Thoughts about the LAPD and criminal State
dick wagner
MUMBOJUMBO:
You conceal your identity behind some unpronounceable string of letters
and say, "I want to compare these two [newspaper] articles and argue
that Law Enforcement and the Justice System are so completely out of
control -- are operating without limits, and represent such a grave
threat to the security of the Public that the inevitable outcome of all
this OUGHT to be a violent coup by the citizenry to remove --
permanently -- the present structure of law enforcement.
"I am going so far as to suggest that the assassination of attorneys,
judges, and law enforcement officials, might after all, not be such a
bad thing as many would suppose."
This is certainly an intemperate thing for you to say, and comes close
to being dangerous. If you would go so far as to put specific names
next to your advocating of assassination, I think you could get a knock
on your door. Even if you don’t have to answer in court for saying such
things, you risk being made a pariah, as happened fifty years ago when I
was young, by being plastered with the catch phrase, "advocating the
violent overthrow of the government of the United States." You really
should not go in this direction, Mumbojumbo, unless you have absolutely
nothing to lose.
As it happens, I agree with you that the goverment(s) of the United
States are "completely out of control." At least, they are out of the
control of the people at large, mostly from their own doing. I am sure
that some people -- rich and influential elite, no doubt -- control the
government, but it is not us. The linkage between the people, who
nominally control the government at the ballot box, and the government
itself, is the media (and public education). The media tells us who to
vote for, and we blindly do. The effective control of the media, is
thus the control of the government.
Of course, the thing you advocate has a familiar word, "Revolution."
But Twentieth Century history shows that the practical implementation of
this (Cuba, China, Russia) only throws out one set of despotic elite and
replaces them with another, and the people are no better off; often they
are worse off. Furthermore, the process of getting from here to there
can get sidetracked (Lebanon) into years-long anarchy, and that is not
good for anybody. So, no matter how angry and frustrated you and I may
be at the current sorry state of our government, the alternative of
fixing it through revolution does not seem to be a rational good choice.
And, frankly, I wonder if all lesser alternatives have been tried. I
have not seen widespread public discussion of the mechanisms whereby the
problem exists. From that could come a genuine solution that would fix
the structural problem, and not merely replace one set of self-important
elitists with another. Also, I am encouraged that there are signs that
some of the people within the system understand the problem, and are
quietly working to make whatever genuine remedy is within their own
control. Yesterday, I saw that LAPD Chief Parks is proposing to include
citizen representatives on the investigation of his department, and if
implemented right, this could be a blow for good government. This
morning’s L.A. Times tells me that the current U.S. Supreme Court has
been engaged in a pattern of rendering decisions that return the power
of the government more effectively into the hands of the people. These
are indications to me that there is hope for an orderly improvement in
the current deplorable situation of "out of control" government.
I think you should explore the possibilities of these more moderate
means, and put your own personal time and effort behind implementing
some of them, before you resort to revolution.
Or, so it seems to me.
--dick wagner (from alt.fan.oj-simpson)
ThePuppetmaster
>
>Fine then.
>
>We'll try being civilized about this and follow the example being set
>by the lazy, shiftless, corrupt, dope dealing baboons at the LAPD.
>
>Fire every single cop that works at Rampart and lock Perez and Mack up
>prison for the rest of their natural lives. Impeach Riordin and cut
>Chief Parks pay in half.
>
>The LAPD is a rougue and criminal gang. If these objectives of purging
>the department are not initiated by our Crack heads and sex offenders
>in the City Council, every business and every individual should
>immediately refuse to pay taxes to the City of Los Angeles. Any
>enforcement efforts initiated by the criminals in government ought to
>be met with armed resistance.
>
>Time to start issuing Pink Slips at the LAPD, by the basket.
So you're saying penalize the entire LAPD for the actions of a very
small percentage of the departments sworn personnel? I'll save you the
trouble of doing the math. LAPD has approximately 6500 sworn officers.
I think the count is 12 involved in this scandal which works out to
.002% of the department.
Mike make sure you don't call the LAPD next time you're the victim of
a crime. I wouldn't want you to have to be subjected to such a large
criminal element showing up to assist you.
