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Barry Cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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"DONT THREATEN ME MISTER!"

"dont give me your disabled veteran sob story to try to get
brownie points from the public"

"YOU JERK!"

"Your A JERK!!"

"Your such a jerk"

"Your really a JERK"

"you are a stupid jerk"

"BIG JERK and a trouble maker!"

"Its only because you act like such a jerk and you always have to
be right in everything you say!"

"As usual COLON has to be an instigator and a jerk."

"Hey Art ,your a jerk"

"There are so many jerks out here in cyber world.
LET IT BE KNOWN PEOPLE AND CYBER JERKS"

"Im sure that an idiot like you would tell them to pump themselves
up with meds right from the start in every case to reduce their
allergic reactions.Why dont you go swallow a bottle of each and
mind your own business. If you can add your opinion without being
a jerk, feel free to join in."

"Your just a idiot!"

"Wily you are an idiot"

"because of the stupid report that was in the magazine"

"Its amazing how stupid people can be ,even trained healthcare
workers."

"your stupidity has no limits. FOOL!"

"Reading his stupid comments every day just got to me yesterday
and I lowered myself to his level."

"Keep trying TURKEY!!"

"Hey harold,Read the post--Im not against alpine units,you turkey"

"you are delusional"

"See a shrink,Mabe you can still be saved!"

"This numb skull would most likely stick a hair dryer into each
vent opening"

"Your so thick headed and narrow minded"

"Your a liar and a scam!"

"Your lies and cheap talk wont help you"

"Your lying remarks also help to fuel my enthusiasm ."

"More of your cheap lies."

"Because the more lies you post on the newsgroups the less people
will listen to you. Then you will just be talking to yourself,
looking like a fool."

"the company, like you, are a bunch of liars"

"RICK, YOU LIE!!"

"Evan ,It is you that is the fraud here with your misleading lies
about your Allerair air cleaner."

"Hey Alex ,Telling the world that the allerair people are liers
and thieves is being nice. I would rather buy a aircleaner from
someone who told the truth and said it like it is and so would my
thousands of happy customers, unlike you who would rather buy one
from a back stabbing liar that sweet talks people into buying
junk and then does not stand behind the machine when it goes
bad."

"Your Bad Service and Lies are even worse."

"Circumstantial evidence my ass!!!"

"And so does your BULL CRAP!!!"

"BS BS BS all the way."

"I think that those narrow minded ozone haters are really a bunch
of glue and gas sniffers. or mabe their minds are fried because
they took in a big breathe of fresh ozone after a
thunderstorm happened outside"

"But if you think that these low power machines will burn out your
lungs or will cause your pecker to fall off Please dont try one
out!!I know of a great buy on a bridge in brooklyn NY. that you
may want to invest in instead of buying a air purifier."

"The ozone produced from the lighting will burn out your lungs and
melt you from the inside out and turn you into a glob of ozonated
goo!"

"Sounds like we have a few hard core oil huffers and snorters
here!!! Next thing Ill here from you is Try some gas or glue It
will cure your allergies!!! and open those airways right up"

"I bet that one of your forefathers stated that by our scientific
evidence it has been proven that the world IS FLAT!!!!"

"Dont buy from national allergy supply. I dont care for the owner
hes a SOB ."

"You could pee across the the vacuum stream of such a weak piece
of junk"

"Dont give me your bull"

"I dont have to take your BS or anyone else's and I wont!"

"Many of Colons SIFI info sources are outdated and still full of
BS. Just like he is!"

"No Matter what you, myself or anyone says ,Baby Colon {as in
ASSHOLE} always has to be right. Nothing that you say or post
will be any good in his foolish brain pan. Even though hes not
always right.Given his POOR personality . {A Control FREAK! } I
bet ya his secret desire is to be tied up by some dirty ugly
whore so he has no control and to be humiliated . I bet thats
the real COLON! Its the truth isnt it Colon!"

"the law was broken ,the day you were born. I hope you went to
visiting day often at the state pen to visit your parents like a
good son"

"Didn't you get sued in 1977 for selling heroin to old hippies
in frisco?"

"the factory people in denmark are narrow minded"

"Your not to bright, are you"

"You are acting like a fool and It takes away the little
credibility that you may still have!"

"When the fat lady sings I hope that you will shut your yapper!"

"You make your company and yourself look
bad loosing credibility every time you lie in your posts!"

"So why dont you crawl back under the rock that you came
from ,you slug!"

"Take a hike!"

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From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: My daughter is coughing all the time at night.
Date: 02 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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HI Barry here from www.aircleaners.com It could be a environmental
problem! Does she
have newer carpet in or close to her bedroom, new plywood in the
area, Dirty
airducts???You may try buying a good HEPA air cleaner with alot of
zeolite and coconut
carbon in it that can absorb offgassing chemicals.. The austin air
Healthmate or
Healthmate plus is the best unit on the market.If you would like more
info on these units
Feel free to call me day or night at 1-888-578-7324 good luck,Barry

Bill Ellis Fleenor wrote:

> RAC wrote:
> >
> > I have a daughter who was diagnosed three years ago as having
> > asthma. We have taken her to specialists, and after several
> > meetings, the Drs. really weren't sure if it was asthma or not.
> > We have been to other doctors after this, and have done extensive
> > allergy testing along with other tests. She is currently taking
> > allergy shots along with the other medications that I will
> > mention.
> >
> > Here are the symptoms:
> >
> > Night time, continuous coughing until she falls asleep.
> > Expectorants and suppressants don't work at all, neither has
> > Preventil, Aerobid, or Prelone. She also coughs when she is in
> > cold air.
> >
> > I have read recently about "Variant Asthma." This is a asthma
> > that only occurs at night, or when exposed to cold air. It can
> > last for a week or 20 years! The medication of choice for
> > Variant Asthma is Prednisolone. This is a form of of Prelone, and
> > Prelone has no effect whatsoever! Then I also read that the
> > bronchodilators would end up with the patient to have full-blown
> > wheezy asthma, but those on steroids alone did not indicate that
> > any of them later developed full-blown wheezy asthma.
> >
> > Any suggestions as to what to do? I am a RN, and the doctors are
> > running out of options and idea's. Is there anyone here that has
> > suggestions or experiences with this situation?
> >
> > Thank you, and you may wish to check out the following sites
> > below, it may help someone here.
> >
> > www. asap-care.com/Asthma.htm
> >
> > http://www.aanma.org/
> >
> > email is Lib...@accnorwalk.com
>
> It could be cough variant asthma; treatment is the same as for
> regular asthma; bronchodilators and steroid inhalers; oral
> steroids like Prelone should be avoided due to side effects.
> However if oral steroids don't help, it tends to rule out asthma.
>
> A number of conditions can cause coughing including post nasal
> drip from rhinitis or sinusitis; and GE reflux. Sinusitis is
> diagnosed using a CT x-ray of head.
>
> Here are links:
>
> http://www.vh.org/Providers/TeachingFiles/PulmonaryCoreCurric/Chroni
> cCough/TableI.html Virtual Hospital (UIOWA)
>
> "Table I: Common Causes of Cough
>
> Paul Jagielo, M.D.
> Peer Review Status: Externally Peer Reviewed by the Department
> of Internal Medicine Virtual Hospital Editorial Board
>
> Post nasal drip
>
> perennial non allergic
> vasomotor rhinitis
> allergic rhinitis
> post viral rhinitis
> occupational/environmental irritants
> chronic sinusitis
>
> Bronchial hyperreactivity
>
> asthma (cough-variant)
> post-viral bronchial hyperreactivity
>
> GE reflux
> Chronic bronchitis (history of smoking)
> Bronchiectasis
> One or more of the above in combination
>
> Virtual Hospital International Locations: Australia | United States
>
> All contents copyright © 1992-1998 the Author(s) and the
> University of Iowa. All rights reserved. "
>
> http://www.ummed.edu/dept/pulmonary/irwin/pitfalls.htm
> Common Pitfalls in Managing Patients with Chronic Cough
>
> http://www.bcm.tmc.edu/cme/courses/oto_01/
> Chronic Cough in Children, Baylor College
>
> Ellis

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air Purification Units - The Truth
Date: 03 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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.oxygen-therapy,alt.support.asthma

BONNIE, These oils do not work.In fact you will most likely react to
them and
break out or sneeze your head off and then explode. Yuk what a mess
to clean
up!! Get your self a good HEPA air cleaner or air purifier that
works. If you
want the best ,see the website at www.aircleaners.com . If you need
more info
please feel free to call toll free!

Squeaky wrote:

> My husband is allergic to cats and we both have allergies to molds.
> Which combinations of oils do you use. Thanks. Bonnie

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Asthma triggered by computers?
Date: 03 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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It might be one of bill gates boys,ya should of got a PC .But if it
is
offgassing you my need a good HEPA air cleaner with coconut carbon
and zeolite
in it .For the best aircleaners go to the website at
www.aircleaners.com
Good luck!!!

René Wynands wrote:

> Always, when I am working with my G3-Macintosh, I get a terrible
> burning feeling in my bronchi. I would like to know, if there is
> someone else, who has got the same (or similar) problems. Could
> there be a toxic substance, that emit from the computer?
>
> Please let me know what you think.
> Rene
>
> --
> Rene Wynands
> e-mail to: r...@oktober.de

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: My daughter is coughing all the time at night.
Date: 03 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Hey Kin, I did tell her to first check for new carpet offgassing or
wood offgassing.I bet
the HEPA carbon-zeolite blend filter would help alot anyway !!

