Newly Diagnosed
Ed Brumley
I am brand new to this group and thought I would introduce myself and
say Hello. I am a newly diagnosed person with Asperger's and my Psyc.
suggested looking to the internet for help and support. I was
diagnosed a little over a month ago after I was forced by my
supervisor at work to seek counseling about my poor communication
skills. I'm a 39 year old male that has gone "undiagnosed" until now.
I was forced into counseling because, dispite having great job evals/
and great work skills people I worked with found me rude and
unfriendly. I didn't realize that I had poor social skills until now.
However, dispite that with my Psyc's help I've finally had an acurate
diagnoses and am uncertain how to go on after that. I've told my
family and they are supportive. My parents now have some sense of
relief because they felt I was somehow "odd" my whole life. But I'm at
a loss of what to do next. I have to tell my boss as I'm required to
let her know how the counseling is going. But what can I expect? I had
no idea that I was that strange or weird until I started going to
counseling. Just a little about me might help. I'm a librarian in a
job that I love (cataloging) which kind of keeps me isolated and away
from people. When I do ineract with people I mostly stand to the side
and nod my general agreement. I'm often stuck trying to find words
when people talk to me, and sometimes I just give up. When people
interupt my work, I find it difficult to regain my train of thought,
and tend to snap at people. Thus leading to my "rude" behavior. I've
always kind of thought of myself as being a little "odd" or geeky at
it's kind of a relief to have a condition to blame it on. I'd really
also like to hear from guys that are having problems with sexual
identity/gay issues. I'm fairly certain that I'm gay but really have
no way to experience it. I've been with a few people but it's been a
fiasco every time. I'm fairly asexual and if I could reproduce buy
budding I would, LOL. But my Psych. and I have made a list of issues
and this is one that they wanted me to explore. I'd appreciate any
help I could get. Thanks for being here!
Ed Brumley
Larry
Sounds like a good job for someone who likes cataloging. Sadly the number of
books seems to diminish in our main library week by week. I notice as whole
shelves dissapear in re-arranging.
I used to know where everything was in the library, although on sees "creep"
as books move along the shelves gradually during replacement.
I like the idea of being able to go into a library and selecting a book by
remembering its place, rather than it catalog number, which for me being
dyscalculic and dyslexic is stuff I can't remember
Incidentally if you ever find a copy of the Lambretta tuning and performance
manual, send it to the British library as they do not possess a copy. They
don't have a copy of Civilia the end of suburban man either. I was disgusted
when my library got rid of this many years ago, as it is of local intersest
and the only known copy that I have herd of is in a specialist library in
the University of Lancaster I think. This is a little known work of interest
to architectural and urban visionaries and if anyone has a copy I want it
badly.
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
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Alan Winston
> man either. I was disgusted when my library got rid of this many
> years ago, as it is of local intersest and the only known copy that I
> have herd of is in a specialist library in the University of
> Lancaster I think. This is a little known work of interest to
> architectural and urban visionaries and if anyone has a copy I want
> it badly.
http://www.petrej.ch/shop/showoneitem.cfm?ItemID=31393
wA
Larry
I have tried to ascertain whether he can mail to the UK in very bad Swiss.
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"Alan Winston" <awin...@scn.org> wrote in message
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Ventura33
> I'm a 39 year old male that has gone "undiagnosed" until now.
Hi there. I'm also 39 and didn't know anything about Asperger's until my
son's principal showed me an article about it last year, which seemed to
describe several people in my family rather accurately.
> My parents now have some sense of relief
> because they felt I was somehow "odd" my whole life.
Not an issue with my folks. My father is a lot more "odd" than I could ever
be, LOL.
> But I'm at a loss of what to do next.
Finding information on the Internet sounds like good advice from your
counselor. You'll certainly find some interesting discussions in this
newsgroup.
> I have to tell my boss as I'm required to let her
> know how the counseling is going.