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>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 08:14:45 -0700, dick wagner <wag...@westworld.com>
>laid this one on alt.california:
>
>>REVOLUTION
>>
>>MUMBOJUMBO:
>>
>>You conceal your identity behind some unpronounceable string of letters
>>and say, "I want to compare these two [newspaper] articles and argue
>>that Law Enforcement and the Justice System are so completely out of
>>control -- are operating without limits, and represent such a grave
>>threat to the security of the Public that the inevitable outcome of all
>>this OUGHT to be a violent coup by the citizenry to remove --
>>permanently -- the present structure of law enforcement.
>>
>>"I am going so far as to suggest that the assassination of attorneys,
>>judges, and law enforcement officials, might after all, not be such a
>>bad thing as many would suppose."
>>
>> This is certainly an intemperate thing for you to say, and comes close
>>to being dangerous. If you would go so far as to put specific names
>>next to your advocating of assassination, I think you could get a knock
>>on your door. Even if you don?t have to answer in court for saying such
>>morning?s L.A. Times tells me that the current U.S. Supreme Court has
>>been engaged in a pattern of rendering decisions that return the power
>>of the government more effectively into the hands of the people. These
>>are indications to me that there is hope for an orderly improvement in
>>the current deplorable situation of "out of control" government.
>>
>> I think you should explore the possibilities of these more moderate
>>means, and put your own personal time and effort behind implementing
>>some of them, before you resort to revolution.
>>
>> Or, so it seems to me.
>>
>> --dick wagner (from alt.fan.oj-simpson)
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dick wagner
I thought this peculiar guy might actually be interested in the
problem; now I think he is just a lower-case version of MA.
--dick wagner
ThePuppetmaster
wrote:
Dick, I think it might be a draw in the I.Q. department. Both seem to
be about 50 I.Q. points below that of a submerged log.
ThePuppetMaster
>
>The LAPD are cowards. I wouldn't call on the LAPD if my life depended
>on it. Durring the 93 riots the LAPD ABANDONED their post and did NOT
>respond to help innocent civilians in jeopardy.
>
>Television news archives show the chickenshits leaving the flashpoint
>of the riots. They didn't return for hours. Reginald Denny had his
>scull shattered and a business man was stripped, beaten, had his
>genitals painted, and doused in gasoline. The LAPD did NOTHING!
>
>They are CHICKENSHIT.
>
>Where Are the motherfucking pink slips? Shut Down these BASTARDS in
>this CRASH unit and FIRE the stupid baboons at Rampart!
>
>
>
What's the matter cretin, did they reject your application?
>
>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:21:25 GMT, ThePupp...@mail.com
>(ThePuppetmaster) laid this one on alt.law-enforcement:
ThePuppetMaster
>On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 02:42:56 GMT, ThePupp...@mail.com
>(ThePuppetMaster) laid this one on alt.california:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:02:19 -0700, mÍkejmđmindspring¸Çom¬ wrote:
>>
>>>
>>>The LAPD are cowards. I wouldn't call on the LAPD if my life depended
>>>on it. Durring the 93 riots the LAPD ABANDONED their post and did NOT
>>>respond to help innocent civilians in jeopardy.
>>>
>>>Television news archives show the chickenshits leaving the flashpoint
>>>of the riots. They didn't return for hours. Reginald Denny had his
>>>scull shattered and a business man was stripped, beaten, had his
>>>genitals painted, and doused in gasoline. The LAPD did NOTHING!
>>>
>>>They are CHICKENSHIT.
>>>
>>>Where Are the motherfucking pink slips? Shut Down these BASTARDS in
>>>this CRASH unit and FIRE the stupid baboons at Rampart!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>What's the matter cretin, did they reject your application?
>
>
>
>This is exactly the sort of brainless reply I would expect from an
>LAPD supporter. You have not been able to intelligently refute
>anything I've said other than to make the measly assertion that since
>you don't like me I therefore must have a low IQ, and the puny
>implication that I must be jealous of the baboons in the Rampart
>Division with your quiptical reply that I was rejected for employment
>their pseudo PD.
>
>Perhaps you are a recent graduate of LAUSD or a Republican?
IF you said one thing that I felt deserved being refuted I would have.
But since all you have done is spout off like some mindless asshole
that's how I treat you.
Sorry cretin but I graduated the LAUSD in the 60's, and I'm a
Democrat. I guess that puts me two up on you, first that I graduated,
second, that unlike you, my brain works without all the drugs.
Now crawl back under your rock.
