[OT] Why Maryland is better than England, freedomwise...
MKSheppard
earlier story found HERE:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/et?ac=004881452020231&rtmo=r9aQ2k2X&atmo=rrrrrrrq&pg=/et/99/8/23/nmurd23.html
Background:
Last year, a old farmer shot and killed
a burgular and wounded another inside
his house late one night.
For his efforts in ridding England of
a criminal parasite, he got life
in prison. Now comes the fun shit....
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Fury as Martin farm burglar is consulted over release date
By Daniel Foggo
THE burglar who was shot by Tony Martin as the Norfolk farmer
defended his home is being consulted by the Home Office about
how long his assailant should stay in jail.
Brendon Fearon has been declared a "victim of serious crime" by the
Home Office counselling service and asked for his views on Martin's
release date, The Telegraph can reveal. Martin is serving a life sentence
for wounding Fearon and killing his teenage accomplice, Fred Barras,
with a shotgun in an attempt to defend his property.
The Home Office has ruled that as a "victim" Fearon, who has 34
convictions for burglary, theft and handling stolen goods, and is
currently serving three years for the break-in, must be consulted
about Martin's parole.
Last night, the consultation decision was criticised by MPs. Ann Widdecombe,
the shadow home secretary, said that it was "madness". "Whatever the rights
and wrongs about the degree of force Tony Martin used, it's turning common
sense upside down to consult a burglar about the liberty of his victim."
Gerald Howarth, a member of the Commons home affairs select committee,
called it "utter lunacy". "There's no doubt in the mind of the British public that
the criminals in this case are the ones who broke into Mr Martin's premises
and the idea that one of them should have any input into his parole whatsoever
is a farce.
"I will be writing to the Home Secretary to ask him to make sure that on no
account should this man's views be taken into consideration." In a leaked
memo last year Tony Blair, the Prime Minister, referred to the Martin case as
an example of how the Government was being seen as "out of touch" on
law and order.
Mr Blair wrote: "The Martin case - and any lack of response from us that
appeared to empathise with public concern and then channel it into the
correct course - has only heightened the problem [of being seen as out
of touch]." Fearon revealed that he had been asked about Martin's
parole in a letter he sent to the Norfolk farmer.
It said: "I have since been visited by the Victim Support Group in relation
to my feeling about you gaining parole in the future. I was, therefore, forced
to think about how remorseful you may be. Judging from the cold words of
your distorted truth in the paper reviews, my thoughts are not overly optimistic."
Fearon suggests that Martin will only be at peace with himself once he has
admitted his crimes, adding that he himself has done just that. He says:
"I feel you will gain your sense of truth in time, as you and I know what
happened that fateful night. Reconciliation will not occur until you face up
to your doings as I myself have done so."
However, Fearon, 30, who was jailed in January last year after admitting
conspiring to burgle Martin's home on the night of August 20, 1999,
undermines his claim to have come clean by adding: "We was [sic]
not there to take your belongings merely to escape your dogs and
didn't mean to be intruders."
Referring to Barras, who had 29 convictions for crimes including burglary
and assaulting police officers, Fearon insists: "Whatever the reason may
have been for us being there, that shouldn't have led to a little boy dying
as there is no making amends for that little boy.
"What is so sad is that you haven't even stressed your sorrows for
taking a human life and given the little boy's family a second thought as
they have received a life sentence which there is no going back from
(so sad)." He ends by saying: "I hope you feel remorse as it's the only way forward."
The typed letter was written by Fearon in his cell at HMP Stocken in
Leicestershire, only 30 miles from Gartree jail where Martin is held. Martin,
who is appealing his convictions, is understood to have been upset
by it and has not replied.
Fearon, whose brother Neil was jailed last year for five years for cheating
elderly women out of £40,000, was the leader of the expedition to raid Martin's
farm in the village of Emneth Hungate. Together with another man, who did
not enter the property, Fearon and Barras drove 60 miles from their home in
Newark, Nottinghamshire, to the isolated farmhouse hoping to find antiques.
Martin, who claimed he was lying in bed upstairs, heard them break in through
a window and fired his pump action shotgun repeatedly into the downstairs
darkness, hitting both intruders. Barras managed to crawl outside before
dying while Fearon staggered to a nearby property where the owners raised
the alarm.
When interviewed by police he changed his story repeatedly rather than admit
why they had really been at the house. At Martin's trial a year ago Fearon
claimed that he and Barras had broken into the property "almost accidentally"
while trying to escape the farmer's rottweiler dogs and said that he had
suffered post-traumatic stress as a result of the shooting.
A Home Office spokesman said: "Under the Victims' Charter all victims of
serious crime are asked to offer their views on the offender's release conditions.
If particular concerns are raised the offender may be subjected to conditions
on their parole such as a restriction or exclusion order."
The charity Victim Support, which is Home Office funded, said: "We liaise
with the Probation Service to help canvass victims on offenders' parole."
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Over here in The People's Republik of Maryland, a similar case was
recently concluded.....in the RIGHT WAY!
The State DA must be fuming over the fact that the Grand Jury
effectively threw the entire thing out!
