Empire can track ships in hyperspace
Derek P
behind the emperial officers in black, that they are tracking the rebel
fleet approaching in hyperspace.
Ali Tavakoly
peace,
ali
Derek P <dere...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Dalton
>
> ROTJ, when the rebels are in the enemy bunkers on Endor, u can see clearly
> behind the emperial officers in black, that they are tracking the rebel
> fleet approaching in hyperspace.
I'll have to look that up. Good catch.
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Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote in message
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> Derek P wrote:
> >
> > ROTJ, when the rebels are in the enemy bunkers on Endor, u can see
clearly
> > behind the emperial officers in black, that they are tracking the rebel
> > fleet approaching in hyperspace.
>
> I'll have to look that up. Good catch.
I say that myself today. Leia looks at the screen and says, "Hurry Han, the
fleet will be here in moments."
or something very close to that effect.
Dalton
>
> Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote in message
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> > Derek P wrote:
> > >
> > > ROTJ, when the rebels are in the enemy bunkers on Endor, u can see
> clearly
> > > behind the emperial officers in black, that they are tracking the rebel
> > > fleet approaching in hyperspace.
> >
>
> > I'll have to look that up. Good catch.
>
> I say that myself today. Leia looks at the screen and says, "Hurry Han, the
> fleet will be here in moments."
> or something very close to that effect.
Interesting! Perhaps this is the final proof of FTL sensors.
Phil Skayhan
> Phil Skayhan wrote:
> >
> > Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote in message
> > news:393DE9EE...@nospam.erols.com...
> > > Derek P wrote:
> > > >
> > > > ROTJ, when the rebels are in the enemy bunkers on Endor, u can see
> > clearly
> > > > behind the emperial officers in black, that they are tracking the
rebel
> > > > fleet approaching in hyperspace.
> > >
> >
> > > I'll have to look that up. Good catch.
> >
> > I say that myself today. Leia looks at the screen and says, "Hurry Han,
the
> > fleet will be here in moments."
> > or something very close to that effect.
>
> Interesting! Perhaps this is the final proof of FTL sensors.
>
>
side of the screen.
She could just be looking at that and referring to the Rebel planned time of
attack.
Damn!
Looks like this will be a long discussion....
Dalton
>
> Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote in message
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> > Phil Skayhan wrote:
> > >
> > > Dalton <dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote in message
> > > news:393DE9EE...@nospam.erols.com...
> > > > Derek P wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > ROTJ, when the rebels are in the enemy bunkers on Endor, u can see
> > > clearly
> > > > > behind the emperial officers in black, that they are tracking the
> rebel
> > > > > fleet approaching in hyperspace.
> > > >
> > >
> > > > I'll have to look that up. Good catch.
> > >
> > > I say that myself today. Leia looks at the screen and says, "Hurry Han,
> the
> > > fleet will be here in moments."
> > > or something very close to that effect.
> >
> > Interesting! Perhaps this is the final proof of FTL sensors.
> >
> >
> Unfortunately, I also noticed a time display of some sort in the lower left
> side of the screen.
> She could just be looking at that and referring to the Rebel planned time of
> attack.
> Damn!
> Looks like this will be a long discussion....
Dunno about that. How would the Imps know when the Rebs launched?
Phil Skayhan
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I assure you that mine are greater."
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I just mean she could have looked at a clock.
This is what the ST side is gonna say so might as well get
it out of the way.
Believe me, tomorrow I'll take another look at it and see if I can figure
out
what that timer is.
Dalton
[snip]
> > > Damn!
> > > Looks like this will be a long discussion....
> >
> > Dunno about that. How would the Imps know when the Rebs launched?
> >
>
> I just mean she could have looked at a clock.
> This is what the ST side is gonna say so might as well get
> it out of the way.
>
> Believe me, tomorrow I'll take another look at it and see if I can > figure out what that timer is.
OK. Good luck.
Mike Griffiths
> behind the emperial officers in black, that they are tracking the rebel
> fleet approaching in hyperspace.
