ADD/ADHD
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Bob Moylan
>Are there any known natural remedies for ADD or ADHD?
No, none, altho there are MANY who will try to sell you this or that
'natural' remedy
Mark Diekhans
> Are there any known natural remedies for ADD or ADHD?
Why is `natural' important? Actually, what does it mean? Level of proven
safety and effectiveness are the attributes to judge a medication by.
Tinker
> > Are there any known natural remedies for ADD or ADHD?
...and Mark Diekhans wisely & supportively responded:
> Why is `natural' important? Actually, what does it mean? Level of proven
> safety and effectiveness are the attributes to judge a medication by.
Furthermore, WHY is a "remedy" sought? I think many ppl have a Problem
distinguishing between Cause & Effect :: Problem & Result :: Fact & Fiction
Knowing & Believing... a n d ...if/when/what ACTION is required. Oh yes,
ADD the Template of "normal & customary" Limitations of Factual Knowledge
and you get --> what you get!
I would like to see a Remedy for Ignorance, Time passage, UNcommunicated
expectations, blatant assumptions, hidden agendas, mis-construements,
many _meanings_, ppl abuse of all sorts, etc.
MADct ..who thinks ppl are 'hung up' on Answers rather than Questions..
nuttypug
ADD?
nuttypug
something that has been known to cause serious side effects (ritilin),
plus these other prescribed medications are extremely costly.
nuttypug
those who ask questions before putting a child on a prescribed
medication that has serious side effects that could damage him one way
or another.
nuttypug
work. People with depression or serious mood swings are having much
success with a natural remedy St. John's Wort! There may be something
out there that will work to improve ADD or ADHD, in children and adults.
plbu...@postoffice.pacbell.net
costs very little.... I liked what someone or other said here, and I
agree, I am going to quit trying to be "normal", and learn to deal with
the way I am. This ADD stuff can be a curse, but as I am seeing from all
you wonderful folks, it can also be a blessing... I am trying to see the
good sides, and sometimes I can, and sometimes I can't...
nuttypug wrote:
> I want something that will work with the bodies' natural defenses not
> something that has been known to cause serious side effects (ritilin),
> plus these other prescribed medications are extremely costly.
BRo3660965
>Subject: ADD/ADHD
>From: "nuttypug" nutt...@protect.domain.com
>Date: Wed, 21 July 1999 09:50 AM EDT
>Message-id: <5fkl3.2915$J5.3...@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com>
>
>Are there any known or tried herbal or natural remedies that help with
>ADD?
CharlieG35
not understand is that ADD/ADHD is genetic, and a lot of the adults that have
children on medication are on medication themselves.
I am, and have only been on for 13 months. I have found Adderal to be very,
very benificial. Recently I ran out because of my vacation and have been
without for two days. You cannot imagine how frustrating those two days were.
Not because I was not functioning or because of some awful withdrawel, (no
physical affect at all) but because now I know what it is like to stay on one
subject, remember what I was doing, etc.and I like that.
My youngest daughter is ADD and yet I waited a year to get her diagnosed, She
has an appointment this next month in time for school. I waited this long for
several reasons. 1. cost, my insurance doesn't cover it. 2. My now
ex-husband opposed the diagnosis for the reason that when I was, with the help
of meds., able to focus and sort my feelings, I was also able to stand up to
his abbuse. He is an ass and sees meds. as an evil, when he is the evil. 3. I
wanted to be the ginni-pig.
As the ginni-pig, and a very intelligent person, what have I concluded? That
medicating my daughter will be a good thing.
By the way. I practice some homiopathic medicine myself. Example: oldest
daughter gets very car sick, so she takes Ginger, works very well. But herbs,
in the wrong combination can be very deadly too. A Colorado cyclist was booted
from the US Olymic (sp) team several years back because the "herbs" he took
turned into chemicals outlawed by the Olymics.
If you can find herbs that help, more power to you. But you may need to grow
them yourself. I've found homiopathic (sp) to be very expensive.