Here's the original article in the Baltimore Sun when it happened
(older than 2 wks so you have to pay, but thanks to Freerepublic.com...)
[BEGIN]
A Baltimore man was shot and killed and two other men were wounded
early yesterday when they encountered the armed owners of a
Glyndon concrete plant during what police said was an attempted burglary.
The owners of Back River Supply Inc. -- brothers Dominic A. Geckle, 31,
and Matthew J. Geckle, 36 -- were keeping an all-night vigil with shotguns
after being burglarized Friday and Saturday nights, said Cpl. Vickie Warehime,
a Baltimore County police spokeswoman.
Jonathan B. Steinbach, 24, of the first block of W. Biddle St. was pronounced
dead at the scene. Steinbach was the owner of Midtown Tanning Salon in the
1000 block of Cathedral St. in Baltimore, and was in the process of starting a
career in real estate, business associates said.
The two wounded men -- both Baltimore County residents in their 20s -- were
being treated at local hospitals. Police were withholding their identities last night.
Police questioned the Geckle brothers for several hours yesterday and released
them, pending an investigation by the Baltimore County state's attorney's office.
"It is still not known if the [three] were armed," Warehime said, adding that no
weapons had been recovered as of last night. Police are trying to determine
whether the three men are linked to the two earlier break-ins.
Warehime said police were called to the plant in the 12200 block of Owings
Mills Blvd. about 1:20 a.m. after one of the brothers reported a shooting.
Steinbach and another man were found inside the plant. The third man had
fled, but was admitted to Greater Baltimore Medical Center at 8 a.m.
yesterday for treatment of gunshot wounds, Warehime said.
Saturday morning, Dominic Geckle reported that someone had entered
the plant the previous night and stolen office equipment and tools, all
valued at $8,600, according to the police report.
On Sunday, the Geckles reported that someone had stolen more office
equipment and a .22-caliber rifle, all valued at $900, on Saturday night.
In yesterday's incident, at least one of the brothers apparently shot at the
three intruders after a "nonphysical confrontation," said Bill Toohey, a
police spokesman.
The state's attorney's office will investigate to determine whether criminal
charges should be filed and whether the shooting was in self-defense.
Maryland law permits the use of deadly force in self-defense, to defend others,
to protect one's property or when a person is in imminent danger of bodily harm
or death and there is no way to escape, said Byron L. Warnken, a criminal
law professor at the University of Baltimore School of Law.
Steinbach's death stunned business associates, who described him as a
young professional headed for a lucrative career.
"It doesn't make any sense to me," said Steinbach's real estate agent,
Craig Elliott. "He was definitely an entrepreneur trying to make a business for himself."
Elliott said Steinbach used to work for an architectural firm, but quit a
few years ago to open his tanning business and launch a career in real
estate. Steinbach grew up in Carroll County, but recently bought a $60,000
condominium on West Biddle Street and two Italian ice stands in
East Baltimore, Elliott said.
Steinbach, who had no Maryland criminal record, was the father of a
young son, friends said.
"This kid was on the ball ... smart, ambitious and very enterprising,"
said Nicholas Piscatelli, who owns the building that houses Steinbach's
tanning salon.
The owners of businesses located next to the concrete plant expressed
little sympathy for Steinbach yesterday. Frustrated by crime, they said they
stand behind the Geckles.
"The guys deserve a medal," said Mark Caropreso, the owner of Mark's Motors Inc.
"It sends a message out: You want to step on someone's property, you
deserve everything you get."
Some legal scholars said yesterday that the Geckles might face charges.
"You have to honestly believe there is imminent danger -- right now -- to
yourself or others," Warnken said.
Sun staff researcher Sarah Gehring contributed to this article.
Copyright © 2001, The Baltimore Sun
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A later story, once again from the Baltimore Sun:
A grand jury likely will be asked to decide whether criminal
charges should be filed against either of the brothers involved
in the shooting of three burglary suspects, a Baltimore County
assistant state's attorney said yesterday.
S. Ann Brobst, who is in charge of the case, said the incident
was "extremely serious" and presents "a lot of complicated issues."
Brobst said that she will begin reviewing the case after homicide
detectives complete their investigation, but that it could be weeks
before a final decision is made.
"I think this is the type of thing we want a grand jury to review,"
Brobst said, noting that jurors likely would have to sift through
"basic self-defense principles."
The incident occurred when at least one of the owners of the
Back River Supply Inc., in the 12200 block of Owings Mills Blvd.
in Glyndon, apparently shot three suspected burglars, one fatally,
early Monday morning. The brothers - Dominic A. Geckle, 31,
and Matthew J. Geckle, 36 - were keeping an all-night vigil with
shotguns at the concrete plant, which had been burglarized
twice during the weekend.
Baltimore County police have not identified the brothers, whose
names were obtained by The Sun through public records. Neither
one has a Maryland criminal record.
Jonathan B. Steinbach, 24, a businessman in Mount Vernon,
died of gunshot wounds at the scene. Yesterday, Baltimore County
police issued arrest warrants for the two wounded suspects.
