Wake up call for Marica
Jan Drew
get real about Kitten.
Lies, false accusations, excuses and her behavior.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.support.attn-deficit/msg/7efe79b9486405df
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/745c0cbf54eaafaa
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/a43ec8a968e9a37c
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f16e833ae1de280e
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/0993340dcbc80e03
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/a09e42748b0fa8c9
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/be9af77809e3b372
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/1ca8e60eb3f0a13d
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/b90c94f13f3642b8
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/9fe38db5691fd419
Ann
>
>I doubt if this will wake you Up. Nevertheless.. it is past time for you to
>get real about Kitten.
Oh, shut up you moron. Get real yourself.
--
Ann
e-mail address is not checked
Marcia
Jan Drew wrote:
> I doubt if this will wake you Up. Nevertheless.. it is past time for you to
> get real about Kitten.
>
> Lies, false accusations, excuses and her behavior.
>
I'm not even going to read those links. As I've said more than once, I
base my opinion of people on my interaction with them and on my
personal (as in, I have to be here and read the entire thread in
context) observation of their behavior with others.
You and I tend to interpret things differently wrt to that.
I like Kitten: I've found her to be warm, compassionate and human. Some
of the things I believe you've seen as abuse, recently, I've seen as an
attempt to help someone she's known for a long time, and with whom
she's taken great pains to build a relationship. I'm firmly convinced
she has only the best intentions toward this person, if we're thinking
of the same one.
I don't require the people I like (or even don't like) to be perfect,
nor do I expect to always agree with them. That's okay.
You're not going to change my mind about the people on ASAD.
marcia
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
Marcia wrote:
<snipped>
> I like Kitten: I've found her to be warm, compassionate and human. Some
> of the things I believe you've seen as abuse, recently, I've seen as an
> attempt to help someone she's known for a long time, and with whom
> she's taken great pains to build a relationship. I'm firmly convinced
> she has only the best intentions toward this person, if we're thinking
> of the same one.
>
Thanks, Marcia.
WRT that one person - I've been trying to get him to see that the
passive-aggressive games about which he's been writing aren't healthy
and aren't doing him any good. <sigh> BTDT.
Kitten
Marcia
Yeah, I recognize that, and don't think your attempts have been abusive
at all. I do think you need to be firm with him sometimes, which is how
I've seen you handle the situation (iow, I would do the same).
I've made a few attempts to talk with him about it, but don't have the
same history and relationship you do, so my suggestions have mostly
been met with dismissal and resentment... so I've dropped back and
watched you, instead. He seems willing to accept my validation of his
pain, but that's all.
Don't know how much success you will have; some patterns of behavior
last a lifetime, especially if they meet a need (or perceived need),
like not having to take responsibility, or not experiencing the
consequences of ones decisions. I, myself, am the queen of avoidance,
so, being equally flawed, I can make that observation with impunity
(maybe). ;)
You just keep using your own judgment; you're doing fine. You have a
lot of wisdom from your own life experience that can benefit others,
and a compassionate way of sharing it. Hang in there. :)
marcia, who *finally* slept last night. :)
wingingit
I'm telling.....
Sheesh.
Jan Drew
"Marcia" <des...@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> Jan Drew wrote:
>> I doubt if this will wake you Up. Nevertheless.. it is past time for you
>> to
>> get real about Kitten.
>>
>> Lies, false accusations, excuses and her behavior.
>>
> <snipped>
>
> I'm not even going to read those links.
Not surprised. You don't want to see the LIES, false accusations and ABUSE.
As I've said more than once, I
> base my opinion of people on my interaction with them and on my
> personal
So do I!!
(as in, I have to be here and read the entire thread in
> context) observation of their behavior with others.
You could have read the entire thread. You chose not to.
>
> You and I tend to interpret things differently wrt to that.
>
> I like Kitten: I've found her to be warm, compassionate and human.
Sure you did. She agrees with you.
Some
> of the things I believe you've seen as abuse, recently, I've seen as an
> attempt to help someone she's known for a long time, and with whom
> she's taken great pains to build a relationship. I'm firmly convinced
> she has only the best intentions toward this person, if we're thinking
> of the same one.
>
> I don't require the people I like (or even don't like) to be perfect,
> nor do I expect to always agree with them. That's okay.
>
> You're not going to change my mind about the people on ASAD.
>
> marcia
The FACT is you also chose to believe Mark Probert and his LIES.
YOU in fact joined in with him with his LIES. You posted more. Adding to
the
fuel. YOU are a hypocrite.
I was KIND to you. You did not response in kind.
Follow the below for PROOF.
I wrote:
> On a different note, I see from your postings..you have problems and
> issues.
> This is not a religion ng. God Bless you. I wish you every blessing in
> getting those problems worked out.
> You have no history of the happenings here. Therefore, you have no clue.
> That's all I wish to say.
> Jan
You wrote:
My observation is that Mark has stopped attacking you. You, on the
> other hand, appear to be stalking him. What happened to live & let live?
Apr 29 2006
tracey3121 wrote:
Couldn't you guys learn to 'live and let live'
Kitten followed and LIED.
Mark followed by insulting.
Later he wrote:
Doing L&LL is empowering, as if I needed any more power!
===
Followed by more insulting.
Then this from Mark:
Tracey, Jan does not accept that.
Me > Oh, Yes I do.
Mark> OK...here goes....
I will end the name calling, etc. so long as you refrain from the same.
You will not call me a liar, etc. under any circumstances, but post why
you disagree with me, and use your own words.
I will abide by it, so long as you do.
==
Mark's FAKE LL&L was based on him having a free pass to LIE.
YOU followed with false accusations and INSULTS.
==
Excuse me. I have NO faith in your ability to be truthful.
Nor see the lies, abuse and behavior of certain people.
Marcia
Jan Drew wrote:
>
> Excuse me. I have NO faith in your ability to be truthful.
>
> Nor see the lies, abuse and behavior of certain people.
Well, then, I take that to mean you're done with me and I'm going in
your killfile. Right?
marcia
Raving Beauty
Jan,
Few of the posters currently posting to ASAD are earnest or legitimate
posters desiring to engage in discussion where truth and mutual
understanding is the point.
Nearly all ASAD's current posters are using ASAD as a venue to engage
in what amounts to grass roots marketeering of potent, toxic, and/or
addictive psychotropic drugs for fictitious mental illnesses, and/or
grass roots marketing of mental health professional services for
fictitious mental illnesses---at least, on the surface.
But, grass roots marketeering of potent, toxic and/or addictive
psychotropic drugs and/or professional services for fictitious mental
illnesses is NOT such posters primary motive for posting to a
discussion forum subscribed to by consumers or prospective consumers of
the aforementioned shoddy products and services.
Their primary motive for posting to ASAD is to divert, derail,
discourage, inhibit, preclude and stop any and all discussion where
truth and mutual understanding is the point....because discussions
where truth and mutual understanding is the point would cast the
shoddy pharmaceuticals and professional services in an extremely
negative light.
The purpose of ASAD's grass root marketeers posting non-stop lies,
distortions, malicious, wild, reckless, false and libelous
accusations about earnest and legitimate posters is to divert, derail,
discourage, inhibit and preclude any and all discussions where truth
and mutual understanding is the point of the discussion.
Each and every one of ASAD's grass root marketeers are filthy little
liars, spammers, and abusers, in addition to some if not all of them
being way, way, worse things.
It's impossible to have any discourse where truth and mutual
understanding is the point with posters whose primary motive for
participating in ASAD is to post malicious lies, distortions, wild,
reckless, false, slanderous, and extremely malicious accusations
about earnest and legitimate participants to derail, divert,
discourage, inhibit and preclude earnest and legitimate participants
from engaging in earnest discussion.
Such posters will use any reply you make to their filthy little lies as
a platform to post yet more lies, distortions, and/or wild, reckless,
false, slanderous, and extremely malicious accusations about you.
Grandiose delusions about themselves in relationship to other people
has resulted in their being possessed by psychopathic sense of
entitlement to do whatever they want, to whomever they want, whenever
they want, THEN lie and deny they perpetrate the crimes they do, AND,
then falsely accuse and slander their crime victims of doing what
these criminals do to their crime victims.
Each and everyone of ASAD's grass roots marketeers were accomplished
liars, pseudologues and mythomaniacs long before they subscribed to
ASAD.
Each and every one of ASAD's grass roots marketeers have spent their
entire lives perpetrating crimes against other people, then, lying
and denying they did so...AND, falsely accusing and slandering their
crime victims ---to try to discredit their victims so the perpetrators
can escape punishment for their crimes, and, can keep right on
perpetrating crimes against their fellow man.
