Criminally insanity: Manic prescribing of antidepressants to infants
indomitable2
Turner: Why are babies doped on antidepressants?
Monday, 10 September 2007, 9:58 am
Monday, 10 September 2007
Turner: Why are babies doped on antidepressants?
UnitedFuture deputy leader Judy Turner, today deplored shocking statistics
on the level of antidepressants prescribed to children.
"I am horrified to discover that we have prescribed very high levels of
antidepressants to Kiwi kids.
"In the three financial years, 2004 to 2007 (the 2007 figures are subject to
change) over 10,000 scripts for antidepressants were written:
0-1 years 1650 2-5 years 4626 6-9 years 4269
"I have no idea why in the year 2004/05, 453 babies under 1 year old were
prescribed antidepressants. How can so many infants be clinically depressed?
"The ramifications of these figures are frightening: babies are born with
only 15% of their brain fully-developed. Eightyfive percent of development
happens from 0-3 years.
"Surely, the antidepressants will interfere with the hardwiring of the
children's brains and influence their long-term well-being.
"It seems unlikely that these children would need the prescription for a
short period. More likely, they will require antidepressants for the rest of
their childhood, perhaps into adulthood.
"The one good thing about these figures is that the amount prescribed in the
0-1 age group is declining. Nonetheless, all parents should ask why such
high levels of antidepressants are being prescribed," she said.
Data from Written Parliamentary Question 15003 (2007)
Antidepressant scripts by | | | financial year | |
| ----------------------------+----------+---------+--------- Patient age in
years at | 2004/05| 2005/06| 2006/07 dispensing | |
| ----------------------------+----------+---------+--------- 0 | 453| 41|
9 ----------------------------+----------+---------+--------- 1 | 768| 355|
24 ----------------------------+----------+---------+--------- 2 | 547| 598|
263 ----------------------------+----------+---------+--------- 3 | 464|
384| 356 ----------------------------+----------+---------+--------- 4 |
402| 339| 284 ----------------------------+----------+---------+--------- 5
| 385| 311| 293 ----------------------------+----------+---------+---------
6 | 420| 319|
232 ----------------------------+----------+---------+--------- 7 | 356|
305| 265 ----------------------------+----------+---------+--------- 8 |
434| 347| 285 ----------------------------+----------+---------+--------- 9
| 499| 393| 414 ----------------------------+----------+---------+---------
Total | 4,728| 3392| 2425
Notes: Data for 2006/07 has been revised since the answer to written
question 14100 (2007) was compiled as additional pharmacy claims have been
processed. Data is subject to further revision.
Data represents prescriptions dispensed, not prescriptions written.
Medical reason information is not collected.
'Age at Dispensing' is rounded to the nearest year.
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anti-depressants?
Anti-depressants should be outlawed for everyone as they are the worst med
the pharmaceuticals have come up with.
They transfer harm to an innocent person in the form of crohns disease and
Ulcerative colitis to an innocent friend or relative of the anti-depressant
user. They are the legal form in the side effects aspect as marijuana,
cocaine, etc. They kill millions of innocent people simply by
transference. And distance plays no part, they can be miles and miles
apart, still the damage continues. Only the mind and stimulant is
necessary for the devastation that is so weird and subtle, it cannot be
comprehended by reason. The boy that drops dead on the athletic court
without a history of cardiac problems, the residents of nursing homes that
are in the environment of anti-depressants of others taking them, develop
crohns symptoms and are not recognized as such, but assumed to be the
natural progression of their illnes, and die prematurely, the child with
inflammatory bowel disease whose mother or father or someone close is on an
anti-depressant, and the list goes on.
You can believe it even if it boggles the mind. The pharmaceuticals are
sending us into a society where most are ill with sickness at a rate
unheard of. and the physicians will not listen. apparently the
anti-depressants are a sacred med and will solve almost everything. The
truth is they are causing unnecessary illnesses. The FDA is in some sort
of denial. Ordinary friendships can cause extreme suffering. Stimulants
are not meant for use, as the side effects reveal. Most think they are
wonderful, well, even marijuana or cocaine users think those drugs should be
legal as they help in the pain of some illnesses..
