Should we close this newsgroup now that the MYTH of ADD has been exposed.

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Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Nov 26, 2009, 11:46:29 AM11/26/09
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I think it may be time, in fact way past time, to shut down this
newsgroup. Now that the myth of ADD, as well as ADHD and ODD have
been officially proven to be nothing but a myth, this group has
outlived its usefulness. In fact, this group may be hurting people
since it gives the newbies and unsuspecting gullible folks false
hope. Do I hear second? Yes! Okay then - SHUT IT DOWN!!!

Twittering One

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Nov 27, 2009, 11:52:18 AM11/27/09
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On Nov 26, 11:46 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."

What do you think the chances are of me getting some Celexa, just to
take the edge off some of this chronic physical pain & holiday-and-
everyday despair I live with, for 3.5 years now?

Celexa is a nice safe relatively side-effect-free SSRI.

NO CHANCE!!!

Contraindicated because of that SHIT Bellevue did to me, along with a
few others disgusting pieces of spam garbage.

mark.p...@gmail.com

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Nov 27, 2009, 10:52:07 PM11/27/09
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On Nov 26, 11:46 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:

Hi, Fartie. Perhaps some family services could help you.

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Nov 29, 2009, 2:27:33 AM11/29/09
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On Nov 27, 7:52 pm, "markprob...@lumbercartel.com"

Proby, you disappoint me. I single-handedly saved this group from the
nonsense posters and improved it a million fold. Now that there are
NO more verifiable cases of ADD, I feel it is time to SHUT IT DOWN.
Yes, there may be one or two people a year with questions, which I can
handle through the usual means. Since nobody objected, except you, of
course, it should be obvious to everyone that this group has outlived
its usefulness. As usual, everything I ever posted has been proved to
100% correct.

mark.p...@gmail.com

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Nov 29, 2009, 5:26:21 PM11/29/09
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On Nov 29, 2:27 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."

<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> On Nov 27, 7:52 pm, "markprob...@lumbercartel.com"
>
> <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 26, 11:46 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
>
> > <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> > > I think it may be time, in fact way past time, to shut down this
> > > newsgroup.  Now that the myth of ADD, as well as ADHD and ODD have
> > > been officially proven to be nothing but a myth, this group has
> > > outlived its usefulness.  In fact, this group may be hurting people
> > > since it gives the newbies and unsuspecting gullible folks false
> > > hope.  Do I hear second? Yes!  Okay then  - SHUT IT DOWN!!!
>
> > Hi, Fartie. Perhaps some family services could help you.
>
> Proby, you disappoint me.

If I only disappoint you, then I have to try harder.

> I single-handedly saved this group

There is only one thing you do single-handed and that is to post the
by-products of your one handed masturbation.

from the
> nonsense posters and improved it a million fold.  Now that there are
> NO more verifiable cases of ADD, I feel it is time to SHUT IT DOWN.
> Yes, there may be one or two people a year with questions, which I can
> handle through the usual means.  Since nobody objected, except you, of
> course, it should be obvious to everyone that this group has outlived
> its usefulness.  As usual, everything I ever posted has been proved to
> 100% correct.

Everything you have ever posted is lies, bullshit and abuse. Need I
repeat your history, starting with the Washington Post smackdown?


Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Nov 30, 2009, 10:07:02 AM11/30/09
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On Nov 29, 2:26 pm, "markprob...@lumbercartel.com"

Proby, unlike you, I CARE about the people here. I have only posted
solid valid information and have never resorted to idiotic quips or
repeated lies. The only reason that my articles have not been posted
in medical journals is because of the loud-mouths and the useful
idiots. That is okay, they have been printed in places where people
read and not Big Pharma-influenced so-called journals.

My understanding of ADD/ADHD is vastly superior to yours and of course
you are very jealous of that. That is totally understandable. I am
here ONLY to share information, not profit from it. That would be
wrong.

