Can Starfleet defeat the Empire?
Alex Cain
Empire = doesn't
Starfleet = warp drive
Empire = doesn't
Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
Empire = doesn't
Stuart Mackey
Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Starfleet = cloaking technology
True
> Empire = doesn't
Yeah they do, there is a direct refernece to this in The Empire Strikes
Back.
> Starfleet = warp drive
True
> Empire = doesn't
No they dont, they have something better, that is called Hyperdrive.
> Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
yes..very close distances
> Empire = doesn't
correct, they dont have short ranged main armaments, .
Steve Garrett Jr.
> Starfleet = cloaking technology
> Empire = doesn't
*"wrong answer" buzzer from game show*
> Starfleet = warp drive
> Empire = doesn't
No, they have hyperdrive. It's faster.
> Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
> Empire = doesn't
No, they have a bigass moon-sized space station that can pop planets like boils.
So, what's it like to live without a functioning brain?
--
Sorry, it's a character trait: I can't respect idiots.
"Silly Trekkies, always looking for the most difficult and technical
explanation possible..." - Garrett "Slacker" Petersen, professional
slacker and Spacebattles regular
"The weak shall inherit the earth - about ten cubic meters of it over
their coffins!" - Pirate phrase, BattleTech Field Manual: Periphery
Stephen Garrett Jr.
a.k.a. "Big" Steve, Spacebattles regular, and Slayer of Fools (and
grieving son)
Alex Cain
>
> Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> > Starfleet = cloaking technology
>
> True
>
> > Empire = doesn't
>
> Yeah they do, there is a direct refernece to this in The Empire Strikes
> Back.
So why did they never use it?
>
> > Starfleet = warp drive
>
> True
>
> > Empire = doesn't
>
> No they dont, they have something better, that is called Hyperdrive.
Big flippin' deal. Starfleet has Transwarp technology. That's sixteen
times more powerful and effective.
>
> > Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
>
> yes..very close distances
No, very far distances. Phasers = concentrated light beams, light can
travel wherever it damn well wants to, distance not being a factor.
>
> > Empire = doesn't
>
> correct, they dont have short ranged main armaments, .
Empire suks.
Steve Garrett Jr.
> Stuart Mackey wrote:
>
> So why did they never use it?
Maybe because they didn't need a plot device?
> Big flippin' deal. Starfleet has Transwarp technology. That's sixteen
> times more powerful and effective.
In your dreams, shit-for-brains. Hyperdrive allows travel across the SW
galaxy in a matter of days, Trek Transwarp would still require months at
the very least.
>
> No, very far distances. Phasers = concentrated light beams, light can
> travel wherever it damn well wants to, distance not being a factor.
Light still has a speed, dipshit. And phasers are not "concentrated
light beams", if they were YOU WOULDN'T BE ABLE TO SEE THEM IN SPACE.
Moron.
In practically every Trek battle scene (With some exceptions, like "The Wounded"), battle occurs within a few dozen kilometers.
>>>Empire = doesn't
>>>
>>correct, they dont have short ranged main armaments, .
>>
>
> Empire suks.
>
Well, I happen to agree, but you're still a fucking idiot, and you can't
even spell "sucks" right. People who use "l33t speak" are smarter than
you, neanderthal. Now go back to the pits of hell where you came from
and leave the intelligent world alone.
Stuart Mackey
> Stuart Mackey wrote:
> >
> > Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> > > Starfleet = cloaking technology
> >
> > True
> >
> > > Empire = doesn't
> >
> > Yeah they do, there is a direct refernece to this in The Empire Strikes
> > Back.
>
> So why did they never use it?
May be cause its been banned by Palpy?
>
> > > Starfleet = warp drive
> >
> > True
> >
> > > Empire = doesn't
> >
> > No they dont, they have something better, that is called Hyperdrive.
>
> Big flippin' deal. Starfleet has Transwarp technology. That's sixteen
> times more powerful and effective.
Prove it.
> > > Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
> >
> > yes..very close distances
>
> No, very far distances. Phasers = concentrated light beams, light can
> travel wherever it damn well wants to, distance not being a factor.
Prove it
> >
> > > Empire = doesn't
> >
> > correct, they dont have short ranged main armaments, .
>
> Empire suks.
Failure to provide evidence for claim.
Concession accepted.
Steve Garrett Jr.
> Failure to provide evidence for claim.
> Concession accepted.
No no no no no!!! Stuart, you're doing it all wrong!
You are dealing with stupid, illiterate, and retarded wrestling fans.
They don't understand fancy terminology like "concession" and
"evidence". You have to speak to them in terms they will understand.
Terms like "idiot", "loser", "shithead", "dipshit", "cocksucker",
"shit-for-brains", "dickless", and my personal favorite, "fucking piece
of shit who masturbates at online porn of wrestling's best-looking
female sluts but has trouble finding his itty bitty dick". In other
words, instead of using the typical ASVS anti-troll tactic of wit and
sarcasm for precision attacks, bash them a few times in the head with a
club of logic. Brute force worked for the Russians against the Germans,
it'll work for you in this case as well.
Maj Svetlanna
>
>You are dealing with stupid, illiterate, and retarded wrestling fans.
>They don't understand fancy terminology like "concession" and
>"evidence". You have to speak to them in terms they will understand.
>Terms like "idiot", "loser", "shithead", "dipshit", "cocksucker",
>"shit-for-brains", "dickless", and my personal favorite, "fucking piece
>of shit who masturbates at online porn of wrestling's best-looking
>female sluts but has trouble finding his itty bitty dick". In other
>words, instead of using the typical ASVS anti-troll tactic of wit and
>sarcasm for precision attacks, bash them a few times in the head with a
>club of logic. Brute force worked for the Russians against the Germans,
>it'll work for you in this case as well.
FUQ!!
Let's give the old boy credit; He might be from Spacebattles, but he has a
sense of humour that is sufficiently base enough and yet sufficiently
intelligent enough to function at ASVS.
Stuart Mackey
Maj Svetlanna <majsve...@aol.comspamkill> wrote in message
news:20011025042730...@mb-fl.aol.com...
> >No no no no no!!! Stuart, you're doing it all wrong!
> >
> >You are dealing with stupid, illiterate, and retarded wrestling fans.
> >They don't understand fancy terminology like "concession" and
> >"evidence". You have to speak to them in terms they will understand.
> >Terms like "idiot", "loser", "shithead", "dipshit", "cocksucker",
> >"shit-for-brains", "dickless", and my personal favorite, "fucking piece
> >of shit who masturbates at online porn of wrestling's best-looking
> >female sluts but has trouble finding his itty bitty dick". In other
> >words, instead of using the typical ASVS anti-troll tactic of wit and
> >sarcasm for precision attacks, bash them a few times in the head with a
> >club of logic. Brute force worked for the Russians against the Germans,
> >it'll work for you in this case as well.
>
>
> FUQ!!
I second that motion
> Let's give the old boy credit; He might be from Spacebattles, but he has
a
> sense of humour that is sufficiently base enough and yet sufficiently
> intelligent enough to function at ASVS.
>
True true
>
Kazuaki Shimazaki
>
> Stuart Mackey wrote:
> >
> > Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> > > Starfleet = cloaking technology
> >
> > True
They have one Defiant that got destroyed by the Breen, and one phase
cloak that never got anywhere past the episode "Pegasus".
> > > Empire = doesn't
> >
> > Yeah they do, there is a direct refernece to this in The Empire Strikes
> > Back.
>
> So why did they never use it?
Oh, they just didn't have a chance to use it in the films. They used it
in HTTE, DFR, TLC, SOTP...etc
> > > Starfleet = warp drive
> >
> > True
> >
> > > Empire = doesn't
> >
> > No they dont, they have something better, that is called Hyperdrive.
>
> Big flippin' deal. Starfleet has Transwarp technology. That's sixteen
> times more powerful and effective.
Starfleet does not have a working transwarp device. There are two types
of transwarp, one is the normal type, more like warp drive or hyperdrive
in usage, and is slower (refer to other posts for the difference). The
second type is the conduit type which IS faster than hyperdrive, but
conceptually is more equivalent to the hypergates og the Gree Enclave in
SW or even a wormhole.
> > > Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
> >
> > yes..very close distances
>
> No, very far distances. Phasers = concentrated light beams, light can
> travel wherever it damn well wants to, distance not being a factor.
LOL!
1)In space, ANY object can travel whether it wants to, distance not
being a factor.
2)Any person with an iota of scientific knowledge would know that the
phaser is NOT a concentrated light beam. You can easily see that orange
particle stream coming out, and you don't see a light beam in space
unless the photons happen to be striking you (as in, you DON'T see it
from the side), though you CAN see glowing plasma or particles from
stray photons leaking from the sides of the beam. Not to mention that
light does not go as slow as visually observable phaser beam.
3)Anybody can SEE the VISUAL evidence for themselves and see how close
in ST ships fight.