Charlie,
P.s. Just so you realize that I know what I'm talking about, my title is "She
That Rules The World". And if Ann replies, her title is "Queen Bitch". (But
don't believe her, she is a wonderful caring person)
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>From: "nuttypug" nutt...@protect.domain.com
>Date: Wed, 21 July 1999 10:09 AM EDT
>Message-id: <twkl3.2936$J5.3...@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com>
Ton
"John P." wrote:
>
> The reason St. John's Wort works is that it is a drug. Just because it is
> "natural" doesn't mean it isn't a drug. Marijuana is natural. Opium is
> natural. Magic Mushrooms are natural. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Yes, thank you John. And if I may add, even if it is
natural and NOT a drug, that still doesn't mean that it is
good for you. Fat is natural, cholesterol is natural, hell,
even crude oil is natural. Do you want to drink crude oil
just because it is natural?
I see the "natural" granola all the time but choose to leave
it sit on the shelf. That stuff has so much fat it isn't
funny. Heck, I may as well eat a "natural" side of beef!
Ton
John P.
the best for their child. Unfortunately there are a lot of people who will
take advantage of those feelings to sell you something that is not going to
help your child. ADHD is not a virus or bacteria, so the bodies "natural
defences" won't help any more than they can help a child who needs glasses
to see better.
Ritalin is a VERY safe drug. ADHD is VERY dangerous. "Natural" treatments
are untested so their efficacy and their side effects are unknown (although
usually they don't do anything at all).
So you can either go with the tried and tested treatment from the
scientific/medical community, or the 'alternative' route.
Remember that it is the scientific/medical community that successfully does
things like heart transplants, bionic ears, cures many cancers, etc. etc.
etc. Whereas the 'alternative' medical community just makes a lot of
unsubstantiated claims in the hope of selling you something.
Just because you can't see ADHD doesn't mean it's not real. It needs a real
treatment. Going the 'alternative' route might make YOU feel better, but it
won't make your child feel better.
Take it from someone who had untreated ADHD for 35 years. You DON'T want to
do that to someone.
Cheers
John P.
nuttypug wrote in message ...
>Ignorant are those who respond without understanding the feelings of
>those who ask questions before putting a child on a prescribed
>medication that has serious side effects that could damage him one way
>or another.
John P.
"natural" doesn't mean it isn't a drug. Marijuana is natural. Opium is
natural. Magic Mushrooms are natural. Etc. Etc. Etc.
Why on earth would a responsible parent prefer to give an uncontrolled drug
to their child instead of a prescription medicine?
If your kid had been diagnosed with say diabetes, would you be looking for a
natural alternative to insulin???
Cheers
John P.
nuttypug wrote in message ...
>Please don't dismiss that there may be something out there that will
>work. People with depression or serious mood swings are having much
>success with a natural remedy St. John's Wort! There may be something
>out there that will work to improve ADD or ADHD, in children and adults.
nuttypug
nuttypug
nuttypug
you for coining the word "alternative" for me. I am just trying to
seek out all forms of treatment before choosing which one to go with.
There are all sorts of reasons why I don't want to choose ritilin, most
of which is because I have a nephew who has been taking it for about 4
years and I don't like what I see. I only have suspicions that my son
has ADD or ADHD, he hasn't even been tested yet. Just looking over my
options beforehand.
Again, Thanks.
John P.
discovered a natural source of ritalin in a plant or something. That'd put a
spanner up the 'alternative' crowds works ;-)
Cheers
John P.
Ton wrote in message <3796935A...@netcarrier.com>...
>
>
>"John P." wrote:
>>
>> The reason St. John's Wort works is that it is a drug. Just because it is
>> "natural" doesn't mean it isn't a drug. Marijuana is natural. Opium is
>> natural. Magic Mushrooms are natural. Etc. Etc. Etc.
>
Kevin O'Connor
person needs medication and isn't getting it, that itself could damage him.
Why not let a trained, licensed professional (psychiatrist, family doctor)
guide you in making this decision?
nuttypug wrote:
>
> Ignorant are those who respond without understanding the feelings of
> those who ask questions before putting a child on a prescribed
> medication that has serious side effects that could damage him one way
> or another.