Keep in mind that you have privacy rights, which are protected by law. Your
boss has no authority to require you to tell her the details of your
diagnosis, what issues (other than social skills) you discussed with the
counselor, whether or not you think you might be gay, etc. That's none of
her business. Just tell your boss that you are continuing to see the
counselor, that the sessions are going well, and that you are working on
improving your social skills. If she gets too nosy, tell her that you don't
feel comfortable discussing personal matters while you're at work -- that
should shut her up effectively, while still being polite. You might also
want to contact someone in your personnel/HR office to get more information
about your privacy rights.
> I had no idea that I was that strange or weird
> until I started going to counseling.
Lots of people go to counseling nowadays, for various reasons. Seeing a
counselor doesn't automatically mean that you're strange or weird.
> When people interupt my work, I find it difficult to regain
> my train of thought, and tend to snap at people.
I have days like that sometimes -- can usually deal with it by reminding
myself not to sweat the small stuff, and being interrupted is small stuff.
Also, meditation and regular exercise can be helpful for reducing stress
generally.
Ventura
Alan Winston
>
> I have tried to ascertain whether he can mail to the UK in very bad
> Swiss.
Cool.
He should understand English fine, or at least enough to complete an
order.
I'm looking forward to seeing this book. The county library system here
( http://www.kcls.org/ ) has a copy, which is now on hold for me.
wA
Larry
http://architronic.saed.kent.edu/v3n2/v3n2.03.html
Basically it is a concept using photographic collage (as was popular with
architects post watercolor and pre photoshop) for a city of 2 million built
ziggurat fashion in the hartshill quarry at Nuneaton.
First saw it on a news item on local TV.
That our library has not kept a copy of the book considering its local
interest is a crime, however many of the architectural books that used to be
there have also long gone. I used to spend hours browsing them, forunately I
have built up my own library of structure plans and other stuff, some of
which comes from what the council was going to throw away when it closed the
information centre, some of which I inherited from the library of a
community association when it closed down.
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"Alan Winston" <awin...@scn.org> wrote in message
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Nick Argall
"Ventura33" <nos...@ventura33.com> wrote in message
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> You might also
> want to contact someone in your personnel/HR office to get more
information
> about your privacy rights.
The HR department are not on your side, they are on the side of the company
you work for. Get advice from someone who's working for you, a counsellor
or a lawyer who works in the area of employment and disability.
Nick
Alan Winston
>
http://216.239.59.104/search?q=cache:EEKnfpdgqwoJ:society.guardian.co.uk/urbandesign/story/0,11200,821550,00.html+civilia+suburban+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
>
> http://architronic.saed.kent.edu/v3n2/v3n2.03.html
>
> Basically it is a concept using photographic collage (as was popular
> with
> architects post watercolor and pre photoshop) for a city of 2 million
> built
> ziggurat fashion in the hartshill quarry at Nuneaton.
Ja. :)
Should be fun.
I took several urban planning classes when I was a Geography major,
about 25 years ago. Might have foccussed on that if there hadn't been
ten times as many folks graduating in it as there were job
opportunities. Economic Geography wasn't much better, but there was more
fun with computers.
> That our library has not kept a copy of the book considering its local
> interest is a crime, however many of the architectural books that
> used to be
> there have also long gone. I used to spend hours browsing them,
> forunately I
> have built up my own library of structure plans and other stuff, some
> of
> which comes from what the council was going to throw away when it
> closed the
> information centre, some of which I inherited from the library of a
> community association when it closed down.
My favorite architecture book is _Architecture of the Early XXth
Century_ by Peter Haiko. Lovely big book of material reprinted from a
German quarterly, 1901-1914, 312 pages of text (with diagrams, plans) in
parallel columns of German, French, and English, set entirely in the
Jugendstil (Art Nouveau) typeface "Eckmann" (
http://www.identifont.com/show?2BK ), plus 216 pages of photographs.
Octavo. Quite something.