Justin Storto, 21, of the 8700 block of Lisa Lane in Randallstown, is
charged with one count of second-degree burglary. Storto was
released from Maryland Shock Trauma Center late last night, a
hospital official said. Police had said Storto would be arrested when
he was released. Enrico L. Magliarella, 24, of the 600 block of St. Georges
Station Road in Reisterstown, is charged with two counts of second-degree burglary.
Police allege that Magliarella stole tools from the plant Saturday morning
and returned with Storto and Steinbach to burglarize the business Monday
morning. Magliarella is also at Shock Trauma, where he is in critical condition.
Both Magliarella and Storto have been arrested on theft charges during the
past year, according to court records.
Cpl. Vickie Warehime, a police spokeswoman, said police have found no
evidence that links Steinbach to the two earlier burglaries. His mother
and friends say Steinbach spent the weekend with his girlfriend.
"There [are] a lot of unanswered questions, and I want to get to the truth,"
said his mother, Janet Steinbach.
Steinbach said her son, who owned the Midtown Tanning Salon on
Cathedral Street in Baltimore and who had no Maryland criminal record,
used to be friends with Storto's older brother. She said Steinbach's girlfriend
told her that Storto called her son at 10 p.m. Sunday at his West Biddle
Street condominium and then picked him up.
According to police records, the brothers said they did not know any of
the burglary suspects.
An autopsy was conducted on Jonathan Steinbach yesterday, but police
and the state medical examiner's office refuse to say how many times or
where he was shot. Emergency personnel at the scene said it appeared
he was shot at least twice - in the abdomen and the head.
"Even if they were protecting property, I don't see why they had to take
such extreme measures, especially with a shotgun," Janet Steinbach said.
"They were just vultures, like vultures sitting there waiting for these kids. ...
All I know is they were laying there waiting and didn't bother turning the lights on."
Warehime said yesterday that a preliminary investigation determined that no
lights were on at the plant when the three men were shot. She also said police
have not recovered any weapons - except the two shotguns linked to the
brothers - from the scene.
Brobst said those issues, as well the concerns raised by Steinbach's
mother, will factor into any grand jury investigation.
Legal scholars say the case could hinge upon how the "castle doctrine" is
interpreted. The doctrine states that a person does not need to retreat from
an intruder when in his own home, but it is not clear whether the principle
applies to a place of business.
"A home in Maryland has an exalted status in terms of self-defense principle,"
Brobst said. "The business does not hold as high a status."
Brobst said the state's attorney's office has received several calls from
residents with differing opinions on whether charges should be filed.
A spokesman for the Maryland Rifle and Pistol Association, the state
affiliate of the National Rifle Association, said the organization supports
the Geckle brothers.
Copyright © 2001, The Baltimore Sun
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Now, comes the good news: :D
From 4:15 report on WCBM Radio and previous
Baltimore Sun Excerps---
April 25, 2001
The grand jury was ask to decide whether criminal charges
should be filed against Dominic "Tony" Geckle and Matthew Geckle,
owners of Back River Supply Inc., who were armed with shotguns
and guarding the concrete plant the night of the shooting. They say
they acted in self-defense. The Grand Jury believed them and has
cleared the brothers according to WCBM Radio News.
The case dates to the night of March 19, when, police say, Tony Geckle
shot three unarmed intruders. The plant, in the 12200 block of Owings
Mills Blvd., had been burglarized the previous two nights.
Jonathan Steinbach, 24, was shot and killed. Storto, 21, and Enrico L.
Magliarella, 24, were wounded. The two men were later arrested on
burglary charges.
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BWAAHHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
Sad thing is, even tho the Grand Jury (a bunch of people grabbed
off the street, and shown the evidence for a case who decide whether
to charge or not) threw these bullshit charges against the
two Brothers out, Maryland is rapidly becoming Kalifornicating
East under the despotic rule of Emperor Parris I and the enormous
influence of the six biggest federal districts, which are strong enough
politically, to overrule the other 54, which are as conservative
as Virginia.
I unfortunately, live in one of those six liberal scum-filled districts :(
PS, while you're on Maryland, look up our State Song! :D
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"Our task of creating a socialist America can only
succeed when those who would resist us have been
totally disarmed."
-Sarah Brady, Chair, Handgun Control, Inc.
Matthew Hyde
New England is better than Old England?
<Oh no! they're after me! I'll make a magic balloon, and fly away!>
--
Matt Hyde
906-487-3406
mdo...@mtu.edu
Crayz9000
news:3af0a02a...@news.erols.com...
<snip>
Well, here in CA about the only thing it seems you can legally do in that
case is use martial arts, and hope that you don't kill them. Now if I had
one of those E-11s with their stun/kill settings...
--
Crayz9000 - [http://crayz9000.htmlplanet.com] - mhm28x12
Cybernetic Crow
"Go Figure."
Robert A. Healey
Maryland is not New England. Never was, never will be. Neither is New
York.
--
Bob Healey
AIM:darkjedi521
Matthew Hyde
Lurker
MKSheppard wrote
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Blow me
Crayz9000
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MKSheppard wrote
<snip>
Translation: YHBT.
Welcome to my killfilter. And be warned, Emperor Strowbridge is far less
patient than I.
rob.wn5
"Crayz9000" <cray...@cow.mailandnews.com> wrote in message
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> "Lurker" <lee.a...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> news:lVkH6.9093$wO6.1...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
>
> MKSheppard wrote
>
> <snip>
>
> Translation: YHBT.
