THE SOLUTION TO "Mr. Spock's First Name"!!!
Michael McMahan
Hey, I thought that would get everyone's attention!!!
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Anyway here's my theory which, in the tradition of Rush Limbaugh,
is also correct!!!
1.Ok, so Kirk,Scotty,McCoy,Chekov and Sulu have at one time or another referred
to "Mr. Spock" as "Spock." Note, that to my recollection, this has been during
informal times. Sarek calls Mr Spock "Spock". Amanda calls Ambassador Sarek
"Sarek". Amanda calls Mr. Spock "Spock" Within the human family unit when was
the last time you've heard a mother or father refer to their child by their
family name. Therefore, I believe "Spock" to be "Mr. Spock's" given name not
family name.
2. In the Star Trek episode in question Mr. Spock tells the Jill Ireland
character (Sorry I don't have my Star Trek Concordance available you know the
one printed in the seventies! With the cute rotating Enterprise Saucer Section.
Anyone interested by the way?)what was her name Leila or something like that,
"you couldn't pronounce it" I don't think Mr Spock was calling his new
girlfriend stupid or insulting her linguistic skills. Do you really think the
highly intelligent, though occasionally emotional, "Mr. Spock" would want a
"dumb blonde" girlfriend or a mentally stimulating mate? Humans are capable of
pronouncing quite challenging sets of phonemes. Watch CNN sometimes! C'mon how
difficult could a Vulcan family name be to PRONOUNCE.
3. Vulcan family names can be learned to be pronounced in a way it was said. Why
couldn' t they be learned exactly?
4. Why didn't "Mr. Spock" tell the Jill Ireland,or any other character for that
matter,character his other name even if they could't pronounce it? Even at "Mr
Spock's" funeral Kirk referred to him as "Mr Spock"
5. Vulcans are a race of highly logical beings with a very important component
of their existence being of an empathic or telepathic nature.
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THIS LEADS TO MY CONCLUSION!!!!
The Vulcan family name is not spoken but, using the best word possible,
understood. It is, in the presence of a Vulcan, by a Vulcan, merely
understood! It is telepathically transmitted at time of contact. "You couldn't
pronounce it" merely means that Humans do not possess the telepathic ability of
Vulcans. Not that they're stupid, unskilled, or lacking body parts. This is why
"Mr Spock" never tried to "pronounce" his other name. No one would have heard or
understood it except for a telepath perhaps. ( I'll leave it for another thread
if Troi could "pronounce" his other name.) ( It may have been why "Mr. Spock"
was teased as being a half-breed as a child. While he looked Vulcan he might not
have been able to pronounce his name very well.) I believe that Vulcan names
possess an informal vocal component and a formal telepathic component. It is
also possible that the whole Vulcan name is telepathic and the spoken familiar
name is a concession to a non-telepathic majority of the Federation.
There it is!!! VERY LOGICAL!!!
Michael McMahan
All responses welcomed Till 7 July, 1996 emte...@earthlink.net
or always zam...@gulf.net
P.S. Yeah, I do like women, I have gotten "laid", and I do have a life!!!
P.P.S. "Star Trek" was JUST A TV SHOW!!! and I know it!
John Paul
Only one visible problem. Vulcans are mostly Touch-telepaths. Sybok was
an exception, as we have been led to believe numerous times.
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Michael McMahan
On Sun, 7 Jul 1996 09:03:42 -0500, John Paul <jpba...@lonestar.jpl.utsa.edu>
wrote:
>Only one visible problem. Vulcans are mostly Touch-telepaths. Sybok was
>an exception, as we have been led to believe numerous times.
>
>
Vulcans have also displayed abilities over great distances. Of course you
remember when Spock realized that the USS Intrepid was destroyed. Surely if a
half-Vulcan like Spock could feel that, a full-Vulcan could pick up something
subtle like a name at short distance especially if it were offered by the
sender. Spock as I recall displayed abilities, even across rooms, of simple mind
suggestions. His abilities were indeed magnified by touch but he certainly had
non-touch abilities. I don't really think that Sybok was an exception but
perhaps more representative of full Vulcan abilities than some of the
half-Vulcans which have been main characters. Humans are so vocally oriented. Is
it so impossible to believe that a name need not be spoken or indeed have any
audio characterisics whatsoever? How Terra-centric!!!
Michael zam...@gulf.net
jeff blank
In article <31def694...@news.earthlink.net>,
emte...@earthlink.net says...
*Snipped for brevity's sake...--------------------
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*THIS LEADS TO MY CONCLUSION!!!!
>
*The Vulcan family name is not spoken but, using the best word possible,
*understood. It is, in the presence of a Vulcan, by a Vulcan, merely
*understood! It is telepathically transmitted at time of contact. "You
*couldn't pronounce it" merely means that Humans do not possess the
*telepathic ability of Vulcans. Not that they're stupid, unskilled, or
*lacking body parts.
*This is why "Mr Spock" never tried to "pronounce" his other name. No
*one would have heard or understood it except for a telepath perhaps.
*(I'll leave it for another thread if Troi could "pronounce" his other
*name.) ( It may have been why "Mr.Spock"was teased as being a
*half-breed as a child. While he looked Vulcan he might not
*have been able to pronounce his name very well.) I believe that
*Vulcan names possess an informal vocal component and a formal
*telepathic component.
*It is also possible that the whole Vulcan name is telepathic and the
*spoken familiar name is a concession to a non-telepathic majority of
*the Federation.
*
*There it is!!! VERY LOGICAL!!!
*
*Michael McMahan
Gosh...And I just thought the writers couldn't come up with an exotic
enough name and decided to skip it altogether.
