Who would win Chewie or Worf??

[Insane Ranter]

Whose the better hand to hand fight???

[Dalton]

Insane Ranter wrote:

Well, hello there.

--
Rob "Roby" Dalton
http://daltonator.net

"I need a drink."
"You don't drink."
"Yeah, but I've been meaning to start."
---UHF

[Paradox]

"Insane Ranter" <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message
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> Whose the better hand to hand fight???
>

Worf looses to Bajoran and Romulan females, wookies tear the arms off
people, lets think about this...

[Stuart Mackey]

"Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message
news:3C1C3DB9...@daltonator.net...

> Insane Ranter wrote:
>
> Well, hello there.
>
> --
> Rob "Roby" Dalton
> http://daltonator.net

go on go on go on -give him the speil :)

[James MacDone]

Yep, definetly Chewie........

Chewbacca: Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrgh
C-3PO: He made a fair move. Screaming about it can't help you.
Han Solo: Let him have it. It's not wise to upset a Wookiee.
C-3PO: But sir, nobody worries about upsetting a droid.
Han Solo: That's 'cause droids don't pull people's arms out of their sockets
when they lose. Wookiees are known to do that.
Chewbacca: Grrf.
C-3PO: I see your point, sir. I suggest a new strategy, R2: let the Wookiee
win.

Worf is good as toast.

Jamie McBain

"Paradox" <l33ta0...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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[Dalton]

I Say No to Crossposters.

--
Rob "Roby" Dalton
http://daltonator.net

"I need a drink."

[Stuart Mackey]

"Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message

news:3C1C4306...@daltonator.net...

> Stuart Mackey wrote:
> >
> > "Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C1C3DB9...@daltonator.net...
> > > Insane Ranter wrote:
> > >
> > > Well, hello there.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Rob "Roby" Dalton
> > > http://daltonator.net
> >
> > go on go on go on -give him the speil :)
>
> I Say No to Crossposters.

Just Say No huh?
So who is the head of the ant-peer pressure goup here then? :)

[Dalton]

Stuart Mackey wrote:
>
> "Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message
> news:3C1C4306...@daltonator.net...
> > Stuart Mackey wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3C1C3DB9...@daltonator.net...
> > > > Insane Ranter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, hello there.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob "Roby" Dalton
> > > > http://daltonator.net
> > >
> > > go on go on go on -give him the speil :)
> >
> > I Say No to Crossposters.
>
> Just Say No huh?
> So who is the head of the ant-peer pressure goup here then? :)

Kynes?

--
Rob "Roby" Dalton
http://daltonator.net

"I need a drink."

[Stuart Mackey]

"Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message

news:3C1C4FF5...@daltonator.net...

> Stuart Mackey wrote:
> >
> > "Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message
> > news:3C1C4306...@daltonator.net...
> > > Stuart Mackey wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message
> > > > news:3C1C3DB9...@daltonator.net...
> > > > > Insane Ranter wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Well, hello there.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Rob "Roby" Dalton
> > > > > http://daltonator.net
> > > >
> > > > go on go on go on -give him the speil :)
> > >
> > > I Say No to Crossposters.
> >
> > Just Say No huh?
> > So who is the head of the ant-peer pressure goup here then? :)
>
> Kynes?

Lol, I would have thought O'Farell or Edam

[uray]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2001 00:07:42 -0600, Insane Ranter wrote:

> Whose the better hand to hand fight???
>

Chewie's a pussycat.I vote Worf.

But, pussycats can scratch real bad....

uray

[C'Pi]

"Insane Ranter" <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message
news:tKWS7.108187$AR6.3...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...

> Whose the better hand to hand fight???

Ya know, when there is a whole fucking newsgroup devoted to stuff like this,
is it really necessary to post it to two more?

C'Pi

[Stuart Mackey]

"C'Pi" <jas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:9vhqki$fi2c3$1...@ID-111793.news.dfncis.de...

As I frequent the VS newsgroup ASVS, I am in agreement with you.

[Mark]

Don't look at us, he's not one of ours.

--
http://homepages.paradise.net.nz/spyda
ICQ#: 39921647

[MindB_ender]

Insane Ranter wrote:
>
> Whose the better hand to hand fight???

they are devided by space (galaxies, but might also be universes) and
time (probably millenia) so luckily we never will need to know, want to
know, can know or whatever... now go play in alt.starwars.vs.startrek or
something

[Kazuaki Shimazaki]

> something.

True, these issues are best resolved at ASVS :)

------
From a visitor of ASVS, which even as he speaks is now leaving so as to
leave you alone

[Anomaly]

Chewie is too clumsy. And Worf is a Warrior! Worf would win.

"Insane Ranter" <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message
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[Eleas]

"Anomaly" <sonic...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:004T7.3304$RS2.63324
@juliett.dax.net:

> Chewie is too clumsy. And Worf is a Warrior! Worf would win.

Imitating logic:
A banana is yellow. The moon is white. It's obvious the banana is heavier.

--
Björn

[Deimos Anomaly]

Anomaly wrote:

<snip>

BTW guys this is not me.

--
September 11, 2001 - A day which will live forever in infamy.

[Eleas]

Deimos Anomaly <samj_...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:3C1CCE0C.1F3247F8
@hotmail.com:

> Anomaly wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> BTW guys this is not me.

Be calm, Deimos. His address is not the same.

We might call him Phobos, perhaps.

--
Björn

[Cmdrwilkens]

"Eleas" <fenix...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9179B2F62491Ef...@130.133.1.4...

Well shit is't a banana heavier than the moon? I mean after all the banana
normallt exists in a greater gravitational field therefore it must be
heavier.

--
Lcpl Burnett, G.R
USMCR

"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the
enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion."
-Unknown

[Eleas]

"Cmdrwilkens" <cmdrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:hp5T7.4772$gw3.2...@news1.rdc1.md.home.com:

> "Eleas" <fenix...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9179B2F62491Ef...@130.133.1.4...
>> "Anomaly" <sonic...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:004T7.3304$RS2.63324
>> @juliett.dax.net:
>>
>> > Chewie is too clumsy. And Worf is a Warrior! Worf would win.
>>
>> Imitating logic:
>> A banana is yellow. The moon is white. It's obvious the banana is
>> heavier.
>>
>
> Well shit is't a banana heavier than the moon? I mean after all the
> banana normallt exists in a greater gravitational field therefore it
> must be heavier.

By golly, you're right! Let's call those hacks at MIT, shall we?

--
Björn

[C.S.Strowbridge]

Insane Banter wrote:

> Whose the better hand to hand fight???

Chewie, and it's not even close.

C.S.Strowbridge

[Cmdrwilkens]

"Eleas" <fenix...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:Xns9179CB8FAA5EDf...@130.133.1.4...

I've already alerted CalTech and they assure me that their physics
department would be more than happy to show those idiots in Boston screwed
up again.