Each and every one of ASAD's grass roots marketeers are satanists per
the actual meaning of the term satan in the bible: false accusers/
slanderers.
They aren't people who worship *satan*, as they don't believe in there
is a satan.
They are people who worship themselves, because, they believe they
are God, all knowing, infallible, omniscient, and ENTITLED to do
God's will---IOW, their will, which may include raping, sodomizing,
abusing, and killing babies as young as two months old---and, even
photographing and exchanging photographs of their heinous acts.
Why would you want to give the time of day to posters who, in all
likelihood, may well be people who rape, sodomize, molest, abuse,
torture and kill children, photograph their doing so, and/or exchange
photographs of their heinous acts?
Why not SHUN all ASAD's false accusers/slanderers aka "satanists".
Ann
>Nearly all ASAD's current posters are using ASAD as a venue to engage
>in what amounts to grass roots marketeering of potent, toxic, and/or
>addictive psychotropic drugs for fictitious mental illnesses, and/or
>grass roots marketing of mental health professional services for
>fictitious mental illnesses---at least, on the surface.
Linda, I have 1,688 messages right now in my newsreader for ASAD
(retention set for one month). Not *one* has anything for sale, nor
have I ever seen any of the regulars try to sell anything. Who's the
liar?
Marcia
The closest thing I've seen to grassroots marketeering is Jan's recent
post: http://tinyurl.com/l4w2q
Of course, Jan, not being definited by the person you're responding to
as Lying Stalking Filth *or* part of the Polymorphous Parade of
Perverts, is exempt from this complaint. ;)
marcia
O'Hush
Not true. Jan is hawking a supplement now.
Jan Drew
LOL! You learned that from your buddy....Mark Probert.
Unlike..YOU I do not lie.
** I'm not going to stoop to her level any more, respond to her posts*****
Jan Drew
"Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> wrote in message
news:1153541965.9...@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Two reasons. As I have preciously explained. These LIES are causing many
to SEARCH and SUFFER..needlessly.
This pertains to a different subject. That happened to *ME*.
The other reason IS... *I* have had first hand experience with the DRUGGING
of young kids.
See thread. Just as I predicted has come to pass.
Jan Drew
"O'Hush" <oh...@triad.rr.com> wrote in message
news:ggqwg.68477$R26....@tornado.southeast.rr.com...
That IS a lie.
I have *hawked* nothing.
Google Alert for: ADHD
Enhance Your Brain Power With NeuroGenesis, Inc. on MN1.com
Market Wire (press release) - USA
... government numbers indicate that over 20% of the children registered in
American schools, grades 1 through 12, have been diagnosed with ADHD
(Attention Deficit ...
Jan Drew
>
> Ann wrote:
>> "Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> expounded:
>>
>> >Nearly all ASAD's current posters are using ASAD as a venue to engage
>> >in what amounts to grass roots marketeering of potent, toxic, and/or
>> >addictive psychotropic drugs for fictitious mental illnesses, and/or
>> >grass roots marketing of mental health professional services for
>> >fictitious mental illnesses---at least, on the surface.
>>
>> Linda, I have 1,688 messages right now in my newsreader for ASAD
>> (retention set for one month). Not *one* has anything for sale, nor
>> have I ever seen any of the regulars try to sell anything. Who's the
>> liar?
>> --
>> Ann
>> e-mail address is not checked
>
>
> The closest thing I've seen to grassroots marketeering is Jan's recent
> post: http://tinyurl.com/l4w2q
That's NOT close. In FACT it is not true.
Google Alert for: ADHD
Enhance Your Brain Power With NeuroGenesis, Inc. on MN1.com
Market Wire (press release) - USA
... government numbers indicate that over 20% of the children registered in
American schools, grades 1 through 12, have been diagnosed with ADHD
(Attention Deficit ...
>
> Of course, Jan, not being definited by the person you're responding to
> as Lying Stalking Filth *or* part of the Polymorphous Parade of
> Perverts, is exempt from this complaint. ;)
>
> marcia
You have a difficult time with honesty.
>
Marcia
Jan Drew wrote:
> "Marcia" <des...@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:1153529862....@h48g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Jan Drew wrote:
> >>
> >> Excuse me. I have NO faith in your ability to be truthful.
> >>
> >> Nor see the lies, abuse and behavior of certain people.
> >
> >
> > Well, then, I take that to mean you're done with me and I'm going in
> > your killfile. Right?
> >
> > marcia
>
> LOL! You learned that from your buddy....Mark Probert.
>
> Unlike..YOU I do not lie.
Oh, please. I'm sure intelligent people can clearly see this whole
topic was a manipulative set-up to lure me into defending Kitten, which
you *knew* I would do (and pretty much admitted), so you could "expose"
me as a "liar and hypocrite." You intentionally created a situation
designed to antagonize, and I knew this *before* answering your post.
So did you.
I know you will deny it, but almost everyone else can see your
manipulations for what they are.
I tried to ignore you and did a pretty good job maintaining my end of
the peace until you pulled this little trick. You created a no-win
situation and I chose to respond, rather than ignore you, because you
attempted to defame an innocent person. I don't like bullies.
Is this going to be your tactic from now on? Who will be your next
target? Or do you intend to keep the pressure on Kitten, exclusively?
Or is this an attempt to draw Mark back into fighting with you?
> ** I'm not going to stoop to her level any more, respond to her posts*****
Excuse me, but you posted directly *to* me (although you misspelled my
name). If you had respected the fact that I was ignoring your posts,
you would have left me alone. I repeat, this was a set-up.
In the past I was willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, to an
extent, because I thought you were simply opinionated and rigid, and a
little on the nutty side of extreme. But I've had enough experience
with you now to understand you're manipulative, mean, and intent on
hurting people who either disagree with you or don't meet your bizarre
and impossible standards. Of course, you will deny this as well, but
your actions are transparent. The only person you're fooling is
yourself.
I will stipulate to the fact that you think I'm a liar and a hypocrite,
and I expect that to be a theme of future posts to or about me. I can
handle it. This is Usenet; rant on. :)
marcia
Marcia
No, I'm simply amused by Kooks.
O'Hush
She's been doing this for years. I had a similar set of discussions
with her six months or so ago. It's deja vu, and I imagine the
old-timers have seen Jan progressively clash with newbies many times.
And remember that most of us have her killfiled, so we only read that
crap if somebody like you responds to it.
~Patti
Raving Beauty
So?
What I said was...
"Nearly all ASAD's current posters are using ASAD as a venue to engage
in what amounts to grass roots marketeering of potent, toxic, and/or
addictive psychotropic drugs for fictitious mental illnesses, and/or
grass roots marketing of mental health professional services for
fictitious mental illnesses---at least, on the surface.
But, grass roots marketeering of potent, toxic and/or addictive
psychotropic drugs and/or professional services for fictitious mental
illnesses is NOT such posters primary motive for posting to a
discussion forum subscribed to by consumers or prospective consumers of
the aforementioned shoddy products and services.
Their primary motive for posting to ASAD is to divert, derail,
discourage, inhibit, preclude and stop any and all discussion where
truth and mutual understanding is the point....because discussions
where truth and mutual understanding is the point would cast the
shoddy pharmaceuticals and professional services in an extremely
negative light"
My assertion is that ASAD's grass roots marketeers primary motive for
participating in discussions on ASAD is not necessarily to sell
prospective consumers on the shoddy products and professional services
they tout as the best thing since sliced bread, but, rather to spam
ASAD with messages containing lies, distortions, false and slanderous
accusations about earnest posters to disrupt, inhibit and/or deter
earnest posters from using ASAD as a venue to engage in discourse
where truth and mutual understanding is the point, BECAUSE, any
earnest discussion of the topic ASAD was chartered to discuss might
cast the shoddy products and professional services touted by ASAD's
grass root marketeers in a negative light.
Marcia
O'Hush wrote:
>
> She's been doing this for years. I had a similar set of discussions
> with her six months or so ago. It's deja vu, and I imagine the
> old-timers have seen Jan progressively clash with newbies many times.
> And remember that most of us have her killfiled, so we only read that
> crap if somebody like you responds to it.
>
> ~Patti
Understood. And once I have Thunderbird installed (this week,
hopefully), she will be killfiled for me, too, so I'll only see her
posts when the next newbie comes along. ;)
I answered to make it crystal clear I'm DONE kissing up to the bullies,
IYKWIM.
marcia, no longer stradling the fence
Marcia
FYI: That's called double standards.
A wise move when you have few allies and can't afford to condemn the
behavior of someone who might support your agenda. I'm sure Jan will be
proud to be associated with you. :)
marcia
Jan Drew
Anything else you would like to lie about??