----
Now that this silliness is past, let's see a few things the EMPIRE has
that the FEDERATION doesn't...
Empire=armored vehicles
Starfleet=doesn't
Empire=artillery
Starfleet=doesn't
Empire=body armor on regular units
Starfleet=none (technically, they used body armor ONCE in ST:VI)
Empire=combined arms tactics
Starfleet=doesn't
Empire=Death Star technology
Starfleet=doesn't
empire=multi-km long ships
Starfleet=doesn't
Gee, that must mean the Empire MUST win against the Federation
(actually, that is true, but this is really crappy logic to prove it
with, won't everyone agree with the latter part?) :)
Steve Garrett Jr.
completely and utterly stupid barbarian wrestling fans?
The words you used, like "evidence", "visual", "photons", and "plasma"
are too complex for these people. You have to speak in terms they'll
understand! "Shit-for-brains", "cocksucker", "fucking idiot", etc.
*hands Big Ass Club of Harsh Logic to Kaz*
Use this, perfect for bashing in the skulls of thick-headed idiots,
performance at least equals that of Phong's Mallet of Doom Mk II.
Stuart Mackey
Kazuaki Shimazaki <kras...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:3BD7CF...@netvigator.com...
> Alex Cain wrote:
> >
> > Stuart Mackey wrote:
> > >
> > > Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> > > > Starfleet = cloaking technology
> > >
> > > True
>
> They have one Defiant that got destroyed by the Breen, and one phase
> cloak that never got anywhere past the episode "Pegasus".
Its a troll kaz
The Ma-Jin
"Stuart Mackey" <jut...@ihug.co.nz> wrote > >
> > They have one Defiant that got destroyed by the Breen, and one phase
> > cloak that never got anywhere past the episode "Pegasus".
>
> Its a troll kaz
>
No it isn't...why would you arrive to such an outrageous conclusion?
Weyoun the Dancing Borg
> > >
> > > True
> > >
> > > > Empire = doesn't
> > >
> > > No they dont, they have something better, that is called Hyperdrive.
> >
> > Big flippin' deal. Starfleet has Transwarp technology. That's sixteen
> > times more powerful and effective.
>
> Prove it.
this is a reply from alt.startrek not asvs
where the hell did he get "16" times more "powerful" and "Effective" from?
>
>
> > > > Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
> > >
> > > yes..very close distances
> >
> > No, very far distances. Phasers = concentrated light beams, light can
> > travel wherever it damn well wants to, distance not being a factor.
>
>
> Prove it
lol he isnt quite normal.
it's nadion particals actually. A phaser is not a laser. they have an
effective range of 300K km as see in "The Wounded" TNG.
>
> > >
> > > > Empire = doesn't
> > >
> > > correct, they dont have short ranged main armaments, .
> >
> > Empire suks.
>
> Failure to provide evidence for claim.
> Concession accepted.
>
LOL
although i do like his reply :) (he's in my kf)
Stuart Mackey
The Ma-Jin <mad...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Coz I am a news editor and reporter.
I have resercheed you and have pictures of you having sex with a donky.
But what is really bad about this picture is that you didnt even finish the
crack joint before you started to fuck the poor animal. Do you ralise you
could burn the poor thing with ash?
The SPCA will hear about this
Stuart Mackey
Weyoun the Dancing Borg <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote in message
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Will you kindly stop this sort of shit? first CR.....
Eleas
>>No no no no no!!! Stuart, you're doing it all wrong!
>>
>>You are dealing with stupid, illiterate, and retarded wrestling fans.
>>They don't understand fancy terminology like "concession" and
>>"evidence". You have to speak to them in terms they will understand.
>>Terms like "idiot", "loser", "shithead", "dipshit", "cocksucker",
>>"shit-for-brains", "dickless", and my personal favorite, "fucking piece
>>of shit who masturbates at online porn of wrestling's best-looking
>>female sluts but has trouble finding his itty bitty dick". In other
>>words, instead of using the typical ASVS anti-troll tactic of wit and
>>sarcasm for precision attacks, bash them a few times in the head with a
>>club of logic. Brute force worked for the Russians against the Germans,
>>it'll work for you in this case as well.
>
>
> FUQ!!
Hell yes. :)
> Let's give the old boy credit; He might be from Spacebattles, but he has a
>sense of humour that is sufficiently base enough and yet sufficiently
>intelligent enough to function at ASVS.
I've long thought of BigSteve as an ASVSer... he's smoked crack and fucked
donkeys with the best of us. :)
--
Björn
"Welcome to ASVS, where we torture our own wounded just to listen to the screams."
---Chuck
Weyoun the Dancing Borg
--
Is a computer without it's case on "Cyber-Porn"?
wey...@ntlworld.com
"Stuart Mackey" <jut...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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Eleas
NOOOO! If he's a crack smoking donkey fucker, that could mean he's an ASVSer.
Crap...
Eleas
wrote:
>
>Use this, perfect for bashing in the skulls of thick-headed idiots,
>performance at least equals that of Phong's Mallet of Doom Mk II.
>
Oh, shit. Goodbye, Steve. Fun knowing you. :)
Stuart Mackey
Weyoun the Dancing Borg <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote in message
> cr was an accident. this is revenge.
what for?
Stuart Mackey
Eleas <fenix...@askme.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 25 Oct 2001 21:57:25 +1300, "Stuart Mackey" <jut...@ihug.co.nz>
wrote:
>
> >
> >The Ma-Jin <mad...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:9r8kb3$69p$1...@news.umbc.edu...
> >>
> >> "Stuart Mackey" <jut...@ihug.co.nz> wrote > >
> >> > > They have one Defiant that got destroyed by the Breen, and one
phase
> >> > > cloak that never got anywhere past the episode "Pegasus".
> >> >
> >> > Its a troll kaz
> >> >
> >>
> >> No it isn't...why would you arrive to such an outrageous conclusion?
> >>
> >
> >Coz I am a news editor and reporter.
> >I have resercheed you and have pictures of you having sex with a donky.
> >But what is really bad about this picture is that you didnt even finish
the
> >crack joint before you started to fuck the poor animal. Do you ralise you
> >could burn the poor thing with ash?
> >The SPCA will hear about this
>
> NOOOO! If he's a crack smoking donkey fucker, that could mean he's an
ASVSer.
> Crap...
nope, weyoun let it into the stables, and yes I have that on tape as well
Troll's are not ASVS'ers
Weyoun the Dancing Borg
does it matter?
i just felt like a famous action star saying that :)
Stuart Mackey
Weyoun the Dancing Borg <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote in message
> > what for?
>
> does it matter?
>
> i just felt like a famous action star saying that :)
>
Ok, you have to *stop smoking dope*
put down the joint and step away from it with your hands behind your head.
you may experience some strange side effects from not smoking the wakey
bakky, this is normall so do not be alarmed. everyone feels pain when there
is a bayonet in thier stomach.
Kazuaki Shimazaki
> it's nadion particals actually. A phaser is not a laser. they have an
> effective range of 300K km as see in "The Wounded" TNG.
IIRC, it is a photorp.
Kazuaki Shimazaki
>
> Dammit, am I going to have to start giving classes on arguing with
> completely and utterly stupid barbarian wrestling fans?
>
> The words you used, like "evidence", "visual", "photons", and "plasma"
> are too complex for these people. You have to speak in terms they'll
> understand! "Shit-for-brains", "cocksucker", "fucking idiot", etc.
>
> *hands Big Ass Club of Harsh Logic to Kaz*
>
> Use this, perfect for bashing in the skulls of thick-headed idiots,
> performance at least equals that of Phong's Mallet of Doom Mk II.
I'll try...it is just that I hadn't met opponents of such dumb
intelligence levels before, so my systems misjudged them as being
salvageable...
Weyoun the Dancing Borg
and its wacky not wakey
--
Is a computer without it's case on "Cyber-Porn"?
wey...@ntlworld.com
"Stuart Mackey" <jut...@ihug.co.nz> wrote in message
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Weyoun the Dancing Borg
phasers have a range of 300K km as seen in The Wounded
the torpedoe was seen later.
--
Is a computer without it's case on "Cyber-Porn"?
"Kazuaki Shimazaki" <kras...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Setzer 2438
>Empire = doesn't
The Empire has cloaking technology, read Heir to the Empire", when Thrawn
installs a cloaking device on the Chimera.
>
>Starfleet = warp drive
>Empire = doesn't
Oh,I agree with that. They left that inefficient and slow technology behind, if
they ever had it at all. In TPM, Darth Maul traveled from Coruscant, near the
galactic core, to Tatooine, in the boon docks of the SW galaxy, in a few days.
>
>Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
Yeah, 300KM, as shown in the wounded.
>Empire = doesn't
Setzer 2438
sixteen
>> > times more powerful and effective.