Alan
Nick Argall
> also like to hear from guys that are having problems with sexual
> identity/gay issues. I'm fairly certain that I'm gay but really have
> no way to experience it. I've been with a few people but it's been a
> fiasco every time. I'm fairly asexual and if I could reproduce buy
> budding I would, LOL. But my Psych. and I have made a list of issues
> and this is one that they wanted me to explore. I'd appreciate any
> help I could get. Thanks for being here!
Hi :)
I've had a number of gender identity uncertainties, and ended up settling on
'androgynous', because it's the least worst fit :) I'm 'bi-curious', as
they say out there - a man who would experiment with a homosexual
relationship, if he met the right man. Apparently, sexual practices that
don't match social norms are many times more common in the autistic
community than they are in the NT community, so you're in good company.
Nick
sggaB the Slug
wrote:
>> I'd really
>> also like to hear from guys that are having problems with sexual
>> identity/gay issues. I'm fairly certain that I'm gay but really have
>> no way to experience it. I've been with a few people but it's been a
>> fiasco every time. I'm fairly asexual and if I could reproduce buy
>> budding I would, LOL. But my Psych. and I have made a list of issues
>> and this is one that they wanted me to explore. I'd appreciate any
>> help I could get. Thanks for being here!
> I've had a number of gender identity uncertainties, and ended up settling on
> 'androgynous', because it's the least worst fit :) I'm 'bi-curious', as
> they say out there - a man who would experiment with a homosexual
> relationship, if he met the right man. Apparently, sexual practices that
> don't match social norms are many times more common in the autistic
> community than they are in the NT community, so you're in good company.
I'm not a guy, but I (a) never really fit in with traditional femininity
(it's common, it seems, for autistic people to break gender roles like we
break just about every other social norm), and (b) am gay.
For whoever posted here originally asking that question (I somehow missed
it) -- there are a few mailing lists for autistic people with alternate
gender identities and/or sexual orientations. The ones I know of:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/AC-GLBT/
("This mailing list is for people who have autism, aspergers or a related
condition and are also gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered or
questioning.")
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransgenderPDD/
("This group is for individuals who have lives that have been touched by
both Pervasive Developmental Disorders and Gender Identity issues.")
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TheOtherQueers/
("This group was started by a small group of auties who are also gay,
lesbian, bisexual, or transgender. We want to start a dialog between the
two "communities."")
--
sggaB
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Lawrence Foard
Yes, thats something I've been noticing. Of the real world NTs I know
80+% are straight, of the ACs I know ~50% are gay, bi or asexual.
Cuddly seems to often be a frequent AC orientation. Talking on an
queer AC e-mail list people where mentioning how frustrating it was
that so few men wanted to cuddle. We can be kind of like koala bears :)
--
Be a counter terrorist perpetrate random senseless acts of kindness
Rave: Immanentization of the Eschaton in a Temporary Autonomous Zone.
Cuddling is to the skin as music is to the ears
NatureloverChris
>
>
>I've had a number of gender identity uncertainties, and ended up settling on
>'androgynous', because it's the least worst fit :) I'm 'bi-curious', as
>they say out there - a man who would experiment with a homosexual
>relationship, if he met the right man. Apparently, sexual practices that
>don't match social norms are many times more common in the autistic
>community than they are in the NT community, so you're in good company.
>
I would describe myself as mostly asexual. I do find men attractive (I am
female) sometimes but the idea of a relationship exhausts me. I have also found
some women attractive and am mildly curious. I was very much the tom-boy and
still have some masculine traits.
Chris
sggaB the Slug
> Yes, thats something I've been noticing. Of the real world NTs I know
> 80+% are straight, of the ACs I know ~50% are gay, bi or asexual.
Or trans. I'm trying to think of ACs I've met offline. I've met a lot in
special ed who couldn't tell anyone in words which they were, I've met one
FTM transguy, several lesbians, one asexual/"don't label me" woman, one
straight man, and several I never asked.
