FanFiction.Net Re: Trek Archive was ...about the ASC* Archive (long)

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Mary Ellen Curtin

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Jul 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/18/00
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Dina said:
> Just had a thought. Folks can submit their stories to
> fanfiction.net. It's an automated archive, which does have a Trek section
> and various user options.

I strongly disrecommend this option. Fanfiction.net is a neat
site, but as melissa said they are having problems with the
volume -- the archivist tells me traffic has been exploding
since the first of the year. More important, their reader
poll suggests that half of their users are under 18. To
archive thousands of adult stories at a site with so much
underage traffic would cause *major* trouble for us and
for them.

Mary Ellen
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Dina Lerret

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Jul 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/18/00
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At 07/18/2000 11:30 PM -0400, Mary Ellen Curtin wrote:

>site, but as melissa said they are having problems with the
>volume -- the archivist tells me traffic has been exploding
>since the first of the year. More important, their reader

What a pity.

Dina

Dina Lerret

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Jul 18, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/18/00
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At 07/19/2000 01:35 AM +0000, datalaur wrote:

>tasks. We *must* work smarter, not harder, if this is to work long-
>term. We need a powerful centralized database that can handle the
>load. There's no way around it. IMHO!

Just had a thought. Folks can submit their stories to
fanfiction.net. It's an automated archive, which does have a Trek section

and various user options. Pass on the word frequently and long enough
among newsgroups and lists. There's another viable alternative. <g> It
would still require the author or someone else to submit the story for
automated archiving. Centralized archiving.

Anyhow, that's pretty much my last comment on this. FanFiction.Net,
folks. URL: http://www.fanfiction.net/ and looking pretty damn good.

melissa jones

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Jul 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/19/00
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They have an excellent system, and one I wish that ASC had. It would
make the job of archiving a lot easier and certainly put the
responsiblity on the authors to update, etc.

You might want to check with them first before flooding them,
however, I heard rumours they were having problems with having enough
space. I noticed they got rid of thier banner exchange, and I wonder
if that's why.

It's a fabulous archive, that spans all fandoms everywhere, so please
do check it out and bookmark it if you haven't already folks!

melissa
(a FanFiction.net fan :>)

datalaur

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Jul 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/19/00
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--- In ASC...@egroups.com, "Mary Ellen Curtin" <mecurtin@a...> wrote:
> I strongly disrecommend this option. Fanfiction.net is a neat
> site, but as melissa said they are having problems with the
> volume -- the archivist tells me traffic has been exploding


My question is - has any fandom (of significant volume) figured out
how to deal with the issue of automating, etc? I've gotta think that
we can't be the only ones wrestling with issues of moderniztion,
automation, portability, etc...

Karmen Ghia

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Jul 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/19/00
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--- In ASC...@egroups.com, "datalaur " <datalaur@y...> wrote:
> --- In ASC...@egroups.com, "Mary Ellen Curtin" <mecurtin@a...>
wrote:
> > I strongly disrecommend this option. Fanfiction.net is a neat
> > site, but as melissa said they are having problems with the
> > volume -- the archivist tells me traffic has been exploding
>
>
> My question is - has any fandom (of significant volume) figured out
> how to deal with the issue of automating, etc? I've gotta think
that
> we can't be the only ones wrestling with issues of moderniztion,
> automation, portability, etc...

When I was setting up the cgi on the Self Service Archive, Minotaur
have me some good html advice and mentioned that the Sentinal and
Sports Night archives were automated in a very cool way, a very cool
way that tripod cgi would not support, and that I should go look at
them. I never did, you know how it is, RL gets in the way of all my
fun. So, anyway, there are two archives that might be models, 'tho I
don't know where they are or how they work. Anybody know?

I agree that automation is the wave of the future, but how and
where?

Karmen

Dina Lerret

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Jul 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/19/00
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At 07/19/2000 08:26 AM +0200, kira-nerys wrote:
>Check out the 852 Prospect archvie (Sentinel)
>
>http://www.squidge.org/archive/
>
>They've done a marvelous job IMOhttp

I have those scripts. They were designed by a TNG writer. Don't have the
server to run them off, though. Supposedly, b-b-t was to be back online
this summer, so that the auto archive could be run but that hasn't occurred
and I don't see it happening. The combined effects of the auto archive
scripts and traffic when we shared archive space with the Sentinel site
caused the b-b-t server to die. While Squidge is tight on bandwidth and
why both mailing lists and web sites hosted there are being limited
now. Even the new proposed archive site Ian is working on supposedly still
has some bandwidth problems and why a system or redirection has to be
installed. Currently, I'm not near my limit on bandwidth with traffic
registering at only 6+gig/month but archive.nu doesn't have
CGI. Ironic. So far, got the space and bandwidth but no way to set-up an
automated script, unlike other archives.