Kevin O'Connor
remedy that works. You think St. John's Wort is natural? Do you suppose it
grows in forests in handy little bottles with labels on it? The popular,
mass-marketed "alternative" substances are processed in company facilities,
just like presciption medicine. What's natural about that? You want
natural? Move to the Amazon and eat plants directly from the Earth.
nuttypug wrote:
>
> Please don't dismiss that there may be something out there that will
> work. People with depression or serious mood swings are having much
> success with a natural remedy St. John's Wort! There may be something
> out there that will work to improve ADD or ADHD, in children and adults.
Kimberly King
wasn't enough anymore. i now take wellbutrin and am doing wonderfully.
the whole time i took/am taking ritalin also.
kim
If a turtle doesn't have a shell, is he homeless or naked?
<hey look! moths!>
SumBuny4Me
nuttypug <nutt...@protect.domain.com> wrote in message
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<snip>
> There are all sorts of reasons why I don't want to choose ritilin, most
> of which is because I have a nephew who has been taking it for about 4
> years and I don't like what I see.
<snip>
Also, remember that even though ritalin seems to be the first medication of
choice, there are several other proven, tested, and regulated medications
out there for ADHD. One of my sons was on ritalin successfully for 4
years(is now off of meds with success). My younger son was on ritalin for a
couple of years, then was showing more signs of ADHD(i.e., ritalin appeared
to "stop working"), and he was changed over to dexedrine and is having more
success with this med.
The idea that you are looking into options is a healthy one---you seem to be
doing research that, hopefully, shows many different approaches. In our
family, meds *alone* do not work--it is a mulit-modal approach of which meds
is a *part*. We also have behavior modification, coping techniques, other
therapies(younger son also has specch problems, is gifted, and has sensory
integration difficulties), so one size does NOT fit all--heck one size don't
even fit MOST!!!
Keep up the research and hang in there!
Buny
--I tried to daydream once, but my mind kept wandering--
Steven Wright
samantha
"nuttypug" <nutt...@protect.domain.com> wrote:
> I want something that will work with the bodies' natural defenses not
> something that has been known to cause serious side effects (ritilin),
> plus these other prescribed medications are extremely costly.
> --
But it isn't a disease. You can't affect neurochemistry w.o. affecting
neurochemistry.
Ritalin is actually very direct in its effects, from what I've
read. It affects dopamine (the neurochemical that ADD-er's don't
have/process enough of) and has relatively insubstantial effects on
anything else- i.e. the heart, other neurochemicals.Ephedra, a popular
"natural" treatment, has a much greater effect on the heart, and that's
why large numbers of people have died using it. Your nephew may be
taking too high a dose, or Ritalin may not be the drug for him, but that
doesn't mean that it's a horribly dangerous medication.
--
Samantha
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~~patti~~
> >
> > I want something that will work with the bodies' natural defenses not
> > something that has been known to cause serious side effects (ritilin),
> > plus these other prescribed medications are extremely costly.
Exactly what Ritalin side effects are you referring to??? Rit does have
side effects, but they are more serious in some than others. And some may
experience NO side effects. "Alternatives" may also cause side effects.
Dave Knapp
>
> I want something that will work with the bodies' natural defenses not
> something that has been known to cause serious side effects (ritilin),
> plus these other prescribed medications are extremely costly.
Exactly how are the body's natural defenses related to ADD?
You _are_ aware, aren't you, that the vast majority of stuff you hear
about various nostrum's mechnanisms of "working with the body's natural
defenses" or "strengthening the immune system" are complete and utter
nonsense?
Finally, I think you will find that most "natural" ADD remedies are MORE
costly than pharmaceuticals. But then, in my opinion, cost should not
be a deciding factor when your child's health is at stake.
-- Dave
nuttypug
belittling. I appreciate YOUR input.
chenier danielle
<Wfin3.6787$J5.7...@c01read02-admin.service.talkway.com>...
> Thank you!!! For some reason I keep getting responses that are very
> belittling. I appreciate YOUR input.
