TOS Challenge "Female Trek"
Matthias Brauer
A little Challenge for all the TOS fans:
Write a short story there one (or more) of the Classic Trinity (Kirk,
Spock, Bones) is born (no accidental transformations, please) female.
Barbarossa
Alara Rogers
Done. "Jane Kirk's Enterprise: Sacrifice", posted I guess about two,
three weeks ago. I can email it to you if you want.
I also intend to swap the Spock of the same universe, but not McCoy.
Jemima Pereira
<MC.B...@tu-bs.de> wrote:
Just wait until all those ENT stories start showing up. I think they'll
fit the bill.
>8)
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Alara Rogers
> In article <3B2F2E...@tu-bs.de>, Matthias Brauer
> <MC.B...@tu-bs.de> wrote:
>
> > A little Challenge for all the TOS fans:
> > Write a short story there one (or more) of the Classic Trinity (Kirk,
> > Spock, Bones) is born (no accidental transformations, please) female.
>
> Just wait until all those ENT stories start showing up. I think they'll
> fit the bill.
Unless T'Pol is half-human, I doubt they'll actually serve the same
purpose as genderswapping Spock.
Is the doctor supposed to be female? I know the captain's not.
TLin
>> > Write a short story there one (or more) of the Classic Trinity (Kirk,
>> > Spock, Bones) is born (no accidental transformations, please) female.
>>
>> Just wait until all those ENT stories start showing up. I think they'll
>> fit the bill.
>
>Unless T'Pol is half-human, I doubt they'll actually serve the same
>purpose as genderswapping Spock.
>
Actually, there is a story with 'Spock' as female ... it's called "That's a
Switch" by JMLane, and can be found on the Spock_N_Christine List Archive -
http://www.kiristeen.com/list/
>Is the doctor supposed to be female? I know the captain's not.
No, the Doctor is male (and an alien)
For more info on the cast, go to http://www.enterprisecrew.com/
>:-]
T'Lin
http://www.geocities.com/tlin_s/
http://www.geocities.com/femme_fuhq_fest/index.html
"To hell with crack, heroin, whiskey, tobacco. Writing is far and away the
single most addictive thing in the universe, IMHO." ~ Greywolf
Alara Rogers
> Actually, there is a story with 'Spock' as female ... it's called "That's a
> Switch" by JMLane, and can be found on the Spock_N_Christine List Archive -
> http://www.kiristeen.com/list/
An interesting take on it. Not at all what I had planned to do, so I
don't have to feel like I'm treading on someone else's turf. :-)
Gamin Davis
Ooh, I've got a friend who wrote a story that did that with Spock.
I'll see if I can get her to post it. (I don't have anything along those
lines--it's a little too AU for me, at least for me to *write*.)
Gamin
Gamin Davis
<20010619182552...@ng-ch1.aol.com>:
>"That's a Switch" by JMLane, and can be found on the Spock_N_Christine
>List Archive - http://www.kiristeen.com/list/
That's the one I was talking about--I'm trying to get her to post it
here, although whe'll probably want to finish getting "Dark Frontier"
posted first. (Is anybody here reading that? I hadn't noticed any
comments on it.)
Gamin
Matthias Brauer
>
> >> > A little Challenge for all the TOS fans:
> >> > Write a short story there one (or more) of the Classic Trinity (Kirk,
> >> > Spock, Bones) is born (no accidental transformations, please) female.
> >>
> >> Just wait until all those ENT stories start showing up. I think they'll
> >> fit the bill.
> >
> >Unless T'Pol is half-human, I doubt they'll actually serve the same
> >purpose as genderswapping Spock.
> >
>
> Actually, there is a story with 'Spock' as female ... it's called "That's a
> Switch" by JMLane, and can be found on the Spock_N_Christine List Archive -
> http://www.kiristeen.com/list/
be more interessting if Chapel has stayed female.
Barbarossa
Alara Rogers
> be more interessting if Chapel has stayed female.