> Cuddly seems to often be a frequent AC orientation. Talking on an
> queer AC e-mail list people where mentioning how frustrating it was
> that so few men wanted to cuddle. We can be kind of like koala bears :)
Or cats -- I tend to try to crawl into friends' laps and get my head
scritched (this more affectionate than sexual). Which can be a problem if
they're either tactile-defensive or smaller than me.
Larry
I have towards a new architecture by le Corbusier,
I did a course on Urban Planning at Uni back in 77 it was the only one I
did well at I seem to recall.
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"Alan Winston" <awin...@scn.org> wrote in message
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> Larry wrote:
> Ja. :)
>
> Should be fun.
>
> I took several urban planning classes when I was a Geography major,
> about 25 years ago. Might have foccussed on that if there hadn't been
> ten times as many folks graduating in it as there were job
> opportunities. Economic Geography wasn't much better, but there was more
> fun with computers.
>
>
Matthames
"Nick Argall" <nick....@aplaceof.removedotcom.info.com> wrote in message
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to see the Disablity Employment Advisor (DEA). They should be able to give
you lots of advice on a few issues you may have.
Another thing you might want to check out is this website
http://www.skill.org.uk Even though this site is mostly about students with
disabilities it has loads about going into work, disclosure etc etc ......
I hope this is of help to you, Matt
--
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Matthames
of girly things. Outwardly I am male. But inside I am mixed up. I am not gay
though. People mistake me as gay. I have found a number of people of both
genders attractive. But I do have a bias towards finding females attractive.
I have had some blokes try giving me the come on. As they were getting too
close for comfort I had to leave. Because of my AS I couldn't read their
intentions early enough. I had one bloke try it on in a computer room. When
he started to touch me in what I felt was an inapropriate way (stroke my
leg) I got up and moved. From then on I avoided this chap like the plague.
The type of women I am attracted to are action women. Boy did I drool when I
watched Tomb Raider the movie. As far as relationships go I haven't had
anything that I would call serious. I couldn't read the signs if it jumped
up and bit me on the bum. This relationship problem goes for all types of
sexual orientation. At the moment though I am trying my best with a couple
of ladies I have just met. They would probably go the same way as others
have done. None have wanted to be more than friends with me. This is really
annoying because it makes me feel unwanted and depressed. What really bugs
me is my friends trying to get each other hitched up but ignoring me. I
really hate that. Talk about sprinkling salt in the wound.
Tommy
"Nick Argall" wrote
> The HR department are not on your side, they are on the side
> of the company you work for.
That sounds like good advice. Make no mistake the 'H'
isn't for 'human' : )
> Get advice from someone who's working for you, a counsellor
> or a lawyer who works in the area of employment and disability.
What strikes me as odd is here is someone with special needs in the area of
communication and all they can do is try and be understood by someone who
isn't likely to understand them. Why hasn't the autism community or autism
societies developed any kind of legal advocacy for those who find themselves
in such predicaments? Most agencies can't wait to take on legal issues for
hapless victims - brings visability to both the need and issues.
I don't mean to sound like I expect you to answers to me on this but if you
have any ideas, or anyone else does, could we please have them?
Tommy
Gatto Fritto
prefer it that way. It was very uncomfortable to be at once attracted to
and repelled by the object of my desire. And besides, I can't maintain
relationships, anyway. Gender is just one of the social institutions in
which I refuse to participate. And that's caused confusion, too. Some
people think I'm going out of my way to seem effeminate when I'm just
being what I am. I settled into asexuality quite nicely, I don't miss
anything.
Gatto
dickinson
> I haven't had any sex drive since I've been on Paxil,
And it doesn't get *that much* better once you come off it (ime). Beware
the facial ticks also......they started for me, about 3 months into
taking paxil.
alice
> Hello all:
>
> I am brand new to this group and thought I would introduce myself and
> say Hello. I am a newly diagnosed person with Asperger's and my Psyc.
> suggested looking to the internet for help and support.
Hi, Ed, and welcome.
