Should we close this newsgroup now that the MYTH of ADD has been exposed.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
newsgroup. Now that the myth of ADD, as well as ADHD and ODD have
been officially proven to be nothing but a myth, this group has
outlived its usefulness. In fact, this group may be hurting people
since it gives the newbies and unsuspecting gullible folks false
hope. Do I hear second? Yes! Okay then - SHUT IT DOWN!!!
Twittering One
What do you think the chances are of me getting some Celexa, just to
take the edge off some of this chronic physical pain & holiday-and-
everyday despair I live with, for 3.5 years now?
Celexa is a nice safe relatively side-effect-free SSRI.
NO CHANCE!!!
Contraindicated because of that SHIT Bellevue did to me, along with a
few others disgusting pieces of spam garbage.
mark.p...@gmail.com
Hi, Fartie. Perhaps some family services could help you.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Proby, you disappoint me. I single-handedly saved this group from the
nonsense posters and improved it a million fold. Now that there are
NO more verifiable cases of ADD, I feel it is time to SHUT IT DOWN.
Yes, there may be one or two people a year with questions, which I can
handle through the usual means. Since nobody objected, except you, of
course, it should be obvious to everyone that this group has outlived
its usefulness. As usual, everything I ever posted has been proved to
100% correct.
mark.p...@gmail.com
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> On Nov 27, 7:52 pm, "markprob...@lumbercartel.com"
>
> <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Nov 26, 11:46 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
>
> > <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> > > I think it may be time, in fact way past time, to shut down this
> > > newsgroup. Now that the myth of ADD, as well as ADHD and ODD have
> > > been officially proven to be nothing but a myth, this group has
> > > outlived its usefulness. In fact, this group may be hurting people
> > > since it gives the newbies and unsuspecting gullible folks false
> > > hope. Do I hear second? Yes! Okay then - SHUT IT DOWN!!!
>
> > Hi, Fartie. Perhaps some family services could help you.
>
> Proby, you disappoint me.
If I only disappoint you, then I have to try harder.
> I single-handedly saved this group
There is only one thing you do single-handed and that is to post the
by-products of your one handed masturbation.
from the
> nonsense posters and improved it a million fold. Now that there are
> NO more verifiable cases of ADD, I feel it is time to SHUT IT DOWN.
> Yes, there may be one or two people a year with questions, which I can
> handle through the usual means. Since nobody objected, except you, of
> course, it should be obvious to everyone that this group has outlived
> its usefulness. As usual, everything I ever posted has been proved to
> 100% correct.
Everything you have ever posted is lies, bullshit and abuse. Need I
repeat your history, starting with the Washington Post smackdown?
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Proby, unlike you, I CARE about the people here. I have only posted
solid valid information and have never resorted to idiotic quips or
repeated lies. The only reason that my articles have not been posted
in medical journals is because of the loud-mouths and the useful
idiots. That is okay, they have been printed in places where people
read and not Big Pharma-influenced so-called journals.
My understanding of ADD/ADHD is vastly superior to yours and of course
you are very jealous of that. That is totally understandable. I am
here ONLY to share information, not profit from it. That would be
wrong.
Thank goodness for the Jan Drew's and the other outstanding posters
such as Linda and Ilena, they have made this newsgroup stronger! I
guess we should keep it up and running for a little while longer.
They still may be one or two people who believe in the ADD myth, and
this gives us a chance to straighten them out.
I guess you will go back to your silly little wisecracks, that is what
we have come to expect from you and your kind.
Sir Artio
Twittering One
Now I know what "appeasement" means:
[but I want them sued and criminally charged, which is a highly
effective reality-based behavior]
Clinical Issues in Treating the Acutely Traumatized Patient in
Hospitaltized Settings, p. 14
https://www.emergencypsychiatry.org/PDF/Summer2005.pdf
buzzard
Is it your job to maintain the servers? Are you the moderator?
Is the continued existence of this newsgroup an inconvenience
to you?
Generally, when one does not like a particular newsgroup,
one simply unsubscribes from it. If everyone does that,
then there is no more newsgroup.
Instead of coming back here over and over Art, why don't
you just forget that alt.support.attn-deficit exists?
Out of sight, out of mind, as they say.
The people here are perfectly capable of discussing the
issues as they see fit, and that needn't bother you if
you aren't here to read it.
Personally, I think you probably see this group
as a yummy target.
mark.p...@gmail.com
Excellent insight.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Yes, I am the de-fact moderator, so obviously my opinion counts more
than any other person here, with the exception of Ilena, Jan Drew and
Linda, of course. I have decided upon much reflection that this group
should consider shutting down, there are other groups dealing with
REAL mental health problems.
It pains me to see such obviously shills on this newsgroup, such as
the 3-P Boyz and their minions. No matter, we have stood tall and
proud against their disinformation campaign and we will protect this
group NO MATTER WHAT.
Rest assured that when the time is right, it will be CLOSED for good.
Until then, we will continue to monitor this group for suspicious
activities. I can safely suggest to all people on this newsgroup,
stay away from Proby and his cult, they have NOTHING useful to say.
Sir ArtiØ
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:07:02 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
>
> Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> >My understanding of ADD/ADHD is vastly superior to yours and of course
> >you are very jealous of that. That is totally understandable. I am
> >here ONLY to share information, not profit from it. That would be
> >wrong.
>
> of spouting off a bunch of conspiracy crap about big pharma on this
> issue.
Completely and utterly false. To even comment on your outrageous
conspiracy theories only empowers you and your kind, but no matter,
everything I have ever posted and will post is 100% correct and easily
proven. Those are the undeniable facts.
sharon y.
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> On Dec 2, 11:03 am, Translucent Troglodyte
>
> <translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On Mon, 30 Nov 2009 07:07:02 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
>
> > Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> > >My understanding of ADD/ADHD is vastly superior to yours and of course
> > >you are very jealous of that. That is totally understandable. I am
> > >here ONLY to share information, not profit from it. That would be
> > >wrong.
>
> > Profit isn't always financial gain. You obviously get something out
> > of spouting off a bunch of conspiracy crap about big pharma on this
> > issue.
>
> Completely and utterly false. To even comment on your outrageous
> conspiracy theories only empowers you and your kind, but no matter,
> everything I have ever posted and will post is 100% correct and easily
> proven. Those are the undeniable facts.
I am glad I found this group... how can it all be a myth if there are
so many of us out there and suffering, and probably even more who are
suffering and have not yet been diagnosed. I am 44 and I just
diagnosed at the age of 43 but I can tell you by looking at my report
cards as a kid, I was probably suffering since I was 7 years old...
We need groups like this when no one in the outside world understands
us!
Keep the messages coming!
buzzard
> I am glad I found this group... how can it all be a myth if there are
> so many of us out there and suffering, and probably even more who are
> suffering and have not yet been diagnosed. I am 44 and I just
> diagnosed at the age of 43 but I can tell you by looking at my report
> cards as a kid, I was probably suffering since I was 7 years old...
> We need groups like this when no one in the outside world understands
> us! Keep the messages coming!
Hi Sharon.
Some of those who don't understand occasionally post here,
claiming that ADD doesn't really exist. And some of them,
and/or their kids, may have been diagnosed with ADD when they
didn't really have it. From what I hear, there has been
somewhat of an overdiagnosis in recent years, and many
non-ADD kids have ended up on meds for just being kids.
I guess they're pretty mad about that, and maybe they don't
see that just because they were misdiagnosed and didn't have
it, that doesn't mean that others don't have ADD.
Personally, I haven't been professionally diagnosed since the
mid 1970's. They gave me Ritalin for awhile, but discontinued
it due to the horrible side-effect of major depression.
After that, there was no more treatment. Ever.
But I post here because I know I still have the symptoms.
What was it i was going to type next? Oh well...
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Okay, I have decided to keep this group running, for now. We can
tolerate useful idiots like Proby and his ilk. We will have to
continue to monitor this group until his kooky cult quits their
counter-insurgency against honest posters here. We are up to the task!
mark.p...@gmail.com
The only thing you are up to is no good. Do I have to post your
history? Do I have to mention how you impersonated a doctor and
refused to pay your ISP so they gave you the boot? Do you need to be
reminded on how you manipulated Sara and Tim? Does the Washington Post
Affair, where you were rebuked by them for altering their articles
have any meaning to you?
You should try to pull your head out of your ass, as the chrinic lack
of oxygen may kill that one remaining grey cell.
mark.p...@gmail.com
<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:26:27 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
The only royal thing about fArtie is that he is a royal pain in the
ass.
of which you speak, or have you dissociative
> identity disorder so that you must manage several alters competing for
> time at the keyboard?