Thank goodness for the Jan Drew's and the other outstanding posters
such as Linda and Ilena, they have made this newsgroup stronger! I
guess we should keep it up and running for a little while longer.
They still may be one or two people who believe in the ADD myth, and
this gives us a chance to straighten them out.

I guess you will go back to your silly little wisecracks, that is what
we have come to expect from you and your kind.

Sir Artio

Twittering One

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Dec 1, 2009, 11:19:52 AM12/1/09
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Now I know what "appeasement" means:

[but I want them sued and criminally charged, which is a highly
effective reality-based behavior]

Clinical Issues in Treating the Acutely Traumatized Patient in
Hospitaltized Settings, p. 14
https://www.emergencypsychiatry.org/PDF/Summer2005.pdf

buzzard

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Dec 1, 2009, 7:53:50 PM12/1/09
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Is it your job to maintain the servers? Are you the moderator?
Is the continued existence of this newsgroup an inconvenience
to you?

Generally, when one does not like a particular newsgroup,
one simply unsubscribes from it. If everyone does that,
then there is no more newsgroup.

Instead of coming back here over and over Art, why don't
you just forget that alt.support.attn-deficit exists?
Out of sight, out of mind, as they say.
The people here are perfectly capable of discussing the
issues as they see fit, and that needn't bother you if
you aren't here to read it.

Personally, I think you probably see this group
as a yummy target.

mark.p...@gmail.com

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Dec 1, 2009, 8:17:55 PM12/1/09
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Excellent insight.

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Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Dec 5, 2009, 3:33:00 AM12/5/09
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Yes, I am the de-fact moderator, so obviously my opinion counts more
than any other person here, with the exception of Ilena, Jan Drew and
Linda, of course. I have decided upon much reflection that this group
should consider shutting down, there are other groups dealing with
REAL mental health problems.

It pains me to see such obviously shills on this newsgroup, such as
the 3-P Boyz and their minions. No matter, we have stood tall and
proud against their disinformation campaign and we will protect this
group NO MATTER WHAT.

Rest assured that when the time is right, it will be CLOSED for good.
Until then, we will continue to monitor this group for suspicious
activities. I can safely suggest to all people on this newsgroup,
stay away from Proby and his cult, they have NOTHING useful to say.

Sir ArtiØ

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Dec 5, 2009, 3:34:40 AM12/5/09
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On Dec 2, 11:03 am, Translucent Troglodyte
<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:07:02 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.

>
> Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> >My understanding of ADD/ADHD is vastly superior to yours and of course
> >you are very jealous of that.  That is totally understandable.  I am
> >here ONLY to share information, not profit from it.  That would be
> >wrong.
>
> Profit isn't always financial gain.  You obviously get something out
> of spouting off a bunch of conspiracy crap about big pharma on this
> issue.

Completely and utterly false. To even comment on your outrageous
conspiracy theories only empowers you and your kind, but no matter,
everything I have ever posted and will post is 100% correct and easily
proven. Those are the undeniable facts.

sharon y.

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Dec 8, 2009, 2:10:38 PM12/8/09
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On Dec 5, 3:34 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."

<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> On Dec 2, 11:03 am, Translucent Troglodyte
>
> <translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:07:02 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
>
> > Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> > >My understanding of ADD/ADHD is vastly superior to yours and of course
> > >you are very jealous of that.  That is totally understandable.  I am
> > >here ONLY to share information, not profit from it.  That would be
> > >wrong.
>
> > Profit isn't always financial gain.  You obviously get something out
> > of spouting off a bunch of conspiracy crap about big pharma on this
> > issue.
>
> Completely and utterly false.  To even comment on your outrageous
> conspiracy theories only empowers you and your kind, but no matter,
> everything I have ever posted and will post is 100% correct and easily
> proven. Those are the undeniable facts.

