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"Stinkerton" upstages Madama Butterfly (To Bruce and My Friends)

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RO...@webtv.net

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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Okey, Mr. Stinkerton otherwise known as Brucie, I knew it. You are not
a journalist but really a tenor determined to finally "upstage" Madama
Butterfly!!

I can't believe this! Here I am in my finest hour singing my "Un Bel
Di" with my high C soaring to the Heavens preparing to jab the dagger
into my breast, and "Stinkerton" as usual not knowing what act he is
supposed to be in, comes storming on stage with his troop of escapees
from "Alt.Support.Cuckoos" and tears the dagger from my hand singing the
"Addio fiorito asil"! Puccini is turning in his grave!! I mean what
is it with the "confession". I could have gone out in great "Grand
Opera" style. Well, I'll be dammed if I let il tenor destroy my great
tragic scene. Last tenor that tried to do that, I ruined his life by
marrying him! He's NEVER been the same since! <g> So now I feel I MUST
return if only to plot my "next" finest hour (of revenge on
Stinkerton)!<g>

BTW, you guys must really belong in "Alt.Support.Cuckoos" if you really
want something like ME back. I give you fair warning. The majority of
opera roles I learned were Lucia (she goes completely bonkers and kills
her hubby) Madama Butterfly (she don't have no hubby so kills herself
instead) Tosca (jumps off a paraphet), Violetta from Traviata and Mimi
(die of consumption) and Gilda from Rigoletto (who stupidly literally
gets "knifed in the sack"). So I steer to being toward the tragic
melodramatic side. I was never too good at comedy (at least until I
entered THIS asylum). SO to Brucie or any others who trigger off my
"emotions" prepare yourself thusly. I love hard, cry hard, and "fight"
hard! But loving is what I like to do most so since this is the best
place to do it,   I return singing: " Sempre Libera" (and please
someone hold Brucie off stage until I finish. <g> Thanks guys for being
so understanding about my circumstances and making me feel so welcome
inspite of it. I love you all!!

Mary


Shirley Richardson

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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Hi Mary, Welcome back.

Shirley R. (shirlgirl)

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Bruce W.

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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You're talking to a guy whose letter opener is inscribed:

To die with honor when one can no longer live with honor.

How you gonna win against someone who knows your part so well?

<g>

Bruce \/\/.
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And it's Lt. Stinkerton, if you please. RHIP

Kitty Kelly

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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Whew!!! We're all safe from Kenny''s snapping boxers! Thanks for saving
us Mary Moo Moo! Your Farewell/Welcome Back dinner is tonight at 8 !!

-g-

Kitty


Greg Myers

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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So I >>>steer <<< to being toward the tragic
melodramatic side. I was never too good at comedy

Pun intended, Mme Moo??

You know you'll never be able to leave this asylum. We'll feel your big
brown cow eyes lurking in the bushes no matter how far you try to stay away.
Even if you say "Till the cows come home"

Uv

RO...@webtv.net

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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You know me Friends. The "show" must go on! Even if I have to let
Brucie "understudy" my part at times. All it takes is a good punch to
his gut and he hits those "high" notes almost as good as I do. (I said
"almost")<g> And he looks so GREAT in those "tights" when he does the
Duke in Rigoletto!!

Also, Kitty, I had to return to protect Kenny. He wouldn't stand a
chance around us once we got his "boxers" off!!! Right Ladies??<g> I
bet this was the quickest Debut/Farewell/Return any singer or moo cow
ever had! Thanks for bringing me back from retirement. See you at the
"party".

Madama La Moo


Kitty Kelly

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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No problemo Madama La Moo -

We'll just install a revolving door here on the ng. That way whenever
someone gets a wild hair, they can make an Oscar worthy farewell speech,
take a few spins in the door to let centrifugal force return the blood
to their brains, and spit them back out on the ng into the welcoming
arms of their adoring fans!