He does not manage them. He allows all of them out at the same time.
That is the only explanation for his nefarious deeds.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
<translucent.troglod...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:26:27 -0800 (PST), "Sir Arthur C.B.E.
> identity disorder so that you must manage several alters competing for
> time at the keyboard?
You raise some interesting points. I will continue to keep this
group open, although the infiltration of certain obviously shills,
such as Proby and his gang, are hellbent in trying to destroy it. WE
MUST NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN! There is some solid information posted
from time to time, usually from honest researchers such as Linda and
Ilena and a few others. I truly salute them for their hard work and
real dedication to these issues on mental health.
The misinformation specialists, such as the disbarred lawyer and his
discredited friends, are really easy to point out, and we will
continue to do that.
You can rest assured for the time being this group will be allowed to
continue, but we will monitor it very closely.
Thank you for your opinions and suggestions. We have decided to keep
it an open forum, even though the likes of certain "troubled"
individuals are trying to undermine our hard work. As always we will
keep the facts posted so people can learn the real truth.
Carry on!......
S.A.C.B.E.W.
mark.p...@gmail.com
The group was attack by you and your ilk. Like I said, The only thing
you are up to is no good. Do I have to post your
history? Do I have to mention how you impersonated a doctor and
refused to pay your ISP so they gave you the boot? Do you need to be
reminded on how you manipulated Sara and Tim? Does the Washington Post
Affair, where you were rebuked by them for altering their articles
have any meaning to you?
It is all there in the archives on GoogleGroups.
WE
> MUST NOT ALLOW THIS TO HAPPEN! There is some solid information posted
> from time to time, usually from honest researchers such as Linda and
> Ilena and a few others.
As usual, you identify women whom you think you can manipulate.
Nothing new from you in 13 years.
I truly salute them for their hard work and
> real dedication to these issues on mental health.
>
> The misinformation specialists, such as the disbarred lawyer and his
> discredited friends, are really easy to point out, and we will
> continue to do that.
>
> You can rest assured for the time being this group will be allowed to
> continue, but we will monitor it very closely.
This is an alt. group. You have nothing to say about it.
> Thank you for your opinions and suggestions. We have decided to keep
> it an open forum, even though the likes of certain "troubled"
> individuals are trying to undermine our hard work. As always we will
> keep the facts posted so people can learn the real truth.
You would not know a fact if it were shove up your ass.
>
> Carry on!......
>
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>
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Jan Drew
> You would not know a fact if it were shove up your ass.
http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-6b.html
G-d's Justice System
When we judge others, we are setting our own personal justice system.
If I am constantly finding fault and criticizing others, I send a
message to G-d. Shortcomings should be noticed and highlighted;
there's no room for mercy and tolerance. And G-d allows us to fashion
the very justice system with which He views us. If we see only the bad
in others, we bring upon ourselves the very judgment we, in our minds,
visit upon others daily.
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=338
In the next portion of the midrash, the sages teach that it is fitting
for people to speak in clean, appropriate language:"
The words of Hashem are pure'...In the Torah, God chose to write eight
extra words in order to avoid using terminology which was not 100%
'clean. In the Book of Bereishit, for instance, Noach is told to
choose for the ark from among 'the pure cattle and from the cattle
that is not pure...' [- instead of referring to the latter group using
the Hebrew term for ritually impure beasts, "Tameh." ] In
disqualifying the rabbit as a pure animal, the Torah does not say that
the impurity derives from the fact that the rabbit does not have split
hooves, [though this is true] but rather that the rabbit is impure
because it [only] chews its cud. (Vaykira 11)" The clear message of
the midrash: when unpleasant things are uttered, they must be
expressed in the cleanest, most honorable manner possible.
When we talk about being careful about speech, we're talking about two
different issues. What to say, and how to say it.
First of all, it is important not to say things that need not be said.
When something is in need of being said, it should be expressed using
clean, appropriate language. I've mentioned on several occasions that
Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook (of blessed memory) was very cautious with his
words, always carefully weighing what he had to say before he said it.
He would never say things in the negative, but would always couch his
ideas in positive terms.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
So true. It is incredible that Proby has to repost his obvious
propaganda. I refuse to dignify his disinformation, that would only
empower his degenerate cult.
Of course if it weren't for Jan Drew, this newsgroup would have
imploded many MANY years ago. So I salute all of Jan's hard work and
dedication, she truly has helped more people than anybody could
possibly count!! Jan is a selfless servant to the victims of our
medical and psychiatric community. Jan has posted reliable and
scientifically proven medical information that is worth its weight in
gold. Proby and the other detractors are obvious shills that are
ignored by intelligent people.
I have decided to keep this group open for now, so don't worry about
it, Jan, Linda, Ilena and I will be here to keep this group safe and
sound!
sir ArtiØ
Linda
:-)
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Translucent Troglodyte
Such an arrogant idiot you are. It's not a forum, it's a usenet
group. What's more, it's a usenet newsgroup in the alt.* hierarchy,
which means that now it's created, it has a life of its own. There is
no decision to be made whether to keep it open or close it down.
But you already know all that, this is all just verbal masturbation
and attention-seeking on your part - your version of a profit motive,
so I write this out for the unfortunate folks who stumble upon a.s.a-d
from Google, and have never heard of usenet, and will never know the
usefulness of a newsreader with killfiles to make the blowhards like
yourself disappear from those who might have something useful to
offer.
Linda
Splitting hairs, eh?
> What's more, it's a usenet newsgroup in the alt.* hierarchy,
> which means that now it's created, it has a life of its own.
The "life" of ASAD includes Art's periodic publication of satirical
pieces mocking and ridiculing the disbarred attorneys, smut kings,
convicted child molesters, authors of pedarestic SMBD FAQ's, two
time killers, wicked women and all the other rogues who are forever
trying to usurp ASAD to further their own malicious, sinister,
predatory, and mercenary agendas.
>
> But you already know all that, this is all just verbal masturbation
> and attention-seeking on your part - your version of a profit motive,
> so I write this out for the unfortunate folks who stumble upon a.s.a-d
> from Google, and have never heard of usenet, and will never know the
> usefulness of a newsreader with killfiles to make the blowhards like
> yourself disappear from those who might have something useful to
> offer.
Endeavoring to oppress the thoughts, feelings, and behavior of
others by pathologizing the thoughts, feelings, and behaviors of
anyone whose thoughts, feelings and behaviors displeases one is
narcissism in it's extreme.
Narcissist's classifying clusters of thoughts, feelings, and
behaviors which displease narcissists AS IF the specified cluster of
thoughts, feelings, and behaviors which displease narcissists is a
"mental disease" renders all socalled mental diseases "socially
constructed" diseases".
Usenet's SOC hierarchy is, always has been, and always will be the
appropriate Usenet hierarchy for the narcissists who tout "socially
constructed" mental diseases, and/or, the inverted narcissists who
buy into Narcissists pathologizing OP's thoughts, feelings, and
behaviors, to engage in supportive discussion of any and all of
these "SOCially constructed diseases."
Usenet's ALT hierarchy is, always has been, and always will be the
appropriate place for Art, myself and others to publish articles
mocking and ridiculing the narcissism and/or inverted narcissism of
those who tout and/or buy into "socially constructed" mental diseases
which don't exist outside the vain imaginings of the Narcissists who
invent them and/or the Narcissist's brain dead doormats who buy into
the Narcissist's skewed, self-serving, and non-factual based
pathologizing of other people thoughts, feelings, and behaviors.
You and anyone else who CHOOSE to eschew discussion forums and/or
support groups in Usenet's SOC hierarchy, in favor of, your
subscribing to discussion forums and/or support groups located in
Usenet's ALT hierarchy haven't anyone other then your narcissistic
selves to blame when you discover you are the butt of Art or anyone
elses periodic publication of satirical pieces mocking and ridiculing
the cyberpaths who cybersquat their sociopathic arses in ASAD and
other ALT ngs.
It's your vain imaginings or Narcissism which inspire your false
belief that those who tout and/or buy into the Myth of Mental Illness
are anything other then Persona Non Grata's as far as the legitimate
subscribers of discussion and/or support groups located in Usenet's
ALT hierarchy.
It's your vain imaginings aka Narcissim which incites you to falsely
believe that Art's periodic publication of satirical articles mocking
and ridiculing the cyberpaths who cybersquat their sociopathic arses
in ASAD and other alternative forums is motivated by anything other
then a desire to entertain myself, Jan, Ilena, and all the others
who have been being globally defamed, blackmailed, stalked, and
terrorized by the cyberpaths who cybersquat their sociopathic arses in
ASAD and other alternative discussion forums and/or support groups.