It took a Borg cube 6 months to make it from Borg space in the Delta quadrant
to Wolf 359 in the Alpha Quadrant. An ISD, traveling at 1E7c, 127 LY per hour,
according to Dark Force Rising, could do that in a week.
Stuart Mackey
Weyoun the Dancing Borg <wey...@ntlworld.com.despam> wrote in message
> yeah whatever.
>
> and its wacky not wakey
>
> --
wow, thats insightfull. care to enlighten us with more wisdom oh speller of
the ages?
Chris O'Farrell
> Alex Cain wrote:
> >
> > Stuart Mackey wrote:
> > >
> > > Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> > > > Starfleet = cloaking technology
> > >
> > > True
>
> They have one Defiant that got destroyed by the Breen, and one phase
> cloak that never got anywhere past the episode "Pegasus".
Actualy only becasue legaly the UFP can't do it. Not that they don't bend
the rules when they need too. Recall the self replicating mine field, EACH
of the tiny things had its own bloody cloak. If anything SF is more advanced
in that area, they legaly just can't use it (not that the romulans were
issuing an offical complaint given their wish to let the Dominion and UFP
fight it out)
Kazuaki Shimazaki
Maybe, but can't and won't are very similar concepts in a fast war
between Federation and Empire (the most likely scenario). By the time
they change won't to will, they CAN'T :)
ViNNY
news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> Starfleet = cloaking technology
> Empire = doesn't
>
> Starfleet = warp drive
> Empire = doesn't
>
> Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
> Empire = doesn't
Starfleet = in the future
Empire = a long, long time ago
-Vin
Weyoun the Dancing Borg
according to End Game. big deal.
--
Is a computer without it's case on "Cyber-Porn"?
wey...@ntlworld.com
"Setzer 2438" <setze...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Kazuaki Shimazaki
That would have been a good argument, except this is ASVS, where they
have to fight despite the supposed era difference :)
Cmdrwilkens
wrote:
>
> >
> >The Ma-Jin <mad...@aol.com> wrote in message
> >news:9r8kb3$69p$1...@news.umbc.edu...
> >>
> >> "Stuart Mackey" <jut...@ihug.co.nz> wrote > >
> >> > > They have one Defiant that got destroyed by the Breen, and one
phase
> >> > > cloak that never got anywhere past the episode "Pegasus".
> >> >
> >> > Its a troll kaz
> >> >
> >>
> >> No it isn't...why would you arrive to such an outrageous conclusion?
> >>
> >
> >Coz I am a news editor and reporter.
> >I have resercheed you and have pictures of you having sex with a donky.
> >But what is really bad about this picture is that you didnt even finish
the
> >crack joint before you started to fuck the poor animal. Do you ralise you
> >could burn the poor thing with ash?
> >The SPCA will hear about this
>
> NOOOO! If he's a crack smoking donkey fucker, that could mean he's an
ASVSer.
> Crap...
>
I think this will be my greatest legacy,now ain't that sad.
--
Lcpl Burnett, G.R
USMCR
Engineer Company A, 6th EngnrSptBN, 4th FSSG
"Everyone needs money, that's why its called MONEY."
-Danny Devito from "Heist"
Cmdrwilkens
news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
Well I just had to post my 2 cents, after all its just enjoyable to screw
with the uneducated.
> Starfleet = cloaking technology
> Empire = doesn't
Your ability to gather and organize data from the wealth of sources
representing the totality of Star Trek and Star Wars canon used to reach
this conclusion is impressive at the least and demands immediate attention
from the highest authorities so that they might realize that George Lucas
was wrong when Darth Maul got a cloaking device.
>
> Starfleet = warp drive
> Empire = doesn't
Which just begs the question are you Dennis Leary? Because he's about the
only person I could think of who would argue for the use of an engine which
is:
1) Slower
2) Strategically and Tactically stupid (how hard is it to detect a ship at
warp?)
3) Destroying the fabric of space-time.
> Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
> Empire = doesn't
Once again I aplaud your ability to collect data to the point of noting that
every major engagement of ST forces, excepting The Wounded, has occured at a
range of under a dozen kilometers while the battle of Endor occurred at
ovwer 100km plus which would seem to indicate a rather disparate situation
as to the tactical effectiveness of weapons. in other words where's the
beef...I mean data? Besides crammed up your ass by the donkey's cock I mean.
Dalton
>
> Starfleet = cloaking technology
>
> Starfleet = warp drive
> Empire = Hyperdrive capability up to 100 million c
>
> Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
Modified.
--
Rob "Roby" Dalton
http://daltonator.net
"Toast isn't a beverage, sir." --El Boydo, Chapter 5
Matthew Hyde
RSPW folks hate, aren't you? *picks up Chad Bryant's bloated carcass and
whacks you in the head with it*
Check out this guy's history, all the RSPW'rs put together might equal
one Paul Jacques.
Matthew Hyde
Matthew Hyde
>
> yeah whatever.
>
> and its wacky not wakey
>
off, mmmmkay?"
--
Matt Hyde
http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy
Matthew Hyde
Matthew Hyde
trekno-particles" and not strictly light?
Matthew Hyde
>
>
> nope, weyoun let it into the stables, and yes I have that on tape as well
> Troll's are not ASVS'ers
So that's why he doesn't have the technique down....
--
Matt "Don't make me use my Donkey-Style on you" Hyde
http://www.mathlab.mtu.edu/~mdoughy
Matthew Hyde
fucking etards. At least they hate Alex Cain there. IIRC. Maybe he led a
coup d'etat and became their ruler.
Matthew Hyde
(First Citicorp in Manhattan will do--Rob, take charge eh), then tie him
to the counterbalance.
Matthew Hyde
Yes, Vin, but as you travel through space, you also travel through time.
There is no "absolute starting place" in different galaxies, so this
line of reasoning is faulty, to put it politely. Less politely, I fucked
your mom last night.
Matthew Hyde
>
> Ignore this tool, he's invading from RSPW
Ah, I see you all reached this conclusion already. Sorry, I just got
here, and IIRC Alex works in a convenience store, or used to, and
everyone hates him. It's possible that he's the Mark Sheppard of RSPW
Kazuaki Shimazaki
>
> Isn't it canon that phasers are "some-trekno-particle-jacketed more
> trekno-particles" and not strictly light?
Whatever a phaser is, it CAN'T be light. Light doesn't move that slow,
nor should it be visible unless it is heading straight into your
eyeballs.
Paradox
> > Stuart Mackey wrote:
> > >
> > > Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> > > > Starfleet = cloaking technology
> > >
> > >
> > > > Empire = doesn't
> > >
> > > Yeah they do, there is a direct refernece to this in The Empire
Strikes
> > > Back.
> >
> > So why did they never use it?
>
> May be cause its been banned by Palpy?
yeah they did, TIE Fighter Expansion pack, the entire Vorknix Project had to
do with a cloaking device used by Thrawn to catch the Rogue Admiral Zaarin
Sir Nitram
original>
You know it's bad when Weyoun is the one to warn you of this sort of insanity.
Concentrated light beams! Do these people even watch the damn shows?
Begone troll! Begone already!
------------------------------------
SirNitram
ASVS Small Gods Keeper and Amateur Genius
"We can reconstitute dead friends and lovers. Those who were us, can be yours
again. We will make you Gods amongst your people!"
-Last words of the Beast.
Ensign Jimmy
<snip>
Hello, <clueless newbie/new person/random denizen of usenet> welcome to ASVS.
Undoubtedly people more qualified to greet you than myself have already greeted
you, but I thought I'd just hop on the bandwagon.
Enjoy your stay here and remember to <read the FAQ/read the goddamned FAQ/READ
THE GODDAMNED FAQ, FUCKWIT!> (http://www.asvs.org)
Regards,
The One, the Only: Retired Red-Shirt Jimmy.
P.S.
<bite me/don't forget your asbestos/fuck you!/sideways/with a rusty
jackhammer.>
Ensign Jimmy
>Starfleet = in the future
>Empire = a long, long time ago
Don't quite know what this has to do with anything. A sophisticated 25,000
year old civilization that existed 3,000 years ago will still be more powerful
than a three-hundred year old one that exists 500 years in the future.
Oh, wait, you must be one of those new guys from the rasslin' group. In that
case, lemme couch it in monosyllabic grunts. Ready?
u r a fucking retard.
The One, The Only: Retired Red-Shirt Jimmy
Observer
Enigma
> > -Vin
>
> Yes, Vin, but as you travel through space, you also travel through time.
> There is no "absolute starting place" in different galaxies, so this
> line of reasoning is faulty, to put it politely. Less politely, I fucked
> your mom last night.
>
looks like. *heaves uncontrollably*
I was about to do the same with his mother until I realized that it was actually
him. Unless his mother also has a shrivelled schlong......
--
"I looked straight at Koko's brown eyes and said 'I love you Koko. I love you
Koko.' She then stretched out her hand and grabbed my balls."