"Marcia" <des...@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1153591524....@75g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Jan Drew
Kissing up the bullies IS exactly what you have done.
Starting with Mark Probert.
Mark Probert the Internet Bully
2003.
"Marcia" <des...@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
news:1153594815....@m73g2000cwd.googlegroups.com...
Ann
Then I've mercifully missed it. I admit to barely opening her posts,
only to mark them read. Every once in awhile for amusement I read a
few phrases.
Ann
>So?
>
>What I said was...
Repeating your bullshit doesn't make it true, Linda.
Jan Drew
LOL! Like the famous double standards..YOU overlook.
>
> A wise move when you have few allies and can't afford to condemn the
> behavior of someone who might support your agenda. I'm sure Jan will be
> proud to be associated with you. :)
>
> marcia
Darn straight! I am proud to associate with those who are TRUTHFUL.
Unlike you..who associates with LIARS, BULLIES and HARASSERS.
>
Marcia
Don't forget Lying, Stalking Filth, Child Pornographers, Sock Puppets
and others in the Polymorphous Parade of Perverts.
Oh, yes, and you forgot to call me a HYPOCRITE.
LOL.
You are polluting ASAD with your drek.
marcia
Marcia
Jan Drew wrote:
> ROTFLOL.
>
> Kissing up the bullies IS exactly what you have done.
>
> Starting with Mark Probert.
Funny, because I was referring to Jan Drew and Linda Gore.
Are you obsessed with Mark, or something? Because he seems to be having
a pleasant life without you.
Yeah, it's true. I was intimidated by Linda and you for awhile, and I
allowed your malicious nonsense to get under my skin, but now I see you
for the Kooks you are.
Sorry, Jan, but I don't take either of you seriously anymore. :)
Rant on!
marcia
Jan Drew
"Marcia" caught in another lie...
>
> Jan Drew wrote:
>> ROTFLOL.
>>
>> Kissing up the bullies IS exactly what you have done.
>>
>> Starting with Mark Probert.
>
> Funny, because I was referring to Jan Drew and Linda Gore.
Yeah, that is funny. FACT: You were reply to one talking about me.
Jan Drew
You mean studies you don't like.
Too much TRUTH to deal with.
FYI, I have NEVER lived off the government.
I WORKED!!!
Jan Drew
"Ann" <ann...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:79u4c2tk0bh0ssuon...@4ax.com...
Right back atcha, Annie.
Ann
And just what did I repeat, Jannie?
~I know you are but what am I?
Playing with trolls kills a boring, rainy afternoon sometimes. Sorry,
ASAD, I'll try to behave now.
Raving Beauty
People consider the source.
The source of all the malicious lies, distortions, false and
slanderous accusations plastered all over usenet/ WWW about yours
truly are convicted child molesters, child porno buffs, drug addicts,
S & M'ers abusive of boys and girls, porno authors/sex phone
proprieters, alchoholics/dry drunks, pharmaceutical marketeers, teen
suicide inciters ,people with extensive psychiatric histories with the
severest dx's and/or formally dx'd psychopaths, and, unethical,
deranged, debauched, and criminally inclined licensed *professionals
(lol) *----who are all also documented liars, pseudologues, and
mythomaniacs.
None of the posters who post malicious lies, and/or false and
slanderous accusations about yours truly have ANY credibility.
Replying to anything posted by ASAD posters who have ZERO credibility
lends their malicious lies, and false and slanderous accusations
credibility they don't otherwise have.
IMO, it's misguided for earnest posters like you to give these filthy
little liars the time of day---because, none of them are worthy of
your consideration.
IMHO, they all belong in the federal penitentiary.....so, treat them
as if that's where they all are by locking them up in a mental prison
and forgetting they exist!
Caitriona Mac Fhiodhbhuidhe
Marcia wrote:
<snipped>
> Understood.
<snipped>
> marcia, no longer stradling the fence
Hey, I've been out of pocket most of the day. Saturday, donchaknow.
Got the email, started to respond, and the computer shut down. Storm
went through, but didn't drop any rain on us, just messed up our
ability to connect with the tower in town.
Anyhow, let's go for it.
Kitten
Jan Drew
> "Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> expounded:
>
>>
>>"Ann" <ann...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
>>news:79u4c2tk0bh0ssuon...@4ax.com...
>>> "Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> expounded:
>>>
>>>>So?
>>>>
>>>>What I said was...
>>>
>>> Repeating your bullshit doesn't make it true, Linda.
>>> --
>>> Ann
>>> e-mail address is not checked
>>
>>Right back atcha, Annie.
>>
>
> And just what did I repeat, Jannie?
Repeating your bullshit doesn't make it true.
>
> ~I know you are
You should. I am not hiding.
but what am I?
I dunno. Do you?
>
> Playing with trolls kills a boring, rainy afternoon sometimes. Sorry,
> ASAD, I'll try to behave now.
> --
> Ann
> e-mail address is not checked
I have never been a troll.
satan's slave
> ----who are all also documented liars, pseudologues
What are "pseudologues"?
Raving Beauty
http://www.answers.com/topic/pseudologue
pseudologue
A pseudologue is a term used for a pathological liar. According to
psychiatrist Dr. Charles V. Ford, "the pseudologue spins tales that
appear plausible on the surface but do not hang together over time.
Fact and fiction are woven together in an interesting matrix until the
two are virtually indistinguishable. Unlike a delusional psychotic
person, the pseudologue will abandon the story or change it if
confronted with contradictory evidence or sufficient disbelief. The
stories do have an enduring quality and after repeating them enough
times, even the pseudologue begins to believe them."
satan's slave
> http://www.answers.com/topic/pseudologue
>
> pseudologue
> A pseudologue is a term used for a pathological liar. According to
> psychiatrist Dr. Charles V. Ford, "the pseudologue spins tales that
> appear plausible on the surface but do not hang together over time.
> Fact and fiction are woven together in an interesting matrix until the
> two are virtually indistinguishable. Unlike a delusional psychotic
> person, the pseudologue will abandon the story or change it if
> confronted with contradictory evidence or sufficient disbelief. The
> stories do have an enduring quality and after repeating them enough
> times, even the pseudologue begins to believe them."
Is that like someone who keeps claiming that a newsgroup is full of
satanists when it's obviously not true?
Raving Beauty
Jan Drew wrote:
> "Marcia" <des...@insight.rr.com> wrote in message
> news:1153579168.2...@p79g2000cwp.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > Ann wrote:
> >> "Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> expounded:
> >>
> >> >Nearly all ASAD's current posters are using ASAD as a venue to engage
> >> >in what amounts to grass roots marketeering of potent, toxic, and/or
> >> >addictive psychotropic drugs for fictitious mental illnesses, and/or
> >> >grass roots marketing of mental health professional services for
> >> >fictitious mental illnesses---at least, on the surface.
> >>
> >> Linda, I have 1,688 messages right now in my newsreader for ASAD
> >> (retention set for one month). Not *one* has anything for sale, nor
> >> have I ever seen any of the regulars try to sell anything. Who's the
> >> liar?
> >> --
> >> Ann
> >> e-mail address is not checked
> >
> >
> > The closest thing I've seen to grassroots marketeering is Jan's recent
> > post: http://tinyurl.com/l4w2q
>
> That's NOT close. In FACT it is not true.
Ahem!
ASAD's grass roots marketeers marketeering of pharmaceuticals,
professional services/testing, books, computer software is done
*insidiously* via their either, donning the disguise of a patient (P),
parents of P, S/O of P with the condition, OR, leveraging their
credibility as patient, parents of P, S/O of P, Clinicians of P with
the condition.
ASAD's grass roots marketeers objective is to make ASAD a gathering
place for patients, parents of patients, S/O's of patients,
clinicians of patients who all post messages containing the *gospel*
according to Novartis, Shire, Eli Lilly, and the mental health
industry which pharmaceutical companies already corrupted.
Given the high rate of patient dissatisfaction with services of the
mental health industry and the shoddy products of the pharmaceutical
industry which corrupted the mental health industry; Grass Roots
Marketeers aggressive effort to make ASAD a gathering place for
patients, parents of patients, S/O's of patients, clinicians of
patients who all post messages containing the *gospel* according to
Novartis, Shire, Eli Lilly, and the mental health industry which
pharmaceutical companies already corrupted is one in which they ABUSE
the overwhelming majority of posters with ADHD who make the mistake of
seeking info or support about ADHD on ASAD to run them off the ng
because the truth with regard to people with what some call ADHD casts
the mental health and pharmaceutical industries is a HIDEOUSLY negative
light.
