is this world good enough for a new born child?
Snoid
I cant seem to contamplate wheter i really want to have a child in this
world.
i m thinking hypotetically, if i could take complete care needed..
In which direction is this world going on in current moment?
Bob Badour
The world is very dynamic. The specific direction it goes in at any
given time matters little because the direction changes constantly. To a
large measure, with some very notable exceptions, the world is what we
make of it.
When I was younger, I thought I wanted to have children. Looking back, I
am very grateful that never happened. At some point, I realised becoming
a parent is signing on for 20 years of fatigue and stress. It's not like
I am well-equipped to raise well-adjusted contributing adults.
Now, if I could somehow skip parenting and go straight to
grandparenting, that would be fantastic. Spoil 'em rotten, wind them up
and send them home to their parents... THAT I could handle. ;)
RedPanda204
>
> When I was younger, I thought I wanted to have children. Looking back, I
> am very grateful that never happened. At some point, I realised becoming
> a parent is signing on for 20 years of fatigue and stress. It's not like
> I am well-equipped to raise well-adjusted contributing adults.
Based on what I have seem from friends who have sons and daughters that
are older than my son, it isn't just 20 years. The stress and worry
never end, or at least have the potential not to. Even if they're "all
grown up", they're still your offspring.
>
> Now, if I could somehow skip parenting and go straight to
> grandparenting, that would be fantastic. Spoil 'em rotten, wind them up
> and send them home to their parents... THAT I could handle. ;)
That's not completely impossible. The most common route to this, which
my SIL did was to marry someone with a son or daughter who is an adult
with children. She bypassed the entire parenting thing and went straight
to spoiling the grandkids.
Another route isn't "real" grandparenting, but there are a lot of
children who don't have grandparents in their lives. A caring adult can
step into that role. My friend's parents have played that role for my
son since he was born. While my son has all four grandparents still
alive (plus one step-grandparent), none of those is involved, even to
the degree of acknowledging his existence more then every couple of years.
RedPanda
Stephen Wilson
"Snoid" <rcr...@cmx.net> wrote in message news:hc49dg$7a1$1...@aioe.org...
It's no better or worse than it has ever been. Things change. They always
have. It's simply up to us, and to future generations, to adapt - just as
past generations have had to.
Bob Badour
> Bob Badour wrote:
>
>> When I was younger, I thought I wanted to have children. Looking back,
>> I am very grateful that never happened. At some point, I realised
>> becoming a parent is signing on for 20 years of fatigue and stress.
>> It's not like I am well-equipped to raise well-adjusted contributing
>> adults.
>
> Based on what I have seem from friends who have sons and daughters that
> are older than my son, it isn't just 20 years. The stress and worry
> never end, or at least have the potential not to. Even if they're "all
> grown up", they're still your offspring.
I stand corrected: s/b "*at least* 20 years of fatigue and stress."
>> Now, if I could somehow skip parenting and go straight to
>> grandparenting, that would be fantastic. Spoil 'em rotten, wind them
>> up and send them home to their parents... THAT I could handle. ;)
>
> That's not completely impossible. The most common route to this, which
> my SIL did was to marry someone with a son or daughter who is an adult
> with children. She bypassed the entire parenting thing and went straight
> to spoiling the grandkids.
>
> Another route isn't "real" grandparenting, but there are a lot of
> children who don't have grandparents in their lives. A caring adult can
> step into that role. My friend's parents have played that role for my
> son since he was born. While my son has all four grandparents still
> alive (plus one step-grandparent), none of those is involved, even to
> the degree of acknowledging his existence more then every couple of years.
Here's the thing: I am a single man in my 40's. No girlfriend. I live
alone with my dogs and a cat. While I am happy and friendly and normal
enough, most people would find me a little "off" because I am autistic.
If someone told me they were entrusting their child to a man fitting
that description, I would have to haul off and give them a dirty look.
Realistically, an opportunity like that will never arise, and if it did,
I wouldn't put myself in that situation.
Dolphinius
Think of a plughole.
I don't naturally have a desire for children, but I would feel very
bad about bringing a child into the world because of what I think they
will have to face. Maybe that is my personality - I suppose I might
have felt that way at any time in history. However, we are clearly now
overpopulated and with no plan to deal with the overpopulation.
Dolphinius
(Male, mid-thirties, UK, self-diagnosed AS)
Buzzard
> Snip
> Now, if I could somehow skip parenting and go straight to
> grandparenting, that would be fantastic. Spoil 'em rotten, wind them up
> and send them home to their parents... THAT I could handle. ;)
It can be almost like skipping straight to grandparenting
if your siblings have spouses and are producing kids.
Gareeth
>>
> It can be almost like skipping straight to grandparenting
> if your siblings have spouses and are producing kids.
Yeah being an aunt or uncle is not too different from grandparenting
although your siblings might expect you to toe their family line more than
they would ask a grandparent to do. I always enjoyed the time I spent with
my nephew but alas he is 18 now.
Gareeth
Geoff
we only have too many poeple when we don't have enough food to eat
(certainly in some areas it's tough to find enough food)
so, are we still overpopulated?