Justin McGuire
(snip)
> 2. In the Star Trek episode in question Mr. Spock tells the Jill Ireland
> character (Sorry I don't have my Star Trek Concordance available you know the
> one printed in the seventies! With the cute rotating Enterprise Saucer
Section.
> Anyone interested by the way?)what was her name Leila or something like that,
> "you couldn't pronounce it" I don't think Mr Spock was calling his new
> girlfriend stupid or insulting her linguistic skills. Do you really think the
> highly intelligent, though occasionally emotional, "Mr. Spock" would want a
> "dumb blonde" girlfriend or a mentally stimulating mate? Humans are capable of
> pronouncing quite challenging sets of phonemes. Watch CNN sometimes! C'mon how
> difficult could a Vulcan family name be to PRONOUNCE.
Try imitating a dog well enough to fool another dog. Or a cat. Or a
dolphin. They are all more closely related to us than Vulcans.There is no
reason to
assume that a Vulcan name could be pronounced by a human,indeed there is no
reason to assume that it even would fall into the frequency range detectable by
a human. When you watch CNN all you ever see is human beings pronouncing words
made up by human beings. Vulcans are aliens, not humans with funny ears. Their
vocal organs could be significantly different from ours.
Captain T'mara
: assume that a Vulcan name could be pronounced by a human,indeed there is no
: reason to assume that it even would fall into the frequency range detectable by
: a human. When you watch CNN all you ever see is human beings pronouncing words
: made up by human beings. Vulcans are aliens, not humans with funny ears. Their
: vocal organs could be significantly different from ours.
Ahh.. but this is the *entertainment* industry! Sorry to burst your
bubble, but all the Vulcans on Star Trek really *are* humans with funny
ears.
Captain T'mara
USS Adventure
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Nicola Avanzi
Michael McMahan
On 7 Jul 1996 19:34:36 GMT, jbl...@itis.com (jeff blank) wrote:
>
>
>Gosh...And I just thought the writers couldn't come up with an exotic
>enough name and decided to skip it altogether.
>
You probably have a point there. Damn, I wish I had thought of it. Look at how
long it took for Kramer and Benson to get a name. We all know how uncreative
Star Trek writers are :-b Mr. Spock didn't stand a chance. They were probably
all standing around having a smoke patting each other on the back for coming up
with Spock and didn't even think about spending one more second on the
character. Seriously though, Jeff baby there are still people that like to come
up with hypothetical situations, give them a little thought and share ideas. Yes
even on items as trivial as "Mr. Spock's other name." Its an escape and it
doesn't have to come from out of a bottle or syringe. Its called imagination,
check into it. :-/
Michael McMahan
"Comments Welcomed.Sarcasm Impaired Need Not Apply."
Michael McMahan
Morten F. Thomsen
> Gosh...And I just thought the writers couldn't come up with an exotic
> enough name and decided to skip it altogether.
Nobody likes a realist ;)
---
Morten F. Thomsen
Mimi Kahn
>> Gosh...And I just thought the writers couldn't come up with an exotic
>> enough name and decided to skip it altogether.
>
>Nobody likes a realist ;)
If this off-topic thread gets posted to alt.aol-sucks much longer,
Spock's first name will be MUD.
<followups redirected to Star Trek groups only>
Mimi
Dawn G., hv
In article <31e55b58....@news.hooked.net>, on Thu, 11 Jul 1996
19:55:55 GMT, njk...@hooked.net (Mimi Kahn) wrote-->
DAwn Replies----->>>
Mr. Spock's first name is self-evidently "Mr.", fairly common on Vulcan.
Unlike earth, where "Mr. Case" denotes a deficiency of the X chromosomes
(only one) among other items, all sexes on Vulcan carry the first name
"Mr."
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In article <31E553...@datax.no>, Morten F. Thomsen <tho...@datax.no> wrote:
>> Gosh...And I just thought the writers couldn't come up with an exotic
>> enough name and decided to skip it altogether.
Think of how long it took the writers to come up with a suitably cool
name for the Klingon homeworld....
C.J. "and whatever happened to the planet Remus anyway?" Wilson
ICEKNIFE
mcga...@access.digex.net (Dawn G., hv) wrote:
>In article <31e55b58....@news.hooked.net>, on Thu, 11 Jul 1996
>19:55:55 GMT, njk...@hooked.net (Mimi Kahn) wrote-->
>>On Thu, 11 Jul 1996 12:20:02 -0700, "Morten F. Thomsen"
>><tho...@datax.no> wrote:
>>>> Gosh...And I just thought the writers couldn't come up with an exotic
>>>> enough name and decided to skip it altogether.
>>>Nobody likes a realist ;)
>>If this off-topic thread gets posted to alt.aol-sucks much longer,
>>Spock's first name will be MUD.
>><followups redirected to Star Trek groups only>
>>Mimi
>DAwn Replies----->>>
> Mr. Spock's first name is self-evidently "Mr.", fairly common on Vulcan.
> Unlike earth, where "Mr. Case" denotes a deficiency of the X chromosomes
> (only one) among other items, all sexes on Vulcan carry the first name
> "Mr."
I forget the episode, (maybe it was a book) but I do recall Spock
mentioning at some point that his name was unpronounceable by humans.
ICEKNIFE
Jeff Woods
ICEKNIFE wrote:
>
> I forget the episode, (maybe it was a book) but I do recall Spock
> mentioning at some point that his name was unpronounceable by humans.
This Side of Paradise. (The Spores)
Mr. Aaron
Jeff Woods <je...@delta.com> wrote:
Dammit people...Spock's first name was Dan!!!! How many times do I have to tell you???????