ASAD's grass roots marketeers will ally themselves with ANYONE,
including all sorts of sexual predators, so long as they are willing
to assist ASAD's grass roots marketeers with the marketeers aggressive
effort to make ASAD a gathering place for patients, parents of
patients, S/O's of patients, clinicians of patients who all post
messages containing the *gospel* according to Novartis, Shire, Eli
Lilly, and the mental health industry which pharmaceutical companies
already corrupted.
ASAD's Grass Roots Marketeers have cyberstalked/harassed and/or
globally defamed the overwhelming majority of people with the
attributes of what some call ADHD to discourage them from participating
in discussion of ADHD on ASAD because their contributions cast the MH
and Pharmaceutical industries in a bad light
despite the following fact:
30% of people with the attributes of what some call ADHD will not find
any relief from their symptoms of ADHD by taking stimulants.
The performance of people with aDHD taking stimulants vs those who
eschew stimulanst is exactly the same at the end of 1 year.
Stimulants are addictive and the addiction to stimulants will result in
stimulant users winding up in the trash bin over the real long term.
Stimulants can and will induce far worse condtions like psychosis,
tourettes, cardiac conditions and DEATH.
Where AS a real support group chartered to support people with the
attributes of what some call ADHD would be a gathering place for people
in search of info or support because they can't take stimulants, or
because they became addicted to stimulants, or because the stimulants
incited psychosis, tourettes, or cardiac problems or death of a loved
one...ETC.
Therefore, ASAD's grass marketeers subvert the whole purpose of ASAD
--from supporting people with ADHD to a gathering place for the mutual
admiration society of all the various type of predators who make their
living or get their rocks off preying on people with aDHD.
It's sickening!
Marcia
Sounds good to me. I also got some incredible support and wisdom from
someone who really knows the situation, and I'll share this person's
advice with you when you're back up and running.
email me when you can. I think it'll make you feel better. :)
marcia
Ann
>It's sickening!
What's sickening is your constand delusional lying. There is no
marketing effort here other than in your own head. Step away from the
keyboard, Linda, before you go totally around the bend - oops, too
late!
Raving Beauty
Excuse me?????
Who are you?
Why have you not introduced yourself?
Why are you butting into my discourse with Jan Drew, and offering your
skewed, self-serving, therefore, unwanted interpretation, advice
and suggestions without even introducing yourself?
Oops!
I know.
You are yet another gutless coward who wants to annoy, harass, abuse,
and LIBEL named people without any of the mud you fling spashing back
onto you, eh?
Fat chance, Ann Bal or Ann Balaban or Ann Campbell or Debbie Ann or
whatever the hell your name is.
You *WILL* reap the natural consequences of what you have sown by your
using ASAD as a venue to get your sadistic rocks off annoying,
harassing, abusing, and LIBELING innocent people.
Each and every one of the posters whom you harassed and abused and
libeled is someone's e-friend, someone's frend, someone's S/O,
someone's daughter, someone's mother etc.
Your abuse and libel of someone's e-friend, someone's friend,
someone's daugher, someone's son, someone's, father, someone's
mother was also abuse of each and very person in your targets life.
And, for that reason alone, I, for one, will do everything within my
power to make sure that you, Ann, reap all the natural conseuences
you have sown by your using ASAD as a venue to ABUSE and defame
someone's efriend, someone's friends, someone's daughter, someone's,
S/O, someone's mother, someone's son, someones' father, etc.
BTW, that is not a threat, it's a promise.
Regards,
Linda Gore
Raving Beauty
Excuse me?
ASAD *is* the stomping grounds for *satanists* if one uses the term in
accordance to it's original biblical meaning: Accusers/Slanderers.
Your responding to my assertion of the fact that ASAD is the stomping
grounds of *satanists* with a LIE contradicting the fact; followed up
by an accusation/slander of me makes you one of ASAD's many
"satanists".
Ann
>And, for that reason alone, I, for one, will do everything within my
>power to make sure that you, Ann, reap all the natural conseuences
>you have sown by your using ASAD as a venue to ABUSE and defame
>someone's efriend, someone's friends, someone's daughter, someone's,
> S/O, someone's mother, someone's son, someones' father, etc.
>
>BTW, that is not a threat, it's a promise.
Oh, I'm quaking in my boots, Linda.
Drives you crazy, doesn't it, you don't know who I am.
I am Ann. I've been Ann here on ASAD since 1995. I've abused no one
here, I merely point out the truth. Truth hurts, doesn't it, Linda?
This is a public forum. If you wish to carry on private conversations
then you need to do it via e-mail. You do not control who posts what
here, when, or to whom.
Now go stew in your juices, Linda. And remember, *you* are the one
who has posted a threat.....as usual, Linda, you do to others what you
pretend they do to you.
Jan Drew
> "Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> expounded:
>
>>It's sickening!
>
> What's sickening is your constand delusional lying.
You meant like Marcia's lie.
The closest thing I've seen to grassroots marketeering is Jan's recent
> > post: http://tinyurl.com/l4w2q
There is no
Jan Drew
> "Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> expounded:
>
>>And, for that reason alone, I, for one, will do everything within my
>>power to make sure that you, Ann, reap all the natural conseuences
>>you have sown by your using ASAD as a venue to ABUSE and defame
>>someone's efriend, someone's friends, someone's daughter, someone's,
>> S/O, someone's mother, someone's son, someones' father, etc.
>>
>>BTW, that is not a threat, it's a promise.
>
> Oh, I'm quaking in my boots, Linda.
>
> Drives you crazy, doesn't it, you don't know who I am.
>
> I am Ann. I've been Ann here on ASAD since 1995. I've abused no one
> here,
Blatant lie. Neither do you know what you are blathering about....
Jan is the nutjob
==
you're pathetic.
fArty
You are truly an idiot.
Do you read the bullshit you post? Didn't think so. Because if you
did you'd see yourself - oh, that's right, you can't recognize
yourself through your delusional haze.....
he's a computer weenie
idiots like you
Bullshit. Hormone headaches have nothing to do with taking meds
just STFU
Raving Loonie" <raving.loo...@gmail.com> expounded:
>Finally ...
>Bravo.
Finally nothing. You have no idea what has been going on WRT V and
support.
satan's slave
<snip>
> Excuse me?
>
> ASAD *is* the stomping grounds for *satanists* if one uses the term in
> accordance to it's original biblical meaning: Accusers/Slanderers.
>
> Your responding to my assertion of the fact that ASAD is the stomping
> grounds of *satanists* with a LIE contradicting the fact; followed up
> by an accusation/slander of me makes you one of ASAD's many
> "satanists".
Are you accusing ME of being a *satanist* ?
bluemoon
There is a group where her posts can be archived, alt.kook.linda-gore.
You may have to ask your ISP to carry it or google would work.
Linda is just a nasty old fashioned attention junkie, she's been threatening
me with legal action for years...but alas, no cahonies as I've not heard
from a single law enforcement representative, or any lawyers for that
matter. Smoke and mirrors.
Raving Beauty
> "Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> expounded:
>
> >And, for that reason alone, I, for one, will do everything within my
> >power to make sure that you, Ann, reap all the natural conseuences
> >you have sown by your using ASAD as a venue to ABUSE and defame
> >someone's efriend, someone's friends, someone's daughter, someone's,
> > S/O, someone's mother, someone's son, someones' father, etc.
> >
> >BTW, that is not a threat, it's a promise.
>
> Oh, I'm quaking in my boots, Linda.
Liar, liar, pants on fire.
For the last 11 years, you and ASAD's other cybercriminals chose to
tell yourself the big LIE that you own ASAD, a PUBLIC unmoderated ng,
which no one can own to EXCUSE your projecting all your self-hate,
anger, hostility, feelings of inadquecy, failure, and dastardly
doings onto innocent others whom you globally LIBELED as trolls, then,
self-righteously criminally cyberstalked/harassed until your DESTROYED
their lives and the lives of their e-friends, their friends, their
S/O's, their parents, their relatives and their child(ren).
You and ASAD's other cybercriminals believe the law will perceive your
targets as the villains you do; therefore, perceive your criminal
cybervigilantism as being in the public good and give you all a
commendation rather then the prison cell in Leavenworth you deserve.
You and ASAD's other cybercriminals have good cause to believe that Law
Enforcement Agents will laud your crimes.....because, law enforcement
never gets involved in gang stalking until a target has lost nearly
everything after having been viciously gang stalked for 6, 7, 8, 9,
10 years....therefore, law enforcement won't give a rat's behind about
the crimes against targets of cyberstalking which cyberstalkers have
made half-crazy if not outright anti-social by their vicious stalking
of them for 6, 7, 8, 9, 10 years.
Besides, usenet's cybercriminals finishing touch is to FRAME targets
for commiting crimes the target would NEVER commit.