So you can huff and puff and blow all the malice you want, but,
neither you nor anyone else can do a damn thing about Art, Jan,
Ilena, myself or anyone else publishing our alternative POV in ASAD
or any other ALT ng, and/or, periodicly publishing satirical
articles mocking and ridiculing the narcissists and inverted
narcissists who chose to eschew discussion forums/support NGs in
Usenet's SOC hierarchy in favor of cyberquatting their sociopathic
arses in ASAD and Usenet's other ALT forums.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Good! For the time being I WILL let this group operate!! Thank
GOODNESS we have Linda and a few other well-informed people to monitor
its activities. But if the infiltrators keep posting nonsense, such
as the 3-P Boyz, we may have to temporarily suspend its operations!!!
Although it probably won't come to THAT!
Sir ArtiØ
mark.p...@gmail.com
Yes, a zero in you sig says it all.
Jan Drew
>
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>
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Is that in the spirit of the season, Mark S Probert?
Linda
Ha!
I recently learned yet another one of the disbarred attorney's fellow
cyberterrorists has been implicated as a killer.
This means that three killers and/or suspected murderers are amongst
the 500 plus entities who have criminally co-conspired with the
disbarred attorney', a suspected murderers, to disrupt the formation
of human networks in Usenet's alternative discussio forums.
Obviously, I couldn't possibly monitor the criminal activities of
killers, rapists, arsons, baby rapists, kidnappers, torturers,
batterers, terrorists, burglars, vandals, hackers, bank frauds,
identity thieves, forgers, and other assorted criminals who
comprise the Disbarred Attorney's domestic Terrorist Cell.
All I can do is document the names/aliases, addresses, and the
numerous crimes perpetrated by the criminals who have participated in
the criminal conspiracy to blackmail and terrorize you, Jan, Ilena,
myself and so many other health lovers.
Once the Grayson-Paul Coalition gets their bill requiring a full and
complete audit of the FED enacted into law, I will match the names
of all Probert's criminal co-conspirators with the amount of money
each was paid to conspire in the blackmail and terrorism of innocent
health loving American Soccer Moms, Little League Dads and their
children.
Nothing demonstrates the corruptness of the Predatory USG more than
it's paying known killers, rapists, baby rapists, arsons,
vandals, burglars, hackers, torturers, terrorists, stalkers,
identity thieves, forgers, and other sordid criminals 100g's or more
a year to participate in a Conspiracy to Blackmail and Terrorise
America's Soccer Moms, Little League Dads and their children.
Peter B
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How many years old is this post you are responding too?
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Proby is an A #1 crack-pot! It is "his" season to make off-color
remarks. Of course, our knowledge of the subject and related mental-
health issues, far exceeds the little bit that Proby claims to know!
Even so, I have decided to keep this group open DESPITE Proby and his
kooky cult. Although we will closely monitor this group for mis and
disinformation.
Thank you!!
Sir ArtiØ
Peter B
"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in
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Just because you have had excessive and ongoing psychiatric counseling
does not make you knowledgeable in the field of mental health issues.
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Even so, I have decided to keep this group open DESPITE Proby and his
kooky cult. Although we will closely monitor this group for mis and
disinformation.
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What are your alien space characters telling you now?
Thank you!!
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The pleasure is all mine.
Sir Arti�
mark.p...@gmail.com
Jan, that cease fire is limited to Y O U and no one else.
As for Zero, he gets what he deserves, considering his evil history of
manipulating people, mocking a seriously ill person, plagiarizing a
newspaper article and changing its meaning, etc.
mark.p...@gmail.com
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
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> Ø-
Yes, you are a Zero, Frager/Kolnick, et al.
mark.p...@gmail.com
> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
> messagenews:e3f50f4e-4295-4a4d...@b36g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
> Even so, I have decided to keep this group open DESPITE Proby and his
> kooky cult. Although we will closely monitor this group for mis and
> disinformation.
> ====================================================
> What are your alien space characters telling you now?
>
> Thank you!!
> ====================================================
> The pleasure is all mine.
>
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You might enjoy this post, made by me, sev eral years ago. Note the
email at the bottom. fArtie used to call himself Dr Richard Frager.
Jan Drew
You might enjoy Mark S Probert's history that proves he is dishonest.
In the Matter of Mark Probert (Admitted as Mark S. Probert), a
Suspended Attorney, Respondent.
Grievance Committee for the Tenth Judicial District, Petitioner.
92-02731
SUPREME COURT OF NEW YORK, APPELLATE DIVISION, SECOND DEPARTMENT
183 A.D.2d 282; 590 N.Y.S.2d 747
November 9, 1992, Decided
PRIOR HISTORY: [***1]
Disciplinary proceedings instituted by the Grievance Committee for
the
Tenth Judicial District. Respondent was admitted to the Bar on
February 15, 1978, at a term of the Appellate Division of the Supreme
Court in the Second Judicial Department, under the name Mark S.
Probert.
DISPOSITION: Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose
discipline
upon the respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is
granted; and it is further,
HEADNOTES: Attorney and Client - Disciplinary Proceedings
Respondent attorney, who is charged with 22 counts of failing to
cooperate with investigations of alleged misconduct by the Grievance
Committee, and who has failed to answer or appear, is disbarred.
COUNSEL:
Frank A. Finnerty, Jr., Westbury (Muriel L. Gennosa of counsel), for
petitioner.
JUDGES: Mangano, P. J., Thompson, Bracken, Sullivan and Harwood, JJ.,
concur.
Ordered that the petitioner's motion to impose discipline upon the
respondent based upon his failure to appear or answer is granted; and
it is further,
Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary Law § 90, effective immediately,
the respondent, Mark Probert, is disbarred and his name is stricken
from the roll of attorneys and counselors-at-law; and it is further,
Ordered that the respondent shall continue to comply with this
Court's
rules governing the conduct of disbarred, suspended and resigned
attorneys (22 NYCRR 691.10); and it is further,
Ordered that pursuant to Judiciary [***2] Law § 90, the respondent,
Mark Probert, is commanded to continue to desist and refrain (1) from
practicing law in any form, either as principal or as agent, clerk or
employee of another, (2) from appearing as an attorney or
counselor-at-law before any court, Judge, Justice, board, commission
or other public authority, (3) from giving to another an opinion as
to
the law or its application or any advice in relation thereto, and (4)
from holding himself out in any way as an attorney and
counselor-at-law.
OPINIONBY: Per Curiam.
OPINION: [*282]
[**747] By decision and order of this Court dated September 29,
1989, the respondent was suspended from the practice of law until the
further order of this Court based upon his failure to cooperate with
the Grievance Committee. By further order of this Court dated June 4,
1992, the Grievance Committee was authorized to institute and
prosecute a disciplinary proceeding [*283] against the respondent
and the Honorable Moses M. Weinstein was appointed as Special
Referee.
[**748] A notice of petition and petition was personally served
upon
the respondent on July 2, 1992. No answer was forthcoming. The
petitioner now moves to hold the [***3] respondent in default. The
motion was personally served upon the respondent on August 14, 1992.
The respondent has failed to submit any papers in response to the
default motion.
The charges involve 22 counts of the respondent's failure to
cooperate
with the Grievance Committee in its investigations into complaints of
professional misconduct.
The charges, if established, would require the imposition of a
disciplinary sanction against the respondent. Since the respondent
has
chosen not to appear or answer in these proceedings, the charges must
be deemed established. The petitioner's motion to hold the respondent
in default and impose discipline is, therefore, granted. Accordingly,
the respondent is disbarred and his name is stricken from the roll of
attorneys and counselors-at-law, effective immediately
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From: Mark Probert - view profile
Date: Sun, Feb 11 2001 4:17 pm
Email: Mark Probert <markpr...@my-deja.com>
Groups: k12.chat.teacher
Noah has had one since 11/26/96 (my birthday).
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/f06b48baa0e38b71
From: "M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t-July 23, 2004" <M,a,r,k P,r,o,b,e,r,t
07-23...@lymbercartel.com>
Date: Fri, 23 Jul 2004 14:35:11 GMT
Local: Fri, Jul 23 2004 10:35 am
Subject: Re: Asbestos Deaths Up
The simple fact is that there is no cover-up regarding asbestos. In
the
1980's, under AHERA, schools nationwide removed tons of it.
Construction
companies were forced to perform abatement before renovations or
demolition.