Mark Nguyen
Spock's first name is Lyle. In a dropped scene from ST II, during the
death scene, Spock reveals this. The scene went something like this:
---
Spock: Ship... out of danger..?
Kirk: Yes, Lyle.
Spock (gagging): I told you, do not call me by first name..!
Kirk: I'm sorry.
Spock: It is too difficult for you to pronounce...
Kirk: I didn't find it all that hard.
Spock: Well, then it is too hard for me to listen to...
---
..or something like that. :)
Ah, Canadian fans should know what I'm talking about.
Mark
Peter Choi
In <4t6q44$3...@news.accessus.net> mra...@accessus.net (Mr. Aaron)
writes:
Or Spocky...I think. Cute. Isn't it?
Jack
Jeff Woods wrote:
>
> ICEKNIFE wrote:
> >
> > I forget the episode, (maybe it was a book) but I do recall Spock
> > mentioning at some point that his name was unpronounceable by humans.
>
> This Side of Paradise. (The Spores)
Actually, he's has the same name as Aunt Dolly gave the 'Dog' in
Footrot Flats.
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In article <31F6B1...@delta.com>, Jeff Woods <je...@delta.com> says:
>
>ICEKNIFE wrote:
>>
>> I forget the episode, (maybe it was a book) but I do recall Spock
>> mentioning at some point that his name was unpronounceable by humans.
>
>This Side of Paradise. (The Spores)
>
Capt K'Mak
Klingon Imperial Special Forces
Klingon Military Academy
Vinh-Nien Nguyen
Mark Nguyen wrote:
>
> Spock's first name is Lyle. In a dropped scene from ST II, during the
Dropped scene? I do recall seeing the scene when it aired in L.A. a
while ago.
half...@richmond.infi.net
Lyle? LYLE?? I always thought it was "Mister". Lyle, the Effectual Romulan.
--
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Walter Amante
half...@richmond.infi.net wrote:
>
> In article <320072...@vnisoft.com>, capt.vinh....@vnisoft.com wrote:
>
> >Mark Nguyen wrote:
> >>
> >> Spock's first name is Lyle. In a dropped scene from ST II, during the
> >
> >Dropped scene? I do recall seeing the scene when it aired in L.A. a
> >while ago.
>
> Lyle? LYLE?? I always thought it was "Mister". Lyle, the Effectual Romulan.
>
Spock commented that humans can't pronounce it. If a human read "R-A-L-P-H"
they would incorrectly say "Ralph" instead of "Lyle".
:)
Robin R Brown
are supposed to pronounce it L Y L E? Also, even though volcans have logic, they must get anoid every time someone pronounces it L=
Y L E, and they have to correct them?
-Cybertrill
Well then how come volcans have other names that we can pronounce, but
R-A-L-P-H or L-Y-L-E if you want are different, but other names aren't.
-Angel guild
Evan4560
mr Spock has no first name. Spock is his first name, we can't pronounce
his LAST name!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
see the episodes: THE JOURNEY TO BABEL and "THIS SIDE OF PARADISE"
PEACE, LIVE LONG AND PROSPER
Evan4560
SPOCK'S FIRST NAME IS SPOCK, IT IS HIS LAST NAME WE CANNOT
PRONOUNCE!!!!!!!!!!!
see: "The Journey to Babel"
PEACE, LIVE LONG, AND PROSPER
Hiro Funahashi
Here is the final, and I mean FINAL, conclusion to the series of
questions concerning Mr.Spock's name.
"Spock" IS his first name, and his last name is too complex for any
Terran languages to describe as Spock said himself in the episodes like .
According to Ms.D.C.Fontana's effort, however, to forcibly transliterate
Spock's last name into English, it can be spelled as: XTMPRSQZNTWLFB!.
For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
--
>>Hiro
kam...@tcp-ip.or.jp
"Our obligation to survive is owed not just to ourselves but also to that Cosmos, ancient and vast, from which we spring."---Carl Sagan [Cosmos]
Walter Amante
Hiro Funahashi wrote:
> For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
>
=
Mark Sidloi
No, either Tuvok's parents were not as traditional as Sarek and Amanda
(Spock's parent) or TPTB at paramount goofed again (Which happens very
often)
Mark
Sangdrax
>often)
>
>Mark
Since Tuvok does not start with either S or T'p....I'm guessing its
one of those unisex names...like Kelly or Jamie
Dan
lisette
Mark Sidloi wrote:
>
> Walter Amante wrote:
> >
> > Hiro Funahashi wrote:
> >
> > > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> > >
> >
> > Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
> > =
>
> No, either Tuvok's parents were not as traditional as Sarek and Amanda
> (Spock's parent) or TPTB at paramount goofed again (Which happens very
> often)
>
> Mark
Exactly...It's just tradition, not written in stone, that males are
given names starting with "S" and females with "T'".
Lisette
Mike (Nine Inch Nails) Van Roy
On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Hiro Funahashi wrote:
> For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
>
Tuvoc?
Mark D. Hall
>
>Hiro Funahashi wrote:
>
>> For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as
in
>> Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
>> T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
>>
>
>Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
> =
Only 5 characters in the names...they ran OUT of S-names! So, they
moved on to T. Nice of them to use the English alphabet...
Mark
Nathan Josel
In article <322329...@accent.net>, Mark Sidloi <msi...@accent.net> wrote:
> Walter Amante wrote:
> >
> > Hiro Funahashi wrote:
> >
> > > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> > >
> >
> > Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
> > =
>
>
> No, either Tuvok's parents were not as traditional as Sarek and Amanda
> (Spock's parent) or TPTB at paramount goofed again (Which happens very
> often)
>
> Mark
Saaviks a chick, ain't she?