As a matter of fact, in response to my exposing Pablo and a
susbscribe to alt.binaries.pictures.asparagus, cybercriminals followed
up a threat they posted, by hacking my computer, installing a
partition and second operating systme and doing lord only knows what in
my name.
The MO of criminals like Pablo is to neurtralize his crime victims by
fabricating evidence their crime victims did what only Pablo did.....so
I suspect the cybercrimainls stalking me will be publishing fabricated
evidence to falsely accuse and globally libel me as sexual predator to
neutralize my efforts to have my stalkers recognized not only as
stalkers, but, as the sexual predators so many of them are.
So...don't assert you are quaking in your boots---when we both know
that you believe, rightly or wrongly that usenet's cybercriminals are
probably going to FRAME me for crimes I never committed, to ensure you
and all the other cybercriminals stalking harassing and defaming me
never pay for all your crimes---because you and the other
cybercriminals will use my being FRAMED for a crime I never committed
to vindicate your having criminally harassed and stalked me and mine
for the past 6 years.
>
> Drives you crazy, doesn't it, you don't know who I am.
Lie.
My knowing *WHAT* you are: A gutless anonymous lying cybercriminal has
resulted in my having ZERO interest in who you are.
My position is that if you INSIST upon butting into my discourse with
another named poster, it's the height of rudeness to fail to properly
introduce yourself when you do so.
>
> I am Ann.
You are confusing me with someone who gives' a rat's ass what the first
name of a gutless lying cybercriminal is.
>I've been Ann here on ASAD since 1995. I've abused no one
> here, I merely point out the truth. Truth hurts, doesn't it, Linda?
Your grandiose delusion that your social identity vis a vis mine is
something other that a gutless lying anonymous cybercriminal inspires
your false belief that the lies and or abusive messages you have been
posting to and about me these last 4 years *hurt*.
Nothing gutless lying anonymous cybercriminals like you post has any
value.
Your posts to and about me are nothing more then SPAM...and, have
always been treated as such by yours truly.
>
> This is a public forum. If you wish to carry on private conversations
> then you need to do it via e-mail. You do not control who posts what
> here, when, or to whom.
ASAD's being a public forum doesnt' excuse your rudely butting into
discourse between two named people without properly introducing
yourself.
Nor does ASAD being a public forum excuse your abuse of usenet by your
relentlessly spamming ASAD with LIES and abusive posts to or about me,
and, or your spamming me personally with your self-serving, skewed,
and non-factual interpretations, your unwanted and unsolicted advice
which I have steadfastly rejected for the last 4 -6 years.
Get real.
I have assigned ZERO value to every word you have posted to and about
me for the last 4-6 years.
I will always assign ZERO value to every word you post so long as you
refuse to stand behind your words by properly introducing yourself,
and, continue to post LIES to excuse your maliciously defaming
innocent people as trolls, to justify your heaving abuse on them.
Futhermore, your spamming me and ASAD with replies which I, the
intended recipient, assigns zero value----constitutes cyberharassment,
makes you a cybercriminal under the new law---so don't squeal like a
stuck pig because I call you what you are.
>
> Now go stew in your juices, Linda. And remember, *you* are the one
> who has posted a threat.....as usual, Linda, you do to others what you
> pretend they do to you.
I promised to do everything in my power to ensure you bear the natural
consequences for your choosing to continue to post lies about me and/or
spam me with abusive posts because your spamming me with abusive posts
constitutes cyberharassment.....which was criminalized under the
Violence against Women's ACT.
One ought to make plans to do the time, when one choses to commit a
crime.
Ann
>One ought to make plans to do the time, when one choses to commit a
>crime.
Tremble - tremble- tremble - not.
Get a life, Linda. Step away from the keyboard. The sun is out, the
sky is blue, there's a whole world out there with real battles to
fight.
Raving Beauty
Ann wrote:
> "Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> expounded:
>
> >One ought to make plans to do the time, when one choses to commit a
> >crime.
>
> Tremble - tremble- tremble - not.
>
> Get a life, Linda.
Excuse me???
Your having nothing better to do on a rainy saturday afternoon was your
big excuse for cyberharassing Jan Drew and myself by your butting into
our discourse and interjecting your usual hatefilled barbs and abusive
name calling.
Hence, it's obviously you who needs to get a friggen life if you have
nothing better to do with your rainy saturday afternoons then
cyberharass Jan Drew and I in violation of the Violence Against Women's
Act---unless, of course, you *want* to wind up in Leavenworth.
Ann
>Excuse me???
There's no excuse for you.
>
>Your having nothing better to do on a rainy saturday afternoon was your
>big excuse for cyberharassing Jan Drew and myself by your butting into
>our discourse and interjecting your usual hatefilled barbs and abusive
>name calling.
>
Cyberharassing is your expertise, Linda.
>Hence, it's obviously you who needs to get a friggen life if you have
>nothing better to do with your rainy saturday afternoons then
>cyberharass Jan Drew and I in violation of the Violence Against Women's
>Act---unless, of course, you *want* to wind up in Leavenworth.
I'm violating nothing but the suggestion that I not play with trolls.
With your posting record I'm positive there's no danger of anyone
going to Leavenworth.
Try to scare someone else, Linda, you have no chance of scaring me.
wingingit
consequences? Consequences, oh, say...like your behavior could lead
others to reject you, react negatively to you, dislike you, or perhaps
feel angry, amused, outraged, fascinated, annoyed, bored, accused,
harrassed, or some other appropriate reaction upon reading your posts?
It's not projection if it's your own behavior that leads to the
reactions you get. And trust me, it is.
No projection is necessary when responding to you. You are far from a
blank slate or ambiguous object. Your behavior creates a bizarre
richness to your persona that overpowers any individual's projection
defenses.
So feel free to keep thinking that it's other's doings and not your own
behavior that contributes to this madness. That belief certainly
represesnts an effective (for you), if maladaptive coping strategy. Of
course, your use of this particular defense mechanism is quite
transparent to much of the rest of the world.
Ta
Raving Beauty wrote:
<snipped>
> For the last 11 years, you and ASAD's other cybercriminals chose to
> tell yourself the big LIE that you own ASAD, a PUBLIC unmoderated ng,
> which no one can own to EXCUSE your projecting all your self-hate,
> anger, hostility, feelings of inadquecy, failure, and dastardly
> doings onto innocent others ...
<snipped>
Raving Beauty
wingingit wrote:
> Seriously, Linda. Did you ever once consider that your behavior has
> consequences?
My recognition of the fact that behaviour has consequences is what
causes me to REJECT communications with badly behaving posters like you
and Ann.
Ann's pursuit of unwanted and unwelcome communication with I, who
rejected her 4 years ago, is cyberharassment---a crime.
My rejecting you, owing to your behaving badly, -makes your continued
pursuit of unwanted communication----cyberharassment, at some point.
If you think otherwise----go see a shrink about your pursuing unwanted
comumnications with someone who has made it explicitly clear they do
not value what you think or have to say.
Jan Drew
Then...quit using it as an excuse.
"Ann" <ann...@newsguy.com> wrote in message
news:tinbc2hkkjkt7480p...@4ax.com...
wingingit
Raving Beauty wrote:
<snipped>
>
> My rejecting you, owing to your behaving badly, -makes your continued
> pursuit of unwanted communication----cyberharassment, at some point.
It doesn't matter one rip what you want or don't want on a public
forum.
But heck, I have ADHD, so I'll likely get bored with pointing out the
manifestations of your illness any moment now and move onto something
interesting.
>
> If you think otherwise----go see a shrink about your pursuing unwanted
> comumnications with someone who has made it explicitly clear they do
> not value what you think or have to say.
Ummmm, yeah. See above about what doesn't matter a rip to me.
Thanks for playing! ;)
Jan Drew
Perhaps you can find a kiddie place to PLAY.....
"wingingit" <gardene...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1153886636....@b28g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
Raving Beauty
Only Abusive, psychopathic, gutless anonymous cowards like yourself
view your spamming and abuse of usenet support groups with your
anti-personnel propaganda about people you are cyberharassing as a
game.
AFAIC, abusive, psychopathic, gutless anonymous cowards like
yourself spamming and engaging in abuse of usenet to annoy, libel, and
cyberharass me is a violation of the Violence against Women's Act
recently enacted---and, as with Ann, I will do everything within my
power to see that you bear the natural consequences for your choosing
to violate the law.
Raving Beauty
Jan Drew wrote:
> Thanks for admitting you are here to PLAY.
>
> Perhaps you can find a kiddie place to PLAY.....
Cyberharassers are criminals engaged in criminal activity.