I am glad I found this group... how can it all be a myth if there are
so many of us out there and suffering, and probably even more who are
suffering and have not yet been diagnosed. I am 44 and I just
diagnosed at the age of 43 but I can tell you by looking at my report
cards as a kid, I was probably suffering since I was 7 years old...

We need groups like this when no one in the outside world understands
us!

Keep the messages coming!

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buzzard

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Dec 8, 2009, 8:06:45 PM12/8/09
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sharon y. wrote:
> I am glad I found this group... how can it all be a myth if there are
> so many of us out there and suffering, and probably even more who are
> suffering and have not yet been diagnosed. I am 44 and I just
> diagnosed at the age of 43 but I can tell you by looking at my report
> cards as a kid, I was probably suffering since I was 7 years old...
> We need groups like this when no one in the outside world understands
> us! Keep the messages coming!

Hi Sharon.

Some of those who don't understand occasionally post here,
claiming that ADD doesn't really exist. And some of them,
and/or their kids, may have been diagnosed with ADD when they
didn't really have it. From what I hear, there has been
somewhat of an overdiagnosis in recent years, and many
non-ADD kids have ended up on meds for just being kids.
I guess they're pretty mad about that, and maybe they don't
see that just because they were misdiagnosed and didn't have
it, that doesn't mean that others don't have ADD.

Personally, I haven't been professionally diagnosed since the
mid 1970's. They gave me Ritalin for awhile, but discontinued
it due to the horrible side-effect of major depression.
After that, there was no more treatment. Ever.
But I post here because I know I still have the symptoms.

What was it i was going to type next? Oh well...

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Dec 10, 2009, 7:26:27 AM12/10/09
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Okay, I have decided to keep this group running, for now. We can
tolerate useful idiots like Proby and his ilk. We will have to
continue to monitor this group until his kooky cult quits their
counter-insurgency against honest posters here. We are up to the task!

mark.p...@gmail.com

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Dec 10, 2009, 9:30:27 AM12/10/09
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On Dec 10, 7:26 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
> counter-insurgency against honest posters here.  We are up to the task!-

The only thing you are up to is no good. Do I have to post your
history? Do I have to mention how you impersonated a doctor and
refused to pay your ISP so they gave you the boot? Do you need to be
reminded on how you manipulated Sara and Tim? Does the Washington Post
Affair, where you were rebuked by them for altering their articles
have any meaning to you?

You should try to pull your head out of your ass, as the chrinic lack
of oxygen may kill that one remaining grey cell.

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mark.p...@gmail.com

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Dec 10, 2009, 4:54:44 PM12/10/09
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On Dec 10, 4:25 pm, Translucent Troglodyte
<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:26:27 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
> Is that the royal "we"

The only royal thing about fArtie is that he is a royal pain in the
ass.

of which you speak, or have you dissociative
> identity disorder so that you must manage several alters competing for
> time at the keyboard?

He does not manage them. He allows all of them out at the same time.
That is the only explanation for his nefarious deeds.

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Dec 12, 2009, 6:49:26 AM12/12/09
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On Dec 10, 1:25 pm, Translucent Troglodyte
<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:26:27 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
> Is that the royal "we" of which you speak, or have you dissociative

> identity disorder so that you must manage several alters competing for
> time at the keyboard?
> TT

You raise some interesting points. I will continue to keep this
group open, although the infiltration of certain obviously shills,
such as Proby and his gang, are hellbent in trying to destroy it. WE
MUST NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN! There is some solid information posted
from time to time, usually from honest researchers such as Linda and
Ilena and a few others. I truly salute them for their hard work and
real dedication to these issues on mental health.

The misinformation specialists, such as the disbarred lawyer and his
discredited friends, are really easy to point out, and we will
continue to do that.

You can rest assured for the time being this group will be allowed to
continue, but we will monitor it very closely.

Thank you for your opinions and suggestions. We have decided to keep
it an open forum, even though the likes of certain "troubled"
individuals are trying to undermine our hard work. As always we will
keep the facts posted so people can learn the real truth.

