ATTN: E2 Crybabies: You Are Wrong
Kynes
last night. Also as discussed on my website, I have correctly assessed
this film as both magnificent and great, as well as exciting. It seems
many of our dimmer members, eager to complain about something, don't
agree.
You are wrong.
I have determined that complaints about the romance portion of the
film stem primarily from the lack of a romance portion in the
complainer's lives. This is fine; your bitterness is all you have.
Please recognize, however, that many of us do not share in your mental
illness.
Also, nitpicky complaints have arisen over the quality of the ground
battle. Individuals who complain that space bombardment of Geonosis
was needed apparently missed the idea of flying in to lift out the
remaining Jedi forces. This is fine. It only means they are both wrong
and stupid. You may continue insistence that the modern U.S. military
would wipe out the Star Wars galaxy with artillery, or whatever.
However, please realize that the rest of us understand the Republic
has been at peace for thousands of years, it is not a good idea to
bombard the people you are trying to rescue, and the entire operation
was thrown together on fairly short notice, as in none.
Bitching about similarities to ESB will also be ignored. I like the
Empire Strikes Back.
This was an excellent movie. I thought, for your reference, that
Episode I was only pretty good but below the quality of the later
films. I think E2 can stand toe-to-toe with ANH and ROTJ and is
nipping the heels of ESB. If you disagree, that is fine. You are
allowed to be a total moron.
If you will excuse me, I have to go and enjoy one of my new favorite
movies. Have fun sitting around complaining about Portman's fruit-bite
kinematics or whatever.
LK, posting on Google 'cause everything's in shipping
http://galactec.com/kynes/
Eric
>As discussed on my website, I attended the 12:01AM show of Episode II
>last night. Also as discussed on my website, I have correctly assessed
>this film as both magnificent and great, as well as exciting. It seems
>many of our dimmer members, eager to complain about something, don't
>agree.
>
>You are wrong.
Hear hear! I just got back from watching it, and I loved it.
>I have determined that complaints about the romance portion of the
>film stem primarily from the lack of a romance portion in the
>complainer's lives. This is fine; your bitterness is all you have.
>Please recognize, however, that many of us do not share in your mental
>illness.
C'mon. You've got to admit Anakin's pickup lines were pretty damned
bad. :)
>Also, nitpicky complaints have arisen over the quality of the ground
>battle. Individuals who complain that space bombardment of Geonosis
>was needed apparently missed the idea of flying in to lift out the
>remaining Jedi forces. This is fine. It only means they are both wrong
>and stupid. You may continue insistence that the modern U.S. military
>would wipe out the Star Wars galaxy with artillery, or whatever.
>However, please realize that the rest of us understand the Republic
>has been at peace for thousands of years, it is not a good idea to
>bombard the people you are trying to rescue, and the entire operation
>was thrown together on fairly short notice, as in none.
Exactly! They were there to rescue Obi-wan & the other Jedi, capture
Dooku, and try to get as much information on the separatists as
possible.
Glassing the place from orbit would've prevented all those goals.
As for the thrown-together ground battle, I thought it went quite
well. The clonetroopers were seemingly doing leapfrog advancement,
had forward troops, concentrated their firepower, dropping off
equipment where it was needed, providing cover fire from aircraft...
And, as far as it matters here, the clonetrooper army would crush
whatever ground force ST could whip up. :)
>This was an excellent movie. I thought, for your reference, that
>Episode I was only pretty good but below the quality of the later
>films. I think E2 can stand toe-to-toe with ANH and ROTJ and is
>nipping the heels of ESB. If you disagree, that is fine. You are
>allowed to be a total moron.
I thought Ep1 was better than RotJ, and AotC's better than Ep1. I'll
have to see it again before I decide if it's as good as or better than
ANH or ESB.
I just -love- how Palpatine's playing all sides against each other
just to kill off the Jedi and further his own Imperial ideals. He
conned the Trade Federation into invading Naboo, he instigated the
creation and activation of the Clone Army, he commands the separatists
the clone army was made to fight...
It's interesting when you can't really root for either side, since
they're both controlled by the same guy. Tyrannus is right about the
Dark Jedi controlling the Senate, but he's a dark Jedi who's willing
to execute people publicly to appease his comrade's bloodlust.
But the clone army fights against these apparently evil guys, yet the
army's ultimately commanded by Palpatine...
And, hell, I didn't see Obi-wan's & Anakin's losses at the hands of
Tyrannus. With Ep1, Anakin prevails against the odds thanks to the
force...but he gets his ass handed to him on a platter (along with his
arm) by a Jedi 40 years older.
Toss in the Death Star, an ass-kicking Yoda, and a psychotic,
half-trained, teenage Jedi, and you've got yourself one hell of a
movie.
Eric
"Sufficiently advanced technology is often indistinguishable
from magic." Clarke's Third Law
aa #197
Remove the obvious to mail me
Durandal
> On 16 May 2002 14:15:59 -0700, poo...@seanbaby.com (Kynes) wrote:
>
>>As discussed on my website, I attended the 12:01AM show of Episode II
>>last night. Also as discussed on my website, I have correctly assessed
>>this film as both magnificent and great, as well as exciting. It seems
>>many of our dimmer members, eager to complain about something, don't
>>agree.
>>
>>You are wrong.
>
> Hear hear! I just got back from watching it, and I loved it.
I second that.
>>I have determined that complaints about the romance portion of the
>>film stem primarily from the lack of a romance portion in the
>>complainer's lives. This is fine; your bitterness is all you have.
>>Please recognize, however, that many of us do not share in your mental
>>illness.
>
> C'mon. You've got to admit Anakin's pickup lines were pretty damned
> bad. :)
That's because Anakin's never dealt with girls on a romantic level
before. All he's done over the course of ten years was Jedi training
during the day and wet dreams about Padme at night. Finally confronting
her, he's a blithering idiot, and that's something that most geeky Star
Wars fans can relate to.
>>Also, nitpicky complaints have arisen over the quality of the ground
>>battle. Individuals who complain that space bombardment of Geonosis
>>was needed apparently missed the idea of flying in to lift out the
>>remaining Jedi forces. This is fine. It only means they are both wrong
>>and stupid. You may continue insistence that the modern U.S. military
>>would wipe out the Star Wars galaxy with artillery, or whatever.
>>However, please realize that the rest of us understand the Republic
>>has been at peace for thousands of years, it is not a good idea to
>>bombard the people you are trying to rescue, and the entire operation
>>was thrown together on fairly short notice, as in none.
>
> Exactly! They were there to rescue Obi-wan & the other Jedi, capture
> Dooku, and try to get as much information on the separatists as
> possible.
> Glassing the place from orbit would've prevented all those goals.
WAH! I'M WHINEY SB.CM TERKKEI! EPDOISE II CONDRACITS ICS! THRER ARNT
200GT TRUBLOASRES! WAH!
> As for the thrown-together ground battle, I thought it went quite
> well. The clonetroopers were seemingly doing leapfrog advancement,
> had forward troops, concentrated their firepower, dropping off
> equipment where it was needed, providing cover fire from aircraft...
> And, as far as it matters here, the clonetrooper army would crush
> whatever ground force ST could whip up. :)
Those clone troopers would slaughter Federation ground forces so
thoroughly that it wouldn't even be funny.
>>This was an excellent movie. I thought, for your reference, that
>>Episode I was only pretty good but below the quality of the later
>>films. I think E2 can stand toe-to-toe with ANH and ROTJ and is
>>nipping the heels of ESB. If you disagree, that is fine. You are
>>allowed to be a total moron.
>
> I thought Ep1 was better than RotJ, and AotC's better than Ep1. I'll
> have to see it again before I decide if it's as good as or better than
> ANH or ESB.
I don't know about Episode I being better than Jedi, but Clones
definitely ranks up there with Empire. I don't know which one I like
better, yet. I'll have to see Clones, again. :)
> I just -love- how Palpatine's playing all sides against each other
> just to kill off the Jedi and further his own Imperial ideals. He
> conned the Trade Federation into invading Naboo, he instigated the
> creation and activation of the Clone Army, he commands the separatists
> the clone army was made to fight...
Indeed. His entire plan is a masterpiece, and it works out beautifully,
even though he had to improvise in Episode I because of the Jedi's
involvement.
> It's interesting when you can't really root for either side, since
> they're both controlled by the same guy. Tyrannus is right about the
> Dark Jedi controlling the Senate, but he's a dark Jedi who's willing
> to execute people publicly to appease his comrade's bloodlust.
> But the clone army fights against these apparently evil guys, yet the
> army's ultimately commanded by Palpatine...
Confusing, isn't it?
> And, hell, I didn't see Obi-wan's & Anakin's losses at the hands of
> Tyrannus. With Ep1, Anakin prevails against the odds thanks to the
> force...but he gets his ass handed to him on a platter (along with his
> arm) by a Jedi 40 years older.
It's Christopher Lee, and you know what they say about guys with curved
lightsabers...
> Toss in the Death Star, an ass-kicking Yoda, and a psychotic,
> half-trained, teenage Jedi, and you've got yourself one hell of a
> movie.
Indeed.
--
Damien Sorresso
[AOL IM: durandal64] | [ICQ: 12183859]
http://homepage.mac.com/durandal64
"I'd rather let a thousand guilty men go free than chase after them."
-Chief Wiggum
The Baron
<gui...@NOSPAMDAMMIT.tx3.com> wrote:
>On 16 May 2002 14:15:59 -0700, poo...@seanbaby.com (Kynes) wrote:
>
>>As discussed on my website, I attended the 12:01AM show of Episode II
>>last night. Also as discussed on my website, I have correctly assessed
>>this film as both magnificent and great, as well as exciting. It seems
>>many of our dimmer members, eager to complain about something, don't
>>agree.
>>
>>You are wrong.
>
>Hear hear! I just got back from watching it, and I loved it.
>
>>I have determined that complaints about the romance portion of the
>>film stem primarily from the lack of a romance portion in the
>>complainer's lives. This is fine; your bitterness is all you have.
>>Please recognize, however, that many of us do not share in your mental
>>illness.
>
>C'mon. You've got to admit Anakin's pickup lines were pretty damned
>bad. :)
>
Well, she *is* the only person he's ever chatted up besides Ben...
>>Also, nitpicky complaints have arisen over the quality of the ground
>>battle. Individuals who complain that space bombardment of Geonosis
>>was needed apparently missed the idea of flying in to lift out the
>>remaining Jedi forces. This is fine. It only means they are both wrong
>>and stupid. You may continue insistence that the modern U.S. military
>>would wipe out the Star Wars galaxy with artillery, or whatever.
>>However, please realize that the rest of us understand the Republic
>>has been at peace for thousands of years, it is not a good idea to
>>bombard the people you are trying to rescue, and the entire operation
>>was thrown together on fairly short notice, as in none.
>
>Exactly! They were there to rescue Obi-wan & the other Jedi, capture
>Dooku, and try to get as much information on the separatists as
>possible.
>Glassing the place from orbit would've prevented all those goals.
And also not been in the spirit of the Jedi way...
>As for the thrown-together ground battle, I thought it went quite
>well. The clonetroopers were seemingly doing leapfrog advancement,
>had forward troops, concentrated their firepower, dropping off
>equipment where it was needed, providing cover fire from aircraft...
>And, as far as it matters here, the clonetrooper army would crush
>whatever ground force ST could whip up. :)
>
>>This was an excellent movie. I thought, for your reference, that
>>Episode I was only pretty good but below the quality of the later
>>films. I think E2 can stand toe-to-toe with ANH and ROTJ and is
>>nipping the heels of ESB. If you disagree, that is fine. You are
>>allowed to be a total moron.
>
>I thought Ep1 was better than RotJ, and AotC's better than Ep1. I'll
>have to see it again before I decide if it's as good as or better than
>ANH or ESB.
No, Ep1 was made to cater to the masses, to win fans for the next 2
prequels. With those new fans firmly under their belt, they were able
to make Ep2 much more 'star warsy' than Ep1. Hopefully Ep3 will be
similar in that.
>I just -love- how Palpatine's playing all sides against each other
>just to kill off the Jedi and further his own Imperial ideals. He
>conned the Trade Federation into invading Naboo, he instigated the
>creation and activation of the Clone Army, he commands the separatists
>the clone army was made to fight...
He is a genius.
>It's interesting when you can't really root for either side, since
>they're both controlled by the same guy. Tyrannus is right about the
>Dark Jedi controlling the Senate, but he's a dark Jedi who's willing
>to execute people publicly to appease his comrade's bloodlust.
>But the clone army fights against these apparently evil guys, yet the
>army's ultimately commanded by Palpatine...
It is interesting that Tyranus' army fought Palpatine's army
(effectively) with both sides suffering serious losses, when they're
Master and Apprentice...
>And, hell, I didn't see Obi-wan's & Anakin's losses at the hands of
>Tyrannus. With Ep1, Anakin prevails against the odds thanks to the
>force...but he gets his ass handed to him on a platter (along with his
>arm) by a Jedi 40 years older.
>
>Toss in the Death Star, an ass-kicking Yoda, and a psychotic,
>half-trained, teenage Jedi, and you've got yourself one hell of a
>movie.
Yoda, cha cha cha!
RayCav
Eric
wrote:
>It is interesting that Tyranus' army fought Palpatine's army
>(effectively) with both sides suffering serious losses, when they're
>Master and Apprentice...
What I'm wondering now is how much Tyranus actually knows. Does he
know that Sidious is Palpatine? Does he know that Palpatine
maneuvered the Droid and Clone armies to fight each other? Does he
know that Palpatine created the separatist movement to get himself the
Clone army that will soon impose his will on the galaxy?
Natasha Bell
You folks are easily amused. Episode 2 is the lamest movie I have seen
in a very long time!. Bahh STAR WARS! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. From my
perspective it is YOU who are the "total moron(s)"
Tasha
Graeme Dice
>
> Kynes wrote:
<snip>
> > LK, posting on Google 'cause everything's in shipping
> > http://galactec.com/kynes/
>
> You folks are easily amused. Episode 2 is the lamest movie I have seen
> in a very long time!. Bahh STAR WARS! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. From my
> perspective it is YOU who are the "total moron(s)"
When I want your opinion I'll give it to you.
I really couldn't care less what someone with yor complete and utter
lack of grammatical and social skills thinks of a movie.
Graeme Dice
--
Real computer scientists despise the idea of actual hardware.
Hardware has limitations, software doesn't.
It's a real shame that Turing machines are so poor at I/O.
Dalton
[snip]
> You folks are easily amused. Episode 2 is the lamest movie I have seen
> in a very long time!. Bahh STAR WARS! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. From my
> perspective it is YOU who are the "total moron(s)"
Rock the boat some more, troll-bitch. All your bluster is merely trekkie
spite. Eat our 200GT turbolasers and die.
--
Rob "Roby" Dalton
r...@daltonator.net
"Watts and joules are interchangeable."
http://www.galactec.com/timothy/index.php3
C.S.Strowbridge
> Natasha Bell wrote:
>>You folks are easily amused. Episode 2 is the lamest movie I have seen
>>in a very long time!. Bahh STAR WARS! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. From my
>>perspective it is YOU who are the "total moron(s)"
>
> Rock the boat some more, troll-bitch. All your bluster is merely trekkie
> spite. Eat our 200GT turbolasers and die.
I doubt she's seen the movie. And if she did she spent more time looking
for weaknesses ST could exploit than paying attention to anything she
complained about.