The next pen that cyberharasser plays in will be the pen-ititiary, if I
have my way.
wingingit
Oh, and sad. The way your symptoms manifest is really sad. I feel for
you, I really do. It must absolutely stink to have no other way to view
other's reactions to your behavior. So limiting. If I could wave a
magic wand to grant you increased cognitive flexibility and reason, I'd
gladly do it. Alas, no such wand exists.
Such a pity. I would imagine that you started with tremdous potential
at some point in your "life".
Raving Beaver
> I'm not even laughing my @ss off, because you're really just tiresome.
Cordially,
RL
wingingit
I've just assumed this means she's no longer posting facts.
w
Ann
>AFAIC, abusive, psychopathic, gutless anonymous cowards like
>yourself spamming and engaging in abuse of usenet to annoy, libel, and
>cyberharass me is a violation of the Violence against Women's Act
>recently enacted---and, as with Ann, I will do everything within my
>power to see that you bear the natural consequences for your choosing
>to violate the law.
Oh, bring it on, Linda, I'm tired of trembling.
Jim Manson
>AFAIC, abusive, psychopathic, gutless anonymous cowards like
>yourself spamming and engaging in abuse of usenet to annoy, libel, and
>cyberharass me is a violation of the Violence against Women's Act
Prove that you're a woman.
Jan Drew
"Jim Manson" <J...@Manson.com> wrote in message
news:ac6gc2tqlrtb2psb2...@4ax.com...
Prove that you're a man.
Raving Beaver
"A FEMALE teacher who performed sexual acts three times on a teenage
student in her car was in jail last night after a judge sentenced her
to four months behind bars.
Natalina D'Addario claimed the student, then 15, had coerced her into
having oral sex after she bombarded the boy with text messages, which
included telling him she was undressing after a hot bath and how she
missed his "gorgeous eyes".
D'Addario, 37, of Kensington, yesterday pleaded guilty in the County
Court to one count of sexual penetration with a person aged 16 and two
charges of participating in oral sex with a child under her care,
supervision or authority between May and July last year. ...
...The court heard that after their last liaison in July last year, Ms
D'Addario jokingly told the boy she would "bite his penis off" if he
told anyone about their affair. ... "
http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/07/25/1153816182599.html
Cordially,
RL [ Yes, Raving Loonie ;-) ]
Raving Beaver
> Jan Drew wrote:
> > "Jim Manson" <J...@Manson.com> wrote in message
> > news:ac6gc2tqlrtb2psb2...@4ax.com...
> > > "Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>AFAIC, abusive, psychopathic, gutless anonymous cowards like
> > >>yourself spamming and engaging in abuse of usenet to annoy, libel, and
> > >>cyberharass me is a violation of the Violence against Women's Act
> > >
> > >
> > > Prove that you're a woman.
> >
> > Prove that you're a man.
PM's men relaxed over walk 'incident'
IN MANY countries it would have caused a major stir, but Government
sources yesterday played down an incident in which a schoolboy with a
screwdriver ran and bear-hugged Prime Minister John Howard. ...
See http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2006/07/26/1153816253345.html
Cordially,
RB
Raving Beauty
Raving Beaver wrote:
> Jan Drew wrote:
> > "Jim Manson" <J...@Manson.com> wrote in message
> > news:ac6gc2tqlrtb2psb2...@4ax.com...
> > > "Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >>AFAIC, abusive, psychopathic, gutless anonymous cowards like
> > >>yourself spamming and engaging in abuse of usenet to annoy, libel, and
> > >>cyberharass me is a violation of the Violence against Women's Act
> > >
> > >
> > > Prove that you're a woman.
> >
> > Prove that you're a man.
>
> "A FEMALE
Cyberangels now asserts nearly 1/3 of cyberstalkers are females.
A list of known/semi-known posters who have played a significant role
in the protracted gang cyberstalking of yours truly substantiates CA's
statitistic
ASD-med Eric Riddick (male)
ALL of USENET Deborah Bentley (female)
ALL of USENET Pablo (male ?)
ASD-med ? Peter V'ylliki (male)
ASD-med Robert Polanski (Male)
ASD-med Lynda Cunningham (Female)
ASD-med Peter Amsel (Male)
ASD-med Larry Hoover (Male)
ASD-med Lucida (Female)
ASAD Mark Morin (Male)
ASAD Joe Parsons (Male)
ASAD Clarke (Male)
ASAD & AST Nancy Knisley ( Female)
ASAD Ann (Female)
ASAD & SNP Catherina Mc Evoy (Female)
ASAD & AST Sherry TSNW (Female)
AST Joanne Cohen (Female)
AST + Josh (Blurt) (Male)
AST Fred Enisz (Male)
AST Jodi (female)
AST Sandy L (female)
USENET WIDE Kimberly K. Barnard (Female)
USENET WIDE Daniel L. Rogers (Male)
USENET WIDE Iceman (Male)
USENET WIDE Steve Whitacre (Male)
SPP + Peter J. Ross (Male)
SPP + Carl Osterwald (Male)
USENET WIDE Kevin ? (Male)
USENET WIDE Marcia ( Female ?)
ASAD ASD-med Winginit (Female ?)
ASAD Stan Shura (Male)
ASAD + And, perhaps....(?Raving Loonie (male ?)
wingingit
Congratulations, everyone. See what you can accomplish if you just try?
Raving Loonie
Long list of American rapists joined by female Australians
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47895
Enjoy.
:)))
Cordially,
RL
Raving Beauty
Organized Vigilante Stalking
http://www.rich-essence.com/whatisit.htm
What is Organized Vigilante Stalking?
"Organized Vigilante Stalking is an occult form of
terrorism/mind-control used against an individual, in a malicious
attempt to reduce the quality of a person's life so they will have a
nervous breakdown, become incarcerated/institutionalized, experience
constant mental, emotional or physical pain, become homeless, &/or
commit suicide. It is done using well-orchestrated accusations, lies,
rumors, bogus investigations, setups, framings, intimidation, overt or
covert threats, vandalism, thefts, sabotage, torture, humiliation,
emotional terror, DEWs, & general harassment. It is a "ganging up"
by members of the community who follow an organizer & participate in a
systematic, & ritualistic persecution of an individual. Organized
Stalking is a destructive criminal program built on deception that
exists to serve the intentions of a few who are aware of its true
agenda."
This hate crime appears to be a combination of early mind-control &
harassment programs such as Cointelpro & MKULTRA, as well as Gang
Stalking tactics used by the KKK. The objective is to create so much
pain in the environment of the person that they are driven to
homelessness or suicide. It is used to isolate & remove economical &
social support structures, & therefore, destabilize a person's life
with the intent to drive them to suicide.(200) Basically it's
forever, they never leave you alone. You're followed out of the
country, & there is no way to get away from it.
Although it would appear that this is a new phenomenon, it is not.
Many tyrannical regimes throughout history have used local harassment
gangs to neutralize dissent. Gang Stalking is simply another
manifestation of this pattern. Although the strategy & tactics
employed by these groups are somewhat new, the groups exist to serve
the same purpose. I'll explain this in more detail later.
Because most counseling centers & therapists deny the existence of
these groups it is impossible to prove just how many cases of
depression, anxiety, miscarriage, stillbirths, suicides & people "going
postal" are caused by them. This is further complicated since many
people are unaware that they're a host to this type of parasite.
Raving Loonie
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From: "Raving Beauty" <Indomitab...@netzero.com>
Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit
Subject: Yet another abusive gutless anonymous coward who wants to
infect other people with their illness rather then do what it takes to
get mentally healthy)Re: Teacher jailed for sex acts ... was (Yet
another abusive mentally ill gutless anonymous coward who wants to
infect other people with their illness rather then do what it takes to
get mentally healthy)
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Would you like me to report this to Google for you, as you seem
reluctant to do so yourself?
Cordially,
RL
Raving Loonie
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From: "Raving Beauty" <Indomitab...@netzero.com>
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Subject: What is this "Organized Vigilante Stalking" which Linda Gore
keeps posting about?
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Raving Beauty
Raving Loonie wrote:
> ---------------------------
> Would you like me to report this to Google for you, as you seem
> reluctant to do so yourself?
Nope.
My *only* motive for posting info to ASAD being about ASAD being among
the venues where posters have/are being wittingly or unwittingly
recruited to participate in organized vigilante stalking is so newbies
or the clueless don't have their lives destroyed owing to their naivete
or cluelessness, like pablo et al destroyed me and mine's lives 6
years ago when I was naive owing to my being brandy new to usenet.
Raving Beauty
Jan Drew wrote:
> Learn the correct definition of a troll.
>
> Then...quit using it as an excuse.
