Ground forces...
Damien Kelly
Ok I have been reading these posts for several weeks now. I would like
to say I am a fan of BOTH ST and SW...but I have to say that IF the
Empire were to land their ground forces on Earth, they would tear the
living snot out of StarFleet Headquaters. In all of ST I have never seen
any REAL ground forces. Take the Empires AT-ATs, AT-STs, and assault
tanks, mix them up with the Speeder bikes, and the Empires obviously
illegal assasin droids, and what do you have? A HUGE (but extremely cool
and visual battle). Now I could be wrong, I have never read any TMs or
campaign books for ST to know if the federation has ANY ground forces,
ie tanks...etc...
I'm leaving out starships in this comparison, so please don't drag in
that StarFleet vessels would attack from orbit. I would like to know
what everyone else thinks, how would StarFleet (on Earth) defend against
a ground assault?
drummi...@usa.net
In article <355ED049...@home.com>,
I can't disagree with you about the Empire trashing StarFleet in a ground
battle. See, I relate StarFleet with a country like Carthage. For the most
part, they were a sea faring culture, and their power lay in their navy. So
I think the problem for the Empire would be GETTING to StarFleet. The only
enemy vehicle able to get to Earth was the Borg, and the Empire isn't as
strong as the Borg. There are border stations, and as soon as StarFleet
Command saw the Empire fleet coming they would rush every StarFleet vessel to
Earth and blow up the Empire ships in orbit around Earth and leave a Empire
land crew on the ground without any coordinated attacks due to no commanders
up in space.
However, since you requested Starships not be included, here's what I see
happening. IF IF IF an Empire task force could land on Earth, they would
blow the shit out of San Fran, and StarFleet would have to shift their
headquarters to prepare. Then, they would call to their allies in space to
send some land crews (a few Klingons maybe, among other things) over. They'd
have to have some sort of land based photon torpedos and phasers that they
could manuever, and I'm sure there would be some Marines. As far as vehicles
go, as far as I'm concerned they don't have any, because no enemy ship could
get close, but they'd tear down a starship and put it's defenses on the
ground. That's what I think would happen.
Matt
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In article <6jn1r4$v6o$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
The problem would be that for every ship Starfleet could muster, the Empire
could muster 5 times the number in ISDs alone. They have around 25,000 Star
Destroyers, which is several times the size of Starfleet and not including
any of the other cruisers, support vessels, torpedo spheres etc....
So even if the Empire isn't as strong as the borg, if you put Starfleet and
the Empire on equal footing weaponry/shielding/range wise you have a problem
for the Federation.
> However, since you requested Starships not be included, here's what I see
> happening. IF IF IF an Empire task force could land on Earth, they would
> blow the shit out of San Fran, and StarFleet would have to shift their
> headquarters to prepare. Then, they would call to their allies in space to
> send some land crews (a few Klingons maybe, among other things) over.
They'd
> have to have some sort of land based photon torpedos and phasers that they
> could manuever, and I'm sure there would be some Marines. As far as
vehicles
> go, as far as I'm concerned they don't have any, because no enemy ship could
> get close, but they'd tear down a starship and put it's defenses on the
> ground. That's what I think would happen.
Hmm...how easy is it to rip phaser emitters and torpedo launchers of a
starship? Are they detachable modules? They may well be, it would mean
quick repair for damaged ships.
So once you've landed half the Imperial contigent of Stormtroopers, you have
a bunch of them running around trashing everything. Next, they nick
Federation technology and have a field day with it :P.
Piett
Pat Hopp
incase you caught the first post.. sorry.. it was a little garbled by
netscape
>The problem would be that for every ship Starfleet could muster, the Empire
>could muster 5 times the number in ISDs alone. They have around 25,000 Star
>Destroyers, which is several times the size of Starfleet and not including
>any of the other cruisers, support vessels, torpedo spheres etc....
What oracle of knowledge spat out that number? In the movie's there
looked to be a hundred large ships((ISD,ICBM'S,BBC's,WHATERVER))
(and that's pushing it) defending the empire's MOST important station
and the Emperor himself.
> So even if the Empire isn't as strong as the borg, if you put Starfleet and
> the Empire on equal footing weaponry/shielding/range wise you have a problem
> for the Federation.
Just a question.. Does anyone remeber from DS9 about the time of
"Sacrafice of Angels" how many ships Sisko said where in the diffrent
fleets?
> Hmm...how easy is it to rip phaser emitters and torpedo launchers of a
> starship? Are they detachable modules? They may well be, it would mean
> quick repair for damaged ships.
They May and they May not be. _*IF*_ they could land on earth there
isn't much of a supply of phaser/torpedo hardware on the planet to rip
according to what the consensous was earlier. They would have to be
pulling
hardware off starships, and that's not very likely... If a ST ship is
damaged bad enough that power fails POOF anti-matter containment is
gone..
no more ship... If a ship is disabled and about to be boarded the
captians
of 99% of the ST ships will do what 99% of all ST captians have done.
Self Destruct. Poof.. No hardware to collect..
>
> So once you've landed half the Imperial contigent of Stormtroopers, you have
> a bunch of them running around trashing everything. Next, they nick
> Federation technology and have a field day with it :P.
_*IF*_ ST and SW where on the same footing with
weapondry/shielding/range
I still think it would take the Empire a little while to figure out what
to do
with it, adapt there powersources, and put it together. And by that
time the war
in space would be done, and -*whoever*- the victors of that would be
would have
no problem clearing the rest of the other side off the planet.
P-Hopp
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It's not really a problem about landing on Earth, because Starships don't
land on Earth. They're built by the Earth's moon, and it wouldn't be too
tough to take out the torpedo tubes out of a ship being built. Now, I'm sure
at on this starship construcion facility (what's it called? Europa or
something?), they're bound to have torpedo tubes they're about to put in a
ship, 20 ships worth of phaser emitters and torpedo tubes, you know what I
mean?
> >
> > So once you've landed half the Imperial contigent of Stormtroopers, you
have
> > a bunch of them running around trashing everything. Next, they nick
> > Federation technology and have a field day with it :P.
Well, I'm not sure StormTroopers would do it. StormTroopers are as easy to
kill as security personnel, I thought we were talking about those big walking
guys.