Anti-depressants are a deadly weapon and MUST be banned. Any sane doctor
would recognize that the symptoms of the residents suffering from crohns do
not come from the body, they come from the environment. They are a matter
for the law just as marijuana, etc. if only the FDA would get wise how the
side effects kill by mind/body connection.
Never has their been an illness more clear and yet more complex than crohns
which the stimulants cause, not to mention, there has never been an more
unfair illness in its hidden harm. All it would take is exceedingly good
observance.
Gail Michael
Sorry, but Tom Cruise is right, although he does not know why.
Perhaps we should start a movement exposing the enormity of the damage done
by stimulants. Our society has gone mad and look for more madness.
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comments. It is from a ton of experience no one else should go through.
Gail>
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indomitable2
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> Read my theory on crohns and colitis on website "DoctorBrains.org" under
> comments. It is from a ton of experience no one else should go through.
Do you happen to know if low dose naltrexone is helpful, rather then
harmful?
http://www.lowdosenaltrexone.org/
Inflammation has caused the functioning of many of my vital organs to become
impaired following seven YEARS of my being forced to live in fear for the
lives of myself and my loved ones as a consequence of my being amongst the
US civilians being subjected to the virtual program of systematic torture
being executed by a group of the worse of the world's worse criminals which
US psychologists assembled to silence whistleblowers and the critics of
psychology.
Mark Probert
Frank
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GEE! I seemed to have missed that perk ^^^^^^^^^^^, Oh well, shrugs.
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Searching for a clue? to what?
As far as crohns is concerned, I know the cause although you think
differently.
This has become a cause for me, as a dear friend is in a nursing home, and
is in terrible shape and she did not go in as an ill person. She is
schizophrenic but smart.
I am at odds with the administrator. I want her to remove all
anti-depressants, and of course, it is a lost cause. One nurse told me the
pharms pay them to use anti-depressants. I do not know if that is true
however. Could say a ton more, but who wants to hear it.
Gail
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> >> Read my theory on crohns and colitis on website "DoctorBrains.org"
> >> under comments. It is from a ton of experience no one else should
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> > Inflammation has caused the functioning of many of my vital organs to
> > become impaired following seven YEARS of my being forced to live in
> > fear for the lives of myself and my loved ones as a consequence of my
> > being amongst the US civilians being subjected to the virtual program
> > of systematic torture being executed by a group of the worse of the
> > world's worse criminals which US psychologists assembled to silence
> > whistleblowers and the critics of psychology.
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Interesting contribution!
Mark Probert
> Hi Mark,
> Searching for a clue? to what?
> As far as crohns is concerned, I know the cause although you think
> differently.
I *KNOW* you do not know the cause.
> This has become a cause for me, as a dear friend is in a nursing home, and
> is in terrible shape and she did not go in as an ill person. She is
> schizophrenic but smart.
Schizophrenia is an illness.
> I am at odds with the administrator. I want her to remove all
> anti-depressants, and of course, it is a lost cause. One nurse told me the
> pharms pay them to use anti-depressants.
Got real proof? I doubt it.
I do not know if that is true
> however. Could say a ton more, but who wants to hear it.
I would rather hear verifiable facts.
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talk publicly about a private matter the person obviously does not wish to
disclose. A world figure was ill and I sent all my writings to the
person (I have the post office receipt to prove it) and within two weeks
was back on his/her feet and functioning normally. I have said too much
already, you may be smart, but this situation is one that is hard to come by
for a person who makes a quick judgment and is unable to look further for
one reason or another.news:XdvFi.5946$qV3.4703@trndny02...
marcia
<kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Hi Mark,
> Searching for a clue? to what?
> As far as crohns is concerned, I know the cause although you think
> differently.