@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@@
gonna jump like a flag,
gonna burn like a pig,
gonna flap around, and pass out on the kitchen floor,
gonna crawl like a rock,
gonna dance like a worm,
gonna take my shoes right off and smell my socks.
-B. Hansen
Chuck Smoot
mark...@ix.netcom.com(Mark D. Hall) wrote:
>In <3222EC67...@early.com> Walter Amante <Wa...@early.com> writes:
>>
>>Hiro Funahashi wrote:
>>
>>> For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as
>in
>>> Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
>>> T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
>>>
>>
>>Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
>> =
>Only 5 characters in the names...they ran OUT of S-names! So, they
>moved on to T. Nice of them to use the English alphabet...
>Mark
I forget the name of the episode, but wasn't the Vulcan who challenged
Spock for T'Pring (I think that's her name), a T-something name?
geo...@charleston.net
In article <5009tt$t...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>,
His name was Stonn.
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Brian K. Bragg
jos...@mail.idt.net (Nathan Josel) wrote of the following signs and
protents:
>In article <322329...@accent.net>, Mark Sidloi <msi...@accent.net> wrote:
>Saaviks a chick, ain't she?
Her name is also Romulan in origan, and Vularis is klingon.
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smo...@ix.netcom.com (Chuck Smoot) wrote of the following signs and
protents:
>mark...@ix.netcom.com(Mark D. Hall) wrote:
>>In <3222EC67...@early.com> Walter Amante <Wa...@early.com> writes:
>>Only 5 characters in the names...they ran OUT of S-names! So, they
>>moved on to T. Nice of them to use the English alphabet...
>>Mark
>I forget the name of the episode, but wasn't the Vulcan who challenged
>Spock for T'Pring (I think that's her name), a T-something name?
Nope, his name was Stonn
FloralMotif
On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Brian K. Bragg wrote:
> jos...@mail.idt.net (Nathan Josel) wrote of the following signs and
> protents:
>
> >In article <322329...@accent.net>, Mark Sidloi <msi...@accent.net> wrote:
>
>
> >Saaviks a chick, ain't she?
>
> Her name is also Romulan in origan, and Vularis is klingon.
>
What's your source for saying Valeris is Klingon?
Jeanne
Eric Matthews/Ruth Blaney/Jonah Rapp
Walter Amante wrote:
>
> Hiro Funahashi wrote:
>
> > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> >
>
> Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
> =
--TRM
Captain T'Mara
: For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
: Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
: T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
Another point: Saavik is half Romulan.
--
Captain T'Mara, USS Adventure
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Denny Shortliffe
Nathan Josel (jos...@mail.idt.net) writes:
> In article <322329...@accent.net>, Mark Sidloi <msi...@accent.net> wrote:
>
>> Walter Amante wrote:
>> >
>> > Hiro Funahashi wrote:
>> >
>> > > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
>> > > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
>> > > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
>> > >
>> >
>> > Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
>> > =
>>
>>
>> No, either Tuvok's parents were not as traditional as Sarek and Amanda
>> (Spock's parent) or TPTB at paramount goofed again (Which happens very
>> often)
>>
>> Mark
>
> Saaviks a chick, ain't she?
Yup, and her name's got six letters, not five!
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Mike (Nine Inch Nails) Van Roy wrote:
>
> On Tue, 27 Aug 1996, Hiro Funahashi wrote:
> > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> Tuvoc?
And what about Selar and Saavik? :-)
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On 28 Aug 1996, Nathan Josel wrote:
> In article <322329...@accent.net>, Mark Sidloi <msi...@accent.net> wrote:
>
> > Walter Amante wrote:
> > >
> > > Hiro Funahashi wrote:
> > >
> > > > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > > > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > > > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> > > >
> > >
> > > Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
> > > =
> >
> >
> > No, either Tuvok's parents were not as traditional as Sarek and Amanda
> > (Spock's parent) or TPTB at paramount goofed again (Which happens very
> > often)
> >
> > Mark
>
> Saaviks a chick, ain't she?
>
Then there's the ever-popular Valeris, my least favorite Vulcan
ever, who violates both "rules".
Jeanne
Mark Nguyen
sang...@ix.netcom.com(Sangdrax) wrote:
>In <322329...@accent.net> Mark Sidloi <msi...@accent.net> writes:
>>
>>>
>>> Hiro Funahashi wrote:
>>>
>>> > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S"
>as in
>>> > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as
>in
>>> > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
>>> >
>>>
>>> Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
>>> =
>>
>>
>> No, either Tuvok's parents were not as traditional as Sarek and
>Amanda
>>(Spock's parent) or TPTB at paramount goofed again (Which happens very
>
>>often)
>>
>>Mark
>
>one of those unisex names...like Kelly or Jamie
Hey! Don't forget TNG's Dr. Selar!
Mark
Brian K. Bragg
FloralMotif <coun...@intercomm.com> wrote of the following signs and
protents:
>On Wed, 28 Aug 1996, Brian K. Bragg wrote:
>> jos...@mail.idt.net (Nathan Josel) wrote of the following signs and
>> protents:
>> >In article <322329...@accent.net>, Mark Sidloi <msi...@accent.net> wrote:
>> >Saaviks a chick, ain't she?
>> Her name is also Romulan in origan, and Vularis is klingon.
>What's your source for saying Valeris is Klingon?
>Jeanne
Both of these are from the novelizations of ST films. Saavik form 3
and Valeris from 6. If I remember correctly the movie novelizations
are supposedly cannon, but then they don't even seem to consider the
episodes and movies cannon half the time.