There is no doubt that there are very sick people with asbestosis and
mesothelioma who were exposed to asbestos. I meet several of them
every
month and can usually find some documentation of their possible
exposure so
they can recevie WC benefits.
Backj in the 1950's and 1960's, there was no idea that asbestos
exposure
could be so dangerous. During WWII boat builders at the Navy Yards
were
routinely exposed to it, brought the dust home, and exposed their
families.
No one knew.
When I was in elementary school, I received a kit from a group in
Canada,
where asbestos was mined, called "Asbestos-The Magic Mineral." I
brought it
to school for a science project. No one knew.
Once the dangers became known, precautions were put in place, and,
eventually, abatement was begun. There is far less asbestos in our
environment to day, and HULDA CLARK HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT!
Anyone claiming that there was a cover-up is an liar.
http://www.asbestosnews.com/news/asbestos-exposure.html
Asbestos Exposure News
"Asbestos cover-up"
July 16, 2004
According to an Environmental Protection Agency memo, after the World
Trade Center collapse, city and federal officials concealed data
showing lower Manhattan air had more than double the level of asbestos
considered safe for humans. Despite this, the public was told it was
safe to return downtown. City tests were so overloaded September 13
with asbestos in the air that the lab could not conclude asbestos
levels. The city never released the asbestos information to the
public, and information on it's Website had 17 instances of
understated or blank data.
For more information on asbestos exposure, please contact us.
More Asbestos Law News....
=============
http://xtramsn.co.nz/business/0,,5008-4090727,00.html
Execs Charged Over Asbestos Cover-Up
08/02/2005 04:50 PM - Reuters - James Vicini
WR Grace & Co and seven current or former executives were charged on
Monday with conspiring to endanger residents in Libby, Montana, and
concealing the health risks from asbestos-contaminated vermiculite,
the US Justice Department said.
According to the indictment returned by a federal grand jury in
Montana, Grace spread the asbestos throughout the community to such
locations as commercial buildings and schools, including an outdoor
ice skating rink, school running tracks and baseball fields.
The 10-count indictment charges the defendants with conspiracy, clean-
air violations, wire fraud and obstruction of justice involving
asbestos-related diseases linked to its former vermiculite mining and
processing operations.
Grace, named in all 10 counts, could face fines of hundreds of
millions of dollars, a Justice Department official said.
Under the law, a company can be fined for up to twice the gain for
activities associated with its criminal conduct, the official said.
The indictment said Grace reaped more than US$140 million in profits
from asbestos-contaminated vermiculite.
Grace said in a statement that it "categorically denies any criminal
wrongdoing," and that it was supporting the long-term health care of
the citizens of Libby.
A specialty chemicals company currently in bankruptcy proceedings,
Grace operated the vermiculite mine from 1963 to 1990, and it
continued processing operations until 1992.
The vermiculite, with uses that included insulation, was contaminated
with a form of asbestos known as tremolite.
According to the indictment, the conspiracy began in 1976 and
continued until 2002. The conspirators knowingly released asbestos
into the air, placing at risk families of Grace employees and area
residents.
"It was a purpose of the conspiracy to increase profits and avoid
liability by misleading the government and preventing the government
from using its authorities to protect against risks to human health
and the environment," the indictment said.
About 1,200 Libby residents so far have been identified as having
asbestos-related lung abnormalities as a result of being exposed to
the asbestos from the mine, the 49-page indictment stated.
Libby's population totals about 8,000 people. The indictment said 70
percent of those with the abnormalities did not work in the mine.
The indictment said Libby's death rate from asbestosis, a scarring of
the lungs, is 40 to 80 times higher than expected when compared to
rates for Montana and the United States.
It said the lung cancer rate is about 30 percent higher for the town
compared with rates in the state and the United States.
Named in the indictment were Alan Stringer, a manager at the Libby
Mine; Henry Eschenbach, a health and safety expert at WR Grace's
Industrial Chemicals Group (ICG); and Jack Wolter a vice-president of
WR Grace's Construction Products Division (CPD).
Also named were William McCaig a maintenance superintendent and
operations manager at the mine; Robert Bettacchi, a president of the
CPD unit; Mario Favorito, legal counsel to WR Grace's ICG unit and
Robert Walsh, with positions that included executive vice president of
Grace Specialty Chemicals.
Eschenbach declined to comment. Efforts to reach the other defendants
were not immediately successful.
Grace and 61 of its US subsidiaries and affiliates, filed for
bankruptcy in April, 2001, under the weight of asbestos lawsuits.
Members of the US Senate are working on a trust fund to compensate
asbestos victims and end injury lawsuits.
http://www.kaimin.org/viewarticle.php?id=3934
Mining company guilty of asbestos cover-up in Libby
Tristan Scott
Montana Kaimin
Top employees of W.R. Grace & Co. knew its Montana mine was releasing
dangerous cancer-causing asbestos into the air and even conspired to
hide the known hazards from workers and area residents, according to a
federal grand jury indictment released Monday.
The now-closed vermiculite mine in Libby, a small northwest Montana
town where Grace operated for nearly 30 years, has been tied to nearly
200 deaths and infecting many more people with the lung disease
asbestosis.
Montana U.S. Attorney Bill Mercer announced the indictment Monday at
the Missoula County courthouse.
Seven of the company’s previous and existing employees were indicted
on 10 counts for conspiracy, violating the federal Clean Air Act, wire
fraud and obstructing justice.
The decision is being hailed by environmentalists as one of the most
important environmental indictments in history.
Grace and its employees are charged with releasing tremolite asbestos
— a carcinogen found in vermiculite ore — into the air and hindering
federal investigations, including a 1999 inspection conducted by the
Environmental Protection Agency, which former manager Alan Stringer
tried to inhibit by giving false and misleading information he knew
was inaccurate.
According to the 49-page indictment, Grace knew of employee health
problems as early as 1976, and was privy to studies and reports on the
dangers of asbestos vermiculite.
Exposure to asbestos can lead to lung cancer and asbestosis — a
disease that causes scarring of the lung.
Knowing the dangers of its product, company officials supplied
vermiculite to a junior high school for use on its running track and
lied about it during the EPA’s investigation, according to the
indictment. The document also cites instances in which the company
lied about having provided vermiculite insulation to locals for their
homes, as well as for use at a nearby ice rink.
The EPA has since declared the mine a Superfund site, and has spent
more than $55 million on cleanup.
A dispute over a federal judge’s 2003 ruling that Grace must repay the
EPA for that amount is ongoing.
The company was not available for comment Monday.
Stringer faces up to 70 years in prison, while Jack Wolter, a former
executive, and Robert Bettacchi, a senior vice president, each face
maximum prison terms of 55 years.
The company could face a fine of up to $280 million, twice the amount
of mining profits earned during its years of operation.
News of asbestos contamination in Libby first surfaced in 1999 after
national reports linked the mine’s pollution to the deaths and
illnesses of nearby residents.
Grace filed for bankruptcy in 2001 after the company was bombarded
with asbestos-related lawsuits.
Vermiculite from the Libby mine was frequently used as attic
insulation and as an ingredient in fireproofing products, potting
soils and fertilizers.
While many former employees have developed asbestosis as a result of
their direct exposure to the mine, their family members also suffer,
since the tiny asbestos fibers were brought home on workers’ clothing.
http://landofpuregold.com/truth202.htm
9/11 Memo Reveals Asbestos 'Cover-Up'
By Sam Smith, July 16, 2004
An Environmental Protection Agency memo claims city and federal
officials concealed data that showed lower Manhattan air was clouded
with asbestos after the World Trade Center collapse.
And officials sat on the alarming information even as they told the
public it was safe to return downtown, the internal memo says. Testing
by the city Department of Environmental Protection showed the air
downtown had more than double the level of asbestos considered safe
for humans, claimed federal EPA environmental scientist Cate Jenkins,
who supplied the memo to The Post.
The data, which Jenkins says she culled from state records, appear
damning. On the day after the attack, the memo claims, city test
results from the corner of Centre and Chambers streets and from the
corner of Spruce and Gold streets showed asbestos concentration at
about twice the level considered safe by the EPA.
The city did not release this information to the public, Jenkins
says.
The next day, Sept. 13, city tests were "overloaded" with asbestos in
the air so much that the lab could not conclude precise amounts
along Church Street.
Again, the information was withheld, the memo claims.
When the city published the test results for the weeks following 9/11
on its Web site in February 2002, there were 17 instances where the
data was either understated or left blank, Jenkins asserts in her
report.
"New York City could wiggle out of the [claim of] concealment, because
they weren't making any explicit statements about data at the time,"
Jenkins told The Post. "But the EPA can't wiggle out of this. They
said the air was safe at the same time they were coordinating data
with the city."