I have been taking anti-depressants for almost ten years without any
bowel or other longterm health problems. OTOH, I have a friend who has
never taken anti-depressants who developed Crohn's in his late 20s.
Since his doctors don't know the reason for this, how could you? If
these meds were taken off the market, it would severely and negatively
impact those of us who need them for mental disorders.
> This has become a cause for me, as a dear friend is in a nursing home, and
> is in terrible shape and she did not go in as an ill person. She is
> schizophrenic but smart.
> I am at odds with the administrator. I want her to remove all
> anti-depressants, and of course, it is a lost cause.
One can be mentally ill and intelligent, too. You don't need to
qualify the statement as if her intelligence is an *exception* to the
rule.
I'm glad the administrator isn't listening to you. As a friend, you
have no legal standing, nor do you have the medical expertise, to
participate in her treatment. Schizophrenia is a brain *disease*,
meaning it changes the structure and function of the brain, and needs
to be managed with medication.
One nurse told me the
> pharms pay them to use anti-depressants. I do not know if that is true
> however. Could say a ton more, but who wants to hear it.
> Gail"Mark Probert" <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote in message
I'm with Mark on this one. Back up your statement with facts.
indomitable2
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>> To "indomitable 2"
> I had to reply to the group as my computer does not reply to individuals
> easily and I am not computer smart.
> I am not familiar with the drug Naltrexone as I could not access your
> reference, but I looked it up in the Physicians Desk Reference book (PDR)
> and I gather it has to do with alcohol dependence.
Yes, in large doses.
However, I was asking if you knew about the use of low dose naltrexone.
When I refer to harm
> from Crohns Disease or Ulcerative Colitis, the harm never comes from
> alcohol use. The harm is only from stimulants like anti-depressants,
> Xanax, etc. or marijuana, cocaine, etc. However inflammation of the
> organs may have come about from crohns.
Not in my case.
In my case, it's a direct consequence of the politicized FBI unwillingness
to arrest, prosecute and imprison the individual members of the group of
cybercriminals who psychologists assembled to carryout a virtual program of
systematic torture intended to murder me by forcing me to live in fear for
the lives of myself and my loved ones for the past seven years.
That could be only if the people you speak of
> were using stimulants and you knew them and had a mind connection with
> them.
I suspect what you are referring to as a "mind connection" is what
psychologists call "projective identification".
"Projective identification occurs when persecutive internal objects, often
part-self objects, are projected into the external object as though, on a
fantasy level, these projected parts are imagined as taking possession and
controlling the external object. The identificatory dimension of the process
is theorized by Klein as resulting from the relationship that is maintained
between self and external object in the intraspychic on a fantasy level.
Klein first begins the study of these identification phenomena from the
viewpoint of their anal and sadistic dimensions, pointing out the confusing
effects this mechanism has on the subject"
Casoni, D.Ps, Louis Brunet, D.Ps.
http://www.sicap.it/~merciai/bion/papers/cason.htm
"Projective identification is a phantasy of projecting the whole, or a part
of, oneself into another object, taking possession of it, and attributing to
the object one's own characteristics. The motives for projective
identification are varied, like the wish to possess an ideal object and fuse
with it; or getting into the bad object to attack or take over its assumed
power; and many others; in particular it abolishes separateness."
http://www.songsouponsea.com/Promenade/Court2A2.html
In as much as stimulants and stimulating antidepressants numb feelings,
especially empathy, neither stimulant nor antidepressant users have any
conscience ; therefore, stimulant and antidepressant users are amongst
those who are most likely to engage in the ambient abuse requisite to
getting under other peoples skin.
> They do not have to be criminals. These are ordinary people I speak of,
> but they are on a stimulant.
Ordinary people don't usually take stimulants or stimulating
antidepressants.