Kin Hoong CHUNG wrote:

> barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com> wrote:
> : HI Barry here from www.aircleaners.com It could be a
> environmental problem! Does she : have newer carpet in or close to
> her bedroom, new plywood in the area, Dirty
>
> Yes, but just remember to find out what the problem is _before_
> considering expensive changes like buying air filters, removing
> carpet etc, since it would be a complete waste of time and money
> and effort to fix something which is not a problem!
>
> Cheers,
>
> Kin Hoong

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air purification?
Date: 05 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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All I have to say to you is that you dont know what your talking
about ! Ozone canot
clean the inside of a A/C system NO WAY !! Proper Source removel air
duct cleaning
must be used. As far as ozone machines go, once the units knob is set
to the proper
setting the ozone output will not change.If you or someone else
turned it up ,It
would not kill you as you stated. It might dry out your eyes or give
you a dry
mouth,but thats about it! 1000's of people use and love the way
their units work
.They just have to follow the instructions and use the machine in the
proper manor.
But if you think that these low power machines will burn out your
lungs or will
cause your pecker to fall off Please dont try one out!!I know of a
great buy on a
bridge in brooklyn NY. that you may want to invest in instead of
buying a air
purifier.

eri...@esc-ch.com wrote:

> In article <75nui6$1bf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> cao...@redsuspenders.com wrote:
> > In article <367E0071...@aircleaners.com>,
> > all...@aircleaners.com wrote:
> > > Barry here ,Chris Did you know that the normal level of ozone
> > > in the air has fallen greatly in the last 20 years. This is due
> > > to air pollution in the
> > outside
> > > and inside air. If the amount of ozone is increased by a small
> > > amount
> indoors
> > it
> > > will not have a negitive affect on even a asthmatic person. I
> > > have sold many units to people with asthma without problem as
> > > long as proper useage of the
> > unit
> > > is explained to them in detail.They are told to keep the unit
> > > very low. If
> > they
> > > can smell even a small amount of the fresh smell of the ozone
> > > after two
> > minuets
> > > in their indoor environment ,they are told to turn it down so
> > > they cant
> smell
> > it
> > > after this amount of time Say what you want to but when used
> > > correctley
> these
> > > units work well in reducing molds,bacteria odors and floating
> > > particals.
> like
> > > dust,dustmite allergen,smoke ect....
>
> THIS IS CRIMINAL !
>
> Ozone is always harmfull for asthmatic persons!
>
> Relying on your nose thô detect eccess of ozone is just CRAZY. the
> human nose gets used very fast to ozone, after a few second, you do
> not smell anything any more, and if then the concentration
> increases, you die without knowing why.
>
> Ozone is effective to clean air in an AC system, but it MUST be
> removed before the air goes into the room, or before somebody comes
> into the room.
>
> And an ozone sensor is essential (see
> http://www.esc-ch.com/capteurs/), whenever ozone is used.
>
> As an asthmatic myself, I would NEVER NEVER put ANY ozone in the
> air I am breathing. Only maybe in an AC air processing system, but
> then with an ozone removal filter and a sensor to check no ozone is
> coming out!
>
> Enrico
>
> -----------== Posted via Deja News, The Discussion Network
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> or Start Your Own

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air cleaners: Austin Air vs. Allergytech's AllerAir
Date: 07 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Barry here of www.aircleaners.com Please note To be carefull when
buying HEPA
aircleaners from people that give you a 30 day trial. .Dont believe
that that
dealer never gets them back because they do come back from people
that use them to
help cleanup a mess. Then they are then sent back for a easy refund.
That dealer
will not want to lose his profit and will resell the unit as new,and
you will not
know if its new or used.I feel that this is not ethical when selling
air cleaners
so we do not give this service. The austin air healthmate is the best
unit on the
market but please be carefull how and where you buy it from!! I have
been in the
air cleaner biz for over ten years and I have seen it all . Best of
luck to you and
yours.

DbMcelroy wrote:

> I have seen the same info as you. I opted to get an Austin unit
> from a dealer near me. They have a 30 day guarantee, so if I don't
> like it I can return it. The dealer claims he has never had one
> return ans people are so happy...We will see.!

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air cleaners: Austin Air vs. Allergytech's AllerAir
Date: 07 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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The cost of a repacment filter for a austin air healthmate HEPA air
cleaner is $120.00 aprox every Five years.

Steve Browne wrote:

> On 05 Jan 1999 15:08:06 -0500, Chris Paris <c...@cmu.edu> wrote:
>
> >I'm shopping for a portable HEPA air cleaner, and I think I've
> >narrowed it down to the standard Austin Air unit (see
> >http://www.austinair.com) and the 6000 series AllergyTech unit
> >(see http://www.allergytech.com). The AllergyTech filter looks
> >very similar in specs to the Austin Air one, but the AllergyTech
> >filter has a number of advantages over the Austin Air. The most
> >notable difference is that the HEPA filter and the activated
> >carbon-zeolite filter are intependently replaceable in the
> >AllergyTech filter.
> >
> >I have found an abundance of positive comments about the Austin
> >Air filter, but very little about the AllergyTech filter except
> >for what is on their web site. I suspect that this is simply
> >because Austin Air has been around longer. I called Alexander at
> >AllergyTech, and he indicated that their air cleaner was developed
> >in part by ex-employees of Austin Air. I got the impression that
> >he thought of their air cleaner as sort of the next evolutionary
> >step above the Austin Air cleaners. The features list of each
> >suggests the same.
> >
> >Does anyone have opinions about the AllergyTech air cleaners?
> >
> >Chris
>
> Check on the cost of replacement filters before you decide to marry
> either of these.
>
> Steve
> Stephen B. Browne
> sbr...@ix.netcom.com

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air cleaners: Austin Air vs. Allergytech's AllerAir
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The cost of a repacment filter for a austin air healthmate HEPA air
cleaner is $120.00 aprox every Five years.

Steve Browne wrote:

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air purification?
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TO COLIN and group, YES ozone does kill bacteria and fungus in the
air ,but it must be in
a very large volume for a long amount of time in such a large area as
an A/C systems air
ducts covering a whole house. The ozone ionizer units sold for home
use may cut down the
fungus and bacteria level a small amount but the best way to get a
A/C system really
clean is to use proper source removel air duct cleaning. Best with a
power-vac truck and
jet air nozzel. and then the system should be fogged with a product
called oxcine that
will kill any bacteria or fungus in the system .This product will
then evaporate leaving
no chemical activeity. Again these small home ozone-ionizer units do
not produce harmfull
amounts of ozone in the home environment in which they were made to
run in . If they are
turned up to high,people mostly will get a dry mouth or dry eyes
until they turn it down
a bit to a lower level. These units still work well!!!

Colin Campbell wrote:

> On Tue, 05 Jan 1999 22:17:20 -0800, barry cohen
> <abso...@aircleaners.com> wrote:
>
> >All I have to say to you is that you dont know what your talking
> >about ! Ozone canot clean the inside of a A/C system NO WAY !!
> >Proper Source removel air duct cleaning must be used. As far as
> >ozone machines go, once the units knob is set to the proper
> >setting the ozone output will not change.If you or someone else
> >turned it up ,It would not kill you as you stated. It might dry
> >out your eyes or give you a dry mouth,but thats about it!
>
> Incorrect. Ozone is a very powerful airways irritant. In fact
> ozone is such a powerful irritant that the only level of exposure
> that will not increase the effects of allergy and asthma is not
> detectable with current air monitoring technology.
>
> I suggest that you review some of the scientific literature
> regarding the effects of ozone exposure on asthma and allergies
> before you start making misleading claims about safety.

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air purification?
Date: 07 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Remember, Too much beer ,wine or mixed drinks will kill you so will
to much o2 or H2o
Better not take any gas at the dentist or paint your house and dont
foget to hold your
breathe when you fill your cars tank,those fumes will also kill
you.Im sure that those
fumes are much stronger and unhealthy then the small amounts of ozone
that a 1 amp air
purifier will produce! Ya know come to think of it you better hold
your breathe during
and after a lighting storm because lighting also produces amounts of
ozone about the
same amounts as in those little air purifiers.The point that Im
making is that small
amounts of ozone wont hurt you,Even lighting produces ozone so it
will help to balance
fungus ,bacteria and harmfull rays on our earth in the air and water
for all living
things.
Colin Campbell wrote:

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air cleaners: Austin Air vs. Allergytech's AllerAir
Date: 07 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Hello group Barry from www.aircleaners.com I want to share a true
story
about the allergytech unit and one of its owners.I have owned a
2700sq ft
allergy/asthma products store for ten years.Many companies call me as
allergytech did to try to convince me to sell their products. When
they
called me they told me how great their aircleaners were. I agreed to
buy
one with the understanding that if It was not up to my high
standards,I
could return it for a full refund.So I paid by credit card and they
shipped
it to me.Well it took almost a month to get it in to my store.When I
opened
up the box the unit was dented due to poor packing. The case had
sharp
sheetmetal sticking out where it should have been folded in.When I
turned
the unit on I could not believe how loud the unit was. That was
enough for
me right then and there so I called the factory in canada where it
came
from and Told them about all of the problems and asked them to
backcharge
my credit card and send a UPS pickup. Well my friends they yessed me
and
did nothing at all. It took me about four months to get my money back
and I
only got it back because the credit card company put the pressure on
them
to do so.This should tell you to be very carefull when dealing with a
new
company loaded with promises to be better then the other guy.I have
been
dealing with austin air for ten years and their quality and service
has
never failed me or my customers.I have sold 1000's of units. If the
very
rare unit comes to a customer flawed in any way the factory will send
out a
new unit at once and then send out a UPS pickup out of their
pocket,not the
customers. Austin air is just a great all around company to deal
with.Please keep this post in mind if you plan on buying a HEPA air
cleaner! Barry-----owner

Steve Browne wrote:

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: The Purpose of this Group.
Date: 08 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Im with you richard!!!!!!!! Barry here of www.aircleaners.com

A.R.Friedel wrote:

> In the long debates as to whether somebody is being too intolerant
> and aggressive or just acting in the interests of 99.9612330f bona
> fide readers by warning against possible dangers of some unorthodox
> treatment, one point does not seem to have been sufficiently
> considered. It is the fact that medicine tends to focus on certain
> possibilities in treatment as a paradigm and to turn a blind eye to
> other avenues of approach.
>
> Is it too much to ask for folks to allow discussion of treatments
> which do not comply with present thinking in the medical community?
>
> As one example here in Germany: a fews years ago some substances
> of plant origin where poo-pooed as just being "old grandma's herbal
> tea". Now, since the dangers of resistance with antibiotics are
> becoming clearer, such plant substances are heralded by medical
> authorities as "a very interesting development, stimulation of the
> immune system".
>
> Surely people here can profit from taking a more independent and
> thoughtful attitude toward current medical paradigms.
>
> Another reason for more discussion of "alternative" just badly
> timed treatments is the book "Follies & Fallacies in Medicine" ~
> Peter
> Skrabanek et al. 1990, showing convincingly and amusingly that
> medicine is much more fallable than usually taken to be the case.
> The conclusion must be that it is sometimes wise and canny to avoid
> orthodox treatment and unwittingly (or not so) to rely on the
> placebo effect. Cheers, Richard Friedel

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air Purification Units - The Truth
Date: 09 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Sounds like we have a few hard core oil huffers and snorters here!!!
Next thing Ill
here from you is Try some gas or glue It will cure your allergies!!!
and open those
airways right up.

chris-a...@home.com wrote:

> Barry,I have allergies as well- very severe. Oils do not make me
> sneeze, in fact, they clear sinuses!!!!!!
>
> barry cohen wrote:
> >
> > BONNIE, These oils do not work.In fact you will most likely react
> > to them and break out or sneeze your head off and then explode.
> > Yuk what a mess to clean up!! Get your self a good HEPA air
> > cleaner or air purifier that works. If you want the best ,see the
> > website at www.aircleaners.com . If you need more info please
> > feel free to call toll free!
> >
> > Squeaky wrote:
> >
> > > My husband is allergic to cats and we both have allergies to
> > > molds. Which combinations of oils do you use. Thanks.
> > > Bonnie
>
> --
> Chris and Tania