To drive her point home, Jenkins compares statements made by the EPA
on the same day test data was showing dangerous levels of asbestos. On
Sept. 18, then-EPA administrator Christie Whitman said the public in
lower Manhattan was not being exposed to "excessive levels of
asbestos."
That same day, city testing data, some of which was later made public,
showed asbestos levels 50 percent higher and more above what her
agency considers safe, the memo states.
Web Results 1 - 10 of about 28,600 for asbestos cover-up. (0.11
seconds)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med/msg/eac0698e78a0163c
March 21: 9:16 am 2006
. If you, and Jan, want to dredge up ancient
history, feel free. I do not play that game anymore.
If you continue to post with the same attitude, I will correctly
assume that you, too, in addition to Jan, want the war to continue.
I do not.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/406f648590b39f16
Nov 29 2005
"Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
news:vfZah.18334$mM1.5367@trndny08...
>I received this email this morning. Since the sender used anonymous email,
>I have no way of verifying it or knowing whether it is true or not. I post
>the full header for reference.
LOL!
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> To: "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
> Cc:
> Subject: Re: Jan Drew
> From: <jackr...@hushmail.com>
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To: 20061128160838.3E378DA...@mailserver8.hushmail.com
> On Tue, 28 Nov 2006 11:03:56 -0500 Mark Probert
> <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >On 11/28/06, jackr...@hushmail.com <jackr...@hushmail.com> wrote:
> >> Dear Mr. Probert:
> >> You do not know me, but I live in Indiana. I am writing to you,
> >> since you are being attacked by Jan Drew. I know you will
> >> understand.
> >> Years ago my parents placed me in a child care center run by Jan
> >> Drew. It was a nightmare.
> >> I was physically and verbally abused by her and other people
> >there.
> >> When I did not immediately do what they wanted, I was punished.
> >> Sometimes I was made to stay in a dark closet, other times I was
> >> not allowed to eat or go to the bathroom. I soiled myself
> >several
> >> times and was punished, again, for that.
> >> The worst part were the spankings with a big paddle They would
> >make
> >> me take my pants down and hit my rear with this. Some people
> >seemed
> >> to enjoy watching this. On several occasions, someone would
> >touch
> >> me, you know where.
> >> They told me not to tell anyone, or they would report my parents
> >> for child abuse and have me taken from my home. I was scared to
> >> death this would happen and stayed silent.
> >> Finally, after years of this abuse, I told my parents what was
> >> happening, and they filed a complaint with the State of Indiana.
> >> The State investigated and closed her down.
> >> Even to this day, I am still afraid of her, and what she can do
> >to
> >> me. She is a mean, hurtful person who should never have been
> >> allowed to be near children.
> >> Jack
> >Dear Jack:
> >I am sorry to hear about what happened to you. Can I post your
> >email to
> >Usenet if I do not display your email address?
> >Mark Probert
> Dear Mr. Probert:
> Yes, you can post this to Usenet, or send it to her ISP, or
> whatever else you want to do with it. Hushmail will protect my
> identity.
*You have now acknowledged receipt of a proper warning, as required
by
your ISP.*
> She is a very bad person, and I still have nightmares from what she
> did to me.
> Good luck, and I hope you find peace.
> Jack Reid
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
>
> read more »
It's a shame that Proby has the right to post here amongst civilized,
well-educated people, but there he goes.
Lucky for this group, we have Jan at the ready to expose this obvious
shill of Big Pharma.
More and more people are just saying NO to a "rush to judgment" of the
phony SPIN-drome known as ADD and ADHD.
The last thing a poor parent would do is force-feed a powerful drug
down their child's throat that will permanently destroy their little
brain, change their personality for the worse and turn them into
zombies.
WE will continue to publish the truth and point out the disinformation
specialists.
Thank you once again Jan. We are winning the war for the hearts and
minds of our people against Big Pharma!!
Jan Drew
Then, Mark S Probert posted
Snipo.
Becasue it proves he is indeed a liar.
Peter B
news:4c474216-4cf0-47d3...@x18g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
>
> - Show quoted text -
You might enjoy this post, made by me, sev eral years ago. Note the
email at the bottom. fArtie used to call himself Dr Richard Frager.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.alien/browse_thread/thread/eb5ebc9d30c96a82/723e098fb0ed6eb7?hl=en&q=fragerfaq
=================================================
Found out a large amount, he is not very stable and worked for a rehab
clinic as their computer tech.
Peter B
May no longer run a day care facility.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Proby is a sicko who has no place here with educated and civilized
people. I think he will finally get the message and leave for good.
That would be the correct thing to do!!
Peter B
Proby is a sicko who has no place here with educated and civilized
people. I think he will finally get the message and leave for good.
That would be the correct thing to do!!
================================================
So do you still photograph space aliens and little boys?
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
> messagenews:e9f46a7c-a2e5-4c81...@u8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> Proby is a sicko who has no place here with educated and civilized
> people. I think he will finally get the message and leave for good.
> That would be the correct thing to do!!
> ================================================
> So do you still photograph space aliens and little boys?
Peter B is part of the Big Pharma shills that post on this newsgroup.
Our pro-science side have discredited not only Peter "B" but his buddy-
in-arms Proby and the other 3-P Boyz!!
I am still deciding on whether to shut this group down or not. Their
constant disruptions of junk science and pseudoscience are totally
irresponsible. But we always counter their misrepresentations with
reliable and verifiable documentation. That really makes them upset,
but TOO BAD!!
We have definitively proven through peer review that ADD is a phony
made-up SPIN-drome. These results are conclusive and cannot and will
not be challenged.
Hopefully the likes of Peter "B" and his gang of troublemakers will
crawl back into their collective caves!! Good riddance to bad bad
rubbish!!
Sir Arthur
Peter B
Sir Arthur
===================================================
How many accounts have you already lost? What is one more?
BTW, your messages are unclear about this, has your wife already left
you? Seems those messages are from about 1 or 2 years ago.
Seems Google has stopped using your pictures, something about unseemly?
Mark Probert
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
snip
> Proby is a sicko who has no place here with educated and civilized
> people. I think he will finally get the message and leave for good.
Over your dead body (that is a suggestion).
> That would be the correct thing to do!!
You cannot handle me, because I have you pegged four sqaure. You are
one sick SOB.
Mark Probert
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> On Dec 27, 12:14 am, "Peter B" <origin...@frag.com> wrote:
>
> > "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
> > messagenews:e9f46a7c-a2e5-4c81...@u8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Proby is a sicko who has no place here with educated and civilized
> > people. I think he will finally get the message and leave for good.
> > That would be the correct thing to do!!
> > ================================================
> > So do you still photograph space aliens and little boys?
>
> Peter B is part of the Big Pharma shills that post on this newsgroup.
> Our pro-science side have discredited not only Peter "B" but his buddy-
> in-arms Proby and the other 3-P Boyz!!
>
> I am still deciding on whether to shut this group down or not.
What do you mean, dumbass, by "this group" as this is crossposted? Do
you ever think before typing?
Anyway, you are totally incapable of shutting anything down.
Their
> constant disruptions of junk science and pseudoscience are totally
> irresponsible.
You do not know a lick about science, PhoneyDoc.
But we always counter their misrepresentations with
> reliable and verifiable documentation.
If you ever did that, it would be a first.
That really makes them upset,
> but TOO BAD!!
>
> We have definitively proven through peer review that ADD is a phony
> made-up SPIN-drome. These results are conclusive and cannot and will
> not be challenged.
A statement which proves in more than one way you do not have a clue
about science.
> Hopefully the likes of Peter "B" and his gang of troublemakers will
> crawl back into their collective caves!! Good riddance to bad bad
> rubbish!!
You are da man when it comes to bad bad rubbish.
Bob Officer
Mark Probert <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Dec 27, 5:53�am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
><scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 27, 12:14�am, "Peter B" <origin...@frag.com> wrote:
>>
>> > "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
>> > messagenews:e9f46a7c-a2e5-4c81...@u8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Proby is a sicko who has no place here with educated and civilized
>> > people. �I think he will finally get the message and leave for good.
>> > That would be the correct thing to do!!
>> > ================================================
>> > So do you still photograph space aliens and little boys?
>>
>> Peter B is part of the Big Pharma shills that post on this newsgroup.
>> Our pro-science side have discredited not only Peter "B" but his buddy-
>> in-arms Proby and the other 3-P Boyz!!
>>
>> I am still deciding on whether to shut this group down or not. �
>
>What do you mean, dumbass, by "this group" as this is crossposted? Do
>you ever think before typing?