>
> _*IF*_ ST and SW where on the same footing with
> weapondry/shielding/range
> I still think it would take the Empire a little while to figure out what
> to do
> with it, adapt there powersources, and put it together. And by that
> time the war
> in space would be done, and -*whoever*- the victors of that would be
> would have
> no problem clearing the rest of the other side off the planet.
>
> P-Hopp
>
Yes, for the most part I think that all deciding battles would occur in
space, not on land.
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Matthew Savill
Pat Hopp wrote:
>
> incase you caught the first post.. sorry.. it was a little garbled by
> netscape
>
> >could muster 5 times the number in ISDs alone. They have around 25,000 Star
> >Destroyers, which is several times the size of Starfleet and not including
> >any of the other cruisers, support vessels, torpedo spheres etc....
>
> What oracle of knowledge spat out that number? In the movie's there
> looked to be a hundred large ships((ISD,ICBM'S,BBC's,WHATERVER))
> (and that's pushing it) defending the empire's MOST important station
> and the Emperor himself.
Well, each sector of space is patrolled by a fleet of 25 SD's or
something, and there are thousands of sectors of Imperial space.
>
> > So even if the Empire isn't as strong as the borg, if you put Starfleet and
> > the Empire on equal footing weaponry/shielding/range wise you have a problem
> > for the Federation.
>
> Just a question.. Does anyone remeber from DS9 about the time of
> "Sacrafice of Angels" how many ships Sisko said where in the diffrent
> fleets?
I think it was 800 Fed vs 1200 Dom (even though it was blatently obvious
there weren't that many ships).
Eric Johnson
Actually getting to earth unscathed would be very easy for the empire. All
they would need to do is faint a massive attack at the otherside of the
federation and then jump into hyperspace. Before he ships could be sent to
intercept they would exit hyperspace on the edge of the terrain system. And
then after a short micro-jump they would be either slagging or landing on
Earth. The federation's starfleet would have no hope of stopping them.
drummi...@usa.net wrote in message <6jn1r4$v6o$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
Corey Burger
Good point there, I had thought about it but never given it a huge amount
of thought. The problem would be landing, as troop carriers are usually
quite vunerable.
Pi...@my-dejanews.com
In article <355F394E...@phopp.resnet.mtu.edu>,
Pat Hopp <ph...@phopp.resnet.mtu.edu> wrote:
>
> incase you caught the first post.. sorry.. it was a little garbled by
> netscape
>
> >The problem would be that for every ship Starfleet could muster, the Empire
> >could muster 5 times the number in ISDs alone. They have around 25,000
Star
> >Destroyers, which is several times the size of Starfleet and not including
> >any of the other cruisers, support vessels, torpedo spheres etc....
>
> What oracle of knowledge spat out that number? In the movie's there
> looked to be a hundred large ships((ISD,ICBM'S,BBC's,WHATERVER))
> (and that's pushing it) defending the empire's MOST important station
> and the Emperor himself.
Two sources. First is "Wanted by Cracken", in which an Alliance historian
says around 10,000 ISDs, and also says that his estimates are very
conservative. The 25,000 number comes from "Spectre of the Past", in which
Vice-Admiral Palleon gives that figure. And consider the problem faced by
Imperial commanders at Endor - you have to pull enough ships off the line to
beat the Rebels, but not enough that the Rebel Intelligence will notice they
are gone and subsequently realise Endor is a trap. Also, get too many ships
involved and you start hitting your own people. Finally, I only saw 40 Ships
at Wolf 359 and Shelby says it is the bulk of "the Fleet". Yet we know that
is wrong NOW. Things change.
> > So even if the Empire isn't as strong as the borg, if you put Starfleet
and
> > the Empire on equal footing weaponry/shielding/range wise you have a
problem
> > for the Federation.
>
> Just a question.. Does anyone remeber from DS9 about the time of
> "Sacrafice of Angels" how many ships Sisko said where in the diffrent
> fleets?
I'm assuming around 5-6 thousand, given that the two Fleets he had combined
totalled 500 ships.
> > Hmm...how easy is it to rip phaser emitters and torpedo launchers of a
> > starship? Are they detachable modules? They may well be, it would mean
> > quick repair for damaged ships.
>
> They May and they May not be. _*IF*_ they could land on earth there
> isn't much of a supply of phaser/torpedo hardware on the planet to rip
> according to what the consensous was earlier. They would have to be
> pulling
> hardware off starships, and that's not very likely... If a ST ship is
> damaged bad enough that power fails POOF anti-matter containment is
> gone..
> no more ship... If a ship is disabled and about to be boarded the
> captians
> of 99% of the ST ships will do what 99% of all ST captians have done.
> Self Destruct. Poof.. No hardware to collect..
We've seen a ship captured, though. Example: Voyager by the Kazon. It shows
that all you need to do is disable some ships systems and the self-destruct
won't work. All an ISD Captain would need to do is pummel it with some Ion
Cannon bolts until its shields come down, then board it. And the computers
on the ground will have weapon schematics.
> >
> > So once you've landed half the Imperial contigent of Stormtroopers, you
have
> > a bunch of them running around trashing everything. Next, they nick
> > Federation technology and have a field day with it :P.
>
> _*IF*_ ST and SW where on the same footing with
> weapondry/shielding/range
What makes you think SW weaponry is inferior to ST weaponry? The asteroid
calcs give us a TL strength orders of magnitude higher than ST ships.
> I still think it would take the Empire a little while to figure out what
> to do
> with it, adapt there powersources, and put it together. And by that
> time the war
> in space would be done, and -*whoever*- the victors of that would be
> would have
> no problem clearing the rest of the other side off the planet.
Ah, but you wouldn't keep the designs in one place. The Empire would move
in, take the planet, nick off with some computers, send them back to
Coruscant to be analysed and then if they are needed, adapt them to their
ships.
Piett
> P-Hopp
Rush Limbaugh
Pat Hopp wrote in message <355F37AD...@phopp.resnet.mtu.edu>...
>> The problem would be that for every ship Starfleet could muster, the
Empire
>> could muster 5 times the number in ISDs alone. They have around 25,000
Star
>> Destroyers, which is several times the size of Starfleet and not
including
>> any of the other cruisers, support vessels, torpedo spheres etc....
>
>What oracle of knowledge spat out that number? In the movie's there
>looked
>to be a hundred large ships((ISD,ICBM'S,BBC's,WHATERVER)) (and that's
>pushing
>it) defending the empire's MOST important station and the Emperor
>himself.