C.S.Strowbridge
Cmdrwilkens
news:3CE49112...@bellsouth.net...
You know what...MA'AM. You almost had won over my respect for your
increasingly honest discourse with Rob and the fac you seemed to be changing
around your overall attitude but frankly it is posts like these that make me
doubt your claim to be an officer and if the claim is true then my faith in
the Army officer corps is about as solid as a glass of water.
--
Lcpl Burnett, G.R.
USMCR
BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG
"Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure"
- IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net)
Natasha Bell
Actually, privately - I don't want or need your respect. It is not
important to me. I have the right to express my opinion as anyone else
has in this great country of ours. Further, you have the right to
disagree with me, but not the right to attempt to restrict my opinion.
Once again, you know nothing of my professional competence - if you had,
maybe you would not be making rash statements. Language is adaptive, so
is vocabulary. You have to adapt it to your audience. I am sure that
you do understand this. Please inform your companions, that I never
made the reference that the U.S. Military could wipe out the Star Wars
Galaxy. That would be illogical in the extreme. The military is
reality - Star Wars is fantasy, loosely based in science. The example I
gave was an analogy between Star Trek and Star Wars. However,
considering his comments - I am doubtful that he understands it in the
slightest.
Tasha
Stuart Mackey
"Kynes" <poo...@seanbaby.com> wrote in message
news:47bd8522.02051...@posting.google.com...
> As discussed on my website, I attended the 12:01AM show of Episode II
> last night. Also as discussed on my website, I have correctly assessed
> this film as both magnificent and great, as well as exciting. It seems
> many of our dimmer members, eager to complain about something, don't
> agree.
snip
Agreed
In regards to the romantic aspect, Lucas has said previously that this movie
_is_ a romance, that the whole thing, is about Anakin and Padme's
relationship.
Stuart Mackey
snip
>
> You folks are easily amused. Episode 2 is the lamest movie I have seen
> in a very long time!. Bahh STAR WARS! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. From my
> perspective it is YOU who are the "total moron(s)"
>
> Tasha
I tend to agree with Greg.
Quite honestly, have you seen the movie?
and after this comment, I am really doubting if you are an Officer, either
that or or US army officers are worse than I thought.
Graeme Dice
>
> Cmdrwilkens wrote:
<snip>
> Actually, privately - I don't want or need your respect. It is not
> important to me. I have the right to express my opinion as anyone else
> has in this great country of ours.
You aren't in the U.S. on this board, and you don't have freedom of
speech in the U.S. anyways.
>Further, you have the right to
> disagree with me, but not the right to attempt to restrict my opinion.
Actually, since this is an international public forum, we have the right
to do and say just about anything we want.
Cmdrwilkens
> important to me.
Fine by me but please note that the second you don't care about respect is
the time in which you have lost touch with reality. Respect for one another
is the basic currency of human exchange so while you are fine to not care
about the respect of others I would caution you that you are walking on a
path to stupidity.
> I have the right to express my opinion as anyone else
> has in this great country of ours. Further, you have the right to
> disagree with me, but not the right to attempt to restrict my opinion.
Certainly you have that right and I have never claimed to have a right to
block your expression (except by perhaps calling forth the group as a whole
to consider the FS). However I have equal right to point out when your
opinions are little more than bandwidth consuming flamebait. Your posts,
excepting some replies to ROb WIlson, have consistently demonstrated that
you have NOT bothered to invest more than a scant few seconds of thought to
form your words. They lack any logical argument and are filled with weak
attempts to incite the SW fanbase around here.
> Once again, you know nothing of my professional competence - if you had,
> maybe you would not be making rash statements. Language is adaptive, so
> is vocabulary. You have to adapt it to your audience. I am sure that
> you do understand this. Please inform your companions, that I never
> made the reference that the U.S. Military could wipe out the Star Wars
> Galaxy. That would be illogical in the extreme.
Of course it would but not for the reasons that you would ascribe to it.
Please take fifty seconds out of your day to understand the concept of
Suspension of Disbelief.
> The military is
> reality - Star Wars is fantasy, loosely based in science. The example I
> gave was an analogy between Star Trek and Star Wars. However,
> considering his comments - I am doubtful that he understands it in the
> slightest.
>
Are you referencing another thread because in this one the sum total of your
posts includes the statement that Episode II is the lamest ever?
Paradox
>
>
> You folks are easily amused. Episode 2 is the lamest movie I have seen
> in a very long time!. Bahh STAR WARS! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. From my
> perspective it is YOU who are the "total moron(s)"
>
> Tasha
>
YUO=FAGOT! HaHaHaHaHa!
C.S.Strowbridge
> If you disagree, that is fine. You are allowed to be a total moron.
At this rate you might become a challage to my title of Supreme Ego.
> If you will excuse me, I have to go and enjoy one of my new favorite
> movies. Have fun sitting around complaining about Portman's fruit-bite
> kinematics or whatever.
I'd rather discuss Portman's appearance on Letterman last night. Anyone
else see 'it?'
C.S.Strowbridge
silver_jedi
Thet's good, because at the rate you're going, your not earning
anyone's respect
> It is not
> important to me. I have the right to express my opinion as anyone else
> has in this great country of ours. Further, you have the right to
> disagree with me, but not the right to attempt to restrict my opinion.
When has anyone tried to restrict your opinion? The only thing this
group has done is mock and ridicule you when you make claims that are
unsupported (or in some cases, just plain wrong)
> Once again, you know nothing of my professional competence - if you had,
> maybe you would not be making rash statements.
It seems to me the main reson people are jumping on your rank and
position is the fact that you were so quick to point out that you are
an officer and Cmdrwilkens is not when you read his .sig. Frankly aftr
what I've seen, I have alot more respect and faith in the abilitys of
him than I do you.
> Language is adaptive, so
> is vocabulary. You have to adapt it to your audience. I am sure that
> you do understand this.
Why would you adapt your language? Why "lower" yourself to "our
level"?
> Please inform your companions, that I never
> made the reference that the U.S. Military could wipe out the Star Wars
> Galaxy. That would be illogical in the extreme.
Not as illogical as the claim you did make- that ST could wipe out the
starwars galaxy
> The military is
> reality - Star Wars is fantasy, loosely based in science. The example I
> gave was an analogy between Star Trek and Star Wars. However,
> considering his comments - I am doubtful that he understands it in the
> slightest.
>
> Tasha
When I saw your first post, I still had faith in you. "she is just
another clueless newbe" I thought "she'll learn eventually". But the
more I read what you post, the more I lose faith in you. I know this
place may seem like a simple nest of warsies who baselessly mock and
atempt to repress the opinion of anyone who disagrees, but the fact is
that they've done the calcs and presented the proof, that is why they
are so hostile to unsupported claims like the ones you make, because
they've seen 'em all before, and disproved 'em every time.
--
Silver Jedi
Aron Kerkhof
>I have determined that complaints about the romance portion of the
>film stem primarily from the lack of a romance portion in the
>complainer's lives. This is fine; your bitterness is all you have.
>Please recognize, however, that many of us do not share in your mental
>illness.
I disagree. I liked the movie. I wished I had not completely spoiled
myself for it, as the only thing that really made me scream like a
little girl in delight was His Royal "Y"-ness. But the romance was
awful. Actually, it was quite good until Anakin started reading pages
from "The Stalkers Dating Guide" (can't take credit for that one)
around the fireplace scene. That whole "My soul is burning, I'm in
agony, you must date me or I think I might hurt myself, and maybe you
and your family too" monologue was creepy. And, Jesus, if Natalie
Portman can come on to Jean Reno when she was 13 and make me believe
it, why, oh god why couldn't see do a better job in this? Coked-up
Carrie Fisher blew her away in the "You're probably bad for me but I'm
falling for you anyway department."
>Also, nitpicky complaints have arisen over the quality of the ground
>battle. Individuals who complain that space bombardment of Geonosis
>was needed apparently missed the idea of flying in to lift out the
>remaining Jedi forces. This is fine. It only means they are both wrong
>and stupid. You may continue insistence that the modern U.S. military
>would wipe out the Star Wars galaxy with artillery, or whatever.
>However, please realize that the rest of us understand the Republic
>has been at peace for thousands of years, it is not a good idea to
>bombard the people you are trying to rescue, and the entire operation
>was thrown together on fairly short notice, as in none.
Yes, people really are dumbasses. I mean really. But, being a vetern
of this place we all know that all to painfully well.
>Bitching about similarities to ESB will also be ignored. I like the
>Empire Strikes Back.
Quite.
>This was an excellent movie. I thought, for your reference, that
>Episode I was only pretty good but below the quality of the later
>films. I think E2 can stand toe-to-toe with ANH and ROTJ and is
>nipping the heels of ESB. If you disagree, that is fine. You are
>allowed to be a total moron.
Yes, the new official ranking for me is 5, 2, 4, 6, 1, with ROTJ only
being elevated over TPM because of the Emperor/Vader/Luke
duel/dialogue.
>If you will excuse me, I have to go and enjoy one of my new favorite
>movies. Have fun sitting around complaining about Portman's fruit-bite
>kinematics or whatever.
Yup, going off to see it again today myself. I really, really wished
I'd avoided the spoilers. There were so many things in the script
that I wished had made it into the movie, but it was running long as
it was. Ah well. I wouldn't have missed them if I didn't know they
were there. I'm spoiler free for Episode III!!! Plus, the "THX"
theater I saw it at Indianapolis had a blown center channel or
something, because the dialogue was indistinct and muddy throughout.
But, I get to see it DLP next weekend, which should rock.
----
Aron Kerkhof
http://www.neolith.org
Aron Kerkhof
<csstro...@shaw.ca> wrote:
>I'd rather discuss Portman's appearance on Letterman last night. Anyone
>else see 'it?'
Got it on tape. She's cute, funny, and smart too. If I were that
astrophysics major that stuffed myself through that racket, I'd be
trying to hook up.
C.S.Strowbridge
> "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote:
>>I'd rather discuss Portman's appearance on Letterman last night. Anyone
>>else see 'it?'
>
> Got it on tape. She's cute, funny, and smart too.
And that dress she was wearing. Or not wearing, as the case may be.
> If I were that astrophysics major that stuffed myself through that
> racket, I'd be trying to hook up.
I must have missed that part. I only watched the interview. Don't like
Letterman.
C.S.Strowbridge
Aron Kerkhof
<csstro...@shaw.ca> wrote:
> > If I were that astrophysics major that stuffed myself through that
> > racket, I'd be trying to hook up.
>
>I must have missed that part. I only watched the interview. Don't like
>Letterman.
Didn't you hear her referring to the 'cute astrophysicist' that could
'jump through her tennis racket anyday?' It was towards the end of
the interview, and she did that kind of pantomime of juggling and
forcing her head through a hoop? That was hiliarious, but I guess
didn't make much sense if you didn't see the Stupid Human Tricks
segment.
Durandal
So, Portman likes astrophysicists, eh? What a surprise; that's my major. :)
Was she, by chance, referring to Saxton?
Spyder
>
>
>
> You folks are easily amused. Episode 2 is the lamest movie I have seen
> in a very long time!. Bahh STAR WARS! HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA. From my
> perspective it is YOU who are the "total moron(s)"
>
> Tasha
Can I have your phone number?
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I think ROTJ has the most kick ass space battle in the whole series,
maybe even the best space battle ever.
Spyder
<snip>
I agree 100%. I've made plans to see the movie again 10am wednesday, and if
possible I'm planning on seeing it again next weekend. I am going to watch
this movie as many times as possible, and when it comes out on DVD I will be
repeatedly watching it again and again and again.
I know some of the dialogue is cheesy, and one or two things could have been
done better, but was I enjoying the movie? Hell yes! And, in the words of
someone who surely disagrees, that is the only argument that matters.
Spyder
> Actually, privately - I don't want or need your respect. It is not
> important to me. I have the right to express my opinion as anyone else
> has in this great country of ours. Further, you have the right to
> disagree with me, but not the right to attempt to restrict my opinion.
> Once again, you know nothing of my professional competence - if you had,
> maybe you would not be making rash statements. Language is adaptive, so
> is vocabulary. You have to adapt it to your audience. I am sure that
> you do understand this. Please inform your companions, that I never
> made the reference that the U.S. Military could wipe out the Star Wars
> Galaxy. That would be illogical in the extreme. The military is
> reality - Star Wars is fantasy, loosely based in science. The example I
> gave was an analogy between Star Trek and Star Wars. However,
> considering his comments - I am doubtful that he understands it in the
> slightest.
>
> Tasha
*raises eyebrows*
How 'bout it babe?
Graeme Dice
>
> As discussed on my website, I attended the 12:01AM show of Episode II
> last night. Also as discussed on my website, I have correctly assessed
> this film as both magnificent and great, as well as exciting. It seems
> many of our dimmer members, eager to complain about something, don't
> agree.
>
> You are wrong.
I agree. It was definetly a true star wars movie, and the
post-foreshadowing (pre-foreshadowing?) was excellently done. All of
the military technology had an unused and untried feel to it, and was
visually more primitive looking than what came later (earlier) in the
series.
> If you will excuse me, I have to go and enjoy one of my new favorite
> movies. Have fun sitting around complaining about Portman's fruit-bite
> kinematics or whatever.
--
This may come as a shock to that gelatinous mass of decaying
rodent droppings that you call a brain, but I'm not the only
person in the entire world with the first name "Mike".
-- Mike Wong
Wayne Poe
As I sat in the theatre, I kept waiting for THOSE scenes. The scenes which
show that digital filmmaking is inferior to celluloid. The "badly acted"
love scenes, the "embarassing" scenes which the audience laughs at, the
"awful" floating fruit scene, the "despicable" Anakin riding the beast
scene, etc the horrid pacing of the film, especially during the love scenes,
etc.
These must have been absent from the version of the movie I saw. This movie
was incredibly entertaining, very well acted, and exciting throughout.
Digital filmmaking completely trumps celluloid, as far as I'm concerned. The
richness of the color is beyond belief. The oranges of the battle scenes
near the end were mesmerizing, along with the electric blue blaster fire
from the clonetroopers.
I was actually sitting in the theatre cringing, waiting for all the awful
stuff that I've been hearing from the Lucas bashers to materialize on the
screen. It was all for nothing. I liked every moment of this movie. This was
a STAR WARS movie in every respect. I wouldn't change one goddamned thing.
Let's start with the love scenes. They were real, and very human to me.
Anakin is seething with desire that is threatening to tear him apart, and I
found that very real. I found the whole Padme/Anakin romance very real. To
those that have issue with Anakin playing with fruit with the Force, riding
Naboo beasts, clowning around in front of the girl he loves-- get a fucking
life.
C-3P0's scenes were classic C-3P0 scenes. Perhaps the naysayers have to go
back and rewatch the trilogy. I'm not going to bother pointing out any more
falsehoods generated about this movie. Those with their little agendas will
still hate it.
Probably the best underlying aspect of the movie is Palpatine's manipulation
of the entire saga, to the point that he's all but invited to be the
Emperor. Obi-Wan's detective work was a great thread as well. The effects
are seamless, and the sound effects are spectacular-- when Amidala's
"flying wing" flies by the camera, the throaty rumble it made brought a
smile to my face.