Organized Vigilante Stalkers repetititious use of distasteful words is
a tactic known as sensitivity programming which makes use of NLP.
http://www.rich-essence.com/tactics.htm
The Hidden Evil
Organized Vigilante Stalking
Tactics
Sensitivity Programs
Cause Stalking groups usually begin their campaigns with sensitivity
programs.(7) This tactic is a favorite among stalking groups.
The goals of a sensitivity program are:
To get the person's attention & let them know they're being
harassed.
Anchor damaging emotions to common objects/sounds so a target can then
be covertly harassed openly in public.
These sensitivity programs are based on a science called
Neuro-Linguistic Programming (NLP). The parts of this science groups
use are anchors & triggers.
We're unconsciously creating anchors in our environment all the time
with people, music, places, & objects. Initially, the target may not
be consciously aware of the harassment, but this is not necessary.(7)
One reason people may not realize that they're targeted or can't
remember exactly when it began, is because these groups may slowly &
gradually increase the harassment over time. But groups can let you
know you're being targeted any time they choose by turning up the
volume with a blitz attack. Groups use sensitivity programs in an
attempt to create phobias.
Introducing NLP, Joseph O'Connor & John Seymour
"A stimulus which is linked to & triggers a physiological state is
called an anchor in NLP. ...How are anchors created? First by
repetition. ...Secondly, & much more important, anchors can be set in
a single instance if the emotion is strong & the timing is right.
...In extreme cases an external stimulus can trigger a very powerful
negative state. This is the realm of phobias."
Self-help gurus use these programs to create positive emotional states
& anchor them to a movement, a sound or an object. Then the sound,
movement, or object becomes the trigger that will invoke the emotion.
Although this sounds complex it is actually pretty simple component of
NLP. It is done by creating a peak emotional state, then while in that
state you anchor it, that is, do something repeatedly. This
effectively anchors the emotional state to whatever was repeatedly
done.(2) This process of creating anchors has also been called
Emotional Transference.(1)
You can think of NLP as a very powerful tool that can be used to
produce rapid, profound change.(2) Harassment groups create negative
emotional states such as fear & anxiety, & anchor them to common
objects in the environment. There has been some concern in the mental
health field over the potential misuse of NLP. Unfortunately, like
other tools, such as guns, they can be misused in the wrong hands.(2,
344) Groups use this science in a destructive format.
NLP-The New Technology of Achievement, Steve Andreas & Charles Faulkner
"It is a common experience for many people, when first introduced to
NLP, to be concerned about the possible uses & misuses of this
technology. We recognize the incredible power of the information
presented in this book & recommend you exercise caution..."
Here's an example of how groups use anchors:
[One morning your walking out to your car & a man walks in front of
you, stares directly at you in a hostile manner while repeatedly
clicking his pen the whole time. You feel a little uneasy & say to
yourself, "Boy, that was weird, what was his problem?"
Then two hours later you're leaving a shopping mall on a day that it
was not particularly crowded. As you walk out to your car, an old lady
approaches you on foot. As she almost collides with you, she locks her
eyes onto you with a hostile demeanor, while clicking a pen the whole
time.
Then maybe you tell yourself something like this. "There couldn't
be a relation between those events, probably just a coincidence. But
they both stared at me in such a mean way while hammering their
pens..."
Later in the afternoon, you're on your way home. You're at a
stoplight & out of the corner of your eye you see a passenger in the
car to your left. You hear a slight noise, & glance over. You see a
man glaring at you with a grin on his face. His arm is hanging out the
window & he is holding a pen, which he is repeatedly clicking. Now
imagine that happening for a month. Then one day a month later
you're on a sidewalk with a friend or family member. A man walks by,
doesn't look at either one of you, but clicks his pen a couple of
times. You feel anxious & afraid.]
You may not even know you've been sensitized. But if you did
recognize it as an attack, what would you tell your friend or family
member?
This is what happened: The collisions, blatant hostile staring, & foul
grin created the negative emotions & anchored them to the pen, which
has now become the trigger. That is an example of a sensitivity
program. Now imagine yourself being sensitized to multiple objects &
sounds, & each of them creating pain each time you see or hear them.
That's the power of NLP! And that is only one, small segment of the
entire harassment program. Targets around the country & the world have
witnessed this being done with sounds, gestures, cell phones, laptops,
pens, cars, watches, clothing, symbols, colors, & other items. This
type of attack does require some maintenance & will loose its potency
unless it is reinforced. So groups will reinforce these anchors &
triggers with occasional blitz attacks from time to time.
Groups will take an object you've been sensitized to & link it to
another object. The idea appears to be to keep expanding the amount of
objects you associate fear, anxiety, anger, or shame with
(sensitization). For instance, one of your neighbors, has made it
abundantly clear that they're participating in the harassment. Now, you
know they're participating, & they know you know. So they may try to
sensitize you to other stimulus, such as a car alarm. Since you've
already associated them with massive pain, they can extend their
harassment to a "sound" by turning their car alarm on/off in rapid
succession over a short period of time, multiple times throughout the
day. After they've done this for a couple of days & you've been
sensitized to this sound, they can reduce their use of this specific
tactic & just use the occasional maintenance sounds to keep you
sensitized.
Now instead of repeatedly turning it on/off for ten times, they only do
it two or three times in a row, just to let you know you're being
harassed. Even though it's only done a couple times in a row, you
know why they're doing it & you may feel anger, fear, anxiety or
other negative emotions. You may also feel frustrated at the prospect
of trying to explain this covert harassment to another individual.
Anyone else observing this might think it's a little strange that
someone would turn their alarm on/off a few times but they'd write it
off as an isolated strange incident. Since they have not had your
previous experience (sensitization) with that sound & are not aware
that it is a small part of a much larger harassment program it would be
difficult to explain what those beeps meant. In NLP, the process of
copying an emotional state anchored to an existing trigger &
transferring it to a new trigger, is called chaining.(2)
Introducing NLP, Joseph O'Connor & John Seymour
"Anchors can be chained so that one leads to another. Each anchor
provides a link on the chain & triggers the next one, just as the
electrical impulse flows from nerve to nerve in our body."
Harassment Skits
Harassment skits can be classified as a type of Street Theatre that
contain verbal & non-verbal harassment, threats, insults, intimidation,
& violence, conveyed overtly, or overtly using themes, symbolism, or
other medium. They may be carried out after a target has been
sensitized. This harassment can be relayed with metaphors, verbal
remarks, & symbolism using clothing or other items. Insults or
comments by strangers, designed to evoke a paranoid reaction, as well
as dirty looks & negative behavior from previously friendly neighbors
is common among targets.(101) They may be speaking on their cell phone
& loudly accent the insult as they walk by & stare at you. Blatant,
hostile or smirking stares are also common. Sometimes they may not be
"one the phone" & just overtly insult you as they walk by. As an
example, I have people walk by me & say things like "fuck you,"
"fuck-up," "fuck-head," "your disgusting" etc. After being
out of work for about a year, I was able to land a job at a retail
store in Boston where the Mobbing continued. Because I already knew
where it would end up I stayed there for less than a week. One evening
as I was leaving, another employee walking out behind me made the
remark, "Déjà vu now what are you gonna do?" When I looked back
he was casually leaning up against the wall. No cell phone or other
people around at that moment.
Another example took place in a bookstore when I asked the clerk if he
could find the book Terrorists Stalking in America. I knew they
probably wouldn't have it on the shelves but I wanted to see if they
would have it in their Books In Print database. The clerk had some
trouble finding the book so as I was giving him other information such
as the author's name a man walked by, looked in our direction & said
"Keep trying caged people, keep trying." The clerk glanced over at
him as he walked away then looked down with a perplexed expression.
There was nobody else in this area of the store.
But these events are sort of unusual because usually they cover their
tracks & mask their insults within phony conversations while on a cell
phone or with another person.
Some of these insults are very subtle (implied), but powerful. For
instance, if you're at a restaurant you may have a couple sit down at
a table next to you, & mention some events that are taking place in
your personal life, in order to get your attention. And then make
repeated references words such as "paranoid, crazy, scared, panic,
insane, freak, sad, depressed, etc." This may be done repeatedly
while the trigger words are emphasized. The idea is that the words
will invoke the emotion. Not only is this possible, but it works best
when you don't know it's being done to you.
Some words carry with them a particular weight to potentially trigger
an effect on a person's emotional state. (3, 9) Some of these
harassment skits are designed to transfer the emotions of those
weighted words to affect a negative emotional state upon a target. In
addition these words can be emphasized by changing their tone & volume
when they're spoken. This is called metacommunication. Metamessages
are suggestions hidden in a statement, perhaps a compliment. The tone,
volume, & rhythm of specific words in the sentence are changed so that
the actual message is different than what the spoken words were.(5, 4,
328) Obviously this works better on some individuals than others.