>
>Anyway, you are totally incapable of shutting anything down.
LOL. That has to be funny. Frager doesn't have the power to shut down
any group. The Bambies in Tree House doesn't control Usenet.
>Their
>> constant disruptions of junk science and pseudoscience are totally
>> irresponsible. �
>
>You do not know a lick about science, PhoneyDoc.
Frager discussing Science? Look out frager the contrails will appear
and the black Helicopters and mind control rays will locate you.
>>But we always counter their misrepresentations with
>> reliable and verifiable documentation.
>
>If you ever did that, it would be a first.
>
>�That really makes them upset,
>> but TOO BAD!!
>>
>> We have definitively proven through peer review that ADD is a phony
>> made-up SPIN-drome. �These results are conclusive and cannot and will
>> not be challenged.
>
>A statement which proves in more than one way you do not have a clue
>about science.
>
>> Hopefully the likes of Peter "B" and his gang of troublemakers will
>> crawl back into their collective caves!! �Good riddance to bad bad
>> rubbish!!
>
>You are da man when it comes to bad bad rubbish.
>
Killfile Frager... the only way to handle him.
--
Bob Officer
Posting the truth
http://www.skeptics.com.au
Mark Probert
He is funny, though. A real caricature of a troll.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
As usual, our side of real and honest science brings out the trolls
and Big Pharma debunkers!!
No matter how much these useful idiots huff and puff, the facts
remain: ADD is a phony made-up spin-drome, and no amount of personal
insults, which is really all their side has left, can change those
easily provable facts.
So we let the Officer's and the Proby's chime in with their utter
nonsense. They have never refuted the well documented articles
published by Linda, Ilena, Jan and myself, nor can they.
It's a shame to see how far down the gutter these zombies have
fallen. It is not surprising though, I did predict it would happen!!
So we will keep this group open, just to monitor the activities of
certain halfwits and cretins, like Proby and his cult!!
Sir Arthur!
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
Why are you still here? These groups are about health and health care,
something that apparently you know very little about. I strongly
recommend that you defer to the experts, like Linda, Ilena, Jan and
myself and go find something useful to do.
I won't stoop to your level of kooky accusations, I always try to keep
the conversation civilized, which is something you and Proby's cult
will never understand. Our side of real science researchers only
feels disgust with your kind.
Sir Arthur
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
I don't know which of your points to quibble with, since EVERY one is
demonstrably wrong.
The FACTS are that ADD does NOT exist, it never has and never will.
So keep up your insults if you want! They only add strength to our
logical and scientific proofs!
We are winning the hearts and minds of millions of converts to the
cause of unbiased and anti-Big Pharma health care.
One day in the hopefully near future when ADD/ADHD is discarded in the
trash-bin of history, we can remember with horror the bad old days
when children were force-fed, strong zombie-like drugs down their
throats. Our side of honest medical science will not rest until those
days are over!!!
Sir Arthur
Mark Probert
Once again, you fail to grasp the simple points.
> So keep up your insults if you want! They only add strength to our
> logical and scientific proofs!
What logical and scientific proofs? I have been reading your bilge for
over a decade and have yet to see any proof.
> We are winning the hearts and minds of millions of converts to the
> cause of unbiased and anti-Big Pharma health care.
>
> One day in the hopefully near future when ADD/ADHD is discarded in the
> trash-bin of history, we can remember with horror the bad old days
> when children were force-fed, strong zombie-like drugs down their
> throats.
No one becomes a zombie. I know you now feel very alone.
Our side of honest medical science will not rest until those
> days are over!!!
You bring a whole new depth of meaning to the phrase "full of one-
self".
>
> Sir Arthur-
Another alias. You have had so many.
Jan Drew
>
> - Show quoted text -
Mark S Probert posting under lumbercartel.com, and gmail.com.
> You would not know a fact if it were shove up your ass.
http://www.torah.org/learning/pirkei-avos/chapter1-6b.html
G-d's Justice System
When we judge others, we are setting our own personal justice
system.
If I am constantly finding fault and criticizing others, I send a
message to G-d. Shortcomings should be noticed and highlighted;
there's no room for mercy and tolerance. And G-d allows us to fashion
the very justice system with which He views us. If we see only the
bad
in others, we bring upon ourselves the very judgment we, in our
minds,
visit upon others daily.
http://www.yeshiva.org.il/midrash/shiur.asp?id=338
In the next portion of the midrash, the sages teach that it is
fitting
for people to speak in clean, appropriate language:"
The words of Hashem are pure'...In the Torah, God chose to write
eight
extra words in order to avoid using terminology which was not 100%
'clean. In the Book of Bereishit, for instance, Noach is told to
choose for the ark from among 'the pure cattle and from the cattle
that is not pure...' [- instead of referring to the latter group
using
the Hebrew term for ritually impure beasts, "Tameh." ] In
disqualifying the rabbit as a pure animal, the Torah does not say
that
the impurity derives from the fact that the rabbit does not have
split
hooves, [though this is true] but rather that the rabbit is impure
because it [only] chews its cud. (Vaykira 11)" The clear message of
the midrash: when unpleasant things are uttered, they must be
expressed in the cleanest, most honorable manner possible.
When we talk about being careful about speech, we're talking about
two
different issues. What to say, and how to say it.
First of all, it is important not to say things that need not be
said.
When something is in need of being said, it should be expressed using
clean, appropriate language. I've mentioned on several occasions that
Rav Tzvi Yehuda Kook (of blessed memory) was very cautious with his
words, always carefully weighing what he had to say before he said
it.
He would never say things in the negative, but would always couch his
ideas in positive terms.
Jan Drew
That would be Bob Officer who posts lies and spam.
Jan Drew
LOL!!! Just look who is posting.
Care to show us all your many alias's
Mark Probert
yes...M.a.r.k.P.r.o.b.e.r.t. and all the variations, MTreborp, just to
name two. Note that I am NOT Al-X, even though you may "think" so
(remember Ilena was wrong on Will Ketcher).
However, fArtie, Jerry, Richard F. X. Frager, etc. has NEVER, ever,
posted under his real name.
NEVER, EVER.
And, you tolerate that because he hates me.
That shows where your lack of morals lies.
Jan Drew
Yes, Mark S Probert you sure have, hypocrite.
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>> Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific
>> Standard
>> Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason why you
>> won't let me ask you a few questions, Jan? > I'm> really curious about
>> your involvement with Ilena Rosenthal.>>> But I guess my most basic
>> question is whether or not you are in California> (like I am), or over in
>> Indiana, like your profile says.>>> I had thought you were out west, but
>> I
>> guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious>
>> Mark Probert markprobert1...@hotmail.com AloysiousX
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c6a5eda8ad867da7
Yes, nitwit, these are all me: mark_prob...@hotmail.com
Mark_ProbertBLOC...@hotmail.com mtreborpNOmtS...@aol.com.invalid
mtreb...@aol.com markpr...@my-deja.com markpr...@aol.com
Mark.Prob...@p1.f101.n2619.z1.fidonet.org See how carefully I changed
my name over 15 years, including the pre-internet period. You are just
so clever to smoke me out. I am so impressed.
http://humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProberttheCowward
Jan Drew
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Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit,misc.health.alternative
Subject: Re: Should we close this newsgroup now that the MYTH of ADD
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Mark Probert
Wrong, Jan. Every one of my so-called aliases were variations on my
real name. I am NOT AloysiousX, even though Ilena, who honorably
acknowledged she was wrong about my being Will Ketcher, thought I was.
IIRC, even she expressed doubt about AloysiousX.
However, fArtie, Dr. Richard F.X. Frager, Sir Arthur, etc., etc. etc.
has NEVER EVER posted under his real name.
Yet, you remain silent about that, support him by copying his
messages, and attack me.
If anyone is a hypocrite, you can find that person in a mirror.
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> > Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT
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>
> >> Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific
> >> Standard
> >> Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason why you
> >> won't let me ask you a few questions, Jan? > I'm> really curious about
> >> your involvement with Ilena Rosenthal.>>> But I guess my most basic
> >> question is whether or not you are in California> (like I am), or over in
> >> Indiana, like your profile says.>>> I had thought you were out west, but
> >> I
> >> guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious>
> >> Mark Probert markprobert1...@hotmail.com AloysiousX
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/c6a5eda8ad...