Geez - We have a big exit at least once a month - You just had yours in
record time! Shall we see if we can make the next newbie make the cycle
within the first 24 hours of showing up? -beg-

Kitty


RO...@webtv.net

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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You're hilarious but that's easy Kitty! All they have to do is tell
Bruce they want to remain "anonymous" and he'll personally spin them
through the door in the first hour! <g> But that's okey. I'm opening
up a section of my pasture just for all newbie "anons" and Bruce won't
be allowed in that section. Moo Moo will protect them. I love the
revolving door idea.

BTW, some folks are missing this post and still asking me NOT to leave.
You think they are really trying to use "reverse psychology" on me? Too
late, I've already stockpiled a LOT of ways to get even with Brucie
goosey. (Disconnect ME will he!) He forgets. He's only half Italian.
I'M the WHOLE cannoli! I wonder if he can translate "MAFIA"? <bg>

Mary (also known as "the Princess" in certain Italian circles <g>) Moo
Moo


Bruce W.

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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<<You're hilarious but that's easy Kitty! All they have to do is tell
Bruce they want to remain "anonymous" and he'll personally spin them
through the door in the first hour! <g> But that's okey. >>

Mary

I told you I could break through that thin veil of anonynmity with just a
little detective work. So I checked headers, pinged servers, captured
packets and cybersleuthed until I discovered that you're really:

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Hillary Rodham Clinton!!!


RO...@webtv.net

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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Well Det.Dum de Dummer Dum! You must have been checking the wrong
heads! Hillary Clinton???? The only woman my hubby plays with is me!
You really think with an insano like yours truly around he EVER gets
bored and needs to go play "naughty, naughty in closets". If variety is
the "spice of life" then it pays a man to find the nuts like me with
all the multiple personalities. <g> It's gotten so bad that when he
walks in a room now he usually says: "Excuse me, but who are you
tonight?" <g>


You also think I would be "anons" if I didn't make darn sure "weirdos"
like you couldn't find me? BTW, music and the arts are not the only
things I'm pretty up on. Guess what ELSE I can outdo you in? This ole
moo moo has been to many pastures! I've got a list so looooong you
don't have enough lifetimes to check them all! So go play with your
little computer thingees and I'll do something more constructiive with
my time. I think I'll be "Tosca" tonight for hubby. He loves the part
where I go up to the roof and jump off! (Whatever turns you guys on, huh
ladies?) <g>

Madama La Moo


RO...@webtv.net

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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LadyAndy2, tell me you're kidding. Two or three weeks lag time!! WHAT
has Brucie Goosey DONE to me! HE confesses and "I" get to do PENANCE!
I should have known he had something up his sleeve. He has gotten EVEN
with me after all. I sure wish I was allowed to use the "F" word. No
wonder he's taking this all so well! He better HOPE he never really
finds me. I'll rolly his cannoli!!! Thanks for telling me. I'll know
what to expect at least.

Mary Moo


Kitty Kelly

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Oct 17, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/17/98
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Here - let me help you Mary! Did you need the word fuck, fucker,
fucking or fucked? Print this page, and cut out the word you need!

Always willing to help a friend!!!

Kitty


Lady Andy2

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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>BTW, some folks are missing this post and still asking me NOT to leave.

Lag time... NOT everybody gets the posts right away. Some don't get them for
two or three weeks! Makes for some very interesting conversations <G>.

Best regards,
LadyAndy2

Bruce W.

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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<grinning like a Chesire cat>

Bruce \/\/.
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SpyMom007

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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ROFL---you are so kind and conserate of everyones needs Kitty!!! that's why we
love you!!


Lori :)

SpyMom007

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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>ROFL---you are so kind and conserate of everyones needs Kitty!!! that's why
>we
>love you!!