People who do take stimulants or stimulating antidepressants are no longer
ordinary people because the stimulants and/or stimulating antidepressants
numb their ability to feel and the inability to feel shame, remorse,
guilt, empathy is requise to having a conscience ERGO stimulant and
antidepressant junkies are drug induced psychopaths.
> It is the combination of knowing and being mind connected (sometimes
> only being observed will form a mind connection) and the person using a
> stimulant that will cause the damage. I cannot say whether this was the
> case with you.
As it happens, yes, the worse of the worse criminals whom psychologists
assembled to execute a virtual program of systematic torture intended to
murder me are stimulant and/or antidepressant junkies.
> It is just a curious situation that stimulants do transfer harm. Dr.
> Burrill Crohn researched this in 1932, never found the reason for Regional
> Ileitis, as it was called then. Dr. Crohn did conclude it was of
> environmental origin. And the illness has his name since it was noticed
> that the harm attacked any part of the body, not only the digestive
> system, colon, eyes, hearing, legs etc.
> If you know anyone on any stimulant, and they will not cease using it, you
> must sever all relationship with that person(s) and when you do not think
> of them (that's important), if that is what is causing your inflammation,
> it should go back to normal.
I agree.
Unfortunately, the US DOJ is unwilling to arrest, prosecute and imprison
the murderers whom psychologists assembled to execute a virtual program of
virtual torture to murder myself and innocent others.
> I have crohns, lost most of my hearing, a little eyesight, that does not
> come back, but inflammation should be reversible. It is really a weird
> illness, and an individual thing, so it is hard to say what is happening.
How is Crohns diagnosed? Is there a test?
>What does the doctor attribute the inflammation to?
Many years of extraordinary distress
> I take a lot of flak on my theory, but Years of observation have told me
> it is correct.
you're theory is sound.
You just need to polish it up some by learning more about the "projective
identification" which stimulant and AD junkies are highly likely to engage
in as a result of their drugging leaving them without a conscience.
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not saya the user of anti-depressants is harmed by them. That would sound
reasonable, but is not true far as I know.
What I said, anti-depressants are harmful to another person by transference
of mind/body connection in spite of distance.
Whether you hurt another with your use of anti-depressants no one can know
unless familiar with the entire situation. Not everyone is vulnerable.
Some go their own way sufficiently not to be harmed by someone's use of
anti-depressants. They help one too, but knowing what I know, would never
use them. They are mind altering drugs same as marijuana, cocaine, etc.
You are glad the administrator is not listening to me. No, I am not a
doctor. but this is not a medical cause, it is more like a disastrous
allergy, perhaps. I see the people suffer needlessly and if they were
removed from the home, the illness would be gone. All of a sudden, since
they were made in the last 50 years, everyone is depressed. What did they
do before, Doctors had to talk to bring the person to a good level of
living. It is the pharms biggest selling drug, apparently everyone likes to
be spiked up. (me too)
I am not saying take away Insulin, high blood pressure med or similar meds,
but anti-depressants are elective and as far as I can understand they are
like marijuana and cocaine in their side effects and not meant to be. The
side effects were never known for marijuana or cocaine, until I observed
them now and they are obvious to some that can relate.
Everyone that takes anti-depressants defends them, but then many defend
marijuana also.
Scizophrenia is managed not by anti-depressants, but by anti-psychotic
drugs. That is different, but I will say they overmedicate on that.
Doctors don't know everything and in this case, neither do the
pharmaceuticals. Doctors are affected by crohns also and so will the
families and friends of pharms will be too in time if this continues.
Gail Michael
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I do not understand all of your post, especially about the political
situation.
Crohns is not a conscious meaning to harm anyone. No one knows what is
taking place.and I do not know what projective identification means. But
I am glad you understand that it is an illness where stress is damning.
(after crohns develops) and it is true, most people defend
anti-depressants and do not care even if they knew they harm others.
They like the high, and that is mind altering. whereas the former use of
tranquillizers only calmed the mind.