>
> Welcome to my killfilter. And be warned, Emperor Strowbridge is far less
> patient than I.
Why the hell is he in your killfilter? He made a joke, the world goes on.
Rob Wilson
cmdrwilkens
"rob.wn5" <rob...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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>
> "Crayz9000" <cray...@cow.mailandnews.com> wrote in message
> news:9cl8lp$e8j68$2...@ID-48511.news.dfncis.de...
> > "Lurker" <lee.a...@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
> > news:lVkH6.9093$wO6.1...@news2-win.server.ntlworld.com...
> >
> > MKSheppard wrote
> >
> > <snip>
> >
> > Translation: YHBT.
> >
> > Welcome to my killfilter. And be warned, Emperor Strowbridge is far less
> > patient than I.
>
> Why the hell is he in your killfilter? He made a joke, the world goes on.
>
Personally I think the use of the word "blah" more than 30 times in the same
paragrapgh should be a criminal offense. Otherwise I had no problem with the
post. Wait, the whole post was "blah" so I guess I do have a poblem with it.
Oh well, time for sex and beer.
--
cmdrwilkens
AIM: cmdrwilkens
"Flamethrowers, when you need to set someone on fire...but
they're all the way over there."
-Brian Blackman
Nathan Yates
Nothing important.
Why don't you come out from your hiding place, chickenshit? Or are you
afraid of us?
"He who lives by the sword, gets shot by those who don't"
Matthew Hyde
>
> Lurker wrote:
>
> Nothing important.
>
> Why don't you come out from your hiding place, chickenshit? Or are you
> afraid of us?
>
their real name or a pseudonym like "Puffer?" Seeing reprints of
articles about guns and nazi conspiracies is boring.
Lurker
Nathan Yates <Fifty_...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:14121-3A...@storefull-283.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
> Lurker wrote:
>
> Nothing important.
To a Yank!
If on the other hand you came from the country that regularly bears the brunt of MK's
abuse it would be a different matter.
I have stood by and watched for the better part of six months as MK goes on his little crusades to try and belittle my land and have said virtually nothing.
Well that changed yesterday, I had enough.
I honestly don't give a fuck what you or Crazy9000 think, as this was not directed
towards you.
> Why don't you come out from your hiding place, chickenshit? Or are you
> afraid of us?
I don't hide and there is nothing about you I'll ever be afraid of.
To cmdrwilkens I am sorry, I admit there were too many "blah's".
MKSheppard
>I have stood by and watched for the better part of six months as MK goes on his
>little crusades to try and belittle my land and have said virtually nothing.
I'm an EEO belittler.
Even though I was born in Maryland, and have spent ALL of my life there,
It still doesn't stop me from going on about The People's Socialist RepubliK
of Maryland under our GLORIOUS Emperor Parris I.
Fucking liberal socialists...They essentially screwed up a good state.
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Down with all gun control edicts.
Down with the National Firearms Act!
Down with the Gun Control Act of 1968!
Down with the Brady Bill!
Down with the BATF!
Down with them all!
rob.wn5
> On Tue, 1 May 2001 21:36:15 +0100, "Lurker" <lee.a...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>
>
> >I have stood by and watched for the better part of six months as MK goes
on his
> >little crusades to try and belittle my land and have said virtually
nothing.
>
> I'm an EEO belittler.
EEO?
Rob Wilson
MKSheppard
>EEO?
Equal Employment Opportunity :D
Strowbridge
>
> "Crayz9000" <cray...@cow.mailandnews.com> wrote
>
> > "Lurker" <lee.a...@ntlworld.com> wrote
> >
> > MKSheppard wrote
> > <snip>
> >
> > Translation: YHBT.
> >
> > Welcome to my killfilter. And be warned, Emperor Strowbridge is far less
> > patient than I.
>
> Why the hell is he in your killfilter? He made a joke, the world goes on.
Personally, I thought it was pretty funny.
C.S.Strowbridge
rob.wn5
> On Tue, 1 May 2001 22:18:53 +0100, "rob.wn5" <rob...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>
> >EEO?
>
> Equal Employment Opportunity :D
In cases where they hire people to fulfill a mandatory quota rather than on
abilities then fine (bureaucracy at it's stupidist now matter the country).
Giving people the chance at employment they would otherwise be denid
through discrimination however is a different matter.
Rob Wilson
rob.wn5
"Strowbridge" <strow...@home.com> wrote in message
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Same here, mind you he is a personal friend. Of course that means if he did
post anything stupid I'd be the first one hitting him for it (and of course
I can do that literally rather than just online :-) ).
He was sick and tired of having the UK used as an excuse to push pro-gun
control arguements and made (what for him) was a very mildly biting post
(trust me he can really let go when he wants to). Why everyone is
overreacting is beyond me.
Rob Wilson
>
> C.S.Strowbridge
cmdrwilkens
> On Tue, 1 May 2001 21:36:15 +0100, "Lurker" <lee.a...@ntlworld.com>
wrote:
>
>
> >I have stood by and watched for the better part of six months as MK goes
on his
> >little crusades to try and belittle my land and have said virtually
nothing.