Nathan Richards
Walter Amante (Wa...@early.com) wrote:
: Hiro Funahashi wrote:
:
: > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
: > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
: > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
: >
:
: Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
I always thought that Spock was T'sai Spock, as there have been
references to this in Trek books, and maybe one TOS episode. That's what
I remember. *shrug*
Nathan
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In article <5009tt$t...@dfw-ixnews4.ix.netcom.com>, Chuck Smoot says...
>
>I forget the name of the episode, but wasn't the Vulcan who challenged
>Spock for T'Pring (I think that's her name), a T-something name?
>
No, his name was Stonn.
Ghost
Why do you people care?
Glendor
In an effort to further examine the Vulcan name letter dilemma I have
compiled a list of many Vulcan names.
Male names: Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak, Sybok, Tuvok, Taurik,
(Xon)
Female names: T'Pau, T'Pring, T'Pel, T'plana-Hath, T'Pan, T'Lar, Selar,
Saavik, Valeris
It should be noted that the ST TNG Companion notes that Taurik, from
"Lower Decks" was originally to be called "Sorik." The name was changed
to fit with upcoming character, "Tuvok" (Nemecek 282). The name "Xon"
refers to the unused Vulcan science officer from the planned TV series
"Star Trek II" (Okuda, Okuda, Mirek 310).
It seems that MANY Vulcans have names beginning in either S or T, but
there is no apparent reason for a name beginning with either letter in
particular. It seems that only female Vulcans have names with the "T'-"
prefix. Suggestions have been made which suggest that Saavik and Valeris
may have Romulan origin. As no information to support this was included
in ANY Star Trek film, any source which makes such a claim cannot be
considered canon. Valeris (ST-VI) should not be confused with the
Klingon Valkris (ST-III). Maybe Valeris' (and Xon's) parents were
"rebels" (in the Sybok sense) and named their children in a
non-traditional manner. Maybe the writers of Star Trek have not given us
fans enough information to come to any conclusions.
Nemecek, Larry. The Star Trek The Next Generation Companion. New York,
Pocket Books. 1995.
Okuda, Michael, Denise Okuda, and Debbie Mirek. The Star Trek
Encyclopedia. New York, Pocket Books. 1994.
Robert L. Ens
Tuvok's name possibly starts with a "T" because Vulcan ran out of names that
began with "S" and didn't want to repeat themselves. Or more likely, since Tuvok
is black (I can't say "African-American" with Vulcans, even though Voyager is a
rediculously PC show), he probably originates from a different continent where
the tradition of given names is different (Or Paramount just goofed).
Elisabeth Pinto
Walter Amante wrote:
>
> Hiro Funahashi wrote:
>
> > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> >
>
> Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
I thought Vulcan names denoted class or something. For instance, whether
you were the oldest, or had a mate, or somethin'. Don't they have a
system of class on Vulcan?
Elisabeth, who knows nothing of Vulcans....
Jeff Velten
Walter Amante wrote:
>
> Hiro Funahashi wrote:
>
> > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> >
>
> Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
> =
from the Federation), the S names were started as a way to honor the
memory of Surak. I know the books don't constitute strict canon, but
this one has some very good insights into the Vulcan culture...
Jeff
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> Walter Amante wrote:
> >
> > Hiro Funahashi wrote:
> >
> > > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> > >
> >
> > Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
> > =
>
>
> No, either Tuvok's parents were not as traditional as Sarek and Amanda
> (Spock's parent) or TPTB at paramount goofed again (Which happens very
> often)
>
> Mark
As I recall, that whole honoring-Surak thing started as a suggestion in
the TOS-days that everyone followed, and then people just named their
Vulcan-character's names that followed suit. I don't think the nameing
thing was ever made canon.
Besides, Tuvok sounds a _lot_ better than Suvok.
Tom
lisette
Captain T'Mara wrote:
>
> : For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> : Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> : T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
>
>
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I was under the impression that Saavik was pure Romulan of a high caste.
In one of the books they explained that one of the cruelest forms
of revenge for a Romulan was abducting a child from the offending family
and abandoning him or her in a way that she or he would be found and
raised by the family's worst enemies, so that the child would grow to
hate their own family, forever out of reach. Saavik was left behind on
the planet she was found by Spock among ther ruins of a Vulcan science
expedition or colony. No one could account for the existence of a child
of that age. The other theory was that she was the product of a Vulcan
woman being raped by an attacking Romulan, leaving her pregnant to fend
for herself among the ruins of the expedition.
Scanner
I seem to recall somewhere (maybe in Gerolds 'World Of Star Trek' that
it is polular for Vulcans to name their children beginning with the
letter S, in honor of Surak (popular in human terms, you can consider
with Vulcan's that it is more a racial demonstration of honor to that
vulcan who 'saved' Vulcan from it's own eventual distruction.) This does
not mean however that ALL vulcans are named this way.
Scanner
Captain T'Mara
: I was under the impression that Saavik was pure Romulan of a high caste.
If Saavik was pure Romulan, why would she have any desire to act like a
Vulcan??
Curtis Crouch
> >
> > > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> > >
> >
> > =
> from the Federation), the S names were started as a way to honor the
> memory of Surak. I know the books don't constitute strict canon, but
> this one has some very good insights into the Vulcan culture...
>
> Jeff
>
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Robert L. Ens <en...@cadvision.com> wrote in article
<508k38$4c...@elmo.cadvision.com>...
> Tuvok's name possibly starts with a "T" because Vulcan ran out of names
that
> began with "S" and didn't want to repeat themselves. Or more likely,
since Tuvok
> is black (I can't say "African-American" with Vulcans, even though
Voyager is a
> rediculously PC show), he probably originates from a different continent
where
> the tradition of given names is different (Or Paramount just goofed).
>
>
>
Read "Spock's World it will tell you the answer to your question. The
names stem from the offspring of Surak the founder of the Vulcan way of
life and some of his followers.