ThePuppetMaster
>On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 05:38:57 GMT, ThePupp...@mail.com
>(ThePuppetMaster) laid this one on alt.california:
>
>>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:39:53 -0700, mÍkejmðmindspring¸Çom¬ wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 02:42:56 GMT, ThePupp...@mail.com
>>>(ThePuppetMaster) laid this one on alt.california:
>>>
>>>>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 18:02:19 -0700, mÍkejmðmindspring¸Çom¬ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>The LAPD are cowards. I wouldn't call on the LAPD if my life depended
>>>>>on it. Durring the 93 riots the LAPD ABANDONED their post and did NOT
>>>>>respond to help innocent civilians in jeopardy.
>>>>>
>>>>>Television news archives show the chickenshits leaving the flashpoint
>>>>>of the riots. They didn't return for hours. Reginald Denny had his
>>>>>scull shattered and a business man was stripped, beaten, had his
>>>>>genitals painted, and doused in gasoline. The LAPD did NOTHING!
>>>>>
>>>>>They are CHICKENSHIT.
>>>>>
>>>>>Where Are the motherfucking pink slips? Shut Down these BASTARDS in
>>>>>this CRASH unit and FIRE the stupid baboons at Rampart!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>What's the matter cretin, did they reject your application?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>This is exactly the sort of brainless reply I would expect from an
>>>LAPD supporter. You have not been able to intelligently refute
>>>anything I've said other than to make the measly assertion that since
>>>you don't like me I therefore must have a low IQ, and the puny
>>>implication that I must be jealous of the baboons in the Rampart
>>>Division with your quiptical reply that I was rejected for employment
>>>their pseudo PD.
>>>
>>>Perhaps you are a recent graduate of LAUSD or a Republican?
>>
>>IF you said one thing that I felt deserved being refuted I would have.
>
>Reply after reply after reply - and still the demonstrated inability
>to make a point.
The points been made several times, you're just too fucking stupid to
understand it.
>
>>But since all you have done is spout off like some mindless asshole
>>that's how I treat you.
>
>Oooooooh. That's good. Not only a moron, but a sniveling one.
Oh did I forget to mention that you were sniveling? I'm sorry.
>
>
>>Sorry cretin but I graduated the LAUSD in the 60's, and I'm a
>>Democrat. I guess that puts me two up on you, first that I graduated,
>>second, that unlike you, my brain works without all the drugs.
>
>I knew it! A product of LAUSD!
It's good you know something because it's obvious you don't know much
else.
>
>But how can you be so sure the drugs have worn off? You could be under
>the influence of drugs right now, I mean- you ARE a dull knife
>(you're a Democrat)
When you figure out how stupid your last comment was, take another
dose of whatever it is that makes you this fucking stupid.
>
>
>>Now crawl back under your rock.
>
>Flash Back or <snivel> figure of speech?
in your case, who the fuck knows. Or cares.
Huggy Bear
ThePuppetMaster <ThePupp...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:37f05c0a...@news.earthlink.net...
> On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:57:12 -0700, mÍkejmðmindspring¸Çom¬ wrote:
>
> >On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 05:38:57 GMT, ThePupp...@mail.com
> >(ThePuppetMaster) laid this one on alt.california:
> >
> >>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:39:53 -0700, mÍkejmðmindspring¸Çom¬ wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 02:42:56 GMT, ThePupp...@mail.com
> >
> >>Sorry cretin but I graduated the LAUSD in the 60's, and I'm a
> >>Democrat. I guess that puts me two up on you, first that I graduated,
> >>second, that unlike you, my brain works without all the drugs.
> >
> >I knew it! A product of LAUSD!
>
> It's good you know something because it's obvious you don't know much
> else.
> >
> >But how can you be so sure the drugs have worn off? You could be under
> >the influence of drugs right now, I mean- you ARE a dull knife
> >(you're a Democrat)
>
you could not prove that with your replys.
> When you figure out how stupid your last comment was, take another
> dose of whatever it is that makes you this fucking stupid.
> >
hummm...I was thinking on suggesting that maybe you NEED some of what he's
been doing.
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> >>Now crawl back under your rock.
> >
> >Flash Back or <snivel> figure of speech?
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> in your case, who the fuck knows. Or cares.
