Cubase VST/24 (4.0) WOW !!!!
Dave Nicholson
>Okay, my questions are (and hopefully someone at Steinberg can answer
>them):
>
>1.) Does VST 3.553 support the Rewire link? (I'm guessing no)
no, that feature comes with the 4.0.
>2.) Will there be a free patch/upgrade for 3.5xx that will allow it to
>use the Rewire link?
no, version 4.0 replaces the 3.55x series, they are not parallel products.
best regards.
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Dave Nicholson - Cubase Product Manager
Steinberg Soft-und Hardware GmbH
email: d.nic...@steinberg.de
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Nick Williams
Thanks for the information but just a couple of points:
"To use ReWire you need Cubase VST 4.0 (or later) for Macintosh or
Cubase VST 3.6 (or later) for Windows. ReWire was still in the making
when earlier versions of Cubase were released, and therefore these
versions do not support ReWire."
(http://www.propellerheads.se/rebirth/rewire.htm)
From your post, I take it that this information is incorrect?
"Multiple physical outputs on audio cards supported by VST are now
supported by ReBirth as well, through ReWire."
"No need for two audio cards since the sound of ReBirth is streamed
into VST directly, and therefore ReBirth does not require an audio
card all by itself."
(http://www.propellerheads.se/rebirth/rewire.htm)
If this can be implemented by Propellerheads in Rebirth 2, it must be
possible for Steinberg to introduce the same facility in VST for
owners of ASIO driven cards (Korg 1212I/O, Sonorus Studi/o) using
WaveLab or SoundForge as an external audio editor?
Regards,
Nick Williams
Dave Nicholson
>Dave,
>
>Thanks for the information but just a couple of points:
>
>"To use ReWire you need Cubase VST 4.0 (or later) for Macintosh or
>Cubase VST 3.6 (or later) for Windows.
>
>>From your post, I take it that this information is incorrect?
No, this is quite correct, what i did was read 3.553 and answered as if
it was a Mac version which it is not, its a PC !
the questions were:
>>1.) Does VST 3.553 support the Rewire link? (I'm guessing no)
I answered no, that comes in 4.0, when the answer is no that comes in
'3.6 PC'
>>2.) Will there be a free patch/upgrade for 3.5xx that will allow it
>>use the Rewire link?
Again I was in mac mode. The answer is no, this functionality comes in
the 3.6 PC version which replaces the 3.55x PC series, they are not
parallel products.
Please mention the platform you are using when referring to program
versions, in this case there is no room of confusion but I managed it
anyway.
Angus Hewlett
(re ReWire)
>
> If this can be implemented by Propellerheads in Rebirth 2, it must be
> possible for Steinberg to introduce the same facility in VST for
> owners of ASIO driven cards (Korg 1212I/O, Sonorus Studi/o) using
> WaveLab or SoundForge as an external audio editor?
It's possible. What Steinberg would need to do is write an ASIO-input
driver that appeared to other apps as a WAV-output driver. This would be
an extremely useful add-in to the 'virtual studio', as it would allow
ANY MME-compatible softsynths, wav-editors, et cetera, to stream
directly in to VST. Will Steinberg do this? Personally, I doubt it, but
it'd be nice to see.
Cheers,
AFH
Andrew Martens
> >>1.) Does VST 3.553 support the Rewire link? (I'm guessing no)
>
> I answered no, that comes in 4.0, when the answer is no that comes in
> '3.6 PC'
>
> >>2.) Will there be a free patch/upgrade for 3.5xx that will allow it
> >>use the Rewire link?
>
> Again I was in mac mode. The answer is no, this functionality comes in
> the 3.6 PC version which replaces the 3.55x PC series, they are not
> parallel products.
Thanks for your answers to my questions, Dave. Sorry to bother you, but
I've got one more:
Since they are not parallel products, is Steinberg going to say "Anyone
who buys VST 3.5xx after <insert date here> will get a free upgrade"
like Propellerhead Software did with Rebirth 1.5 to 2.0 very recently?
I'm assuming that Steinberg won't, but it never hurts to ask. It would
be really nice if Steinberg would do an upgrade policy like this,
because I'm waiting to buy VST and Rebirth, and if I'm getting RB 2.0, I
may as well get VST 3.6 for PC.... Otherwise I'm still going to have to
use some crazy MIDI-loopback device despite having a newer version of
RB...