Isn't that the exact same scene/display Saxton uses to show the Imp ship
deceleration abilities?
if it is, it isn't large enough to show ships travelling at even c, never
mind several hundred thousand or million times that.
As you point out later there is a timer/clock along side the display - Leia
could easily be refering to when she is expecting the rebel fleet to arrive.
For dalton - if you want proof of FTL sensors just look at the battle of
Yavin. Real time readouts etc. over several light seconds. I often wonder
why no one uses this when they want to proof FTL sensors, and choose instead
to use Hoth which shows nothing of the sort.
sguido
<dalto...@nospam.erols.com> wrote:
*snip*
>
>Dunno about that. How would the Imps know when the Rebs launched?
The Imps knew about the Rebel fleet at Sullust, so perhaps their intel
notified them when the Rebs jumped. The Imperials started the clock
at that point, and displays would show the projected course according
to the slowest ship.
Derek P
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what are they? local animal inhabitants? lol
i'm gonna put that movie in right now, and check out that clock thing, take
a look at my 2 seperate SSD thing aswell, thats interesting too
Derek P
I just took a look at the numbers, they are counting down, obviously to when
the rebel fleet is about to come out of hyperspace. Ok so the numbers are
counting down, obviously meaning that the emperials have some way of
knowing...however, with the blips it is obviously they are tracking the
ships in real time, counting down the seconds to when they arrive. go take
a look, its not difficult
Jerry
Derek P
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Lord Edam de Fromage
instead...
> I just took a look at the numbers, they are counting down, obviously to when
> the rebel fleet is about to come out of hyperspace.
Not At All. I've just watched that scene, and the numbers do appear to be
coutning down - 4, 3, 2, 1, then it cuts. And about two minutes later the
rebel fleet drops out of hyperspace. It is just as possible it is
counting until the imperial fleet reaches its ambush position prior to
the arrival of the rebel fleet.
Ok so the numbers are
> counting down, obviously meaning that the emperials have some way of
> knowing...however, with the blips it is obviously they are tracking the
> ships in real time, counting down the seconds to when they arrive. go take
> a look, its not difficult
If they are tracking the rebel fleet they have the timing totally off,
eventhough they have special divisions on the display showing where the
fleet is. If they are tracking the rebel fleet the scale of the display
is well off, because the rebel fleet should cover over 1 million km in
the time the display is shown, plus several more millions between the
change of scene from them running out of the bunker to the rebel fleet
actually arriving.
Plus, it's probably my eyes, but I swear I see one really large blip in
the middle surrounded by lots of similar sized blips - like the imperial
fleet looked from the Emperor's throne room later in the film.
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Think I've heard your claims before,
Think I've said the words before
something makes me feel I might have lost my mind
Derek P
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Hmm, i'm gonna double check right now
Derek P
NOPE! i just checked again, large and small dots alike on that screen.
Also, leia is seen stairing at the scren after for several seconds, those
blips are the rebel fleet
Strowbridge
> NOPE! i just checked again, large and small dots alike on that screen.
> Also, leia is seen stairing at the scren after for several seconds, those
> blips are the rebel fleet
Save you breathe (fingers?) he's been told this before.
Also, we know that those dots represent the Rebel ships cause if they
were the Imperial Navy Leia would figured out it was a trap and would
have reacted.
C.S.Strowbridge
Ashen-Shugar
<michael....@physics.org> :
>Derek P <dere...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> ROTJ, when the rebels are in the enemy bunkers on Endor, u can see clearly
>> behind the emperial officers in black, that they are tracking the rebel
>> fleet approaching in hyperspace.
>
>
>Isn't that the exact same scene/display Saxton uses to show the Imp ship
>deceleration abilities?
>
>if it is, it isn't large enough to show ships travelling at even c, never
>mind several hundred thousand or million times that.
>
>As you point out later there is a timer/clock along side the display - Leia
>could easily be refering to when she is expecting the rebel fleet to arrive.