Alas the late night typo monster has struck, kitty I mean you are con sid er
ate! Hehe....excuse me while i try to stop the room from spinning......

no one


Harvey R. Stone

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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LOLOL aaah me--I have laughed and laughed at and with Madama La Moooo,
who most certainly has a feel for as the world turns or to misguide the
light but remember the story of crying wolf that can be turned to just
another dog baying in the night or the overfull udder at general
hospital. LOLOL Thanks so much.

Somebody Else

Harvey R. Stone

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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roflmao LOLOLOLOL

RO...@webtv.net

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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Oh good Heavens Kitty!!! The MONKS at the Monastary have called a
special "Novena" on your mouth's behalf!! They don't have enough "beads"
to help you with that last post!!<bg>

BTW, this is when I wish I had a printer. I would print your words ,
"ENLARGE" them, and mail to a certain "villian" with a twisted sense of
humor! It's a good thing I don't have his real address!! Did you know
the "F" word is a real word. It's taken from the german and "used" to
be in the old dictionaries but when nice people like me starting using
it with that "excuse", they took it out! It's not in my new Websters so
I'm not allowed to say it any longer. Thank goodness you don't worry
about dictionaries Kitty. I can always depend on you to come through
for me. Thank you pal! <g>

Mary Moo


Bruce Moore

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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I don't think we have to help Kitty with her LAST POST I'm quite sure
she's not dead yet!

I have lots of beads here,
BruceM

Steve Ratliff

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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 08:12:08 -0500 (CDT), RO...@webtv.net wrote:

>Oh good Heavens Kitty!!! The MONKS at the Monastary have called a
>special "Novena" on your mouth's behalf!! They don't have enough "beads"
>to help you with that last post!!<bg>


Not only am I still not getting Lynmari's posts, now I'm not getting
Kitty's either. Maybe it's just as well though, I blush easily!

Steve
http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve

Kitty Kelly

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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Always ready to help Mary! As a matter of fact, I'll put soul at
further peril by helping you again today!

Fuck you Brucie Baby! (I mean that in the best possible way of course!)

-g-

Kitty

P.S. Good one BruceM! I am still here LOL!!!


Kitty Kelly

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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Wow Harv!

You're pretty funny too!

Kitty


nocki

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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The most celebrated of the so-called 'Anglo-Saxon' four letter words goes
back in written form no further than the early 16th century - a far cry from
the Old English period. A personal name John le Fucker, however recorded
from 1278, shows that it was around before 1500 (perhaps not committed to
paper because even then it as and a taboo) There is little doubt that it is
of Germanic origin, but it's precise source was never been satisfactorily
identified. All the earliest know examples of the word come from Scotland,
which may suggests A Scandinavian source, related to Norwegian dialect
fukka 'copulate,' and Swedish dialect focka copulate, hit' and fock 'penis.'

from Dictionary of Word Origins by John Ayto


RO...@webtv.net wrote:

> Did you know the "F" word is a real word. It's taken from the german and
> "used" to
> be in the old dictionaries but when nice people like me starting using
> it with that "excuse", they took it out!
>

> Mary Moo


RO...@webtv.net

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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Nocki , thank you for furthering our education on the "F" word. Does
that mean I can now use it in public since it does have a proper
background? <g>

WHOA Kitty! I can do my OWN work in this department. Beloved you don't
have to stand or (lay-in) for me in this area.<g> Except when it comes
to Brucie Goosey, I hope you were indicating "your" desire and he
doesn't think we're doing a "Cyrano" thing here. I can proposition my
own guys thank you and at the moment I'm not sending out offers. <g>
Besides, I sent him a "cigar" and I don't do "cigar" tricks. <g> Now
go say your rosary and ask forgiveness for your trench mouth!<g>


Bruce W.

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In the Navy they say those who can't say it probably can't do it either!

Bruce \/\/.
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Steve Ratliff

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On Sun, 18 Oct 1998 17:24:34 -0400, "Bruce W." <bruce...@erols.com>
wrote:

>In the Navy they say those who can't say it probably can't do it either!
>
>Bruce \/\/.
>=+=+=+=+

Hey! I've said it. Once. What does that mean???