JamesXIII
Im Artikel <Dwwy5s.11...@torfree.net>, bm...@torfree.net (Nathan
Richards) schreibt:
>I always thought that Spock was T'sai Spock, as there have been
>references to this in Trek books, and maybe one TOS episode. That's what
>I remember. *shrug*
>
>
Anyone ever thought tha Vulcans might have a *totally* different system of
names...?
Maybe "Spock" is neither his christian (well...) nor his families name but
just his *name*.
Klingons have a similar system (Mogh family, but Mogh is also the
christian (wel...) name
of some of its members (well, at least of one).
Commonly their *just* names are handled as christian (well...) or family
names, what-
ever is needed at the very moment.
Solution?
lisette
Because she was rescued by Vulcans and raised by them and you know how
they can be to someone that doesn'f "fit in", IDIC or not.
Steven Brock
Yeah What About Tuvok I don't get it.
FloralMotif
On Tue, 3 Sep 1996, Michael D. Viron wrote:
> What about Saavik--she was clearly female, not male, so there goes your
> theory. Also, somewhere, I read that the names Spock, etc.. were names
> adopted because humans could not pronounce their real names.
Anybody else have a source on this? The only comment I ever
recall about dificulty in pronunciation was in the Blish
adaptation of "Journey to Babel", when Kirk tries
to call Amanda "Mrs. Sarek" and she corrects him to "Amanda",
saying that he couldn't pronounce the Vulcan family name.
Also, recall that T'Pring and T'Pau call him "Spock", and I doubt
that either of them were being polite because there were humans present.
Jeanne
> In article <Pine.SOL.3.91.960828...@spot.intercomm.com> you wrote:
> : On 28 Aug 1996, Nathan Josel wrote:
> :
> : > In article <322329...@accent.net>, Mark Sidloi <msi...@accent.net> wrote:
> : >
> : > > Walter Amante wrote:
> : > > >
> : > > > Hiro Funahashi wrote:
> : > > >
> : > > > > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> : > > > > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> : > > > > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> : > > > >
> : > > >
> : > > > Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
> : > > > =
> : > >
> : > >
> : > > No, either Tuvok's parents were not as traditional as Sarek and Amanda
> : > > (Spock's parent) or TPTB at paramount goofed again (Which happens very
> : > > often)
> : > >
> : > > Mark
> : >
> : > Saaviks a chick, ain't she?
> : >
> : Then there's the ever-popular Valeris, my least favorite Vulcan
> : ever, who violates both "rules".
> :
> : Jeanne
> :
>
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Mark Nguyen (ngu...@arc.ab.ca) wrote: : sang...@ix.netcom.com(Sangdrax)
wrote: : >In <322329...@accent.net> Mark Sidloi <msi...@accent.net>
writes: : >> : >>Walter Amante wrote: : >>> : >>> Hiro Funahashi wrote:
: >>> : >>> > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start
with "S" : >as in : >>> > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's
begin with "T" as : >in : >>> > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau. : >>> > : >>> :
>>> Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
: >>> = : >> : >> : >> No, either Tuvok's parents were not as traditional
as Sarek and : >Amanda : >>(Spock's parent) or TPTB at paramount goofed
again (Which happens very : > : >>often) : >> : >>Mark : > : > Since
Tuvok does not start with either S or T'p....I'm guessing its : >one of
those unisex names...like Kelly or Jamie
: Hey! Don't forget TNG's Dr. Selar!
: Mark
Tuvok's parents wanted a girl
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Mark Nguyen <ngu...@arc.ab.ca> wrote:
>sang...@ix.netcom.com(Sangdrax) wrote:
>>In <322329...@accent.net> Mark Sidloi <msi...@accent.net> writes:
>>>
>>>Walter Amante wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Hiro Funahashi wrote:
>>>>
>>>> > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S"
>>as in
>>>> > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as
>>in
>>>> > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
>>>> >
>>>>
>>>> Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
>>>> =
>>>
>>>
>>> No, either Tuvok's parents were not as traditional as Sarek and
>>Amanda
>>>(Spock's parent) or TPTB at paramount goofed again (Which happens very
>>
>>>often)
>>>
>>>Mark
>>
>> Since Tuvok does not start with either S or T'p....I'm guessing its
>>one of those unisex names...like Kelly or Jamie
>Hey! Don't forget TNG's Dr. Selar!
>Mark
It looks to me like the Vulcans are breaking away from the strict
traditionalist forms for naming the children...Note also Saavik,
Valeris(where did that one come from)and Talleria(TNG, Gambit).
John Olsen
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Captain T'Mara <rcr...@teleport.com> wrote in article
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Ahhh.. come one.. The answer is simple.. just read the ST:II Wrath of Kahn
Novel.. It talks about Saavik being the product of Romulan rape..
There is a Novel specifically targeting Saaviks early child hood on some
Romulan Moon. Virus Experiment that destorys oxygen.. I forget the name of
the Novel.. but checkit out. Note-- interesting insight on early spock as a
galatic adventurer.
ps. ST:IV - undiscovered country is a rip.. that was supposed to be Kirstie
Alley as Saavik once again.. once again.. screwed over by casting
agents.. ( for those of you who recall Robin Curits in ST:III. ).. oh well.
Junk-Bot
> It looks to me like the Vulcans are breaking away from the strict
> traditionalist forms for naming the children...Note also Saavik,
> Valeris(where did that one come from)and Talleria(TNG, Gambit).
Here we go again...
Valeris was raised somewhere in the Klingon empire, and her parents (although
both Vulcans) were so interested in peace between the empires that they named
their daughter a Klingon name. Saavik is half Romulan, half Vulcan, so she
received a Romulan name.