--
Lcpl Burnett, G.R
USMCR

Bridge Company A, 6th EngnrSptBN, 4th FSSG

[Eleas]

"Cmdrwilkens" <cmdrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:bC8T7.5192$gw3.2...@news1.rdc1.md.home.com:

> "Eleas" <fenix...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:Xns9179CB8FAA5EDf...@130.133.1.4...
>> "Cmdrwilkens" <cmdrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in
>> news:hp5T7.4772$gw3.2...@news1.rdc1.md.home.com:
>>
>> > "Eleas" <fenix...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:Xns9179B2F62491Ef...@130.133.1.4...
>> >> "Anomaly" <sonic...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> >> news:004T7.3304$RS2.63324 @juliett.dax.net:
>> >>
>> >> > Chewie is too clumsy. And Worf is a Warrior! Worf would win.
>> >>
>> >> Imitating logic:
>> >> A banana is yellow. The moon is white. It's obvious the banana is
>> >> heavier.
>> >>
>> >
>> > Well shit is't a banana heavier than the moon? I mean after all the
>> > banana normallt exists in a greater gravitational field therefore it
>> > must be heavier.
>>
>> By golly, you're right! Let's call those hacks at MIT, shall we?
>>
>
> I've already alerted CalTech and they assure me that their physics
> department would be more than happy to show those idiots in Boston
> screwed up again.

Smashing, we're on a roll here. Oh, I just remembered, is there a potential
for making cash out of this or is it just boring theory?

--
Björn

[Crayz9000]

In alt.startrek.vs.starwars, MindB_ender
<A.C.W.T...@STUDENT.TUDelft.NL> found
<3C1C9838...@STUDENT.TUDelft.NL> on Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:48:56 +0100...

Not sure you've noticed, but he's getting flamed by ASVS regs.
--
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UT: {AGUT}Freak'o'Nature
http://asvsaa.8m.net/index2.html (ASVS Auxiliary Archive)

[Crayz9000]

In alt.startrek.vs.starwars, Deimos Anomaly <samj_...@hotmail.com> found
<3C1CCE0C...@hotmail.com> on Sun, 16 Dec 2001 16:38:36 +0000...

>Anomaly wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>BTW guys this is not me.

No, he's a poster from alt.fan.starwars.

[Lee A. Powers]

"Paradox" <l33ta0...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<10084843...@globe.atl2.mindspring.net>...

> "Insane Ranter" <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message
> news:tKWS7.108187$AR6.3...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...

> > Whose the better hand to hand fight??? (Chewie or Worf??)

> >
>
> Worf looses to Bajoran and Romulan females, wookies tear the arms off
> people, lets think about this...

Worf would definitely kick Chewie's furry ass...my reasoning: Worf has
been trained in martial arts, and is a specialist in hand to hand
combat. Chewie bitches up a storm whenever anyone tries to take his
crossbow from him. Obviously, he knows that without his weapon he is
absolutely ineffective as a fighter. He hides behind a blaster like
the sissy, oversized puppy that he is.

A better question to ask: Who would win in hand to hand combat? Luke
Skywalker or Worf? Both have extensive training using
non-blaster/phaser weapons, and both have proven themselves in battle.
But let's assume for this challenge that Skywalker cannot use force
powers, just to make the fight fair. Who is better at fighting with
their respecitve weapon?

My money is on Worf....

=========================
Lee Powers"terror the product you push/I'm a truth addict/Aw shit I
got a head rush"
=========================

[Christopher M.]

Insane Ranter <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message
news:tKWS7.108187$AR6.3...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
> Whose the better hand to hand fight???

I vote for Worf because he can kick hard.
(Chewie doesn't wear underwear)

W. Pooh (AKA Winnie P.)

[Iceberg]

"Christopher M." <cm_a...@hotmail.com> spake thusly:

Chewie can kick Worf's ass so hard that he'll part his hair when he
farts.

-- Mark

"Today's tears are the way to joy, Failure leads to success
I know it will always be this way. Don't wanna say 'Give Up!'"
- Priss and the Replicants, "Chase the Dream"
Bubblegum Crisis 8: Scoop Chase

[Cmdrwilkens]

"Crayz9000" <crayz900...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:uosp1ug75sms738n5...@4ax.com...

> In alt.startrek.vs.starwars, MindB_ender
> <A.C.W.T...@STUDENT.TUDelft.NL> found
> <3C1C9838...@STUDENT.TUDelft.NL> on Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:48:56
+0100...
> >Insane Ranter wrote:
> >>
> >> Whose the better hand to hand fight???
> >
> >they are devided by space (galaxies, but might also be universes) and
> >time (probably millenia) so luckily we never will need to know, want to
> >know, can know or whatever... now go play in alt.starwars.vs.startrek or
> >something
>
> Not sure you've noticed, but he's getting flamed by ASVS regs.
> --

Dude if you keep posting he might realize that he inverted the two names and
then we'd have even more people to burn in a Xenophobic rage.

[Cmdrwilkens]

"Eleas" <fenix...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:Xns9179E93523F7Ff...@130.133.1.4...

Only if we get Chiquita to back us during the press conference.

[Lee Amon]

The answer is:

http://www.grudge-match.com/History/chew-worf.shtml

"Insane Ranter" <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message
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[Garry]

"Stuart Mackey" <jut...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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>
> "Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message
> news:3C1C4306...@daltonator.net...
> > Stuart Mackey wrote:
> > >
> > > "Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message
> > > news:3C1C3DB9...@daltonator.net...
> > > > Insane Ranter wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Well, hello there.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Rob "Roby" Dalton
> > > > http://daltonator.net
> > >
> > > go on go on go on -give him the speil :)
> >
> > I Say No to Crossposters.
>
> Just Say No huh?
> So who is the head of the ant-peer pressure goup here then? :)
>

I don't know - I only joined cos all my friends were doing it.

-Garry

[Azazal]

"Insane Ranter" <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message news:<tKWS7.108187$AR6.3...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com>...
> Whose the better hand to hand fight???

IR get back to RGMW. Did Big Al let you out of your cell again?

[MindB_ender]

Crayz9000 wrote:
>
> In alt.startrek.vs.starwars, MindB_ender
> <A.C.W.T...@STUDENT.TUDelft.NL> found
> <3C1C9838...@STUDENT.TUDelft.NL> on Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:48:56 +0100...
> >Insane Ranter wrote:
> >>
> >> Whose the better hand to hand fight???
> >
> >they are devided by space (galaxies, but might also be universes) and
> >time (probably millenia) so luckily we never will need to know, want to
> >know, can know or whatever... now go play in alt.starwars.vs.startrek or
> >something
>
> Not sure you've noticed, but he's getting flamed by ASVS regs.

as he should be ;P

[MindB_ender]

Cmdrwilkens wrote:
>
> "Crayz9000" <crayz900...@nowhere.com> wrote in message
> news:uosp1ug75sms738n5...@4ax.com...
> > In alt.startrek.vs.starwars, MindB_ender
> > <A.C.W.T...@STUDENT.TUDelft.NL> found
> > <3C1C9838...@STUDENT.TUDelft.NL> on Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:48:56
> +0100...
> > >Insane Ranter wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Whose the better hand to hand fight???
> > >
> > >they are devided by space (galaxies, but might also be universes) and
> > >time (probably millenia) so luckily we never will need to know, want to
> > >know, can know or whatever... now go play in alt.starwars.vs.startrek or
> > >something
> >
> > Not sure you've noticed, but he's getting flamed by ASVS regs.
> > --
>
> Dude if you keep posting he might realize that he inverted the two names and
> then we'd have even more people to burn in a Xenophobic rage.

nahh, i just always place the more important subject in the front:P

[Eleas]

"Cmdrwilkens" <cmdrw...@yahoo.com> wrote in
news:zIfT7.5803$gw3.3...@news1.rdc1.md.home.com:

Capital, get to it sir.