As far as diagnosis is concerned, there are colonoscopies, and surgery will
usually reveal crohns. It is hard to diagnose otherwise, but some
physicians do very well. That is why it goes unnoticed as it is not a
conventional illness with revealing consistent symptoms like cancer, AIDS,
etc, G-d forbid.
I had inflammation but relaxing and the use of Valium (when I can get it, it
is a controlled substance) reduced the inflammation.
I can only say, stay away from anti-depressant takers and of course, the
hard drugs too. Only problem is SO MANY take anti-depressants and will
not always say. One woman I asked said "when you put up a shingle, I will
tell you" Of course I distanced myself from her mostly, but last I heard
from her, her mother was in a nursing home, and when she visited her, her
mother screamed and screamed. Ant-depressants can be felt or sensed. Her
mother died a few days later. (she was old, but who knows. I am very
crohns conscious)
Enough words, I am looking for action, wear myself out with signs and other
meansures that do not do good where they should.
Gail
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marcia
<kureforcro...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Marcia, I will reply to you as yours is a common misunderstanding. I did
> not saya the user of anti-depressants is harmed by them. That would sound
> reasonable, but is not true far as I know.
> What I said, anti-depressants are harmful to another person by transference
> of mind/body connection in spite of distance.
<boggle> If I understand you correctly, you're saying people who
*don't* take anti-depressants are somehow harmed through the... "mind/
body connection" with those who do. In other words, you believe your
health may be damaged by non-physical contact with people like me,
even over great distances?
How did you arrive at this conclusion? Why does this seem reasonable
to you?
> Whether you hurt another with your use of anti-depressants no one can know
> unless familiar with the entire situation. Not everyone is vulnerable.
> Some go their own way sufficiently not to be harmed by someone's use of
> anti-depressants. They help one too, but knowing what I know, would never
> use them. They are mind altering drugs same as marijuana, cocaine, etc.
They don't distort perception in the way marijuana and cocaine do.
> You are glad the administrator is not listening to me. No, I am not a
> doctor. but this is not a medical cause, it is more like a disastrous
> allergy, perhaps. I see the people suffer needlessly and if they were
> removed from the home, the illness would be gone. All of a sudden, since
> they were made in the last 50 years, everyone is depressed. What did they
> do before,
A lot has changed in the last 50 years besides the introduction of
antidepressants. Have you considered there may be *other* social and
environmental pressures underlying the increase of depression in the
general population?
> Doctors had to talk to bring the person to a good level of
> living. It is the pharms biggest selling drug, apparently everyone likes to
> be spiked up. (me too)
It is a misconception that antidepressants somehow cause people to
become "spiked up." There may be a stimulant side-effect from *some*
types of antidepressants while the brain is adjusting to the
medication, but this is short-lived. Some people, additionally, may
develop mania in response to antidepressants that are unopposed by a
mood stabilizer, but only because these people have bipolar disorder
(rather than unipolar depression), which needs to be treated with
additional medications. For most people, in the long run, there is no
primary stimulant effect (no spiking up). It's not like cocaine in
that respect.
> I am not saying take away Insulin, high blood pressure med or similar meds,
> but anti-depressants are elective and as far as I can understand they are
> like marijuana and cocaine in their side effects and not meant to be. The
> side effects were never known for marijuana or cocaine, until I observed
> them now and they are obvious to some that can relate.
The side-effects of marijuana and cocaine are well known, and not at
all analogous to the effects of antidepressants. All medication is
"elective." You either choose to take it, or you experience the
consequences of the underlying disease. In this way, treating
depression is no different from treating diabetes. If I didn't take
antidepressants, I would be depressed a good bit of the time (and most
of them are not stimulants, btw)--by taking this medication, I am able
to function normally, like many people who aren't afflicted with
mental illness.
> Everyone that takes anti-depressants defends them, but then many defend
> marijuana also.
Have you ever considered that people defend the use of antidepressants
because--for many--they effectively treat the condition for which
they're prescribed?