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dt
Walter Amante wrote:
>
> Hiro Funahashi wrote:
>
> > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> >
>
> Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
> =
Who cares!!!!!!!
It doesn't really matter!!!!!!!
So fuck up already!!!!!!!!!
Adam Bernay
On Tue, 29 Oct 1996, dt wrote:
> Walter Amante wrote:
> >
> > Hiro Funahashi wrote:
> >
> > > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> > >
> >
> > Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
And, what about NextGen's Doctor Selar? It was explained in a NextGen
novel that female names beginning with T and an apostrophe (T'Pring,
T'Lar, T'Pau) are the names of bonded (married) Vulcan women. I believe
that Vulcan naming traditions indicate that *ANY* name can begin with T or
S. Only *BONDED* Vulcan women's names have the apostrophe...
L'chaim!
Adam Bernay
Walt Amante
dt wrote:
>
> Walter Amante wrote:
> >
> > Hiro Funahashi wrote:
> >
> > > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
> > > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
> > > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
> > >
> >
> > Then what about Voyager's Tuvok? Is he a female-to-male transexual?
>
> Who cares!!!!!!!
> It doesn't really matter!!!!!!!
> So fuck up already!!!!!!!!!
Hummm....
It seems that YOU must really care and YOU want to keep this
rather old subject tread going and going and going....
Otherwise, why did you pick an VERY old posting of mine, made
a LONG time ago, and suddenly now, choice to reply to it???
WRobert525
Qavan, brothers - but I must ask, does this Spock NEED a first name?! One
name suffices many Klingon warriors, so it should do the same for a
ridge-less headed Vulcan.
Rocky
In one of the recent paperbacks it was noted that for a short time
Vulcans have been naming their children with non-traditional names.
It's a new practice, one that's not completely accepted by the
population-at-large. Kinda like naming your kid Moonbeam or Chevy or
Dweezil. No offense.
Artis
Regarding Vulcan names, the "S" for males and "T" for females is not an
absolute. Don't forget about Saavik and Valeris--Vulcan females.
So...Tuvok for a male is probably okay.
rob van doorn
Get your facts in order !!! Spock's first name is HAROLD !!!
I read it in Leonard Nimoy's book "I am Spock"
At a convention, someone asked Jane Wyatt, the actress who plays Amanda in "Journey to
Babel" what Spock's first name was (She should know, being his mother!)
She smilingly replied :"Harold."
Always ready to add to the world of Star Trek,
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Funny. :-)
Claude D. Bilbo
In <328697...@interpath.com>, Artis wrote:
>Regarding Vulcan names, the "S" for males and "T" for females is not an
>absolute. Don't forget about Saavik and Valeris--Vulcan females.
>So...Tuvok for a male is probably okay.
Or maybe it just means that Tuvok is effeminate.
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Rocky <rro...@planet.eon.net> wrote:
>Walt Amante wrote:
>>
>> dt wrote:
>> >
>> > Walter Amante wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hiro Funahashi wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > For the reference's sake, names of the male Vulcan start with "S" as in
>> > > > Spock, Sarek, Surak, Stonn, Sonak; and female's begin with "T" as in
>> > > > T'Pring, T'Lar, T'Pau.
>> > > >
Spocks name translated to it's english equivalent is: tall stupid pointy
eared fuck head.
I hope this ends this crazy pointless bullshit...
Brad Kimberly
I was always partial to "Steve Spock."
--Brad =)
Tom_Austin
Brad Kimberly wrote:
>
> I was always partial to "Steve Spock."
>
> --Brad =)
--
C'mon people! Spock TOLD us what his first name is!
It was in the episode where he breathes the hippy happy dust and goes
googly-eyed!
Spock's babe: Hey baby, I can make you feel REAL nice if you tell me
your first name!
Spock: (dumb smile) "Youcouldn'tpronounceit"
So there you have it: Youcouldn'tpronounceit Spock.
Renata Kussack
In article <3288A5...@Bayou.UH.EDU>, Brad Kimberly
<st...@Bayou.UH.EDU> wrote:
> I was always partial to "Steve Spock."
>
Benjamin. It was Benjamin. He wrote books on Babies also... :)
--
ren...@berlin.snafu.de :)
"Hat sich die Katze an Ihrer Hand festgebissen,
laesst sie sich unter fliessend Wasser leicht entfernen!"
Chris Skidmore
Could someone please help my memory,
In which ep. did Spock tell Kirk that humans could not pronounce
Vulcan first names?
_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ When tomorrow comes,
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ this day will be gone,
_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ leaving in its place something
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ that I have traded for it;
_/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ May it be gain, not loss- good,not evil.
Jeff Kushen
I hate to break it to you folks, but Spock is not Spock's name AT ALL.
Many Vulcans choose names that other "less vocally adapted" life forms can
pronouce to make addressing one eaisier. Therefore "Spock " is a nick
name. And Yes Harold is his real first name. Although Sarek was always
embarassed about it. So was Spock.
Ulti-Matt!
Tom_Austin wrote:
>
> Brad Kimberly wrote:
> >
> > I was always partial to "Steve Spock."
> >
> C'mon people! Spock TOLD us what his first name is!
>
> It was in the episode where he breathes the hippy happy dust and goes
> googly-eyed!
>
> Spock's babe: Hey baby, I can make you feel REAL nice if you tell me
> your first name!
>
> Spock: (dumb smile) "Youcouldn'tpronounceit"
>
> So there you have it: Youcouldn'tpronounceit Spock.
I always thought it was "Ralph" but he pronounces it "Raef," like Ralph
Finnes.
"Raef Spock."
Ulti-Matt!