-William Shatner "A&E Biography 'William Shatner: Captain's Log'"
Enigma
news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> Starfleet = cloaking technology
> Empire = doesn't
>
> Starfleet = warp drive
> Empire = doesn't
>
You are a waste of space. The amount of food you consume could have instead fed
an entire third world country for a year.
> Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
> Empire = doesn't
You can't piss from distances. Even if you forced it you'll only manage to piss
down your leg instead of into a toilet.
I believe you are one of Weyoun's ass suckers. I would have said that you were
one of Weyoun's cocksuckers but as it is well known to everybody that Weyoun has
no dick. In fact that is the reason he is gay, for he can't screw a women nor
will they give him the time of day. Therefore he has to settle for dickless
retards like you and your wrestling buddies to suck his ass and do whatever he
commands.
Go away.
Enigma
news:3BD8234A...@mtu.edu...
> Ignore this tool, he's invading from RSPW
Really Small Penis Wobblers?
Crayz9000
found <3BD7C4...@yahoo.com> on Thu, 25 Oct 2001 07:51:16 GMT...
>Starfleet = cloaking technology
>Empire = doesn't
"No ship that small has a cloaking device" - Captain Needa, The Empire
Strikes Back
"Don't you have a cloaking device?" - Qui-Gon, The Phantom Menace
>Starfleet = warp drive
>Empire = doesn't
Empire - hyperdrive, cross a galaxy in only a few weeks
>Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
>Empire = doesn't
Empire - Death Star II without exhaust port, blow up Earth from a very *big*
distance
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Crayz9000
<wolfp...@cfl.rr.com> found <3BD7D2F5...@cfl.rr.com> on Thu, 25 Oct
2001 08:53:10 GMT...
>Dammit, am I going to have to start giving classes on arguing with
>completely and utterly stupid barbarian wrestling fans?
>
>The words you used, like "evidence", "visual", "photons", and "plasma"
>are too complex for these people. You have to speak in terms they'll
>understand! "Shit-for-brains", "cocksucker", "fucking idiot", etc.
>
>*hands Big Ass Club of Harsh Logic to Kaz*
>
>Use this, perfect for bashing in the skulls of thick-headed idiots,
>performance at least equals that of Phong's Mallet of Doom Mk II.
Watch me! I honed this art in alt.alien.vampire.flonk.flonk! It's called
mocking!
ViNNY
news:3BD7FA...@netvigator.com...
Take the Empire of 2500 AD and pit them against Starfleet. Kirk and his
pussy transporter buddies wouldn't stand a chance.
-Vin
Phong Nguyen
> <!doctype html public "-//w3c//dtd html 4.0 transitional//en">
>
Aiee! HTML post!
Enigma
Chris
news:20011025120652...@mb-mv.aol.com...
> <Snip fifty some pages of insanity. And Dalton's funny rewording of the
> original>
>
> You know it's bad when Weyoun is the one to warn you of this sort of
insanity.
> Concentrated light beams! Do these people even watch the damn shows?
>
> Begone troll! Begone already!
> ------------------------------------
match over and over again until the next one came on. Either that, or there
too busy trying to screw there dog to notice anything else.
Chris
--
"I love deadlines. I like the whooshing sound they make as they fly by".
Douglas Adams
"Tell a man there are 300 billion stars in the universe and he'll believe
you. Tell him a seat has wet paint on it and he'll have to touch it to be
sure."
ViNNY
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> "ViNNY" <vi...@vinnyworld.zzn.com> wrote in message
> news:9r9h5i$joo$0...@pita.alt.net...
> > "Kazuaki Shimazaki" <kras...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
> > news:3BD7FA...@netvigator.com...
> > > ViNNY wrote:
> > > >
> > > > "Alex Cain" <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> > > >
> > > > > Starfleet = cloaking technology
> > > > > Empire = doesn't
> > > > >
> > > > > Starfleet = warp drive
> > > > > Empire = doesn't
> > > > >
> > > > > Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
> > > > > Empire = doesn't
> > > >
> > > > Starfleet = in the future
> > > > Empire = a long, long time ago
> > >
> > > That would have been a good argument, except this is ASVS, where they
> > > have to fight despite the supposed era difference :)
> >
> > Take the Empire of 2500 AD and pit them against Starfleet. Kirk and his
> > pussy transporter buddies wouldn't stand a chance.
> >
> Aren't you supposed to be working with cement? Like wearing cement shoes?
Blow me while I shit.
-Vin
Matthew Hyde
>
> Blow me while I shit.
>
> -Vin
ah, a fan of the Angry Dragon, I see.
Mark Mauro
pissed off postal employees, gave them phasers and turned them loose on the
Empire.
Starfleet won
Kazuaki Shimazaki <kras...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
news:3BD7CF...@netvigator.com...
> Alex Cain wrote:
> >
> > Stuart Mackey wrote:
> > >
> > > Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> > > > Starfleet = cloaking technology
> > >
> > > True
>
> They have one Defiant that got destroyed by the Breen, and one phase
> cloak that never got anywhere past the episode "Pegasus".
>
> > > > Empire = doesn't
> > >
> > > Yeah they do, there is a direct refernece to this in The Empire
Strikes
> > > Back.
> >
> > So why did they never use it?
>
> Oh, they just didn't have a chance to use it in the films. They used it
> in HTTE, DFR, TLC, SOTP...etc
>
> > > > Starfleet = warp drive
> > >
> > > True
> > >
> > > > Empire = doesn't
> > >
> > > No they dont, they have something better, that is called Hyperdrive.
> >
> > Big flippin' deal. Starfleet has Transwarp technology. That's sixteen
> > times more powerful and effective.
>
> Starfleet does not have a working transwarp device. There are two types
> of transwarp, one is the normal type, more like warp drive or hyperdrive
> in usage, and is slower (refer to other posts for the difference). The
> second type is the conduit type which IS faster than hyperdrive, but
> conceptually is more equivalent to the hypergates og the Gree Enclave in
> SW or even a wormhole.
>
> > > > Starfleet = phasers, able to shoot from distances
> > >
> > > yes..very close distances
> >
> > No, very far distances. Phasers = concentrated light beams, light can
> > travel wherever it damn well wants to, distance not being a factor.
>
> LOL!
>
> 1)In space, ANY object can travel whether it wants to, distance not
> being a factor.
>
> 2)Any person with an iota of scientific knowledge would know that the
> phaser is NOT a concentrated light beam. You can easily see that orange
> particle stream coming out, and you don't see a light beam in space
> unless the photons happen to be striking you (as in, you DON'T see it
> from the side), though you CAN see glowing plasma or particles from
> stray photons leaking from the sides of the beam. Not to mention that
> light does not go as slow as visually observable phaser beam.
>
> 3)Anybody can SEE the VISUAL evidence for themselves and see how close
> in ST ships fight.
> ----
>
> Now that this silliness is past, let's see a few things the EMPIRE has
> that the FEDERATION doesn't...
>
> Empire=armored vehicles
> Starfleet=doesn't
>
> Empire=artillery
> Starfleet=doesn't
>
> Empire=body armor on regular units
> Starfleet=none (technically, they used body armor ONCE in ST:VI)
>
> Empire=combined arms tactics
> Starfleet=doesn't
>
> Empire=Death Star technology
> Starfleet=doesn't
>
> empire=multi-km long ships
> Starfleet=doesn't
>
> Gee, that must mean the Empire MUST win against the Federation
> (actually, that is true, but this is really crappy logic to prove it
> with, won't everyone agree with the latter part?) :)
>
Steve Garrett Jr.
> Y'all are missing the facts.. Starfleet went back in time, captured a few
> pissed off postal employees, gave them phasers and turned them loose on the
> Empire.
> Starfleet won
Woh, in which movie and/or TV series did this happen? That would be fun
to watch. :-p
--
Sorry, it's a character trait: I can't respect idiots.
"Silly Trekkies, always looking for the most difficult and technical
explanation possible..." - Garrett "Slacker" Petersen, professional
slacker and Spacebattles regular
"The weak shall inherit the earth - about ten cubic meters of it over
their coffins!" - Pirate phrase, BattleTech Field Manual: Periphery
Stephen Garrett Jr.
a.k.a. "Big" Steve, Spacebattles regular, and Slayer of Fools (and
grieving son)
Cmdrwilkens
news:43cf5888.01102...@posting.google.com...
> "ViNNY" <vi...@vinnyworld.zzn.com> wrote in message
news:<9r8rck$qac$0...@dosa.alt.net>...
> > "Alex Cain" <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:3BD7C4...@yahoo.com...
> >
> > Starfleet = in the future
> > Empire = a long, long time ago
> >
>
No, this is the wrong group for that, unless you want to speak to a former
falme bait named CR.
--
Lcpl Burnett, G.R
USMCR
Engineer Company A, 6th EngnrSptBN, 4th FSSG
"Everyone needs money, that's why its called MONEY."