Dina

kira-nerys

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Jul 19, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/19/00
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Check out the 852 Prospect archvie (Sentinel)

http://www.squidge.org/archive/

They've done a marvelous job IMOhttp

kira-nerys

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Sent: Wednesday, July 19, 2000 5:39 AM
Subject: [ASCEML] FanFiction.Net Re: Trek Archive was ...about the ASC*
Archive (long)


> --- In ASC...@egroups.com, "Mary Ellen Curtin" <mecurtin@a...> wrote:
> > I strongly disrecommend this option. Fanfiction.net is a neat
> > site, but as melissa said they are having problems with the
> > volume -- the archivist tells me traffic has been exploding
>
>
> My question is - has any fandom (of significant volume) figured out
> how to deal with the issue of automating, etc? I've gotta think that
> we can't be the only ones wrestling with issues of moderniztion,
> automation, portability, etc...
>

Katie Redshoes

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From: redshoe...@ix.netcom.com (Katie Redshoes)

On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 06:05:08 -0400 in
alt.startrek.creative.erotica.moderated, Dina Lerret
<red...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>At 07/19/2000 08:26 AM +0200, kira-nerys wrote:

>>Check out the 852 Prospect archvie (Sentinel)
>>
>>http://www.squidge.org/archive/
>>
>>They've done a marvelous job IMOhttp
>

>I have those scripts. They were designed by a TNG writer. Don't have the
>server to run them off, though. Supposedly, b-b-t was to be back online
>this summer, so that the auto archive could be run but that hasn't occurred
>and I don't see it happening. The combined effects of the auto archive
>scripts and traffic when we shared archive space with the Sentinel site
>caused the b-b-t server to die. While Squidge is tight on bandwidth and
>why both mailing lists and web sites hosted there are being limited
>now. Even the new proposed archive site Ian is working on supposedly still
>has some bandwidth problems and why a system or redirection has to be

It's only Ian's temporary awards site that has bandwidth problems.
When Trekiverse goes online, that will have been dealt with.

--
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Katie Redshoes

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From: redshoe...@ix.netcom.com (Katie Redshoes)

On Wed, 19 Jul 2000 04:41:31 -0000 in
alt.startrek.creative.erotica.moderated, "Karmen Ghia"
<karme...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>--- In ASC...@egroups.com, "datalaur " <datalaur@y...> wrote:

>> --- In ASC...@egroups.com, "Mary Ellen Curtin" <mecurtin@a...>
>wrote:
>> > I strongly disrecommend this option. Fanfiction.net is a neat
>> > site, but as melissa said they are having problems with the
>> > volume -- the archivist tells me traffic has been exploding
>>
>>
>> My question is - has any fandom (of significant volume) figured out
>> how to deal with the issue of automating, etc? I've gotta think
>that
>> we can't be the only ones wrestling with issues of moderniztion,
>> automation, portability, etc...
>

>When I was setting up the cgi on the Self Service Archive, Minotaur
>have me some good html advice and mentioned that the Sentinal and
>Sports Night archives were automated in a very cool way, a very cool
>way that tripod cgi would not support, and that I should go look at
>them. I never did, you know how it is, RL gets in the way of all my
>fun. So, anyway, there are two archives that might be models, 'tho I
>don't know where they are or how they work. Anybody know?
>
>I agree that automation is the wave of the future, but how and
>where?

I believe my original message on the subject to which Mary Ellen was
reacting did specify that Trekiverse will feature automation.

ari

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Jul 20, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/20/00
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> since the first of the year. More important, their reader
> poll suggests that half of their users are under 18. To
> archive thousands of adult stories at a site with so much
> underage traffic would cause *major* trouble for us and
> for them.

if you look at the reviews of the slash stories that have been posted, they
often feature comments such as "Ew, how disgusting, how could you..." etc.
I know a bunch of people who'd recommend archiving your slash there only if
you want flames.

ari

Laura Jacquez Valentine

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Jul 30, 2000, 3:00:00 AM7/30/00
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--On Wednesday, July 19, 2000, 6:05 AM -0400 Dina Lerret
<red...@mindspring.com> wrote:

> installed. Currently, I'm not near my limit on bandwidth with traffic
> registering at only 6+gig/month but archive.nu doesn't have
> CGI. Ironic. So far, got the space and bandwidth but no way to set-up
> an automated script, unlike other archives.

Would it be possible to run the script from another server and have the
final HTML mailed to the archive team, who can then just put those on the
site? That would eliminate the collating/formatting step, at least.

--laura

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--On Wednesday, July 19, 2000, 3:39 AM +0000 datalaur <data...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

> My question is - has any fandom (of significant volume) figured out
> how to deal with the issue of automating, etc? I've gotta think that
> we can't be the only ones wrestling with issues of moderniztion,
> automation, portability, etc...

Has anyone looked at the Automated Archive script? The largest Sentinel
slash archive, 852 Prospect, uses it:

http://www.squidge.org/archive/
the uploading form is at http://www.squidge.org/archive/cgi-bin/upload.cgi
and the Automated Archive home is
http://www.netspace.org/~shalott/archive/

--laura


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