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L. A. McGrath

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Nov 14, 2002, 12:26:46 AM11/14/02
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Ok, so WHY doesn't anything high tech they take on an Away mission have a
built in anti-tamper device, that turns the insides into a puddle of melted
goo if it's tampered with? And why don't the Phase Pistols have a trigger
lock that only allows the person it's assigned to to fire it? (We're
developing those NOW!) Palm print scanner grip, bioscan tuned to one person,
even the radio ring or bracelet we have now.

It might also make more sense to take only either tech/weapons of the level
of the planet, or high tech DISGUISED to blend in with the planet's tech..
not obvious alien devices.

And Ok, so they saved the planet from Tech contamination.. but now the one
side thinks the other has cloaking/stealth ships, Energy weapons, and
genetically engineered supersoldiers.. Gee, what are they gonna do?
Pre-emtive strike, anyone? Attack the enemy before they can bring all that
tech into front line service? Archer's little story may just have been the
straw that started a world war.

Lachlan
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L. A. McGrath
LAMC...@Prodigy.net


Ville Salo

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Nov 14, 2002, 12:40:14 AM11/14/02
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On Thu, 14 Nov 2002 05:26:46 GMT, "L. A. McGrath"
<lamc...@prodigy.net> wrote:

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>Ok, so WHY doesn't anything high tech they take on an Away mission have a
>built in anti-tamper device, that turns the insides into a puddle of melted
>goo if it's tampered with? And why don't the Phase Pistols have a trigger
>lock that only allows the person it's assigned to to fire it? (We're
>developing those NOW!) Palm print scanner grip, bioscan tuned to one person,
>even the radio ring or bracelet we have now.

Don't go down that road. Star Trek science and technology has to be
taken as is. If you start thinking about these things, you're only
going to develop a serious synaptic leak. You just have to understand
that on some areas Star Trek science is behind 21st century science.
As I've said before, Star Trek is not about technology or science.
That nifty future stuff is only an excuse for exciting adventures,
difficult moral dilemmas, interspecies mating etc.

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Ville Salo
ville.salo(at)uta.fi

Howard Nelson

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Nov 14, 2002, 1:12:08 AM11/14/02
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"L. A. McGrath" <lamc...@prodigy.net> wrote in
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One the other hand, suspecting you are totally outclassed by your enemy,
make peace. Don't just surrender, but make like you are offering them a
chance to save themselves.

--
Howard Nelson

"Never attribute to malice that which can be adequately explained by
stupidity".

A Bag Of Memes

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Nov 14, 2002, 3:31:32 AM11/14/02
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"L. A. McGrath" <lamc...@prodigy.net> wrote in message
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> Ok, so WHY doesn't anything high tech they take on an Away mission have a
> built in anti-tamper device, that turns the insides into a puddle of
melted
> goo if it's tampered with? And why don't the Phase Pistols have a trigger
> lock that only allows the person it's assigned to to fire it? (We're
> developing those NOW!) Palm print scanner grip, bioscan tuned to one
person,
> even the radio ring or bracelet we have now.

Or just a remote triggered transporter beacon. Sweep the surface, trigger
the beacon, beam the equipment out.

Barry in Indy

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Nov 14, 2002, 5:47:36 AM11/14/02
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And why do they spend time physically searching the ship for the missing
communicator, and then use their technology to locate it on the planet?
Couldn't they have determined it was not on the ship the same way?

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barry in indy

Knock me out to reply


David B.

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Nov 14, 2002, 5:56:14 AM11/14/02
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"L. A. McGrath" wrote:
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> Ok, so WHY doesn't anything high tech they take on an Away mission have a
> built in anti-tamper device, that turns the insides into a puddle of melted
> goo if it's tampered with? And why don't the Phase Pistols have a trigger
> lock that only allows the person it's assigned to to fire it? (We're
> developing those NOW!)

They've never ever did anything like that in the previous Trek series.
Since ENT's a prequel you can't have them do something in the 22nd century
that they don't do in the 23rd and 24th.

A Bag Of Memes

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Nov 14, 2002, 12:33:27 PM11/14/02
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Even if it's something we do in the 21st century.

abracadabra

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Nov 14, 2002, 2:42:31 PM11/14/02
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"Howard Nelson" <6521o...@attbi.com> wrote in message
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Pretty unlikely. More likely is a "surprise attack" with whatever WMD's you
have on hand.

Alpha

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Nov 14, 2002, 10:54:17 PM11/14/02
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"L. A. McGrath" <lamc...@prodigy.net> wrote:

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>Ok, so WHY doesn't anything high tech they take on an Away mission have a
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What I found most odd is that they couldn't just beam the communicator
off the planet. What do they usually do when transporting something or
someone? Attach a communicator to it.
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David B.

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Nov 15, 2002, 3:15:18 AM11/15/02
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Yeah, even if.

kavking

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Nov 17, 2002, 10:14:58 AM11/17/02
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"L. A. McGrath" <lamc...@prodigy.net> wrote in message news:<quGA9.428$yl5.25...@newssvr15.news.prodigy.com>...