-Danny Devito from "Heist"
Setzer 2438
>according to End Game. big deal.
While in a transwarp conduit. Have we ever heard anything about a transwarp
conduit constructed near Earth, or anywhere in the AQ for that matter?
Cmdrwilkens
My last answer was too long, here's the short version:
NO
--
Lcpl Burnett, G.R
USMCR
Bridge Company A, 6th EngnrSptBN, 4th FSSG
Steve Garrett Jr.
> I've long thought of BigSteve as an ASVSer... he's smoked crack and fucked
> donkeys with the best of us. :)
I'll take that as a compliment. :-)
Stuart Mackey
Matthew Hyde <mdo...@mtu.edu> wrote in message
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> SM, if Weyoun smoked pot, he'd show more smarts eh
must have gone for the glue then
Weyoun the Dancing Borg
wacky baccy
backy (many ddifferent spellings, it's slang)
wacky is the correct term.
wakey wakey is what u say to wake someone up. if something is wacky it's
strange. hense wacky baccy
--
Is a computer without it's case on "Cyber-Porn"?
"Matthew Hyde" <mdo...@mtu.edu> wrote in message
news:3BD823C9...@mtu.edu...
> Weyoun the Dancing Borg wrote:
> >
> > yeah whatever.
> >
> > and its wacky not wakey
> >
> No, it's "wakey," as in "Don't light up as soon as the alarm clock goes
> off, mmmmkay?"
Weyoun the Dancing Borg
galalxy in a matter of minutes.
as for why they never used it: i dont really care.
--
Is a computer without it's case on "Cyber-Porn"?
wey...@ntlworld.com
"Setzer 2438" <setze...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Enigma
not constitute a penis. Sorry but that is life, dipshit.
Eleas
wrote:
>Eleas wrote:
>
>> I've long thought of BigSteve as an ASVSer... he's smoked crack and fucked
>> donkeys with the best of us. :)
>
>
>I'll take that as a compliment. :-)
Oh, it is... :)
--
Björn
"Welcome to ASVS, where we torture our own wounded just to listen to the screams."
---Chuck
Eleas
wrote:
>Mark Mauro wrote:
>
>> Y'all are missing the facts.. Starfleet went back in time, captured a few
>> pissed off postal employees, gave them phasers and turned them loose on the
>> Empire.
>> Starfleet won
>
>
>Woh, in which movie and/or TV series did this happen? That would be fun
>to watch. :-p
Well, it's an even chance of it happening in Enterprise, wouldn't you agree?
ViNNY
Good answer! Did your mommy help you work on it?
-Vin
Steve Garrett Jr.
>>But first you must have a dick. Having an ice-cream cone glued to yourself
>>
> does
>
>>not constitute a penis. Sorry but that is life, dipshit.
>>
>
> Good answer! Did your mommy help you work on it?
Nah, you see, we don't need our parents to help us along. You, on the other hand, are much different. You should go to your mommy now so she can change your diaper.
Kamakazie Sith
> Starfleet = cloaking technology
> Empire = doesn't
The Empire does have cloaking devices.
> Starfleet = warp drive
> Empire = doesn't
Hyperdrive is much faster
Starfleet could never hope to deal with the Imperial Starfleet, there
numbers are too great, and the speed advantage is also too great. The
only thing Starfleet can do is make it too costly for the Empire to
remain in the galaxy, thus they would have to start there are rebel
alliance, and wage a guerilla war.
AndrewT
Kamakazie Sith wrote in message
<89c4bcfd.01102...@posting.google.com>...
>Starfleet could never hope to deal with the Imperial Starfleet, there
>numbers are too great, and the speed advantage is also too great. The
>only thing Starfleet can do is make it too costly for the Empire to
>remain in the galaxy, thus they would have to start there are rebel
>alliance, and wage a guerilla war.
Have you read Wong's latest update at StarDestroyer.net ? It discusses this
possibility.
Cernunnos
news:89c4bcfd.01102...@posting.google.com...
> Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:<3BD7C4...@yahoo.com>...
> > Starfleet = cloaking technology
> > Empire = doesn't
>
> The Empire does have cloaking devices.
>
> > Starfleet = warp drive
> > Empire = doesn't
>
> Hyperdrive is much faster
yes, but much more dangerous, less accurate, also it takes you outside of
normal space where scanners and what not do not work. Federation ships are
slower, but they would have hyperdrive available to them within like three
days of a conflict with the empire.
> Starfleet could never hope to deal with the Imperial Starfleet, there
> numbers are too great, and the speed advantage is also too great. The
> only thing Starfleet can do is make it too costly for the Empire to
> remain in the galaxy, thus they would have to start there are rebel
> alliance, and wage a guerilla war.
The weapon advantages alone would keep the federation going in this war.
Thats not even taking their massive shielding into account. Or taking the
new Voyager technology into account either.
Chris
news:uggC7.133$Ht5....@sapphire.mtt.net...
> "Kamakazie Sith" <sit...@aol.com> wrote in message
> news:89c4bcfd.01102...@posting.google.com...
> > Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:<3BD7C4...@yahoo.com>...
> > > Starfleet = cloaking technology
> > > Empire = doesn't
> >
> > The Empire does have cloaking devices.
> >
> > > Starfleet = warp drive
> > > Empire = doesn't
> >
> > Hyperdrive is much faster
>
> yes, but much more dangerous, less accurate, also it takes you outside of
> normal space where scanners and what not do not work. Federation ships
are
> slower, but they would have hyperdrive available to them within like three
> days of a conflict with the empire.
Proof that Starfleet is remotely compitent enough to get hyperdrive tech
from the empire.
> > Starfleet could never hope to deal with the Imperial Starfleet, there
> > numbers are too great, and the speed advantage is also too great. The
> > only thing Starfleet can do is make it too costly for the Empire to
> > remain in the galaxy, thus they would have to start there are rebel
> > alliance, and wage a guerilla war.
>
> The weapon advantages alone would keep the federation going in this war.
> Thats not even taking their massive shielding into account. Or taking the
> new Voyager technology into account either.
>
>
Proof that ST sheilding is better than SW sheilding.
Cernunnos
news:9rc3ks$geo$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca...
> "Cernunnos" <Cern...@ns.sympatico.can> wrote in message
> news:uggC7.133$Ht5....@sapphire.mtt.net...
> > "Kamakazie Sith" <sit...@aol.com> wrote in message
> > news:89c4bcfd.01102...@posting.google.com...
> > > Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> > news:<3BD7C4...@yahoo.com>...
> > > > Starfleet = cloaking technology
> > > > Empire = doesn't
> > >
> > > The Empire does have cloaking devices.
> > >
> > > > Starfleet = warp drive
> > > > Empire = doesn't
> > >
> > > Hyperdrive is much faster
> >
> > yes, but much more dangerous, less accurate, also it takes you outside
of
> > normal space where scanners and what not do not work. Federation ships
> are
> > slower, but they would have hyperdrive available to them within like
three
> > days of a conflict with the empire.
>
> Proof that Starfleet is remotely compitent enough to get hyperdrive tech
> from the empire.
I think the word you are fumbling for is "proove"
They have lifted alien technology quite a few times. they managed to get
the experimental jem'hadar ship, the breen weapon. And that was just the
DS9 crew. i imagine with a mildly competant crew they could do more. Heck
with Voyager they would probably have chewie working in engineering.
After the phasers drill their way through a star destroyer or 50 they would
send a survey team over grab the technology and voila.
'
>
> > > Starfleet could never hope to deal with the Imperial Starfleet, there
> > > numbers are too great, and the speed advantage is also too great. The
> > > only thing Starfleet can do is make it too costly for the Empire to
> > > remain in the galaxy, thus they would have to start there are rebel
> > > alliance, and wage a guerilla war.
> >
> > The weapon advantages alone would keep the federation going in this war.
> > Thats not even taking their massive shielding into account. Or taking
the
> > new Voyager technology into account either.
> >
> >
> Proof that ST sheilding is better than SW sheilding.
Well, the one time lasers were mentioned in Star Trek TNG Worf nearly fell
off of his little perch laughing at them. Seems the shields they use to
keep matter and radiation from piercing the hull are strong enough to deal
with lasers. Also since after Voyager the Federation would have those nifty
batmobile like shields that the borg couldnt drill through available fleet
wide. The shields should be more than adequate.
Namothil
>
>"Chris" <car...@chat.despamcarleton.ca> wrote in message
>news:9rc3ks$geo$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca...
>> "Cernunnos" <Cern...@ns.sympatico.can> wrote in message
>> news:uggC7.133$Ht5....@sapphire.mtt.net...
>> > "Kamakazie Sith" <sit...@aol.com> wrote in message
>> > news:89c4bcfd.01102...@posting.google.com...
>> > > Alex Cain <alex...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> > news:<3BD7C4...@yahoo.com>...