Steve
http://www.zoomnet.net/~steve

RO...@webtv.net

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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Hey "Mr.Frog Prince" I said I don't say it in "PUBLIC"! You're the one
posting that you need help with yur "thang". I sent you a "cigar". What
else do you need? I know. I forgot to send "Monica"! You better
behave or maybe you "really" don't know what "Mafia" stands for! BTW,
it's NOT called a "thang". In proper circles we refer to it as a
"thingee". <g>

Mary La


Bruce W.

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When growing up my family nearly bought Joe Bonnano's house in Brooklyn when
he left for sunny Arizona. Every room in the house had a slide deadbolt
lock on both the inside and the outside of every door. The gentlemen down
the block (who shall remain nameless) headed the dockworkers union and his
house was sprayed with machine gun fire on two occasions that I know of.
His son was kidnapped once which brought the FBI into our neighborhood for a
few days.

A next door neighbor two doors down was arrested for being a hitman who
killed at least five people. "Pete" was the gentlest guy you'd ever meet,
too, Always had a magic trick to show the kids, give us firecrackers on the
fourth of July, etc. The papers called him "Ice Pick Pete" after his
arrest, a side of him we thankfully never saw. The corner gas station ran
untaxed cigarettes and the local drugstore was a bookie joint.

I know "la cosa nostra" quite well, thank you!

Neopolitans say "thingee" but Sicilians are southerners and say "thang!"

Cafone!

Bruce \/\/.
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Greg Myers

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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Alright, then where did I hear that F U C K stood for Fornication Under
Constantine the King, back in the (whenever Constantine was king) hundreds,
you could get permission to fornicate with a prostitute if you had the
proper paperwork, and the initials stuck FUCK.
"Got my papers, ma'am, could we get down to business?"

another side of the story, perhaps?

Uv

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RO...@webtv.net

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Perdona! I bow once again to your vast knowledge. I should be using
the term "thang". I guess I hung around too many Neopolitans in my day.
Wow! what an interesting childhood. Almost as fascinating as mine. You
know what they say don't you? "The Mafia only killed people who
"deserved" killing". It's true. In real life they were the nicest
people they just had this "thing" about them. You messed in their turf
you got wiped out. (NO! I am not defending the Mafia! Just giving a
viewpoint here.) Thanks for the memories.

Mary Moo


RO...@webtv.net

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Oct 18, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/18/98
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Thank you so much Uv for a fascinating new insight on the "F" word.
(Notice I still can't say it even tho you all have convinced me I
certainly should feel free to, especially if only to prove certain other
capabilities according to one Frog Prince Brucie).

BTW, I really need to go to bed since we ALL can't be "vampires" on this
funny farm but I am sitting here laughing looking at some of the
headings on the postings. Are we REALLY having a discussion on the "F"
word? I mean can you imagine a poor "Newbie" innocently opening up one
of these posts to find what is hidden inside. Rare treasures indeed!!
They probably think they hit the wrong button and got "alt.porn." by
mistake. But we can give them such a variety of education here can't we?
<BG> Something for everyone! What other site can say that. <g>
Goodnight beloveds (even you too, Brucie) ZZZZZZZZZZ

Mary Moo


Kitty Kelly

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LOL!!!! Your life has been filled with most interesting people Bruce!

I was a secretary for the president of a company who turned out to be
the godson of the head of a 'family'. This was in a state not usually
noted for that sort of thing. I didn't have a clue until someone warned
me that the large envelopes he was having me deliver all over town were
filled with cocaine YIKES!!! He told me they were legal papers and I
believed him, because all my 'deliveries' were to lawyers, judges, a
bank president and other 'upstanding citizens' AT THEIR OFFICES!!!
Needless to say, Kitty quit the next day!

Kitty


Bruce W.

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Oct 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/19/98
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I've heard it to mean two things: To till the soil and as a sign over
pillories that meant For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.