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Where can I buy a Relative Humidity Gauge?
Date: 09 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Hi Barry here of www.aircleaners.com Most of the major mail order
companies and their mall stores have humidity gauges.

nick...@msn.com wrote:

> Any suggestions would be most welcome
>
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From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Vaporizers
Date: 09 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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If any one is looking for a slant/fin.You can find them at
www.aircleaners.com

Blake Sobiloff wrote:

> I bought a Slant/Fin GF-350 and have been using it for several days
> now. In general, I'm pretty happy with it. It's a "warm mist"
> (water boiling) humidifier that uses a germicidal UV light to kill
> any nasties in the water. Because it boils the water, Slant/Fin
> claims that you don't get any white dust.
>
> (See <http://www.slantfin.com/consumer/humidify.html> for a little
> more information. Note that the GF-350 doesn't appear on
> Slant/Fin's Web site, but it's basically an extra-capacity version
> of the GFH-150.)
>
> It does a pretty good job of humidifying a large bedroom if you
> keep the door closed, but don't expect it to humidify a whole
> house. I can easily get the humidity in my bedroom up to 45RH
> with the door closed. It's quiet, too. All you hear is a muffled
> boiling sound and an occasional burble as water flows from the
> tanks to the boiling cup.
>
> While the advertising for it says that it doesn't use any filters,
> there is actually a fabric pad that is supposed to absorb minerals
> from the water and reduce the amount of cleaning you have to do.
> This things are supposed to be replaced every couple of weeks.
> While inexpensive, they certainly seem to be acting like a filter
> of sorts.
>
> The UV bulb is good for 2,000 hours of use, and replacements are
> about $12.
>
> It remains to be seen how easy/hard it will be to clean the boiling
> cup, and whether the mineral filter is really needed or not. I'll
> let folks know in a few weeks if there's interest.
>
> The biggest downside is cost. I bought mine for about $145, while
> models with smaller capacity can be had for around $100. My
> sinusitis is from allergies, and I wanted a humidifier that didn't
> spew molds or require frequent filter changes and extensive
> cleanings. I hope I've found such a device; so far, so good.
> --
> Blake Sobiloff <sobi...@mindspring.com>
> Higher Education Consulting
> KPMG -- "It's time for clarity"
> Washington, DC

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air Purifier Help
Date: 12 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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HI ken, Barry here of www.aircleaners.com I have been in the
aircleaner
biz for ten years. We carry only the best of both types of units.
Please
see the website or feel free to call day or night for the information
that
you need. Call 1-888-578-7324 Best of the new year to you and
yours!

Ken Copeland wrote:

> I am planning on buying an air purifier and am completely stumped.
>
> I have two dogs and am looking for ways to reduce dander.
> I also want to eliminate 'sick air' in the house...
>
> Can anyone direct me in the two types of filters (ozone and the
> filter type)?
>
> Also any suggestions of websites for purchase?
>
> Thanks for any info
>
> Ken Copeland
> d...@snet.net

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: dust mites/mattress covers?
Date: 12 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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The best of the encasing type is the poly cotton with the breathable
membrane on
the inside.I dont like the non membrane types because the threadcount
can lossen
up after required hot water washings allowing dustmite allergen to
pass through.
Barry

Francis Small wrote:

> Jim Malloy (jma...@air-flow.co.nz) wrote:
> : Plastic covers are not very good,there are specific standards for
> Anti : allergen bedding covers, see web site
> http://www.air-flow.co.nz for more : detailed information
>
> I've heard the same thing, the reason being that a plastic cover
> retains moisture, encouraging mold growth. A micro-porous cover on
> the other hand permits the passage of air and water vapor while
> prohibiting the passage of dust mites, their excretions (which is
> what you're really allergic to when you are allergic to "dust
> mites") and other allergens.
>
> Francis
>
> --
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> . 35. . . Padres Francis
> Small - M/S M1RA
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> Company
> Bums Microwave
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> Rohnert Park CA, 94928
> Diamondback
> 707 794 3305
> ft...@sr.hp.com
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> *****************

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Hepa AirFilter Vs. Electrostatic Air Cleaner
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If you want honest information about the different types of
aircleaners see the
website at www.aircleaners.com or call 1-888-578-7324 No pressure
will be put on
you to buy anything. Your questions will be answered then its up to
you.

Steve Browne wrote:

> On Mon, 11 Jan 1999 06:31:44 GMT, fitm...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
>
> >I am looking for an Air Filter that cleans 99.99612330f the dirty
> >air and doesn't make alot of noise. So, Should I go with an
> >Electro-static cleaner(like the one sold at www.oreck.com) or
> >should I go with a Regular Hepa air cleaner(like holmes)?. How
> >much should I spend for a air cleaner?. Also, Do the Ionizer
> >option in air cleaners really matter?.
> >
> This question is often asked, and there are always a bunch of
> salesmen lurking who will jump in with a post to steer you to some
> particular brand. Since I just expressed my opinion for someone
> else, I'm worn out, but try to get an objective response.
>
> Steve
> Stephen B. Browne
> sbr...@ix.netcom.com

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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Dont buy a allergytech HEPA air filter ,The unit is built poorley and
the
company does not stand buy their word or their equipment. They tried
to rip me
off and almost did when I bought one to try. The very best HEPA air
cleaner on
the market is the austin air healthmate. It does the best job and the
company
stands behind their equipment all the way.
Also the oreck and the holmes and any other unit on the market cant
even compare
with the austin air healthmate unit. The austin air may cost a bit
more then the
cheap dept store units but it is ten times better quality then the
others.
Steve Browne wrote:

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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Barry here from www.aircleaners.com Hi nick, Heres some answers. Get
a proper air
duct cleaning company with a power vac truck and clean your air ducts
and the
furnace its self ,then order a good self charging electrostatic air
filter in it .
These filters are about 90 4.285243e-309fficent compared to the 5throw away
types. Then you
can live with your heat on. Next The alpine unit works well,but by
what you stated
I believe that you had it turned up to high.Too much ozone will
affect you just as
you stated .It only needs to be turned up to the point of just barely
being able to
sense its odor.You can adjust the ozone output to almost nothing if
needed. Of
course keep the house very clean, after the ductwork is cleaned and
the filter is
put in place, no more dust will recontaminate your home after you
clean it. The
holmes unit sold in dept stores is not very good. The best HEPA air
cleaner is the
austin air healthmate model. It will not stir up the air ,It will
kick butt
cleaning the air. It is best used in a bedroom sized room as it will
have a very
high rate of air exchange per hour. This will really help you sleep
better at
night. Its about ten times better then the holmes unit. When the time
comes to buy
a new vacuum cleaner ,go for a miele medivac model . This unit is the
best ,most
user friendly HEPA filtered vac on the market. It will mostly last
for the rest of
your life.The only down side of your allergy cleanup is that these
top quality
machines and services are not cheap. Do what you can. The more that
you do the
better you will feel. Best of luck ,Barry---owner

nick...@msn.com wrote:

> I Agree, carpets suck, and when I have my custom home built, there
> will be no carpet. Meanwhile, I am in a rental house and so am
> stuck with them.
>
> I tried putting the unit high on a table and its not as bad as on
> the floor, but still worse than nothing at all.
>
> Even the fan from the forced air furnace makes me worse (with or
> without the furnace on), so I do not run it, but use an electric
> radiator without a fan, and an electrified blanket on the bed.
> This way I am not nearly as bad.
>
> Is there not an ionizer air cleaner that does not have a fan at
> all, and does not produce too much Ozone. I vaguely remember
> reading about one in the "Sinus Survivial" book, but forget the
> name and I've lost the book.
>
> I also tried the Alpine by the way, and did not like it. The fan
> was too much even on low, and the ozone had a nasty smell that made
> my eyes burn.
>
> Thanks for any suggestions
>
> In article <o4ad84o...@linus.mitre.org>,
> s...@linus.mitre.org (Steven D. Litvintchouk) wrote:
> >
> > nick...@msn.com writes:
> >
> > > I just purchased a Friedrich C-90A, the CR top rated air
> > > cleaner. I turned
> it
> > > on last night but after about 1 hour I noticed a worsening of
> > > my
> symptoms....
> > >
> > > I think its because, even at the low setting, the fan is so
> > > powerful, it
> stirs
> > > up more dust than it filters out.
> > >
>
> > > Two years ago, I had a Holmes HEPA filter which I got rid of
> > > for the same reasons - the fan was stirring up too much dust.
> > >
> > > Anyone else experinece this?
> >
> > Yes, but that's why it's important to remove sources of dust from
> > the room--or at least keep the ionizer fan away from anything
> > dusty. Did you run the unit on the floor? And is your floor
> > carpeted? If so, that's asking for trouble--it's impossible to
> > remove all dust from a carpeted floor. Find a tabletop large
> > enough to hold the
> > unit, dust it thoroughly, and place the unit there. Or better
> > yet, get rid of your carpets altogether.
> >
> > --
> > Steven D. Litvintchouk
> > The MITRE Corporation
> > 202 Burlington Road Phone: (781)271-7753
> > Bedford, MA 01730-1420 Email:
> > s...@mitre.org
> >
>
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From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: allergies in Colorado?
Date: 13 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Hi Barry her of www.aircleaners.com I live in durango colorado. The
air is
fresh and clean. I feel great here.Way better then NJ or FL where I
moved
from. But there is pine trees here and lots of wild flowers in the
summer.
You really have to come and first check it out . I would not live in
denver
because the air pollution stays socked in the city in the winter due
to the
cold air which keeps the pollution low to the ground.

Lisa Vonarx wrote:

> I am not very familiar to Colorado but I did work for an allergist
> and I also suffer from bad allergies and I often would tell the
> allergist that I wanted to move to a place that wasn't as bad as
> St. Louis and she would reply that any where I would move I would
> probably develop an allergy to whatever I was exposed to there.
> Her reasoning behind this-you aren't allergic to something until
> you are exposed to it.
>
> Lisa
>
> Gary Harris wrote:
>
> > I just subscribed to this group - I am home from work with really
> > bad drainage, earache and sinus pain. My husband and I live in
> > Austin, Texas, where you will hear people say "if you didn't have
> > allergies before, you will once you move to Austin." Well, I had
> > them before, and now they are ridiculously bad. We have lived
> > here for three years and are considernig relocating, possibly to
> > Colorado. I would like any information on the severity of the
> > allergy problem in Colorado, mainly the Denver/Boulder area - we
> > are hoping we can move somewhere where allergies would not be
> > such a big problem. I am currently taking Flonase Nasal Spray,
> > Allegra, Allegra-D, allergy shots, 3 different asthma inhalers,
> > and also Deconamine at times. I am on antibiotics about once
> > every month because my allergies usually turn into infection,
> > which usually goes into my chest and turns into bronchitis. Any
> > help from Colorado residents or anyone who is familiar with that
> > area would be appreciated!
> >
> > Leslie
>
> --
> Lisa Vonarx
> Esse Health
> MIS Department
> (314)919-1032 Phone
> (314)301-1960 Fax
>
>
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> 520 South Elm Ave Work: (314)919-1032
> Saint Louis Fax: (314)301-1960
> Missouri Netscape Conference Address
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> First Name Lisa
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From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Hepa AirFilter Vs. Electrostatic Air Cleaner
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Barry here of www.aircleaners.com The best HEPA air cleaner is the
austin air
healthmate model Its more money then the cheaper dept store units
,but its Ten
times better and very quiet. Its up to you to do your homework and
deal with a
salesman that you feel is telling you the truth and really knows what
hes
talking about.Feel free to call anytime for more information on air
cleaners .
Ill do the best that I can for you with no pressure to buy anything.
I have been
dealing with aircleaners for over ten years. Good luck,
Barry-----owner

Steve Browne wrote:

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Barry Cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
www.aircleaners.com <in...@aircleaners.com>

<all...@aircleaners.com> wrote:

"DONT THREATEN ME MISTER!"

