Re: GAME CONSOLE EMULATION QUESTION ???
Digital
<NOSPAMd...@dslextreme.com> wrote:
>On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:28:56 GMT, chim...@optonline.net (Chim Bubba)
>wrote:
>
>>Is it really necessary to have the consoles for all the games you like
>>anymore???
>>I mean with all these emulators that can play all the games from NES,
>>SNES, GENESIS, SMS, COLECOVISION and many many others. All you need is
>>a half decent PC. What do you guys think??? Just curious!
>
>
>Emulation: bugs, slowdown, bad sound, shitty pc gamepad. And then
>there's the fact that it just doesn't have the same feel as sitting in
>front of a TV set with the real console. Emulation is good for trying
>out games before you buy them, but that's about it.
>I feel this way not only about consoles, but also vintage computers
>(Commodore 64, Amiga).
>
>Also, with old machines/software as cheap as they are, why even bother
>with emulation?
>
>
>
I think that this is a great question and I am sure everyone will have
their own opinion but I think that if you just want the ability to
play the games then emulation is very good especially with this new
thing with guys putting all emulators on an Xbox. I mean not only do
you have every game system but you have a nice system that can easily
hook up to any tv.
Mark McDougall
>>>Is it really necessary to have the consoles for all the games you like
>>>anymore???
> I think that this is a great question and I am sure everyone will have
> their own opinion...
Naturally there will be some that are happy with emulators, and some that
insist on having 'the real thing'. Just like there are others still that
just shake their heads at anyone even remotely interested in anything to do
with retro-gaming/computing.
Personally, I use both. Emulators are great for 'trying out' those games
which you've heard about but never actually seen... on the other hand my
console/cart collection is forever growing (much to the anguish of my g/f).
Regards,
--
| Mark McDougall | "Electrical Engineers do it
| <http://to be announced> | with less resistance!"
Big Guy
Hmmm!!
Good point!!!
I love the emulators and I also have some very old consoles.
Colecovision !!! Yeah my favorite from back in the day when we tried
to bring the arcade experience home with us!!!!
It helps to have all these emulators on 1 pc and a crap load of
roms!!!
Dat@ncat.com Who Dat?
Coconuts" <Slartib...@hugh.jass.org> wrote:
>
>"dandy2000" <NOSPAMd...@dslextreme.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 27 Apr 2003 16:28:56 GMT, chim...@optonline.net (Chim Bubba)
>> wrote:
>>
>> >Is it really necessary to have the consoles for all the games you like
>> >anymore???
>> >I mean with all these emulators that can play all the games from NES,
>> >SNES, GENESIS, SMS, COLECOVISION and many many others. All you need is
>> >a half decent PC. What do you guys think??? Just curious!
>
>I think it's a GOOD THING. It's nice to have the original artwork for some
>items that included maps and decent manuals. Plus you get cosmic karma for
>having the original software you're emulating even though the manufacturer
>probably still considers you a pirate.
>
>> Emulation: bugs, slowdown, bad sound, shitty pc gamepad. And then
>
>Genesis emulation is very, very good right now with GENS. Except for a few
>32X games, I find that emulation experience to be vastly superior to the
>"real" experience of playing on a Genesis. My USB gamepad is contoured to
>my hand, not the crapfest that was the Genesis pad. I can turn on
>antialiasing and the games look better than ever, and the sound emulation is
>the same as the original Genesis, which wasn't that great to begin with.
>
>NES emulation is PERFECT for me on the Dreamcast with NESter. There's even
>a lightgun version!
>
>> there's the fact that it just doesn't have the same feel as sitting in
>> front of a TV set with the real console. Emulation is good for trying
>> out games before you buy them, but that's about it.
>> I feel this way not only about consoles, but also vintage computers
>> (Commodore 64, Amiga).
>
>Argh, it's even worse with "vintage" computers. Why would anyone want to
>mess with a slow/dodgy "classic" disk drive when you can have a binary image
>on a modern hard drive? Or do you feel that waiting for a fragile tape to
>load is part of the "feel"?
>
>> Also, with old machines/software as cheap as they are, why even bother
>> with emulation?
>
>So you don't have to deal with all the crap that comes with collecting dusty
>old machines, of course! Don't get me wrong, I have over 50 Genesis
>cartridges and almost that many SNES games, but I hardly ever drag them out
>since I have perfect emulators on computers. No power bricks, no oxidation
>on cartridge connectors, no RF video interference.