Merrick Baldelli
> In which ep. did Spock tell Kirk that humans could not pronounce
>Vulcan first names?
It was "Journey to Babel". And it was Amanda (Spock's mother) that
made mention of this to Kirk (or perhaps it was McCoy), when he said
Mrs. Sarek.
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In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.961113...@minerva.cis.yale.edu>, Chris Skidmore <skid...@pantheon.yale.edu> writes:
>Could someone please help my memory,
>
> In which ep. did Spock tell Kirk that humans could not pronounce
>Vulcan first names?
>
i think it was "this side of paradise", but it is the one with the
spores that make you happy and lets you live in radiation that should
kill you.
--
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" the realization that the pursuit of knowledge can be an
end unto itself is the beginning and highest form of wisdom"
Lee Billings
>
>Could someone please help my memory,
>
> In which ep. did Spock tell Kirk that humans could not pronounce
>Vulcan first names?
>
It was "This Side of Paradise" and he didn't say it to Kirk but to the
lady he'd fallen in love with (whose name I've forgotten) under the
influence of the spores.
P.Konigsberg
> Could someone please help my memory,
>
> In which ep. did Spock tell Kirk that humans could not pronounce
> Vulcan first names?
Um, he never told Kirk, he told Leyla Kalomi (Jill Ireland) in the ep.
"This Side of Paradise".
LK: Mr.Spock, you never told me your first name
Spock: (pause) ... You couldn't pronounce it.
Brian J. Tarricone
If you've read "I am Spock" (released end of last year by Leonard
Nimoy), you may remember that Nimoy says that at a Star Trek convention,
Jane Wyatt (the actress who played Spock's mother) said that Spock's
first name was "Harold." Heh, heh, heh...
--
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Shelley
I think Spock's first name is Bunny and he's too embarrassed to admit
it...
--
1ľ
Colin McElhatton
The Vulcan way would be one of non-violence, non-violence not because
chosen from violence but because neither are perceived or tolerated. No
emotions, reason based on logic, sacrificing the self in favour of the
many, because that is the logical thing to do....hard eh?
Live Long and Prosper.
--
The \\/anderer
It's Blair!
On 14 Nov 1996 06:02:36 GMT, bill...@chattanooga.net (Lee Billings)
informed us thusly:
>In article
><Pine.GSO.3.95.961113...@minerva.cis.yale.edu>, Chris
>Skidmore says...
>>
>>Could someone please help my memory,
>>
>> In which ep. did Spock tell Kirk that humans could not pronounce
>>Vulcan first names?
>>
>
>It was "This Side of Paradise" and he didn't say it to Kirk but to the
>lady he'd fallen in love with (whose name I've forgotten) under the
>influence of the spores.
>
He was just embarrassed that his name was Myron Spock.... ;-)
AIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
-My brother at age 8 when I accidentally nailed him in the willie
with a Tron lightcycle in the very early 80's...
Blair, just Blair, Dammit!
>In article
><Pine.GSO.3.95.961113...@minerva.cis.yale.edu>, Chris
>Skidmore says...
>>
>>Could someone please help my memory,
>>
>> In which ep. did Spock tell Kirk that humans could not pronounce
>>Vulcan first names?
>>
>
>It was "This Side of Paradise" and he didn't say it to Kirk but to the
>lady he'd fallen in love with (whose name I've forgotten) under the
>influence of the spores.
>
He was just embarrassed that his name was Myron Spock.... ;-)
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Ulti-Matt! wrote:
> I always thought it was "Ralph" but he pronounces it "Raef," like Ralph
> Finnes.
>
> "Raef Spock."
>
> Ulti-Matt!
No, no, no. His first name is LYLE. Remember the cut scene from The
Wrath of Kahn?
Mark
Matthew S. Fearing
Why is "Harold" any less phonetically possible for humans than "Spock"?
Jeff Kushen <jt_...@hotmail.com> wrote in article
<01bbd1ab$92618ce0$493bd8ce@#bsherrin>...
Olaf
Chris Skidmore <skid...@pantheon.yale.edu> wrote:
>Could someone please help my memory,
> In which ep. did Spock tell Kirk that humans could not pronounce
>Vulcan first names?
I remember in "Journey to Babel," Amanda told Kirk that humans found
it very difficult to pronounce Vulcan _family_names_.
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Chris Skidmore <skid...@pantheon.yale.edu> schreef in artikel
<Pine.GSO.3.95.961113...@minerva.cis.yale.edu>...
> Could someone please help my memory,
>
> In which ep. did Spock tell Kirk that humans could not pronounce
> Vulcan first names?
>
> _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ When tomorrow comes,
> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ this day will be gone,
> _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ _/ _/_/ leaving in its place something
> _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ that I have traded for it;
> _/_/_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/_/_/ _/_/_/ May it be gain, not loss- good,not
evil.
>
>
He did not! In The 25th anneversery CD-ROM adventure you can access Spock's
computer an ask it about Spock. and it will tell you that Spock's first
name can not be pronounced in Fed. standard English!!!!
ab...@icon-stl.net
"Brian J. Tarricone" <psy...@smart.net> wrote:
>If you've read "I am Spock" (released end of last year by Leonard
>Nimoy), you may remember that Nimoy says that at a Star Trek convention,
>Jane Wyatt (the actress who played Spock's mother) said that Spock's
>first name was "Harold." Heh, heh, heh...
Sorry to burst your bubble, but his name was Richard, but he was commonly
known around the Enterprise as Dick Spock. Of course, Dr. McCoy was the
first to reveal this when he was overheard saying..."that Dick Spock!" I
hope that this will end all of this boring conjecture regarding his first
name. Now, shut off your computer and go to bed!