"YOU JERK!"

"Your A JERK!!"

"Your such a jerk"

"Your really a JERK"

"Your just a idiot!"

"Keep trying TURKEY!!"

"you are delusional"

"RICK, YOU LIE!!"

"Circumstantial evidence my ass!!!"

"Take a hike!"

Bill Ellis Fleenor wrote:

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Squeaky wrote:

Ren
Wynands wrote:

Kin Hoong CHUNG wrote:

eri...@esc-ch.com wrote:

DbMcelroy wrote:

Steve Browne wrote:

Colin Campbell wrote:

Steve Browne wrote:

A.R.Friedel wrote:

> aggressive or just acting in the interests of 99.9% of bona fide readers

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chris-a...@home.com wrote:

nick...@msn.com wrote:

Blake Sobiloff wrote:

> get the humidity in my bedroom up to 45% RH with the door closed. It's

Ken Copeland wrote:

Francis Small wrote:

Steve Browne wrote:

> >I am looking for an Air Filter that cleans 99.99% of the dirty air and

These filters are about 90% efficent compared to the 5% throw away types. Then you

nick...@msn.com wrote:

Lisa Vonarx wrote:

Steve Browne wrote:

> >I am looking for an Air Filter that cleans 99.99% of the dirty air and

> >doesn't make alot of noise. So, Should I go with an Electro-static
> >cleaner(like the one sold at www.oreck.com) or should I go with a Regular
> >Hepa air cleaner(like holmes)?. How much should I spend for a air cleaner?.
> >Also, Do the Ionizer option in air cleaners really matter?.
> >
> This question is often asked, and there are always a bunch of salesmen
> lurking who will jump in with a post to steer you to some particular
> brand. Since I just expressed my opinion for someone else, I'm worn
> out, but try to get an objective response.
>
> Steve
> Stephen B. Browne
> sbr...@ix.netcom.com

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air "cleaners" make me worse!??
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Colin Your such a jerk, We think that you were ozone deprived as a young child. This is
why your on a anti ozone crusade now in your adulthood.. I wonder why out of the
1000s of units sold so many few people have problems with the low low ouput of ozone.
The company that manufactures most of these units have been going strong for aprox 20
years and sales are growing like wildfire. If these machines were killing people like
you say they are ., The people and the dept of health would have shut them down by now
,Dont you think so? 20 years and nobody dead from burned out lungs! WoW!! I wish that
dupont chemical Co could have those specs! Why dont you pick on them colin? Ill tell you
why ,Its because your compulsive and fixated on OZONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! See a

shrink,Mabe you can still be saved!

Colin Campbell wrote:

> On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 23:38:51 -0800, barry cohen
> <abso...@aircleaners.com> wrote:
>
> >can live with your heat on. Next The alpine unit works well,but by what you stated
> >I believe that you had it turned up to high.Too much ozone will affect you just as
> >you stated .It only needs to be turned up to the point of just barely being able to
> >sense its odor.You can adjust the ozone output to almost nothing if needed.
>

> If you do not know what you are talking about stop giving dangerous
> advice. The human nose is not sensitive enough to detect ozone unless
> the levels are at dangerous levels. If you can smell ozone then you
> are probably at IDLH (Immediate Danger to Life or Health)
> concentrations.
>
> The blunt truth of the matter is that ozone generators do nothing to
> clean the air if the ozone levels are kept to a level that meets
> federal legal limits (which have nothing to do with safety - the
> safety limits are much lower).

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air Purifiers benefits?
Date: 14 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Wendy ,Save your money and buy a austin air health mate HEPA air cleaner. It
blows the others away!!!

Edith Norton wrote:

> Wendy Walcock wrote...
> >
> >
> >My daughter has asthma. How effective are air purifiers? Sure, I know
> >they don't hurt, but I was wondering if any body had used them and
> >noticed a real difference. I don't want to spend a lot of money on this
> >piece of equipment have the dust from the next room make it ineffective.
> >
> >W.O.W.
> >
>
> They /can/ work. I use a Honeywell air purifier, personally. It works
> for a radius of about 12 x 14 feet and captures particles .3 microns
> wide (pretty small). It's not like when I leave the room it's in I start
> wheezing, but I does make life easier. For instance, if I'm going to
> settle in the living room for the day, or when I'm sick, I drag it in
> there with me. If you're still skeptical, I suggest you buy one
> re-furbished (refurbished is actually better than new because the
> manufacturer fixed ANY problems the equipment might have had) from a
> place like http://www.ubid.com. I saw the model I own for about $50
> cheaper than what i bought it for, which didn't make me breathe any
> easier. But I love my purifier. I keep it on when I go to sleep to help
> prevent against any breathing problems when I'm asleep.
>
> Cheers, Edith

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air Duct Cleaning
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Hi Brett ,Barry here of www.aircleaners.com Heres your info, Proper source
removal air duct cleaning backed up with a aprox %90 self chargeing
electrostatic air filter can do great good for your indoor air quality. The
best job will be done with a powervac truck.Also make sure that after the ducts
are cleaned that the company foggs the system with the biocide oxcine to kill
bacteria and fungus. The portable units do not do a good job in most cases.Make
sure the air handler,blower motor and evap coil is also cleaned at the same
time. Call NADCA and ask them for a member with a powervac truck in your area.
Call them at 1-202-737-2926 Glenn fellman is the director. Good luck, Barry

karma wrote:

> Since October, when the forced air heating came on in my house, I have been
> suffering from achy sinuses, stuffed up nose at night, and red/irritated
> eyes. I believe this is from the blower blowing out dust, mold, and dog
> dander in the ductwork. I am thinking about having the ducts vacuumed out.
> Is this a good idea? Does the vacuuming just exhaust a lot of debris into
> the air? Should I be out of the house when they do the vacuuming? Obviously
> I would like the cleaning to do more good than harm. Any advice or past
> experiences with duct cleaning would be appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Brett

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YOUR RIGHT,I bet you guys both live in tents with both flaps open!

Claus Wunderbaum wrote:

> G'day Colin Campbell!
> On Wed, 13 Jan 1999 02:28:23 GMT you wrote:
>
> >Basically, the best way of reducing 'sick air' (whatever that is) is
> >to remove the source. The next best way is to ventilate with fresh
> >air.
>
> You're absolutely right. Don't waste money on useless gadgets.
>
> --
> - CW -
.

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>
> BA ad: "Breakfast in London. Lunch in New York." - Luggage in Tokyo.

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Barry here of www.aircleaners.com The best Hepa Air Cleaner by far is the
austin air healthmate. It is far better then the others!!

Laura wrote:

> Stand alone HEPA air cleaners can and are very effective in removing
> dust, particulate and in some cases odors and vapors( if the unit has a
> charcoal/carbon filter as well as HEPA). They DO NOT produce ozone.
> One of the best stand alone filters for both efficency and long life(
> unit and filters) is the Austin Air healthmate. Many asthmactics and
> allergy sufferers have found great relief with the healthmates,
> especially as used in the bedroom, where dust, dust mites etc..are most
> problemactic
> you might want to visit the EPA IAQ site or the Amercian Lung
> Association Site for more info on air cleaners.
> Best of luck
>
> --
>
> Best Regards,
> Laura
> Healthy Environments
> Healthy Homes and Workplaces
> http://www.healthyenvironments.com/index.html
> 800.511.7732

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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Barry here of www.aircleaners.com Hi randall, A HEPA air cleaner will be major
overkill in a house. It will cost well over $1000.00 and you will be forever climbing
up into your attic replacing pre filters.HEPAs dont fit into your air return.,But a
good 90%self chargeing electrostatic air filter will fit in there and will be easy to
keep clean. After the house is built get a proper source removel air duct cleaning
company [ WITH A POWERVAC TRUCK] to clean out the construction debris and then
install the said filter. For extra protection put a austin air healthmate HEPA room
air cleaner in anyones bedroom with allergies or asthma.Best of luck, Barry-----owner

Randall Cameron wrote:

> I am planning on building a new home and am interested in incorporating a HEPA
> filter for the H/AC system. Any suggestions, concerns, warnings would be greatly
> appreciated.

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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Joseph, Just so you know , you can save alot more money on a austin air unit
from www.aircleaners.com Much cheaper then the company as you stated.

Joseph Farran wrote:

> In article <369C5E3D...@aircleaners.com>,

> barry cohen <all...@aircleaners.com> wrote:
>
> >The very best HEPA air cleaner on the market is the austin air healthmate.
>

> Agreed! I have two Austin Health Mate units and they are fantastic -
> extremely well built, very large filter and quiet on the low setting.
> These units can be bought a lot cheaper directly from the company.
> See dejanews for details.
>
> Joseph

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Barry here of www.aircleaners.com .Heres your answer The austin air has many times more the air exchange rate per hour then the dept store units,It has 15
lbs of a coconut carbon -zeolite mixture in it to remove offgassing chemicals and odors . The others have a carbon dust injected into a paper or foam
prefilter that is wraped around the main filter. This carbon dust prefilter is worthless.The austin air requires no pain in the butt prefilters that need
to be replaced an average of every three months. The austin airs filter gets replaced aprox once every five years. To clean---just vac off when needed.
As far as the DB noise level goes you will have to call the factory for that one. But I can tell you that I have had and listened to many many other units
and the austin air is far more quiet then all of the others and my many customers all say the same thing. What they do say is " I could not sleep with the
other noisey units running at night but with the austin air running I cant sleep without it on at night. The slight white noise that it does produce helps
people to fall to sleep.I hope that this info has been helpfull to you.,------ Barry

NoS...@nowhere.com wrote:

> Barry,
>
> I'm in the market for a HEPA unit. Since it's up to me to do my homework,
> I'll start by asking you a few questions! ;-)
>
> -Why/how is the Austin Healthmate Ten times better?
> -What are the dB specs for this very quiet unit?
>
> Thanks for any info you can provide.
>
> Manny

>
> >Barry here of www.aircleaners.com The best HEPA air cleaner is the austin air
> >healthmate model Its more money then the cheaper dept store units ,but its Ten
> >times better and very quiet. Its up to you to do your homework and deal with a
> >salesman that you feel is telling you the truth and really knows what hes
> >talking about.Feel free to call anytime for more information on air cleaners .