Carry on!......

S.A.C.B.E.W.

mark.p...@gmail.com

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Dec 12, 2009, 7:18:56 PM12/12/09
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On Dec 12, 6:49 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."

The group was attack by you and your ilk. Like I said, The only thing


you are up to is no good. Do I have to post your
history? Do I have to mention how you impersonated a doctor and
refused to pay your ISP so they gave you the boot? Do you need to be
reminded on how you manipulated Sara and Tim? Does the Washington Post
Affair, where you were rebuked by them for altering their articles
have any meaning to you?

It is all there in the archives on GoogleGroups.

WE
> MUST NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN!  There is some solid information posted
> from time to time, usually from honest researchers such as Linda and
> Ilena and a few others.  

As usual, you identify women whom you think you can manipulate.
Nothing new from you in 13 years.

I truly salute them for their hard work and
> real dedication to these issues on mental health.
>
> The misinformation specialists, such as the disbarred lawyer and his
> discredited friends, are really easy to point out, and we will
> continue to do that.
>
> You can rest assured for the time being this group will be allowed to
> continue, but we will monitor it very closely.

This is an alt. group. You have nothing to say about it.

> Thank you for your opinions and suggestions.  We have decided to keep
> it an open forum, even though the likes of certain "troubled"
> individuals are trying to undermine our hard work.  As always we will
> keep the facts posted so people can learn the real truth.

You would not know a fact if it were shove up your ass.

>
> Carry on!......
>
> S.A.C.B.E.W.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Jan Drew

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Dec 13, 2009, 1:13:03 AM12/13/09
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Mark S Probert posting under lumbercartel.com, and gmail.com.

> You would not know a fact if it were shove up your ass.

http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-6b.html

G-d's Justice System

When we judge others, we are setting our own personal justice system.
If I am constantly finding fault and criticizing others, I send a
message to G-d. Shortcomings should be noticed and highlighted;
there's no room for mercy and tolerance. And G-d allows us to fashion
the very justice system with which He views us. If we see only the bad
in others, we bring upon ourselves the very judgment we, in our minds,
visit upon others daily.

http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=338

In the next portion of the midrash, the sages teach that it is fitting
for people to speak in clean, appropriate language:"

The words of Hashem are pure'...In the Torah, God chose to write eight
extra words in order to avoid using terminology which was not 100%
'clean. In the Book of Bereishit, for instance, Noach is told to
choose for the ark from among 'the pure cattle and from the cattle
that is not pure...' [- instead of referring to the latter group using
the Hebrew term for ritually impure beasts, "Tameh." ] In
disqualifying the rabbit as a pure animal, the Torah does not say that
the impurity derives from the fact that the rabbit does not have split
hooves, [though this is true] but rather that the rabbit is impure
because it [only] chews its cud. (Vaykira 11)" The clear message of
the midrash: when unpleasant things are uttered, they must be
expressed in the cleanest, most honorable manner possible.

When we talk about being careful about speech, we're talking about two
different issues. What to say, and how to say it.

First of all, it is important not to say things that need not be said.
When something is in need of being said, it should be expressed using
clean, appropriate language. I've mentioned on several occasions that
Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook (of blessed memory) was very cautious with his
words, always carefully weighing what he had to say before he said it.
He would never say things in the negative, but would always couch his
ideas in positive terms.

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Dec 13, 2009, 2:56:37 AM12/13/09
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On Dec 12, 4:18 pm, "markprob...@lumbercartel.com"

So true. It is incredible that Proby has to repost his obvious
propaganda. I refuse to dignify his disinformation, that would only
empower his degenerate cult.

Of course if it weren't for Jan Drew, this newsgroup would have
imploded many MANY years ago. So I salute all of Jan's hard work and
dedication, she truly has helped more people than anybody could
possibly count!! Jan is a selfless servant to the victims of our
medical and psychiatric community. Jan has posted reliable and
scientifically proven medical information that is worth its weight in
gold. Proby and the other detractors are obvious shills that are
ignored by intelligent people.

