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Terry

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May 17, 2003, 1:44:09 PM5/17/03
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Oh well any excuse is better than none I suppose.
"Keeper of the Purple Twilight" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <3ec671d7_1@newsfeed>, Terry <woffo...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > In ST III, The Search For Spock. Savik tells David..." Ponn Far, Vulcan
> > males must endure it every 7 years." No mention of women. I wish the
writers
> > would at least watch the other series and movies before writing.
>
> Exactly. Saavik's line didn't mention women, so pon farr can affect
> them too. She didn't say "Women don't have to endure it".
>
> --
> łOnly the dead have seen the end of war.˛
> - Plato


The Macho Milquetoast

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May 17, 2003, 3:06:40 PM5/17/03
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"Terry" <woffo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3ec671d7_1@newsfeed...

> In ST III, The Search For Spock. Savik tells David..." Ponn Far, Vulcan
> males must endure it every 7 years." No mention of women. I wish the
writers
> would at least watch the other series and movies before writing.

Unless Vulcan women endure it at different intervals than men!

James


jimmy

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May 17, 2003, 4:21:03 PM5/17/03
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Then we run into other issues as well if they say the women have it at
different intervals. I would think the intervals would be the same so
that they could mate every 7yrs, if not you have men going into Ponn
Far and the women not responding because they arn't.

It would make more sense that women don't go into Ponn Far and
basically wait for the men.

Unless of course Vulcan society is less inhibited and the men or women
can mate with the opposite sex (or same sex) outside the marriage to
solve the Ponn Far issue if they don't have the same interval. I
would think the Ponn Far issue would be somthing that would have to
match up before the marriage is persued so they don't run into this
issue. Of course love could cause this to happen but since the Vulcans
don't experience love(at least they say they don't) this explanation
does really work either.

Any other ideas?

Raker

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May 17, 2003, 6:08:14 PM5/17/03
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As I recall, at the time of the filming of Star Trek III (it was released in
1984), the only other mention of Ponn Far was in Amok Time. I believe
Spock's line introducing it in that episode was: "It is called Ponn Far.
Vulcan males must endure it every seven years."

No women were mentioned.

Todd

"Terry" <woffo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3ec671d7_1@newsfeed...
> In ST III, The Search For Spock. Savik tells David..." Ponn Far, Vulcan
> males must endure it every 7 years." No mention of women. I wish the
writers
> would at least watch the other series and movies before writing.
>

> Terry
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Raker

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May 17, 2003, 6:13:23 PM5/17/03
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Biologists have said that homo sapiens is an interesting species in that
most other mammalian females go into heat at some point -- note your dog or
cat. Human women, however, are essentially in a perpetual state of heat
through their reproductive years. Human men respond accordingly.

Either way, Earth mammals have some form of heat to indicate sexual
readiness, generally in the female.

So, think biologically here. Imagine the gender that goes into heat is
reversed for Vulcans, that the male goes into heat, and the female responds
accordingly at the biological signals. (In Earth mammals, that tends to be a
pheromone thing. Figure out whatever you like for Vulcans.)

Todd

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El Whappo

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May 17, 2003, 11:18:28 PM5/17/03
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Oh, I thought he said Porn Star not Ponn Far

"Terry" <woffo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:3ec671d7_1@newsfeed...
> In ST III, The Search For Spock. Savik tells David..." Ponn Far, Vulcan
> males must endure it every 7 years." No mention of women. I wish the
writers
> would at least watch the other series and movies before writing.
>

> Terry
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El Whappo

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May 17, 2003, 11:18:32 PM5/17/03
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Vulcan women are every 8 years.


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Karen Chuplis

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May 18, 2003, 12:09:44 AM5/18/03
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in article 7uyxa.10210$5y5....@twister.nyroc.rr.com, Raker at
ra...@twcny.rr.com wrote on 5/17/03 5:13 PM:

> Biologists have said that homo sapiens is an interesting species in that
> most other mammalian females go into heat at some point -- note your dog or
> cat. Human women, however, are essentially in a perpetual state of heat
> through their reproductive years.

Well. Theoretically.

Karen

Terry

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May 18, 2003, 12:13:47 AM5/18/03
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I f you find one in perpetual heat i can name 20 guys that would like to
meet her lol.
Terry
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Lucas Bachmann

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May 18, 2003, 1:57:58 PM5/18/03
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Well she did say that it had never happened
to her before and she's like 65.

The logical equivalent of the conversation so far....

Terry
"Star Trek III said males have a penis."

Keeper of the Purple Twilight

"Exactly, no mention of women so women have penises too."

Lucas "who would never say 'exactly' and then state that it means the
exact opposite of what was said and why it was quoted" Bachmann

El Whappo

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May 18, 2003, 3:07:55 PM5/18/03
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"Keeper of the Purple Twilight" <n...@spam.invalid> wrote in message
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> In article <3EC7C9A2...@yahoo.com>, Lucas Bachmann

> <lucasb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > Well she did say that it had never happened
> > to her before and she's like 65.
>
> She's only been betrothed once, hasn't she? (to Koss) I assume she
> was never near him when he was going through pon farr - AFAIK, she'd
> never even met Koss before.
>
> I'm going with the theory that Vulcan women usually don't go through
> pon farr alone; it's only if there's a male nearby that's having pon
> farr. Does that make any sense?

Finally a good solution. Since her Pon Farr was brought about by disease
this is very possible. She didn't mention this because as she said "We
dont' speak about it"

Lucas Bachmann

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May 18, 2003, 10:43:46 PM5/18/03
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Keeper of the Purple Twilight wrote:
> In article <3EC7C9A2...@yahoo.com>, Lucas Bachmann
> <lucasb...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>

>>Well she did say that it had never happened
>>to her before and she's like 65.
>
>

> She's only been betrothed once, hasn't she? (to Koss) I assume she
> was never near him when he was going through pon farr - AFAIK, she'd
> never even met Koss before.
>

Koss must be a rather angry fellow then. :-)
Lucas

George Dainis

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May 19, 2003, 5:57:19 AM5/19/03
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On Sun, 18 May 2003 18:22:13 GMT, Keeper of the Purple Twilight
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>I'm going with the theory that Vulcan women usually don't go through
>pon farr alone; it's only if there's a male nearby that's having pon
>farr. Does that make any sense?

The problem I'm having with all this is the base example set by
T'Pring in "Amok Time". SHE sure didn't appear to be rolling on the
floor panting.

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