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[ryan]

pyg...@hotmail.com (Lee A. Powers) wrote in message news:<9735202b.01121...@posting.google.com>...

> "Paradox" <l33ta0...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<10084843...@globe.atl2.mindspring.net>...
> > "Insane Ranter" <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message
> > news:tKWS7.108187$AR6.3...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
> > > Whose the better hand to hand fight??? (Chewie or Worf??)
> > >
> >
> > Worf looses to Bajoran and Romulan females, wookies tear the arms off
> > people, lets think about this...
>
> Worf would definitely kick Chewie's furry ass...my reasoning: Worf has
> been trained in martial arts, and is a specialist in hand to hand
> combat. Chewie bitches up a storm whenever anyone tries to take his
> crossbow from him. Obviously, he knows that without his weapon he is
> absolutely ineffective as a fighter. He hides behind a blaster like
> the sissy, oversized puppy that he is.
>
> A better question to ask: Who would win in hand to hand combat? Luke
> Skywalker or Worf? Both have extensive training using
> non-blaster/phaser weapons, and both have proven themselves in battle.
> But let's assume for this challenge that Skywalker cannot use force
> powers, just to make the fight fair. Who is better at fighting with
> their respecitve weapon?
>
> My money is on Worf....
>

If you're going to say Luke can't use the force, then worf shouldn't
be able to use any of his combat training. In eithor case lightsabers
whup the crap out of bat'leth. Winner Luke easily.

Oh and Chewie threw an armoured trooper back about 8 feet in the
detention center scene and lifted lando up off the ground almost
effortlessly. Has worf done anything similer?

[Anybody]

In article <3C1D10C6...@shaw.ca>, "C.S.Strowbridge"
<csstro...@shaw.ca> wrote:

And even if Worf somehow managed to get Chewie close to losing, Han
would pop out from behind a wall with his blaster. :-)

[Lord Cyberwize]

Ahh, but that's when Q, using the force, open a space/time portal and
persuades them to meet inside. Then they insult each other after not being
able to pass within the wormhole. Then Worf beams over inside the Falcon to
do battle, but dies as Chewie uses his razer claws all over him.

Lord Cyberwize

"MindB_ender" <A.C.W.T...@STUDENT.TUDelft.NL> wrote in message
news:3C1C9838...@STUDENT.TUDelft.NL...

> Insane Ranter wrote:
> >
> > Whose the better hand to hand fight???
>

[Weyoun the Dancing Borg]

me#

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[Weyoun the Dancing Borg]

LOL

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[Anybody]

"Eleas" <fenix...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9179B2F62491Ef...@130.133.1.4...
> "Anomaly" <sonic...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:004T7.3304$RS2.63324
> @juliett.dax.net:
>
> > Chewie is too clumsy. And Worf is a Warrior! Worf would win.
>
> Imitating logic:
> A banana is yellow. The moon is white. It's obvious the banana is heavier.

Since there's very little gravity in space, the banana on Earth
probably does "weigh" more than the moon in space.

;-)

[Weyoun the Dancing Borg]

no your logic is flawed.

or is it.

erm, weight is it's mass in a certian gravametric field right?

so althought he MASS never changes, it's weight will. A Banana may have a
mass of, say, 300 grams.

On Earth it WEIGHS 300 grams. On the moon it would weigh (wiegh? - i before
e except after c) 300g / 6 (the mooons gravitational field is one sixth of
earths).

so that's: (maths was not a strong point) 50 grams.

or something.#

i forgot where iw as goign with this.

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[Stones]

On Tue, 18 Dec 2001 19:36:34 -0000, "Weyoun the Dancing Borg"
<wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> got wasted, then babbled:

>no your logic is flawed.
>
>or is it.
>
>erm, weight is it's mass in a certian gravametric field right?
>
>so althought he MASS never changes, it's weight will. A Banana may have a
>mass of, say, 300 grams.
>
>On Earth it WEIGHS 300 grams. On the moon it would weigh (wiegh? - i before
>e except after c) 300g / 6 (the mooons gravitational field is one sixth of
>earths).

No, you spelt it right the first time. The full saying is 'i before e
except after c, when the sound is 'ee''.

>so that's: (maths was not a strong point) 50 grams.

Correct.

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[Weyoun the Dancing Borg]

> No, you spelt it right the first time. The full saying is 'i before e
> except after c, when the sound is 'ee''.

ahh, I never knew that :)

>
> >so that's: (maths was not a strong point) 50 grams.
>
> Correct.

that's ok then :)

I still can't remember where I was going with it.

I suppose, since the moon is not in a gravitational field (let's ignore the
sun and earth) it has no actual weight.

but factor in the sun and earth and I;m sure tha tit weighs something :)

[Matthew Hyde]

Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
>
> no your logic is flawed.
>
> or is it.
>
> erm, weight is it's mass in a certian gravametric field right?

OK, OK. I am really bored and this bugs me. Just to prove how bored I
am, here's GMm/r^2. "Weight" is force exerted by 2 bodies on each other.
The mass of the moon is on the order of 10^22 kg. Relative to Earth or
the sun, it's on the order of 10^20. So either way, just because it's in
space doesn't mean it weighs little or nothing; that _perception_ can
come about because, if you are in a freefall, you will feel weightless
(no reaction forces--yet). The moon is in freefall. But, and this goes
back to the rollercoaster thread, the x and y velocities are not
"independent." As Kynes pointed out, the y-velocity is "converted" into
x-velocity. We are in freefall towards the sun, but all the velocity is
in the tangential direction, just as a rollercoaster would fall off its
loops if it were not constrained to a curving track. So no matter what,
the moon will always weigh more than Dalton.

I'm my own inertial frame!

--

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http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy

[Matthew Hyde]

Matthew Hyde wrote:
>
> Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
> >
> > no your logic is flawed.
> >
> > or is it.
> >
> > erm, weight is it's mass in a certian gravametric field right?
>
> OK, OK. I am really bored and this bugs me. Just to prove how bored I
> am, here's GMm/r^2. "Weight" is force exerted by 2 bodies on each other.
> The mass of the moon is on the order of 10^22 kg. Relative to Earth or
> the sun, it's on the order of 10^20.

^^^^^^
That should read "it's 'weight' is on the order of 10^20 newtons,"
that's 10^20 newtons after you run it through the grinder with MoonMass
= 7.35e22 kg.

[Dalton]

No it won't.

> I'm my own inertial frame!

All righty.

--
Rob "Roby" Dalton
http://daltonator.net

"I need a drink."
"You don't drink."
"Yeah, but I've been meaning to start."
---UHF

[Durandal]

Dalton wrote:

> > I'm my own inertial frame!
>
> All righty.

It's true. He is.