Bruce \/\/.
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Greg Myers wrote in message ...

SpyMom007

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>BTW, I really need to go to bed since we ALL can't be "vampires" on this
>funny farm but I am sitting here laughing looking at some of the
>headings on the postings. Are we REALLY having a discussion on the "F"
>word? I mean can you imagine a poor "Newbie" innocently opening up one
>of these posts to find what is hidden inside. Rare treasures indeed!!
>They probably think they hit the wrong button and got "alt.porn." by
>mistake. But we can give them such a variety of education here can't we?
><BG> Something for everyone! What other site can say that. <g>
>Goodnight beloveds (even you too, Brucie) ZZZZZZZZZZ
>
>Mary Moo

sheesh Mary, and the night is young!!!

You have a good nights sleep---see you tomorrow!

Lori :)

Bruce W.

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I worked at a mob-owned pizzeria while in college. They had this enormous
machine in the back to knead dough. Imagine a stainless steel hot-tub with
a ship's propeller in the middle of it and a motor strong enough to churn
very sticky dough. One night the owner showed up with a rather dubious
looking crowd and told us to all go home, giving all three of us crisp, new
$50 bills (I had never seen one before). The next day it was clear that the
kneader had been in operation and meticulously cleaned up (it was dirty when
I left it and it was my job to clean it.)

Having been taught to mind my own business by my Italian mom I never asked
what they did with it but I can assure you it was powerful enough to grind a
human body into tomato paste, bones and all.

Even funnier was that we immediately stopped the practice of calling in 4
pizzas at the end of the day that no one ever picked up so we could take
them back to the dorm instead of trashing them.

Bruce \/\/.
=+=+=+=+

LOL!!!! Your life has been filled with most interesting people Bruce!

Kitty


KrissyJo

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Oct 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/19/98
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>>I worked at a mob-owned pizzeria while in college.

My grandpa was a mob leader in his day. Spent some time in "the slammer" for
his activities. I am only just now hearing the stories that I was always "too
young" to hear!
Very interesting stories indeed!

Keep Smilin'
~Krissy
-------------------------
Akron, Ohio
Visit my web pages at:
http://arthritisnet.com
http://members.aol.com/KrissyJo/RA.html


Bruce W.

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Underwood of the underworld!

Bruce \/\/.
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KrissyJo wrote in message <19981019045727...@ng79.aol.com>...

KrissyJo

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>>Underwood of the underworld!
>
>

Ahhhh...but Underwood is my married name!!!

My maiden name is quite a bit more Italiam sounding!

Janice

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RO...@webtv.net wrote:
>word? I mean can you imagine a poor "Newbie" innocently opening up one
>of these posts to find what is hidden inside. Rare treasures indeed!!
>They probably think they hit the wrong button and got "alt.porn." by
>mistake. But we can give them such a variety of education here can't we?


One newbie speaking! Keep up the education on the "f" word and the
poor, sweet, little animals! Feels great to laugh so hard, I hardly
notice the pain! LOL

Janice
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Only my humble opinion. What is good or not good for
me may not apply to others. Feel free to ignore. :)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

Bruce W.

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We can't prescribe drugs so we push humor instead!

Bruce \/\/.
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RO...@webtv.net

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I can't believe this! I wake up to find you people on here have gone
from discussing the "F" word to the "mob"! Krissy, you better be
careful revealing details of your "grandpa". You know this IS an
international internet and might be some " Mafia relatives" in Italy
still looking for "his family". <g> And it was supposed to be a
"secret" society. Boy! Good thing they didn't have the internet when
the Mafia was in full bloom!! Kitty, Brucie and Krissy would be going
sleepy time in the river. Am I the only one on here smart enough to be
"anonymous"??? <bg>
It's okey. I know the "big" guys. I'll protect you. (all but Brucie
that is).