> Yes, nitwit, these are all me: mark_prob...@hotmail.com
> Mark_ProbertBLOC...@hotmail.com mtreborpNOmtS...@aol.com.invalid
> mtreb...@aol.com markpr...@my-deja.com markpr...@aol.com
> Mark.Prob...@p1.f101.n2619.z1.fidonet.org See how carefully I changed
> my name over 15 years, including the pre-internet period. You are just
> so clever to smoke me out. I am so impressed.http://humanticsfoundation.com/DisinfoAgents.htm#ProberttheCowward- Hide quoted text -
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> > Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
> > Date: 06 Jan 2004 17:54:38 GMT
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> >> Subj: Is There Some Reason...> Date: 2/12/2004 2:18:07 PM Pacific
> >> Standard
> >> Time> From: AloysiousX> To: JDrew63929>>> Is there some reason why you
> >> won't let me ask you a few questions, Jan? > I'm> really curious about
> >> your involvement with Ilena Rosenthal.>>> But I guess my most basic
> >> question is whether or not you are in California> (like I am), or over in
> >> Indiana, like your profile says.>>> I had thought you were out west, but
> >> I
> >> guess not.>>> As Salaam Aleikum!>>> Aloysious>
> >> Mark Probert markprobert1...@hotmail.com AloysiousX
>
> Yes, nitwit, these are all me: mark_prob...@hotmail.com
> Mark_ProbertBLOC...@hotmail.com mtreborpNOmtS...@aol.com.invalid
> mtreb...@aol.com markpr...@my-deja.com markpr...@aol.com
> Mark.Prob...@p1.f101.n2619.z1.fidonet.org See how carefully I changed
> my name over 15 years, including the pre-internet period. You are just
Every one a variation on my real name. fArtie never used his.
You have a double standard.
Mark Probert
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Was there a point to this?
Just remember that fArtie is a Lutz.
Peter B
=============================================
What are they expert in? Escorting>
------------------------------------------------------------------------
I won't stoop to your level of kooky accusations, I always try to keep
the conversation civilized, which is something you and Proby's cult
will never understand. Our side of real science researchers only
feels disgust with your kind.
Sir Arthur
==================================================
You bent over to take kids pictures, no science was involved
Peter B
"Mark Probert" <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:f05357ab-180b-4348...@37g2000vbn.googlegroups.com...
NEVER, EVER.
============================================================
Actually Jerry has........
jkolnick@ pacifier.com
Walrus <jkol...@pcifier.com>
Or should I say he did use his name in his email addresses.
Had a bombed twitter attempt too,
Peter B
=============================================
Jerry Kolnick ignorantly posts his phone number and address on the web
as if it was his photo studio.
I wonder if the city of Vancouver knows he is conducting a business
there?
http://www.google.com/search?q=jerry+kolnick%2Bwashington&rls=com.microsoft:en-us&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&startIndex=&startPage=1
Peter B
"Mark Probert" <mark.p...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:cc67ed73-d992-4219...@h2g2000vbd.googlegroups.com...
========================================================
You might get a kick out of this as proof of his still current
kookiness.
"My name is Jerry Kolnick and I have been working in and out the
business from around 1975 when I started film school in Hollywood. I had
a great teacher by the name of John Alanzo ASC who handed me an Elcair
NPR and taught me how and why we do what we do. I enjoy working in all
genres and lighting situations.
I love all types of movies from the romantic to the occasional horror
flick. "
He went to school in LA for computer science.
You got to give him credit, he never gives up, but he keeps saying the
same things over and over and over.
Jan Drew
Liar, liar.
Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX)
Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:59:31 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:59 pm
Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
I have no children, Sistah Jan.
As Salaam Aleikum, my Sistah!
AloysiousX
Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX)
Date: 06 Jan 2004 22:31:39 GMT
Local: Tues, Jan 6 2004 6:31 pm
Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
You know something, Sistah Ilena, I'm not Mark Probert, but it's
pretty clear
who the coward is.
Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
From: aloysio...@aol.com (AloysiousX)
Date: 07 Jan 2004 18:57:50 GMT
Local: Wed, Jan 7 2004 2:57 pm
Subject: Re: A New Year's Resolution
Sistah Jan, I'd never heard of you until you made your post in the
breast
implant group, much in the same way I'd never heard of Mark Probert
until
Sistah Ilena mentioned him.
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Jan Drew
> You have a double standard.- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
Note Mark S Probert cross posted Andy's resulotion which was to
alt.support.breast-implant readers. Only
Jan Drew
> dumbass
Results 1 - 10 of about 1,780 for Mark Probert dumbass. (0.37
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Which proves you lied when you posted you read Torah everyday.
http://www.humanticsfoundation.com/propagandistprobert.html
Jan Drew
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> Was there a point to this?
Yes. Sorry you didn't get it.
Jan Drew
> ==================================================
> You bent over to take kids pictures
That's a claim, now prove it, troll
Jan Drew
> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
Posted a lie. Period.
Peter B
"Jan Drew" <jdrew...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Posted a lie. Period.
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I suspected he was lying, thanks for sharing the truth. Kolnick does
carry on so....
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
This is getting out of hand. Of course we ARE winning the hearts and
minds of million of Americans and that is simply wonderful. It is way
beyond time that the drug pushers exit stage left.
The only reason that your cult refuses to even discuss the amazing
material that Linda, Jan, Ilena and myself post is that you can't,
thus you don't or won't!
We have saved so many people from the fate of brain damage due to
strong zombie-like medication. And we will not rest until this phony
made-up spin-drome sinks like the Titanic, never to be steered again
into the sunset of death and destruction!!
Sir Arthur!
Mark Probert
> "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>
> jkoln...@mindspring.com
>
> jkoln...@earthlink.net
>
> Walrus <jkoln...@pcifier.com>
>
> jkoln...@spiritone.com
I was not aware of those. Thanks.
>
> Or should I say he did use his name in his email addresses.
> Had a bombed twitter attempt too,- Hide quoted text -
Mark Probert
PROVE that I am this person. You claim I am, but, there is NO proof,
and there cannot be any, since I am not this person. I do not mock
dialects, etc.
Mark Probert
I surely did. I was spreading peace like Jesus would. There was no
prohibition against crossposting, and, even if there was, Blessed are
the Peacemakers, as they are Holy.
Unlike you.
Mark Probert
> On Dec 27, 9:27 pm, Mark Probert <mark.prob...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > dumbass
>
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> Which proves you lied when you posted you read Torah everyday.
Tikkun Olam
January 2, 2010 is fast approaching. There are dark storm clouds on
your horizon.
Mark Probert
Wrong. I could not find it. No one can.
Mark Probert
January 2, 2010 is fast approaching. There are ominous dark storm
clouds on your horizon.
Jan Drew
>
> - Show quoted text -
Already did.
http://groups.google.com/group/misc.health.alternative/msg/e5c7841a6f84393c
Newsgroups: alt.support.attn-deficit, misc.health.alternative
From: Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com>
Date: Mon, 28 Dec 2009 21:22:59 -0800 (PST)
Local: Tues, Dec 29 2009 12:22 am
Subject: Re: Should we close this newsgroup now that the MYTH of ADD
has been exposed.
Newsgroups: alt.support.breast-implant
Mark Probert
No you did not, you idiot. NOTHING you posted proves I am that
person.
January 2, 2010 is fast approaching. There are dark, foreboding storm
clouds on your horizon.
Jan Drew
lol. Poor Mark S Probert posts a personal attack again.
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For starters.
Now, tell us how holy you are......................
Jan Drew
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Jan Drew
> On Dec 29, 12:49�am, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 28, 11:58 pm, "Peter B" <origin...@frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
>
> > Posted a lie. �Period.
>
> January 2, 2010 is fast approaching
So?
. There are ominous dark storm
> clouds on your horizon.
Noone knows that except God and Jesus Christ his son,
Mark Probert
YOU proved it by pointing out how I was trying to spread peace.
You spread cleanse by-product.
Mark Probert
What does my ISP have to do with anything?
Mark Probert
Noone?
I know what is in that dark, ominous cloud.
Peter B
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According to your figures he is 4 times as holy when compared with your
stats using the exact same words.
Peter B
So?
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Foolish woman, we are to know the weather, we are to recognize impending
dangers.
Have you ever studied God's word?
Peter Bowditch
Well, that address in Sydney is in the very exclusive and expensive
suburb of Vaucluse, and the eastern suburbs have a significant Jewish
population. Maybe Jan is trying to make some very subtle suggestion.
Or maybe not.