--
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I am nobody.
I know everything.

[Weyoun the Dancing Borg]

so erm... is "weight" a body's mass when the body is inside a gravitational
field?

[Matthew Hyde]

Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
>

> so erm... is "weight" a body's mass when the body is inside a gravitational
> field?

Mass times acceleration. We're being accelerated downwards, and our
bodies balance the acceleration so we stay put.

[Darth Ewok]

No, weight is the *force* that acts on a massive body (i.e. a body with
mass) in a gravitational field.

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[Durandal]

Darth Ewok wrote:
>
> No, weight is the *force* that acts on a massive body (i.e. a body with
> mass) in a gravitational field.

No, weight is the result of force. The force that acts on a massive body
to produce weight is gravity.

[Matthew Hyde]

Durandal wrote:
>
> Darth Ewok wrote:
> >
> > No, weight is the *force* that acts on a massive body (i.e. a body with
> > mass) in a gravitational field.
>
> No, weight is the result of force. The force that acts on a massive body
> to produce weight is gravity.
> --

OK, this is like a really bad ep. of SNL:

No, gravity is an acceleration...
lol

Gravitational force is the result of that acceleration, weight is how we
perceive the force, and mass, some smooth continuous nonnegative
function over the union of Borel sets (just thought I'd toss that in for
fun, too bad I can't remember the full thing) gives us inertia, which is
resistance to motion, which is also that perception. But anyway, it
doesn't matter; weight equals ma = F. If x is position according to time
t, then dx/dt is v, dv/dt is a, m(dx/dt) = p momentum, again a way to
express resistance to changes in motion, and dp/dt is F = ma. You have
to exert that much force to overcome somethings resistance to changes in
motion and along the way, this does work, W = Fd or better yet, F dot d.

In space, no one can hear ice cream.

[Durandal]

"Lee A. Powers" wrote:

> Worf would definitely kick Chewie's furry ass...my reasoning: Worf has
> been trained in martial arts, and is a specialist in hand to hand
> combat. Chewie bitches up a storm whenever anyone tries to take his
> crossbow from him. Obviously, he knows that without his weapon he is
> absolutely ineffective as a fighter. He hides behind a blaster like
> the sissy, oversized puppy that he is.

Worf gets beat up by pregnant Bajorans. Chewie is 200+ years old and,
when he was on his homeworld, hunted down his food and killed it with
his bare hands.

> A better question to ask: Who would win in hand to hand combat? Luke
> Skywalker or Worf? Both have extensive training using
> non-blaster/phaser weapons, and both have proven themselves in battle.
> But let's assume for this challenge that Skywalker cannot use force
> powers, just to make the fight fair. Who is better at fighting with
> their respecitve weapon?
>
> My money is on Worf....

Right...Let's take away Luke's key fighting advantage so you can
fantasize about Worf, who gets beat up by pregnant Bajorans, beating a
Jedi Master in a fight, with a lightsaber, no less.
Welcome to the group.

[Graeme Dice]

"Lee A. Powers" wrote:
>
> "Paradox" <l33ta0...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<10084843...@globe.atl2.mindspring.net>...

> > "Insane Ranter" <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message
> > news:tKWS7.108187$AR6.3...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...

> > > Whose the better hand to hand fight??? (Chewie or Worf??)
> > >
> >
> > Worf looses to Bajoran and Romulan females, wookies tear the arms off
> > people, lets think about this...
>

> Worf would definitely kick Chewie's furry ass...my reasoning: Worf has
> been trained in martial arts, and is a specialist in hand to hand
> combat. Chewie bitches up a storm whenever anyone tries to take his
> crossbow from him. Obviously, he knows that without his weapon he is
> absolutely ineffective as a fighter. He hides behind a blaster like
> the sissy, oversized puppy that he is.

Of course, the fact that Stormtrooper armour will protect you from a hit
from a spear that throws you six feet never entered into your mind now,
did it.

> A better question to ask: Who would win in hand to hand combat? Luke
> Skywalker or Worf? Both have extensive training using
> non-blaster/phaser weapons, and both have proven themselves in battle.
> But let's assume for this challenge that Skywalker cannot use force
> powers, just to make the fight fair. Who is better at fighting with
> their respecitve weapon?

While we're at it, why don't we break both of Luke's at the same time.
It would make just as much sense as this argument.

Anyways, Luke swings lightsabre, Worf tries to block with batleth.
Lightsabre cuts through batleth, then Worf. Game over.

Graeme Dice
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[Ell Jay]

Why don't you add a few OTHER groups to X-post this to while you're at it?

[Q]

Chewbacca vs. Worf? What have we seen Chewie do in the movies that
remotely resembles hand-to-hand prowess? All he did was swing around
a blaster and maybe rough up Luke Skywalker a bit. Shit, all the
fucker did was cry when C-3PO played him at a holographic game. He's
probably stronger than Worf but he's clumsy as hell. Worf would take
his head off with a bat'leth, a beat him to a pulp with that fancy
Klingon martial arts. Worf is an expert at hand-to-hand combat,
Chewie's an expert at firing a blaster. Worf wins.

[Matthew Hyde]

You know, today I felt kinda bad because I didn't do so well on a test.
But you have restored my good cheer by reminding me that the world is
full of people like you, who make me look like Albert Fuckin-A Einstein.

[Cmdrwilkens]

"Matthew Hyde" <mdo...@mtu.edu> wrote in message
news:3C209F44...@mtu.edu...

> Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
> >
> > so erm... is "weight" a body's mass when the body is inside a
gravitational
> > field?
>
> Mass times acceleration. We're being accelerated downwards, and our
> bodies balance the acceleration so we stay put.
>

Dud you keep speaking to thin air and I don't think its the crossposting.

--
Lcpl Burnett, G.R
USMCR

"There are only two kinds of people that understand Marines: Marines and the
enemy. Everyone else has a second-hand opinion."
-Unknown

[Q]

Matthew Hyde <mdo...@mtu.edu> wrote in message news:<3C2131A7...@mtu.edu>...

Oh fuckin-really? Great, maybe you can you use fuckin-awsome social
skills and fucking-get a life? Sorry if that sounds fuckin-lame but,
hey, I'm not the fuckin-A genius here now am I?

[Bill Kohlleppel]

Q wrote:

Bullshit. Wookiees train to fight too. Like the Klingons they train to
fight for survival. You forgot about Chewie's brute strength in the form
of tossing stormtroopers over the side of the carbon freeze platform as
if they were ragdolls. Could Worf have done the same? Maybe. You may
have a valid point with Worf's fighting finesse of Klingon Martial Arts,
but Chewie will still tear him apart.

--
Rebel Alliance Lt. Commander Aramys Strael

[Bill Kohlleppel]

Q wrote:

Apparently not.

[Bill Kohlleppel]

ryan wrote:

> pyg...@hotmail.com (Lee A. Powers) wrote in message news:<9735202b.01121...@posting.google.com>...