>
YOU MORON SW HAS AN ENTIRE GALAXY TO DEFEND ONE STATION EVEN THE ONE THE
EMPEROR IS IN WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE 100TH OF A PERCENT OF THE FLEET!!!
>> So even if the Empire isn't as strong as the borg, if you put Starfleet
and
>> the Empire on equal footing weaponry/shielding/range wise you have a
problem
>> for the Federation.
>
>Just a question.. Does anyone remeber from DS9 about the time of
>"Sacrafice of
>Angels" how many ships Sisko said where in the diffrent fleets?
>
He said in the way of the warrior that the The Kligon's entire fleet
consisted of barely 300 ships.
>> Hmm...how easy is it to rip phaser emitters and torpedo launchers of a
>> starship? Are they detachable modules? They may well be, it would mean
>> quick repair for damaged ships.
>
>They May and they May not be. _*IF*_ they could land on earth there
>isn't much
>of a supply of phaser/torpedo hardware on the planet to rip according to
>what
>the consensous was earlier. They would have to be pulling hardware off
>starships,
>and that's not very likely... If a ST ship is damaged bad enough that
>power fails
>POOF anti-matter containment is gone.. no more ship... If a ship is
>disabled and
>about to be boarded the captians of 99% of the ST ships will do what 99%
>of all
>ST captians have done. Self Destruct. Poof.. No hardware to collect..
>
Wrong the droids would disable any self destruct in nano seconds
>>
>> So once you've landed half the Imperial contigent of Stormtroopers, you
have
>> a bunch of them running around trashing everything. Next, they nick
>> Federation technology and have a field day with it :P.
>
>_*IF*_ ST and SW where on the same footing with
>weapondry/shielding/range I still
>think it would take the Empire a little while to figure out what to do
>with it,
>adapt there powersources, and put it together. And by that time the war
>in space
>would be done, and -*whoever*- the victors of that would be would have
>no problem
>clearing the rest of the other side off the planet.
>
Yeah but seeing as the Emprie outnumbers them millions to one it wont matter
Pat Hopp
> Two sources. First is "Wanted by Cracken", in which an Alliance historian
> says around 10,000 ISDs, and also says that his estimates are very
> conservative. The 25,000 number comes from "Spectre of the Past", in which
> Vice-Admiral Palleon gives that figure. And consider the problem faced by
> Imperial commanders at Endor - you have to pull enough ships off the line to
> beat the Rebels, but not enough that the Rebel Intelligence will notice they
> are gone and subsequently realise Endor is a trap. Also, get too many ships
>involved and you start hitting your own people. Finally, I only saw 40 Ships
> at Wolf 359 and Shelby says it is the bulk of "the Fleet". Yet we know that
> is wrong NOW. Things change.
That being mentioned in a book is fine by me. I'll except that, on the
condition that you let me start pulling numbers/facts out of my ST books. The
last book i read had the X-Men in it with the TNG cast... That was a trip
allright, but if its in the book it must of happened right? The Imp.'s
control a whole galaxy? I'd believe that they need 25,000 ships.. but could
they afford to bring them all to bear on our galaxy... Probally not.. There
isn't room around earth for 25,000 ships..they'd be pulled into each other or
planets..
> I'm assuming around 5-6 thousand, given that the two Fleets he had combined
> totalled 500 ships.
I would still like to know for sure for future reference.. Not that i'm
asking you to find out. I've got the tape of the episode over on the shelf,
but no TV to watch it on as this is exam week and my roomate just left.
> We've seen a ship captured, though. Example: Voyager by the Kazon. It shows
> that all you need to do is disable some ships systems and the self-destruct
> won't work. All an ISD Captain would need to do is pummel it with some Ion
> Cannon bolts until its shields come down, then board it. And the computers
> on the ground will have weapon schematics.
What are ion cannons going to do? In SW i know you can disable a ship with
them but i don't think they have the same effect on ST ships... i could be
wrong.. but i think all the enterprise's have been through an ion storm or
two and it just messed up sensor readings...
> What makes you think SW weaponry is inferior to ST weaponry? The asteroid
> calcs give us a TL strength orders of magnitude higher than ST ships.
What asteriod calcs?
I don't think so but this is just my personal opinion... _*I*_ think that
with the Enterprise-A's nav shields up it could fly right through a squadron
of firing Tie's. But that's my opinion and i'm not going to argue it because
both sides energy weapons are imposible. The people who get all irrate about
arguing about exact MW GW TW's are the people i call fanatics not fans.
> Ah, but you wouldn't keep the designs in one place. The Empire would move
> in, take the planet, nick off with some computers, send them back to
> Coruscant to be analysed and then if they are needed, adapt them to their
> ships.
I like the other guys idea better about if the Empire could take over the
Eutopia Planetia ship yard. Then they'd have a stockpile of parts and the
schematics for every ship.
drummi...@usa.net
OKay, there's a bunch of different branches on this thread so I'll try
respond to each seperately.
In article <89547647...@newsch.es.co.nz>,
"Rush Limbaugh" <Rush_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Pat Hopp wrote in message <355F37AD...@phopp.resnet.mtu.edu>...
> >> The problem would be that for every ship Starfleet could muster, the
> Empire
> >> could muster 5 times the number in ISDs alone. They have around 25,000
> Star
> >> Destroyers, which is several times the size of Starfleet and not
> including
> >> any of the other cruisers, support vessels, torpedo spheres etc....
> >
> >What oracle of knowledge spat out that number? In the movie's there
> >looked
> >to be a hundred large ships((ISD,ICBM'S,BBC's,WHATERVER)) (and that's
> >pushing
> >it) defending the empire's MOST important station and the Emperor
> >himself.
> >
> YOU MORON SW HAS AN ENTIRE GALAXY TO DEFEND ONE STATION EVEN THE ONE THE
> EMPEROR IS IN WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE 100TH OF A PERCENT OF THE FLEET!!!
>
Why not? This guy is the person that is in control of the Empire for God's
sake, at the very least he'd have at least 5% of the Fleet with him.
I'm afraid not, brother. Droids can only connect to the computer assuming
that there's the little circular thing that R2D2 always attaches himself to.