I have decided to keep this group open for now, so don't worry about
it, Jan, Linda, Ilena and I will be here to keep this group safe and
sound!

sir ArtiØ

Linda

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Dec 13, 2009, 3:15:04 AM12/13/09
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On Dec 12, 11:56 pm, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."

:-)

>
> sir ArtiØ- Hide quoted text -

Translucent Troglodyte

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Dec 13, 2009, 7:49:38 AM12/13/09
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Such an arrogant idiot you are. It's not a forum, it's a usenet
group. What's more, it's a usenet newsgroup in the alt.* hierarchy,
which means that now it's created, it has a life of its own. There is
no decision to be made whether to keep it open or close it down.

But you already know all that, this is all just verbal masturbation
and attention-seeking on your part - your version of a profit motive,
so I write this out for the unfortunate folks who stumble upon a.s.a-d
from Google, and have never heard of usenet, and will never know the
usefulness of a newsreader with killfiles to make the blowhards like
yourself disappear from those who might have something useful to
offer.

Linda

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Dec 13, 2009, 2:09:47 PM12/13/09
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On Dec 13, 4:49 am, Translucent Troglodyte
> It's not a forum, it's a usenet group.

Splitting hairs, eh?

> What's more, it's a usenet newsgroup in the alt.* hierarchy,
> which means that now it's created, it has a life of its own.

The "life" of ASAD includes Art's periodic publication of satirical
pieces mocking and ridiculing the disbarred attorneys, smut kings,
convicted child molesters, authors of pedarestic SMBD FAQ's, two
time killers, wicked women and all the other rogues who are forever
trying to usurp ASAD to further their own malicious, sinister,
predatory, and mercenary agendas.


>
> But you already know all that, this is all just verbal masturbation
> and attention-seeking on your part - your version of a profit motive,
> so I write this out for the unfortunate folks who stumble upon a.s.a-d
> from Google, and have never heard of usenet, and will never know the
> usefulness of a newsreader with killfiles to make the blowhards like
> yourself disappear from those who might have something useful to
> offer.

Endeavoring to oppress the thoughts, feelings, and behavior of
others by pathologizing the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors of
anyone whose thoughts, feelings and behaviors displeases one is
narcissism in it's extreme.

Narcissist's classifying clusters of thoughts, feelings, and
behaviors which displease narcissists AS IF the specified cluster of
thoughts, feelings, and behaviors which displease narcissists is a
"mental disease" renders all socalled mental diseases "socially
constructed" diseases".

Usenet's SOC hierarchy is, always has been, and always will be the
appropriate Usenet hierarchy for the narcissists who tout "socially
constructed" mental diseases, and/or, the inverted narcissists who
buy into Narcissists pathologizing OP's thoughts, feelings, and
behaviors, to engage in supportive discussion of any and all of
these "SOCially constructed diseases."

Usenet's ALT hierarchy is, always has been, and always will be the
appropriate place for Art, myself and others to publish articles
mocking and ridiculing the narcissism and/or inverted narcissism of
those who tout and/or buy into "socially constructed" mental diseases
which don't exist outside the vain imaginings of the Narcissists who
invent them and/or the Narcissist's brain dead doormats who buy into
the Narcissist's skewed, self-serving, and non-factual based
pathologizing of other people thoughts, feelings, and behaviors.

You and anyone else who CHOOSE to eschew discussion forums and/or
support groups in Usenet's SOC hierarchy, in favor of, your
subscribing to discussion forums and/or support groups located in
Usenet's ALT hierarchy haven't anyone other then your narcissistic
selves to blame when you discover you are the butt of Art or anyone
elses periodic publication of satirical pieces mocking and ridiculing
the cyberpaths who cybersquat their sociopathic arses in ASAD and
other ALT ngs.