--
Peter Bowditch aa #2243
The Millenium Project http://www.ratbags.com/rsoles
Australian Council Against Health Fraud http://www.acahf.org.au
To email me use my first name only at ratbags.com
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
> "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
> On Dec 27, 3:45 pm, "Peter B" <origin...@frag.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
> > On Dec 27, 12:14 am, "Peter B" <origin...@frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <scie...@zzz.com> wrote in
> > > messagenews:e9f46a7c-a2e5-4c81...@u8g2000prd.googlegroups.com...
>
> > > Proby is a sicko who has no place here with educated and civilized
> > > people. I think he will finally get the message and leave for good.
> > > That would be the correct thing to do!!
> > > ================================================
> > > So do you still photograph space aliens and little boys?
>
> > Peter B is part of the Big Pharma shills that post on this newsgroup.
> > Our pro-science side have discredited not only Peter "B" but his
> > buddy-
> > in-arms Proby and the other 3-P Boyz!!
>
> > constant disruptions of junk science and pseudoscience are totally
> > reliable and verifiable documentation. That really makes them upset,
> > but TOO BAD!!
>
> > We have definitively proven through peer review that ADD is a phony
> > made-up SPIN-drome. These results are conclusive and cannot and will
> > not be challenged.
>
> > crawl back into their collective caves!! Good riddance to bad bad
> > rubbish!!
>
> > ===================================================
> > How many accounts have you already lost? What is one more?
>
> > BTW, your messages are unclear about this, has your wife already left
> > you? Seems those messages are from about 1 or 2 years ago.
>
> > Seems Google has stopped using your pictures, something about
> > unseemly?
>
> Why are you still here? These groups are about health and health care,
> something that apparently you know very little about. I strongly
> recommend that you defer to the experts, like Linda, Ilena, Jan and
> myself and go find something useful to do.
> =============================================
> What are they expert in? Escorting>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> I won't stoop to your level of kooky accusations, I always try to keep
> the conversation civilized, which is something you and Proby's cult
> will never understand. Our side of real science researchers only
> feels disgust with your kind.
>
> Sir Arthur
> ==================================================
> You bent over to take kids pictures, no science was involved
For heaven sakes, what are YOU talking about? Although it should not
surprise me that you and your cult may be into child porn. This would
coincide with your cults stance of drugging innocent children.
Over the many years, we have stopped many unsuspecting parents here
from destroying their child's brain by doping them into zombie-land.
Our struggles have paid off and we have won many hard-fought battles
against corruption, and the dis-info crowd!
I see Proby has called out the troops, at least what is left of them.
We are really seeing the bottom of the barrel with Peter B!
For some reason though you constantly change the subject from that of
honest medical science to child pornography, and internet accounts.
This is obviously is done to try and confuse the public. Although
they will not be fooled anymore!
Our stated goal this year is to make sure no more children are
misdiagnosed with ADD, or even diagnosed with that phony made-up spin-
drome!!
So if you have to keep posting your child porn, internet service
providers or other nonsense, there isn't much we can or want to do
about that. Our mission has remained on focus and on target: ADD/
ADHD are phony made-up spindromes promoted by spsychiatrists and the
Big Pharma shills.
We see the goal line and we plan to stop all parents from drugging
their children to death. Your cult of course approves of massive
drugging and the proof is of course your nonsense posts.
2010 promises to be a victorious year for Linda, Jan, Ilena and
myself. We will take back this newsgroup from the pro-drug cult
members and their hench-men!!
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
Although that is true about everything Proby posts. Apparently he is
totally delusional at this stage of his life. Let us support his
efforts to commit himself once again into a fully accredited mental
health clinic. I am sure it won't save him, but it may stabilize his
delusions. When he got out last time, he acted like a human being.
That didn't last though, about a half a week and he was back to his
old self.
Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A.
<trigonometry1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 30, 12:03 am, "Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A."
> No meeting of the minds with only time (death from old age) ,
> the collapse of the Usenet or the Great Day of the Almighty
> offering a way out. Perhaps all wiil come to a cosmic
> end if the argument stops?
>
> Now you've got me sounding like a man of 19th century lamenting
> the intractable (one that I
> knew)............................................Trig
Of course there will never be a meeting, because our pro-humanitarian
side base all of our findings on unbiased scientific facts. We make
an airtight case and have never been proven wrong.
That leaves their anti-human side to make outrageous ad hominem
attacks. It is so sad to see now they are into "kiddie porn" which is
so over the top as to warrant concern. That fits into the
psychopathic behavior.
One real Patriot has discovered that their side is made up of a
disbarred lawyer, a woman harasser, deviants of every stripe and your
basic pro-med big Pharma shills.
This is why we have a moral obligation to bring out the facts
regarding phony spin-dromes. We must never again allow massive
drugging of our nations children. Their ultimate goal is the
annihilation of our nations youth and we can't allow that to continue.
We are winning the hearts and minds of this great countries peoples,
but we cannot rest on our laurels, there is much more work to be
done. They are using desperate measures since they know their pro-med
side is losing. Expect them to use more kiddie porn and other
perverted tactics. That is the key part of the repertoire. You may
want to google MK Ultra Project Monarch mind control, that is the key
part of their cult. You can now see why they act the way they do.
Mark Probert
Once again, saying something that proves you are a moron.
This would
> coincide with your cults stance of drugging innocent children.
Once again, saying something that proves you are a moron.
> Over the many years, we have stopped many unsuspecting parents here
> from destroying their child's brain by doping them into zombie-land.
Only you know about zombie-land.
> Our struggles have paid off and we have won many hard-fought battles
> against corruption, and the dis-info crowd!
You beat yourself?
> I see Proby has called out the troops, at least what is left of them.
> We are really seeing the bottom of the barrel with Peter B!
You would not know the bottom of the barrel. You only know what is
UNDER the outside of the bottom of the barrel.
> For some reason though you constantly change the subject from that of
> honest medical science to child pornography,
That is precisely what you have done. It seems you are hung up on
abusing children, denying them proper treatment, and having incest
with moles.
and internet accounts.
> This is obviously is done to try and confuse the public. Although
> they will not be fooled anymore!
Yes, you have not fooled anyone. Even Jan is smart enough to see
through you.
> Our stated goal this year is to make sure no more children are
> misdiagnosed with ADD, or even diagnosed with that phony made-up spin-
> drome!!
The only thing made up is your plethora of pseudonyms.
> So if you have to keep posting your child porn, internet service
> providers or other nonsense, there isn't much we can or want to do
> about that.
Well, you could stop bringing up your child porn fantasies.
Our mission has remained on focus and on target: ADD/
> ADHD are phony made-up spindromes promoted by spsychiatrists and the
> Big Pharma shills.
That would be psychiatrists, and they are much smarter than you. You
should see one, or, preferably a neurosurgeon for a cephalotomy.
OOOOPS! I forgot, you already had one.
> We see the goal line and we plan to stop all parents from drugging
> their children to death. Your cult of course approves of massive
> drugging and the proof is of course your nonsense posts.
I approve of proper treatment, unlike scum like you who would deny
that.
> 2010 promises to be a victorious year for Linda, Jan, Ilena and
> myself. We will take back this newsgroup from the pro-drug cult
> members and their hench-men!!
That did not work in 1996, 1997, 1998, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002, 2003,
2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, 2008 or 2009. What makes you "think" (for want
of a better word) that it will happen in 2010? Just go crawl under
your rock.
Mark Probert
<scie...@zzz.com> wrote:
> On Dec 28, 9:49 pm, Jan Drew <jdrew63...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 28, 11:58 pm, "Peter B" <origin...@frag.com> wrote:
>
> > > "Mark Probert" <mark.prob...@gmail.com>
>
> > Posted a lie. Period.
>
> Although that is true about everything Proby posts.
I have posted your well documented history. Should I do that again?
Apparently he is
> totally delusional at this stage of his life.
Self referential?
Let us support his
> efforts to commit himself once again into a fully accredited mental
> health clinic.
One near Portland? Which one do you recommend? Please do not mention
the last one that let you out. Obviously, it was premature.
I am sure it won't save him, but it may stabilize his
> delusions. When he got out last time, he acted like a human being.
You would not know what that feels like.
Mark Probert
YOU have nothing to worry about. You need a mind to be controlled.
that is the key
> part of their cult. You can now see why they act the way they do.- Hide quoted text -
Peter B
"Sir Arthur C.B.E. Wholeflaffers A.S.A." <sci...@zzz.com> wrote in
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When what you do is a felony to "support" your position then it does
become part of the picture.
You never apologized, admitted any wrong doing, just covered it up.
Jan (BTW, did you know that Jan is a Jewish name? A form that she
chooses to use over Janet) anyhow she supports your felonious endeavors,
your Nazism's and use of socks. She planted herself firmly on the side
of lawbreakers.