BTW, guess what nightmares I had last night? Righto. I spent the entire
night being chased by the "mob", machine guns and all and Bruce was
leading the pack screaming at me that I either say the "F" word in
public or get blown away! I want my public to know I did not give up my
honor! I got Kitty to "dub" it in for me and was saved! Bless you
Kitty. Boy, my hubby really hit the floor big time with all that
thrashing I was doing!

Mary the Mole


KrissyJo

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>One newbie speaking! Keep up the education on the "f" word and the
>poor, sweet, little animals! Feels great to laugh so hard, I hardly
>notice the pain! LOL

I *like* that newbie!!!!

Lady Andy2

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>>One newbie speaking! Keep up the education on the "f" word and the
>>poor, sweet, little animals! Feels great to laugh so hard, I hardly
>>notice the pain! LOL
>
>I *like* that newbie!!!!
>

Yeah, me too! Welcome, Janice!

Best regards,
LadyAndy2

Harvey R. Stone

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Oct 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/19/98
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LOLOL Hi Mary, The point you have made even in humor can happen. We
take our chances but it is worth it.
Harv
Houston,Tx

Connie Davis

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Oct 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/19/98
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Did you know that the name Fokker means breeder in Dutch, perhaps further evidence of germanic
connections.!! ConnieD.

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RO...@webtv.net

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Oct 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/19/98
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Hey! My beloved escapes from "Alt.Support.Cuckoos", did our
keyboards get stuck on the letter "F" or something?? I notice for the
past two days we seem to have a fixation with the letter "F" and now "P"
is getting stuck. What happen to poor ole letter "A"?? <bg> If I SAY
the word out LOUD will it help us out?? Okey here goes F...........
(sorry guys,I just can't finish it out) I'm just really a "good" girl
at heart.
Discuss it all you want. -g-

Mary La Moo


Kitty Kelly

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Oct 19, 1998, 3:00:00 AM10/19/98
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Just spit it out and get it over with Mary! It's just a word showing
the emotion of the moment, like golly gee and dang it, and Holy Moses,
and H E double toothpicks only stronger and with more passion!

-g-

Kitty


Don Kirkman

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It seems to me I heard somewhere that nocki wrote in article
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>The most celebrated of the so-called 'Anglo-Saxon' four letter words goes
>back in written form no further than the early 16th century - a far cry from
>the Old English period. A personal name John le Fucker, however recorded
>from 1278, shows that it was around before 1500 (perhaps not committed to
>paper because even then it as and a taboo) There is little doubt that it is
>of Germanic origin, but it's precise source was never been satisfactorily
>identified. All the earliest know examples of the word come from Scotland,
>which may suggests A Scandinavian source, related to Norwegian dialect
>fukka 'copulate,' and Swedish dialect focka copulate, hit' and fock 'penis.'

>from Dictionary of Word Origins by John Ayto

Ah, Nocki, now look what you've gone and done. This is undoubtedly
going to be the asa record off-topic long thread, and I'd say it's all
your fault if it weren't obvious how many others were just waiting for
an excuse to chime in. :-)

The November issue of "Harper's Magazine" has an extract from an essay
in "Verbatim," a newsletter about the English language. The author is
also the author of "The F-Word," (Random House), of which a revised
edition will appear next May.

To pick up a few highlights from Harper's:

"Interest in the historical aspect of the word ' ' has always been
high." You betcha!

The earliest example appears to be in a [enciphered] 15th century poem,
"Flen Flyys," and concerns monks engaging in the named behavior.

"For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge" is 'completely bogus and first appeared
in 1967.'

The first printed use in America was in 1926; in mainstream movies,
around 1970 (M*A*S*H*, Myra Breckenridge). It was in The Atlantic
Monthly, Harper's, Playboy, and others by the 1960s, but not in the New
Yorker until 1985.

Insulting or pejorative compounds and derivatives seem to date back at
least to WW II, and apparently are known in the UK and Australia as well
as the US.
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Don

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