It's your vain imaginings or Narcissism which inspire your false
belief that those who tout and/or buy into the Myth of Mental Illness
are anything other then Persona Non Grata's as far as the legitimate
subscribers of discussion and/or support groups located in Usenet's
ALT hierarchy.

It's your vain imaginings aka Narcissim which incites you to falsely
believe that Art's periodic publication of satirical articles mocking
and ridiculing the cyberpaths who cybersquat their sociopathic arses
in ASAD and other alternative forums is motivated by anything other
then a desire to entertain myself, Jan, Ilena, and all the others
who have been being globally defamed, blackmailed, stalked, and
terrorized by the cyberpaths who cybersquat their sociopathic arses in
ASAD and other alternative discussion forums and/or support groups.

So you can huff and puff and blow all the malice you want, but,
neither you nor anyone else can do a damn thing about Art, Jan,
Ilena, myself or anyone else publishing our alternative POV in ASAD
or any other ALT ng, and/or, periodicly publishing satirical
articles mocking and ridiculing the narcissists and inverted
narcissists who chose to eschew discussion forums/support NGs in
Usenet's SOC hierarchy in favor of cyberquatting their sociopathic
arses in ASAD and Usenet's other ALT forums.

Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Dec 24, 2009, 9:30:49 AM12/24/09
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On Dec 8, 11:10 am, "sharon y." <genealogicalge...@gmail.com> wrote:

Good! For the time being I WILL let this group operate!! Thank
GOODNESS we have Linda and a few other well-informed people to monitor
its activities. But if the infiltrators keep posting nonsense, such
as the 3-P Boyz, we may have to temporarily suspend its operations!!!
Although it probably won't come to THAT!

Sir ArtiØ

mark.p...@gmail.com

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Dec 24, 2009, 1:11:39 PM12/24/09
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On Dec 24, 9:30 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
> Sir ArtiØ-

Yes, a zero in you sig says it all.

Jan Drew

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On Dec 24, 1:11�pm, "markprob...@lumbercartel.com"
> > Sir Arti�-
>
> Yes, a zero in you sig says it all.- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

Is that in the spirit of the season, Mark S Probert?

Linda

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Dec 24, 2009, 11:24:21 PM12/24/09
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On Dec 24, 6:30 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."

Ha!

I recently learned yet another one of the disbarred attorney's fellow
cyberterrorists has been implicated as a killer.

This means that three killers and/or suspected murderers are amongst
the 500 plus entities who have criminally co-conspired with the
disbarred attorney', a suspected murderers, to disrupt the formation
of human networks in Usenet's alternative discussio forums.

Obviously, I couldn't possibly monitor the criminal activities of
killers, rapists, arsons, baby rapists, kidnappers, torturers,
batterers, terrorists, burglars, vandals, hackers, bank frauds,
identity thieves, forgers, and other assorted criminals who
comprise the Disbarred Attorney's domestic Terrorist Cell.

All I can do is document the names/aliases, addresses, and the
numerous crimes perpetrated by the criminals who have participated in
the criminal conspiracy to blackmail and terrorize you, Jan, Ilena,
myself and so many other health lovers.

Once the Grayson-Paul Coalition gets their bill requiring a full and
complete audit of the FED enacted into law, I will match the names
of all Probert's criminal co-conspirators with the amount of money
each was paid to conspire in the blackmail and terrorism of innocent
health loving American Soccer Moms, Little League Dads and their
children.

Nothing demonstrates the corruptness of the Predatory USG more than
it's paying known killers, rapists, baby rapists, arsons,
vandals, burglars, hackers, torturers, terrorists, stalkers,
identity thieves, forgers, and other sordid criminals 100g's or more
a year to participate in a Conspiracy to Blackmail and Terrorise
America's Soccer Moms, Little League Dads and their children.

Peter B

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Dec 25, 2009, 1:23:25 AM12/25/09
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How many years old is this post you are responding too?


Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.

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Dec 25, 2009, 11:52:25 AM12/25/09
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Proby is an A #1 crack-pot! It is "his" season to make off-color
remarks. Of course, our knowledge of the subject and related mental-
health issues, far exceeds the little bit that Proby claims to know!

Even so, I have decided to keep this group open DESPITE Proby and his
kooky cult. Although we will closely monitor this group for mis and
disinformation.

Thank you!!

Sir ArtiØ

Peter B

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"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in
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Just because you have had excessive and ongoing psychiatric counseling
does not make you knowledgeable in the field of mental health issues.
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Even so, I have decided to keep this group open DESPITE Proby and his
kooky cult. Although we will closely monitor this group for mis and
disinformation.

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What are your alien space characters telling you now?

Thank you!!
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The pleasure is all mine.
Sir Arti�


mark.p...@gmail.com

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Dec 25, 2009, 7:57:04 PM12/25/09
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> Is that in the spirit of the season, Mark S Probert?-

Jan, that cease fire is limited to Y O U and no one else.

As for Zero, he gets what he deserves, considering his evil history of
manipulating people, mocking a seriously ill person, plagiarizing a
newspaper article and changing its meaning, etc.

mark.p...@gmail.com

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On Dec 25, 11:52 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
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Yes, you are a Zero, Frager/Kolnick, et al.

mark.p...@gmail.com

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> Even so, I have decided to keep this group open DESPITE Proby and his
> kooky cult.  Although we will closely monitor this group for mis and
> disinformation.
> ====================================================
> What are your alien space characters telling you now?
>
> Thank you!!
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> The pleasure is all mine.
> Sir ArtiØ- Hide quoted text -

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You might enjoy this post, made by me, sev eral years ago. Note the
email at the bottom. fArtie used to call himself Dr Richard Frager.

http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien/browse_thread/thread/eb5ebc9d30c96a82/723e098fb0ed6eb7?hl=en&q=fragerfaq

Jan Drew

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Dec 25, 2009, 8:58:36 PM12/25/09
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You might enjoy Mark S Probert's history that proves he is dishonest.

In the Matter of Mark Probert (Admitted as Mark S. Probert), a
Suspended Attorney, Respondent.
Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District, Petitioner.

92-02731

SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, SECOND DEPARTMENT

183 A.D.2d 282; 590 N.Y.S.2d 747

November 9, 1992, Decided

PRIOR HISTORY: [***1]

Disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Grievance Committee for
the
Tenth Judicial District. Respondent was admitted to the Bar on
February 15, 1978, at a term of the Appellate Division of the Supreme
Court in the Second Judicial Department, under the name Mark S.
Probert.

DISPOSITION: Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose
discipline
upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is
granted; and it is further,

HEADNOTES: Attorney and Client - Disciplinary Proceedings

Respondent attorney, who is charged with 22 counts of failing to
cooperate with investigations of alleged misconduct by the Grievance
Committee, and who has failed to answer or appear, is disbarred.

COUNSEL:

Frank A. Finnerty, Jr., Westbury (Muriel L. Gennosa of counsel), for
petitioner.

JUDGES: Mangano, P. J., Thompson, Bracken, Sullivan and Harwood, JJ.,
concur.

Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the
respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and
it is further,

Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary Law § 90, effective immediately,
the respondent, Mark Probert, is disbarred and his name is stricken
from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law; and it is further,

Ordered that the respondent shall continue to comply with this
Court's
rules governing the conduct of disbarred, suspended and resigned
attorneys (22 NYCRR 691.10); and it is further,

Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary [***2] Law § 90, the respondent,
Mark Probert, is commanded to continue to desist and refrain (1) from
practicing law in any form, either as principal or as agent, clerk or
employee of another, (2) from appearing as an attorney or
counselor-at-law before any court, Judge, Justice, board, commission
or other public authority, (3) from giving to another an opinion as
to
the law or its application or any advice in relation thereto, and (4)
from holding himself out in any way as an attorney and
counselor-at-law.