"I want to show that Curtis Saxton has been unreasonably attacked by a herd
of scientifically ignorant sheep on spacebattles.com who have given him zero
credit, zero benefit of the doubt, and zero consideration before leaping to
the conclusion that he's an irrational fanboy who pulled numbers out of thin
air, and then spraying that libelous accusation all over a public bulletin
board. I consider that unacceptable, since I communicate with Curtis
regularly and I consider him a friend."
--- Michael Wong
Durandal
> Wayne Poe wrote:
>
>> Let's start with the love scenes. They were real, and very human to
>> me. Anakin is seething with desire that is threatening to tear him
>> apart, and I found that very real.
>
> shouldn't have done that.'
>
> I know that look, hell, I've given that look.
I liked the fact that Anakin was a bumbling idiot when he first saw her
again. "Duh ... more beautiful ... for a senator, I mean." You just know
he's got a little Anakin on his shoulder saying, "You fucking moron." I
was waiting for the Devil Anakin to appear and say, "She took it, now
whip your dick out!"
Contrived love scenes, my ass. Maybe the critics missed that Padme was
trying to remain strictly professional with Anakin, and Anakin was an 18
year old kid with zero experience with the opposite sex on a romantic
level. These two are not Romeo and Juliet, for fuck's sakes. Of course
they'll use stupid cliche love lines! Neither of them have any romantic
experience at all! I don't know about Roger Ebert, but I've said some
pretty sappy, stupid shit to girls over the years, and I wasn't exactly
smooth about it. What standard are they holding Anakin up to? What's he
supposed to do to make them happy? Start reciting romantic poems about a
forbidden love? Fuck that! That's a waste of valuable killing and
exploding time.
--
Damien Sorresso
[AOL IM: durandal64] | [ICQ: 12183859]
http://homepage.mac.com/durandal64
"Gee, you sure there isn't one more peril?"
-My father, after the end of Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the
Ring.
Sir Nitram
>> Wayne Poe wrote:
>>
>>> Let's start with the love scenes. They were real, and very human to
>>> me. Anakin is seething with desire that is threatening to tear him
>>> apart, and I found that very real.
>>
>> I especially like the look Anakin gives just after Padme says, 'I
>> shouldn't have done that.'
>>
>> I know that look, hell, I've given that look.
>
>I liked the fact that Anakin was a bumbling idiot when he first saw her
>again. "Duh ... more beautiful ... for a senator, I mean." You just know
>he's got a little Anakin on his shoulder saying, "You fucking moron." I
>was waiting for the Devil Anakin to appear and say, "She took it, now
>whip your dick out!"
>
>Contrived love scenes, my ass. Maybe the critics missed that Padme was
>trying to remain strictly professional with Anakin, and Anakin was an 18
>year old kid with zero experience with the opposite sex on a romantic
>level. These two are not Romeo and Juliet, for fuck's sakes. Of course
>they'll use stupid cliche love lines! Neither of them have any romantic
>experience at all! I don't know about Roger Ebert, but I've said some
>pretty sappy, stupid shit to girls over the years, and I wasn't exactly
>smooth about it. What standard are they holding Anakin up to? What's he
>supposed to do to make them happy? Start reciting romantic poems about a
>forbidden love? Fuck that! That's a waste of valuable killing and
>exploding time.
Of course, some people don't understand that if you want epic acting and
brilliant love scene dialogue, you need to watch Othello.
--
SirNitram
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Cmdrwilkens
news:3CE89561...@shaw.ca...
> Wayne Poe wrote:
>
> > Let's start with the love scenes. They were real, and very human to me.
> > Anakin is seething with desire that is threatening to tear him apart,
and I
> > found that very real.
>
> shouldn't have done that.'
>
> I know that look, hell, I've given that look.
>
The funny thing is this felt like a first romance, I mean I could see Anakin
making every single mistake a normal person would (moving to fast, moving
too slow, letting too much show, letting not enough show). It was a great
dramatic romance rather than a romantic romance. Portman, despite having a
few liens that could hav been tinkered with and thats a tiny nitpcik, did an
excellent job of portraying someone who has just realizd she is capable of
being in love while at the same time trying like hell to remain committed to
a job which she thinks must be done.
Durandal
> The funny thing is this felt like a first romance, I mean I could see
> Anakin making every single mistake a normal person would (moving to
> fast, moving too slow, letting too much show, letting not enough show).
> It was a great dramatic romance rather than a romantic romance.
> Portman, despite having a few liens that could hav been tinkered with
> and thats a tiny nitpcik, did an excellent job of portraying someone
> who has just realizd she is capable of being in love while at the same
> time trying like hell to remain committed to a job which she thinks
> must be done.
That was the best part. I could relate to Anakin; he wasn't Romeo. If he
was just one smooth mothafucka or had 10 new pickup lines up his sleeve,
it wouldn't have seemed real at all, and the critics would have
criticized it on /that/ basis. The way the critics are acting, Lucas
would have had to cast Samuel L. Jackson as Anakin to make them happy.
C.S.Strowbridge
> "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote:
>>>If I were that astrophysics major that stuffed myself through that
>>>racket, I'd be trying to hook up.
>>
>>I must have missed that part. I only watched the interview. Don't like
>>Letterman.
>
> Didn't you hear her referring to the 'cute astrophysicist' that could
> 'jump through her tennis racket anyday?' It was towards the end of
> the interview, and she did that kind of pantomime of juggling and
> forcing her head through a hoop? That was hiliarious, but I guess
> didn't make much sense if you didn't see the Stupid Human Tricks
> segment.
Usually when I watch TV I'm still at my computer, so I tend to get
distracted. But I think I've seen that trick before.
C.S.Strowbridge
C.S.Strowbridge
> C.S.Strowbridge wrote:
>
>>Wayne Poe wrote:
>>>Let's start with the love scenes. They were real, and very human to
>>>me. Anakin is seething with desire that is threatening to tear him
>>>apart, and I found that very real.
>>
>>I especially like the look Anakin gives just after Padme says, 'I
>>shouldn't have done that.'
>>
>>I know that look, hell, I've given that look.
>
> I liked the fact that Anakin was a bumbling idiot when he first saw her
> again. "Duh ... more beautiful ... for a senator, I mean." You just know
> he's got a little Anakin on his shoulder saying, "You fucking moron."
There's a British comedian called Ben Elton who refers to that guy as,
'The Captain.' I've had more than a few conversations with that bastard.
They usually end up me saying, 'Fuck!'
C.S.Strowbridge
C.S.Strowbridge
> "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote:
>
>>Wayne Poe wrote:
>>>Let's start with the love scenes. They were real, and very human to me.
>>>Anakin is seething with desire that is threatening to tear him apart,
>>>and I found that very real.
>>
>>I especially like the look Anakin gives just after Padme says, 'I
>>shouldn't have done that.'
>>
>>I know that look, hell, I've given that look.
>
> The funny thing is this felt like a first romance,
<SNIP!>
I know. I guess these Hollywood critics are too used to movies and have
forgotten what real life is like.
C.S.Strowbridge
Wayne Poe
"C.S.Strowbridge" <csstro...@shaw.ca> wrote
> Wayne Poe wrote:
>
> > Let's start with the love scenes. They were real, and very human to me.
> > Anakin is seething with desire that is threatening to tear him apart,
and I
> > found that very real.
>
> I especially like the look Anakin gives just after Padme says, 'I
> shouldn't have done that.'
>
> I know that look, hell, I've given that look.
I've been there, too. "WTF?? Didn't I just buy you a fuckin' steak?"
Wayne Poe
"C.S.Strowbridge" <csstro...@shaw.ca> wrote
> Cmdrwilkens wrote:
> > The funny thing is this felt like a first romance,
>
> <SNIP!>
>
> I know. I guess these Hollywood critics are too used to movies and have
> forgotten what real life is like.
Come on, guys; how many of you here has done stupid shit in front of a girl
to impress her? Imagine if Strowbridge had Jedi powers. Do you think he'd
stop with floating fruit?
Dalton
Wayne, why?! Ugh, I won't be able to sleep tonight.
--
Rob "Roby" Dalton
r...@daltonator.net
"Watts and joules are interchangeable."
http://www.galactec.com/timothy/index.php3
Wayne Poe
"Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote
> Wayne Poe wrote:
> > Come on, guys; how many of you here has done stupid shit in front of a
girl
> > to impress her? Imagine if Strowbridge had Jedi powers. Do you think
he'd
> > stop with floating fruit?
>
> Wayne, why?! Ugh, I won't be able to sleep tonight.
That's what R2 D2 room alarms are for! ;)
The Baron
I'd go into town to the city centre and show off the full extent of my
force jumping and acrobatic abilities, then pull out my lightsabre and
do all sorts of cool crap. Of course, if I could change the world so
it was like this for me, then I have the power to conjour up a Sith
opponent for me too, so there I am, in the city centre, hundreds of
people watching, someone with a video camera, Sith approaches me, 'We
meet again, Lowe, now you shall die!' he whips out his lightsaber and
attacks me, and we have a superb fight, which I ultimately win of
course, and then I go shopping.
Dalton
ewwwww
C.S.Strowbridge
> "C.S.Strowbridge" <csstro...@shaw.ca> wrote
>>I especially like the look Anakin gives just after Padme says, 'I
>>shouldn't have done that.'
>>
>>I know that look, hell, I've given that look.
>
> I've been there, too. "WTF?? Didn't I just buy you a fuckin' steak?"
My roommate's going through that crap right now. I'd feel sorry for him
if it weren't so funny.
C.S.Strowbridge
Aron Kerkhof
>> I know that look, hell, I've given that look.
>
>I've been there, too. "WTF?? Didn't I just buy you a fuckin' steak?"
Don't they see that on the menu? Steak always comes with a side order
of dick. Goes double for lobster.
Dalton
>
> On Mon, 20 May 2002 15:52:49 -0700, "Wayne Poe" <lo...@h4h.com> wrote:
>
> >> I know that look, hell, I've given that look.
> >
> >I've been there, too. "WTF?? Didn't I just buy you a fuckin' steak?"
>
> Don't they see that on the menu? Steak always comes with a side order
> of dick. Goes double for lobster.
>
I love this.
Elim Garak
>>
>>>As discussed on my website, I attended the 12:01AM show of Episode II
>>>last night. Also as discussed on my website, I have correctly assessed
>>>this film as both magnificent and great, as well as exciting. It seems
>>>many of our dimmer members, eager to complain about something, don't
>>>agree.
>>>
>>>You are wrong.
>>
>
> I second that.
I was bored out of my brain most of the time. Didn't fall asleep only because
the weapons and tactics were hilarious. At best a total of 30 seconds of combat
in the movie was actually cool - the rest was low grade stuff outclassed by
dozens of other movies.
>>>I have determined that complaints about the romance portion of the
>>>film stem primarily from the lack of a romance portion in the
>>>complainer's lives. This is fine; your bitterness is all you have.
>>>Please recognize, however, that many of us do not share in your mental
>>>illness.
>>
>>C'mon. You've got to admit Anakin's pickup lines were pretty damned
>>bad. :)
>
> That's because Anakin's never dealt with girls on a romantic level
> before. All he's done over the course of ten years was Jedi training
> during the day and wet dreams about Padme at night. Finally confronting
> her, he's a blithering idiot, and that's something that most geeky Star
> Wars fans can relate to.
I got that part - the thing that I didn't get is why the hell Amadila swallowed
all of the lines, hook and sinker? I mean, she is supposed to be around 30,
right? So why the hell does she listen to this genocidal freak?
>>>Also, nitpicky complaints have arisen over the quality of the ground
>>>battle. Individuals who complain that space bombardment of Geonosis
>>>was needed apparently missed the idea of flying in to lift out the
>>>remaining Jedi forces. This is fine. It only means they are both wrong
>>>and stupid. You may continue insistence that the modern U.S. military
>>>would wipe out the Star Wars galaxy with artillery, or whatever.
>>>However, please realize that the rest of us understand the Republic
>>>has been at peace for thousands of years, it is not a good idea to
>>>bombard the people you are trying to rescue, and the entire operation
>>>was thrown together on fairly short notice, as in none.
>>
>>Exactly! They were there to rescue Obi-wan & the other Jedi, capture
>>Dooku, and try to get as much information on the separatists as
>>possible.
>>Glassing the place from orbit would've prevented all those goals.
>
> WAH! I'M WHINEY SB.CM TERKKEI! EPDOISE II CONDRACITS ICS! THRER ARNT
> 200GT TRUBLOASRES! WAH!
ROFL! That's a piece of rationalization if I've ever heard one! Why not just
bombard the areas around the collyseum, thus destroying most of the droid army
and the illegal starships? They were out in the open - just nuke everything in
site *except* for the collyseum.
>>As for the thrown-together ground battle, I thought it went quite
>>well. The clonetroopers were seemingly doing leapfrog advancement,
>>had forward troops, concentrated their firepower, dropping off
>>equipment where it was needed, providing cover fire from aircraft...
>>And, as far as it matters here, the clonetrooper army would crush
>>whatever ground force ST could whip up. :)
>
> Those clone troopers would slaughter Federation ground forces so
> thoroughly that it wouldn't even be funny.
Depends on the ground forces - I think the veterans from the Dominion ground
campaign could take them. At the very least they wouldn't stand up straight and
march into battle squad by squad a la Napoleon era combat.
>>>This was an excellent movie. I thought, for your reference, that
>>>Episode I was only pretty good but below the quality of the later
>>>films. I think E2 can stand toe-to-toe with ANH and ROTJ and is
>>>nipping the heels of ESB. If you disagree, that is fine. You are
>>>allowed to be a total moron.
>>
>>I thought Ep1 was better than RotJ, and AotC's better than Ep1. I'll
>>have to see it again before I decide if it's as good as or better than
>>ANH or ESB.
>
> I don't know about Episode I being better than Jedi, but Clones
> definitely ranks up there with Empire. I don't know which one I like
> better, yet. I'll have to see Clones, again. :)
IMHO it was barely above ST5. I mean, even Scuby Do appears to have more
emotional involvment than this piece of drek.
>>I just -love- how Palpatine's playing all sides against each other
>>just to kill off the Jedi and further his own Imperial ideals. He
>>conned the Trade Federation into invading Naboo, he instigated the
>>creation and activation of the Clone Army, he commands the separatists
>>the clone army was made to fight...
>
> Indeed. His entire plan is a masterpiece, and it works out beautifully,
> even though he had to improvise in Episode I because of the Jedi's
> involvement.
Well, I wouldn't go that far, but it isn't too bad. If you want to hear about
magnificent plans (though not on such a large scale) think of Garak's plan to
draw the Romulans into the Dominion war! There was a plan engeneered to fail on
two fronts, in order to succeed.
>>And, hell, I didn't see Obi-wan's & Anakin's losses at the hands of
>>Tyrannus. With Ep1, Anakin prevails against the odds thanks to the
>>force...but he gets his ass handed to him on a platter (along with his
>>arm) by a Jedi 40 years older.
When he got his arm chopped off I said outloud to myself "Finally!". Damn near
stood up and applauded.
>>Toss in the Death Star, an ass-kicking Yoda, and a psychotic,
>>half-trained, teenage Jedi, and you've got yourself one hell of a
>>movie.
>
> Indeed.
ROFL! I think the most interesting character in the movie this time was the guy
at the diner - at least he showed some jenuine emotion!
The way the movie POV jumped around all the time I alternated between being
mildly curious about what is going to happen to Ben and being mildly nauseus at
the acting and contents of Anakin's "love story".