>
> I'm an EEO belittler.
>
> Even though I was born in Maryland, and have spent ALL of my life there,
> It still doesn't stop me from going on about The People's Socialist
RepubliK
> of Maryland under our GLORIOUS Emperor Parris I.
>
> Fucking liberal socialists...They essentially screwed up a good state.
Aww if you don't like the fucking state then move. personally I love
Maryland and other than the fact that we seem to have few enough Death
penalty supporters in Annapolis I believe this state is doing the right
thing (thank God they killed that measure, the fuckers on death row deserve
what they will get I personally don't care what their race is, if you kill
someone and planned to do so then you no longer are a part of the human race
and deserve to be treated as a pest to be removed). Anyway if you don't like
conserving wetalnds and the Bay, lowering taxes, setting new educational
standards, etc then go move to Fucking Arizona with the seniors and play
some golf and bitch over the heat with a cold beer.
Basically if you don't like Maryland then why the fuck you still around?
Housing ain't cheap so save some cash and move.
Sound a bit extreme, yeah but I love my state even through the bad times I
believe those in Annapolis at least try to do the right thing and I won't
criticize them for that. Oh well, I need more cafenie. So we'll have to go
down to the nearest paintball field and settle our differences of opinion
the old fashion way minus that whole messy death thing.
cmdrwilkens
Nathan Yates <Fifty_...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> > Lurker wrote:
> >
> > Nothing important.
> To a Yank!
> If on the other hand you came from the country that regularly bears the
brunt of MK's
> abuse it would be a different matter.
> I have stood by and watched for the better part of six months as MK goes
on his little
> crusades to try and belittle my land and have said virtually nothing.
> Well that changed yesterday, I had enough.
Completely understandable. Why I don't mind fun being poked at the "Beltway
bandits" there is a point at which pride in my state will take over. In your
case national pride is the factor and someone insulting that and using "you"
as a scapegoat does trash the nerves so I understand and to a great degree
heartily agree with you.
> I honestly don't give a fuck what you or Crazy9000 think, as this was not
directed
> towards you.
> > Why don't you come out from your hiding place, chickenshit? Or are you
> > afraid of us?
> I don't hide and there is nothing about you I'll ever be afraid of.
Its funny that since you happened to chose the name Lurker someone assumes
you are a lurker who just posted to be inflamatory.
> To cmdrwilkens I am sorry, I admit there were too many "blah's".
Yeah but hey its artistic liscense and it did get the point across. We still
cool my cracka (for those who are offended please direct you comments to
someone who cares).
MKSheppard
>Anyway if you don't like
>conserving wetalnds and the Bay, lowering taxes, setting new educational
>standards, etc then go move to Fucking Arizona with the seniors and play
>some golf and bitch over the heat with a cold beer.
Lowering taxes is an oxymoron here in MD, esp. in Montgomery County. :D
What I hate about this state is Emperor Parris I's crusade against firearms,
and now, Body armor.
Excuse me, if I work in a 7-11, I want body armor, and I want it NOW,
not after waiting for the State Police to finish checking up on me.
As for the Concealed Weapons Permit thingy, all of them IIRC have
to go thru the MD State Police. You have absolutely zero chance of
getting a CCW unless you're a politician, someone important (read: celebrity),
or have lots of money.
>Basically if you don't like Maryland then why the fuck you still around?
>Housing ain't cheap so save some cash and move.
I have no freaking money. Believe me, I'd like to stay in MD, but the problem
is that even if I moved to Western maryland or the Eastern Shore (where they
are very conservative), Montgomery County, PG County, Baltimore County,
and Baltimore City would still overrule my area's senators and push
anti-freedom bills through the senate.
Maryland is a perfect example of why the Electorial college
system is so damn important. Here, just 6 of the state's
60 federal districts can overrule the other 54.
Virginia is an option, but I'm leery of going there because
of the soccer moms' growing influence in Northern Virginia.
> So we'll have to go down to the nearest paintball field and
> settle our differences of opinion the old fashion way minus that
> whole messy death thing.
Hmm...I'd take you up on that, save for the fact that you'd
totally cream me for the forseeable future :D
I think I'll wait until I can actually give a decent fight against
you...need to grab a painball gun and practice my shooting....
(That was originally a typo, but then I decided it was
aprop....you get hurt when you get shot, esp if it's
with old, hard balls.)
MKSheppard
>Hmm...I'd take you up on that, save for the fact that you'd
>totally cream me for the forseeable future :D
<Sheppard walks through the woods, looking around nervously>
With a roar, dozens of paintballs hit him almost simultaneously,
stiching a line of blotches over his cammies, and hurting him.
Out from a nearly undetectable blind comes Greg, holding a
full auto paintballgun (do they exist?)
:P
(and yes, I know you'd pick the FA ones just to humilate me :D)
cmdrwilkens
> On Wed, 02 May 2001 04:54:49 GMT, "cmdrwilkens" <burn...@glue.umd.edu>
wrote:
>
> >Anyway if you don't like
> >conserving wetalnds and the Bay, lowering taxes, setting new educational
> >standards, etc then go move to Fucking Arizona with the seniors and play
> >some golf and bitch over the heat with a cold beer.