I hope you like it here in a.s.a. There are lots of autistics who post
here, and I've personally founding it relieving to find so many people
with similar issues. Hopefully you'll also find much of what you need here.
-alice (AS)
Gatto Fritto
Yeah, I've been getting those, too. But I guess I don't really care. If
it makes me feel the tiniest bit better, it's probably worth it.
Gatto
Larry
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"Alan Winston" <awin...@scn.org> wrote in message
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Polyrhythmia
to be attractive, I can't make any kind of relationship out of it. I was
past 40 before I did anything sexual, and my role in it was being passive.
There still is no way I could do the active role. In the past I considered
myself to be asexual, and given my experiences with guys, that may still be
the best way to identify myself. And as for my work situation, what is
going to sink me is going to be my relations with people. And by the way, I
can't stand to cuddle with anyone. I must have my space.
sggaB the Slug
> isn't likely to understand them. Why hasn't the autism community or autism
> societies developed any kind of legal advocacy for those who find themselves
> in such predicaments? Most agencies can't wait to take on legal issues for
Because autism societies were in general founded with the needs of parents
in mind, not the needs of autistic people, because they were generally
founded *by* parents and that's who they tend to think about.
growi...@hotmail.com
> Because autism societies were in general founded with the needs of parents
> in mind, not the needs of autistic people, because they were generally
> founded *by* parents and that's who they tend to think about.
Exactly. A great example is the tremendous amount of lobbying that the
ASA (Autism Society of America) is doing recently for IDEA (A US
education law). Certainly IDEA is an important issue, and I do support
ASA's position on it. But the average person is only in school maybe
20% of their life. So I would think 80% of ASA's time, resources, etc,
would be going toward the rest of our life. A great example of a law
which affects US autistics is the ADA. IDEA doesn't have much effect
once you are an adult, but ADA does. And it continues to be weakened.
Yet I don't see ASA lobbying to get a stronger ADA.
Don't believe me? Go to:
http://www.autism-society.org/site/PageServer?pagename=capitolhill
While they are the "only" national autism organization working on behalf
of individuals with ASD across the lifespan (a direct quote from the
above link - and a quote I strongly disagree with), it is interesting
to note the amount of information they have about laws affecting
children - including mention of specific legal challenges and advocacy
that is needed. It's also interesting to contrast this to the two
measly paragraphs they have talking about adult services, which
basically say, "Yes, we agree there are problems here" but lack any
specific actions that they are trying to conduct - perhaps because
they aren't trying (Oh, I do guess we will get a white paper this
year - oh boy).
Just to make it clear, so I'm not accused of bashing parents, I do
think parents do need help, and I do support that. I just ask that
the adults don't get ignored in the process. I also ask that autistics
would be involved in setting policy in groups that claim to speak for
autistics. "Involved" means more then a token role. I suspect any
other group would ask the same. No, I don't think I would agree 100%
with even an autistic run organization (in fact I *KNOW* I wouldn't).
But at least I would feel our voice had a chance at being heard.
!End Rant!
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Joel
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> I know the Eckman typface. That book sounds cool.
A bit of a tangent here but speaking of typefaces, my favourite has to
be New Johnston aka the London Underground font. I love the diamonds
used to dot the i's and the general appearance of the letters. I can
also tell when some poster or document or bit of promotional literature
is using an incorrect or slightly dodgy version of it, and it really
annoys me when they do.
--
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Mike Stanton
>Just to make it clear, so I'm not accused of bashing parents, I do
>think parents do need help, and I do support that. I just ask that
>the adults don't get ignored in the process. I also ask that autistics
>would be involved in setting policy in groups that claim to speak for
>autistics. "Involved" means more then a token role. I suspect any
>other group would ask the same. No, I don't think I would agree 100%
>with even an autistic run organization (in fact I *KNOW* I wouldn't).
>But at least I would feel our voice had a chance at being heard.
>
>!End Rant!
Agree with rant.