BTW, I read and noticed something that another guy caught in the movie. Don't
you think it strange that first Amadila in skimpy clothes is chained to a large
phallus shaped object, after which she breaks her chains and mounts it? Freud
would be fascinated.
Phil Skayhan
"Elim Garak" <pol...@u.washington.edu> wrote in message
news:3CE9C327...@u.washington.edu...
<snip stuff that will no doubt be addressed by others>
Hey, what's up?
Just passing through or hanging out for a while?
Elim Garak
>
> Portman, despite having a
> few liens that could hav been tinkered with and thats a tiny nitpcik, did an
> excellent job of portraying someone who has just realizd she is capable of
> being in love while at the same time trying like hell to remain committed to
> a job which she thinks must be done.
Huh? This is the part I found hard to believe. I mean, in the movie she is
supposed to be around 30, right? So why the hell is she acting like she is 15
at best? One would have thought that she has already been through the awkward
teenager age.
Phong Nguyen
She's 24 in the movie, Anakin is 19.
Graeme Dice
So do you know who Mos Eisley is yet Elim?
Why did you even bother going to the theater? You should have known
that your bias would make you unable to enjoy the movie.
Graeme Dice
--
"Now we are all sons of bitches."
— Kenneth Bainbridge (1904-?), US physicist.
After the first atomic test.
Cmdrwilkens
news:3CE9C327...@u.washington.edu...
> Durandal wrote:
> >>
> >>>As discussed on my website, I attended the 12:01AM show of Episode II
> >>>last night. Also as discussed on my website, I have correctly assessed
> >>>this film as both magnificent and great, as well as exciting. It seems
> >>>many of our dimmer members, eager to complain about something, don't
> >>>agree.
> >>>
> >>>You are wrong.
> >>
> >>Hear hear! I just got back from watching it, and I loved it.
> >
> > I second that.
>
> I was bored out of my brain most of the time. Didn't fall asleep only
because
> the weapons and tactics were hilarious. At best a total of 30 seconds of
combat
> in the movie was actually cool - the rest was low grade stuff outclassed
by
> dozens of other movies.
>
Really? Perhaps you could tell me which movies (excepting perhaps Saving
Private Ryan) had better combat?
> >>>I have determined that complaints about the romance portion of the
> >>>film stem primarily from the lack of a romance portion in the
> >>>complainer's lives. This is fine; your bitterness is all you have.
> >>>Please recognize, however, that many of us do not share in your mental
> >>>illness.
> >>
> >>C'mon. You've got to admit Anakin's pickup lines were pretty damned
> >>bad. :)
> >
> > That's because Anakin's never dealt with girls on a romantic level
> > before. All he's done over the course of ten years was Jedi training
> > during the day and wet dreams about Padme at night. Finally confronting
> > her, he's a blithering idiot, and that's something that most geeky Star
> > Wars fans can relate to.
>
> I got that part - the thing that I didn't get is why the hell Amadila
swallowed
> all of the lines, hook and sinker? I mean, she is supposed to be around
30,
> right? So why the hell does she listen to this genocidal freak?
>
She's 24, never been laid, hasn't had a boyfriend since she was 12, and she
probably needs to get some.
> >>>Also, nitpicky complaints have arisen over the quality of the ground
> >>>battle. Individuals who complain that space bombardment of Geonosis
> >>>was needed apparently missed the idea of flying in to lift out the
> >>>remaining Jedi forces. This is fine. It only means they are both wrong
> >>>and stupid. You may continue insistence that the modern U.S. military
> >>>would wipe out the Star Wars galaxy with artillery, or whatever.
> >>>However, please realize that the rest of us understand the Republic
> >>>has been at peace for thousands of years, it is not a good idea to
> >>>bombard the people you are trying to rescue, and the entire operation
> >>>was thrown together on fairly short notice, as in none.
> >>
> >>Exactly! They were there to rescue Obi-wan & the other Jedi, capture
> >>Dooku, and try to get as much information on the separatists as
> >>possible.
> >>Glassing the place from orbit would've prevented all those goals.
> >
> > WAH! I'M WHINEY SB.CM TERKKEI! EPDOISE II CONDRACITS ICS! THRER ARNT
> > 200GT TRUBLOASRES! WAH!
>
> ROFL! That's a piece of rationalization if I've ever heard one! Why not
just
> bombard the areas around the collyseum, thus destroying most of the droid
army
> and the illegal starships? They were out in the open - just nuke
everything in
> site *except* for the collyseum.
>
You missed the whole underground thing, or the whole in the TradeFed ships
thing or the whole Jedi who were being saved in the collesium thing. You do
realize what the likelyhood of engaging point targets with 200 GT weapons is
right?
> >>As for the thrown-together ground battle, I thought it went quite
> >>well. The clonetroopers were seemingly doing leapfrog advancement,
> >>had forward troops, concentrated their firepower, dropping off
> >>equipment where it was needed, providing cover fire from aircraft...
> >>And, as far as it matters here, the clonetrooper army would crush
> >>whatever ground force ST could whip up. :)
> >
> > Those clone troopers would slaughter Federation ground forces so
> > thoroughly that it wouldn't even be funny.
>
> Depends on the ground forces - I think the veterans from the Dominion
ground
> campaign could take them. At the very least they wouldn't stand up
straight and > march into battle squad by squad a la Napoleon era combat.
Yet the Feds have no air support, no heavy armor, no personal protective
gear, etc. I could defeat the entire Federation ground forces with a single
MEU.
>
> >>>This was an excellent movie. I thought, for your reference, that
> >>>Episode I was only pretty good but below the quality of the later
> >>>films. I think E2 can stand toe-to-toe with ANH and ROTJ and is
> >>>nipping the heels of ESB. If you disagree, that is fine. You are
> >>>allowed to be a total moron.
> >>
> >>I thought Ep1 was better than RotJ, and AotC's better than Ep1. I'll
> >>have to see it again before I decide if it's as good as or better than
> >>ANH or ESB.
> >
> > I don't know about Episode I being better than Jedi, but Clones
> > definitely ranks up there with Empire. I don't know which one I like
> > better, yet. I'll have to see Clones, again. :)
>
> IMHO it was barely above ST5. I mean, even Scuby Do appears to have more
> emotional involvment than this piece of drek.
>
You're entilted to your own delusions, perhaps you smoked one too many
Scooby Snacks.
> >>I just -love- how Palpatine's playing all sides against each other
> >>just to kill off the Jedi and further his own Imperial ideals. He
> >>conned the Trade Federation into invading Naboo, he instigated the
> >>creation and activation of the Clone Army, he commands the separatists
> >>the clone army was made to fight...
> >
> > Indeed. His entire plan is a masterpiece, and it works out beautifully,
> > even though he had to improvise in Episode I because of the Jedi's
> > involvement.
>
> Well, I wouldn't go that far, but it isn't too bad. If you want to hear
about
> magnificent plans (though not on such a large scale) think of Garak's plan
to
> draw the Romulans into the Dominion war! There was a plan engeneered to
fail on
> two fronts, in order to succeed.
>
You idiot, Palpatine had to control the Jedi, Amidala, the Senate, the
general populace, and the Trade Federation etc. He rose from backworld
obscurity to ruler of the galaxy in a matter of a few decades, that's a bit
more of an accomplishment than getting someone to engage in revenge warfare.
> >>And, hell, I didn't see Obi-wan's & Anakin's losses at the hands of
> >>Tyrannus. With Ep1, Anakin prevails against the odds thanks to the
> >>force...but he gets his ass handed to him on a platter (along with his
> >>arm) by a Jedi 40 years older.
>
> When he got his arm chopped off I said outloud to myself "Finally!". Damn
near
> stood up and applauded.
>
> >>Toss in the Death Star, an ass-kicking Yoda, and a psychotic,
> >>half-trained, teenage Jedi, and you've got yourself one hell of a
> >>movie.
> >
> > Indeed.
>
> ROFL! I think the most interesting character in the movie this time was
the guy
> at the diner - at least he showed some jenuine emotion!
>
> The way the movie POV jumped around all the time I alternated between
being > mildly curious about what is going to happen to Ben and being mildly
nauseus at > the acting and contents of Anakin's "love story".
>
> BTW, I read and noticed something that another guy caught in the movie.
Don't
> you think it strange that first Amadila in skimpy clothes is chained to a
large
> phallus shaped object, after which she breaks her chains and mounts it?
Freud
> would be fascinated.
>
I am fascinated also...that you are still around to be mocked.
Elim Garak
??? What moron elected her queen at 16?!?!?!?!? Jeez - George can't keep
continuity straight even between Episode 1 and 2!!!
Elim Garak
> Elim Garak wrote:
>
>>Cmdrwilkens wrote:
>>
>>>Portman, despite having a
>>>few liens that could hav been tinkered with and thats a tiny nitpcik, did an
>>>excellent job of portraying someone who has just realizd she is capable of
>>>being in love while at the same time trying like hell to remain committed to
>>>a job which she thinks must be done.
>>
>>Huh? This is the part I found hard to believe. I mean, in the movie she is
>>supposed to be around 30, right? So why the hell is she acting like she is 15
>>at best? One would have thought that she has already been through the awkward
>>teenager age.
>
> So do you know who Mos Eisley is yet Elim?
Nope. Never met the guy.
> Why did you even bother going to the theater? You should have known
> that your bias would make you unable to enjoy the movie.
I don't think it is bias - just because I don't automatically salivate at the
sight of everything with the words "Star Wars" on it, does not mean that I am
biased. Besides, I am not the only one who doesn't like the movie. Check it
out - it didn't do so hot in the box office either. Besides, a bunch of movie
critics agree with me.
Elim Garak
Going to try to stick around this time. I'm bored and came here to make fun of
Episode 2. :P
Elim Garak
>>>I second that.
>>
>>I was bored out of my brain most of the time. Didn't fall asleep only
>> because
>>the weapons and tactics were hilarious. At best a total of 30 seconds of
>> combat
>>in the movie was actually cool - the rest was low grade stuff outclassed
>> by
>>dozens of other movies.
>
> Really? Perhaps you could tell me which movies (excepting perhaps Saving
> Private Ryan) had better combat?
Better combat by which criteria? TPM had a much more artistic and fascinating
battle with light sabers (except for Yoda - for all of his 10 seconds).
"Starship Troopers" had a lot more interesting space battle - more panoramic,
more exciting, showing much more of the situation, etc. "The Matrix" had MUCH
better hand to hand and weapon combat. "Space Oddysey" had 100 times better
space scenes, period. Any Jacky Chan movie has exquisite coordination and
action scenes - especially compared to this crapola. "Gladiator" had a lot
better mass combat. Etc.
In generaly, combat scenes are judged not only by the quality of special
effects, although they too are very important, but by the story they tell and
emotional reverbrations that they produce in the viewer. Most if not all of the
combat scenes in this movie left me cold - mainly because I didn't give a damn
about any of the characters. Oy, look at the idiot boy fighting the guy with
the weird name. I cheered when he cut off Anakin's hand (well, said to myself
"Finally!" - outloud). Because I disliked the main "protagonist" of this
battle, and didn't even care about the antagonist enough to want him to win or
loose.
>>>That's because Anakin's never dealt with girls on a romantic level
>>>before. All he's done over the course of ten years was Jedi training
>>>during the day and wet dreams about Padme at night. Finally confronting
>>>her, he's a blithering idiot, and that's something that most geeky Star
>>>Wars fans can relate to.
>>
>>I got that part - the thing that I didn't get is why the hell Amadila
>> swallowed
>
>>all of the lines, hook and sinker? I mean, she is supposed to be around
>> 30,
>>right? So why the hell does she listen to this genocidal freak?
>
> She's 24, never been laid, hasn't had a boyfriend since she was 12, and she
> probably needs to get some.
So what idiot elected her queen at 16? Are you sure that's Earth years?
>>>WAH! I'M WHINEY SB.CM TERKKEI! EPDOISE II CONDRACITS ICS! THRER ARNT
>>>200GT TRUBLOASRES! WAH!
>>
>>ROFL! That's a piece of rationalization if I've ever heard one! Why not
>> just
>>bombard the areas around the collyseum, thus destroying most of the droid
>> army
>>and the illegal starships? They were out in the open - just nuke
>> everything in
>>site *except* for the collyseum.
>
> You missed the whole underground thing, or the whole in the TradeFed ships
> thing or the whole Jedi who were being saved in the collesium thing.
None of the above.
> You do
> realize what the likelyhood of engaging point targets with 200 GT weapons is
> right?
Well, IF they truly are 200 GT, of which I saw ZERO evidence in the movie
despite what the books say, IF the Jedi fleet had no other weapons (which is
frankly idiotic), and IF they had no way to step down the power of their
weapons, then yes, I guess it makes sense. Please note the sarcasm and the big
if's.
>>>Those clone troopers would slaughter Federation ground forces so
>>>thoroughly that it wouldn't even be funny.
>>
>>Depends on the ground forces - I think the veterans from the Dominion
>> ground
>>campaign could take them. At the very least they wouldn't stand up
>> straight and > march into battle squad by squad a la Napoleon era combat.
>
> Yet the Feds have no air support,
Why not? While we have not seen any dedicated attack craft, all of their
shuttles and even small ships are quite modular and can be quickly configured
for support roles. Besides, ST starships can serve the same role - either by
getting close to the ground, or just firing from orbit with pinpoint accuracy
(as in within 10-20 cm of the target).
> no heavy armor,
With good reason - that SW heavy armor is crap. It doesn't have enough
firepower to justify the expendature of materials, enough speed to stay out of
the enemy's sights, and is so large that everyone within several hundred KM can
hit it in a second. Read "Gust Front" by John Ringo to find out why it is a BAD
idea to make SW type walkers.
> no personal protective
> gear,
Hmm... Could you tell me then, why did plate armor go out of style by the
18th-19th century?
> etc. I could defeat the entire Federation ground forces with a single
> MEU.
MEU?
>>>I don't know about Episode I being better than Jedi, but Clones
>>>definitely ranks up there with Empire. I don't know which one I like
>>>better, yet. I'll have to see Clones, again. :)
>>
>>IMHO it was barely above ST5. I mean, even Scuby Do appears to have more
>>emotional involvment than this piece of drek.
>
> You're entilted to your own delusions, perhaps you smoked one too many
> Scooby Snacks.
I don't smoke.
>>>Indeed. His entire plan is a masterpiece, and it works out beautifully,
>>>even though he had to improvise in Episode I because of the Jedi's
>>>involvement.
>>
>>Well, I wouldn't go that far, but it isn't too bad. If you want to hear
>> about
>>magnificent plans (though not on such a large scale) think of Garak's plan
>> to
>>draw the Romulans into the Dominion war! There was a plan engeneered to
>> fail on
>>two fronts, in order to succeed.
>
> You idiot, Palpatine had to control the Jedi, Amidala, the Senate, the
> general populace, and the Trade Federation etc. He rose from backworld
> obscurity to ruler of the galaxy in a matter of a few decades, that's a bit
> more of an accomplishment than getting someone to engage in revenge warfare.
Nope. I disagree. It is all a matter of the number of variables and goals.
There were far more variables in Garak's equation than in Palpatine's. Think
about it - Palpatine had one large goal - to become the ruler, etc. For that he
had to achieve several things, in steps.
Step 1 - become Chancellor or whatever it is called.
Step 2 - get extraordinary powers assigned to himself.
To achieve step 1 he had to find somebody to nominate him, and a reason for
that. To do that he needed to show the current chancellor to be incompetent.