>
> Lowering taxes is an oxymoron here in MD, esp. in Montgomery County. :D
Not in Howard County, it saved me not too much but it did save my arents
quite a bit this year.
> What I hate about this state is Emperor Parris I's crusade against
firearms,
> and now, Body armor.
>
> Excuse me, if I work in a 7-11, I want body armor, and I want it NOW,
> not after waiting for the State Police to finish checking up on me.
I'll give ya that, though the general avaliability of body armor would open
it up to criminal use and abuse. Remember there's always 2 sides to the
coin.
> As for the Concealed Weapons Permit thingy, all of them IIRC have
> to go thru the MD State Police. You have absolutely zero chance of
> getting a CCW unless you're a politician, someone important (read:
celebrity),
> or have lots of money.
Incorrect. I knwo people who have CWPs. Most of them are not all that rich
(now some of them are holding government jobs with sensitive informaion in
their heads which would make most people a bit nervous and makes them
elligible). Also private detectives, off duty and retired police, MPs,
certain other military members, and in fact anyone who can present a valid
reason to the stte can get one. It ain't ALL that strict but it is limited
in scope and a tad expensive (though if you can afford to buy multiple Glock
17s its just a drop in the bucket).
> >Basically if you don't like Maryland then why the fuck you still around?
> >Housing ain't cheap so save some cash and move.
>
> I have no freaking money. Believe me, I'd like to stay in MD, but the
problem
> is that even if I moved to Western maryland or the Eastern Shore (where
they
> are very conservative), Montgomery County, PG County, Baltimore County,
> and Baltimore City would still overrule my area's senators and push
> anti-freedom bills through the senate.
How do you think I like it in Howard County? We are large enough to fight
back but barely. As such I have a certasin distaste for Montgomery and PG
pols.
> Maryland is a perfect example of why the Electorial college
> system is so damn important. Here, just 6 of the state's
> 60 federal districts can overrule the other 54.
Ummmm, only 8 Federal districts. There are 60 in state voting districts as
far as represenatives in Annapolis but only 8 Federal districts.
> Virginia is an option, but I'm leery of going there because
> of the soccer moms' growing influence in Northern Virginia.
Hey I was a soccer kid and my mom a soccer mom o watch out, that's two
strikes of vengance on your head. Hehe.
> > So we'll have to go down to the nearest paintball field and
> > settle our differences of opinion the old fashion way minus that
> > whole messy death thing.
>
> Hmm...I'd take you up on that, save for the fact that you'd
> totally cream me for the forseeable future :D
>
> I think I'll wait until I can actually give a decent fight against
> you...need to grab a painball gun and practice my shooting....
>
> (That was originally a typo, but then I decided it was
> aprop....you get hurt when you get shot, esp if it's
> with old, hard balls.)
That's why you load the fuckers up with marbles. They are both 69Cal so they
both make perfect barrel filers though a marble at 300 fps is a little bit
more painful than a paintball.
--
cmdrwilkens
AIM: cmdrwilkens
"I AM THE LOWRIDER"
cmdrwilkens
> On Wed, 02 May 2001 09:36:01 GMT, ryan...@erols.com (MKSheppard) wrote:
>
> >Hmm...I'd take you up on that, save for the fact that you'd
> >totally cream me for the forseeable future :D
For the forseable futuere, go into the Marines, they'd be happy to tteach
you everything they taught 9and are still teaching) me.
> <Sheppard walks through the woods, looking around nervously>
>
> With a roar, dozens of paintballs hit him almost simultaneously,
> stiching a line of blotches over his cammies, and hurting him.
>
> Out from a nearly undetectable blind comes Greg, holding a
> full auto paintballgun (do they exist?)
Oh they exist but I'm working on a special semi-auto sniper paintball rifle,
its got a 21 inch rifled barrel along with scope, red-dot sight and an
electronic trigger. Oh yeah and I'm re working the compresion settings to
bring the muzzle velocity up to 900fps. It'll be competition illegal but fun
to lob paintballs a 1/4 mile downrange onto target.
> :P
> (and yes, I know you'd pick the FA ones just to humilate me :D)
Of course, you rock and roll on full auto in brief burst to ensure you paint
the targets whole face just to humiliate them and make them sit like little
bitches wiping paint off their masks while you calmy stroll into their base
and capture it.
rob.wn5
Snip
>
> Virginia is an option, but I'm leery of going there because
> of the soccer moms' growing influence in Northern Virginia.
Err, Soccer mums? I'm almost afraid to ask where this is going.
:-)
Rob Wilson
rob.wn5
"cmdrwilkens" <burn...@glue.umd.edu> wrote in message
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>
Snip
> Sound a bit extreme, yeah but I love my state even through the bad times
I
> believe those in Annapolis at least try to do the right thing and I won't
> criticize them for that. Oh well, I need more cafenie. So we'll have to
go
> down to the nearest paintball field and settle our differences of opinion
> the old fashion way minus that whole messy death thing.