> > "Paradox" <l33ta0...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<10084843...@globe.atl2.mindspring.net>...
> > > "Insane Ranter" <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message
> > > news:tKWS7.108187$AR6.3...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
> > > > Whose the better hand to hand fight??? (Chewie or Worf??)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Worf looses to Bajoran and Romulan females, wookies tear the arms off
> > > people, lets think about this...
> >
> > Worf would definitely kick Chewie's furry ass...my reasoning: Worf has
> > been trained in martial arts, and is a specialist in hand to hand
> > combat. Chewie bitches up a storm whenever anyone tries to take his
> > crossbow from him. Obviously, he knows that without his weapon he is
> > absolutely ineffective as a fighter. He hides behind a blaster like
> > the sissy, oversized puppy that he is.
> >

> > A better question to ask: Who would win in hand to hand combat? Luke
> > Skywalker or Worf? Both have extensive training using
> > non-blaster/phaser weapons, and both have proven themselves in battle.
> > But let's assume for this challenge that Skywalker cannot use force
> > powers, just to make the fight fair. Who is better at fighting with
> > their respecitve weapon?
> >

> > My money is on Worf....
> >
>

> If you're going to say Luke can't use the force, then worf shouldn't
> be able to use any of his combat training. In eithor case lightsabers
> whup the crap out of bat'leth. Winner Luke easily.
>
> Oh and Chewie threw an armoured trooper back about 8 feet in the
> detention center scene and lifted lando up off the ground almost
> effortlessly. Has worf done anything similer?

Nope. And my money would be on Luke.

[Weyoun the Dancing Borg]

/me has a headache now)

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[Weyoun the Dancing Borg]

> Gravitational force is the result of that acceleration, weight is how we
> perceive the force, and mass, some smooth continuous nonnegative
> function over the union of Borel sets (just thought I'd toss that in for
> fun, too bad I can't remember the full thing) gives us inertia, which is
> resistance to motion, which is also that perception. But anyway, it
> doesn't matter; weight equals ma = F. If x is position according to time
> t, then dx/dt is v, dv/dt is a, m(dx/dt) = p momentum, again a way to
> express resistance to changes in motion, and dp/dt is F = ma. You have
> to exert that much force to overcome somethings resistance to changes in
> motion and along the way, this does work, W = Fd or better yet, F dot d.
>
> In space, no one can hear ice cream.

I see.

and I can't hear ice-cream on earth.

does bowls of Ice cream talk to you?

;-)

j/k

[Weyoun the Dancing Borg]

accelleration due to... gravity?

(It's been years since physics and I cant rememebr this complicated sutff.)

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[Cmdrwilkens]

"Q" <star_ch...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Chewbacca vs. Worf? What have we seen Chewie do in the movies that
> remotely resembles hand-to-hand prowess?

Flinging adult human beings across a room with a backhand

> All he did was swing around
> a blaster and maybe rough up Luke Skywalker a bit. Shit, all the
> fucker did was cry when C-3PO played him at a holographic game. He's
> probably stronger than Worf but he's clumsy as hell.

So an 8 foot tall wildebeast who can scale trees with his bare hands and
hunts for his food in the wild during his vactaion time is clumsy?

> Worf would take
> his head off with a bat'leth, a beat him to a pulp with that fancy
> Klingon martial arts. Worf is an expert at hand-to-hand combat,
> Chewie's an expert at firing a blaster. Worf wins.

Chewie is also an expert at the Wookiee martial arts which involves the
"spedious removal of an opponents limbs." So in other words Worf swings
once, misses because he's about as skilled as a hamster, Chewiee removes arm
#1, Worf swings again one handed and misses, Chewiee removes arm #2, fight
ends.

[Matthew Hyde]

Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
>

> accelleration due to... gravity?
>
Yes, and that's even the Mathematica name for it,
AccelerationDueToGravity.

[Matthew Hyde]

Q rote:

>
> Oh fuckin-really? Great, maybe you can you use fuckin-awsome social
> skills and fucking-get a life? Sorry if that sounds fuckin-lame but,
> hey, I'm not the fuckin-A genius here now am I?

You're right. That was pathetic, but funny.

[C.S.Strowbridge]

ryan wrote:

> Oh and Chewie threw an armoured trooper back about 8 feet in the
> detention center scene and lifted lando up off the ground almost
> effortlessly. Has worf done anything similer?

I think something similar has happened to Worf. Does that count?

C.S.Strowbridge

[Darth Ewok]

"Some smooth continuous nonnegative function over the union of Borel sets"?
Did you order any inverted tachyon fields with that technobabble?

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[Darth Ewok]

Plus, what he said is half crap. "We're being accelerated downwards, and our
bodies balance the acceleration so we stay put" - this is bollocks. The
force that makes up "stay put" is the eraction of the Earth - an upward
force that acts with the same magnitude as gravity but in the opposite
direction. Any surface produces this force when you stand on it to
counteract gravity. Every action, as they say, has an equal and opposite
reaction.

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[Q]

Bill Kohlleppel <kohll...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C21F59A...@attbi.com>...

> Q wrote:
>
> > Chewbacca vs. Worf? What have we seen Chewie do in the movies that
> > remotely resembles hand-to-hand prowess? All he did was swing around
> > a blaster and maybe rough up Luke Skywalker a bit. Shit, all the
> > fucker did was cry when C-3PO played him at a holographic game. He's
> > probably stronger than Worf but he's clumsy as hell. Worf would take
> > his head off with a bat'leth, a beat him to a pulp with that fancy
> > Klingon martial arts. Worf is an expert at hand-to-hand combat,
> > Chewie's an expert at firing a blaster. Worf wins.
>
> Bullshit. Wookiees train to fight too. Like the Klingons they train to
> fight for survival.

What do you mean they train to fight for survival? When did they ever
say this in the movies and not some book you read?

> You forgot about Chewie's brute strength in the form
> of tossing stormtroopers over the side of the carbon freeze platform as
> if they were ragdolls. Could Worf have done the same? Maybe. You may
> have a valid point with Worf's fighting finesse of Klingon Martial Arts,
> but Chewie will still tear him apart.

If Chewie could get his paws/hands on Worf. He wouldn't because Worf
would chop them off with his bat'leth.

[Q]

Bill Kohlleppel <kohll...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C21F5DC...@attbi.com>...

Oh sorry, didn't see I was talking to a superior officer, sir.

[Q]

ry...@excite.com (ryan) wrote in message news:<67eebfce.0112...@posting.google.com>...

> pyg...@hotmail.com (Lee A. Powers) wrote in message news:<9735202b.01121...@posting.google.com>...
> > "Paradox" <l33ta0...@mindspring.com> wrote in message news:<10084843...@globe.atl2.mindspring.net>...
> > > "Insane Ranter" <n...@spam.luckie> wrote in message
> > > news:tKWS7.108187$AR6.3...@e3500-atl1.usenetserver.com...
> > > > Whose the better hand to hand fight??? (Chewie or Worf??)
> > > >
> > >
> > > Worf looses to Bajoran and Romulan females, wookies tear the arms off
> > > people, lets think about this...
> >
> > Worf would definitely kick Chewie's furry ass...my reasoning: Worf has
> > been trained in martial arts, and is a specialist in hand to hand
> > combat. Chewie bitches up a storm whenever anyone tries to take his
> > crossbow from him. Obviously, he knows that without his weapon he is
> > absolutely ineffective as a fighter. He hides behind a blaster like
> > the sissy, oversized puppy that he is.
> >
> > A better question to ask: Who would win in hand to hand combat? Luke
> > Skywalker or Worf? Both have extensive training using
> > non-blaster/phaser weapons, and both have proven themselves in battle.
> > But let's assume for this challenge that Skywalker cannot use force
> > powers, just to make the fight fair. Who is better at fighting with
> > their respecitve weapon?
> >
> > My money is on Worf....
> >
>
> If you're going to say Luke can't use the force, then worf shouldn't
> be able to use any of his combat training. In eithor case lightsabers
> whup the crap out of bat'leth. Winner Luke easily.