Cheers,
Skippy
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pe...@dircon.co.uk
>Nick Williams said:
>
>>Dave,
>>
>>Thanks for the information but just a couple of points:
>>
>>"To use ReWire you need Cubase VST 4.0 (or later) for Macintosh or
>>Cubase VST 3.6 (or later) for Windows.
>>
>>>From your post, I take it that this information is incorrect?
>
>No, this is quite correct, what i did was read 3.553 and answered as if
>it was a Mac version which it is not, its a PC !
>
>the questions were:
>
>
>I answered no, that comes in 4.0, when the answer is no that comes in
>'3.6 PC'
>
>>>2.) Will there be a free patch/upgrade for 3.5xx that will allow it
>>>use the Rewire link?
>
>Again I was in mac mode. The answer is no, this functionality comes in
>the 3.6 PC version which replaces the 3.55x PC series, they are not
>parallel products.
>
ReBirth 1.5 was based on the pre-release info about 2.0 (to which I am
supposed to be receiving a free upgrade- does anyone know when UK users
should receive theirs?).
This info didn't mention anything about an upgrade being required to VST in
order to use ReWire, and I'd be willing to bet that this feature is the one
that most users want from RB 2.0.
I really feel that I am being ripped off if I am being asked to spend more
money in order to get ReWire to work!
Please tell me that this isn't the case.
When can we expect VST 3.6 PC to be released?
Cheers,
Pete Jinman
Chris Trobridge
> who buys VST 3.5xx after <insert date here> will get a free upgrade"
> like Propellerhead Software did with Rebirth 1.5 to 2.0 very recently?
The shop I intend buying from is already advertising a free upgrade to 3.6
if you buy 3.5 now.
> I'm assuming that Steinberg won't, but it never hurts to ask. It would
> be really nice if Steinberg would do an upgrade policy like this,
> because I'm waiting to buy VST and Rebirth, and if I'm getting RB 2.0, I
> may as well get VST 3.6 for PC.... Otherwise I'm still going to have to
> use some crazy MIDI-loopback device despite having a newer version of
> RB...
Well I am in a similar situation. I will buy the the Yamaha DSP Factory
when it arrives anytime now (the SW1000XG seems to be doing a Layla).
It appears that it will be necessary to use Cubase VST XT (which I don't
have) to get the full integration between Cubase and the DSP Factory, but
there are conflicting stories. Now I also need to upgrade Wavelab from
1.6->2, but if I upgrade both these programs it will as cheap to buy whole
*new* programs (Producer's Pack) and get the plugins thrown in...
So what I need to know is... Is the 'Audio'/'XT' version of Cubase
necessary to get integration with DSP Factory (integration as per the
Yamaha web page?). Also when is/will be the cut-off day for free upgrades
to PC VST 3.6?
Time scales for the product would be nice too, but I know we're living in
the real world!
Thanks,
Chris
> Cheers,
> Skippy
Ben
>I assume that VST PC 3.6 will be a free upgrade then. My decision to buy
>ReBirth 1.5 was based on the pre-release info about 2.0 (to which I am
>supposed to be receiving a free upgrade- does anyone know when UK users
>should receive theirs?).
>This info didn't mention anything about an upgrade being required to VST in
>order to use ReWire, and I'd be willing to bet that this feature is the one
>that most users want from RB 2.0.
>I really feel that I am being ripped off if I am being asked to spend more
>money in order to get ReWire to work!
>Please tell me that this isn't the case.
>When can we expect VST 3.6 PC to be released?
>
>Cheers,
>
>Pete Jinman
I really hate to post a "me too", but "me too."
The pre-release info about Rebirth 2.0 said nothing about needing a new
version of Cubase VST. Of course, in a purely legal sense, most pre-release
info is marked clearly as being subject to change w/o notice. So this is
merely a matter of Steinberg public relations. Do they want to piss people
off for a few bucks? Did they really invest that much in the 3.6 upgrade?
Personally, I think the 3.6 upgrade should be free for 3.55 owners who have
spent the additional $$$ on a Rebirth 2.0 upgrade, or were entitled to a 2.0
upgrade.