> >Ill do the best that I can for you with no pressure to buy anything. I have>> >I am looking for an Air Filter that cleans 99.99% of the dirty air and

> >> >doesn't make alot of noise. So, Should I go with an Electro-static
> >> >cleaner(like the one sold at www.oreck.com) or should I go with a Regular
> >> >Hepa air cleaner(like holmes)?. How much should I spend for a air cleaner?.
> >> >Also, Do the Ionizer option in air cleaners really matter?.
> >> >
> >> This question is often asked, and there are always a bunch of salesmen
> >> lurking who will jump in with a post to steer you to some particular
> >> brand. Since I just expressed my opinion for someone else, I'm worn
> > out, but try to get an objective response.

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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Hey Claus I think that those narrow minded ozone haters are really a bunch of

glue and gas sniffers. or mabe their minds are fried because they took in a big

breathe of fresh ozone after a thunderstorm happened outside.They just cant
figure it out that small amounts of ozone can help and not hurt them Hey they
better not use their tooth paste with that poison flouride in it!

Claus Wunderbaum wrote:

> G'day <Dr...@email.msn.com>!
> On Sat, 16 Jan 1999 09:50:50 -0600 you wrote:
>
> >Considering the safety, the wide range and level of effectiveness, the cost
> >of energy and the make up of our current indoor environment it would
> >seem that the closest alternative to opening the window is to replace the
> >vitality of the air by replacing the ozone that occurs naturally outdoors
> >each day.
>
> You're so full of shit. And words.
>
> Do you actually mean that opening a window, or supplying fresh
> and filtered air through a ventilation unit, is a bad alternative to
> treating stale air with ozone?
>
> Only in America ...
>
> --
> - CW -
.

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From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air Cleaner Filters
Date: 18 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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TRY Home depot or any major dept store

Ginagail38 wrote:

> A few months ago, i accidentally came across a website that had "generic"
> filters for the Holmes Air Cleaners. I have an HAP560, and the replacement
> filters are over $50.00, if bought from Holmes. I need to replace these
> filters often, and I wonder if anyone has come across this site, since I can't
> find it now. Or, any suggestions on where I can look?
> Thanks,
> Susan

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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Not odd, most likey you think thats a HEPA in there. If you did have one in there, there
would be no air flow to your evap coil and it would freeze up and blow out your compressor
The overkill HEPA unit would need to be on your supply air side of your system with a large
large blower motor to help push the air through the dense HEPA filter and then down stream.
A good 90% self chargeing electrostatic air filter would do just fine without the pain and
cost of all of the prefilters needed to protect the HEPA filter. Chris a HEPA filter in a
house is a good thought but a waste of time ,money and with the other good quality filters
out there on the market ,"A dumb idea. Ask a few a/c contractors!
"C. A. Owens" wrote:

> Odd, isn't it, Barry, that I have a HEPA filter as an integral part of
> my air return? Guess you don't sell these, huh?
>
> Chris Owens
>
> barry cohen wrote:
> >
> > Barry here of www.aircleaners.com Hi randall, A HEPA air cleaner will be major
> > overkill in a house. It will cost well over $1000.00 and you will be forever climbing
> > up into your attic replacing pre filters.HEPAs dont fit into your air return.,But a
> > good 90%self chargeing electrostatic air filter will fit in there and will be easy to
> > keep clean. After the house is built get a proper source removel air duct cleaning
> > company [ WITH A POWERVAC TRUCK] to clean out the construction debris and then
> > install the said filter. For extra protection put a austin air healthmate HEPA room
> > air cleaner in anyones bedroom with allergies or asthma.Best of luck, Barry-----owner
> >
> > Randall Cameron wrote:
> >
> > > I am planning on building a new home and am interested in incorporating a HEPA
> > > filter for the H/AC system. Any suggestions, concerns, warnings would be greatly
> > > appreciated.

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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Sounds cool to me whiteHawk, and May the great spirit watch over you and
yours!

WhiteHawk wrote:

> Inhaling the smoke of Mullein is an ancient Indian way of treating
> respiratory problems. This is what I've done for several years and it
> does work very well for me. It works very quickly. I've not had to
> use an inhaler since I began doing this. In the old days, many Indian
> tribes would have the person suffering with "coughing spells" sit in a
> small mound hut and put mullein leaves on hot coals located in the
> center of the mound. The mound opening would be covered with an
> animal hide and the person inside would sit and breathe the smoking
> mullein. I am not saying that this will work for everyone, but I will
> say that it works for me. Dodadagohvi Tsogalii, Tawo'd UnegaTsalagi -
> "Cherokee"

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Sounds cool to me whiteHawk, and May the great spirit watch over you and
yours!
WhiteHawk wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE> Inhaling
the smoke of Mullein is an ancient Indian way of treating respiratory problems. 
This is what I've done for several years and it does work very well for
me.  It works very quickly.  I've not had to use an inhaler since
I began doing this. In the old days,  many Indian tribes would have
the person suffering with "coughing spells" sit in a small mound hut and
put mullein leaves on hot coals located in the center of the mound. 
The mound opening would be covered with an animal hide and the person inside
would sit and breathe the smoking mullein.  I am not saying that this
will work for everyone, but I will say that it works for me. Dodadagohvi
Tsogalii, Tawo'd
UnegaTsalagi
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From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Enviornment, and questions
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Barry here of www.aircleaners.com Good job Patti,Two pointers,The hepa
filter in the humidifier will only have a very small amount of air
exchanges per hour . If its in the budget buy the Austin Air Healthmate
HEPA Air Cleaner Its the best ,most user friendly and most powerfull HEPA
Air filter on the Market.and for the best HEPA and most friendly Vacuum
cleaner ,Get the miele medi-Vac. Best of luck,Barry

PattiBear wrote:

> Hi again :)
> Here are some steps we have taken to improve the enviornment:
>
> We have removed all the curtains from the babies room. Their
> mattresses already have plastic covers, and they do not use pillows. I
> washed there sheets and blankets in very hot water. I cannot remove
> the rug, because we rent. But I did put boiling water in the steam
> cleaner, and cleaned all the rugs in the house. I am not sure what to
> do about stuffed animals. The ones he doesn't pay attention to, I put
> in a bag out in the garage. The ones he HAS to have, I washed in hot
> water, and plan to wash them weekly with their laundry. We have
> stopped using our wood burning stove, and started using our baseboard
> heaters. I have purchased a humidifier for his room because the
> humitidy in the room was VERY low. (I have a hygrometer in there ).
> The humidifier has a hepa filter, and we are using distilled water. We
> have told all members of the family that when they visit, they *must*
> smoke outside, or not at all. We have moved our cat down to the kids
> room (They have a whole floor downstairs, where the baby is not
> allowed, and the cat is not allowed upstairs). We have been emptying
> the litter pan each night, and putting clean litter in. We would like
> to keep the cat if possible, he has been in the family very long, and
> the other boys would be heartbroken...but if we MUST get rid of him,
> we will. We have leather couches, so I just wiped them down, and wiped
> down the vertical blinds in the livingroom. We dont have any curtains
> in the main rooms of the house, just those blinds.
> Will buying a vacuum with a hepa filter help? I have 6 boys..so I HAVE
> to vacuum and dust EVERY day. I have been doing it while the baby naps
> upstairs, and have his door shut. Our home is very clean, and I clean
> daily, and wipe down the furniture in the babies room every other day.
> What more can I do?
>
> Thanks!
> Patti

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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Willy here does not know anything about proper air duct cleaning because he says
that he built his own toy that plugs into the wall. You could pee across the the
vacuum stream of such a weak piece of junk plug in the wall home made unit. A
power vac truck works off of the PTO {power take off unit } of the engine of the
truck that runs it. These units have a huge suction and air movement of between
12000 and 16000 cfm . They use a huge quincy air compresser in them that will
power a air tool caller a reverse air nozzle that crawls and spins throughout
the ductwork safely blowing loose the dirt and debris with up to 250 psi of
compressed air. This numb skull would most likely stick a hair dryer into each
vent opening or rip up your fiberduct with a round brush in a rectangular
duct.The only good point that he made was to plug pleated air filters but they
are about 10 bucks a piece for a good one ,A good electrostatic air filter is
just as good as pleated, but It will last for years and years compared to two
months at the most with a pleated filter.You dont need a HEPA filter on a power
vac truck because all of the dirt is being pulled outside into the truck. His
toy must be filtered because without one his toy will blow dirt through out your
house. Another point is if he is running such a low powered toy with a thick
HEPA filter on it ,the filter its self will block even more of its air flow.A
house does not have enough electricity 110 volts or 220volts to power a machine
large enough or powerfull enough to do a proper job.He brags about his toy ,then
he talks against duct cleaning. The bottom line is If your ducts have not been
cleaned in at least five years and your house or condo is always dusty even just
after you cleaned it. YOU should think about cleaning your airducts.IN A PROPER
MANOR! Then back up the job with a better air filter. It should take aprox 3-5
hours to clean a 2000 to 3000 sq foot house including the air handler unit with
a two man crew and a power vac truck ! Or you could listen to willy and live in
a dirty ,dusty, moldy house. Do your homework and you decide whats best your
family. Barry

msmi wrote:

> I will comment on Barry's comments to clarify some points.
>
> While many of his points are valid there are several I disagree with for the
> reasons indicated.
>
> First: A power vac truck is not needed to do duct cleaning. I have built a
> duct cleaning collector (true HEPA or ULPA) that will outperform those
> available commercially. I did this because I did not want to spend the money
> on something that did not perform to my quality standards which far exceed
> any one else's recommendations.
>
> Second: Electrostatic air cleaners are garbage. As are fiberglass filters
> and these gadget filters being marketed as cure alls. Independent lab
> research under new standards has proven most of these are ineffective at
> best. Use a good capacity pleated filter, do not use gadget filters or the
> like.
>
> Third: Why duct clean? Have you determined the ducts to be the problem or in
> need of cleaning. So often I am called in to consult after people have had
> the ducts "cleaned" and they have had nothing but vacuuming performed. Duct
> cleaning should take 1/2 to 1 day for 2 people on an average house with
> quality equipment. It should cost about $500 or more. If it does not then
> you should rethink. However before I suggest duct cleaning I find out your
> problem and then find the source or sources of your problem. Then we duct
> clean if needed.
>
> Fourth: Please consider all aspects before doing something, many of your
> symptoms could be as a result of other problems. Call a certified Indoor Air
> Quality Professional to examine your home as an integrated system. You may
> very well need duct cleaning but may need other things more than this. An
> IAQP can help and not cost you a lot to do it.
>
> Respectfully submitted by,
> William J. Parlapiano III
> Vice President of Marketing &
> Chief Operations Officer
> Mechanical Systems Maintenance Inc.
> http://www.albany.net/~msmi1800
> mail to: msmi...@albany.net
> barry cohen wrote in message <36A05249...@aircleaners.com>...
> >Hi Brett ,Barry here of www.aircleaners.com Heres your info, Proper source
> >removal air duct cleaning backed up with a aprox %90 self chargeing
> >electrostatic air filter can do great good for your indoor air quality. The
> >best job will be done with a powervac truck.Also make sure that after the
> ducts
> >are cleaned that the company foggs the system with the biocide oxcine to
> kill
> >bacteria and fungus. The portable units do not do a good job in most
> cases.Make
> >sure the air handler,blower motor and evap coil is also cleaned at the same
> >time. Call NADCA and ask them for a member with a powervac truck in your
> area.
> >Call them at 1-202-737-2926 Glenn fellman is the director. Good luck, Barry
> >
> >karma wrote:
> >
> >> Since October, when the forced air heating came on in my house, I have
> been
> >> suffering from achy sinuses, stuffed up nose at night, and red/irritated
> >> eyes. I believe this is from the blower blowing out dust, mold, and dog
> >> dander in the ductwork. I am thinking about having the ducts vacuumed
> out.
> >> Is this a good idea? Does the vacuuming just exhaust a lot of debris into
> >> the air? Should I be out of the house when they do the vacuuming?
> Obviously
> >> I would like the cleaning to do more good than harm. Any advice or past
> >> experiences with duct cleaning would be appreciated.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >> Brett
> >
> >
> >

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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Yes both must be done for the best results.

"C. A. Owens" wrote:

> karma wrote:
> >
> > Since October, when the forced air heating came on in my house, I have been
> > suffering from achy sinuses, stuffed up nose at night, and red/irritated
> > eyes. I believe this is from the blower blowing out dust, mold, and dog
> > dander in the ductwork. I am thinking about having the ducts vacuumed out.
> > Is this a good idea? Does the vacuuming just exhaust a lot of debris into
> > the air? Should I be out of the house when they do the vacuuming? Obviously
> > I would like the cleaning to do more good than harm. Any advice or past
> > experiences with duct cleaning would be appreciated.
>
> When done right, duct cleaning does result in removal of debris from the
> ducts without it being vented into the air. However, it is, at very
> best, a temporary solution. Putting filters on your intakes, furnace,
> and vents is a more effective long-term remedy.
>
> Chris Owens

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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Barry here of www.aircleaners.com Im not trying to sell you anything.I
will answer your question. The difference between the two filters is very
little. Both filters will catch smoke particles with no problems. Smoke is
large enough to be captured into both filters.In most cases the ulpa filter
is sold as a sales gimmick to outsell the HEPA filter. The people that
need to use ulpa filters are drug and chemical companies using them for
sensitive spills and cleanups where the microns really count.There are many
better quality HEPA filtered air cleaners and vacuum cleaners on the market
over a lesser quality made ULPA filtered machine.For most uses the ULPA is
overkill. It also restricts more airflow to the unit that is powering it. I
hope that this has been helpfull to you., Barry

Sue G wrote:

> I'm on another mailing list, where someone asked the following, and I'm
> interested too. Does anybody have any feedback about this? I'd prefer
> responses from those who are not salespeople. Thanks.
>
> I was looking at the Sears catalogue tonight (from
> Canada), and found a "new" filter. I don't know how long it's been
> out,
> but I hadn't ever noticed it before. It is an ULPA filter. This one
> says that unlike the HEPA filter that only filters down to 0.3 microns,
> the ULPA filter filters things as small as 0.1 microns in diameter. I
> would assume that this means it does an even better job. Does anyone
> have any information about these filters, and/or opinions on which is
> best?
>
> Would any of them satisfactorily filter out the toxins in Cigarette
> smoke, or are those too small to be filtered?
>
> I'd appreciate anything anyone has to say about these 2, and their
> differences (either pro or con).
>
> Sue
> s...@efn.org

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
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HI C.A., Barry here of www.aircleaners.com Heres your answer: Dont buy either air
filter. Both units are of poor quality in my opinion. They are low powered, they
have a very low rate of air exchange per hour and they are noisey. The very best
HEPA air cleaner on the market is the Austin Air healthmate model. Its a bit more
expensive then the lower quality dept store units,But its ten times better and more
user friendly in all ways. If money is a factor, your still better off waiting
until you can get this unit.Ask anyone that owns one and they will tell you the same
thing.Best of luck,Barry

"C. A. Owens" wrote:

> bru...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> >
> > I'm thinking of buying a Hunter Air Cleaner for my bedroom (14 X 16) to help
> > with allergies/asthma. The model I'm looking at is $89 and is called the
> > 30065. It has a CADR (whatever that means) of 150 and 200 CFM and an ionizer
> > built in.
> >
> > Is this a good model? or should I buy the more expensive Honeywell? or does it
> > really matter? I'd appreciate any help.
>
> Don't buy ANY ionizing air-system. The ozone they produce is dangerous
> to asthmatics.
>
> Chris Owens

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I just read willys web site ,you can too . He sells uv light systems to place
into a/c systems. These type of units produce uncontrolled amounts of ozone
which flow through your ductwork into your indoor air. The high levels of ozone
produced by these units cause burning eyes , throats and headaches. I f you
wanted a ozone unit ,a alpine air unit would be much better because you can
control the ozone level down to almost zero and you also get the benefit of a
radio ionizer to drop floating particles out of the air. Thats one way willy
would try to sell you on how to keep your ductwork clean. BS BS BS all the way.

msmi wrote:

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Subject: Re: whole house HEPA
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Chris, Still you do not know what your talking about !! This is just for you. There are two, yes
Two sides to your a/c system . The supply side ,this is where your air comes out from, into your
air ducts and then into the rooms. This is the only side that your so called over kill HEPA air
filter could be installed. I have already explained to you why! Next you have the Return air
side . This is where the air from inside of your house RETURNS BACK INTO YOUR SYSTEM to be
retreated with cold or warm air and then the air is sent back through the air handler and then
back to the supply side over and over again.I will repeat ,A HEPA filter will not work on the
return side even with a blower fan because it will restrict air flow to your evap coil, which
will cause damage to your system.A good 40% pleated air filter or a good 90% self charging
electrostatic air filter would work just fine in your system Can you understand this???? I
think that I am qualified to answer your question , since I have a class B state air
conditioning contractors license. I have been in this field for over ten years.

"C. A. Owens" wrote:

> barry cohen wrote:
> >
> > Not odd, most likey you think thats a HEPA in there. If you did have one in there, there
> > would be no air flow to your evap coil and it would freeze up and blow out your compressor
> > The overkill HEPA unit would need to be on your supply air side of your system with a large
> > large blower motor to help push the air through the dense HEPA filter and then down stream.
>
> Barry, the air return IS supply-side. And, I had a furnace with an
> oversize motor installed specifically because I was putting in the
> filter.
>
> > A good 90% self chargeing electrostatic air filter would do just fine without the pain and
> > cost of all of the prefilters needed to protect the HEPA filter.
>
> Not for what I needed, Barry. Amazing how you can diagnose over the
> 'net.
>
> Chris Owens

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Chris, Still you do not know what your talking about !! This is just for
you. There are two, yes Two sides to your a/c  system . The supply
side ,this is where your air comes out from, into your air ducts and then
into the rooms. This is the only side that your so called over kill HEPA
air filter could be installed. I have already explained  to you why! 
Next you have the Return air side . This is where the air from inside of
your house RETURNS BACK INTO YOUR SYSTEM  to be     
retreated  with cold or warm air and then the air is sent back through
the air handler and then back to the supply side over and over again.I
will repeat ,A HEPA filter will not work on the return side even with a
blower fan because it will restrict air flow to your evap coil, which will
cause damage to your system.A good 40% pleated air filter or a good 90%
self charging electrostatic air filter would work just fine in your system 
Can you understand this????    I think that I am qualified
to answer your question , since I have a class B  state air conditioning
contractors license. I have been in <tt>this field for over ten years.</tt>
"C. A. Owens" wrote:
<blockquote TYPE=CITE>barry cohen wrote:
 >
 > Not odd, most likey you think thats a HEPA in there. If you did have
one in there, there
 > would be no air flow to your evap coil and it would freeze up and
blow out your compressor
 > The overkill HEPA unit would need to be on your supply air side of
your system with a large
 > large blower motor to help push the air through the dense HEPA filter
and then down stream.
Barry, the air return IS supply-side.  And, I had a furnace with
an
 oversize motor installed specifically because I was putting in the
 filter.
> A good 90% self chargeing electrostatic air filter would do just fine
without the pain and
 > cost of all of the prefilters needed to protect the HEPA filter.
Not for what I needed, Barry.  Amazing how you can diagnose over
the
 'net.
Chris Owens</blockquote>
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"C. A. Owens" wrote:

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Hi willy, Barry here, First of all, dont give me your disabled veteran sob story
to try to get brownie points from the public. This has zero bearing on your
credibility. I also have been in the indoor air quality industry for over ten
years.In the field doing the work and planning the jobs , Jobs for the USA
goverment , school systems, huge factories .,dept stores, shopping malls,
hospitals. research labs,medical labs and many more.I have been a member of many
indoor quality associations including NADCA and have done many Radio talk
shows,Tv interveiws,and have helped more then a few authors write chapters in
their books and research papers. I dont care how many people that you have BSest
into thinking that you have the proper equipment and knowledge to do the job
correctly.The bottom line still is that there is not a duct cleaning machine on
earth that runs on 115 volts that can create the CFMs needed to pull the debris
out of a airduct system more then a very very short distance.{a few feet}Since
most systems have very limited access through walls turns and ceilings. yours or
any other 115 volt toy can not pull enough CFM to remove the debris in these
areas. The best and proper way to clean these areas is by cutting access
openings in exposed duct work aprox every eight feet and hand vacuuming with a
Portable hepa vac on the surface of the ductwork. Then after the area has been
cleaned and sanitized the area must be closed in the proper manor.If the areas
to be cleaned do not have the access to get to as in a duct system in a tight
attic area ,ONLY A POWER VAC TRUCK UNIT CAN CLEAN THESE AREAS with its huge CFM
capability You state that you dont clean fiber duct because its a carcinogen.
Well that also has no bearing on actually having the correct equipment to clean
it in the proper manor. Many tests have been done on fiber duct and every time
they come out that it is not a carcinogen! I dont like fiber duct either but it
does get dirty and I do have the proper equipment to clean it and do a good
job.And air duct cleaning is my job!
I have the best equipment to do any job properly, even fiberduct. Dont give me
your bull about not being able to clean fiberduct. You want to keep this up Mr
veteran go ahead!!
msmi wrote:

> Dear Group,
>
> I apologize in advance for taking the groups space for this but it was
> needed to clarify some issues and set the record straight.
>
> Now, Mr. Cohen.....
>
> First of all I am not Willy... My name is William and my friends and
> colleagues call me Bill. I am a partially disabled, decorated United States
> Army veteran who served honorably and gave you the right to make such harsh
> comments about someone whom you do not know.
>
> I am hardly a novice who builds "toys" or applies inappropriate techniques
> or technologies. I have worked for over 10 years in the IEQ industry and
> have a team of well known professionals with whom I work each and every day.
> These are people at all levels and facets of business both private & public
> and at all levels of government. We respect each other and use constructive
> criticism and peer review to grow.
> We as a team have worked in some of the most prestigious places in the
> country and have been called on by others around the world for our knowledge
> and professional services. This we do not accomplish by using "toys",
> selling garbage, or providing ill advised information to our clients.
>
> I guess the points I provided to you can not allow you to enhance your
> knowledge because you are so thick headed. (Sorry, to stoop to your level)
> It is obvious you do not use your mind and apply a thinking process the same
> way we do. As for your vac truck it probably works good, but my point was
> not that it is bad, it is that it is unneeded if you have the right tools,
> equipment and training.
>
> Second of all the UV systems I offer are non ozone producing. I have test
> results to prove this and I am a consultant who has been working with policy
> makers and others and I am against the indiscriminate use of ozone. Just for
> your knowledge. By the way when you read through the UV lit. You will note
> it says right on it NON OZONE PRODUCING.....IF YOU WERE FAMILIAR WITH THE
> TECHNOLOGY YOU WOULD KNOW THERE WAS OZONE PRODUCING AND NON OZONE PRODUCING
> LAMPS AVAILABLE....But that would involve thought and that is quite
> evidently beyond your skill set.
>
> Shall we continue to make personal attacks...When you attack me I attack
> back it is human nature. I can be very ferocious. If you want to go toe to
> toe with me.....we can go. I use a simple technique...Its called kill or be
> killed, guess what I still live...and I have been faced by some savage
> beasts in my time.
>
> Third, for your information the duct cleaning collector we built does not
> have to collect indoors, it can collect outdoors or indoors. It uses HEPA
> because your are not supposed to exhaust harmful contaminants into the air.
> (Guess what unless some technological advance in bag filters or others has
> occurred since my last meeting with my nationally known filter company a few
> days ago, I do not believe there are any other filters that will capture the
> harmful contaminants in the sub micron range I am concerned with.) Since
> most of the remediation projects I work on require filtration at these
> levels I guess we will use HEPA.
>
> I guess people like you who are such duct cleaning wizards do not care
> because you are only concerned about dust, the "invincible" dust mite and
> dog hair and dander. But that's just my opinion I could be wrong.....and I
> would accept critique if I was.
>
> Shall I keep going Mr. Cohen....
>
> Our system runs on 110v because we found a motor, belt driven fan and
> chassis assembly that makes it very convenient to use the system in any
> building in America with power. I has met our requirements for air movement,
> pressure drops, etc.. As for it not working, I have several well known
> reputable, NADCA certified companies and ASCS technicians in various areas
> across the country with whom I network that are very interested in my
> design. Why because it works and it works well. In addition I have used it
> under close scrutiny in several microbial remediation projects myself
> including projects for the state of New York. Guess what....it far exceeded
> the standards for remediation that were set and tested for by an independent
> test agency.
>
> As for myself and my company we have formal education's and are certified in
> the fields in which we work. We all work daily in the field and are not
> suede shoes, suit & tie wearing, salespeople. We do not offer "bullshit" to
> customers and do not sell clients garbage. We do not get paid incentives for
> selling crap and I could care less if I get a job. My goal is to make people
> comfortable.
> I will tell you this much, if my customers problems are not corrected then I
> will not sleep until I or another professional fixes them.
>
> So Mr. Cohen ,you should reserve comments until you know facts.
>
> Finally, the comment about the hair dryer and fiber duct is really low and I
> needed to address it.
> You said, "This numb skull would most likely stick a hair dryer into each
> vent opening or rip up your fiberduct with a round brush in a rectangular
> duct."
> I do not use fiberglass ducts AT ALL and I will not clean them...
> In case you did not know FIBERGLASS is being investigated as a possible
> carcinogen.
> As for the hair dryer idea, I would only use this method if I was back in
> the Army, in a POW situation in need of an escape and evasion, diversion. It
> really would not be effective for much else and I think even you could
> understand that logic.
>
> So you can make attacks on professional colleagues or you can use the
> INTERNET and the people who use it as a tool to learn from each other. I
> suggest the latter. It works really well and prevents hostility and harsh
> words from being exchanged. I have no problem if you know the person is full
> of bull, but be sure you get your facts straight before you hammer home. I
> think a public apology is in order here.
>
> Respectfully submitted by,
> William J. Parlapiano III
> Vice President of Marketing &
> Chief Operations Officer
> Mechanical Systems Maintenance Inc.
> http://www.albany.net/~msmi1800
> mail to: msmi...@albany.net

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: HEPA vs. ULPA filters
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Wily you are an idiot, Try reading the post. The lady is asking about
affordable air filters for her Home.The unit that I am talking about is a
tested HEPA filter which will do a fine job for her smoke problem. What I
stated is the truth, There are companies with poor filter case designs with
poor air seal ability to their ulpa filter. Poor design of the overall unit
even with a point .o1 micron ulpa filter means that a better designed unit
with a HEPA filter is the best choice for the consumer. . I repeat .Some
companies use ulpa filters as a sales gimmick even though there are Better
HEPA filtered units on the market that are better made, sealed, much higher
rate of air exchange per hour,stronger CFM of air flow coming from the
blower motor,quieter, Higher amounts of coconut carbon zeolite blends to
remove gasses from smoke and chemicals. and so on. All your doing willy, is
trying to start trouble with me.In doing so your sending out the wrong
message to the lady and most likely ,your frustrating her more then she is
now. DONT THREATEN ME MISTER! I have the right to answer questions
posted to the newsgroup just as you do. You are acting like a fool and It
takes away the little credibility that you may still have! Barry

Sue G wrote:

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Hi Mary,Barry here of www.aircleaners.com The noise that you hear is the motor
straining to push the air through the dirty filter.This is not good and if you dont
keep up with your more often then you expected filter changes ,your motors life will
be greatly reduced.Im glad that the honeywells noise does not bother your child. Many
people cant stand its noise and dont consider the noise to be white.Next time you
consider buying a new HEPA air cleaner. Check out the Austin Air HEPA air cleaner
Healthmate model. Most people think that they cant be beat! Have a nice day,Barry

Mary wrote:

> We've run a large Honeywell HEPA cleaner 24 hours a day in my kids'
> bedroom for the past year and a half. We run it on low, but it's still
> quite loud. Originally, I was concerned about them being able to sleep
> with that noise, but it's actually turned out great. It blocks out noise
> from the tv in the living room, the sound of jet skis on the lake in the
> summer, and the sound of snowmobiles on the lake in the winter. That
> "white noise" helps them go to sleep.
>
> I bought a cleaner rated for a living room, and run it on low in a 12 x
> 15 bedroom. This model uses prefilters that are supposed to be changed
> every 6 months, but I find that I need to change it every 4 months. If
> the prefilter gets too clogged, I can hear a change in the motor.
>
> Mary
>
> Susan wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > I know you guys don't get questions like this very often, but just reading this
> > newsgroup, I think you all know quite a bit about air cleaners, good and bad.
> > Well, here goes. My husband snores like a porch dog, and we both have
> > allergies to pollen, dust, etc. Not bad, just annoying. What I would like to
> > know, is which HEPA air cleaner makes enough noise to mask the snoring, and
> > also cleans the air, so that we can BOTH get a good nights sleep. I bought a
> > Holmes 560, and it seemed to work pretty good for a while, but the filters are
> > not carried by anyone local, plus they are $49.00 apiece, plus $10.00 shipping
> > & handling by Holmes. I really think that the reason it worked great when I
> > bought it, is that the filter needs to be replaced bi-monthly. I bought the
> > unit at Target, and I think it's a slow selling model, therefore they don't
> > carry the filters. Also, it would be nice to have a machine that makes a
> > louder droning noise. Please, no alpine dealers reply. I used to be an Alpine
> > dealer, and I am now sitting on 4 machines that I in all good conscience cannot
> > sell. If the rest of you guys have been annoyed by a loud air cleaner, PLEASE
> > give me the name of it, as that is what I want. (Told you it was a strange
> > question, but I'm dead serious) By the way, if any of the Alpine dealers would
> > like to buy my stock of XL15s, I will sell them to you way below my cost!! (S.
> > California)S

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air Purification Units - The Truth
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Your not a scientist ,your just a BSer doing a not so good job for a A/C
company. Your statements prove to me that you dont know what your talking about
when you give improper information on the very field that you try to make a
living in! Barry

msmi wrote:

> I had not known that Barry Cohen is another unscientific person who likes to
> attack us scientists doing things with substantiating evidence. This would
> explain his comments to me on another post regarding duct cleaning, UV and
> filtration.
>
> Respectfully submitted by,
> William J. Parlapiano III
> Vice President of Marketing &
> Chief Operations Officer
> Mechanical Systems Maintenance Inc.
> http://www.albany.net/~msmi1800
> mail to: msmi...@albany.net

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Hey harold,Read the post--Im not against alpine units,you turkey. Im for them because
the ozone output can be adjusted to a proper level. I like and support the benefits of
ozone and Alpine units. Im against UV light systems that put out uncontrolled amounts
of ozone into the air which in turn can then cause problems!!!! Barry, your comrade

Harold Spatz wrote:

> Or maybe Barry is aware as I am of the many positive results people
> including asthmatics and heavy allergy sufferers have had from using
> ozone.
>
> Or he could also be aware as I am that mountain air contains a light
> percentage (up to.05 ppm) of ozone and what it does in the air. In my
> case I know that our machines have a sensor control to prevent it from
> even reaching THAT level. You are telling me that fresh mountain air
> is unsafe to breathe ?
>
> I know of NO case in Alpine history where ozone has been proven to
> have harmed the consumer in any way. Alpine has been in business for
> over 12 years. They will do approximately $1 Billion in sales this
> year. In today's litigious atmosphere you can darn well guarantee
> that if we were anywhere even close to dangerous as you suggest we'd
> have been sued YEARS ago. Instead we hear a lot of positive feedback
> from our customers.
>
> One point I find ludicrous here is all this crap on ozone but very
> little on the "accepted" drugs most of which have very serious
> documented side effects. But we see no challenge to these.
>
> Well, I'd predict that we will see ozone emerge over the next few
> years as one of the major tools against indoor air pollution. I'd be
> curious to see what these folks will say then.
>
> For those in here that are a bit more open-minded if I can I'll offer
> a free trial of an Alpine air purifier for a week in your home. You
> tell me what it does for the air there. I have to reserve the right
> to limit that a bit by location and availability. I may also be able
> to throw in a Companion Air electrostatic heating/AC system filter. (
> Up to a $69 value) You be the judge as to how this works in your
> home.
>
> Harold Spatz
> Independent Alpine Dealer
> I help people breathe easier,
> I help people make money by
> showing them how to do the same thing.
>
> On Tue, 19 Jan 1999 10:19:12 -0500, "C. A. Owens"
> <cao...@redsuspenders.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >
> >barry cohen wrote:
> >>
> >> Hey Claus I think that those narrow minded ozone haters are really a bunch of

> >> glue and gas sniffers. or mabe their minds are fried because they took in a big

> >> breathe of fresh ozone after a thunderstorm happened outside.They just cant
> >> figure it out that small amounts of ozone can help and not hurt them
> >
> >Gee, Barry, maybe we are aware of the scientific evidence to that
> >effect; which you persistently ignore.
> >
> >Chris Owens

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GOOD RIDDANCE and good bye,

msmi wrote:

> You know what Barry I do not have time to waste on your childish games. If
> you want to carry on some intelligent dialogue then I will chat otherwise
> good bye.

