called "higher functioning" autism were simply not recognised, and now
> > > > > they are.
>
> > > > > [I would also note that I suffered from, but fortunately survived
> > > > > largely unscathed, measles, mumps, rubella, whooping cough, and had a
> > > > > friend at school who survived but had long term damage from polio.]
>
> > > > > The previous poster rightly notes that there have been previous false
> > > > > "causes" of autism such as the "Refrigerator Mother" theory - But
> > > > > fails to go on and apply the same logic to his? own theories.
>
> > > > > Their resorting to emotive language such as "the Doctor's cold
> > > > > needles" is suggestive of an argument which doesn't stand up well on
> > > > > its' own merits alone.
>
> > > > > >Children in the US are bombarded at a much younger age and with a
> > > > > >higher number of vaccines than children in any other country in the
> > > > > >world!
>
> > > > > Is that really the case, or does it just feel like that to people who
> > > > > live there? - A quick look at the WHO / UNICEF numbers suggests that
> > > > > may not be the situation (caveat, I haven't done any detailed
> > > > > number-crunching). And since they're trying to promote "western"
> > > > > standards of vaccination worldwide, it seems unlikely that they would
> > > > > underreport.
>
> > > > > >I think it would be wiser and safer if they were given later
> > > > > >in childhood and not so many viruses in each shot.
>
> > > > > Except that nature doesn't wait on our convenience - The numbers vary,
> > > > > but about 1 in every 3 children dying *in their first year* seems to
> > > > > be the average for 19th century Britain.
>
> > > > > (Of course we have the advantage of piped water and sewage systems,
> > > > > but there are a lot of non-waterborne diseases too).
>
> > > > > [And for those who espouse an inflammatory model of autism, I wonder
> > > > > about the inflammatory effects of chronic infections and parasites?]
>
> > > > One of the logical inconsistencies of those who promote the failed
> > > > "vaccines cause Autism" myth is that they cannot explain why a vaccine
> > > > would cause something that getting the disease does not. I know that
> > > > they whine about the "toxins", etc. but all of those chemicals are
> > > > natural to the human body to one degree or another.
>
> > > > And, of course, in classic goal post shifting, they now claim "too
> > > > many, too soon" not realizing that there are now fewer antigens in the
> > > > vaccine schedule than before.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > > > - Show quoted text -
>
> > > Foreign DNA from monkey kidneys is not natural to the human body,
>
> > Who said that there is any of this in vaccines?
>
> > > unless of course someone in your past family tree conceived from
> > > practicing beastiality. Which I doubt happened.
>
> > Well, considering your posts, I do not share your doubts.
>
> > > Then there is the mercury, the aluminum,
>
> > Both found in the environment, and in the human body without
> > considering any from vaccines. Anyway, there is no thimerosal in the
> > full range of childhood vaccines, so the point is moot.
>
> > and a long list of other
>
> > > contaminates including unknown monkey viruses,
>
> > You know there are unknown viruses? That sounds just plain stupid.
>
> > like what happened with
>
> > > polio and the SV40 virus, which by the way was named SV40 because it
> > > was the 40th monkey virus found contaminating vaccinesl.
>
> > Oh? That is news to the rest of the real world. Maybe not yours, but,
> > you have never shown any connection with reality.
>
> This link has the aactual 'minutes' to a hearing done by gov't
> officials questioning witnesses...http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getdoc.cgi?dbname=108_house_h...
Oh, Mark,... You hurt my feelings... It seems strange to me that you
argue with everything I've posted here, except this link... Some of
the witnesses questioned, work(ed) for the vaccine manufacturer. It
talks about SV40(a monkey virus) having contaminated polio vaccines
available and given to the population even after clean vaccines were
made. It talks about a strong possibility that SV40 could be causing
cancer and the need for further 'independant' studies. I guess you
ignore what you can't or don't want to argue with? I just wasn't sure
why you chose to avoid commenting, maybe it was too confusing to you?
>
>
>
>
>
> > > And to top it off, all these things, along with combinations of
> > > between 2 - 8 viruses are all injected into infants bodies, causing
> > > inflamation, fever, localized swelling, just to name a few of the
> > > minor reactions.
>
> > Hmm...did you read the word "antigen"? Also, side effects are
> > extraordinarily rare and far milder than getting the actual disease.
> > You are too young to know what it was like when these diseases ran
> > rampant. If that returns, I will not stand in your way of getting a
> > clue and rescuing your children from your former negligence.
>
> > > If vaccines do not cause neurological issues, then why has the US
> > > government set up a fund to pay out to those who are injured by
> > > vaccines?-
>
> > Simple. They wanted to limit the number of frivolous lawsuits against
> > the manufacturers since that would dry up research and no progress to
> > future safety will be made. In no way what-so-ever is the fund a
> > concession of your point.- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Bob Badour
That thar McCarron thang ain't nuthin!