To do that he had to create a crisis. There were only a couple of players in
the game large enough to threaten the planet, etc. In other words, one problem
flows naturaly into the other, because of quite a few bottlenecks in the DAG.
>>>Indeed.
>>
>>ROFL! I think the most interesting character in the movie this time was
>> the guy
>>at the diner - at least he showed some jenuine emotion!
>>
>>The way the movie POV jumped around all the time I alternated between
>
> being > mildly curious about what is going to happen to Ben and being mildly
> nauseus at > the acting and contents of Anakin's "love story".
>>BTW, I read and noticed something that another guy caught in the movie.
>> Don't
>>you think it strange that first Amadila in skimpy clothes is chained to a
>>large
>>phallus shaped object, after which she breaks her chains and mounts it?
>> Freud
>>would be fascinated.
>
> I am fascinated also...that you are still around to be mocked.
You are fascinated by the fact that I don't give a damn about the mockery of
hypocritic crack addicts with the intelligence of a frog like you?
Iceberg
<pol...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
Now I remember why I despise you. Begone, troll!
-- Ice
DRAGON SLAAAAAAAAAAAAAVE!
Graeme Dice
>
> Cmdrwilkens wrote:
>
> >>>I second that.
> >>
> >>I was bored out of my brain most of the time. Didn't fall asleep only
> >> because
> >>the weapons and tactics were hilarious. At best a total of 30 seconds of
> >> combat
> >>in the movie was actually cool - the rest was low grade stuff outclassed
> >> by
> >>dozens of other movies.
> >
> > Really? Perhaps you could tell me which movies (excepting perhaps Saving
> > Private Ryan) had better combat?
>
> Better combat by which criteria? TPM had a much more artistic and fascinating
> battle with light sabers (except for Yoda - for all of his 10 seconds).
> "Starship Troopers" had a lot more interesting space battle - more panoramic,
> more exciting, showing much more of the situation, etc.
Starship troopers had no starship battle. They had a transport scene.
> "The Matrix" had MUCH
> better hand to hand and weapon combat.
No, the Matrix had computer generated blur effects to give the illusion
of speed.
>"Space Oddysey" had 100 times better
> space scenes, period. Any Jacky Chan movie has exquisite coordination and
> action scenes - especially compared to this crapola. "Gladiator" had a lot
> better mass combat. Etc.
Gladiator's mass combat scene lasted for less than five minutes. AOTC's
for over 10.
> In generaly, combat scenes are judged not only by the quality of special
> effects, although they too are very important, but by the story they tell and
> emotional reverbrations that they produce in the viewer. Most if not all of the
> combat scenes in this movie left me cold - mainly because I didn't give a damn
> about any of the characters. Oy, look at the idiot boy fighting the guy with
> the weird name. I cheered when he cut off Anakin's hand (well, said to myself
> "Finally!" - outloud). Because I disliked the main "protagonist" of this
> battle, and didn't even care about the antagonist enough to want him to win or
> loose.
Well of course, but that's only because you haven't bothered to watch
any of the Star Wars movies for any reason other than to pick them
apart.
> > You missed the whole underground thing, or the whole in the TradeFed ships
> > thing or the whole Jedi who were being saved in the collesium thing.
>
> None of the above.
Since when do Jedi destroy entire cities of innocents from orbit?
> > You do
> > realize what the likelyhood of engaging point targets with 200 GT weapons is
> > right?
>
> Well, IF they truly are 200 GT, of which I saw ZERO evidence in the movie
> despite what the books say, IF the Jedi fleet had no other weapons (which is
> frankly idiotic), and IF they had no way to step down the power of their
> weapons, then yes, I guess it makes sense. Please note the sarcasm and the big
> if's.
Please note that it is official evidence and thus I don't care what you
thin about it.
> >>>Those clone troopers would slaughter Federation ground forces so
> >>>thoroughly that it wouldn't even be funny.
> >>
> >>Depends on the ground forces - I think the veterans from the Dominion
> >> ground
> >>campaign could take them. At the very least they wouldn't stand up
> >> straight and > march into battle squad by squad a la Napoleon era combat.
> >
> > Yet the Feds have no air support,
>
> Why not? While we have not seen any dedicated attack craft, all of their
> shuttles and even small ships are quite modular and can be quickly configured
> for support roles. Besides, ST starships can serve the same role - either by
> getting close to the ground, or just firing from orbit with pinpoint accuracy
> (as in within 10-20 cm of the target).
Are you seriously suggesting that Star Trek has shown similar ground
combat capabilities?
> > no heavy armor,
>
> With good reason - that SW heavy armor is crap. It doesn't have enough
> firepower to justify the expendature of materials, enough speed to stay out of
> the enemy's sights, and is so large that everyone within several hundred KM can
> hit it in a second. Read "Gust Front" by John Ringo to find out why it is a BAD
> idea to make SW type walkers.
That is not ST.
> > no personal protective
> > gear,
>
> Hmm... Could you tell me then, why did plate armor go out of style by the
> 18th-19th century?
Because it had to be made too heavy to both stop musket balls and be
able to move in it.
> > I am fascinated also...that you are still around to be mocked.
>
> You are fascinated by the fact that I don't give a damn about the mockery of
> hypocritic crack addicts with the intelligence of a frog like you?
He's not the one that thinks there's more than one wave equation.
Graeme Dice
--
The personal computer market is about the same size as the
total potato chip market. Next year it will be about half
the size of the pet food market and is fast approaching
the total worldwide sales of panty hose.
-- James Finke, President, Commodore International Ltd. (1982)
Graeme Dice
She was 16 in the first movie.
Graeme Dice
--
"An expert is a man who has made all the mistakes which can be
made in a very narrow field." — Niels Bohr (1885-1962)
Graeme Dice
Elim Garak wrote:
>
> Graeme Dice wrote:
> > Elim Garak wrote:
<snip>
> > So do you know who Mos Eisley is yet Elim?
>
> Nope. Never met the guy.
So you still think he's a person then? Glad to know that.
> > Why did you even bother going to the theater? You should have known
> > that your bias would make you unable to enjoy the movie.
>
> I don't think it is bias
I do. Your bias against Star Wars has always been pathetically obvious
on this group.
>- just because I don't automatically salivate at the
> sight of everything with the words "Star Wars" on it, does not mean that I am
> biased.
No, but the fact that you automatically assume SW = inferior does make
you biased.
>Besides, I am not the only one who doesn't like the movie. Check it
> out - it didn't do so hot in the box office either.
You are a liar. It's the second fastest 100 million dollar movie ever.
Over 4 days, it has made $110,169,231
> Besides, a bunch of movie
> critics agree with me.
Less than half, and those who don't like it are either just as biased as
you (Ebert because it's digital film.), or are simply jealous of Lucas'
commercial success.
Graeme Dice
--
Invalid thought detected. Close all mental processes and restart
body.
The Baron
<grd...@sk.sympatico.ca> wrote:
>Elim Garak wrote:
>>
>> Phong Nguyen wrote:
>> > Elim Garak <pol...@u.washington.edu> wrote in
>> > news:3CE9C77D...@u.washington.edu:
>> >
>> >
>> >>Cmdrwilkens wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>Portman, despite having a
>> >>>few liens that could hav been tinkered with and thats a tiny nitpcik,
>> >>>did an excellent job of portraying someone who has just realizd she
>> >>>is capable of being in love while at the same time trying like hell
>> >>>to remain committed to a job which she thinks must be done.
>> >>
>> >>Huh? This is the part I found hard to believe. I mean, in the movie
>> >>she is supposed to be around 30, right? So why the hell is she acting
>> >>like she is 15 at best? One would have thought that she has already
>> >>been through the awkward teenager age.
>> >
>> > She's 24 in the movie, Anakin is 19.
>>
>> ??? What moron elected her queen at 16?!?!?!?!? Jeez - George can't keep
>> continuity straight even between Episode 1 and 2!!!
>
>She was 16 in the first movie.
Well, I assume you mean 14:p
John Hansen
as <3CE9F7AC...@u.washington.edu>) on Tue, 21 May 2002 00:30:52 -0700...
>>>>That's because Anakin's never dealt with girls on a romantic level
>>>>before. All he's done over the course of ten years was Jedi training
>>>>during the day and wet dreams about Padme at night. Finally confronting
>>>>her, he's a blithering idiot, and that's something that most geeky Star
>>>>Wars fans can relate to.
>>>
>>>I got that part - the thing that I didn't get is why the hell Amadila
>>> swallowed
>>
>>>all of the lines, hook and sinker? I mean, she is supposed to be around
>>> 30,
>>>right? So why the hell does she listen to this genocidal freak?
>>
>> She's 24, never been laid, hasn't had a boyfriend since she was 12, and she
>> probably needs to get some.
>
>So what idiot elected her queen at 16? Are you sure that's Earth years?
She was elected queen at 14. Apparently there was some chaos surrounding the
death of the previous king.
Hey, Naboo elected Jar-Jar Binks as their (backup) Senator... what more can you
say? According to StarWars.com, they often elect people for their simplicity...
>>>
>>>Depends on the ground forces - I think the veterans from the Dominion
>>> ground
>>>campaign could take them. At the very least they wouldn't stand up
>>> straight and > march into battle squad by squad a la Napoleon era combat.
>>
>> Yet the Feds have no air support,
>
>Why not? While we have not seen any dedicated attack craft, all of their
>shuttles and even small ships are quite modular and can be quickly configured
>for support roles. Besides, ST starships can serve the same role - either by
>getting close to the ground, or just firing from orbit with pinpoint accuracy
>(as in within 10-20 cm of the target).
Oh, that must be why Voyager was afraid of the United States Air Force in
VOY:Future's End.
>> no heavy armor,
>
>With good reason - that SW heavy armor is crap. It doesn't have enough
>firepower to justify the expendature of materials, enough speed to stay out of
>the enemy's sights, and is so large that everyone within several hundred KM can
>hit it in a second. Read "Gust Front" by John Ringo to find out why it is a BAD
>idea to make SW type walkers.
And they don't have just walkers. They have hovertanks, crawlers, and other
manner of equipment. Remember the MTTs from Phantom Menace? How they were
ramming through the swamp at high speed, just casually shoving trees out of
their way? Show me a modern tank that can do that.
>> no personal protective
>> gear,
>
>Hmm... Could you tell me then, why did plate armor go out of style by the
>18th-19th century?
Are you saying that pajamas are better?
Hey-wake up. Clonetrooper armor is more of a battlefield environment suit than
plate armor. Plate armor had a lot of holes. Clonetrooper armor is SEALED.
In other words, you can't gas them very easily, which is a GOOD thing. Remember
how the Trade Federation Viceroy tried to use gas to eliminate the Jedi in TPM?
>>>>I don't know about Episode I being better than Jedi, but Clones
>>>>definitely ranks up there with Empire. I don't know which one I like
>>>>better, yet. I'll have to see Clones, again. :)
>>>
>>>IMHO it was barely above ST5. I mean, even Scuby Do appears to have more
>>>emotional involvment than this piece of drek.
>>
>> You're entilted to your own delusions, perhaps you smoked one too many
>> Scooby Snacks.
>
>I don't smoke.
(You missed the reference.)
Phong Nguyen
She was elected at 14, Elim. IIRC, her backers figured that they could
manipulate her due to her young age.
Durandal
> Durandal wrote:
>>>
>>>>As discussed on my website, I attended the 12:01AM show of Episode
>>>>II last night. Also as discussed on my website, I have correctly
>>>>assessed this film as both magnificent and great, as well as
>>>>exciting. It seems many of our dimmer members, eager to complain
>>>>about something, don't agree. You are wrong.
>>>
>>>Hear hear! I just got back from watching it, and I loved it.
>>
>> I second that.
>
> I was bored out of my brain most of the time. Didn't fall asleep only
> because the weapons and tactics were hilarious. At best a total of
> 30 seconds of combat in the movie was actually cool - the rest was
> low grade stuff outclassed by dozens of other movies.
Hilarious because you didn't have the clonetroopers in their PJ's, no
doubt. Star Trek is the baseline for all scifi ground combat.
>> That's because Anakin's never dealt with girls on a romantic level
>> before. All he's done over the course of ten years was Jedi training
>> during the day and wet dreams about Padme at night. Finally
>> confronting her, he's a blithering idiot, and that's something that
>> most geeky Star Wars fans can relate to.
>
> I got that part - the thing that I didn't get is why the hell Amadila
> swallowed all of the lines, hook and sinker? I mean, she is supposed
> to be around 30, right? So why the hell does she listen to this
> genocidal freak?
She hasn't been kissed since she was 12, and she's never gotten laid,
and she's spent her entire life in politics. Her causal dismissal of
Anakin's mass-murdering rampage was curious, but I suppose that she
could have either refused to believe it or that Anakin was
subconsciously influencing her with the Force.
>> WAH! I'M WHINEY SB.CM TERKKEI! EPDOISE II CONDRACITS ICS! THRER ARNT
>> 200GT TRUBLOASRES! WAH!
>
> ROFL! That's a piece of rationalization if I've ever heard one! Why
> not just bombard the areas around the collyseum, thus destroying most
> of the droid army and the illegal starships? They were out in the
> open - just nuke everything in site *except* for the collyseum.
Why not kill a Jedi Master, his Padawan learner who has been spoken of
in prophecy and a leading senator in the Republic? Are you completely
braindead?
>>>As for the thrown-together ground battle, I thought it went quite
>>>well. The clonetroopers were seemingly doing leapfrog advancement,
>>>had forward troops, concentrated their firepower, dropping off
>>>equipment where it was needed, providing cover fire from aircraft...
>>>And, as far as it matters here, the clonetrooper army would crush
>>>whatever ground force ST could whip up. :)
>>
>> Those clone troopers would slaughter Federation ground forces so
>> thoroughly that it wouldn't even be funny.
>
> Depends on the ground forces - I think the veterans from the Dominion
> ground campaign could take them. At the very least they wouldn't
> stand up straight and march into battle squad by squad a la Napoleon
> era combat.
ROTFLMAO! The clonetroopers were brutally efficient killing machines.
They had artillery, armor support and heavy weapons. They would easily
slaughter any ST ground force.
>>>>This was an excellent movie. I thought, for your reference, that
>>>>Episode I was only pretty good but below the quality of the later
>>>>films. I think E2 can stand toe-to-toe with ANH and ROTJ and is
>>>>nipping the heels of ESB. If you disagree, that is fine. You are
>>>>allowed to be a total moron.
>>>
>>>I thought Ep1 was better than RotJ, and AotC's better than Ep1. I'll
>>>have to see it again before I decide if it's as good as or better
>>>than ANH or ESB.
>>
>> I don't know about Episode I being better than Jedi, but Clones
>> definitely ranks up there with Empire. I don't know which one I like
>> better, yet. I'll have to see Clones, again. :)
>
> IMHO it was barely above ST5. I mean, even Scuby Do appears to have
> more emotional involvment than this piece of drek.
In my honest opinion, you're a jackass who needs to be shown the
wonderful sights of the Kennedy Expressway from the middle of the road
during peak traffic hours. And, it's spelled "Scooby Doo" for fuck's
sake.
>> Indeed. His entire plan is a masterpiece, and it works out
>> beautifully, even though he had to improvise in Episode I because of
>> the Jedi's involvement.
>
> Well, I wouldn't go that far, but it isn't too bad. If you want to
> hear about magnificent plans (though not on such a large scale) think
> of Garak's plan to draw the Romulans into the Dominion war! There
> was a plan engeneered to fail on two fronts, in order to succeed.