>
This is an age old question and I must say as an owner of many of the
original carts way back to the 2600 and many coleco carts, I do now
prefer the emulators. They take up way less space and I know can brag
that I have every single game for every single gaming console that I
ever wanted. Now when talking about retro I am talking about the Atari
2600 all the way to the SNES... At least at this point in time!!!
Dat@ncat.com Who Dat?
<fe...@feckoff.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 29 Apr 2003 09:57:54 -0400, "I've Got A Loverly Bunch Of
>Coconuts" <Slartib...@hugh.jass.org> stopped smoking some high
>grade weed and eventually managed to say:
>I'd also like to add that some games are really hard to get hold of or
>are obscenely expensive to buy in its original format. Emulation is
>not the same as owning the original games, but it can be a good
>alternative.
Why would you say that?
I mean playing the games is what matters most right???
An emulator can play a game just like the original console!
I have both and believe me the difference isnt that bad once you get
used to it!!!
MrBiggles
> Why would you say that?
> I mean playing the games is what matters most right???
> An emulator can play a game just like the original console!
> I have both and believe me the difference isnt that bad once you get
> used to it!!!
And get a video card with TV out (most quality ATI and NVIDIA cards have
them now). Then you can make or buy an adapter to use the old sticks and
away you go.
Advantages:
- no carts
- no consoles
- can play others over the 'net
- can save progress and pause at any time
Disadvantages:
- not playing "real thing", but can you tell the difference?
Dat@ncat.com Who Dat?
wrote:
My point exactly!!!!!!!
And now I can brag that I have every single darn game for the
different systems and they all fit in 1 room!!! LOL!!!
Scott H
No, they can't play a game exactly like the original equipment
does. Every emulator is only approximating the timing of the gameplay
and button presses, every monitor is running at a different refresh
rate than a TV, and every emulator makes the image and the sound way
more sharp than the original hardware was capable of. Emulators bring
out each and every "flaw" which the original designers covered up
intentionally with the limitations of the system.
For example, take the Lynx game STUN Runner, the gamefaqs reviewer
says that it's so easy you'll just mash the fire button. I played it
on an emulator and found the same experience, but when I play it on the
actual hand held, the controls are slightly different, the refresh rate
of the screen makes it seem just slightly faster, and demands a touch
more in the reaction speed of the player, and is therefore much more
difficult than the emulated "version" is.
The same kind of examples could be used for virtually every game
ever made, they are different on different hardware, therefore the
experience is different, the gameplay is different, the graphics are
different, and the sound is different than the original experience.
Humans are capable of overlooking these differences, but approximately
the same, and exactly the same are two different things.
Dat@ncat.com Who Dat?
OK I hear ya!!! Well I am human and approximately the same is good
enough for me!!! And all the space I save getting rid of all the
originals!!!!
Scott H
Those were just a few examples of the ways emulation differs from the
real thing, I didn't even get into the severe psychological effect save
states allow. Just a hunch, but I'm betting that since you don't value
having the originals, even though they are material (and take up space),
you also don't mind saving just before a difficult boss fight, so you
don't have to replay anything earlier in the level/game.
Let's say I'm right and you do use the save state, then you'll never
develop the skills the original designer intended for you to develop
before you could possibly beat the game, and thus have only played a
pre-school version of said game. Otherwise, let's say I'm wrong and you
choose to not use save states, knowing that they are available, you have
to start the whole game over again because you ran out of lives. How
many times are you going to do that before you quit, and thus also never
develop the skills required to be "good at" the game? This later
problem is exacerbated by the fact that you then have a virtually
unlimited number of other games to download, at no cost to you (and no
shelf space to make for said "free" game), to "try" in a similar
fashion. So, and I'm trying to be brief, emulation has limited
functionality, but cannot be compared to playing the originals on any
level. I'd say that you might be demoing the originals, but beyond
that, it's just extremely improbable for a human being to have the sheer
will power to force themselves through a difficult game unless A)
there's no cheat available, and B) they can't just drop it and move on
to something else. Effectively, emulation is kind of like a training
simulation is to the real thing. It's similar, and a lot of things may
seem to work in the same way, but the real thing is just better.