I didn't object to that, but I had a problem with the notion of
everyone hitting on T'Karri. In my experience, if a woman carries
herself as if she's Not. Interested. and shoots people down in a
scathing enough way, no one bothers her. I think it would have taken
just *one* raised eyebrow from T'Karri and a pointed comment as to why
the men in question were unable to retrieve the object they had
dropped themselves, suggesting that they see a doctor about the lack
of flexibility in their spine, and the sexual harassment would have
stopped. Men don't like to be rejected in humiliating ways, and
T'Karri was shown to be sufficiently annoyed with the behavior that
she should have been doing her best Spockian "I fail to understand why
you humans are so utterly ignorant of everything" humiliate-the-idiots
thing. (This might not have stopped Christopher Chapel, but it
certainly would have put a stop to the rest of it.)
I also find it fairly ridiculous that Vulcans would assume that
T'Karri was sleeping with Kirk or McCoy just ebcause she invited them
to her *wedding*. Isn't that the last place you'd invite your
boyfriend, or a man you were interested in? Starn was just an
illogical bigot, and he was in pon farr so that's not too unlikely,
but T'Pau having that attitude really didn't make much sense. Surely
Vulcan women work with and develop friendships with men all the time--
the fact that they are bonded to their mates means Vulcans are
unlikely to be overly jealous of same-sex friendships, because they
*know* whether their partner is cheating or not.
But it was an interesting take on it. Christopher Chapel makes a more
interesting man than woman, at least as written by this author. I wish
we'd seen a bit more of the friendship between Kirk and T'Karri,
because I've never seen Kirk be friends with a woman he's never slept
with, and I'm not sure how he'd behave (well, he's friendly with Uhura
but I couldn't call them *friends* most of the time.) But I liked the
fact that they *were* friends and not lovers, as *the* most obvious
thing to do with a genderswap of either Kirk or Spock is promptly pair
them off together.
Gamin Davis
<a62fa74d.01062...@posting.google.com>:
>I didn't object to that, but I had a problem with the notion of
>everyone hitting on T'Karri. In my experience, if a woman carries
Have you mentioned this to JM? I'm going to pass these comments on,
because AFAIK, she hasn't seen any on this one in ages (she lives with me--
no income, no place to live, long story). This was one of my objections as
well, BTW, and I beta'ed it for her.
Gamin
P.S. She might want to E-mail you both.
Matthias Brauer
> Done. "Jane Kirk's Enterprise: Sacrifice", posted I guess about two,
> three weeks ago. I can email it to you if you want.
It is really good. And I think that the boy will be named David by his
new mother whose name is... Carol Marcus!
Barbarossa
Alara Rogers
You're an evil man, sir. :-)
I've promised myself I'm not even going to *think* about who got Jane
and Gary's kid until I have AT LEAST INTRODUCED THE VULCAN SCIENCE
OFFICER! :-) (Whch I gotta do, I really do. Poor woman, I am being so
mean to her.) But I'll file that away as a possibility for when I get
to dealing with the kid.
Alara Rogers
No, I haven't had a chance to email her yet-- go ahead and pass the
comments on.
You know what's funny, I'd been thinking of T'Kai or T'Kae for the
swapped Spock's name. And someone else also suggested T'Kae to me.
What's up with T'Ka*? Do we all have this sort of ur-notion that T'Ka
are the syllables that represent Spock's feminine side, or something?
:-) It's a neat coincidence.
Matthias Brauer
> You're an evil man, sir. :-)
Thank you for the compliment and therefore it is not true.
> I've promised myself I'm not even going to *think* about who got Jane
> and Gary's kid until I have AT LEAST INTRODUCED THE VULCAN SCIENCE
> OFFICER! :-) (Whch I gotta do, I really do. Poor woman, I am being so
> mean to her.) But I'll file that away as a possibility for when I get
> to dealing with the kid.
The kid being David was my first thought after reading the story.
Barbarossa
Matthias Brauer
> You know what's funny, I'd been thinking of T'Kai or T'Kae for the
> swapped Spock's name. And someone else also suggested T'Kae to me.