Danielle Blais... Her primary qualification for the job she got at the
Quebec Société de l'autisme is her murder of her autistic son. She
chased him down and drowned him in the bathtub a full 5 years before
Andrea Yates did the same to her children. Everyone has heard of Yates
and nobody would ever dream of giving her a job advising people on
parenting young children.
http://autismcrisis.blogspot.com/2006/11/murder-of-charles-antoine-blais.html
Mark Probert
> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:28:48 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
Mindy is unhappy that I rejected her "proof", the totally orchestrated
and slanted Dan Burton hearings from several years ago. Mindy, like
most pro-infectious disease merchants of disability and death, is
stuck in a time warp, where something that happened years ago trumps
everything that we have learned since then. This is not to say that
the BurtonBaloney is worth much more than a perusal tolearn how to set
up a circus.
She also does not like the fact that I refer to her as a parasite
since she does not vaccinate her children and is freeloading off of
other parents who have vaccinated their children.
No Body
TV broken? Can't read?
"drcee" <drce...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
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On Jun 22, 5:41 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> One of the logical inconsistencies of those who promote the failed
> "vaccines cause Autism" myth is that they cannot explain why a vaccine
> would cause something that getting the disease does not.
Uhmm, Pervert, the disease does not contain mercury, aluminum,
squalene, other aduvants, vicarious genetic material, all injected
into the living organism and bypassing the normal protective
mechanisms.
I know that
> they whine about the "toxins", etc. but all of those chemicals are
> natural to the human body to one degree or another.
Mercury is not natural to the body. Aluminum is not natural to the
body. Injected squalene is treated as a foriegn chemical as is all
the other ingredients.
Your perverted comments are as perverted as you are.
DrCee
You cannot secure nor restore health with pus or poisons. You can
make a heck of a lot of money trying as our monopoly docs (MDs) prove.
No Body
proves that vaccines have nothing to do with autism? What, were you on a
deserted island with nemo?
"mindy" <UsR...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> One of the logical inconsistencies of those who promote the failed
> "vaccines cause Autism" myth is that they cannot explain why a vaccine
> would cause something that getting the disease does not. I know that
> they whine about the "toxins", etc. but all of those chemicals are
> natural to the human body to one degree or another.
>
> And, of course, in classic goal post shifting, they now claim "too
> many, too soon" not realizing that there are now fewer antigens in the
> vaccine schedule than before.- Hide quoted text -
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Foreign DNA from monkey kidneys is not natural to the human body,
unless of course someone in your past family tree conceived from
practicing beastiality. Which I doubt happened.
Then there is the mercury, the aluminum, and a long list of other
contaminates including unknown monkey viruses, like what happened with
polio and the SV40 virus, which by the way was named SV40 because it
was the 40th monkey virus found contaminating vaccinesl.
And to top it off, all these things, along with combinations of
between 2 - 8 viruses are all injected into infants bodies, causing
inflamation, fever, localized swelling, just to name a few of the
minor reactions.
If vaccines do not cause neurological issues, then why has the US
No Body
My 10yr old is the only one out of my 4 to have ASD. He is the
sweetest, most caring, intelligent and creative one out of the 4. We
as a family have adapted to him and his behaviors not forcing him into
ABA or any other type of therapy. He is slower than the rest of his
class but this year in school, he made the most improvement of all his
class. I couldn't be more proud.
I presume he is a wee aspie. Why do you then, with all this pride, still
act like there is something wrong with him?
No Body
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> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 15:47:56 -0700 (PDT), rpautrey2 <rpau...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
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>>Vaccines and Neurological Damage
>>http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/neurological_damage.htm
>>
>>Vaccinations are very neurotoxic and have been associated with many
>>neurological disorders, like encephalopathies, epilepsy, convulsions,
>>ADD, LD, autism, mental retardation, depression, anxiety, CNS
>>disorders, paralysis, Guillain-Barre Syndrome, nerve deafness,
>>blindness and SIDS.
>
> Mercola is a very dangerous charlatan who makes big friendship with nearly
> every
> quackery he can get his hands on.
>
> The FTC is on his heels, and it already put the thumbs down on him.
>
> --
> "Wenn du eine Frau siehst, denke, es sei der Teufel!
> Sie ist eine Art H�lle!" (Papst Pius II., 1405-1464)
Du bist wannsinnig!
>
> Mehr �ber christliche Lebensart: http://www.reimbibel.de
No Body
Hey Mark... I came across this... and I do believe they are talking
about YOU!!!
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/f569f86c8ed22f4e
I should have figured you for a troll.