> Scizophrenia is managed not by anti-depressants, but by anti-psychotic
> drugs. That is different, but I will say they overmedicate on that.
Yes, schizophrenia is primarily treated with anti-psychotics (many of
which also have antidepressant properties), but some people have
depression in addition to schizophrenia or have negative signs of
schizophrenia (flat affect, anergia, etc.) that can be significantly
improved by the use of these meds.
> Doctors don't know everything and in this case, neither do the
> pharmaceuticals. Doctors are affected by crohns also and so will the
> families and friends of pharms will be too in time if this continues.
> Gail Michael
I don't understand how you reached the conclusion that there's any
connection between Crohn's disease and contact with people on anti-
depressants when there's no scientific evidence to support your
theory. How do you think people developed Crohn's disease *before* the
1950's or 60's, when antidepressants were first formulated?
indomitable2
> I do not understand all of your post, especially about the political
> situation.
For over a decade, unethical psychologists assembled groups of everchanging
cybercriminals, most of whom are stimulant and AD junkies, to carryout a
virtual program of systematic torture devised by unethical psychologists to
MURDER whistleblowers and critics of psychology via forcing whistleblowers
and critics of psychology to live in fear for the lives of themselves and
their children--in order to occaison fatal physiological damage.
For over a decade, both the politicized US DOJ and FBI have been unwilling
to arrest, prosecute and imprison any of these cybergangs of murdering
serial cyberstalkers.
> Crohns is not a conscious meaning to harm anyone. No one knows what is
> taking place.
If you don't know what is taking place, then you can't assert that people
who are without conscience owing to their choosing to use stimulants or
stimulating antidepressants aren't intentionally engaging in the ambient
abuse necessary to occaision such a high degree of distress it occaisions
physiological damage of targeted individuals vital organs, causing death,
aka MURDER.
> and I do not know what projective identification means. But I am glad
> you understand that it is an illness where stress is damning. (after
> crohns develops) and it is true, most people defend anti-depressants and
> do not care even if they knew they harm others.
> They like the high, and that is mind altering. whereas the former use
> of tranquillizers only calmed the mind.
My personal experiences with die hard stimulant and stimulanting AD users
has caused me to conclude they seeking a cocktail of drugs is to commit
suicide in a socially acceptable manner---whilst, simultaneously engaging
in destructive behaviors to see how many innocent people they can take down
...before they go.
> As far as diagnosis is concerned, there are colonoscopies, and surgery
> will usually reveal crohns. It is hard to diagnose otherwise, but some
> physicians do very well. That is why it goes unnoticed as it is not a
> conventional illness with revealing consistent symptoms like cancer, AIDS,
> etc, G-d forbid.
Thanks.
> I had inflammation but relaxing and the use of Valium (when I can get it,
> it is a controlled substance) reduced the inflammation.
I don't tolerate any kind of drug well.
> I can only say, stay away from anti-depressant takers and of course, the
> hard drugs too. Only problem is SO MANY take anti-depressants and will
> not always say. One woman I asked said "when you put up a shingle, I will
> tell you" Of course I distanced myself from her mostly, but last I heard
> from her, her mother was in a nursing home, and when she visited her, her
> mother screamed and screamed. Ant-depressants can be felt or sensed.
You're probably right.
Her
> mother died a few days later. (she was old, but who knows. I am very
> crohns conscious)
> Enough words, I am looking for action, wear myself out with signs and
> other meansures that do not do good where they should.
Thanks for info.
Linda
marcia
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How nice of you to manipulate this woman by incorporating her fears
into your little conspiracy theory. If there were any murderers on
here who wanted you dead, you'd already be dead. Therefore, none of us
are murderers, none of us want to drive you insane (too late), and few
of us ever respond to your posts (despite knowing you read every one
of ours) because you are a crazy, manipulative old woman.
Marcia
in article 13ee1pr...@corp.supernews.com, indomitable2 at
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>> Scizophrenia is managed .... by anti-psychotic drugs.