--
Scott
MrBiggles
> the real thing, I didn't even get into the severe psychological effect
> save states allow. Just a hunch, but I'm betting that since you don't
> value having the originals, even though they are material (and take up
> space), you also don't mind saving just before a difficult boss fight,
> so you don't have to replay anything earlier in the level/game.
Absolutely! It all depends on why you enjoy games. For me, a challenge
is not my main consideration. I am most interested in the artistic
components of a game... the artwork, the events, the story (if there is
one).
If I'm in the mood for a challenge I'll go old school with a classic
arcade game like Galaga, Frogger, Pac-man, etc... where the games were
all about the score you could achieve.
I have limited time to play games, so I prefer the challenge to be
limited to what I consider a reasonable degree. I just prefer to make it
through the game to see the art and story unfold. Therefore the save
state ROCKS!
Mr Green
news:4l1gj1tvnhh3edjp9...@4ax.com:
^ Are you kidding? nester and nnesterj all have problems, every nes
emulator out there do have a problem, it may be shaky floors in
cystilites and smb3 or it can be compatibility issues (try some jap
games, the one of the more popular ? in one carts) or even sound.
(CastleVania 3 has extra sound that is not heard on many emulators).
I'd recommend any nes emulator superior to Nintendulator or Fceu and as
of this moment none exist.
Also playing games on their orginal console is some times more fun sicne
you have the real controller and your seeing the real picture and
hearing the real sound.
Dat@ncat.com Who Dat?
wrote:
Yup!!
That and the fact that in my case I have had the real consoles and the
actual carts as well. So for me saving space is a big deal. At this
point in my life it is more of being able to see the many different
facets of the game. I am old enough to have had played pinball games
before the video game was invented as well as having almost all of the
consoles so at this point I guess you could just call me a collector
that prefers to have everything take up much less space and maybe get
rid of these consoles and carts!!!!!
Dat@ncat.com Who Dat?
Hey you quoted me but I didnt make the comment about NES emulation!
Dat@ncat.com Who Dat?
<None...@justtryitnewb.com> wrote:
Hey you quoted me but I didnt make the comment about NES emulation!
Mothra
>>
>
> Yup!!
> That and the fact that in my case I have had the real consoles and the
> actual carts as well. So for me saving space is a big deal. At this
> point in my life it is more of being able to see the many different
> facets of the game. I am old enough to have had played pinball games
> before the video game was invented as well as having almost all of the
> consoles so at this point I guess you could just call me a collector
> that prefers to have everything take up much less space and maybe get
> rid of these consoles and carts!!!!!
By all means play the emulators (I do) and use the save states (I do
that as well, I'm ashamed to say), but please don't get rid of the
original hardware/software. Pack them up in a box and put them in a
garage, attic or find somewhere else to store them. You will regret
getting rid off them one day, maybe in 10 years time when they are far
harder to obtain, or if the Thought Police finally find a way to ban
emulators permanently.
Okay, maybe that last one's a bit paranoid, but consider this: you are
obviously enough of a Genesis/Megadrive afficionado to bother posting
to this newsgroup - could you bare to see your collection fall into the
hands of anyone less dedicated?
777
Although I agree with the original poster, you make some valid points.
I prefer to collect as well since I am about the same age as the
original poster and also had a Colecovision in college. I am privy to
all the arcade rage at the time of the early late 70's early 80's.
However now I never really have the time for playing all those console
so I just would be easier to boot up a PC and play them all there. I
have a friend who has done just that. He has an X-Box modded with
every possible game console on it with far too many roms to mention.
He has everything in a very small case and with his xbox he can easily
got to anyone's home plug it in to their TV and now you have
Colecovision, Atari, NES, SMS, Genesis, SNES and many many more.
Sheesh!!! He even has MAME on it. Now that is a guy who really has
used his space properly. Now I might in the near future do that. Since
I have these consoles and in good shape I may even put them along with
the many games on ebay. I just want the ability to play them when I
want. How it is packages is of no concern to me.
Happy New Year to all!!!!!
Mothra
Yeah, when I said I play via an emulator, I meant of course my modded
Xbox. In fact that's really all I use my Xbox for. The advantage is
that you get the more natural, authentic-looking graphics, as you're
playing through a TV.
Tony Roma
I can't disagree with any of you guys!
Bill Gates
I second that emotion.,,,
Great discussion by the way
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