No the old fasshioned way is Murderball (two teams and extreme violence)
after the bones are healed you'll just look back and laugh at the
disagreement.
Or there's milling (hitting each other for 3 minutes without making any
blocks or dodges) admittedly you wear sparring gear but it gets the
aggression out of the way.
Lastly theres Knuckles (Not the school game) you and the person you are
arguing with take it in turns punching each other in the face. First one to
break their knuckles (or fall unconscious/fail to stay standing) is the
loser. (strangely enough incidents of arguements drop dramatically
everytime this is introduced to a new squad).
Rob Wilson
Matthew Hyde
>
> "MKSheppard" <ryan...@erols.com> wrote in message
> news:3aefd27f...@news.erols.com...
> > On Wed, 02 May 2001 04:54:49 GMT, "cmdrwilkens" <burn...@glue.umd.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Snip
>
> >
> > Virginia is an option, but I'm leery of going there because
> > of the soccer moms' growing influence in Northern Virginia.
>
> Err, Soccer mums? I'm almost afraid to ask where this is going.
> :-)
>
ball and breaking your legs if you don't get them off right
rob.wn5
"Matthew Hyde" <mdo...@mtu.edu> wrote in message
news:3AF0587B...@mtu.edu...
As plausible an answer as any other I suppose.
:-)
Rob Wilson
Strowbridge
>
> "Strowbridge" <strow...@home.com> wrote
> > > > Translation: YHBT.
> > > >
> > > > Welcome to my killfilter. And be warned, Emperor Strowbridge is far
> > > > less patient than I.
> > >
> > > Why the hell is he in your killfilter? He made a joke, the world goes
> > > on.
> >
> > Personally, I thought it was pretty funny.
>
> Same here, mind you he is a personal friend. Of course that means if he did
> post anything stupid I'd be the first one hitting him for it (and of course
> I can do that literally rather than just online :-) ).
Must be nice to hit them in real life.
> He was sick and tired of having the UK used as an excuse to push pro-gun
> control arguements and made (what for him) was a very mildly biting post
> (trust me he can really let go when he wants to). Why everyone is
> overreacting is beyond me.
Well, everyone has button that can be pressed. I guess he hit just the
right ones. I doubt that was his intent, I would assume 'Mildly biting'
is what he was aiming for.
C.S.Strowbridge
rob.wn5
> "rob.wn5" wrote:
> >
> > "Strowbridge" <strow...@home.com> wrote
>
> > > > > Translation: YHBT.
> > > > >
> > > > > Welcome to my killfilter. And be warned, Emperor Strowbridge is
far
> > > > > less patient than I.
> > > >
> > > > Why the hell is he in your killfilter? He made a joke, the world
goes
> > > > on.
> > >
> > > Personally, I thought it was pretty funny.
> >
> > Same here, mind you he is a personal friend. Of course that means if he
did
> > post anything stupid I'd be the first one hitting him for it (and of
course
> > I can do that literally rather than just online :-) ).
>
> Must be nice to hit them in real life.
Well yeah, but he hits back. Which just isn't Cricket.
:-)
>
> > He was sick and tired of having the UK used as an excuse to push
pro-gun
> > control arguements and made (what for him) was a very mildly biting
post
> > (trust me he can really let go when he wants to). Why everyone is
> > overreacting is beyond me.
>
> Well, everyone has button that can be pressed. I guess he hit just the
> right ones. I doubt that was his intent, I would assume 'Mildly biting'
> is what he was aiming for.
Knowing Lee it was more likely Exasperation and being fed-up with the whole
using UK to bolster the pro-guns arguments.
Rob Wilson
off to play the SE4 turn.
:-)
>
> C.S.Strowbridge
rob.wn5
> off to play the SE4 turn.
> :-)
I'm back and Strowbridge, there will (in 3-4 turns) be links to Fabrina
from my major shipyard systems and a link from Fabrina ( my Forward Base of
Operations against Ukra Tal) to Exo.
There are now free oxygen planets in Sallega territory :-)
Rob Wilson
too bored to actually mail him direct :-)
>
> >
> > C.S.Strowbridge
>
>
Strowbridge
>
> "rob.wn5" <rob...@ntlworld.com> wrote
> > "Strowbridge" <strow...@home.com> wrote in message
> > news:3AF0604D...@home.com...
> >
> > Rob Wilson
> > off to play the SE4 turn.
> > :-)
>
> I'm back and Strowbridge, there will (in 3-4 turns) be links to Fabrina
> from my major shipyard systems and a link from Fabrina ( my Forward Base of
> Operations against Ukra Tal) to Exo.
I have large enough Spy Network to force back nearly any attack Force he
can muster, as long as I see it two turns in advance.
> There are now free oxygen planets in Sallega territory :-)
I saw those. Colonizers are being built as we speak.
C.S.Strowbridge
rob.wn5
> "rob.wn5" wrote:
> >
> > "rob.wn5" <rob...@ntlworld.com> wrote
>
> > > "Strowbridge" <strow...@home.com> wrote in message
> > > news:3AF0604D...@home.com...
> > >
> > > Rob Wilson
> > > off to play the SE4 turn.