If 3.6 includes a ton of UI enhancements like the Mac 4.0 product, then I'd
consider forking out more cash for it. If all it does is add Rewire support,
fix some bugs, and add 4 more effects slots (yeeha), then I may upgrade, but
you can bet my vocal enthusiasm for Steinberg will be diminished.
The audio software market is too crowded to start fucking with an installed
user base. Its not *that* hard to jump ship and never look back.
Ben
Dave Nicholson
>Thanks for your answers to my questions, Dave. Sorry to bother you, but
>I've got one more:
>
>Since they are not parallel products, is Steinberg going to say "Anyone
>who buys VST 3.5xx after <insert date here> will get a free upgrade"
assuming we ar talking PC here :-) .....
in this case there is no need to worry as 3.6 is a free update over 3.5xx.
>I'm assuming that Steinberg won't, but it never hurts to ask.
you see, it did not hurt a bit.
happy tuesday,
Thimo Koberling
> 1.) Does VST 3.553 support the Rewire link? (I'm guessing no)
> 2.) Will there be a free patch/upgrade for 3.5xx that will allow it to
> use the Rewire link?
1. No.
2. No.
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* Thimo Koberling.
* Steinberg Tech Support.
*
Andrew Martens
and this is what Dave Nicholson said:
> >Thanks for your answers to my questions, Dave. Sorry to bother you, but
> >I've got one more:
> >
> >Since they are not parallel products, is Steinberg going to say "Anyone
> >who buys VST 3.5xx after <insert date here> will get a free upgrade"
>
> assuming we ar talking PC here :-) .....
>
> in this case there is no need to worry as 3.6 is a free update over 3.5xx.
>
> >I'm assuming that Steinberg won't, but it never hurts to ask.
>
> you see, it did not hurt a bit.
>
> happy tuesday,
So we're agreed that 3.5xx doesn't support Rewire. That's fine.... but
Thimo, are you talking about the Mac version upgrade? I'm only
concerned with the PC version. And I'm wanting to know who is right and
who is wrong.
So the FINAL question (rephrased for the nth time) is:
Q: Is the PC version of VST (3.6) that will include the Rewire link
going to be a free update from 3.5xx?
Dave, Thimo, please answer this. With two conflicting answers from you
guys, I am going crazy!
Cheers,
Skippy
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David_...@dpsu.com
answers!
1. Will the PC upgrade from 3.553 to 3.6 be free? I understand
YES
2. Will the PC upgrade 3.6 support Rewire? I understand
NO
Where's the confusion?
Andrew Martens
>
> It seems to me that the 're two different questions with two different
> answers!
>
> 1. Will the PC upgrade from 3.553 to 3.6 be free? I understand
> YES
This is the source of confusion. I got a call from Mike from Steinberg
about 2 minutes (yes, 2 minutes) after I posted my "I'm really confused
about these conflicting responses and I'm going crazy" message. He says
he _suspects_ (or words to that effect; ie. no guarantee, but probably)
it will be a free downloadable upgrade or CD trade-in.
And for all of you people who say that Steinberg never helps out....
well, this is the first question/problem that I've had regarding their
products (not having bought them yet, mind you), and they phoned me up
to spare my sanity! I'm impressed!
>
> 2. Will the PC upgrade 3.6 support Rewire? I understand
> NO
>
> Where's the confusion?
This is the one point I'm sure about. May I quote from Dave Nicholson?
Ok? Great.... My question is the triple quoted one:
> >>1.) Does VST 3.553 support the Rewire link? (I'm guessing no)
>
> I answered no, that comes in 4.0, when the answer is no that comes in
> '3.6 PC'
And also from Dave (in a different post):
> Cubase 3.6 is the next project for us here.
>
> It will contain the Rewire Link, and the audio architecture of the 4.0
Mike from Steinberg who called me said that Rewire will be in 3.6. No
response that I have read from Steinberg has ever been contrary to
this.
The question is whether the upgrade to 3.6 is free or not. Hence my
rephrased question (quoted from my "going crazy again" post):
> Q: Is the PC version of VST (3.6) that will include the Rewire link
> going to be a free update from 3.5xx?
Cheers,
Skippy
Thimo Koberling
I only read the word "patch" in the second question and thought about
something like: I want to have a patch so I can run ReWire with VST
3.55x.
(Don't know why I thought this, sorry again.)
Anyways, since Dave has less hair than I do he must have done more
thinking and therefore he was right ! (Attention: JOKE!)