>> from the empire.
>
>I think the word you are fumbling for is "proove"
>
>They have lifted alien technology quite a few times. they managed to get
>the experimental jem'hadar ship, the breen weapon. And that was just the
>DS9 crew. i imagine with a mildly competant crew they could do more. Heck
>with Voyager they would probably have chewie working in engineering.
And in all cases the technology was from a tech base comparable to their own.
Provide proof that hyperdrive can be duplicated with a ST level tech base.
>After the phasers drill their way through a star destroyer or 50 they would
>send a survey team over grab the technology and voila.
Prerequisite for this is that the phasers drill through a star destroyer.
Provide
proof that they have sufficient power.
>> Proof that ST sheilding is better than SW sheilding.
>
>Well, the one time lasers were mentioned in Star Trek TNG Worf nearly fell
>off of his little perch laughing at them.
Irrelevant, as turbolasers are not lasers.
>Seems the shields they use to
>keep matter and radiation from piercing the hull are strong enough to deal
>with lasers.
And still irrelevant.
>Also since after Voyager the Federation would have those nifty
>batmobile like shields that the borg couldnt drill through available fleet
>wide.
Assuming distribution of a system without any idea of the costs/material
requirements is idiotic. More information is needed before such a claim
can reasonably be made.
>The shields should be more than adequate.
Insufficient proof. Provide proof that:
1. Borg weapons are equal to or more powerful than an ISDs TLs.
2. The Borg were completely unable to pierce these shields.
3. These shields were distributed to the fleet.
Who is wise and understanding among you? Let him show by good
conduct that his works are done in the meekness of wisdom.
James 3:13
Kamakazie Sith
Yes I have, but you don't need to. When you consider all of the above
that is the only conclusion.
Enigma
news:3BD91D9E...@cfl.rr.com...
> ViNNY wrote:
>
> >>But first you must have a dick. Having an ice-cream cone glued to yourself
> >>
> > does
> >
> >>not constitute a penis. Sorry but that is life, dipshit.
> >>
> >
> > Good answer! Did your mommy help you work on it?
>
>
> Nah, you see, we don't need our parents to help us along. You, on the other
hand, are much different. You should go to your mommy now so she can change
your diaper.
>
Puhleeze! His mother hasn't the intellingence to change his diaper let alone to
menstruate. That's why he's a product of an disease ridden ass (i.e. donkey) and
a redneck pig fucker.
Matthew Hyde
Now, this is more believable. Were I a firefighter, I would be against
pot. But I'm not, I'm in math. :)
Matthew Hyde
>
> in the context of his post
>
> wacky baccy
>
> backy (many ddifferent spellings, it's slang)
>
> wacky is the correct term.
>
> wakey wakey is what u say to wake someone up. if something is wacky it's
> strange. hense wacky baccy
the fuck? You're far too fucking stupid to be on pot, I'd tell you to
get your nose out of that paint can if I thought it would do you any
good. "Wacky tobacky" is a cheesemo slang term for leaf. "Wakey bakey"
is what you do before school in the morning. Now, please tell me what
relevance this has in ST vs. SW terms, or kindly go plant your lips
around an exhaust pipe.
Cernunnos
news:KhhC7.1696$xS6....@www.newsranger.com...
> In article <IUgC7.140$Ht5....@sapphire.mtt.net>, Cernunnos says...
> >
> >"Chris" <car...@chat.despamcarleton.ca> wrote in message
> >news:9rc3ks$geo$1...@bertrand.ccs.carleton.ca...
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> >> Proof that Starfleet is remotely compitent enough to get hyperdrive
tech
> >> from the empire.
> >
> >I think the word you are fumbling for is "proove"
> >
> >They have lifted alien technology quite a few times. they managed to get
> >the experimental jem'hadar ship, the breen weapon. And that was just the
> >DS9 crew. i imagine with a mildly competant crew they could do more.
Heck
> >with Voyager they would probably have chewie working in engineering.
>
> And in all cases the technology was from a tech base comparable to their
own.
> Provide proof that hyperdrive can be duplicated with a ST level tech base.
They deal with technology from different bases all the time. Its in their
job description.
>
> >After the phasers drill their way through a star destroyer or 50 they
would
> >send a survey team over grab the technology and voila.
>
> Prerequisite for this is that the phasers drill through a star destroyer.
> Provide
> proof that they have sufficient power.
Star destroyers have little or no shielding compared to a federation ship.
It would be the equvalent of the phasers hitting base metal. Which we have
seen in the past totally disintigrates on contact.
>
> >> Proof that ST sheilding is better than SW sheilding.
> >
> >Well, the one time lasers were mentioned in Star Trek TNG Worf nearly
fell
> >off of his little perch laughing at them.
>
> Irrelevant, as turbolasers are not lasers.
And they are called lasers for what reason?
laser n : Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation; produces
an intense monochromatic beam of coherent light
turbo-
pref.
Turbine: turbocharger.
Driven by a turbine: turbojet.
>
> >Seems the shields they use to
> >keep matter and radiation from piercing the hull are strong enough to
deal
> >with lasers.
>
> And still irrelevant.
How so? Lasers have no effect on Federation ships. The shields can (and
have been) configured to fly through the corona of a star.
Also after the Dominion war the electrical systems of Starfleet ships are
impervious to attacks that would do that.
>
> >Also since after Voyager the Federation would have those nifty
> >batmobile like shields that the borg couldnt drill through available
fleet
> >wide.
>
> Assuming distribution of a system without any idea of the costs/material
> requirements is idiotic. More information is needed before such a claim
> can reasonably be made.
>
> >The shields should be more than adequate.
>
> Insufficient proof. Provide proof that:
> 1. Borg weapons are equal to or more powerful than an ISDs TLs.
The borg not as powerful as ISD? ROFL.
> 2. The Borg were completely unable to pierce these shields.
apparently you were unable to see the voyager finale. These shields were
mean SOB's
> 3. These shields were distributed to the fleet.
They would be. If a ship in the middle of nowhere can slap these shields
togeather in a few days, the shipyards could have them as standard equipment
in a month. Fact of the matter is they are too valuable not to have.
Cmdrwilkens
Actually he just should have put a question mark at the end of the sentence.
> They have lifted alien technology quite a few times. they managed to get
> the experimental jem'hadar ship, the breen weapon. And that was just the
> DS9 crew. i imagine with a mildly competant crew they could do more.
Heck
> with Voyager they would probably have chewie working in engineering.
>
Okay all of the above examples involve technology that encompasses the same
degree of scientific knowledge, it doesn't require a whole new field of
learning. Additionally in over a hundred years of trying to get transwarp to
work they haven't really been able to and even when 7o9 gave up all her Borg
knowledge Voyager was unable to truly control transwapr which obviously
holds great promise for a new drive system based on a completely different
set of principles AND requiring sensor technology light years beyond what
the Federation has.
> After the phasers drill their way through a star destroyer or 50 they
would
> send a survey team over grab the technology and voila.
This MIGHT happen if:
1) The ISD was abandoned with no crew
2) The reactor was missing
3) They had already stripped all of the armor
4) Internal bulkheads had been removed
5) The self-destruct was gone
6) The hyperdrive was disabled
7) The Feds could even find it.
In other words it ain't gonna happen. While one of the seven might occur
having two of them would be so ludicrous that it doesn't even deserve
mention.
>
> >
> > > > Starfleet could never hope to deal with the Imperial Starfleet,
there
> > > > numbers are too great, and the speed advantage is also too great.
The
> > > > only thing Starfleet can do is make it too costly for the Empire to
> > > > remain in the galaxy, thus they would have to start there are rebel
> > > > alliance, and wage a guerilla war.
> > >
> > > The weapon advantages alone would keep the federation going in this
war.
> > > Thats not even taking their massive shielding into account. Or taking
> the
> > > new Voyager technology into account either.
> > >
> > >
> > Proof that ST sheilding is better than SW sheilding.
>
>
> Well, the one time lasers were mentioned in Star Trek TNG Worf nearly
fell
> off of his little perch laughing at them. Seems the shields they use to
> keep matter and radiation from piercing the hull are strong enough to deal
> with lasers. Also since after Voyager the Federation would have those
nifty
> batmobile like shields that the borg couldnt drill through available fleet
> wide. The shields should be more than adequate.
Since of course you have provided firepower calculations? Oh wait that's
right you haven't even bothered trying to adress what happens to said
batmobile armor when its hit by hundreds of beams able to vaporize a 40m
Ni-Fe asteroid in a quarter second while being hammered with dozens of guns
mounted for exponentially more firepower each shot.
As to lasers the SW weaponry is Blaster technolgy, yes even Turbolasers
since turbocharging something involves introducing high energy gas,
otherwise we would be unable to view the bolts from any direction other than
straight on. Anyway go read up on the Outrageous Okana fallacy elsewhere
before I mention how the Lysians rocked the E-D with a 5.2 (or was it 5.1)
MJ laser.