>
>For dalton - if you want proof of FTL sensors just look at the battle of
>Yavin. Real time readouts etc. over several light seconds. I often wonder
>why no one uses this when they want to proof FTL sensors, and choose instead
>to use Hoth which shows nothing of the sort.
>
I have tried this with Yavin, but fanatics still claim the rebels had
sensor pods scattered all over the system, and the real-time comms
only prove FTL comms, not sensors. Of course they're reaching, but ...
just ask Elim.
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Lord Edam de Fromage
instead...
> Hmm, i'm gonna double check right now
Please do. Any one of my problems would be enough to throw major your
claims (and support Saxton's interpretation of the exact same scene), so
make sure you do ti *really* carefully.
Lord Edam de Fromage
instead...
> > Not At All. I've just watched that scene, and the numbers do appear to be
> > coutning down - 4, 3, 2, 1, then it cuts. And about two minutes later the
> > rebel fleet drops out of hyperspace. It is just as possible it is
> > counting until the imperial fleet reaches its ambush position prior to
> > the arrival of the rebel fleet.
> >
> > Ok so the numbers are
> > > counting down, obviously meaning that the emperials have some way of
> > > knowing...however, with the blips it is obviously they are tracking the
> > > ships in real time, counting down the seconds to when they arrive. go
> take
> > > a look, its not difficult
> >
> > If they are tracking the rebel fleet they have the timing totally off,
> > eventhough they have special divisions on the display showing where the
> > fleet is. If they are tracking the rebel fleet the scale of the display
> > is well off, because the rebel fleet should cover over 1 million km in
> > the time the display is shown, plus several more millions between the
> > change of scene from them running out of the bunker to the rebel fleet
> > actually arriving.
> >
> > Plus, it's probably my eyes, but I swear I see one really large blip in
> > the middle surrounded by lots of similar sized blips - like the imperial
> > fleet looked from the Emperor's throne room later in the film.
> >
> > --
> > Lord Edam de Fromage
> >
> > AIM:Sorborus
> > WEB:www.trek-wars.co.uk
> >
> > Think I've heard your claims before,
> > Think I've said the words before
> > something makes me feel I might have lost my mind
>
> NOPE! i just checked again, large and small dots alike on that screen.
> Also, leia is seen stairing at the scren after for several seconds, those
> blips are the rebel fleet
Leia could just as easily staring at Chewie, or more likely the prisoners
who are standing directly *in front* of the screen. And ALL the other
problems with your interpretation still indicate it is, as Saxton says,
the imperial fleet, not the rebel fleet.
The fact the 'counter that is obviously counting down to the rebel fleet"
counts from 4 to one in three seconds and is (obviously) about to go to
zero coupled with the distance the blobs are moving clearly shows those
ships are NOT travelling at several multiples of c, as the rebel fleet
would be if they were in hyperspace.
Dalton
>
> Derek P <dere...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> > ROTJ, when the rebels are in the enemy bunkers on Endor, u can see clearly
> > behind the emperial officers in black, that they are tracking the rebel
> > fleet approaching in hyperspace.
>
> Isn't that the exact same scene/display Saxton uses to show the Imp ship
> deceleration abilities?
>
> if it is, it isn't large enough to show ships travelling at even c, never
> mind several hundred thousand or million times that.
>
> As you point out later there is a timer/clock along side the display - Leia
> could easily be refering to when she is expecting the rebel fleet to arrive.
>
> For dalton - if you want proof of FTL sensors just look at the battle of
> Yavin. Real time readouts etc. over several light seconds. I often wonder
> why no one uses this when they want to proof FTL sensors, and choose instead
> to use Hoth which shows nothing of the sort.
Most people are preoccupied with using that scene as proof of X-Wing
acceleration, but thanks.
Dalton
Good idea.
Chris O'Farrell
> Phil Skayhan wrote:
>
> [snip]
>
> > > > Damn!
> > > > Looks like this will be a long discussion....
> > >
> > >
> >
> > This is what the ST side is gonna say so might as well get
> > it out of the way.