--
Mike
Serving neither God nor Mammon
on the Lonely Planet
Ventura33
> The HR department are not on your side, they are
> on the side of the company you work for.
Very true. But they will usually have official company policies that mirror
the labor laws, so as to cover their backsides if a supervisor does anything
improper. Those policies are available to employees upon request. In the
case of public employees (as most librarians are) civil service regulations
would apply.
A letter to the HR or civil service personnel office, requesting
information about the privacy rights of an employee in a counseling program,
would get a response explaining the official policy, as well as putting HR
on notice that there is a potential area of concern here. They don't want
lawsuits, obviously, so in a situation where the boss is demanding
information she's clearly not entitled to ask for, HR might indeed take an
employee's "side" to the extent of discussing the privacy policy with his
boss and making sure that she understands the limits of her authority. (And
if it came to a lawsuit, such a letter would also document the fact that the
employee first tried unsuccessfully to resolve the problem through HR.)
But my impression, upon reading the post, was not that the boss had demanded
to be told the private details of the counseling sessions, but that the boss
had made a general request to be kept informed of how it was going. That's
not necessarily unreasonable. A supervisor who has required an employee to
seek counseling (presumably as an alternative to disciplinary action) will
want to check with the employee to make sure that he is continuing to attend
the counseling sessions and to work on the issues for which he was referred.
The employee is not required to provide (and would be sensible not to
provide) any more information than the fact that he is doing so. If the
supervisor does not pry, and if the counseling successfully resolves the
social issues in the workplace, there may not be any problems.
> Get advice from someone who's working for you, a counsellor
> or a lawyer who works in the area of employment and disability.
That would indeed be the way to go if the supervisor takes any more negative
actions, or if the counseling does not improve the situation and it becomes
necessary to ask for disability accommodations.
Ventura
Alan Winston
> be New Johnston aka the London Underground font. I love the diamonds
> used to dot the i's and the general appearance of the letters. I can
> also tell when some poster or document or bit of promotional
> literature is using an incorrect or slightly dodgy version of it, and
> it really annoys me when they do.
Johnston is a fine typeface, and I have enjoyed using it a few times. My
favorite Sans Serif, when I can get away with using it instead of a
blander more common style, is Gill Sans, which was derived from
Johnston.
I'm with you on poor copies of distinctive typefaces like this.
wA
Tommy
> Outwardly I am male. But inside I am mixed up.
> I am not gay though. People mistake me as gay.
Me too. I'd be real disappointed if a shrink told me I had to switch.
Tommy
Tommy
Tommy
Larry
used to be very interested in typography when I was desk top publishing a
lot, I used to use a font called Della Robbia quite a lot.
I have a limited edition facsimile of a Kelmscott book, printed using a
letterpress technique based on plates cast from computer typsetting output,
an interesting hybrid technique which produces pages you can feel as you can
with all true letter press books
The two pinnacles of Typography were Morrises Kelmscott Chaucer and
Lawrences Seven Pillars of Wisdom
I have several books in German set in there Fraktur type.
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"Robin May" <northc...@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
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Larry
do also like Avant Garde though, in its place.
I printed my paper on the autistic landscape as a facsimile Kelmscott
edition, complete with borders and presented it to the varios experts at the
NAS 40th anniversary conference. I used Golden type.
--
Larry
"We are all of one mind, one equal mind, and if each of us persists in being
the centre of our own existence we are all doomed to suffer at each others
hands. I cannot exist on my own without you, neither can you be without me,
what is the world wide web about after all?. We are interdependent whether
we are aware of the fact or not"
"Alan Winston" <awin...@scn.org> wrote in message
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Chris Johnson
sggaB the Slug <ama...@autistics.org> wrote:
> In article <bmqbt7$9ck$1...@farviolet.com>, Lawrence Foard wrote:
>
> > Yes, thats something I've been noticing. Of the real world NTs I know
> > 80+% are straight, of the ACs I know ~50% are gay, bi or asexual.