Graeme Dice
>
> "Namothil" <nos...@newsranger.com> wrote in message
> news:KhhC7.1696$xS6....@www.newsranger.com...
> > In article <IUgC7.140$Ht5....@sapphire.mtt.net>, Cernunnos says...
<snip>
> > And in all cases the technology was from a tech base comparable to their
> own.
> > Provide proof that hyperdrive can be duplicated with a ST level tech base.
>
> They deal with technology from different bases all the time. Its in their
> job description.
Really. Can you please show me where their job description is listed?
> >
> > >After the phasers drill their way through a star destroyer or 50 they
> would
> > >send a survey team over grab the technology and voila.
> >
> > Prerequisite for this is that the phasers drill through a star destroyer.
> > Provide
> > proof that they have sufficient power.
>
> Star destroyers have little or no shielding compared to a federation ship.
> It would be the equvalent of the phasers hitting base metal. Which we have
> seen in the past totally disintigrates on contact.
You seem to be unable to compare numbers. ISD shields range from 1E20J
over thirty minutes up. GCS shields die at around 1E17J and less.
> > >> Proof that ST sheilding is better than SW sheilding.
> > >
> > >Well, the one time lasers were mentioned in Star Trek TNG Worf nearly
> fell
> > >off of his little perch laughing at them.
> >
> > Irrelevant, as turbolasers are not lasers.
>
> And they are called lasers for what reason?
>
> laser n : Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation; produces
> an intense monochromatic beam of coherent light
>
> turbo-
> pref.
> Turbine: turbocharger.
> Driven by a turbine: turbojet.
Right. So here:
Star
A celestial body.
Destroyer:
Thing that destroys.
There a Star Destroyer destroys stars.
Of course, you can simply look at the obvious evidence for why it isn't
a laser. Such minor things as being visible from the side in a vacuum
and travelling slower than light for instance.
> > >Seems the shields they use to
> > >keep matter and radiation from piercing the hull are strong enough to
> deal
> > >with lasers.
> >
> > And still irrelevant.
>
> How so? Lasers have no effect on Federation ships.
Except of course for the lasers the Lysian drones use, which happen to
be only 1.2MJ and are capable of throwing around the ship. Heck. If
that's what a 1.2MJ weapon is capable of, I'd hate to have to clean up
after the pasty remains of the crew when they are hit by a weapon
several million times more powerful.
>The shields can (and
> have been) configured to fly through the corona of a star.
>
> Also after the Dominion war the electrical systems of Starfleet ships are
> impervious to attacks that would do that.
>
> >
> > >Also since after Voyager the Federation would have those nifty
> > >batmobile like shields that the borg couldnt drill through available
> fleet
> > >wide.
> >
> > Assuming distribution of a system without any idea of the costs/material
> > requirements is idiotic. More information is needed before such a claim
> > can reasonably be made.
> >
> > >The shields should be more than adequate.
> >
> > Insufficient proof. Provide proof that:
> > 1. Borg weapons are equal to or more powerful than an ISDs TLs.
>
> The borg not as powerful as ISD? ROFL.
A Borg cube cannot withstand more than two broadsides from an ISD. This
has been proven by Scorpion, and shown more explicitly by First Contact.
> > 2. The Borg were completely unable to pierce these shields.
>
> apparently you were unable to see the voyager finale. These shields were
> mean SOB's
Not really. They were useless against the Klingon warships.
> > 3. These shields were distributed to the fleet.
>
> They would be. If a ship in the middle of nowhere can slap these shields
> togeather in a few days, the shipyards could have them as standard equipment
> in a month.
Prove it. It was technology brought from 20 years in the future and
adapted to fit a specific ship. There is no reason whatsoever to assume
that it could be mass-produced.
> Fact of the matter is they are too valuable not to have.
And yet, not a single ship other than Voyager has them.
Graeme Dice
--
The best way to predict the future is to invent it.
-- Sun PARC Team, 1974
Namothil
Absolutely ridiculous claim. An ISD is capable of withstanding, at a
minimum, half an hour of fire from a comparable vessel. At a minimum,
this would require it to absorb some 50+ gigatons of energy. (ISD broaside
rated conservatively at 30 MT/s) This is substantially more than any ST ship
has ever survived.
>It would be the equvalent of the phasers hitting base metal. Which we have
>seen in the past totally disintigrates on contact.
Forgetting about the shields, are you?
>> >> Proof that ST sheilding is better than SW sheilding.
>> >
>> >Well, the one time lasers were mentioned in Star Trek TNG Worf nearly
>fell
>> >off of his little perch laughing at them.
>>
>> Irrelevant, as turbolasers are not lasers.
>
>And they are called lasers for what reason?
Colloquialism perhaps? Maybe because lasers are employed to
energize the plasma? (That is what a turbolaser bolt consists of -
energized plasma)
>laser n : Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation; produces
>an intense monochromatic beam of coherent light
And said beam is invisible from the side in vacuum. Given that turbolaser
bolts are visible from the side in vacuum, they are obviously not lasers.
>turbo-
>pref.
>Turbine: turbocharger.
>Driven by a turbine: turbojet.
Your point?
>> >Seems the shields they use to
>> >keep matter and radiation from piercing the hull are strong enough to
>deal
>> >with lasers.
>>
>> And still irrelevant.
>
>How so? Lasers have no effect on Federation ships.
Incorrect. Lasers of the power level employed in The
Outrageous Okona have no effect on Fed ships. To
extend this to indicate a complete immunity to lasers
of any power level is an act of extreme idiocy.
>The shields can (and
>have been) configured to fly through the corona of a star.
With severe shield degradation experienced over time. Odd,
EM radiation degraded their shield, which, according to you,
cannot happen.
>Also after the Dominion war the electrical systems of Starfleet ships are
>impervious to attacks that would do that.
What?
>> >Also since after Voyager the Federation would have those nifty
>> >batmobile like shields that the borg couldnt drill through available
>fleet
>> >wide.
>>
>> Assuming distribution of a system without any idea of the costs/material
>> requirements is idiotic. More information is needed before such a claim
>> can reasonably be made.
>>
>> >The shields should be more than adequate.
>>
>> Insufficient proof. Provide proof that:
>> 1. Borg weapons are equal to or more powerful than an ISDs TLs.
>
>The borg not as powerful as ISD? ROFL.
No argument provided, concession accepted.
>> 2. The Borg were completely unable to pierce these shields.
>
>apparently you were unable to see the voyager finale. These shields were
>mean SOB's
And you failed to provide proof that the borg could not pierce these shields.
No, I did not watch the finale. I deliberately avoid watching voyager, as it
is one of the worst shows of all time.
>> 3. These shields were distributed to the fleet.
>
>They would be. If a ship in the middle of nowhere can slap these shields
>togeather in a few days, the shipyards could have them as standard equipment
>in a month. Fact of the matter is they are too valuable not to have.
Unwarranted assumption. Failure to provide evidence. Concession accepted.
Mark Mauro
than a warp drive anyway, Sensors do not work while traveling in the
hyperdrive, you hvae to sit and calculate each jump. A Star fleet ship is
MUCH faster and more nimble at sublight velocities. there is no evidence to
support your claim that the turbolasers come even close to a Phaser. for one
thing, the turbolaser fires in bursts, a sustained phaser would be much more
effective against even comperable shielding. the turbolasers seen to hav
only rudimentary guidance computers. the Starfleet tracking and gudance
systems are far superior in reaction and abilities to track.
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Cmdrwilkens
Really? Explain how any of your examples show the kind of disparity evident
between warp and hyperdrive before we even get into all the neccessary
subsidiary technologies.Additionally in over a hundred years of trying to
get transwarp to work they haven't really been able to and even when 7o9
gave up all her Borg knowledge Voyager was unable to truly control transwapr
which obviously holds great promise for a new drive system based on a
completely different
set of principles AND requiring sensor technology light years beyond what
the Federation has.
> >
> > >After the phasers drill their way through a star destroyer or 50 they
> would
> > >send a survey team over grab the technology and voila.
> >
> > Prerequisite for this is that the phasers drill through a star
destroyer.
> > Provide
> > proof that they have sufficient power.
>
> Star destroyers have little or no shielding compared to a federation ship.
> It would be the equvalent of the phasers hitting base metal. Which we
have
> seen in the past totally disintigrates on contact.
Really? So then of course you watched all the ST movies where repeated
blasts of phases did little more than score the hull of the E-nil which has
tiny little bulkheads in comparison to an ISD which has several metres of
high strength alloy reinforced with neutronium (which apparenltly ST weapons
can't penetarte so in other words you lose we win period). Additionally
could you perhaps explain to me how ST ships have better shielding when a
1.2MJ laser can penetrate when fired by the Lysians, or how a 400GW beam
basically toasted the system while ISDs can last 30 plus minutes of comabt
where the lightest ship-ship weapons on any combat starship are rated at
greater than 1500 TW?