> What's up with T'Ka*? Do we all have this sort of ur-notion that T'Ka
> are the syllables that represent Spock's feminine side, or something?
> :-) It's a neat coincidence.
And T'Gal was my suggestion. It sound nearly the same as T'Kal.
This is really a cincidence.
Barbarossa
Gamin Davis
>comments on.
Done.
>You know what's funny, I'd been thinking of T'Kai or T'Kae for the
>swapped Spock's name. And someone else also suggested T'Kae to me.
>What's up with T'Ka*? Do we all have this sort of ur-notion that T'Ka
>are the syllables that represent Spock's feminine side, or something?
>:-) It's a neat coincidence.
"Ur-notion"? I can't speak for everybody, but I don't *think* JM was
even aware that other people were doing female versions of Spock with the
T'K" names--in her case, it's probably just a coincidence--but I'll let her
speak for herself. If I were writing such a story, I'd probably go with
something much closer to "Spock", something like "T'Spara" or something--I
usually sit down and make a Vulcan name list when I nened new Vulcan names,
so it's hard to do off the top of my head.
Gamin
Alara Rogers
> "Ur-notion"? I can't speak for everybody, but I don't *think* JM was
> even aware that other people were doing female versions of Spock with the
> T'K" names--in her case, it's probably just a coincidence--but I'll let her
> speak for herself.
Oh, I didn't mean that anyone was thinking anyone else was doing it. I
suspect, given that her story predates Matthias's challenge and my own
post, that *no* one had done it before JM (or, if so, it was in a zine
and possibly many years ago.) No, I was joking that there was some
sort of collective unconscious at work. :-)
If I were writing such a story, I'd probably go with
> something much closer to "Spock", something like "T'Spara" or something--I
> usually sit down and make a Vulcan name list when I nened new Vulcan names,
> so it's hard to do off the top of my head.
Yeah, I can see that. For some reason names with T'Sp* just don't fit,
to me. Of course it doesn't have to be a T'* anything-- Selar, Saavik,
and Valeris are all indicators that Vulcan female names don't *have*
to start with T'-- (and no, I don't buy Ann Crispin's theory that it
indicates whether you're bonded or not; I think it's just like -a at
the end of an English-speaking female's name, a feminine marker that
isn't always present)-- but it feels like it should be, somehow.
Gamin Davis
>suspect, given that her story predates Matthias's challenge and my own
>post, that *no* one had done it before JM (or, if so, it was in a zine
>and possibly many years ago.) No, I was joking that there was some
>sort of collective unconscious at work. :-)
"Unconscious" would be the key word...I just checked with her...it was
published in '93, so it would have been written around that time. (She
just pointed out that I should mention that "T'Karri" or however she
spelled it was not her first choice--the original one was "T'Aisha", but I
suggested to her--as I tend to do to others--that she might want to put a
consonant after the beginning instead of a vowel and she came up with that
name. Besides, "T'Aisha" makes me think of the main character of the movie
SHE, which would probably be the wrong connotation.)
>Yeah, I can see that. For some reason names with T'Sp* just don't fit,
>to me. Of course it doesn't have to be a T'* anything-- Selar, Saavik,
>and Valeris are all indicators that Vulcan female names don't *have*
>to start with T'-- (and no, I don't buy Ann Crispin's theory that it
>indicates whether you're bonded or not; I think it's just like -a at
>the end of an English-speaking female's name, a feminine marker that
>isn't always present)-- but it feels like it should be, somehow.
Well, for me, it does, anyway--I don't buy that theory, and I don't
buy Berman's more recent efforts to say that anything goes. I stick to
"T'" followed by a consonant for women and "S" with five letters ending
preferably with "K", "N" or "R" for men. (And please, nobody bombard me
with arguments to the contrary--I just got through fighting it out on this
on the Vulcan lists and have had sufficient. I choose to stick to the TOS,
originally-established-by-DC Fontana format because to me it is more
accurate and more canonical--you all can do whatever you want.) "T'Sp" is a
sort of awkward beginning, but if I thought about it for a while, I could
come up with a nice name to fit it.
Gamin