Cognitive Dissonance in older adults about ADD/ADHD
lionel
I have ADD/ADHD.
Where ADD is spoken of, I " know" I have what is spoken of, and will often
speak of it as if I have it. At the very same time, I do not believe
ADD/ADHD exists, let alone that its a neurological disorder, and dont
believe and therefore beliieve I dont really have it, cause it doesnt really
exist. .
I can understand how this state of cognitive dissonance about ADD/ADHD would
arise in older people made aware of ADD/ADHD late in life.
You spend 40 years listening to other people infer, attribute and project
totally other reasons for your behavior, till its internalized and those
reasons become your belief, such that its really hard to accept what you and
they believe is false, and you have this neurological disorder. .
It doesnt help one bit that so many of the people getting themselves diagnosed
with ADD/ADHD, and or their children. dont really have it, they just want a
prescribed stimulant to feel good or their children to have a competitive
advantage.
If such people can get themselves dx'd with ADD/ADHD, how can ADD/ADHD
possibly exist, you wonder?
The irony is, you come to a ng for people with ADD/ADHD, and none of the
people seem to have it, who are talking about it, but you do perceive people
that might have it, but the people who dont are precluding their
participation...because LIKE you, they keep syaing it doesnt exist...
Why would anyont who wasn't of two minds about ADD/ADHD come to a ng to talk
about how they dont believe it exists, if they didnt have some thoughts it
does, , being in a state cognitive dissonance...like ME.
Yet, are the people who might really have the worse cases of ADD/ADHD but have
cognitive dissonance about having it, allowed to participate in a ng for
people with ADD/ADHD while they wrestle with their cognitive dissonance.
NOpe, all the people dont have ADD/ADHD themselves run such people off,
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Mark D. Morin
> Like many people in my age bracket, I have cognitive dissonance about the idea
> I have ADD/ADHD.
>
> Where ADD is spoken of, I " know" I have what is spoken of, and will often
> speak of it as if I have it. At the very same time, I do not believe
> ADD/ADHD exists, let alone that its a neurological disorder, and dont
> believe and therefore beliieve I dont really have it, cause it doesnt really
> exist. .
>
> I can understand how this state of cognitive dissonance about ADD/ADHD would
> arise in older people made aware of ADD/ADHD late in life.
>
> You spend 40 years listening to other people infer, attribute and project
> totally other reasons for your behavior, till its internalized and those
> reasons become your belief, such that its really hard to accept what you and
> they believe is false, and you have this neurological disorder. .
>
> It doesnt help one bit that so many of the people getting themselves diagnosed
> with ADD/ADHD, and or their children. dont really have it, they just want a
> prescribed stimulant to feel good or their children to have a competitive
> advantage.
you seem to be missing the concept. Psychstimulants do not give one
with ADHD a competitive edge. Medication helps to provide a level
playing field.
>
> If such people can get themselves dx'd with ADD/ADHD,
You are assuming that it's easy to get so diagnosed when the disorder is
not present. That doesn't fit with my experience.
> how can ADD/ADHD possibly exist, you wonder?
>
> The irony is, you come to a ng for people with ADD/ADHD,
is there someone in your pocket or are you really referring to the rest
of us coming to this newsgroup?
> and none of the people seem to have it,
That's interesting. Just how did you form this diagnostic assessment?
> who are talking about it, but you do perceive people
> that might have it, but the people who dont are precluding their
> participation...because LIKE you, they keep syaing it doesnt exist...
huh?
>
>
> Why would anyont who wasn't of two minds about ADD/ADHD come to a ng to talk
> about how they dont believe it exists, if they didnt have some thoughts it
> does, , being in a state cognitive dissonance...like ME.
huh? the purpose of a support group is supposed to be focused on such
cognitive dissonance? Is it remotely possible that someone with ADHD
and has no such dissonance want to share his or her experience with
others, form friendships and support?
>
> Yet, are the people who might really have the worse cases of ADD/ADHD but have
> cognitive dissonance about having it, allowed to participate in a ng for
> people with ADD/ADHD while they wrestle with their cognitive dissonance.
>
> NOpe, all the people dont have ADD/ADHD themselves run such people off,
is this yet another example of a supportive post?
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lionel
on a ng for people with a disorder, who themselves do not have the disorder.
Its nothing personal, its simply not in my best interest to discuss anything
at all on a support group for people with the condition, with any of the many
ng crashers without the specified condition, .
Seeing how most with ADD/ADHD are run off the ng, by those without ADD who
coopted it, I wont be engaging in many discussions here!
I will just post my posts, cause I need to, vent, and only to the audience
of them with ADD those without keep running off, and those with ADD to afraid
to post here, because those without ADd, keep abusing and running off those
with ADD.