> --
That could be because of the wording of this post of yours:
>>Ignorant are those who respond without understanding the feelings of
>>those who ask questions before putting a child on a prescribed
>>medication that has serious side effects that could damage him one way
>>or another.
Calling "ignorant" those of us who replied that even though natural sounds
good, it is not only, for the most part, useless but also potentially
dangerous and implying that WE do not ask questions before putting our
children on a prescribed medication, that is proven safe and VERY few
side-effects, is not going to elicit heartfelt replies.
While I understand your concerns, I would appreciate that you also
understand ours. It is hard living in this world where you have a child
with a diagnosed disability, yet are constantly accused of "drugging" the
child and of taking these easy way out of discipline through a label. If
having to fight with schools for special eds and having to opt for a summer
program that is SEVEN times more expensive than the regular program is
taking the easy way out, I really don't know what the hard way is!!!
And, as someone pointed out, there are more than one options, only some
involving medication and even then, more than one type of medication
available.
--
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Joe Parsons
of what you are responding to. This conveys some of the context to
readers and helps avoid misunderstanding and confusion.
On Fri, 30 Jul 1999 02:23:47 GMT, "nuttypug" <nutt...@protect.domain.com>
wrote:
>Did you read all the responses I got from people? I am NOT saying
>anyone is taking the easy way out. Who am I to say something like
>that...My son hasn't even been through the vigorous screening.
>Let me tell you my feelings:
>I only suspect that my son has a problem. He is a very vibrant child,
>very smart, energetic and loving. Probably my son isn't even ADD
>orADHD. I simply asked asked a question.
>"Is there anyone out there who HAS tried a natural remedy or rather an
>Alternative route to help these children and or adults?" What were
>THEIR feeling or findings? I'm not aking anyone's opinion who hasn't
There are many ways of asking a question, and some of those ways of asking
may also make a statement. The classic example of this is "Have you
stopped beating your wife?" :) <--note smiley
In this newsgroup, there are certain ways of asking questions that may
send certain "extra" messages to readers. Your question, for example:
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 14:09:29 GMT, "nuttypug" <nutt...@protect.domain.com>
wrote:
>Ignorant are those who respond without understanding the feelings of
>those who ask questions before putting a child on a prescribed
>medication that has serious side effects that could damage him one way
>or another.
Now, please don't misunderstand--what I am trying to do is to provide some
insight into why people may seem to react with some hostility int his
newsgroup. See, what you said (or implied) in that quoted post was
1) That people don't understand the feelings of people asking
questions;
2) That medication (presumably Ritalin) has "serious side effects;"
3) That these side effects are likely to "damage" the child.
Further, by implication, the parents whose children *do* take, say,
Ritalin, are knowingly giving them a potentially damaging substance.
There are some important things to know about "natural remedies" or
"alternatives," and I'm confident that you'll learn many of those things
here. There is also a great deal of fear-producing misinformation about
medication, often promulgated by people advancing an agenda. If you read
ASAD for any time at all, you'll have an opportunity to see both the
misinformation and the truth--and the misinformation is generally quite
easy to spot.
I hope this provides some useful insight into why some people may seem to
be less than cordial.
Joe Parsons
>tried an alternative route or furthermore doesn't believe.
>Yes I do realize that it was a mistake now to ask such a question.
>Only some people are entitled to their opinions. Any question
>considered out of the ordinary shouln't be and won't be answered with
>repect. I've been understanding to other people's feelings. I don't
>condemn or condone what other people do.
>It was just a question. Millions of books are being published every
>year on the subject of alternative medicine. I used St. John's Wort as
>an example and was reamed because of it. I use the herb and it helps
>me. I don't push it on other people.Millions of people use vitamin and
>mineral supplements everyday, Hell we push them on our newborn babies
>Knowing full well that overdosing can lead to side effects. But we
>still do it. We follow the Dr.'s instructions, and most babies do fine
>but as some children get older, their teeth have blotches on them.
>Sure some are caused by fever as their teeth are developing but most
>are caused by floride overdose.
>Tell me, am I all wrong or are some of what I say ringing true? Maybe
>I'm nuts for asking a few simple questions, but at least I'm asking.