In the ST universe there ARE no droids, and so for one thing they wouldn't be
able to access the computer, and for the other thing they wouldn't even know
HOW to use the computer. Remember in RotJ, R2D2 got SHOT before he could
even figure out the door on Endor or whatever, and that was in his own
universe. Droid's would have a bit of a bigger problem in the ST universe.
> >>
> >> So once you've landed half the Imperial contigent of Stormtroopers, you
> have
> >> a bunch of them running around trashing everything. Next, they nick
> >> Federation technology and have a field day with it :P.
> >
> >_*IF*_ ST and SW where on the same footing with
> >weapondry/shielding/range I still
> >think it would take the Empire a little while to figure out what to do
> >with it,
> >adapt there powersources, and put it together. And by that time the war
> >in space
> >would be done, and -*whoever*- the victors of that would be would have
> >no problem
> >clearing the rest of the other side off the planet.
> >
> Yeah but seeing as the Emprie outnumbers them millions to one it wont matter
I wish you would stop pulling number out your ass. The Empire wouldn't be
able to pull it's entire fleet from all ends of the universe just to attack
Earth. Remember, as you said earlier, even the EMPORER HIMSELF couldn't
round up more than a hundred ships, a 1/100th percent or so of the Empire
Fleet. Even inthis attack on earth, do you really think it's ad important
as the life of the Emporer, and that they would even put 1/100th of their
resources into taking it?
Matt
Pi...@my-dejanews.com
In article <35605BFA...@phopp.resnet.mtu.edu>,
Pat Hopp <ph...@phopp.resnet.mtu.edu> wrote:
>
> > Two sources. First is "Wanted by Cracken", in which an Alliance historian
> > says around 10,000 ISDs, and also says that his estimates are very
> > conservative. The 25,000 number comes from "Spectre of the Past", in
which
> > Vice-Admiral Palleon gives that figure. And consider the problem faced by
> > Imperial commanders at Endor - you have to pull enough ships off the line
to
> > beat the Rebels, but not enough that the Rebel Intelligence will notice
they
> > are gone and subsequently realise Endor is a trap. Also, get too many
ships
> >involved and you start hitting your own people. Finally, I only saw 40
Ships
> > at Wolf 359 and Shelby says it is the bulk of "the Fleet". Yet we know
that
> > is wrong NOW. Things change.
>
> That being mentioned in a book is fine by me. I'll except that, on the
> condition that you let me start pulling numbers/facts out of my ST books.
The
> last book i read had the X-Men in it with the TNG cast... That was a trip
> allright, but if its in the book it must of happened right?
Unfortunately, the rules regarding ST books and SW books in relation to where
they stand are much different, mainly because a ST book could be contradicted
by the very next episode. For that reason, ST books aren't official - they
don't fit anywhere in the continuity, and therefore they dont fit into this
debate. They both hamper and help your side, leaving you no better off.
SW books are official, providing they don't contradict WEG Sources (like
"Wanted by Cracken") or the movies. In this case, it doesn't, so the figure
is ok - for now.
The Imp.'s
> control a whole galaxy? I'd believe that they need 25,000 ships.. but
could
> they afford to bring them all to bear on our galaxy... Probally not.. There
> isn't room around earth for 25,000 ships..they'd be pulled into each other
or
> planets..
Then why send all of them? Even 1000 ISDs, plus their support groups and
fighters, would be enough.
> > I'm assuming around 5-6 thousand, given that the two Fleets he had
combined
> > totalled 500 ships.
>
> I would still like to know for sure for future reference.. Not that i'm
> asking you to find out. I've got the tape of the episode over on the shelf,
> but no TV to watch it on as this is exam week and my roomate just left.
Yeah, i'd like to get a definite number as well.
> > We've seen a ship captured, though. Example: Voyager by the Kazon. It
shows
> > that all you need to do is disable some ships systems and the self-
destruct
> > won't work. All an ISD Captain would need to do is pummel it with some
Ion
> > Cannon bolts until its shields come down, then board it. And the
computers
> > on the ground will have weapon schematics.
>
> What are ion cannons going to do? In SW i know you can disable a ship with
> them but i don't think they have the same effect on ST ships... i could be
> wrong.. but i think all the enterprise's have been through an ion storm or
> two and it just messed up sensor readings...
Well, an Ion bolt of some sort was used to major FUBAR the BOP in
"Generations", and it went right through the shielding. Ion cannons are very
tightly packed and highly charged ionic bolts (heh, that was a stretch if
ever I heard one, coming from me :) that do far more than just scramble
sensors.
> > What makes you think SW weaponry is inferior to ST weaponry? The asteroid
> > calcs give us a TL strength orders of magnitude higher than ST ships.
>
> What asteriod calcs?
Bunch of calcs on the minimum energy needed to vaporise an asteroid, as from
"ESB".
> I don't think so but this is just my personal opinion... _*I*_ think that
> with the Enterprise-A's nav shields up it could fly right through a squadron
> of firing Tie's. But that's my opinion and i'm not going to argue it
because
> both sides energy weapons are imposible. The people who get all irrate
about
> arguing about exact MW GW TW's are the people i call fanatics not fans.
Perhaps we're fanatics, but from our POV we aren't. It is just one way to
measure it. Fanatics, to my mind, are those who won't and can't accept the
opposite POV, even when presented with overwhelming evidence. A few people
on this NG come to mind...
> > Ah, but you wouldn't keep the designs in one place. The Empire would move
> > in, take the planet, nick off with some computers, send them back to
> > Coruscant to be analysed and then if they are needed, adapt them to their
> > ships.
>
> I like the other guys idea better about if the Empire could take over the
> Eutopia Planetia ship yard. Then they'd have a stockpile of parts and the
> schematics for every ship.
Sure would :). Though depending on how desperate the Federation became, they
could just self-destruct the entire facility.
Piett
AllyUnion
drummi...@usa.net wrote:
> In article <355ED049...@home.com>,
> Damien Kelly <mai...@home.com> wrote:
> >
> > Ok I have been reading these posts for several weeks now. I would like
> > to say I am a fan of BOTH ST and SW...but I have to say that IF the
> > Empire were to land their ground forces on Earth, they would tear the
> > living snot out of StarFleet Headquaters. In all of ST I have never seen
> > any REAL ground forces. Take the Empires AT-ATs, AT-STs, and assault
> > tanks, mix them up with the Speeder bikes, and the Empires obviously
> > illegal assasin droids, and what do you have? A HUGE (but extremely cool
> > and visual battle). Now I could be wrong, I have never read any TMs or
> > campaign books for ST to know if the federation has ANY ground forces,
> > ie tanks...etc...