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Huggy Bear
<mÍkejmđmindspring¸Çom¬> wrote in message
news:yVbwN9X+KArJO0...@4ax.com...> (ThePuppetMaster) laid this one on alt.california:
>
> >On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:39:53 -0700, mÍkejmđmindspring¸Çom¬ wrote:
> >
> >>On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 02:42:56 GMT, ThePupp...@mail.com
> >>
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>The LAPD are cowards. I wouldn't call on the LAPD if my life depended
> >>>>on it. Durring the 93 riots the LAPD ABANDONED their post and did NOT
> >>>>respond to help innocent civilians in jeopardy.
> >>>>
> >>>>Television news archives show the chickenshits leaving the flashpoint
> >>>>of the riots. They didn't return for hours. Reginald Denny had his
> >>>>scull shattered and a business man was stripped, beaten, had his
> >>>>genitals painted, and doused in gasoline. The LAPD did NOTHING!
> >>>>
> >>>>They are CHICKENSHIT.
> >>>>
> >>>>Where Are the motherfucking pink slips? Shut Down these BASTARDS in
> >>>>this CRASH unit and FIRE the stupid baboons at Rampart!
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>What's the matter cretin, did they reject your application?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>This is exactly the sort of brainless reply I would expect from an
> >>LAPD supporter. You have not been able to intelligently refute
> >>anything I've said other than to make the measly assertion that since
> >>you don't like me I therefore must have a low IQ, and the puny
> >>implication that I must be jealous of the baboons in the Rampart
> >>Division with your quiptical reply that I was rejected for employment
> >>their pseudo PD.
> >>
> >>Perhaps you are a recent graduate of LAUSD or a Republican?
> >
> >IF you said one thing that I felt deserved being refuted I would have.
>
> Reply after reply after reply - and still the demonstrated inability
> to make a point.
>
what do you expect Mike...he's just making your point for you!
I'd let him rant..he's just making himself look foolish...hell, if I were
the LAPD, I'd make sure he didn't post on the subject...they look bad enough
as it is.
ThePuppetMaster
wrote:
>
>ThePuppetMaster <ThePupp...@mail.com> wrote in message
>news:37f05c0a...@news.earthlink.net...
>> On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 22:57:12 -0700, mÍkejmðmindspring¸Çom¬ wrote:
>>
>> >On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 05:38:57 GMT, ThePupp...@mail.com
>> >(ThePuppetMaster) laid this one on alt.california:
>> >
>> >>On Mon, 27 Sep 1999 21:39:53 -0700, mÍkejmðmindspring¸Çom¬ wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 02:42:56 GMT, ThePupp...@mail.com
>> >>>(ThePuppetMaster) laid this one on alt.california:
>> >
>> >>Sorry cretin but I graduated the LAUSD in the 60's, and I'm a
>> >>Democrat. I guess that puts me two up on you, first that I graduated,
>> >>second, that unlike you, my brain works without all the drugs.
>> >
>> >I knew it! A product of LAUSD!
>>
>> It's good you know something because it's obvious you don't know much
>> else.
>> >
>> >But how can you be so sure the drugs have worn off? You could be under
>> >the influence of drugs right now, I mean- you ARE a dull knife
>> >(you're a Democrat)
>>
>
>you could not prove that with your replys.
>
>
>
>> When you figure out how stupid your last comment was, take another
>> dose of whatever it is that makes you this fucking stupid.
>> >
>
>hummm...I was thinking on suggesting that maybe you NEED some of what he's
>been doing.
Well for someone that calls them self Huggy Bear, I very idea of you
thinking is beyond comprehension. Now run along and pretend like you
had a point to make.
>
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>> >>Now crawl back under your rock.
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>> >Flash Back or <snivel> figure of speech?
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>> in your case, who the fuck knows. Or cares.
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Huggy Bear
is that th ebest you can do ?
Come on now really...I'v ebeen posting here for years...I haven't seen as
lame a responce as that since I started.
man...can't you even TRY ?
And this is from the "PupptMaster"
Guess the only string you pull is on your johnson huh ?
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> >> >Flash Back or <snivel> figure of speech?
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> >> in your case, who the fuck knows. Or cares.
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Huggy Bear
<mÍkejmðmindspring¸Çom¬> wrote in message
news:scrwNyK+ZRg14G...@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Sep 1999 08:57:27 -0500, "Huggy Bear" <Hu...@Bear.net> laid
> this one on alt.california:
>
> >
> >Guess the only string you pull is on your johnson huh ?
> >
>
>
> I need to get a Black dictionary. I had to grab my Johnson to keep
> from peeing all over myself when I read that :)
>
thankz!