Arak
Every generation seems to think the world is getting worse as the
years go by. Is it, though?
From the "Always Wear Sunscreen" speech:
"Accept certain inalienable truths. Prices will rise. Politicians
will philander. You, too, will get old. And when you do, you'll
fantasize that when you were young, prices were reasonable,
politicians were noble, and children respected their elders."
That said, I'm not having children. I don't want them. I know for a
fact that I can't handle them. High pitches noises hurt my ears and if
I don't get enough sleep, I am a like a cranky bear with a thorn in
its paw. I like my freedom. I don't ever want to have to attend a
"Wiggles" concert (*shudder*) or be forced to speak the asinine
language of childhood. I despised being a child and I know I should
not have children of my own. I don't even want a dog because they are
too high maintenance! Why would I want a child?
At least I have the sense to know that and will not be subjecting some
poor child to me as a mother in this lifetime.
Most importantly, I know that if a child of mine had autism and had to
go through the same BS that I had to go through and many others do,
I'd probably be in jail for killing someone (not my kid, though...
probably some therapist, doctor or school official who pi$$ed me off
just once too many).
I'm an aunt and even a great-aunt now that one of my hubby's nephews
has two kiddies of his own! Fortunately, I am not expected to look
after anyone's kids because none of my extended family live anywhere
near me. I do have to buy presents for my youngest nephew (5 years
old) and niece (3 years old) on birthdays and at Christmas, but that's
about it. They live in another province, so the presents need to be
small enough to be mailed. Ah, for the days when the kids are old
enough to appreciate just getting a card with some money in it!
Anyway... I've gone off on a tangent....
Is the world getting worse? I don't think so. The world's not perfect
and it's not likely going to be anytime soon unless the entire human
species makes some changes (in my opinion).
However, the lives of my potential children are better without me in
them. That is one part of the world's problems I can prevent and I do
wholeheartedly!
Arak /|\
Dolphinius
> Dolphinius wrote:
> > On 26 Oct, 13:50, "Snoid" <rcr...@cmx.net> wrote:
>
> >> In which direction is this world going on in current moment?
>
> > Think of a plughole.
>
> > I don't naturally have a desire for children, but I would feel very
> > bad about bringing a child into the world because of what I think they
> > will have to face. Maybe that is my personality - I suppose I might
> > have felt that way at any time in history. However, we are clearly now
> > overpopulated and with no plan to deal with the overpopulation.
>
>
> (certainly in some areas it's tough to find enough food)
>
> so, are we still overpopulated?
I thought we were overpopulated because I understand we are consuming
the world's resources at an unsustainable rate. The overpopulation is
projected to lead to future problems and hardship even if it is not
doing so now.
Bob Badour
Any mined resource is consumed at an unsustainable rate. That doesn't
stop us from using and reusing those resources. The market is already
doing what it does to reallocate resources as relative scarcities change.
Geoff is right: We are not overpopulated until we hit a malthusian
limit. No other definition has any real meaning.
Snoid
"Arak" <arak.t...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:c87930e4-3e90-4a04...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
On Oct 26, 7:50 am, "Snoid" <rcr...@cmx.net> wrote:
> I cant seem to contamplate wheter i really want to have a child in this
> world.
> i m thinking hypotetically, if i could take complete care needed..
>
> In which direction is this world going on in current moment?
-Every generation seems to think the world is getting worse as the
-years go by. Is it, though?
Problem is that in this , or other newsgroups with prefix "support"
(which is american trade mark, support group ) there are no present
people from some regions. Not to involve the politcs completely
i just want u to tell u that there is two version of program "Voice of
America"
One u can eventually hear in your country , and other for "non-followers"
u are not able to hear / not have permission to other one.
Even Goebels was not so imaginative.
Off course somewhere is better.
Iran is much better that this non-sense i.e. because there is
at least some-system-of-value , while others seem to self-poison themselves
with the SM programs of their sick governments.
Bob Badour
>
> "Arak" <arak.t...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:c87930e4-3e90-4a04...@a37g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> On Oct 26, 7:50 am, "Snoid" <rcr...@cmx.net> wrote:
>
>> I cant seem to contamplate wheter i really want to have a child in this
>> world.
>> i m thinking hypotetically, if i could take complete care needed..
>>
>> In which direction is this world going on in current moment?
>
> -Every generation seems to think the world is getting worse as the
> -years go by. Is it, though?
>
> Problem is that in this , or other newsgroups with prefix "support"
> (which is american trade mark, support group ) there are no present
> people from some regions. Not to involve the politcs completely
> i just want u to tell u that there is two version of program "Voice of
> America"
> One u can eventually hear in your country , and other for "non-followers"
> u are not able to hear / not have permission to other one.
We don't get Voice of America over here. It's for feeding propaganda
into (hostile?) countries.
> Even Goebels was not so imaginative.
>
> Off course somewhere is better.
>
> Iran is much better that this non-sense i.e. because there is
> at least some-system-of-value , while others seem to self-poison themselves
> with the SM programs of their sick governments.
SM?