> > > :-)
> >
> > I'm back and Strowbridge, there will (in 3-4 turns) be links to Fabrina
> > from my major shipyard systems and a link from Fabrina ( my Forward
Base of
> > Operations against Ukra Tal) to Exo.
>
> I have large enough Spy Network to force back nearly any attack Force he
> can muster, as long as I see it two turns in advance.
But I want to crush the little Bastard and make him Squeal like a pig.
I have 20 Cruisers in the build queue and 14 B/ships & dreadnaughts so I
want him to keep on resiting until I trun the screws (plus he's kindly
paying for my fleet production Anyway :-) ).
>
> > There are now free oxygen planets in Sallega territory :-)
>
> I saw those. Colonizers are being built as we speak.
Well there's plenty of them to choose from, about to cleanse 2 more planets
next turn (he has to date managed to lose a fleet and 4 planets to my
Hammer fleet for the cost of 1 block of Emissive armour). I laughed!
Rob Wilson
>
> C.S.Strowbridge
Crayz9000
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Nathan Yates <Fifty_...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> Lurker wrote:
>
> Nothing important.
To a Yank!
If on the other hand you came from the country that regularly bears the
brunt of MK's
abuse it would be a different matter.
I have stood by and watched for the better part of six months as MK goes on
his little crusades to try and belittle my land and have said virtually
nothing.
Well that changed yesterday, I had enough.
I honestly don't give a fuck what you or Crazy9000 think, as this was not
directed
towards you.
-----
Well, excuse me? I hardly ever KF upon first stating so - I typically wait a
couple days and check the responses. If the target subject ever proves they
are indeed, then in they go. But if they don't... well, words can't hurt,
can they?
--
Crayz9000 - [http://crayz9000.htmlplanet.com] - mhm28x12
Cybernetic Crow
"Go Figure."
Paradox
....etc then go move to Fucking Arizona with the seniors and play
> some golf and bitch over the heat with a cold beer.
Hey! bite me!
Dalton
[snip]
> Basically if you don't like Maryland then why the fuck you still around?
> Housing ain't cheap so save some cash and move.
That'd be a bit difficult considering his restrictions.
[snip]
--
Rob Dalton | http://daltonator.net
"Not 'Thou Shalt Not.' Say 'I Will Not.'" ---Terry Pratchett
Strowbridge
> > > I'm back and Strowbridge, there will (in 3-4 turns) be links to Fabrina
> > > from my major shipyard systems and a link from Fabrina ( my Forward
> > > Base of Operations against Ukra Tal) to Exo.
> >
> > I have large enough Spy Network to force back nearly any attack Force he
> > can muster, as long as I see it two turns in advance.
>
> But I want to crush the little Bastard and make him Squeal like a pig.
Should I start playing the Deliverance love theme?
> I have 20 Cruisers in the build queue and 14 B/ships & dreadnaughts so I
> want him to keep on resiting until I trun the screws (plus he's kindly
> paying for my fleet production Anyway :-) ).
Don't worry, he tries these attacks every 3 or 4 turns.
> > > There are now free oxygen planets in Sallega territory :-)
> >
> > I saw those. Colonizers are being built as we speak.
>
> Well there's plenty of them to choose from, about to cleanse 2 more planets
> next turn (he has to date managed to lose a fleet and 4 planets to my
> Hammer fleet for the cost of 1 block of Emissive armour). I laughed!
The joys of being several steps ahead of you enemies in technology.
C.S.Strowbridge
cmdrwilkens
"Paradox" <l33ta0...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
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Well whichever button I just pressd sorry it was the first thing to come to
mind.
Lurker
cmdrwilkens <burn...@glue.umd.edu> wrote in message news:cuMH6.59949$122.11...@news1.rdc1.md.home.com...
> Its funny that since you happened to chose the name Lurker someone assumes
> you are a lurker who just posted to be inflamatory.
>
Yes and I've even placed as high as 40th in SGoTM!.
>
> > To cmdrwilkens I am sorry, I admit there were too many "blah's".
>
> Yeah but hey its artistic liscense and it did get the point across. We still
> cool my cracka (for those who are offended please direct you comments to
> someone who cares).
>
Go on, you have to tell me about this.
Lurker
Crayz9000 <cray...@cow.mailandnews.com> wrote in message news:9cqh80$f14er$2...@ID-48511.news.dfncis.de...
> Well, excuse me? I hardly ever KF upon first stating so - I typically wait a
> couple days and check the responses. If the target subject ever proves they
> are indeed, then in they go. But if they don't... well, words can't hurt,
> can they?
> --
Normally no, and on this occasion they shouldn't have either, but I was a bit
too quick on the defencive.
I'll read the post more carefully next time.
Nathan Yates
big deal! I've seen enough about you foriengners putting down the U.S.,
so what do you expect?
And, um, I apologize for calling you that.
"He who lives by the sword, gets shot by those who don't"
Matthew Hyde
>
> So? Someone sees something wrong with your country, and points it out,
> big deal! I've seen enough about you foriengners putting down the U.S.,
> so what do you expect?
>
Lurker
Nathan Yates <Fifty_...@webtv.net> wrote in message news:8879-3AF...@storefull-282.iap.bryant.webtv.net...
No problem