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> False.
>
> It's only nations with narcissitic cultures which let criminally insane
> narcissists/ psychopaths to retain their liberty so the criminally insane
> narcissists/psychopaths are free to engage in the ambient abuse which
> induces what psychiatry calls "schizophrenia", which let's criminally
> insane medico's finish off what the lay narcissists/psychopaths began by the
> medico's prescribing victims of ambient abuse DEATH inducing psychotoxins.
>
> In most nations, 66% of people dx'd with schizophrenia are completely
> cured without any psychotoxins.
Bullshit. Back up your claim with citations.
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antidepressants now. You have sorted it out well, and it is true it is
unscientific. How did I come about this conclusion? I really do not want
to say as it did involve a death when I was depressed and on amphetamine.
I thought I found the solution to my problem until I saw the conclusion.
Never, never again would I take a stimulant after knowing this and watching
it happen over and over again to others. And I do need one. But I know
what would happen, and no matter, I must desist from anti-depressants.
Before the pharms made anti-depressants 50 years ago, crohns was not so
common, it was Regional Ileitis by name, as it was not known it could engulf
the entire body. That was a good time to grow up as I never knew anyone
on hard drugs which were a source of crohns then. Plants have always been
around like marijuana, khat, cocaine, and it was probably the source of
Regional Ileitis then. I used to take my friend to a psychiatrist when she
lived with me, and I liked him very much. Told him what I knew because my
friend had a friend who grew up with her brothers and he happened to be on
marijuana. The doctor found it hard to believe, if he believed it at
all. But He always asked me about it on visits. The last visit he said a
patient came to him and wanted to know why his stomach always hurt when he
thought of a friend of his. I do not think quickly, so after I left, I
realized it was because his friend was on a stimulant. I saved the answer
for the next visit, but the doctor died before then. I really felt bad,
because I also realized they are prone to the effects of anti-depressants if
they are a good doctor, prescribe ADs, the patient who relies on them would
possibly be thinking of them often. Today, a 5 minute visit is the norm
with an RX for an anti-depressant. No warmth or conversation that would
endear the physician to us. Just as well, as they are probably saving
their lives.
All this is strange, I admit, but could I make up this theory. I am not
good at fiction. I wish it were not this way, I continually why there is
an illness so mysterious as to elude reasoning and dispense harm and the
person targeted is an innocent bystander (usually) just being friends with
people. Some people of course take drugs like marijuana in groups. \
A baby of parent physicians died in a practical nurses care and she was
accused of killing the child. The paper touted that the mother of the
child was not ashamed to say she was taking an anti-depressant. I went to
the lawyer and told him what I knew. He said the nurse was not guilty as
he knew that for a fact. He appealed, on what fact I don't know, but she
was acquited of her 50 year sentence.
I doubt he used my theory for fear of being thought insane.
I could go on and on, but it is cumbersome for me.
Theank you for trying to figure it out. Most people just judge quickly as
it is weird.
Sincerely
Gail
if no one close to you has crohns, it is probably safe. Some people just
are too busy to have mind connections or not with the person on the
anti-depressant and are not vulnerable. Seems I and my friend are very
vulnerable.
Many people do not have crohns and say their mother is taking an
anti-depressant, so it does vary tremendously. But for those that are
vulnerable, it is disastrous.
>
Mark Probert
> Well, Mark, you KNOW I do not know the cause of crohns and UC.
Join the club. Real Scientists do not know the cause.
I cannot
> talk publicly about a private matter the person obviously does not wish to
> disclose. A world figure was ill and I sent all my writings to the
> person (I have the post office receipt to prove it) and within two weeks
> was back on his/her feet and functioning normally.
That is proof youknowhow to mail things, nothing more.
I have said too much
> already, you may be smart, but this situation is one that is hard to come by
> for a person who makes a quick judgment and is unable to look further for
> one reason or another.
Glad to see you are developing insight.