> > I'm leaving out starships in this comparison, so please don't drag in
> > that StarFleet vessels would attack from orbit. I would like to know
> > what everyone else thinks, how would StarFleet (on Earth) defend against
> > a ground assault?
> >
>
> I can't disagree with you about the Empire trashing StarFleet in a ground
> battle. See, I relate StarFleet with a country like Carthage. For the most
> part, they were a sea faring culture, and their power lay in their navy. So
> I think the problem for the Empire would be GETTING to StarFleet. The only
> enemy vehicle able to get to Earth was the Borg, and the Empire isn't as
> strong as the Borg. There are border stations, and as soon as StarFleet
> Command saw the Empire fleet coming they would rush every StarFleet vessel to
> Earth and blow up the Empire ships in orbit around Earth and leave a Empire
> land crew on the ground without any coordinated attacks due to no commanders
> up in space.
>
> However, since you requested Starships not be included, here's what I see
> happening. IF IF IF an Empire task force could land on Earth, they would
> blow the shit out of San Fran, and StarFleet would have to shift their
> headquarters to prepare. Then, they would call to their allies in space to
> send some land crews (a few Klingons maybe, among other things) over. They'd
> have to have some sort of land based photon torpedos and phasers that they
> could manuever, and I'm sure there would be some Marines. As far as vehicles
> go, as far as I'm concerned they don't have any, because no enemy ship could
> get close, but they'd tear down a starship and put it's defenses on the
> ground. That's what I think would happen.
>
> Matt
>
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For the Borg: The Borg reached Earth because of something called Transwarp. If
don't know that is, just ask.
AllyUnion
Pi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
> In article <6jn1r4$v6o$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>,
> The problem would be that for every ship Starfleet could muster, the Empire
> could muster 5 times the number in ISDs alone. They have around 25,000 Star
> Destroyers, which is several times the size of Starfleet and not including
> any of the other cruisers, support vessels, torpedo spheres etc....
>
> So even if the Empire isn't as strong as the borg, if you put Starfleet and
> the Empire on equal footing weaponry/shielding/range wise you have a problem
> for the Federation.
>
> > However, since you requested Starships not be included, here's what I see
> > happening. IF IF IF an Empire task force could land on Earth, they would
> > blow the shit out of San Fran, and StarFleet would have to shift their
> > headquarters to prepare. Then, they would call to their allies in space to
> > send some land crews (a few Klingons maybe, among other things) over.
> They'd
> > have to have some sort of land based photon torpedos and phasers that they
> > could manuever, and I'm sure there would be some Marines. As far as
> vehicles
> > go, as far as I'm concerned they don't have any, because no enemy ship could
> > get close, but they'd tear down a starship and put it's defenses on the
> > ground. That's what I think would happen.
>
> Hmm...how easy is it to rip phaser emitters and torpedo launchers of a
> starship? Are they detachable modules? They may well be, it would mean
> quick repair for damaged ships.
>
> So once you've landed half the Imperial contigent of Stormtroopers, you have
> a bunch of them running around trashing everything. Next, they nick
> Federation technology and have a field day with it :P.
>
> Piett
>
> > Matt
> >
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> >
>
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Of course, you could have a bunch of holograms with holo-emitters taking the
battle for StarFleet... but that is another issue.
AllyUnion
Pi...@my-dejanews.com wrote:
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Most ST books create another ST universe (Yes the books have their own ST
universe, look for a Star-Trek Timeline, you will see how and why.), BUT there are
a few in which Paramount chooses the book to be an episode, so it does not
contradict (very few.).
drummi...@usa.net
In article <6k3l1i$4...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>,
see
> > happening. IF IF IF an Empire task force could land on Earth, they would
> > blow the shit out of San Fran, and StarFleet would have to shift their
> > headquarters to prepare. Then, they would call to their allies in space
to
> > send some land crews (a few Klingons maybe, among other things) over.
They'd
> > have to have some sort of land based photon torpedos and phasers that they
> > could manuever, and I'm sure there would be some Marines. As far as
vehicles
> > go, as far as I'm concerned they don't have any, because no enemy ship
could
> > get close, but they'd tear down a starship and put it's defenses on the
> > ground. That's what I think would happen.
> >
> >
> > -----== Posted via Deja News, The Leader in Internet Discussion ==-----
> > http://www.dejanews.com/ Now offering spam-free web-based newsreading
>
Transwarp. If
> don't know that is, just ask.
>
I'm not questioning why they made it there... But, since you do, what is
Transwarp?
Rush Limbaugh
drummi...@usa.net wrote in message <6jqo0c$vgq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>OKay, there's a bunch of different branches on this thread so I'll try
>respond to each seperately.
>>In article <89547647...@newsch.es.co.nz>,
> "Rush Limbaugh" <Rush_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> Pat Hopp wrote in message <355F37AD...@phopp.resnet.mtu.edu>...
>> >What oracle of knowledge spat out that number? In the movie's there
>> >looked
>> >to be a hundred large ships((ISD,ICBM'S,BBC's,WHATERVER)) (and that's
>> >pushing
>> >it) defending the empire's MOST important station and the Emperor
>> >himself.
>> >
>> YOU MORON SW HAS AN ENTIRE GALAXY TO DEFEND ONE STATION EVEN THE ONE THE
>> EMPEROR IS IN WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE 100TH OF A PERCENT OF THE FLEET!!!
>>
>Why not?
Because a Galaxy is a large place and if he had 5% of the fleet that would
mean that the fights with the rebels would suffer, you see each system needs
defenders, police and peace keepers and then there are the troops he uses to
attack etc and the larger his personal force is the smaller that is and he
has dark Jedi protecting him so why does he need anyone else?
This guy is the person that is in control of the Empire for God's
>sake, at the very least he'd have at least 5% of the Fleet with him.
>
Why? Because you want to say he does? The fact is your idea isnt realistic
>> >They May and they May not be. _*IF*_ they could land on earth there
>> >isn't much
>> >of a supply of phaser/torpedo hardware on the planet to rip according to
>> >what
>> >the consensous was earlier. They would have to be pulling hardware off
>> >starships,
>> >and that's not very likely... If a ST ship is damaged bad enough that
>> >power fails
>> >POOF anti-matter containment is gone.. no more ship... If a ship is
>> >disabled and
>> >about to be boarded the captians of 99% of the ST ships will do what 99%
>> >of all
>> >ST captians have done. Self Destruct. Poof.. No hardware to collect..