Of course a lightsaber would. But what if they were both using
sabers, or if Luke was using a bat'leth or regular sword? And what
about hand-to-hand? Luke has show no special training in that. Worf
would break his neck in hand-to-hand. Luke does shoot a blaster alot
better than Worf, though. Must be that special training all in the
Star Wars universe recieve.

>
> Oh and Chewie threw an armoured trooper back about 8 feet in the
> detention center scene and lifted lando up off the ground almost
> effortlessly. Has worf done anything similer?

Well, I once saw a friend of mine throw a guy back six feet in a
fight. And he doesn't have this famed superman wookie strength. Worf
could probably do just as well. And many people can lift someone off
the ground effortlessly. If you're using this as an example of wookie
strength that's hilarious.

[Matthew Hyde]

Is your friend named Worf? And of course the guy died instantly and your
friend went to jail. Right?

[Matthew Hyde]

Darth Ewok wrote:
>
> Plus, what he said is half crap. "We're being accelerated downwards, and our
> bodies balance the acceleration so we stay put" - this is bollocks. The
> force that makes up "stay put" is the eraction of the Earth - an upward
> force that acts with the same magnitude as gravity but in the opposite
> direction.

and your bones have to be strong enough to balance the normal force of
the earth. think before you post, this is why we have skeletons and
muscle. Otherwise we would be puddles of goo, complete with "eraction"
forces. Like slime mold, a life form that has adapted differently.

[Matthew Hyde]

Darth Ewok wrote:

Yes I was a little off. I was jumbling things up. I was getting at how
we distribute forces. But you're no pedant.

[Dalton]

Then Worf would slice himself in two since it's not a typical sword.

> or if Luke was using a bat'leth or regular sword?

I don't think Luke would have a problem with that.

> And what
> about hand-to-hand? Luke has show no special training in that. Worf
> would break his neck in hand-to-hand. Luke does shoot a blaster alot
> better than Worf, though. Must be that special training all in the
> Star Wars universe recieve.

OK, so Worf gets his hand-to-hand weird Yoga stuff, and Luke has
nothing, not even the Force? What you basically have here is Worf vs
Human, since you took away everything that made Luke a formidable
warrior.

Then again, Worf got his ass handed to him time and time again, so...

> > Oh and Chewie threw an armoured trooper back about 8 feet in the
> > detention center scene and lifted lando up off the ground almost
> > effortlessly. Has worf done anything similer?
>
> Well, I once saw a friend of mine throw a guy back six feet in a
> fight. And he doesn't have this famed superman wookie strength. Worf
> could probably do just as well. And many people can lift someone off
> the ground effortlessly. If you're using this as an example of wookie
> strength that's hilarious.

Oh, OK, so let's qualify it by saying Chewbaccs was standing upright,
with his arms out straight, gripping Lando by the neck and holding him
at least a foot off the ground. Oh, let's not forget the time he pulled
an AT-ST driver straight out of his vehicle by the scruff of his neck
and flung him overboard.

--
Rob "Roby" Dalton
http://daltonator.net

"I need a drink."
"You don't drink."
"Yeah, but I've been meaning to start."
---UHF

[Dalton]

Q wrote:
>
> Bill Kohlleppel <kohll...@attbi.com> wrote in message news:<3C21F59A...@attbi.com>...
> > Q wrote:
> >
> > > Chewbacca vs. Worf? What have we seen Chewie do in the movies that
> > > remotely resembles hand-to-hand prowess? All he did was swing around
> > > a blaster and maybe rough up Luke Skywalker a bit. Shit, all the
> > > fucker did was cry when C-3PO played him at a holographic game. He's
> > > probably stronger than Worf but he's clumsy as hell. Worf would take
> > > his head off with a bat'leth, a beat him to a pulp with that fancy
> > > Klingon martial arts. Worf is an expert at hand-to-hand combat,
> > > Chewie's an expert at firing a blaster. Worf wins.
> >
> > Bullshit. Wookiees train to fight too. Like the Klingons they train to
> > fight for survival.
>
> What do you mean they train to fight for survival? When did they ever
> say this in the movies and not some book you read?

Sorry bucko, SW books are official, so the evidence in them counts.

> > You forgot about Chewie's brute strength in the form
> > of tossing stormtroopers over the side of the carbon freeze platform as
> > if they were ragdolls. Could Worf have done the same? Maybe. You may
> > have a valid point with Worf's fighting finesse of Klingon Martial Arts,
> > but Chewie will still tear him apart.
>
> If Chewie could get his paws/hands on Worf. He wouldn't because Worf
> would chop them off with his bat'leth.

Oh good, so Worf gets a weapon and Chewie doesn't? That's certainly
fair!

[Matthew Hyde]

Darth Ewok wrote:
>
> "Some smooth continuous nonnegative function over the union of Borel sets"?
> Did you order any inverted tachyon fields with that technobabble?
>

I had a long reply ready to go, but I decided to replace it with the
simple observation that you missed the fact that I was aware how
techno-babble-ish this was which is why I said it and made note of the
fact that it's babble.

[Graeme Dice]

Q wrote:
>

<snip>

> > If you're going to say Luke can't use the force, then worf shouldn't
> > be able to use any of his combat training. In eithor case lightsabers
> > whup the crap out of bat'leth. Winner Luke easily.
>
> Of course a lightsaber would. But what if they were both using
> sabers, or if Luke was using a bat'leth or regular sword?

Why on earth would Luke use as stupid a weapon as a batleth? It has no
reach whatsoever, which would be okay except that it is heavy.

> And what
> about hand-to-hand? Luke has show no special training in that. Worf
> would break his neck in hand-to-hand. Luke does shoot a blaster alot
> better than Worf, though. Must be that special training all in the
> Star Wars universe recieve.
>
> >
> > Oh and Chewie threw an armoured trooper back about 8 feet in the
> > detention center scene and lifted lando up off the ground almost
> > effortlessly. Has worf done anything similer?
>
> Well, I once saw a friend of mine throw a guy back six feet in a
> fight.

He did it with a single hit from one fist? Wow, he should be lifting
weights in the olympics.

> And he doesn't have this famed superman wookie strength. Worf
> could probably do just as well. And many people can lift someone off
> the ground effortlessly. If you're using this as an example of wookie
> strength that's hilarious.

Would you care to show me where any normal human has thrown someone
one-handed, or lifted them with straight arms.