>It doesn't mean I'm going to choose it, just asking.
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nuttypug
anyone is taking the easy way out. Who am I to say something like
that...My son hasn't even been through the vigorous screening.
Let me tell you my feelings:
I only suspect that my son has a problem. He is a very vibrant child,
very smart, energetic and loving. Probably my son isn't even ADD
orADHD. I simply asked asked a question.
"Is there anyone out there who HAS tried a natural remedy or rather an
Alternative route to help these children and or adults?" What were
THEIR feeling or findings? I'm not aking anyone's opinion who hasn't
Yes I do realize that it was a mistake now to ask such a question.
Only some people are entitled to their opinions. Any question
considered out of the ordinary shouln't be and won't be answered with
repect. I've been understanding to other people's feelings. I don't
condemn or condone what other people do.
It was just a question. Millions of books are being published every
year on the subject of alternative medicine. I used St. John's Wort as
an example and was reamed because of it. I use the herb and it helps
me. I don't push it on other people.Millions of people use vitamin and
mineral supplements everyday, Hell we push them on our newborn babies
Knowing full well that overdosing can lead to side effects. But we
still do it. We follow the Dr.'s instructions, and most babies do fine
but as some children get older, their teeth have blotches on them.
Sure some are caused by fever as their teeth are developing but most
are caused by floride overdose.
Tell me, am I all wrong or are some of what I say ringing true? Maybe
I'm nuts for asking a few simple questions, but at least I'm asking.
It doesn't mean I'm going to choose it, just asking.
--
~~patti~~
> Did you read all the responses I got from people? I am NOT saying
> anyone is taking the easy way out. Who am I to say something like
> that...My son hasn't even been through the vigorous screening.
> Let me tell you my feelings:
> I only suspect that my son has a problem. He is a very vibrant child,
> very smart, energetic and loving. Probably my son isn't even ADD
> orADHD
Are you saying that children with ADD aren't vibrant, smart, evergetic, and
loving???
If your son "probably" isn't ADD, then why were you here??? My educated
guess is that either you or someone close to your child suspects he is
ADD. There is NOTHING wrong with that! Why are you acting like you're
ashamed that you even suggested he might be???
If indeed you son is ADD, to be raised by someone with an attitude such as
yours will do him more harm than good!
> . I simply asked asked a question.
> "Is there anyone out there who HAS tried a natural remedy or rather an
> Alternative route to help these children and or adults?" What were
> THEIR feeling or findings? I'm not aking anyone's opinion who hasn't
> tried an alternative route or furthermore doesn't believe.
Surely you must realize than when you enter a newsgroup and post such a
question, you are likely to get opposing viewpoints, as well as feedback
from people who are against the subject, for whatever reason!
> Yes I do realize that it was a mistake now to ask such a question.
> Only some people are entitled to their opinions.
Apparently you only want to hear the opinions that YOU are hoping for.
> It was just a question. Millions of books are being published every
> year on the subject of alternative medicine.
So if you only want to hear the pros rather than the cons, why don't you
just go to your nearest bookstore?!?!?!
> Tell me, am I all wrong or are some of what I say ringing true? Maybe
> I'm nuts for asking a few simple questions, but at least I'm asking.
> It doesn't mean I'm going to choose it, just asking.
You are neither right nor wrong ... you are stating your opinion. Just
everyone else was. (and I have a feeling that, judging by your pompous
attitude, that you will choose to do what you want no matter what kind of
advice you are given, so why bother asking?)
Lisa
started getting into weird thoughts, so I quit
sometimes in the past when I have taken different "diet" pills, I do
okay for a while but then i get really really depressed.
I dont know how to explian it but I start thinking even weirder than
normal for me, it's kinda like I am deep in a tunnel somewhere and It's
a long long way up to the "surface of reality" and I wonder if that
means that I couldn't take Ritalin.?? without a powerful
anti-depressant anyway...
lisa
SusanS29
saying
anyone is taking the easy way out. "
You used the word "ignorant." Gasoline and flames. That's why you got the
responses you did.
warm now
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