>> >
>> Wrong the droids would disable any self destruct in nano seconds
>
>I'm afraid not, brother. Droids can only connect to the computer assuming
>that there's the little circular thing that R2D2 always attaches himself
to.
No you are wrong there, R2D2 had multiple connection ports and if they didnt
have such a port they can directly interface to the computer.
>In the ST universe there ARE no droids, and so for one thing they wouldn't
be
>able to access the computer, and for the other thing they wouldn't even
know
>HOW to use the computer.
Why? Computers are basicaly the same the universe over and this is more
proof of SW superiority each ship has several Datas
Remember in RotJ, R2D2 got SHOT before he could
>even figure out the door on Endor or whatever, and that was in his own
>universe.
It had an Emperial encryption code on it. Something similar to what data put
on the Enterprise in First Contact and he stated the Borg would never work
it out.
Droid's would have a bit of a bigger problem in the ST universe.
>
NO they would not the federations inferior computer tech would be childs
play to decypher (after all there are millions of sentient robots in Sw and
only one In St)
>> >> So once you've landed half the Imperial contigent of Stormtroopers,
you
>> have
>> >> a bunch of them running around trashing everything. Next, they nick
>> >> Federation technology and have a field day with it :P.
>> >
>> >_*IF*_ ST and SW where on the same footing with
>> >weapondry/shielding/range I still
>> >think it would take the Empire a little while to figure out what to do
>> >with it,
>> >adapt there powersources, and put it together. And by that time the war
>> >in space
>> >would be done, and -*whoever*- the victors of that would be would have
>> >no problem
>> >clearing the rest of the other side off the planet.
>> >
>> Yeah but seeing as the Emprie outnumbers them millions to one it wont
matter
>
>I wish you would stop pulling number out your ass. The Empire wouldn't be
>able to pull it's entire fleet from all ends of the universe just to attack
>Earth. Remember, as you said earlier, even the EMPORER HIMSELF couldn't
>round up more than a hundred ships, a 1/100th percent or so of the Empire
>Fleet. Even inthis attack on earth, do you really think it's ad important
>as the life of the Emporer, and that they would even put 1/100th of their
>resources into taking it?
>
Yes. You see the reason he can have so few is that he has all the fleets
surrounding his system to protect him also (interdictors happen to stop
anyone from getting close quite well) so he technicaly has most of the fleet
defending him and only a small contingent around him.
drummi...@usa.net
In article <89587041...@newsch.es.co.nz>,
"Rush Limbaugh" <Rush_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> drummi...@usa.net wrote in message <6jqo0c$vgq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> >OKay, there's a bunch of different branches on this thread so I'll try
> >respond to each seperately.
> >>In article <89547647...@newsch.es.co.nz>,
> > "Rush Limbaugh" <Rush_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> Pat Hopp wrote in message <355F37AD...@phopp.resnet.mtu.edu>...
>
> >> >What oracle of knowledge spat out that number? In the movie's there
> >> >looked
> >> >to be a hundred large ships((ISD,ICBM'S,BBC's,WHATERVER)) (and that's
> >> >pushing
> >> >it) defending the empire's MOST important station and the Emperor
> >> >himself.
> >> >
> >> YOU MORON SW HAS AN ENTIRE GALAXY TO DEFEND ONE STATION EVEN THE ONE THE
> >> EMPEROR IS IN WOULD NOT EVEN HAVE 100TH OF A PERCENT OF THE FLEET!!!
> >>
> >Why not?
>
> Because a Galaxy is a large place and if he had 5% of the fleet that would
> mean that the fights with the rebels would suffer, you see each system needs
> defenders, police and peace keepers and then there are the troops he uses to
> attack etc and the larger his personal force is the smaller that is and he
> has dark Jedi protecting him so why does he need anyone else?
>
Because if he is a very smart fellow, he should know that there is a
possibility he could lose. But you see you're missing the whole idea of this
rebel attack. This was the ENTIRE_REBEL_FLEET buddy. Hate to break it, but
there were no rebels in a significant FORCE that would attack, which would
not warrent keep the rest of the fleet wherever they were guarding whatever.
The Emporer knew that the entire Rebel Fleet was going to attack the DSII, so
of course he got the bulk of his ships to DSII.
> This guy is the person that is in control of the Empire for God's
> >sake, at the very least he'd have at least 5% of the Fleet with him.
> >
> Why? Because you want to say he does? The fact is your idea isnt realistic
Well, that too, but mainly because of the fact that "this guy is the person
that is in control of the Empire"
>
> >> >They May and they May not be. _*IF*_ they could land on earth there
> >> >isn't much
> >> >of a supply of phaser/torpedo hardware on the planet to rip according to
> >> >what
> >> >the consensous was earlier. They would have to be pulling hardware off
> >> >starships,
> >> >and that's not very likely... If a ST ship is damaged bad enough that
> >> >power fails
> >> >POOF anti-matter containment is gone.. no more ship... If a ship is
> >> >disabled and
> >> >about to be boarded the captians of 99% of the ST ships will do what 99%
> >> >of all
> >> >ST captians have done. Self Destruct. Poof.. No hardware to collect..
> >> >
> >> Wrong the droids would disable any self destruct in nano seconds
> >
> >I'm afraid not, brother. Droids can only connect to the computer assuming
> >that there's the little circular thing that R2D2 always attaches himself
> to.
>
> No you are wrong there, R2D2 had multiple connection ports and if they didnt
> have such a port they can directly interface to the computer.
>
No, I am right, I'm afraid. Let me pose an example. Joe can speak English,
and Spanish, but when he goes to Russia he is way out of his league. Just
because he can speak a few languages doesn't mean he can speak all of them.
R2D2 has a bunch of connection ports, but when he gets to the Star Trek
universe he is way out of his league. Just because he can connect to a few
Star Wars computers doesn't mean he can connect to the Star Trek ones. So
maybe he can directly interface to the computer (which I find unlikely), but
the point I'm trying to make is that he CAN'T disable the self destruct in
nanoseconds.