I can't say I'm surprised to see Mark here; I've seen him being a
one-size-fits-all know-it-all in a bazillion groups over the last ten years
or so. He is a freaking jackass.
Muddle
For the record I personally think that health care in it's current form
needs to be dismantled completely. Making exorbitant profits from the
pain and suffering of others should be against the law. The disparity in
the industry is appalling, people like Steve Jobs shouldn't be able to
butt in line to get transplants. Canadians and Mexicans shouldn't be
able to purchase medication at a third the price those in the U.S. do.
Health industry shills and lobyists ought to be shot. etc. ad infinitum
mindy
> On Wed, 24 Jun 2009 09:28:48 -0700 (PDT), in misc.health.alternative,
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> Bob Officer
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I'm sorry, I didn't know Mark had someone else answering for him.
And I also didn't know that adressing someone personally was
'stalking'.
No Body
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> Happy Oyster wrote:
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>> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 15:21:18 -0300, Bob Badour <bba...@pei.sympatico.ca>
>> wrote:
>>
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>>>* based on the state of things in nature; constituted by nature: Growth
>>>is a natural process.
>>
>> That is bullshit. Parasites are not natural to the body.
>
> Au contraire. Various retroviruses form a fundamental part of the human
> genome, and we would not be able to digest many foods or absorb certain
> vital nutrients without the help of various parasitic bacterial fauna.
I wasn't going to mention this, lest I be cast in the mold of loonie,
but I've seen precisely that sort of thing in recent developments in
genetics. There is a lot more encoded in our DNA than eye color and shoe
size.
No Body
> On Tue, 23 Jun 2009 00:55:53 -0400, "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
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>>Neurochemical hypothesis: participation by aluminum in producing critical
>>mass of colocalized errors in brain leads to neurological disease.
>
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> Jan Drew even is too dumb to quote.
Du bist sehr dumm....
>
> --
> "Die Frau ist ein Mi�griff der Natur... mit ihrem Feuchtigkeits-�berschu�
> und ihrer Untertemperatur k�rperlich und geistig minderwertiger... eine
> Art verst�mmelter, verfehlter, mi�lungener Mann...die volle Verwirklichung
> der menschlichen Art ist nur der Mann."
> Thomas von Aquin, hl., Kirchenlehrer, 1225-1274
> Heilsames �ber christliche Lebensart: http://www.reimbibel.de
No Body
> http://tech.yahoo.com/news/ap/20090621/ap_on_hi_te/us_tec_bloggers_freebie_disclosures
>
> <quote>
> FTC plans to monitor blogs for claims, payments
> By DEBORAH YAO, AP Business Writer - Sun Jun 21, 2009 2:02PM EDT
>
> Savvy consumers often go online for independent consumer reviews of
> products and services, scouring through comments from everyday Joes and
> Janes to help them find a gem or shun a lemon.
>
> What some fail to realize, though, is that such reviews can be tainted:
> Many bloggers have accepted perks such as free laptops, trips to Europe,
> $500 gift cards or even thousands of dollars for a 200-word post.
The oldest joke on the net is this:
"It must be true, I read it on the internet."
When did people start think reading something on the internet was a
reliable source of information? What is everybody, five? Has the world gone
mad?
And why are your sigs auf Deutsch?
Afraid to state in plain English that Aquinas called Women a MISTAKE OF
NATURE??? Both of you are fucking idiots!
Er ist nicht eine Kirchenlehrer, er ist eine scheiBekopf im Holle...
>
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>
> On the Net:
>
> Proposed guidelines:
>
> http://www.ftc.gov/os/2008/11/P034520endorsementguides.pdf
> </quote>
Jeff
> You fail to recognize that the vaccine theory has been disproven.
> TV broken? Can't read?
I know what you mean. All those people dying in the US from polio,
measles and smallpox prove it everyday. ;-)
Seriously, there is no "vaccine theory." There is immunology. And our
understanding of immunology is supported every single day in experiments
that back it and extend it each and every day. We don't everything about
immunology, but we understand how all the licensed vaccines work, how
the immune system makes antibodies that neutralize vaccines and how
lives are saved every day because no one get small pox, polio or measles
in most developed countries, and the incidence and mortality of other
vaccine-preventable diseases is way down, to almost zero, for diseases
like mumps, rubella, Hib invasive disease and purtussis.
If I am incorrect, please provide good evidence of that.
Jeff
Mark Probert
> You fail to recognize that the vaccine theory has been disproven.
> TV broken? Can't read?
Cannot think. Chuckie has no mind.
>
> "drcee" <drcee...@insightbb.com> wrote in message
Mark Probert
> "mindy" <UsRc...@gmail.com> wrote
You should be surprised. You rposting history has nothing to do with
me.