OPINIONBY: Per Curiam.

OPINION: [*282]

[**747] By decision and order of this Court dated September 29,
1989, the respondent was suspended from the practice of law until the
further order of this Court based upon his failure to cooperate with
the Grievance Committee. By further order of this Court dated June 4,
1992, the Grievance Committee was authorized to institute and
prosecute a disciplinary proceeding [*283] against the respondent
and the Honorable Moses M. Weinstein was appointed as Special
Referee.

[**748] A notice of petition and petition was personally served
upon
the respondent on July 2, 1992. No answer was forthcoming. The
petitioner now moves to hold the [***3] respondent in default. The
motion was personally served upon the respondent on August 14, 1992.
The respondent has failed to submit any papers in response to the
default motion.

The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to
cooperate
with the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of
professional misconduct.

The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a
disciplinary sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent
has
chosen not to appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must
be deemed established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent
in default and impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly,
the respondent is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of
attorneys and counselors-at-law, effective immediately

Source:

NY UNIFIED COURT SYSTEM, ATTORNEY REGIST. UNIT

Currency Status:

ARCHIVE RECORD

NAME & PROFESSIONAL INFORMATION

Name:

MARK PROBERT

Date Of Birth:

11/XX/1946

Gender:

MALE

Address:

1698 WEBSTER AVE

MERRICK, NY 11566

County:

NASSAU

Phone:

516-968-5572

EMPLOYER INFORMATION

Employer:

MARK S PROBERT ESQ

Organization:

PERSON

LICENSING INFORMATION

Licensing Agency:

NY STATE OFFICE OF COURT ADMINISTRATION

License/Certification Type:

ATTORNEY

License Number:

1253889

Issue Date:

00/00/1978

License Status:

DISBARRED

License State:

NY

From: Mark Probert - view profile
Date: Sun, Feb 11 2001 4:17 pm
Email: Mark Probert <markpr...@my-deja.com>
Groups: k12.chat.teacher


Noah has had one since 11/26/96 (my birthday).

http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f06b48baa0e38b71

From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 23, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t
07-23...@lymbercartel.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:11 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 10:35 am
Subject: Re: Asbestos Deaths Up

The simple fact is that there is no cover-up regarding asbestos. In
the
1980's, under AHERA, schools nationwide removed tons of it.
Construction
companies were forced to perform abatement before renovations or
demolition.
There is no doubt that there are very sick people with asbestosis and
mesothelioma who were exposed to asbestos. I meet several of them
every
month and can usually find some documentation of their possible
exposure so
they can recevie WC benefits.

Backj in the 1950's and 1960's, there was no idea that asbestos
exposure
could be so dangerous. During WWII boat builders at the Navy Yards
were
routinely exposed to it, brought the dust home, and exposed their
families.
No one knew.

When I was in elementary school, I received a kit from a group in
Canada,
where asbestos was mined, called "Asbestos-The Magic Mineral." I
brought it
to school for a science project. No one knew.

Once the dangers became known, precautions were put in place, and,
eventually, abatement was begun. There is far less asbestos in our
environment to day, and HULDA CLARK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!

Anyone claiming that there was a cover-up is an liar.


http://www.asbestosnews.com/news/asbestos-exposure.html

Asbestos Exposure News
"Asbestos cover-up"
July 16, 2004
According to an Environmental Protection Agency memo, after the World
Trade Center collapse, city and federal officials concealed data
showing lower Manhattan air had more than double the level of asbestos
considered safe for humans. Despite this, the public was told it was
safe to return downtown. City tests were so overloaded September 13
with asbestos in the air that the lab could not conclude asbestos
levels. The city never released the asbestos information to the
public, and information on it's Website had 17 instances of
understated or blank data.
For more information on asbestos exposure, please contact us.
More Asbestos Law News....
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