> >
> > >> Proof that ST sheilding is better than SW sheilding.
> > >
> > >Well, the one time lasers were mentioned in Star Trek TNG Worf nearly
> fell
> > >off of his little perch laughing at them.
> >
> > Irrelevant, as turbolasers are not lasers.
>
> And they are called lasers for what reason?
For the same reason that you "dial" a phone despite the fact that touch tone
has almost completely replaced rotary dials. Also for the same reason that
they are called rifles despite the fact that rifling is a process applied to
a projectile weapon barrel in order to induce spin. The same reason why.. oh
well I think you get the picture.
> laser n : Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation;
produces
> an intense monochromatic beam of coherent light
From Merriam-Webster
Main Entry: la·ser
Pronunciation: 'lA-z&r
Function: noun
Usage: often attributive
Etymology: light amplification by stimulated emission of radiation
Date: 1960
: a device that utilizes the natural oscillations of atoms or molecules
between energy levels for generating coherent electromagnetic radiation
usually in the ultraviolet, visible, or infrared regions of the spectrum
If you want to define something then at least be precise or lable your
definition as a working one.
> turbo-
> pref.
> Turbine: turbocharger.
> Driven by a turbine: turbojet.
Strangely enough look at this:
Main Entry: tur·bo·charg·er
Pronunciation: -"chär-j&r
Function: noun
Date: 1934
: a centrifugal blower driven by exhaust gas turbines and used to
supercharge an engine
So a turbocharger uses gases to supercharge hmmmm... Well lets look at
turbine
Main Entry: tur·bine
Pronunciation: 't&r-b&n, -"bIn
Function: noun
Etymology: French, from Latin turbin-, turbo top, whirlwind, whirl, from
turba confusion -- more at TURBID
Date: 1842
: a rotary engine actuated by the reaction or impulse or both of a current
of fluid (as water, steam, or air) subject to pressure and usually made with
a series of curved vanes on a central rotating spindle
So a turbine is an engine actuated by fluid motion does this apply to TLs?
Nope so we're left with the turbolaser etymology based off of turbocharging
which involves gases and supercharging. This is before I even get into the
SWVD definiton of what a TL/Blaster is.
Oh yeah and by definiton a laser beam is invisible, even in the visible
spectrum, unless is is vide head on. TL beams are visible cross-wise which
garuntees them not being a laser.
> > >Seems the shields they use to
> > >keep matter and radiation from piercing the hull are strong enough to
> deal
> > >with lasers.
> >
> > And still irrelevant.
>
> How so? Lasers have no effect on Federation ships. The shields can (and
> have been) configured to fly through the corona of a star.
Yet they were going to fail in a matter of hours while the actual power flux
was LESS than that of a Light Turbolaser. Also is lasers have no effect how
were Lysian drones able to pierce the Fed's shields with 1.2 MJ lasers?
> Also after the Dominion war the electrical systems of Starfleet ships are
> impervious to attacks that would do that.
You mean the plasma conduits that have nothing resembling a fuse? A sinlge
Ion Cannon blast, oh yeah charged particles like electrons screw ST ship's
all to hell (ref Voyager), would explode every freakin console killing half
the crew.
> >
> > >Also since after Voyager the Federation would have those nifty
> > >batmobile like shields that the borg couldnt drill through available
> fleet
> > >wide.
> >
> > Assuming distribution of a system without any idea of the costs/material
> > requirements is idiotic. More information is needed before such a claim
> > can reasonably be made.
> >
> > >The shields should be more than adequate.
> >
> > Insufficient proof. Provide proof that:
> > 1. Borg weapons are equal to or more powerful than an ISDs TLs.
>
> The borg not as powerful as ISD? ROFL.
Go look at "Scorpion" and measure the amount of energy absorbed by each cube
then compare it to the firepower of an ISD-I which mounts more than a
hundred LTLs with firepower in excess of 1500TW.
> > 2. The Borg were completely unable to pierce these shields.
>
> apparently you were unable to see the voyager finale. These shields were
> mean SOB's
Not to the Klingons apparently.
> > 3. These shields were distributed to the fleet.
>
> They would be. If a ship in the middle of nowhere can slap these shields
> togeather in a few days, the shipyards could have them as standard
equipment
> in a month. Fact of the matter is they are too valuable not to have.
You base this definitvely on what evidence? Slapstick solutions work on the
ships they do because of the ship in question. There is HARDLY a garuntee
that the designe could have been modified for other vessels nor is there any
proof that it COULD be adapted to other designs.
Beowulf
And just how would the phasers get through the shielding of an ISD before
it blows them to bits?
>>
>> > > Starfleet could never hope to deal with the Imperial Starfleet,
>> > > there numbers are too great, and the speed advantage is also too
>> > > great. The only thing Starfleet can do is make it too costly for
>> > > the Empire to remain in the galaxy, thus they would have to start
>> > > there are rebel alliance, and wage a guerilla war.
>> >
>> > The weapon advantages alone would keep the federation going in this
>> > war. Thats not even taking their massive shielding into account. Or
>> > taking the new Voyager technology into account either.
>> >
>> >
>> Proof that ST sheilding is better than SW sheilding.
>
>
> Well, the one time lasers were mentioned in Star Trek TNG Worf nearly
> fell off of his little perch laughing at them. Seems the shields they
> use to keep matter and radiation from piercing the hull are strong
> enough to deal with lasers. Also since after Voyager the Federation
> would have those nifty batmobile like shields that the borg couldnt
> drill through available fleet wide. The shields should be more than
> adequate.
Turbolasers != lasers.
/me takes out Cricket Bat of Doom Mk.I
*thwack*
Beowulf
Setzer 2438
>galalxy in a matter of minutes.
>
>as for why they never used it: i dont really care.
Why? Do you need to preserve the dilusion that something in this universe might
be stupider than you?
Setzer 2438
>Empire = a long, long time ago
>
>
Temporal Arguments are banned by the FAQ, now if you ever post like that again,
I will dissect your penis with a rusty chainsaw.
Beowulf
<snip>
>
> They deal with technology from different bases all the time. Its in
> their job description.
But all races in ST have approximately the same tech level. Do you honestly
think that someone from the 1700's would be able to understand the
technology we use today?
>>
>> >After the phasers drill their way through a star destroyer or 50 they
>> >would send a survey team over grab the technology and voila.
>>
>> Prerequisite for this is that the phasers drill through a star
>> destroyer. Provide
>> proof that they have sufficient power.
>
> Star destroyers have little or no shielding compared to a federation
> ship. It would be the equvalent of the phasers hitting base metal.
> Which we have seen in the past totally disintigrates on contact.
Proof?
>>
>> >> Proof that ST sheilding is better than SW sheilding.
>> >
>> >Well, the one time lasers were mentioned in Star Trek TNG Worf
>> >nearly fell off of his little perch laughing at them.
>>
>> Irrelevant, as turbolasers are not lasers.
>
> And they are called lasers for what reason?
>
> laser n : Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Radiation;
> produces an intense monochromatic beam of coherent light
>
> turbo-
> pref.
> Turbine: turbocharger.
> Driven by a turbine: turbojet.
They are nonetheless not lasers. Lasers are not visible from the side, do
not move slower than light, and do not have their beams explode
>>
>> >Seems the shields they use to
>> >keep matter and radiation from piercing the hull are strong enough to
>> >deal with lasers.
>>
>> And still irrelevant.
>
> How so? Lasers have no effect on Federation ships. The shields can
> (and have been) configured to fly through the corona of a star.
>
> Also after the Dominion war the electrical systems of Starfleet ships
> are impervious to attacks that would do that.
Proof?
>>
>> >Also since after Voyager the Federation would have those nifty
>> >batmobile like shields that the borg couldnt drill through available
>> >fleet wide.
>>
>> Assuming distribution of a system without any idea of the
>> costs/material requirements is idiotic. More information is needed
>> before such a claim can reasonably be made.
>>
>> >The shields should be more than adequate.
>>
>> Insufficient proof. Provide proof that: 1. Borg weapons are equal to
>> or more powerful than an ISDs TLs.
>
> The borg not as powerful as ISD? ROFL.
Proof?
>> 2. The Borg were completely unable to pierce these shields.
>
> apparently you were unable to see the voyager finale. These shields
> were mean SOB's
Proof that they were could withstand hits that are greater than the power
generation capabilities of the sheild ship?
>> 3. These shields were distributed to the fleet.
>
> They would be. If a ship in the middle of nowhere can slap these
> shields togeather in a few days, the shipyards could have them as
> standard equipment in a month. Fact of the matter is they are too
> valuable not to have.
The generator was brought with Lameway. Proof that they could duplicate an
object several decades in advance of their tech level?
Beowulf