Marcia
wingingit wrote:
> Wow, that's even better than AFI's "100" lists! I'm so honored.
> Congratulations, everyone. See what you can accomplish if you just try?
I see we're both listed as hermaphrodites. ;)
marcia
Ann
Ann
>Organized Vigilante Stalkers repetititious use of distasteful words is
>a tactic known as sensitivity programming which makes use of NLP.
And Linda provides us with yet *another* pot-kettle-black moment!
Jan Drew
Why? Too lazy to check it?
Jim Manson
>Wow, that's even better than AFI's "100" lists! I'm so honored.
>Congratulations, everyone. See what you can accomplish if you just try?
I'm bummed.
I didn't make the list...... :-(
Jim Manson
"Jan Drew" <jdre...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> "Jim Manson" <J...@Manson.com> wrote in message
>> news:ac6gc2tqlrtb2psb2...@4ax.com...
>> > "Raving Beauty" <Indomi...@netzero.com> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> >AFAIC, abusive, psychopathic, gutless anonymous cowards like
>> >yourself spamming and engaging in abuse of usenet to annoy, libel, and
>> >cyberharass me is a violation of the Violence against Women's Act
>>
>>
>> Prove that you're a woman.
>>
> Prove that you're a man.
Why? I never claimed that I was a particular gender, unlike Raving
Beauty. Much less used that claimed gender as part of a threat.
No claim or assertion means nothing to prove.
Based on some of your prior posts I'm beginning to wonder if English
is a second language for you. You seem to have difficulty with
definitions and context. Nothing at all bad about having a different
primary langauge but that fact would make some of your responses more
understandable.
wingingit
Not that there's anything wrong with that. ;)
w
wingingit
Wow, that's like, the longest sentence evah!
I'd like to buy a period or semicolon, please.
Nonsense for $500 please, Alex.
wingingit
There's always next year.... And we haven't even worked out the secret
handshake yet. No worries.
D. C. Sessions
> Based on some of your prior posts I'm beginning to wonder if English
> is a second language for you. You seem to have difficulty with
> definitions and context. Nothing at all bad about having a different
> primary langauge but that fact would make some of your responses more
> understandable.
It's not so much that Jan is unfamiliar with English as with reasoned
discussion. If you think you're starting to understand her, it's time
to take a break.
I've been back for a week after several years away, and I'm about
ready to leave again, for instance.
--
begin signature.exe
A: Because it messes up the order in which people normally read text.
Q: Why is top-posting such a bad thing?
A: Top-posting.
Q: What is the most annoying thing on usenet?
Raving Beauty
"Dear Friend,
I call you friend because if you & I were to meet face to face we would
sense a special kinship & would probably know each other immediately.
I know nothing about your background. I'm not aware of your personal
circumstances, whether you're young or old, male or female. I don't
know what your religious or ethnic background is. But I have an idea
of the type of person you are. You are probably very artistic & above
average in intelligence. You are probably honest & live by a higher
set of ideals than the general mass. You are probably a
self-correcting person. You probably have not been satisfied with the
knowledge you've received through traditional channels. You are most
definitely a seeker. Regardless of why you think you have been
targeted, relatively speaking, you are probably a saint. This may be
why you've been chosen.
Your life has changed drastically. You will never look at people, or
the American flag the same way again. You are directly experiencing a
result of the primitive, unresolved collective-insanity, that you have
heard of other historical figures running into. By now you have
probably concluded that this is the same entity that has killed people
who have recognized & resisted it throughout history. Its name changes
from place to place, & from time to time. It expresses itself in
different ways. But it is always the same; it is large & powerful &
has the minds of most people. You are face to face with it in the form
of Organized Stalking. It has focused its attention on you & it will
not stop. At this point it doesn't matter when or why it started, or
what the name of the group or agency is. It would have happened
anyway. You will end up jobless & Mobbed out of work. You may end up
in jail or dead. You will loose friends & family. You may end up
homeless, possibly living from shelter to shelter. And you will be
persecuted the whole time. I am personally not very religious, but I
know evil when I see it. You are in a fight for your life against
people being used by Satan. There is no more accurate way to put this.
It is necessary that you document your case & survive as long as you
can, to provide testimony to anyone with eyes & ears. You are not
alone."
(Signature Mark M. Rich)
Emma Anne
Me neither, and after all my holloween ASCII art posts. Hmph.
wingingit
Surely that must be worth at least an honorable mention?
Emma Anne
Yeah! Here's how neglected I am:
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(wolf howling at the moon)
wingingit
Emma Anne wrote:
<snipped>
> > >
> > > Me neither, and after all my holloween ASCII art posts. Hmph.
> >
> > Surely that must be worth at least an honorable mention?
>
> Yeah! Here's how neglected I am:
>
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>
> (wolf howling at the moon)
I love it! I've never learned how to do that.
Emma Anne
Well, if you're me, you go here:
http://www.geocities.com/SoHo/7373/index.htm#home
and cut and paste. She just wants you to leave her initials in (hence
the jgs)
Joe Parsons
wrote:
>In message <g3qic21oi62i1l6vj...@4ax.com>, Jim Manson wrote:
>
>> Based on some of your prior posts I'm beginning to wonder if English
>> is a second language for you. You seem to have difficulty with
>> definitions and context. Nothing at all bad about having a different
>> primary langauge but that fact would make some of your responses more
>> understandable.
>
>It's not so much that Jan is unfamiliar with English as with reasoned
>discussion. If you think you're starting to understand her, it's time
>to take a break.
>
>I've been back for a week after several years away,
Stan Shura, Jim Manson and now Sessions!
What is this--Old Home Week?!?
>and I'm about
>ready to leave again, for instance.
It doesn't take more than just one or two responses to feed those who are
clearly so desperate for attention.
And I agree with you. For a variety of reasons, I have been very scarce here
for a couple of years (my unread posts have long since passed the 10k mark). I
have not seen so much unmitigated garbage here from such a small clutch of
vandals since ASAD's birth in 1992.
Joe Parsons
MothWrangler
> On Thu, 27 Jul 2006 20:04:28 -0700, "D. C. Sessions" <d...@lumbercartel.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>In message <g3qic21oi62i1l6vj...@4ax.com>, Jim Manson wrote:
>>
>>
>>>Based on some of your prior posts I'm beginning to wonder if English
>>>is a second language for you. You seem to have difficulty with
>>>definitions and context. Nothing at all bad about having a different
>>>primary langauge but that fact would make some of your responses more
>>>understandable.
>>
>>It's not so much that Jan is unfamiliar with English as with reasoned
>>discussion. If you think you're starting to understand her, it's time
>>to take a break.
>>
>>I've been back for a week after several years away,
>
>
> Stan Shura, Jim Manson and now Sessions!
>
> What is this--Old Home Week?!?
Tsk. I know that the three of them indeed are rather elderly, but so as
not to hurt their feelings, perhaps you should call it something like
Mature Posters Home Week. >:->
Nancy
Unique, like everyone else
Raving Loonie
... I will tell them that I cannot afford to service the line of credit
at prime less 1 and 1/2 %
It is all my fault. I am lazy, crazy and stupid. I am psychotic. I
don't listen. I blame everyone else for my problems.
Bye, bye.
D. C. Sessions
> Stan Shura, Jim Manson and now Sessions!
>
> What is this--Old Home Week?!?
Funny you should mention that. Coming up on being paid off, it is
(even after the refi to pay off the former Mrs. Sessions.)
Part of what has me back, actually, is the fact that the youngest
just turned 21, graduating in December, and I'm feeling smug.
D. C. Sessions
> Tsk. I know that the three of them indeed are rather elderly, but so as
> not to hurt their feelings, perhaps you should call it something like
> Mature Posters Home Week. >:->
Pardon me -- I *paid* for these grey hairs (as many as are left)
and wear them proudly.
MothWrangler
> In message <4j1un9F...@individual.net>, MothWrangler wrote:
>
>
>>Tsk. I know that the three of them indeed are rather elderly, but so as
>>not to hurt their feelings, perhaps you should call it something like
>>Mature Posters Home Week. >:->
>
Ah, so am I to infer from your subject line that you are, in fact,
neither old, nor mature, but antique?
I prefer "almost fully ripened" myself.
> Pardon me -- I *paid* for these grey hairs (as many as are left)
> and wear them proudly.
You had to pay for yours? That's almost sad. My kids *gave* me mine.
Neener, neener.
Nancy,
Cleverly disguised as a responsible adult
D. C. Sessions
> I prefer "almost fully ripened" myself.
Is that a euphemism for "nearly seedy?"
george_of_the_bush
Mature? This is ASAD.
_george