>
> Or trans. I'm trying to think of ACs I've met offline. I've met a lot in
> special ed who couldn't tell anyone in words which they were, I've met one
> FTM transguy, several lesbians, one asexual/"don't label me" woman, one
> straight man, and several I never asked.
>
> > Cuddly seems to often be a frequent AC orientation. Talking on an
> > queer AC e-mail list people where mentioning how frustrating it was
> > that so few men wanted to cuddle. We can be kind of like koala bears :)
>
> Or cats -- I tend to try to crawl into friends' laps and get my head
> scritched (this more affectionate than sexual). Which can be a problem if
> they're either tactile-defensive or smaller than me.
Or cats in another way :)
I'm in a relationship with another Aspie, and I am male and she's
female. Both of us have responded strongly to gayness in the past and
what we have going is more driven by personal kinship than sexual
voltage.
The funny thing is that since we have the relationship going, and
communicate very directly about sexual matters instead of leaving it to
'instinct', the sexual voltage obligingly flared right up anyhow :)
hence, like cats in another way: our ACness allows for very uninhibited
sexuality. I'm liking that :)
Speaking for myself, I could very easily be gay and respond to gay
*ahem* stimuli every bit as strongly or slightly more so than straight
stimuli. However, I didn't make a _personal_ connection with any gay
guys, that's new. When it comes down to details about where my nerve
endings are at and what goes through my head, it's all about
communicating very directly and each of us are about equally capable of
weirding out or half-squicking the other, and that's okay too.
I don't have a super strong sexual drive, mind you, but for everyone
who says that I always want to ask 'do you masturbate?'. I always did.
It's just a matter of finding an outlet that's as AC-friendly as that,
which isn't a trivial problem :)
If I had to go around 'dating' or playing the field, it would be all
gay or gay-friendly poly females, because that is just easier for me to
cope with in my aspie way. I don't now, and I'm grateful, because it was
no sort of thrill to me, just stressful. My girlfriend tells me that in
settings like college it's about as easy to be female, looking, and
direct/blunt. I can well believe it :)
Chris Johnson, versatile kitty-aspie
Alan Winston
Implying not otherwise? :)
I enjoy his other artistic work, but could see how you might have some
problems with his theological, philosophical, or moral aspects.
> ... but also William
> Morris. I used to be very interested in typography when I was desk
> top publishing a lot, I used to use a font called Della Robbia quite
> a lot.
Ja. Morris was quite a figure. Big influence on Johnston and Gill, of
course.
I went through a major typeface perseveration when computer typefaces
became cheap, before that it was a longtime secondary interest, to which
it eventually returned.
> I have a limited edition facsimile of a Kelmscott book, printed using
> a letterpress technique based on plates cast from computer typsetting
> output, an interesting hybrid technique which produces pages you can
> feel as you can with all true letter press books
Ja, that is nice.
Witnessing the transitions of the printing industry over the last few
decades, from metal to photo to digital has been quite interesting. It
has not all been for the worse, but it certainly hasn't all been for the
better, either.
> The two pinnacles of Typography were Morrises Kelmscott Chaucer and
> Lawrences Seven Pillars of Wisdom
>
> I have several books in German set in there Fraktur type.
Fraktur was how I first discovered I needed glasses. Reading it gave me
a headache in about twenty minutes, in contrast to about two hours for
reading "normal" type. I could force my eyes to focus for that long
before it became a strain, but that was obviously more than long enough
to get through any eye test. That taught me to relax my eyes to get a
real eye test, rather than make an extraordinary effort to "pass the
test." Of course, I only "learned" that lesson for my eyes, and
continued to make extraordinary efforts to "pass the test" to hide other
problems.
wA
Terry Jones
>do also like Avant Garde though, in its place.
Interesting article on dyslexia friendly typefaces
http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,60834,00.html
Terry
Alan Winston
>
> http://www.wired.com/news/technology/0,1282,60834,00.html
Cool.
Web pages are slow to load, but worth the wait.
wA