> >
> > Believe me, tomorrow I'll take another look at it and see if I can >
figure out what that timer is.
>
> OK. Good luck.
Also in one of the Jedi accadamy books, Dala and her SD's ambush a ship.
They DO detect signs of the ship comming through well before they actualy do
as they are able to go to battlestations and be ready before it emerges. And
further, if the graphic was in fact a represention of the IMPERIAL fleet,
you would think Leia would have said something more along the lines of :
'IT'S A KRIFFING TRAP'!!
Derek P
oh please, you have no idea what type of distance that is, you also have no
idea how fast they are moving. However, you do no their formation, also you
know what is involved in the battle. (Imperial fleet) (rebel fleet) and
only 1 fleet is shaped like the formation seen on the view screen. "ships
are NOT travelling at several multiples of c" are u kidding me. Its
impossble to tell the speed of the ships, but it is possible to tell the
formation. The lines you see running down the screen, we don't know the
distance between the lines, so we don't know the speed of the ships. Work
with the evidence at hand, dont make shit up.
Mike Griffiths
> > Leia could just as easily staring at Chewie, or more likely the
prisoners
> > who are standing directly *in front* of the screen. And ALL the other
> > problems with your interpretation still indicate it is, as Saxton says,
> > the imperial fleet, not the rebel fleet.
> >
> > The fact the 'counter that is obviously counting down to the rebel
fleet"
> > counts from 4 to one in three seconds and is (obviously) about to go to
> > zero coupled with the distance the blobs are moving clearly shows those
> > ships are NOT travelling at several multiples of c, as the rebel fleet
> > would be if they were in hyperspace.
> >
>
> oh please, you have no idea what type of distance that is, you also have
no
> idea how fast they are moving.
Unless you take the big red ball on the left edge as a guide. I'll quote
from Saxton at this point I think (http://www.theforce.net/swtc/isd.html)
"The moments before the Battle of Endor provide one of the best
demonstrations of accelerative capabilities. The tactical screen in the
power generator bunker shows the fleet of star destroyers moving into
position near the Death Star II in order to trap the rebel aramada which is
due to arrive. According to the scale of the screen, which was about 100km
per horizontal segment, the destroyers were moving at no less than about
sixty kilometres per second. This is just the velocity component in the
plane of the screen; the true velocity would have a significant
perpendicular component also. (The speed estaimate may also need to be
increased because the bunker screen was updated only every second or so; the
ship positions seemed ready for a forwards update when the scene of the
movie changed.) Within a few seconds they had come to a complete halt. This
implies a deceleration on the order of dozens or hundreds of kilometres per
second per second (depending on the unknown perpendicular velocity). "
and the pictures to accompany this are
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/given/by/bunkerships.gif
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Pix/given/rb/bunkerscreen.gif
http://www.theforce.net/swtc/Anim/fleet.mov
And I say again, IF that is the rebel fleet in Hyperspace then, going by the
red circle at the left of the image, they would be travelling far faster
than they are shown to be. AND the timer is off by several seconds if it is
counting down to the arrival of the rebel fleet.
However, you do no their formation, also you
> know what is involved in the battle. (Imperial fleet) (rebel fleet) and
> only 1 fleet is shaped like the formation seen on the view screen.
really? Better look at those fleets out of the throne room window again -
both fleets look exactly as we see them appear in that display
"ships
> are NOT travelling at several multiples of c" are u kidding me. Its
> impossble to tell the speed of the ships, but it is possible to tell the
> formation. The lines you see running down the screen, we don't know the
> distance between the lines, so we don't know the speed of the ships.
Unless we watch even the pan-&-scan in full screen rather than the TV's
usual cut-off-the-edges where we can see a red glone that apparently (in the
widescreen version) becomes apparent as the DSII
Work
> with the evidence at hand, dont make shit up.
Use all the evidence, not the small part you can see off your shitty TV
screen. Do you want full-screen vidcap off the pan-&-scan video to support
my claims?
The one from the widescreen edition is the second link above.
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Dalton
Good point!