> >In the ST universe there ARE no droids, and so for one thing they wouldn't
> be
> >able to access the computer, and for the other thing they wouldn't even
> know
> >HOW to use the computer.
>
> Why? Computers are basicaly the same the universe over and this is more
> proof of SW superiority each ship has several Datas
>
Who told you that? Computers aren't the same in a different universe. Let's
go back to the languages example. English and Spanish both have adjectives,
direct objects, predicate nomnitives, etc. But they aren't arranged in the
same way. ST computers and SW computers both do about the same thing. But
they aren't made in the same way. How do I know? Look at them genius.
They're completely different.
> Remember in RotJ, R2D2 got SHOT before he could
> >even figure out the door on Endor or whatever, and that was in his own
> >universe.
>
> It had an Emperial encryption code on it. Something similar to what data put
> on the Enterprise in First Contact and he stated the Borg would never work
> it out.
>
Okay, well the ship would put an encription on itself just like Data did when
they were getting taken over.
> Droid's would have a bit of a bigger problem in the ST universe.
> >
> NO they would not the federations inferior computer tech would be childs
> play to decypher (after all there are millions of sentient robots in Sw and
> only one In St)
>
Droids in SW are nothing more than mobile Ships Computers like the one on the
Enterprise that everyone talks to.
Okay, I'll admit this went way over my head... I don't understand what
you're talking about
Pi...@my-dejanews.com
He wasn't a terribly smart fellow. He thought he would win, he didn't
consider he would loose. That much should be obvious if you actually watch
the film. The Emperor couldn't divert the bulk of the Fleet for two main
reasons:
1) If you withdraw all of your ISDs from service and send them to somewhere
nobody knows about, the Rebel's INTEL division would have realised something
was wrong and they would have postponed the Endor attack. This is exactly
what he didn't want.
2) The Rebels, whilst a serious threat, aren't the only threat in the
Galaxy. You have local rebels, policing work to do, smuggling, training
excercises, cargo operations, pirates to take care of etc....The second you
remove most of your frontline warships, you're going to loose control.
> > This guy is the person that is in control of the Empire for God's
> > >sake, at the very least he'd have at least 5% of the Fleet with him.
> > >
> > Why? Because you want to say he does? The fact is your idea isnt realistic
>
> Well, that too, but mainly because of the fact that "this guy is the person
> that is in control of the Empire"
Look above for possible reasons why not.
Star Wars computers wouldn't be as haphazard as our languages. Its all
numbers, in the end. You're right - an astromech couldn't disable a self-
destruct in a few nanoseconds, but it would only take a few minutes once he
found somewhere to connect into. We've seen that the Isolinear chip tech has
large removable 'trays', he could remove a tray and connect in there.
> > >In the ST universe there ARE no droids, and so for one thing they
wouldn't
> > be
> > >able to access the computer, and for the other thing they wouldn't even
> > know
> > >HOW to use the computer.
> >
> > Why? Computers are basicaly the same the universe over and this is more
> > proof of SW superiority each ship has several Datas
> >
>
> Who told you that? Computers aren't the same in a different universe.
Let's
> go back to the languages example. English and Spanish both have adjectives,
> direct objects, predicate nomnitives, etc. But they aren't arranged in the
> same way. ST computers and SW computers both do about the same thing. But
> they aren't made in the same way. How do I know? Look at them genius.
> They're completely different.
Given the diversity of languages in the SW universe, compared to all one
language due to the universal translater, SW computers have to be far more
widely versed in different protocals. Threepio, for example, could translate
millions of languages, AND do things like program machinery - not bad for a
simple protocal droid.
> > Remember in RotJ, R2D2 got SHOT before he could
> > >even figure out the door on Endor or whatever, and that was in his own
> > >universe.
> >
> > It had an Emperial encryption code on it. Something similar to what data
put
> > on the Enterprise in First Contact and he stated the Borg would never work
> > it out.
> >
>
> Okay, well the ship would put an encription on itself just like Data did
when
> they were getting taken over.
Heh, only one ship has Data - it would take an ordinary officer much longer
to encrypt like he did. MUCH longer. Look at Kim in "Scorpion II" - he
couldn't keep 7 of 9 out of the computer, no matter how hard he tried.
> > Droid's would have a bit of a bigger problem in the ST universe.
> > >
> > NO they would not the federations inferior computer tech would be childs
> > play to decypher (after all there are millions of sentient robots in Sw
and
> > only one In St)
> >
>
> Droids in SW are nothing more than mobile Ships Computers like the one on
the
> Enterprise that everyone talks to.
Except they do much more. They have to do a much wider variety of jobs.
Assassin droids, cargo droids, navigation and piloting droids and THEN you
have something like the Ships Computer on an ISD, which handles the function
for a warship.
<snip>
Piett
Rush Limbaugh
drummi...@usa.net wrote in message <6k7dal$5cf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>In article <89587041...@newsch.es.co.nz>,
> "Rush Limbaugh" <Rush_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> drummi...@usa.net wrote in message
<6jqo0c$vgq$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
>> >OKay, there's a bunch of different branches on this thread so I'll >>
>respond to each seperately.
>> >>In article <89547647...@newsch.es.co.nz>,
>> > "Rush Limbaugh" <Rush_L...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> >> Pat Hopp wrote in message <355F37AD...@phopp.resnet.mtu.edu>...
>>
>> Because a Galaxy is a large place and if he had 5% of the fleet that
would
>> mean that the fights with the rebels would suffer, you see each system
needs
>> defenders, police and peace keepers and then there are the troops he uses
to
>> attack etc and the larger his personal force is the smaller that is and
he
>> has dark Jedi protecting him so why does he need anyone else?
>>
>Because if he is a very smart fellow, he should know that there is a
>possibility he could lose. But you see you're missing the whole idea of
this
>rebel attack. This was the ENTIRE_REBEL_FLEET buddy. Hate to break it,
but
>there were no rebels in a significant FORCE that would attack, which would
>not warrent keep the rest of the fleet wherever they were guarding
whatever.
>The Emporer knew that the entire Rebel Fleet was going to attack the DSII,
so
>of course he got the bulk of his ships to DSII.
>
YOU ARE A STUPID BASTARD. THE DEATH STAR WAS CONSIDERED
INDESTRUCTABLE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! THE FACT IS THERE ARE SIHP
COMMITMENTS HE CAN NOT BREAK!!!!!!!! YOU ARE SOO STUPID IT ISNT FUNNY>
PLEASE STUDY TACTICS.