Graeme Dice
--
So in conclusion, both technologies are bullshit, but
Star Wars is more powerful BS. It doesn't matter
if it would work or not.
-- Doomriser

[Matthew Hyde]

Matthew Hyde wrote:
>
> Darth Ewok wrote:
> >
> > "Some smooth continuous nonnegative function over the union of Borel sets"?
> > Did you order any inverted tachyon fields with that technobabble?
> >
>
> I had a long reply ready to go, but I decided to replace it with the
> simple observation that you missed the fact that I was aware how
> techno-babble-ish this was which is why I said it and made note of the
> fact that it's babble.
> --

Actually, that was really boring. No fun. So here's the long original
reply:

Why, Darth Ewok, is that disdain I hear in your voice? Here's what I was
looking for:

"m [mass] is a measure defined over a [arbitrary] measure space B... the
measurable sets for m are usually taken to be the Borel sets of B."

The wonderful thing is, this babble, unlike your beloved Treknospeak,
has meaning, and knowing a litle math or science can vastly improve your
ability to generate realistic technobabble. Unlike you, I have the shit
to back up my farts. Also unlike you, I can act on the definition of a
"body" as a "smooth 3-dimensional manifold homeomomorphic to the closure
of a connected open subset of Euclidean pointwise 3-space." It's only
babble if you can't act on it. I know what "subspace" and "hyperspace"
really mean too, does that mean I made them up? Just because you don't
get it doesn't mean I don't. I also brought up Borel sets solely for
levity, something which clearly escaped your notice. I mentioned it
precisely because it's obfuscatory and obscure. For someone who creams
their jeans every time Geordi says "phase," you sure are drerogatory.
Maybe if your sphere of awareness didn't have everywhere-negative
curvature of radius, you might be a little more effective as a human
being.

In closing, http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy/stfu.jpg

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<snip>

>
> Of course a lightsaber would. But what if they were both using
> sabers, or if Luke was using a bat'leth or regular sword? And what
> about hand-to-hand? Luke has show no special training in that. Worf
> would break his neck in hand-to-hand. Luke does shoot a blaster alot
> better than Worf, though. Must be that special training all in the
> Star Wars universe recieve.

Go read Shadows of the Empire and then come back and tel me about how Luke
has no special training that will enable him to fight hand to hand.
Specifically read the parts where he outraces a HRD to the point that high
speed blade slices look like they will take hours to complete then come back
and tell me again how Worf, who's about as slow as a bus in a traffic jam,
will be able to beat Luke when the later has speed, Force-assited power, and
precognition.

> >
> > Oh and Chewie threw an armoured trooper back about 8 feet in the
> > detention center scene and lifted lando up off the ground almost
> > effortlessly. Has worf done anything similer?
>
> Well, I once saw a friend of mine throw a guy back six feet in a
> fight. And he doesn't have this famed superman wookie strength. Worf
> could probably do just as well. And many people can lift someone off
> the ground effortlessly. If you're using this as an example of wookie
> strength that's hilarious.

There's a difference between throw which involves two hands and utilizes
most of the body's lower and upper body strength and backhanding which has
only the rotational strength of the waist and arm strength behind it, in
other words there is a HUGE difference between throwing someone and
backhanding them.

--
Lcpl Burnett, G.R
USMCR

Bridge Company A, 6th EngnrSptBN, 4th FSSG

[Rob Wilson]

"Matthew Hyde" <mdo...@mtu.edu> wrote in message

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> Q wrote:
> >

Snip

> > > Oh and Chewie threw an armoured trooper back about 8 feet in the
> > > detention center scene and lifted lando up off the ground almost
> > > effortlessly. Has worf done anything similer?
> >
> > Well, I once saw a friend of mine throw a guy back six feet in a
> > fight.
>
> Is your friend named Worf? And of course the guy died instantly and your
> friend went to jail. Right?

Hehehehehehehe.

He's obviously forgetting that in a fight the impetus for the throw would
have come from the guy getting thrown, the thrower only providing impulse
and direction.

Rob Wilson

[Jostein Hakestad]

in article 3C2238FB...@mtu.edu, Matthew Hyde at mdo...@mtu.edu wrote
on 20.12.01 20:16:

> Darth Ewok wrote:
>
>
> Yes I was a little off. I was jumbling things up. I was getting at how
> we distribute forces. But you're no pedant.

Oh yes he is...

--
Jostein H

[Rob Wilson]

"Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote in message
news:3C223ACE...@daltonator.net...

Maybe not in two, but he would cut himself all over trying to do those
twirls he is so fond of with his Bat'leth. Possibly even removing his leg or
arm in the process.
:-)

>
> > or if Luke was using a bat'leth or regular sword?
>
> I don't think Luke would have a problem with that.

Why the fuck would he use a Bat'leth, as a close-in defence weapon it has
it's good points but as an offensive weapon you would have to have a supine
and defenceless enemy to allow you to use it properly.

>
> > And what
> > about hand-to-hand? Luke has show no special training in that. Worf
> > would break his neck in hand-to-hand. Luke does shoot a blaster alot
> > better than Worf, though. Must be that special training all in the
> > Star Wars universe recieve.
>
> OK, so Worf gets his hand-to-hand weird Yoga stuff, and Luke has
> nothing, not even the Force? What you basically have here is Worf vs
> Human, since you took away everything that made Luke a formidable
> warrior.

Worf, the slo-mo fighter :-). Seriouly, watch his fighting and notice not
only howmuch he telegraphs everything, but he implements his attacks so
slowly it's laughable. Can anyone cite an example of him being a competant
combatant (hand-to-hand)?

>
> Then again, Worf got his ass handed to him time and time again, so...

He watched too many John Woo films, thought fighting in slow motion looked
cool and didn't realise it's a film effect. He would go to Ten-Forward and
bitch into his beer that "the other guy wasn't fighting fair, they moved all
fast and shit!"
:-0

>
> > > Oh and Chewie threw an armoured trooper back about 8 feet in the
> > > detention center scene and lifted lando up off the ground almost
> > > effortlessly. Has worf done anything similer?
> >
> > Well, I once saw a friend of mine throw a guy back six feet in a
> > fight. And he doesn't have this famed superman wookie strength. Worf
> > could probably do just as well. And many people can lift someone off
> > the ground effortlessly. If you're using this as an example of wookie
> > strength that's hilarious.
>
> Oh, OK, so let's qualify it by saying Chewbaccs was standing upright,
> with his arms out straight, gripping Lando by the neck and holding him
> at least a foot off the ground. Oh, let's not forget the time he pulled
> an AT-ST driver straight out of his vehicle by the scruff of his neck
> and flung him overboard.

I've thrown 16 stone squaddies around before.... of course *they* provided
all the energy I just helped them on their way. On FIBUA exercises when I
have the adrenelin pumping through me I've thrown Ammo boxes filled with
concrete around like lego bricks, but in the clean up afterwards I could
barely lift them. Chewie has that strength as a baseline and it would just
go up from there.