Palpatine orchestrated an entire invasion to get himself on the supreme
chancellor seat, even though it didn't go as he originally planned. He
then orchestrated an entire war and managed to get the entire galaxy to
accept him as emperor, even after dissolving the Imperial Senate. Garak
got the Romulans to join a war they would have had to get involved in at
some point anyway. I'm not impressed.
>>>And, hell, I didn't see Obi-wan's & Anakin's losses at the hands of
>>>Tyrannus. With Ep1, Anakin prevails against the odds thanks to the
>>>force...but he gets his ass handed to him on a platter (along with
>>>his arm) by a Jedi 40 years older.
>
> When he got his arm chopped off I said outloud to myself "Finally!".
> Damn near stood up and applauded.
Just shut up.
>>>Toss in the Death Star, an ass-kicking Yoda, and a psychotic,
>>>half-trained, teenage Jedi, and you've got yourself one hell of a
>>>movie.
>>
>> Indeed.
>
> ROFL! I think the most interesting character in the movie this time
> was the guy at the diner - at least he showed some jenuine emotion!
Learn how to use a spell checker.
> The way the movie POV jumped around all the time I alternated between
> being mildly curious about what is going to happen to Ben and being
> mildly nauseus at the acting and contents of Anakin's "love story".
>
> BTW, I read and noticed something that another guy caught in the movie.
> Don't you think it strange that first Amadila in skimpy clothes is
> chained to a large phallus shaped object, after which she breaks her
> chains and mounts it? Freud would be fascinated.
You see what you like to see, little man.
--
Damien Sorresso
[AOL IM: durandal64] | [ICQ: 12183859]
http://homepage.mac.com/durandal64
"Gee, you sure there isn't one more peril?"
-My father, after the end of Lord of the Rings: The Fellowship of the
Ring.
The Baron
wrote:
I thought that all Naboo queens were elected at a young age, served 2
years then a new one was elected.
Robert Williams
Hello, Mr.micropenis.
Ron
Robert Williams
> Cmdrwilkens wrote:
> >
> > Portman, despite having a
> > few liens that could hav been tinkered with and thats a tiny nitpcik,
did an
> > excellent job of portraying someone who has just realizd she is capable
of
> > being in love while at the same time trying like hell to remain
committed to
> > a job which she thinks must be done.
>
> Huh? This is the part I found hard to believe. I mean, in the movie she
is
> supposed to be around 30, right?
No, she is 24.
Rob
Phong Nguyen
@news.freeserve.co.uk:
Not neccessarily. They serve for two terms maximum (I think of four
years, but I could be mistaken), after which a new one is elected.
Dalton
Well, you're useless aren't ya?
C.S.Strowbridge
> Elim Garak wrote:
>>>Just passing through or hanging out for a while?
>>
>>Going to try to stick around this time. I'm bored and came here to make fun of
>>Episode 2. :P
>
> Well, you're useless aren't ya?
Can't wait till Star Trek X comes out. It'll be fun to see Elim's,
Tasha's and Marc's reactions to that. Of course, there's almost no way
in hell they'll all be here then.
C.S.Strowbridge
Dalton
STX release date: December 13
The Two Towers release date: December 18
Uh-oh...
Elim Garak
>>>Really? Perhaps you could tell me which movies (excepting perhaps Saving
>>>Private Ryan) had better combat?
>>
>>Better combat by which criteria? TPM had a much more artistic and fascinating
>>battle with light sabers (except for Yoda - for all of his 10 seconds).
>>"Starship Troopers" had a lot more interesting space battle - more panoramic,
>>more exciting, showing much more of the situation, etc.
>
> Starship troopers had no starship battle. They had a transport scene.
Same difference.
>> "The Matrix" had MUCH
>>better hand to hand and weapon combat.
>
> No, the Matrix had computer generated blur effects to give the illusion
> of speed.
Yes, I know, I watched it too. The point is that it looked a lot better and
more exciting.
>>"Space Oddysey" had 100 times better
>>space scenes, period. Any Jacky Chan movie has exquisite coordination and
>>action scenes - especially compared to this crapola. "Gladiator" had a lot
>>better mass combat. Etc.
>
> Gladiator's mass combat scene lasted for less than five minutes. AOTC's
> for over 10.
And yet I liked Gladiator's combat more.
>>In generaly, combat scenes are judged not only by the quality of special
>>effects, although they too are very important, but by the story they tell and
>>emotional reverbrations that they produce in the viewer. Most if not all of the
>>combat scenes in this movie left me cold - mainly because I didn't give a damn
>>about any of the characters. Oy, look at the idiot boy fighting the guy with
>>the weird name. I cheered when he cut off Anakin's hand (well, said to myself
>>"Finally!" - outloud). Because I disliked the main "protagonist" of this
>>battle, and didn't even care about the antagonist enough to want him to win or
>>loose.
>
> Well of course, but that's only because you haven't bothered to watch
> any of the Star Wars movies for any reason other than to pick them
> apart.
That's a good theory, but it does not explain why so many critics also don't
like this movie. Or why it has grossed over the weekend less than Spiderman.
>>>You missed the whole underground thing, or the whole in the TradeFed ships
>>>thing or the whole Jedi who were being saved in the collesium thing.
>>
>>None of the above.
>
> Since when do Jedi destroy entire cities of innocents from orbit?
Since when do Jedi lead armies? Besides, the shots did not have to be nuclear
level.
>> > You do
>>
>>>realize what the likelyhood of engaging point targets with 200 GT weapons is
>>>right?
>>
>>Well, IF they truly are 200 GT, of which I saw ZERO evidence in the movie
>>despite what the books say, IF the Jedi fleet had no other weapons (which is
>>frankly idiotic), and IF they had no way to step down the power of their
>>weapons, then yes, I guess it makes sense. Please note the sarcasm and the big
>>if's.
>
> Please note that it is official evidence and thus I don't care what you
> thin about it.
Well, first of all, I don't "thin". I am already thin enough. :P
Second, if the movies counterdict the official evidence, then it goes out the
window. Didn't the MF had quad laser turrets. And methinks that they did not
vaporize the TIEs with extreme prejidice.
Furthermore, are you sure you want to clain that the Jedi fleet had no other
weapons, or a way to step down their power?
>>>Yet the Feds have no air support,
>>
>>Why not? While we have not seen any dedicated attack craft, all of their
>>shuttles and even small ships are quite modular and can be quickly configured
>>for support roles. Besides, ST starships can serve the same role - either by
>>getting close to the ground, or just firing from orbit with pinpoint accuracy
>>(as in within 10-20 cm of the target).
>
> Are you seriously suggesting that Star Trek has shown similar ground
> combat capabilities?
Nope. We saw pitifully little ST ground combat. I am suggesting that ST
already has equipment that can do equivalent things or more.
>>>no heavy armor,
>>
>>With good reason - that SW heavy armor is crap. It doesn't have enough
>>firepower to justify the expendature of materials, enough speed to stay out of
>>the enemy's sights, and is so large that everyone within several hundred KM can
>>hit it in a second. Read "Gust Front" by John Ringo to find out why it is a BAD
>>idea to make SW type walkers.
>
> That is not ST.
You noticed, huh? I know it is not ST - but it has the explanation of why AT-AT
walkers are a BAD idea.
>>>no personal protective
>>>gear,
>>
>>Hmm... Could you tell me then, why did plate armor go out of style by the
>>18th-19th century?
>
> Because it had to be made too heavy to both stop musket balls and be
> able to move in it.
Yup. I have yet to see any evidence that stormie or clone armor can stop any
blaster bolts - even from a sports blaster.
>>>I am fascinated also...that you are still around to be mocked.
>>
>>You are fascinated by the fact that I don't give a damn about the mockery of
>>hypocritic crack addicts with the intelligence of a frog like you?
>
> He's not the one that thinks there's more than one wave equation.
??? I don't remember that. What do you mean by "wave equation"?
Elim Garak
> On Tue, 21 May 2002 00:30:52 -0700, Elim Garak
> <pol...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>
> Now I remember why I despise you. Begone, troll!
You mean it is nto because I beat your pants off in that metal-alloy thing?
Elim Garak
>>>She's 24 in the movie, Anakin is 19.
>>
>>??? What moron elected her queen at 16?!?!?!?!? Jeez - George can't keep
>>continuity straight even between Episode 1 and 2!!!
>
> She was 16 in the first movie.
My question stands - what idiot elected her queen at 16?
C.S.Strowbridge
> "C.S.Strowbridge" wrote:
>
>>Dalton wrote:
>>>
>>>Elim Garak wrote:
>>>>>Just passing through or hanging out for a while?
>>>>
>>>>Going to try to stick around this time. I'm bored and came here to make fun of
>>>>Episode 2. :P
>>>
>>>Well, you're useless aren't ya?
>>
>>Can't wait till Star Trek X comes out. It'll be fun to see Elim's,
>>Tasha's and Marc's reactions to that. Of course, there's almost no way
>>in hell they'll all be here then.
>
> STX release date: December 13
> The Two Towers release date: December 18
>
> Uh-oh...
Like that's going to have an effect. It's going to be a Box Office
disappointment either way.
C.S.Strowbridge
Dalton
Hee hee hee
"Here's why I like Star Wars more: because I can take my girlfriend to
Episode II, and I don't even want to take *ME* to Star Trek 10."
---Kynes
Phong Nguyen
>>>"Space Oddysey" had 100 times better
>>>space scenes, period. Any Jacky Chan movie has exquisite
>>>coordination and action scenes - especially compared to this crapola.
>>> "Gladiator" had a lot better mass combat. Etc.
>>
>> Gladiator's mass combat scene lasted for less than five minutes.
>> AOTC's for over 10.
>
> And yet I liked Gladiator's combat more.
>
FWIW, I liked Gladiator's initial combat scenes with the artillery and
archer bombardment. When it moved into close-quarters, I didn't enjoy it
nearly as much - they cut every third frame to give it jerkier look
somewhat like in Saving Private Ryan, but it just didn't work.
>>>In generaly, combat scenes are judged not only by the quality of
>>>special effects, although they too are very important, but by the
>>>story they tell and emotional reverbrations that they produce in the
>>>viewer. Most if not all of the combat scenes in this movie left me
>>>cold - mainly because I didn't give a damn about any of the
>>>characters. Oy, look at the idiot boy fighting the guy with the
>>>weird name. I cheered when he cut off Anakin's hand (well, said to
>>>myself "Finally!" - outloud). Because I disliked the main
>>>"protagonist" of this battle, and didn't even care about the
>>>antagonist enough to want him to win or loose.
>>
>> Well of course, but that's only because you haven't bothered to watch
>> any of the Star Wars movies for any reason other than to pick them
>> apart.
>
> That's a good theory, but it does not explain why so many critics also
> don't like this movie. Or why it has grossed over the weekend less
> than Spiderman.
>
Far fewer theatres. FOX is going for the long-run, not a short-duration
battle.
>>>>You missed the whole underground thing, or the whole in the TradeFed
>>>>ships thing or the whole Jedi who were being saved in the collesium
>>>>thing.
>>>
>>>None of the above.
>>
>> Since when do Jedi destroy entire cities of innocents from orbit?
>
> Since when do Jedi lead armies?
>
There hasn't *been* a Republic Navy or Army in millenia. And during the
Great Sith War, they did indeed lead the Republic into battle.
>>> > You do
>>>
>>>>realize what the likelyhood of engaging point targets with 200 GT
>>>>weapons is right?
>>>
>>>Well, IF they truly are 200 GT, of which I saw ZERO evidence in the
>>>movie despite what the books say, IF the Jedi fleet had no other
>>>weapons (which is frankly idiotic), and IF they had no way to step
>>>down the power of their weapons, then yes, I guess it makes sense.
>>>Please note the sarcasm and the big if's.
>>
>> Please note that it is official evidence and thus I don't care what
>> you thin about it.
>
> Well, first of all, I don't "thin". I am already thin enough. :P
>
> Second, if the movies counterdict the official evidence, then it goes
> out the window. Didn't the MF had quad laser turrets. And methinks
> that they did not vaporize the TIEs with extreme prejidice.
>
Elim, there is a *big* difference between the Falcon's antifighter
quadlasers and the anticapital quad turbolasers seen on the Acclamator.
> Furthermore, are you sure you want to clain that the Jedi fleet had no
> other weapons, or a way to step down their power?
>
How far can they drop down the power? Even megaton range would have
likely killed a great number of civilians, and that's a small fraction of
it's firepower.
Elim Garak
>>>So do you know who Mos Eisley is yet Elim?
>>
>>Nope. Never met the guy.
>
> So you still think he's a person then? Glad to know that.
So you still cannot recognize sarcasm? I thought you would have learned about
it by now.
>>>Why did you even bother going to the theater? You should have known
>>>that your bias would make you unable to enjoy the movie.
>>
>>I don't think it is bias
>
> I do. Your bias against Star Wars has always been pathetically obvious
> on this group.
I acknowledge your right to an opinion even when it differs from mine.
>>- just because I don't automatically salivate at the
>>sight of everything with the words "Star Wars" on it, does not mean that I am
>>biased.
>
> No, but the fact that you automatically assume SW = inferior does make
> you biased.
I do not assume that.
>>Besides, I am not the only one who doesn't like the movie. Check it
>>out - it didn't do so hot in the box office either.
>
> You are a liar. It's the second fastest 100 million dollar movie ever.
> Over 4 days, it has made $110,169,231
And over one weekend (2 days, if I am not mistaken) Spiderman made more.
>> Besides, a bunch of movie
>>critics agree with me.
>
> Less than half, and those who don't like it are either just as biased as
> you (Ebert because it's digital film.), or are simply jealous of Lucas'
> commercial success.
Do you have proof that their opinions are biased?
Elim Garak
>>>She's 24, never been laid, hasn't had a boyfriend since she was 12, and she
>>>probably needs to get some.
>>
>>So what idiot elected her queen at 16? Are you sure that's Earth years?
>
> She was elected queen at 14. Apparently there was some chaos surrounding the
> death of the previous king.
>
> Hey, Naboo elected Jar-Jar Binks as their (backup) Senator... what more can you
> say? According to StarWars.com, they often elect people for their simplicity...
Geez! Talk about idiotic! Unless she was somebody's puppet (or was supposed to
be a puppet) this is dumb.
>>>Yet the Feds have no air support,
>>
>>Why not? While we have not seen any dedicated attack craft, all of their
>>shuttles and even small ships are quite modular and can be quickly configured
>>for support roles. Besides, ST starships can serve the same role - either by
>>getting close to the ground, or just firing from orbit with pinpoint accuracy
>>(as in within 10-20 cm of the target).
>
> Oh, that must be why Voyager was afraid of the United States Air Force in
> VOY:Future's End.
Nope. I think it was because its shields were down, it was barely functioning,
and it had to stay out of view of the locals in order to preserve the time line.
>>>no heavy armor,
>>
>>With good reason - that SW heavy armor is crap. It doesn't have enough
>>firepower to justify the expendature of materials, enough speed to stay out of
>>the enemy's sights, and is so large that everyone within several hundred KM can
>>hit it in a second. Read "Gust Front" by John Ringo to find out why it is a BAD
>>idea to make SW type walkers.