>> This guy is the person that is in control of the Empire for God's
>> >sake, at the very least he'd have at least 5% of the Fleet with him.
>> >
>> Why? Because you want to say he does? The fact is your idea isnt
realistic
>
>Well, that too, but mainly because of the fact that "this guy is the person
>that is in control of the Empire"
Yeah and hes not stupid.
>>
>> >I'm afraid not, brother. Droids can only connect to the computer
assuming
>> >that there's the little circular thing that R2D2 always attaches himself
>> to.
>>
>> No you are wrong there, R2D2 had multiple connection ports and if they
didnt
>> have such a port they can directly interface to the computer.
>>
>No, I am right, I'm afraid. Let me pose an example. Joe can speak
English,
>and Spanish, but when he goes to Russia he is way out of his league. Just
>because he can speak a few languages doesn't mean he can speak all of them.
>R2D2 has a bunch of connection ports, but when he gets to the Star Trek
>universe he is way out of his league.
No you are completely wrong there. The SW robots are more advanced than Data
and as such they could decypher St ships in nanoseconds.
Just because he can connect to a few
>Star Wars computers doesn't mean he can connect to the Star Trek ones.
Why not the Sw ones are far superior.
So
>maybe he can directly interface to the computer (which I find unlikely),
but
>the point I'm trying to make is that he CAN'T disable the self destruct in
>nanoseconds.
>
Yes he can. You see he is about 1 billion times more advanced than they are.
>> >In the ST universe there ARE no droids, and so for one thing they
wouldn't
>> be
>> >able to access the computer, and for the other thing they wouldn't even
>> know
>> >HOW to use the computer.
>>
>> Why? Computers are basicaly the same the universe over and this is more
>> proof of SW superiority each ship has several Datas
>>
>Who told you that?
Reality
Computers aren't the same in a different universe. Let's
>go back to the languages example. English and Spanish both have
adjectives,
>direct objects, predicate nomnitives, etc. But they aren't arranged in the
>same way. ST computers and SW computers both do about the same thing. But
>they aren't made in the same way. How do I know? Look at them genius.
>They're completely different.
>
Yeah the Sw ones a pareto superior.
The fact is moron the R2 unit could decypher the language almost instantly
and easily disarm the destruct sequence. Getting to your example Joe goes to
Russia and does not know the language but his handy universal translator
does the job for him.
>> Remember in RotJ, R2D2 got SHOT before he could
>> >even figure out the door on Endor or whatever, and that was in his own
>> >universe.
>>
>> It had an Emperial encryption code on it. Something similar to what data
put
>> on the Enterprise in First Contact and he stated the Borg would never
work
>> it out.
>>
>Okay, well the ship would put an encription on itself just like Data did
when
>they were getting taken over.
>
No it would not. If it would then why did Data do it?
>> Droid's would have a bit of a bigger problem in the ST universe.
>> >
>> NO they would not the federations inferior computer tech would be childs
>> play to decypher (after all there are millions of sentient robots in Sw
and
>> only one In St)
>>
>Droids in SW are nothing more than mobile Ships Computers like the one on
the
>Enterprise that everyone talks to.
>
No they have emotions and there are thousands of sentient robots (assassin
droids for example)
>> Yes. You see the reason he can have so few is that he has all the fleets
>> surrounding his system to protect him also (interdictors happen to stop
>> anyone from getting close quite well) so he technicaly has most of the
fleet
>> defending him and only a small contingent around him.
>
>Okay, I'll admit this went way over my head... I don't understand what
>you're talking about
>
The enemy can not get to him (usually) without fighting several other units
on the way.
drummi...@usa.net
Okay, here's what I have to say.
Piett: You've convinced me on all points in this discussion, many thanks for
hte enlightenment.
Rush: You're taking all of this WAY to personally, and still don't manage to
convince me. Either lighten up or shut up.
Matt
Rush Limbaugh
drummi...@usa.net wrote in message <6kci98$oep$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> Okay, here's what I have to say.
>
>Piett: You've convinced me on all points in this discussion, many thanks
for
>hte enlightenment.
>
>Rush: You're taking all of this WAY to personally, and still don't manage
to
>convince me. Either lighten up or shut up.
>
Go to hell this is a free country
Consular Admiral Guidreau
>>
>> No you are wrong there, R2D2 had multiple connection ports and if they didnt
>> have such a port they can directly interface to the computer.
>>
>
>No, I am right, I'm afraid. Let me pose an example. Joe can speak English,
>and Spanish, but when he goes to Russia he is way out of his league. Just
>because he can speak a few languages doesn't mean he can speak all of them.
>R2D2 has a bunch of connection ports, but when he gets to the Star Trek
>universe he is way out of his league. Just because he can connect to a few
>Star Wars computers doesn't mean he can connect to the Star Trek ones. So
>maybe he can directly interface to the computer (which I find unlikely), but
>the point I'm trying to make is that he CAN'T disable the self destruct in
>nanoseconds.
Okay, I guess you're saying that essentially it will be a computer
language problem, i.e. one using BASIC and one using PASCAL. But since
we know the Federation uses binary code for their computers (why?
because that's what we have now, and it is the simplest and most
efficient to use), then who's to say that the Empire doesn't use the
same system? And given that, it is possible for a R2 unit to just shut
the whole thing down. For that matter, how about a power surge?
Taa-daa!
Admiral Guidreau
Eric Johnson
Actually the problem he is stating is the physical problem of interfacing
the R2 unit with the ship's computer. Besides that there is the problem of
solving the software translation. The same reason why a droid would be
ineffective against a Star Trek ship is the same reason why a Borg Drone
would not be able download every stat and technical readout of a ship within
seconds of finding a terminal. Both would require significant time. It is
just an anomaly that every one in the ST universe uses the same computer
data technology.
BTW disabling a self destruct on a ST ship would never be an issue. The
standard tactic in assaulting a ship is to first disable it. This causes all
computer systems to overload and remain shut down till the ionizing
radiation is purged from their systems. Unfortunately this would mean the
systems containing the antimatter would shut down. And moments later,
Kaboom! Too bad ST ships use such volatile fuel. No wonder the empire
apparently decided to choose a much bulkier energy generation technology.
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