ReWire will be introduced on PC with VST 3.6, which will - as it looks
like right now - be a free update.
No release dates have been set yet, neither has a final feature list.
In order to reverse that "you're always releasing behind schedule"-thing
I dare to say the new version will be out somewhen this year ! (1998)
Andrew Martens schrieb:
>
> Oh, crap. Now I am _REALLY_ confused. This is what Thimo says:
> > > 2.) Will there be a free patch/upgrade for 3.5xx that will allow it to
> > > use the Rewire link?
> >
> > 1. No.
> > 2. No.
> Q: Is the PC version of VST (3.6) that will include the Rewire link
> going to be a free update from 3.5xx?
--
r...@bc.sympatico.ca
>
> 1. Will the PC upgrade from 3.553 to 3.6 be free? I understand
> YES
>
Say Guys,,, here's what I was told from Steinberg Direct when recently
upgrading to Cubase 3.55 XT-Vst..
1. Owners of Cubase Xt-Vst 3.55 WILL RECIEVE 3.6 as a free upgrade as
this 24 Bit version will be replacing Cubase XT.
2. All other Cubase (non 3.55 "Xt" users of regular subase VST) will
have to PAY for 3.6 upgrade. I was told by Steinberg that it would be in
the $375.00 area (Canadian that is )..
Now This was the main reason I went to 3.55 XT-VST because by doing so
I would save Money & get to 3.6 at a lower cost than upgrading to 3.55
VST then switching over to 3.6...
This had better hold up to be True.. I had no intention of going to
Cubase XT-VST until this was pointed out to me.. It cost me more to
upgrade to XT-VST than it would have to just upgrade to 3.55 VST... So
If regular 3.55 users get the 3.6 for free Steinberg is going to owe mew
a Refund.. ( I could live with that ).
Cheers.
Dave Nicholson
Argh.
Hopefully to nail this subject clearly to the floor.....
The next version of the PC Cubase VST will be version 3.6
The will no 3.554 version.
The 3.6 is a free update.
The 3.6 supports the ReWire link that allows ReBirth and Cubase to
cooperate.
ps. Thimo, I choose to have no hair - because it makes me look scary.
Nick Williams
Will there be a VST/24 3.6 for PC?
Regards,
Nick Williams
-----Original Message-----
From: owner-cub...@mcc.ac.uk
[mailto:owner-cub...@mcc.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Dave Nicholson
Sent: 31 July 1998 11:48
To: Andrew Martens
Cc: cubase...@mcc.ac.uk
Subject: Re: Cubase VST/24 (4.0) WOW !!!!
Rodney Orpheus
>I've tried Cubase 4.0 Mac at the booth and saw some demo that was
>peformed by a man from Steinberg.de were just great...... I hope it will
>comes to PC real soon :)
Glad you liked the demo Takahiro... You should have come up and said
hello though!
Rodney
r...@bc.sympatico.ca
>
> Dave says....
>
> Argh.
>
> Hopefully to nail this subject clearly to the floor.....
>
> The next version of the PC Cubase VST will be version 3.6
> The 3.6 is a free update.
> ------------------------------------------------
> Dave Nicholson - Cubase Product Manager
>
> Steinberg Soft-und Hardware GmbH
>
> email: d.nic...@steinberg.de
> ------------------------------------------------
Well then Mr. Nicholson..
Thanks for making it quite clear that I spent extra money when
recently upgrading to Cubase 3.55 Xt-VST from Cubase Score For Nothing.
If this is indeen true You folks at steinberg Will Owe Me a Refund
Because I was "SPECIFICALY TOLD CUBASE 24 was a free upgrade ONLY For XT
Users" and that is the only reason I went the XT Upgrade Route..
In Fact this same thing was told to other people Upgrading to VST-XT
for the same reason..
I Have been in contact with some of them Personaly & Speak only
the truth here.!
***Anyone reading this who was also given the same story, Please Contact
Me Directly & we will submit a refund request "En Mass"..**
...This Upgrade story seems to have been told to Many Users......
And Mr. Nicholson has just now confirmed it to be a False
representation!
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**Selling an upgrade under false pretences Must not be tolerated..!!
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And i'm refering to Pricing, not software preformance ability, which is
a whole other subject.
Long time Cubase User. !
Garth.