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Kristin,I see that your handle is swamplands Question-Do live in a swampy or
high humidity area? Is your home musty or moldy? Have you had a roof leak in the
past? Is the area that you live in have alot of air pollution or is it smokey
,do to smoke or fires in the area? The constant cough may be due to molds in
your environment or due do some kind of air pollution exposure.
Try to look at your environment inside and around your home. If you can, try
taking a trip to an area that the environment is different from where you
live.Or have you taken a trip somewhere and have noticed better health for your
children? If you allergy test the kids test for molds and airborn allergies.
Also check for allergies to blooming trees and flowers that grow in your area.If
you wear purfume stop at once. Cut all sented chemicals and air fresheners in
your home. Best of luck,Barry
Swamp Lands wrote:

> hi again....
>
> it seems like i have been living at the docs. office lately!!Between my 7
> yo. with asthma and my 5 yo. with chronic cough. Anyways......i took my 5
> yo. to the doc. last night for a check up. He took one look at her and said
> she had allergies. Said she had the classic signs.....dark circles under her
> eyes...chronic cough. So i asked him to do allergy testing for her. He said
> they only do skin testing for those patients who are "miserable". I guess my
> little girls coughing for the last 5 months dosen't qualify her as
> miserable. He perscribed some decongestant and anithistimine.....and told me
> to get a mattress cover and bag her pillow..(all of which i already have
> done because she shares her room with my 7yo. with asthma). Anyway he seemed
> to think allergy shots were horrible and that we should not put her through
> shots . I know this is long....i'm sorry i'm just so upset with this
> doctor....I was wondering if any of you have or had taken allergy
> shots........is it really that bad and are they really helpfull? MY daughter
> coughs constantly and always has post nasal drip.
>
> kristin

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Val the prefilter is needed on your unit to protect the HEPA Filter.

Valerie replace nospam with neu Ohm wrote:

> On 20 Jan 1999 00:07:20 GMT, Ginagail38 <ginag...@aol.com> wrote:
> >Hi,
> >also cleans the air, so that we can BOTH get a good nights sleep. I bought a
> >Holmes 560, and it seemed to work pretty good for a while, but the filters are
> >not carried by anyone local, plus they are $49.00 apiece, plus $10.00 shipping
> >& handling by Holmes.
>
> You shouldn't have to change the HEPA filter more than once every couple
> of *years*. If you mean the carbon pre-filter, I've had my Honeywell
> for over two years and have never replaced the carbon pre-filter.
> Doesn't make a whit of difference if you aren't using the cleaner to
> remove strong odors - that's pretty much all the carbon does.
>
> FWIW, anything higher than the low setting on my Honeywell is impossible
> to sleep through without earplugs.
>
> -valerie
> valerie at ece dot neu dot edu

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air Purification Units - The Truth
Date: 22 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Your just a idiot!

Woodinat wrote:

> >Subject: Re: Air Purification Units - The Truth

> >From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
> >Date: 1/20/99 9:45 PM Eastern Standard Time
> >Message-id: <36A694DA...@aircleaners.com>
> >
>
> Barry wrote:
>
> >Your not a scientist ,your just a BSer doing a not so good job for a A/C
> >company. Your statements prove to me that you dont know what your talking
> >about
> >when you give improper information on the very field that you try to make a
> >living in! Barry
> >
>
> And your inability to write properly proves you have no idea what you're
> talking about. Really, do you expect us to accept "factual" information about
> ozone from you when you're so uneducated you don't know when to say "your" and
> when to say "you're"? Go back to third grade, and learn spelling and grammar
> before you try to "enlighten" us once more.
>
> Woodinat, who thinks you've been sniffing to much ozone
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------
> Joel: What do you want for Christmas, Crow?
> Crow: I wanna decide who lives and who dies
> Joel: Oh, I don't know...
> -------------------------------------------------------------------

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Really really strange question
Date: 23 Jan 1999 00:00:00 GMT
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Peter Your A JERK!! All I did was to answer her question and give her the best
advice. There is not one statement that says buy from me. Why dont you take care of
your own problems or post something of value.

Peter Fitzsimmons wrote:

> barry cohen wrote:
> >
> > Hi Mary,Barry here of www.aircleaners.com The noise that you hear is the motor
>
> Can we get rid of these blatant solicitations somehow?

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Really really strange question
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Good going Harold,There are so many jerks out here in cyber world. LET IT BE KNOWN
PEOPLE AND CYBER JERKS, Just because some of us use our business name as part of our
signature,. we can answer the post or give our advice,We are not spamming as long
as we dont ask for a sale from the newsgroup or push ourselves on anyone.

Harold Spatz wrote:

> Both Barry and I offer products beneficial to folks with allergies
> though we do so for different companies. We both also post more than
> just "pitches." As far as blatant goes... There are other folks in
> here representing other companies that do the same. I am very clear
> as to who I am and what I'm doing. I work as an independent dealer
> with Alpine air and water purification products. You usually know
> that within the first paragraph of any sales-oriented post. My goal
> is to make people aware of our company and its potentially
> life-changing products.
>
> If you have a problem with my posts or those of any other folks in
> here for any reason most newsreaders have a filter option which will
> prevent you from seeing them. Use it.
>
> Harold Spatz
>
> Proud to be an
>
> Independent Alpine Dealer
> I help people breathe easier,
> I help people make money by
> showing them how to do the same thing.
>
> I help people breathe easier,
> I help people make money by
> showing them how to do the same thing.
>
> On Thu, 21 Jan 1999 04:33:15 -0500, Peter Fitzsimmons <pf...@ican.net>
> wrote:
>
> >barry cohen wrote:
> >>
> >> Hi Mary,Barry here of www.aircleaners.com The noise that you hear is the motor
> >
> >Can we get rid of these blatant solicitations somehow?

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Air "cleaners" make me worse!??
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Hey art ,Stay out of those thunderstorms. Hold your breath! The ozone

produced from the lighting will burn out your lungs and melt you from the
inside out and turn you into a glob of ozonated goo!

Art M wrote:

> Ozone is poison. Period.
>
> And you're poison, too. The only reason you're here is to make a buck
> off of those too naive to see you for what you are, a leech.
>
> Buzz off!
>
> ArtM

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Allergy Vacuum Help??
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Barry here of www.aircleaners.com The rainbow rated very poor with consumer
reports.Plus its not a HEPA Filtered vacuum. I used to sell nilfisk but I switched
to the miele medi- vac. It works great and its ten times more user friendly then
the nilfisk GM-90 This is not a spam .Its my feelings about these Vacuum units,

"nospam@this bear" wrote:

> x-no-archive: yes
>
> Karen wrote:
> >
> > Ed Harty wrote:
> > >
> > > Does anyone have any suggestions for a vacuum suitable for someone with
> > > allergies and chemical sensitivities? I have been using a Nilfisk vacuum
> > > for a couple of years with pretty good results. However, it has lately
> > > picked up some odors in the HEPA filter as well as the motor itself. I
> > > am sure that the odors are a result of vacuuming up dog fur and dander
> > > from the carpet. I am not allergic to dogs but I am very sensitive to
> > > the odors that seem to multiply in the vacuum bag and filters. Is anyone
> > > aware of a HEPA/ULPA vac that also has a significant amount of charcoal
> > > in the filter to absorb odors?
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > > Ed
> > Ed -
> >
> > I have asthma, and smells used to bother me quite a bit. (asthma is
> > under control now) For many years, I have been using a Rainbow sweeper.
> > All the dirt is trapped in water - there is no bag or filter. It's
> > messy to empty, but it does pick up a lot, and there isn't any dust
> > smell coming through a bag or filter.
>
> Hi Karen and Ed,
>
> I have used a Rainbow vacuum for about 15 years, and I couldn't be
> happier with it. They are well made, and parts and service availability
> has been excellent. Totally factory rebuilt units can be purchased
> through the dealers, and they are considerably cheaper than the new
> units. They are great for picking up pet hair.
>
> And NO, I don't sell them! :!)
>
> ........Best Wishes.......Bear.......

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Dust Mite Allergy
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You may never get rid of it.You live in a city where you can cut the air
pollution with a knife.Its everywhere all day long. I bet that if you flew
down to florida or colorado for a week it would go away untill you came
back!

Andrew Swartz wrote:

> About 3 months ago, I was diagnosed with a dust mite allergy based on
> the RAST blood test. I have got air cleaners (HEPA) for my apartment
> (NYC - only hardwood floors, no fabrics or no drapes) and Medibed
> anti-allergy bedding (bedding is washed frequently). I irrigate daily
> with the Grossan (sp?) Waterpik system to keep my sinuses clear. I take
> Nasonex once daily. While I'm much better than before, I'm still having
> a lot of clear post-nasal drip. What else can I do to improve my
> situation? Are allergy shots a consideration? What about Claratin? If
> it matters, I'm 27. Thanks in advance.
>
> Andy

From: barry cohen <abso...@aircleaners.com>
Subject: Re: Water vacuums to finally relieve asthma
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Water Vacuums are not as good as a true HEPA vac The miele is the best!!!

SWCMD52963 wrote:

> Yes I have heard of water vacuums. I own one. It is a Rainbow vacuum. I have
> had the vacuum for over 6 years. Are the water vacuums truely better than the
> newer vacuums with the HEPA filters?? Thanks.

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