Mark Probert
> Marcia, I will reply to you as yours is a common misunderstanding. I did
> not saya the user of anti-depressants is harmed by them. That would sound
> reasonable, but is not true far as I know.
> What I said, anti-depressants are harmful to another person by transference
> of mind/body connection in spite of distance.
Yes, you say this. For years. It is absurd, of course, but, you do say it.
Mark Probert
> Marcia, You have a good understanding of what I am saying about
> antidepressants now. You have sorted it out well, and it is true it is
> unscientific.
It is more than unscientific. It is un-real. It cannot happen.
Raving
wrote:
> news.chi.sbcglobal.net wrote:
> > Marcia, I will reply to you as yours is a common misunderstanding. I did
> > not saya the user of anti-depressants is harmed by them. That would sound
> > reasonable, but is not true far as I know.
> > What I said, anti-depressants are harmful to another person by transference
> > of mind/body connection in spite of distance.
>
> Yes, you say this. For years. It is absurd, of course, but, you do say it.
Social interaction is that way.
(mind/body connection in spite of distance.)
Mark Probert
Raving
about such things is *good* .
I dimly recall that UC is similar to psoriasis.
... Psoriasis being a nasty, persistent, genetically disposed,
"stress TRIGGERED", autoimmune cluster fuck.
IOW, a Pandora's box in the *truest* sense of it's meaning.
If "such" is indeed the case with Crohn's Disease then "mind/body
connection in spite of distance" may pertain.
YMMV.
P.S. ...
One of the *few* good things about psoriasis is that denying it's
*tangible* existence in a non issue.
marcia
No telling how many people I've contaminated just by reaching through
the monitor with my malignant, antidepressant-taking aura. Beware! :)
Raving
HTH & HAND :)
marcia
ROFL!
Mark Probert
> On Sep 12, 7:43 am, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com> wrote:
>> Raving wrote:
>>> On Sep 11, 11:50 pm, Mark Probert <markprob...@lumbercartel.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> news.chi.sbcglobal.net wrote:
>>>>> Marcia, I will reply to you as yours is a common misunderstanding. I did
>>>>> not saya the user of anti-depressants is harmed by them. That would sound
>>>>> reasonable, but is not true far as I know.
>>>>> What I said, anti-depressants are harmful to another person by transference
>>>>> of mind/body connection in spite of distance.
>>>> Yes, you say this. For years. It is absurd, of course, but, you do say it.
>>> Quite absurd. ...
>>> Social interaction is that way.
>>> (mind/body connection in spite of distance.)
>> Except that it does not transmit Crohn's Disease, which is Gail's bullshit.
> I know very little about Crohn's Disease but suspect that ignorance
> about such things is *good* .
It is oned of the miserable things one can develop in life. When I was
in high school, I worked in Dr. Crohn's lab as a test tube washer. He
had the disease and I vividly recall several flareups where he was
absolutely miserable.
>
> I dimly recall that UC is similar to psoriasis.
>
> ... Psoriasis being a nasty, persistent, genetically disposed,
> "stress TRIGGERED", autoimmune cluster fuck.
>
> IOW, a Pandora's box in the *truest* sense of it's meaning.
>
> If "such" is indeed the case with Crohn's Disease then "mind/body
> connection in spite of distance" may pertain.
Nope. The causes are unknown, but it is certainly not caused by someone
else taking medications.
>
> YMMV.
>
> P.S. ...
> One of the *few* good things about psoriasis is that denying it's
> *tangible* existence in a non issue.
I worked with a woman years ago wo had it. She was the great?
granddaughter of Strom Thurmond. She had some ugly flareups and I did
fel her agony.
news.chi.sbcglobal.net
York Transfer. Much of it is repetitious so you may not want to bother.
Anyway you KNOW everything with no proof of anything. What did you say,
mailing a package only proves I can mail. I am not in the habit of mailing
packages unless I think they are of interest or help, Or I would be the
idiot you think I am.
Gail
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