Rob Wilson

[Graeme Dice]

Rob Wilson wrote:

<snip>

> > OK, so Worf gets his hand-to-hand weird Yoga stuff, and Luke has
> > nothing, not even the Force? What you basically have here is Worf vs
> > Human, since you took away everything that made Luke a formidable
> > warrior.
>
> Worf, the slo-mo fighter :-). Seriouly, watch his fighting and notice not
> only howmuch he telegraphs everything, but he implements his attacks so
> slowly it's laughable. Can anyone cite an example of him being a competant
> combatant (hand-to-hand)?

All Klingons attack very slowly. Look at Torres when the Viidians
pulled her Klingon half out. She spent a noticeable amount of time
thinking about where to hit the guy next.

Graeme Dice
--
If you're happy and you know it, clunk your chains.

[Rob Wilson]

"Graeme Dice" <grd...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:3C22698C...@sk.sympatico.ca...

True. But Worf with a Bat'leth is like a glacier moving uphill.

Rob Wilson

[Rob Wilson]

"Graeme Dice" <grd...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote in message

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> Q wrote:
> >
>
> <snip>
>
> > > If you're going to say Luke can't use the force, then worf shouldn't
> > > be able to use any of his combat training. In eithor case lightsabers
> > > whup the crap out of bat'leth. Winner Luke easily.
> >
> > Of course a lightsaber would. But what if they were both using
> > sabers, or if Luke was using a bat'leth or regular sword?
>
> Why on earth would Luke use as stupid a weapon as a batleth? It has no
> reach whatsoever, which would be okay except that it is heavy.

For decoration of a wall, it's unparalleled.
:-)

> > > Oh and Chewie threw an armoured trooper back about 8 feet in the
> > > detention center scene and lifted lando up off the ground almost
> > > effortlessly. Has worf done anything similer?
> >
> > Well, I once saw a friend of mine throw a guy back six feet in a
> > fight.
>
> He did it with a single hit from one fist? Wow, he should be lifting
> weights in the olympics.

Was the guy being thrown a dwarf?
:-)

>
> > And he doesn't have this famed superman wookie strength. Worf
> > could probably do just as well. And many people can lift someone off
> > the ground effortlessly. If you're using this as an example of wookie
> > strength that's hilarious.
>
> Would you care to show me where any normal human has thrown someone
> one-handed, or lifted them with straight arms.

It can be done, but you really need the person being thrown to provide a
shitload of energy, be off-balance and preferably throwing a haymaker punch.
Then you can spin him round (like when you give a child an 'Aeroplane' ride,
except your only holding one arm not an arm and a leg), one and a half
twists and release, he'll go about 4-6 ft and land very badly.... finish by
jumping on his head :-). Of course on Bespin Chewie lifted and threw a
Stormtrooper by just extending his arm and the trooper flew back about 6-8ft
(against his original direction of travel), *very* different.

Rob Wilson

[DMZ]

"Matthew Hyde" <mdo...@mtu.edu> wrote in message

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<snip>
> everywhere-negative curvature of radius

Out of curiosity, how do you propose to curve a radius? =)

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[Matthew Hyde]

LMAO!

[Rob Wilson]

"DMZ" <d...@NOSPAMfreeuk.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Matthew Hyde" <mdo...@mtu.edu> wrote in message
> news:3C223E06...@mtu.edu...
>
> <snip>
> > everywhere-negative curvature of radius
>
> Out of curiosity, how do you propose to curve a radius? =)

A put Sheps lower arm in a vice and apply pressure?
:-)

Rob Wilson

>
> --
> DMZ mhm33x4
>

[Matthew Hyde]

Do you mind if I share a story with you? Keep in mind that I have done
poorly in any fight training I've ever received, and was beat up a lot
as a yungun. Here's my story:

OK, so I stayed in a homeless shelter called the Povarello
("little fat one" I think, after Francis of Assisssi) while I waited to
join university. After that, I moved into a cheap place (Spruce rooms) a
block or so away. One morning, I went to the Pov to get coffee. What
they do is have coffee and donuts at 6:30 AM before they kick everybody
out for the day so they can clean and cook the breadline meals. You're
supposed to look for work and there are all these day labor places so
you can make a quick buck and hopefully move out of the Pov. So there I
was, there I was... IN... the CONGO... I went and got coffee, which is
allowed if
you're homeless even if you don't live there. But I went in 5 minutes
early, and I guess Patrick, the Duty Dick, didn't like that. So he came
after me and actually pushed me! It spilled my coffee and pissed me off
so I hit him in the head with the coffee
cup and popped him in the mouth. then somebody put me in a sleeper hold
and held me for the cops, who were a block away. they jailed me for a
day, and my finger was swollen and bleeding from 2 gashes from the cup
(but Patrick had a huge cut on his head, yay! the dick), and they didn't
let me use the phone until that night and I got bailed out. Then I went
to see the judge later and he more
or less laughed at me and fined me $200.

another time, I was in the cafeteria in the Pov. It was 6 AM and I was
just sitting there, zoning out over my cofee. I hadn't even laced up my
Red Wings yet, I was just waking up. There was this guy Frank, who was a
macho loudmouth. I was kind of scared of him because he has this taught
muscular physique, like he could be in a movie except he was just an
ugly homeless guy. Like Fight Club--you know what I mean? He was like
Lou Diamond Philips or something. ANYWAY, I had this friend there named
Carole. She was this older New Yorker, and she was arguing with these
two lesbians because they were fucking in the open in the women's
berthing the night before. Frank started yelling at her, "you're a
BITCH!" and she was kind of shocked and she yelled back, and he threw
his hot coffee in her face. All I remember then is my boots going "STOMP
STOMP STOMP" on the tile as I jerked awake and charged him
automatically. This was a scary strong guy too. I knocked him over a
table and people went flying out of the way, and while I was on top of
him I punched him in the eye. He got up and started running away, and I
was knocking chairs out of my way trying to get after him, then someone
yelled "Look out Matt!" and I felt hands grabbing me from behind. I
whirled around hit the guy behind me in the mouth 4 times before I
realized it was Roger, the duty guy for that day. I went "Oh Roger! Shit
shit sorry" and he kicked me out. He had been in Spec Forces but I guess
they never taught him how not to break up fights. It turned out that
when I hit Frank, it was on the bony part of his eyebrow and it bled
like hell into his eye, and the cops came and asked if I was wearing any
rings, but they didn't arrest me because Frank had been an
asshole.

anyway, I felt like such a goddamn stud after that, lol. A feeling I
hadn't had, since...

[Matthew Hyde]

LOL I sense he is a Warsie as well...

[Matthew Hyde]

DMZ wrote:
>
> "Matthew Hyde" <mdo...@mtu.edu> wrote in message
> news:3C223E06...@mtu.edu...
>
> <snip>
> > everywhere-negative curvature of radius
>
> Out of curiosity, how do you propose to curve a radius? =)
>

I don't

[Matthew Hyde]

DMZ wrote:
>
> "Matthew Hyde" <mdo...@mtu.edu> wrote in message
> news:3C223E06...@mtu.edu...
>
> <snip>
> > everywhere-negative curvature of radius
>
> Out of curiosity, how do you propose to curve a radius? =)
>

Oh christ, lol

[Matthew Hyde]

Good answer! <Joe Pesci> Don't make me be the bad guy here huh? </Pesch>