>
> And they don't have just walkers. They have hovertanks, crawlers, and other
> manner of equipment. Remember the MTTs from Phantom Menace? How they were
> ramming through the swamp at high speed, just casually shoving trees out of
> their way? Show me a modern tank that can do that.
That's true - they are a little better designed. Unfortunately the Empire
abandoned those designes in favor of more idiotic crap...
>>>no personal protective
>>>gear,
>>
>>Hmm... Could you tell me then, why did plate armor go out of style by the
>>18th-19th century?
>
> Are you saying that pajamas are better?
>
> Hey-wake up. Clonetrooper armor is more of a battlefield environment suit than
> plate armor. Plate armor had a lot of holes. Clonetrooper armor is SEALED.
>
> In other words, you can't gas them very easily, which is a GOOD thing. Remember
> how the Trade Federation Viceroy tried to use gas to eliminate the Jedi in TPM?
Ah, true. Haven't thought of that. So it does have some purpose.
>>>You're entilted to your own delusions, perhaps you smoked one too many
>>>Scooby Snacks.
>>
>>I don't smoke.
>
> (You missed the reference.)
To the hash cookies sometimes called "Scooby Snacks"? Nope, I didn't. I just
chose to ignore it.
The Baron
He meant 14.
Graeme Dice
<snip>
> >>Besides, I am not the only one who doesn't like the movie. Check it
> >>out - it didn't do so hot in the box office either.
> >
> > You are a liar. It's the second fastest 100 million dollar movie ever.
> > Over 4 days, it has made $110,169,231
>
> And over one weekend (2 days, if I am not mistaken) Spiderman made more.
So? Spider-Man is currently the number 14 grossing movie of all time.
Does a Star Wars movie have to make it into the top ten all time before
it is considered that it has made enough money?
> >> Besides, a bunch of movie
> >>critics agree with me.
> >
> > Less than half, and those who don't like it are either just as biased as
> > you (Ebert because it's digital film.), or are simply jealous of Lucas'
> > commercial success.
>
> Do you have proof that their opinions are biased?
The vast majority of negative reviews complain about Lucas, not the
movie. They complain about computer graphics, as if there were any
other way to do the scenes that the movie included.
Graeme Dice
--
"Science is facts; just as houses are made of stones, so is
science made of facts; but a pile of stones is not a house and a
collection of facts is not necessarily science." — Henri
Poincaré
Phong Nguyen
> John Hansen wrote:
>
>>>>She's 24, never been laid, hasn't had a boyfriend since she was 12,
>>>>and she probably needs to get some.
>>>
>>>So what idiot elected her queen at 16? Are you sure that's Earth
>>>years?
>>
>> She was elected queen at 14. Apparently there was some chaos
>> surrounding the death of the previous king.
>>
>> Hey, Naboo elected Jar-Jar Binks as their (backup) Senator... what
>> more can you say? According to StarWars.com, they often elect people
>> for their simplicity...
>
> Geez! Talk about idiotic! Unless she was somebody's puppet (or was
> supposed to be a puppet) this is dumb.
>
She was supposed to be someone's puppet. It didn't turn out that way.
Sir Nitram
Heh, too true.
Hey, all I need to prove the superiority of Star Wars in the cinema is that
Episode II gets coverage on all the news channels. ST: X will be lucky to be
mentioned in the 'Hollywood Minute'.
--
SirNitram
ASVS Small Gods Keeper and Amateur Genius
The most powerful attack of them all...
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C.S.Strowbridge
>>Can't wait till Star Trek X comes out. It'll be fun to see Elim's,
>>Tasha's and Marc's reactions to that. Of course, there's almost no way
>>in hell they'll all be here then.
>
> Heh, too true.
>
> Hey, all I need to prove the superiority of Star Wars in the cinema is that
> Episode II gets coverage on all the news channels. ST: X will be lucky to be
> mentioned in the 'Hollywood Minute'.
I'll be surprised if it makes as much in it's total run as AotC made in
it's opening weekend.
C.S.Strowbridge
Dalton
>
> >Dalton wrote:
> >
> >> Elim Garak wrote:
> >
> >>>>Just passing through or hanging out for a while?
> >>>
> >>>Going to try to stick around this time. I'm bored and came here to make
> >fun of
> >>>Episode 2. :P
> >>
> >> Well, you're useless aren't ya?
> >
> >Can't wait till Star Trek X comes out. It'll be fun to see Elim's,
> >Tasha's and Marc's reactions to that. Of course, there's almost no way
> >in hell they'll all be here then.
> >
>
> Heh, too true.
>
> Hey, all I need to prove the superiority of Star Wars in the cinema is that
> Episode II gets coverage on all the news channels. ST: X will be lucky to be
> mentioned in the 'Hollywood Minute'.
Dude, it will most definitely be mentioned by UPN "News". You kidding?
Every time some big Trek event occurs, the "News" sprays some semen
about it right afterwards.
Sir Nitram
I don't really care about how much they gross. I just know that Star Trek will
never, ever receive the free publicity of Star Wars unless it does something
incredibly stupid like blatantly start running Nazi propaganda.
Dalton
>
> >Sir Nitram wrote:
> >
> >>>Can't wait till Star Trek X comes out. It'll be fun to see Elim's,
> >>>Tasha's and Marc's reactions to that. Of course, there's almost no way
> >>>in hell they'll all be here then.
> >>
> >> Heh, too true.
> >>
> >> Hey, all I need to prove the superiority of Star Wars in the cinema is that
> >> Episode II gets coverage on all the news channels. ST: X will be lucky to
> >be
> >> mentioned in the 'Hollywood Minute'.
> >
> >I'll be surprised if it makes as much in it's total run as AotC made in
> >it's opening weekend.
> >
>
> I don't really care about how much they gross. I just know that Star Trek will
> never, ever receive the free publicity of Star Wars unless it does something
> incredibly stupid like blatantly start running Nazi propaganda.
Didn't they do that with Insurrection?
Sir Nitram
>>
>> >Dalton wrote:
>> >
>> >> Elim Garak wrote:
>> >
>> >>>>Just passing through or hanging out for a while?
>> >>>
>> >>>Going to try to stick around this time. I'm bored and came here to make
>> >fun of
>> >>>Episode 2. :P
>> >>
>> >> Well, you're useless aren't ya?
>> >
>> >Can't wait till Star Trek X comes out. It'll be fun to see Elim's,
>> >Tasha's and Marc's reactions to that. Of course, there's almost no way
>> >in hell they'll all be here then.
>> >
>>
>> Heh, too true.
>>
>> Hey, all I need to prove the superiority of Star Wars in the cinema is that
>> Episode II gets coverage on all the news channels. ST: X will be lucky to
>be
>> mentioned in the 'Hollywood Minute'.
>
>Dude, it will most definitely be mentioned by UPN "News". You kidding?
>Every time some big Trek event occurs, the "News" sprays some semen
>about it right afterwards.
>
UPN News doesn't count towards this anything more than a LucasFilm Newsletter
would.
I'm talking about CNN, NBC, ABC, all of them talking about Attack Of The
Clones, interviewing people in line, etc, ad nauseum.
Sir Nitram
>>
>> >Sir Nitram wrote:
>> >
>> >>>Can't wait till Star Trek X comes out. It'll be fun to see Elim's,
>> >>>Tasha's and Marc's reactions to that. Of course, there's almost no way
>> >>>in hell they'll all be here then.
>> >>
>> >> Heh, too true.
>> >>
>> >> Hey, all I need to prove the superiority of Star Wars in the cinema is
>that
>> >> Episode II gets coverage on all the news channels. ST: X will be lucky
>to
>> >be
>> >> mentioned in the 'Hollywood Minute'.
>> >
>> >I'll be surprised if it makes as much in it's total run as AotC made in
>> >it's opening weekend.
>> >
>>
>> I don't really care about how much they gross. I just know that Star Trek
>will
>> never, ever receive the free publicity of Star Wars unless it does
>something
>> incredibly stupid like blatantly start running Nazi propaganda.
>
>Didn't they do that with Insurrection?
>
Replace 'blatant' with 'So fucking obvious not even Elim could miss'.
Dalton
>
> >Sir Nitram wrote:
> >>
> >> >Dalton wrote:
> >> >
> >> >> Elim Garak wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>>>Just passing through or hanging out for a while?
> >> >>>
> >> >>>Going to try to stick around this time. I'm bored and came here to make
> >> >fun of
> >> >>>Episode 2. :P
> >> >>
> >> >> Well, you're useless aren't ya?
> >> >
> >> >Can't wait till Star Trek X comes out. It'll be fun to see Elim's,
> >> >Tasha's and Marc's reactions to that. Of course, there's almost no way
> >> >in hell they'll all be here then.
> >> >
> >>
> >> Heh, too true.
> >>
> >> Hey, all I need to prove the superiority of Star Wars in the cinema is that
> >> Episode II gets coverage on all the news channels. ST: X will be lucky to
> >be
> >> mentioned in the 'Hollywood Minute'.
> >
> >Dude, it will most definitely be mentioned by UPN "News". You kidding?
> >Every time some big Trek event occurs, the "News" sprays some semen
> >about it right afterwards.
> >
>
> UPN News doesn't count towards this anything more than a LucasFilm Newsletter
> would.
>
> I'm talking about CNN, NBC, ABC, all of them talking about Attack Of The
> Clones, interviewing people in line, etc, ad nauseum.
Ah, alright.
Dalton
>
> >Sir Nitram wrote:
> >>
> >> >Sir Nitram wrote:
> >> >
> >> >>>Can't wait till Star Trek X comes out. It'll be fun to see Elim's,
> >> >>>Tasha's and Marc's reactions to that. Of course, there's almost no way
> >> >>>in hell they'll all be here then.
> >> >>
> >> >> Heh, too true.
> >> >>
> >> >> Hey, all I need to prove the superiority of Star Wars in the cinema is
> >that
> >> >> Episode II gets coverage on all the news channels. ST: X will be lucky
> >to
> >> >be
> >> >> mentioned in the 'Hollywood Minute'.
> >> >
> >> >I'll be surprised if it makes as much in it's total run as AotC made in
> >> >it's opening weekend.
> >> >
> >>
> >> I don't really care about how much they gross. I just know that Star Trek
> >will
> >> never, ever receive the free publicity of Star Wars unless it does
> >something
> >> incredibly stupid like blatantly start running Nazi propaganda.
> >
> >Didn't they do that with Insurrection?
> >
>
> Replace 'blatant' with 'So fucking obvious not even Elim could miss'.
Careful with those words, because his memory is selective :)
Wayne Poe
"Dalton" <r...@daltonator.net> wrote
> Aron Kerkhof wrote:
> > >I've been there, too. "WTF?? Didn't I just buy you a fuckin' steak?"
> >
> > Don't they see that on the menu? Steak always comes with a side order
> > of dick. Goes double for lobster.
> I love this.
That's what she said. With butter.
Sir Nitram
If Elim can remember and realize that ST is spewing Nazi propaganda, then we
know it's blatant enough.
Dalton
ooh la la
Dalton
Has he?
Iceberg
Nitram) wrote:
>>Sir Nitram wrote:
>>>
>>> >Sir Nitram wrote:
>>> >
>>> >>>Can't wait till Star Trek X comes out. It'll be fun to see Elim's,
>>> >>>Tasha's and Marc's reactions to that. Of course, there's almost no way
>>> >>>in hell they'll all be here then.
>>> >>
>>> >> Heh, too true.
>>> >>
>>> >> Hey, all I need to prove the superiority of Star Wars in the cinema is
>>that
>>> >> Episode II gets coverage on all the news channels. ST: X will be lucky
>>to
>>> >be
>>> >> mentioned in the 'Hollywood Minute'.
>>> >
>>> >I'll be surprised if it makes as much in it's total run as AotC made in
>>> >it's opening weekend.
>>> >
>>>
>>> I don't really care about how much they gross. I just know that Star Trek
>>will
>>> never, ever receive the free publicity of Star Wars unless it does
>>something
>>> incredibly stupid like blatantly start running Nazi propaganda.
>>
>>Didn't they do that with Insurrection?
>>
>
>Replace 'blatant' with 'So fucking obvious not even Elim could miss'.
For that to happen, they'd have to replace the Starfleet uniforms with
Third Reich uniforms (actually, a great improvement) and start
goose-stepping under the Swastika flag, while that background music
from "Triumph of the Will" plays (can't for the life of me place its
title).
Even then I wouldn't count on Elim figuring it out.
-- Ice
"Where e'er the Catholic sun doth shine,
There's music and laughter and good red wine.
At least, I've always found it so.
Benedicamus domino!" - Hilaire Belloc
Cmdrwilkens
news:3CE9F7AC...@u.washington.edu...
> Cmdrwilkens wrote:
> >
> > Really? Perhaps you could tell me which movies (excepting perhaps Saving
> > Private Ryan) had better combat?
>
> Better combat by which criteria? TPM had a much more artistic and
fascinating > battle with light sabers (except for Yoda - for all of his 10
seconds).
Sure, because Maul was better than Dooku, only he wasn't because Christopher
Lee's style was just so much more complex yet deceptively simple, you must
look to the elegance of his slight moves to see a far superior fight scene.
I've fought Epee, Foil, and Saber fencing and frankly I'd be scard as hell
to face someone like Dooku because his moves are so fluid and perfectly
swift. Anyway if you prefer Obi-Wan's stupidity to his controlled manuever
and Akanin's reckless assault followed by Yoda's vicious attack then I
simply say haha.
> "Starship Troopers" had a lot more interesting space battle - more
panoramic,
> more exciting, showing much more of the situation, etc.
"Starship Troopers" is one of the crapiest movies EVER, if you actually
liked it for any reason other than naked women then you have no taste.
> "The Matrix" had MUCH better hand to hand and weapon combat.
Matrix had slow-down blur that makes the action seem to take forever to
finish, personally I like mine in realtime so I can be amazed at the speed
of action rather than the coolness of eyebrow twitches occuring during
"realtime" milliseconds.
> "Space Oddysey" had 100 times better space scenes, period.
Space Odyssey was a brilliant movie but frankly the redeeming part of the
space scenes was the music because other than that it seemed to be, frankly,
little more exciting and thoughtful than a still life painting.
>Any Jacky Chan movie has exquisite coordination and action scenes -
> especially compared to this crapola.
Chan's films have more humorous coordination and I actually do like those
HOWEVER that isn't combat so its a red herring.
> "Gladiator" had a lot better mass combat. Etc.
Gladiator was like watching a cool three minutes followed by a really bad
slide show. those first few minutes were awesome but after it went to jagged
slide show style it lost its appeal to me (though the collesium scenes were
just excellent).
> In generaly, combat scenes are judged not only by the quality of special
> effects, although they too are very important, but by the story they tell
and
> emotional reverbrations that they produce in the viewer. Most if not all
of the
> combat scenes in this movie left me cold - mainly because I didn't give a
damn
> about any of the characters. Oy, look at the idiot boy fighting the guy
with
> the weird name. I cheered when he cut off Anakin's hand (well, said to
myself
> "Finally!" - outloud). Because I disliked the main "protagonist" of this
> battle, and didn't even care about the antagonist enough to want him to
win or
> loose.
>
So because you hated the movie before you went in and didn't want to involve
yourself with the storyline you didn't like the combat...how unsuprising.
> >>>That's because Anakin's never dealt with girls on a romantic level
> >>>before. All he's done over the course of ten years was Jedi training
> >>>during the day and wet dreams about Padme at night. Finally confronting
> >>>her, he's a blithering idiot, and that's something that most geeky Star
> >>>Wars fans can relate to.