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> And Ok, so they saved the planet from Tech contamination.. but now the one
> side thinks the other has cloaking/stealth ships, Energy weapons, and
> genetically engineered supersoldiers.. Gee, what are they gonna do?
> Pre-emtive strike, anyone? Attack the enemy before they can bring all that
> tech into front line service? Archer's little story may just have been the
> straw that started a world war.

I think that's exactly what T'Pol was trying to tell Archer at the end
of the episode.
K

The Dark Magus

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Nov 17, 2002, 11:12:59 AM11/17/02
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On 17 Nov 2002 07:14:58 -0800, kav...@earthlink.net (kavking) wrote:

>> And Ok, so they saved the planet from Tech contamination.. but now the one
>> side thinks the other has cloaking/stealth ships, Energy weapons, and
>> genetically engineered supersoldiers.. Gee, what are they gonna do?
>> Pre-emtive strike, anyone? Attack the enemy before they can bring all that
>> tech into front line service? Archer's little story may just have been the
>> straw that started a world war.

>I think that's exactly what T'Pol was trying to tell Archer at the end
>of the episode.

I think she was calling Archer a wimp for letting those brown-shirted
nazi cretins hang him and Reed.

The other captains of Starships would have never acted that way. Kirk,
Picard and Janeway would have turned that planet into glass before
submitting to the humiliation of being hanged by nazi cretins.

Maybe Archer should take Phlox's advice and seek help from T'Pol for
his "sexual repression" . She could give him a "Monica" and he would
be back to his senses.

We all know she is going to end up in bed with him anyway, so why the
bloody wait as his brain turns to liberal mush?


The Dark Magus
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"A ruler who violates natural law is illegitimate. He has no right to
be obeyed, his commands are mere force and coercion. Rulers who act
lawlessly, whose laws are unlawful, are mere criminals, and should be
dealt with in accordance with natural law, as applied in a state of
nature, in other words they and their servants should be killed as the
opportunity presents, like the dangerous animals that they are, the
common enemies of all mankind."
--John Locke

The Dark Magus

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Nov 17, 2002, 4:06:46 PM11/17/02
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On Sun, 17 Nov 2002 10:06:33 -0800, Star...@chrusher.orgg wrote:

>>Maybe Archer should take Phlox's advice and seek help from T'Pol for
>>his "sexual repression" . She could give him a "Monica" and he would
>>be back to his senses.

>Wouldn't that leave a stain on her cat suit.
>Probably a yellow one at that.
>Archer sucks.
>It's time to kill off the wimpy bastard before he kills the show.

Up to this last episode I would have argued with you about the
character of Jonathan Archer. But this episode has exposed a yellow
streak that I hope the writers can get rid of damn.

Star Trek heroes are not cowards, they are not wimps. They kick ass
wherever they go - in their own compassionate sort of way.

>I don't even care if I miss the show anymore. this was never the case
>with the other ST series.

I hate to see the show get ruined over this kind of issue. Up to now I
considered it the best of the entire Star Trek series. Maybe this was
just an abberation of one script writer.

I hope the producers are tuned into these forums, because I want them
to know we old timers won't tolerate any politically correct bleeding
heart liberal crap on Star Trek. Either kick ass or get off the air.

X-Delta

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Nov 17, 2002, 2:54:45 PM11/17/02
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"The Dark Magus" <sp...@spam.com> wrote in message
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> On 17 Nov 2002 07:14:58 -0800, kav...@earthlink.net (kavking) wrote:
>
> >> And Ok, so they saved the planet from Tech contamination.. but now the
one
> >> side thinks the other has cloaking/stealth ships, Energy weapons, and
> >> genetically engineered supersoldiers.. Gee, what are they gonna do?
> >> Pre-emtive strike, anyone? Attack the enemy before they can bring all
that
> >> tech into front line service? Archer's little story may just have been
the
> >> straw that started a world war.
>
> >I think that's exactly what T'Pol was trying to tell Archer at the end
> >of the episode.
>
> I think she was calling Archer a wimp for letting those brown-shirted
> nazi cretins hang him and Reed.
>
> The other captains of Starships would have never acted that way. Kirk,
> Picard and Janeway would have turned that planet into glass before
> submitting to the humiliation of being hanged by nazi cretins.

Kirk was willing to die at the hands of the Roman-like world rather than
violate the prime directive.


T F N

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Nov 17, 2002, 8:15:37 PM11/17/02
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Why not just use the transporter to beam everything and everyone. Definitely
would have limited contamination. Archer and Malcolm would have just been
listed as escapee's from a detention area. Yes I know they don't like to use
it, but it seemed to work just fine with inanimate objects and it works just
fine as a last resort option with people. Both of which apply to this
episode. They should have never even had the transporters or at the very
least showed them as an ""under development type technology"". Show some
people dying or mutilated because of the thing. Transport someone partially
materialized into a solid object..what a horrible death. Have an inertial
dampener fail on deck whatever and a crewman get splattered all over a
bulkhead. This is just sloppy writing at its worst. Where were Archers and
Malcolm's UT's any way or did they spontaneously learn an alien language. It
seems every week this show can't make up its mind on how detail oriented or
in which direction it wants to go.

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