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Eddie

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Apr 22, 2002, 10:38:26 AM4/22/02
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here's the situation: (sorry if its a newb quesiton but im stumped)

I currently have a 7ms Latency from my Echo Mia Sound card which is more
than playable for me. However, i've run into a problem. After recording a
vst instrument to a click track, when i listen to the part after recording
it, the notes seemed "nudged" ahead of the beat. For instance, i had a bad
ass drummer over on sunday playing kick and snare on my keyboard through
lm7. While he was playing it sounded so on with the click that it was hard
to hear the click at times. However, on playback, the track was
consistently off from the click. And seemed like it sometimes "hiccuped"
and totally lost sync all together.

Is there a workaround for this? Can someone point me in the right
direction? I know i must be missing something here.

Thanks in advance,

Eddie

Here's my hardware setup.

Athlon XP 1700
Soltek dRV-4 Motherboard with 256 RAM
Echo Mia
Onboard Sound AC-97 (i use this for midi input)
ASR -10 Sampling Keyboard (used just for playing vst instruments).
Cubase 5.1
Windows XP (Tweaked for audio, with no extra junk)
one 10 Gig HD for System/Apps
one 40 GIG maxtor 7200 HD for Audio ONLY.

Tony J

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Apr 22, 2002, 12:54:02 PM4/22/02
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Eddie

Try having a look at yesterdays thread from Eric Leake at 6.13 am it maybe
the same thing we encountered

Tony j

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Eddie

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Apr 22, 2002, 2:16:09 PM4/22/02
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Tony,

I just finished reading the thread and i indeed am having a similar problem
to Eric Leake. However,
My midi does not get offset by as much as 2 or 3 beats. We're tlaking maybe
1/2 to 3/4 of a beat that the midi is not "lining up".

I will , however, check what my preroll settings are when i get home from
work.

Someone on the cubase.net forum suggested using an "audio" cilck track to
match the midi to audio delay setting in cubase. I'm worried however , that
this will effect quantizing.

Any one else have any ideas? Or does everyone's system just sync
automatically?

Ed
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ELake

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Apr 22, 2002, 7:40:11 PM4/22/02
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Eddie-this is Eric Leake. (changed my name :) I switched my system to sync
with the audio card. That was the ticket for me. No one has responded to
my question whether this will have other ramifications, but for now, the
midi timing is tight. Double click "Sync" on the transport, and select your
Echo Mia as the timing source on all the options.

If someone else thinks this is not a good idea, please let us know why!

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Laurence Payne

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Apr 22, 2002, 8:05:15 PM4/22/02
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Personally, I'm just amazed that, if this works, it hasn't been
discovered before!

In the Audio System page, Midi Synch Reference is normally set to
Audio Clock. (Thought -- I suppose yours *is*?). Nothing in the
Sync page should make any difference unless an external sync signal is
actually coming from somewhere. In which case things can get rather
complicated :-) But this isn't, I think, the case?

Aphelion

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Apr 22, 2002, 8:21:33 PM4/22/02
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I don't understand this at all.

On the sync page I have both
Timecode Base = Internal
Tempo Base = Internal

Frame rate is 30fps (not being used)

And everything else is either OFF or blank.

Ap

ELake

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Apr 22, 2002, 11:44:24 PM4/22/02
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From what I can figure out, the basic premise here is what device is
providing the midi timing: either your sound card is a slave to cubase, or
cubase is a slave to your card. My timing issues were cleared up directly
after making cubase look to my Audiophile for midi timing, instead of the
other way around. Can't say it will work for everyone.

-e.

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Laurence Payne

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Apr 23, 2002, 5:53:07 AM4/23/02
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It's just that Cubase normally takes timing from the soundcard clock,
unless you specifically tell it to look for an external source.

I'm glad it works for you! I'd love to know *why* :-)

>From what I can figure out, the basic premise here is what device is
>providing the midi timing: either your sound card is a slave to cubase, or
>cubase is a slave to your card. My timing issues were cleared up directly
>after making cubase look to my Audiophile for midi timing, instead of the
>other way around. Can't say it will work for everyone.

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