> >>
> >>I got that part - the thing that I didn't get is why the hell Amadila
> >> swallowed
> >
> >>all of the lines, hook and sinker? I mean, she is supposed to be around
> >> 30,
> >>right? So why the hell does she listen to this genocidal freak?
> >
> > She's 24, never been laid, hasn't had a boyfriend since she was 12, and
she
> > probably needs to get some.
>
> So what idiot elected her queen at 16? Are you sure that's Earth years?
>
Different culture, they prefer the innocence of youth to the wisom of age
(thoguh you'll note she still has older advisors) Nonetheless the VD clearly
describes a sort of child worship on Naboo that treasures their innocence as
a tool for bettering the society.
> >>>WAH! I'M WHINEY SB.CM TERKKEI! EPDOISE II CONDRACITS ICS! THRER ARNT
> >>>200GT TRUBLOASRES! WAH!
> >>
> >>ROFL! That's a piece of rationalization if I've ever heard one! Why
not
> >> just
> >>bombard the areas around the collyseum, thus destroying most of the
droid
> >> army
> >>and the illegal starships? They were out in the open - just nuke
> >> everything in
> >>site *except* for the collyseum.
> >
> > You missed the whole underground thing, or the whole in the TradeFed
ships
> > thing or the whole Jedi who were being saved in the collesium thing.
>
> None of the above.
>
Your statement is unuirected and does not address my point, perhaps you
could clarify your position because you have shown no indication of being
aware of the restrictions an orbital bombardment mision has here.
> > You do
> > realize what the likelyhood of engaging point targets with 200 GT
weapons is
> > right?
>
> Well, IF they truly are 200 GT, of which I saw ZERO evidence in the movie
> despite what the books say, IF the Jedi fleet had no other weapons (which
is
> frankly idiotic), and IF they had no way to step down the power of their
> weapons, then yes, I guess it makes sense. Please note the sarcasm and
the big > if's.
Please note that until the figure is CONTRADICTED it is offical evidence.
There was no situation in which those heavy weapons were fired thus the 200
GT figure cannot be contradicted therfore it is correct and all your
whinnign about "if" means two things- jack and shit.
> >>>Those clone troopers would slaughter Federation ground forces so
> >>>thoroughly that it wouldn't even be funny.
> >>
> >>Depends on the ground forces - I think the veterans from the Dominion
> >> ground
> >>campaign could take them. At the very least they wouldn't stand up
> >> straight and > march into battle squad by squad a la Napoleon era
combat.
> >
> > Yet the Feds have no air support,
>
> Why not? While we have not seen any dedicated attack craft, all of their
> shuttles and even small ships are quite modular and can be quickly
configured
> for support roles. Besides, ST starships can serve the same role - either
by
> getting close to the ground, or just firing from orbit with pinpoint
accuracy
> (as in within 10-20 cm of the target).
1) Shuttles have so little capability as to need ground troops to support
them (DS9). If a shuttle can't take care of itself against ground troops
with no dedicated AAM/AAA then you'd be hard pressed to show that they could
be used as air support against the Imps who DO have dedicated AAM/AAA.
> > no heavy armor,
>
> With good reason - that SW heavy armor is crap. It doesn't have enough
> firepower to justify the expendature of materials, enough speed to stay
out of
> the enemy's sights, and is so large that everyone within several hundred
KM can > hit it in a second. Read "Gust Front" by John Ringo to find out
why it is a BAD
> idea to make SW type walkers.
Go look at the AT-TE and realize the amount of firepower packed into it then
go back to remembering that your lonest range Federation combatant isn't
gonna be able to touch the Imps for the first hour of combat...by which time
he'd be dead.
> > no personal protective
> > gear,
>
> Hmm... Could you tell me then, why did plate armor go out of style by the
> 18th-19th century?
MOPP: Mission Oriented Protective Posture, commonly refers to the status of
the armed forces of America as it relats to their use of NBC GEAR.
Are you a friggin moron? The feds can be simply served up like dead fish
with a few canisters of mustard gas.
> > etc. I could defeat the entire Federation ground forces with a single
> > MEU.
>
> MEU?
Marine Expeditionary Unit, a reinforced Battalion landing team with a heavy
helicopter squadron and about a half dozen AV-8BIIs in support embarked in
the ships of an ARG.
> >>>I don't know about Episode I being better than Jedi, but Clones
> >>>definitely ranks up there with Empire. I don't know which one I like
> >>>better, yet. I'll have to see Clones, again. :)
> >>
> >>IMHO it was barely above ST5. I mean, even Scuby Do appears to have
more
> >>emotional involvment than this piece of drek.
> >
> > You're entilted to your own delusions, perhaps you smoked one too many
> > Scooby Snacks.
>
> I don't smoke.
>
Fine, then stop directly injecting the Scooby Snacks.
> >>>Indeed. His entire plan is a masterpiece, and it works out beautifully,
> >>>even though he had to improvise in Episode I because of the Jedi's
> >>>involvement.
> >>
> >>Well, I wouldn't go that far, but it isn't too bad. If you want to hear
> >> about
> >>magnificent plans (though not on such a large scale) think of Garak's
plan
> >> to
> >>draw the Romulans into the Dominion war! There was a plan engeneered to
> >> fail on
> >>two fronts, in order to succeed.
> >
> > You idiot, Palpatine had to control the Jedi, Amidala, the Senate, the
> > general populace, and the Trade Federation etc. He rose from backworld
> > obscurity to ruler of the galaxy in a matter of a few decades, that's a
bit
> > more of an accomplishment than getting someone to engage in revenge
warfare.
>
> Nope. I disagree. It is all a matter of the number of variables and
goals.
> There were far more variables in Garak's equation than in Palpatine's.
Think
> about it - Palpatine had one large goal - to become the ruler, etc. For
that he
> had to achieve several things, in steps.
>
> Step 1 - become Chancellor or whatever it is called.
> Step 2 - get extraordinary powers assigned to himself.
>
> To achieve step 1 he had to find somebody to nominate him, and a reason
for
> that. To do that he needed to show the current chancellor to be
incompetent.
> To do that he had to create a crisis. There were only a couple of players
in
> the game large enough to threaten the planet, etc. In other words, one
problem
> flows naturaly into the other, because of quite a few bottlenecks in the
DAG.
>
Of ourse in the meantime no one else was ambitious enough to seek the
chancellorship nor would they have been above foiling Palpatine's goals for
their own even if they were allies. Politics is the best place to stuy
compromised integrity and even allies will stab you in the back, Palpatine's
rise hinged on a constant public image play that kept those factions he
needed aligned with him, not a small task to keep a coalition together for a
decade especially when you've already overstayed your term limit.
> >>>Indeed.
> >>
> >>ROFL! I think the most interesting character in the movie this time was
> >> the guy
> >>at the diner - at least he showed some jenuine emotion!
> >>
> >>The way the movie POV jumped around all the time I alternated between
> >
> > being > mildly curious about what is going to happen to Ben and being
mildly
> > nauseus at > the acting and contents of Anakin's "love story".
> >>BTW, I read and noticed something that another guy caught in the movie.
> >> Don't
> >>you think it strange that first Amadila in skimpy clothes is chained to
a
> >>large
> >>phallus shaped object, after which she breaks her chains and mounts it?
> >> Freud
> >>would be fascinated.
> >
> > I am fascinated also...that you are still around to be mocked.
>
> You are fascinated by the fact that I don't give a damn about the mockery
of
> hypocritic crack addicts with the intelligence of a frog like you?
>
I'm fascinated that you pretend to be a thoughful debater yet when faced
with logic and evidence you either attack the source as using an Ad hominem
(and never address their points) or you run away again.
--
Lcpl Burnett, G.R.
USMCR
BridgeCo B 6th EngSptBN 4th FSSG
"Weapons do not penetrate armour based on force and pressure"
- IXJac(taken from SB.com and SD.net)
Natasha Bell
Elim Garak wrote:
>
> Cmdrwilkens wrote:
>
> >>>I second that.
> >>
> >>I was bored out of my brain most of the time. Didn't fall asleep only
> >> because
> >>the weapons and tactics were hilarious. At best a total of 30 seconds of
> >> combat
> >>in the movie was actually cool - the rest was low grade stuff outclassed
> >> by
> >>dozens of other movies.
> >
> > Really? Perhaps you could tell me which movies (excepting perhaps Saving
> > Private Ryan) had better combat?
>
> Better combat by which criteria? TPM had a much more artistic and fascinating
> battle with light sabers (except for Yoda - for all of his 10 seconds).
> "Starship Troopers" had a lot more interesting space battle - more panoramic,
> more exciting, showing much more of the situation, etc. "The Matrix" had MUCH
> better hand to hand and weapon combat. "Space Oddysey" had 100 times better
> space scenes, period. Any Jacky Chan movie has exquisite coordination and
> action scenes - especially compared to this crapola. "Gladiator" had a lot
> better mass combat. Etc.
>
> In generaly, combat scenes are judged not only by the quality of special
> effects, although they too are very important, but by the story they tell and
> emotional reverbrations that they produce in the viewer. Most if not all of the
> combat scenes in this movie left me cold - mainly because I didn't give a damn
> about any of the characters. Oy, look at the idiot boy fighting the guy with
> the weird name. I cheered when he cut off Anakin's hand (well, said to myself
> "Finally!" - outloud). Because I disliked the main "protagonist" of this
> battle, and didn't even care about the antagonist enough to want him to win or
> loose.
>
> >>>That's because Anakin's never dealt with girls on a romantic level
> >>>before. All he's done over the course of ten years was Jedi training
> >>>during the day and wet dreams about Padme at night. Finally confronting
> >>>her, he's a blithering idiot, and that's something that most geeky Star
> >>>Wars fans can relate to.
> >>
> >>I got that part - the thing that I didn't get is why the hell Amadila
> >> swallowed
> >
> >>all of the lines, hook and sinker? I mean, she is supposed to be around
> >> 30,
> >>right? So why the hell does she listen to this genocidal freak?
> >
> > She's 24, never been laid, hasn't had a boyfriend since she was 12, and she
> > probably needs to get some.
>
> So what idiot elected her queen at 16? Are you sure that's Earth years?
>
> >>>WAH! I'M WHINEY SB.CM TERKKEI! EPDOISE II CONDRACITS ICS! THRER ARNT
> >>>200GT TRUBLOASRES! WAH!
> >>
> >>ROFL! That's a piece of rationalization if I've ever heard one! Why not
> >> just
> >>bombard the areas around the collyseum, thus destroying most of the droid
> >> army
> >>and the illegal starships? They were out in the open - just nuke
> >> everything in
> >>site *except* for the collyseum.
> >
> > You missed the whole underground thing, or the whole in the TradeFed ships
> > thing or the whole Jedi who were being saved in the collesium thing.
>
> None of the above.
>
> > You do
> > realize what the likelyhood of engaging point targets with 200 GT weapons is
> > right?
>
> Well, IF they truly are 200 GT, of which I saw ZERO evidence in the movie
> despite what the books say, IF the Jedi fleet had no other weapons (which is
> frankly idiotic), and IF they had no way to step down the power of their
> weapons, then yes, I guess it makes sense. Please note the sarcasm and the big
> if's.
>
> >>>Those clone troopers would slaughter Federation ground forces so
> >>>thoroughly that it wouldn't even be funny.
> >>
> >>Depends on the ground forces - I think the veterans from the Dominion
> >> ground
> >>campaign could take them. At the very least they wouldn't stand up
> >> straight and > march into battle squad by squad a la Napoleon era combat.
> >
> > Yet the Feds have no air support,
>
> Why not? While we have not seen any dedicated attack craft, all of their
> shuttles and even small ships are quite modular and can be quickly configured
> for support roles. Besides, ST starships can serve the same role - either by
> getting close to the ground, or just firing from orbit with pinpoint accuracy
> (as in within 10-20 cm of the target).
>
> > no heavy armor,
>
> With good reason - that SW heavy armor is crap. It doesn't have enough
> firepower to justify the expendature of materials, enough speed to stay out of
> the enemy's sights, and is so large that everyone within several hundred KM can
> hit it in a second. Read "Gust Front" by John Ringo to find out why it is a BAD
> idea to make SW type walkers.
>
> > no personal protective
> > gear,
>
> Hmm... Could you tell me then, why did plate armor go out of style by the
> 18th-19th century?
>
> > etc. I could defeat the entire Federation ground forces with a single
> > MEU.
>
> MEU?
>
> >>>I don't know about Episode I being better than Jedi, but Clones
> >>>definitely ranks up there with Empire. I don't know which one I like
> >>>better, yet. I'll have to see Clones, again. :)
> >>
> >>IMHO it was barely above ST5. I mean, even Scuby Do appears to have more
> >>emotional involvment than this piece of drek.
> >
> > You're entilted to your own delusions, perhaps you smoked one too many
> > Scooby Snacks.
>
> I don't smoke.
>
> >>>Indeed.
> >>
> >>ROFL! I think the most interesting character in the movie this time was
> >> the guy
> >>at the diner - at least he showed some jenuine emotion!
> >>
> >>The way the movie POV jumped around all the time I alternated between
> >
> > being > mildly curious about what is going to happen to Ben and being mildly
> > nauseus at > the acting and contents of Anakin's "love story".
> >>BTW, I read and noticed something that another guy caught in the movie.
> >> Don't
> >>you think it strange that first Amadila in skimpy clothes is chained to a
> >>large
> >>phallus shaped object, after which she breaks her chains and mounts it?
> >> Freud
> >>would be fascinated.
> >
> > I am fascinated also...that you are still around to be mocked.
>
> You are fascinated by the fact that I don't give a damn about the mockery of
> hypocritic crack addicts with the intelligence of a frog like you?
Elim,
I couldn't agree with you more!
Eleas
> Elim Garak wrote:> > > news:3CE9C327...@u.washington.edu...
> > >
> > > <snip stuff that will no doubt be addressed by others>
> > >
> > > Hey, what's up?
> > >
> > > Just passing through or hanging out for a while?
> >
> > Going to try to stick around this time. I'm bored and came here to make fun of
> > Episode 2. :P
>
> Well, you're useless aren't ya?
...and rethorical questions abound...
--
Björn
Eleas
> On Mon, 20 May 2002 15:59:03 -0700, "Wayne Poe" <lo...@h4h.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"C.S.Strowbridge" <csstro...@shaw.ca> wrote
> >
> >> Cmdrwilkens wrote:
>
> >> > The funny thing is this felt like a first romance,
> >>
> >> <SNIP!>
> >>
> >> I know. I guess these Hollywood critics are too used to movies and have
> >> forgotten what real life is like.
> >
> >Come on, guys; how many of you here has done stupid shit in front of a girl
> >to impress her? Imagine if Strowbridge had Jedi powers. Do you think he'd
> >stop with floating fruit?
> >
> I'd go into town to the city centre and show off the full extent of my
> force jumping and acrobatic abilities, then pull out my lightsabre and
> do all sorts of cool crap. Of course, if I could change the world so
> it was like this for me, then I have the power to conjour up a Sith
> opponent for me too, so there I am, in the city centre, hundreds of
> people watching, someone with a video camera, Sith approaches me, 'We
> meet again, Lowe, now you shall die!' he whips out his lightsaber and
> attacks me, and we have a superb fight, which I ultimately win of
> course, and then I go shopping.
FUQ.
--
Björn