Feel free to killfile me, I really dont mind, I will probably killfile most
people posting to the ng soon.
Take Care,
Mark D. Morin
> I explained to you I do not wish to engage in discussion with any participants
> on a ng for people with a disorder, who themselves do not have the disorder.
>
> Its nothing personal, its simply not in my best interest to discuss anything
> at all on a support group for people with the condition, with any of the many
> ng crashers without the specified condition, .
you have yet to explain how, in your infinite wisdom, you are able to
discriminate those who have ADHD from those who don't have ADHD.
>
> Seeing how most with ADD/ADHD are run off the ng,
it's ADHD. and who would those people be?
> by those without ADD who
and who would those people be?
> coopted it, I wont be engaging in many discussions here!
>
> I will just post my posts, cause I need to, vent,
then perhaps you should try posting to alt.dev.nul
If you have no intentions of engaging in dialogue, why be present here?
> and only to the audience
> of them with ADD those without keep running off, and those with ADD to afraid
> to post here, because those without ADd, keep abusing and running off those
> with ADD.
>
> Feel free to killfile me, I really dont mind, I will probably killfile most
> people posting to the ng soon.
>
> Take Care,
>
>
Nessa
(in message <yiQf9.579145$m91.23...@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>):
>> who are talking about it, but you do perceive people
>> that might have it, but the people who dont are precluding their
>> participation...because LIKE you, they keep syaing it doesnt exist...
>
> huh?
basically what this says to me is that the OP has backed themselves into a
corner. I have (or think I have) a disorder that I say does not exist yet
here I am with the symptoms and now I do have cognitive dissonance.
Nessa
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Nessa
(in message <20020911232147...@mb-fn.aol.com>):
why bother to post if you are going to killfile most of us?
why do you believe that only people who have the same disorder you do can
understand, empathize and/or help you?
Several of the regular posters here do not have ADHD themselves but they live
with it every day because they have a child with it.
Besides this is Usenet, how do you know I really have ADHD or that someone
who posts and says they don't have it doesn't have it.
Mark Probert
"lionel" <aach...@aol.comnospam> wrote in message
news:20020911232147...@mb-fn.aol.com...
> I explained to you I do not wish to engage in discussion with any
participants
> on a ng for people with a disorder, who themselves do not have the
disorder.
Too bad. Post in a non-moderated newsgroup and anyone who cares to will
respond. If you do not like that, try posting in
misc.cluless.twit.moderated. However, the moderator is a clueless twit and
does not like other control freaks so you will not be welcome.
> Its nothing personal, its simply not in my best interest to discuss
anything
> at all on a support group for people with the condition, with any of the
many
> ng crashers without the specified condition, .
Sure...another example of your cluelessness.
> Seeing how most with ADD/ADHD are run off the ng, by those without ADD
who
> coopted it, I wont be engaging in many discussions here!
Save time and needless sacrifice...
> I will just post my posts, cause I need to, vent, and only to the
audience
> of them with ADD those without keep running off, and those with ADD to
afraid
> to post here, because those without ADd, keep abusing and running off
those
> with ADD.
Of course, you are wrong. However, you do not have the ability to recognize
it.
> Feel free to killfile me, I really dont mind, I will probably killfile
most
> people posting to the ng soon.
Why waste time, do it now. Pretty soon, you will be talking to yourself, if
you do not already spend most of your time doing so.
Mark Probert
"Nessa" <use...@nessa.info> wrote in message
news:01HW.B9A5DC850...@NEWS.MD.COMCAST.GIGANEWS.COM...
Lionel already identified me as one of the Eeeeevil ones....
Nessa
(in message <alpvil$23ck$1...@ID-78438.news.dfncis.de>):
> Lionel already identified me as one of the Eeeeevil ones....
you evil?
you are a teddy bear. just don't anger the teddy bear....
spamspam@no.spam conflicted too
> On Wed, 11 Sep 2002 19:26:22 -0400, Mark D. Morin wrote
> (in message <yiQf9.579145$m91.23...@bin5.nnrp.aus1.giganews.com>):
>
> >> who are talking about it, but you do perceive people
> >> that might have it, but the people who dont are precluding their
> >> participation...because LIKE you, they keep syaing it doesnt exist...
> >
> > huh?
>
> basically what this says to me is that the OP has backed themselves into a
> corner. I have (or think I have) a disorder that I say does not exist
yet
> here I am with the symptoms and now I do have cognitive dissonance.
>
yes!!
so whats the way forward as OP is certainly not on their own!
or is clever witty putdowns the only response?