Poll showed Americans were clueless about the World Cup.
Hortical
about the world cup. A poll of 1000 adults conducted between June 17-22
showed that only 52 percent of Americans knew that the world cup was a
soccer tournament. Only 19 percent said they had watched a game on
television and only 25 percent knew that it was being played in France.
Source: Soccer America, July 20, page 5
Oliver Tse
Remeber the US has 300 million people.
300 million x 19% = 57 million.
Also, you must remember that similar polls indicate that about the same
percentage of Americans can't even find the US on a world map!
In other words, RELAX!
========
Oliver Tse
soccerTV.com
Steve Jones
> The result of a Harris poll showed that Americans were in fact clueless
> about the world cup. A poll of 1000 adults conducted between June 17-22
> showed that only 52 percent of Americans knew that the world cup was a
> soccer tournament. Only 19 percent said they had watched a game on
> television and only 25 percent knew that it was being played in France.
Personally I still say that this is pretty good. I've seen worse surveys
from the States on things like "Currency's of the world" "Political Leaders"
and the like. 19 percent watching a game is bloody good in a nation which
is supposed not to like the sport. This was a survey taken at the start
of the WC so the numbers may well have also risen.
I'd make the bold statement that more people knew the WC was in France
than who is the Prime Minister of France.
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> The result of a Harris poll showed that Americans were in fact clueless
> about the world cup. A poll of 1000 adults conducted between June 17-22
> showed that only 52 percent of Americans knew that the world cup was a
> soccer tournament. Only 19 percent said they had watched a game on
> television and only 25 percent knew that it was being played in France.
I am also pleasantly surprised by these numbers. OTOH, I have a question
regarding their reliability. Since I'm not remotely knowledgeable about
statistics, I'm interested in responses from folks who are.
What is the minimum sampling required for "reliable" results? Can one
safely extrapolate from 1,000 people to 300 million? What is the accepted
error margin for these numbers?
-- kov
Mike Williams
> is supposed not to like the sport.
Since when did america go off their sport? It aint football, but they
seem happy!
Mike Williams
David MacDonald
The Americans are pretty good at destroying everything they get involved with.
Bais aside, Surveys also show the soccer is now the most played sport of people
under the age of 20, not basketball, baseball, or football.
All it will take is a couple more nike or adidas endorsements and then......
Steve Jones wrote:
> D...@mail.utexas.edu (Hortical) writes:
>
> > The result of a Harris poll showed that Americans were in fact clueless
> > about the world cup. A poll of 1000 adults conducted between June 17-22
> > showed that only 52 percent of Americans knew that the world cup was a
> > soccer tournament. Only 19 percent said they had watched a game on
> > television and only 25 percent knew that it was being played in France.
>
m casey
games. many people i knew were also trying to watch as much of the cup as
possible. even those who weren't that interested seemed to know what was
going on by virtue of the media coverage. but i'd venture to say most
americans i know that love soccer are rather lukewarm about american
football, basketball etc.
while most americans may have been clueless, not all were.
mike
Dustin Christmann
David MacDonald <quan...@interlog.com> wrote:
>Do we really want the bloody Yanks involved with the beautiful game??
>
>The Americans are pretty good at destroying everything they get involved with.
Your button appears to be stuck.
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Tony Porczyk <tpor...@best.com> wrote:
>D...@mail.utexas.edu (Hortical) writes:
>
>> The result of a Harris poll showed that Americans were in fact
>> clueless about the world cup. A poll of 1000 adults conducted
>> between June 17-22 showed that only 52 percent of Americans knew
>> that the world cup was a soccer tournament. Only 19 percent said
>> they had watched a game on television and only 25 percent knew that
>> it was being played in France.
>
>discussed here already? Can't you read the dates? June 17-22.
>Now get a f*&^%$ clue and search the group a while back. There
>must be a couple of hundred posts on this subject.
No kidding. When I saw the subject, my first thought was "This? Again?"
But of course, we're likely going to be reading about this in December and
dipstick newbinho will likely think that it's fresh, new information about
how those ignorant Yanks are fucking ignorant that's why their team came in
32nd in France HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA, etc.
James
>D...@mail.utexas.edu (Hortical) writes:
>
>>The result of a Harris poll showed that Americans were in fact clueless
>>about the world cup. A poll of 1000 adults conducted between June 17-22
>>showed that only 52 percent of Americans knew that the world cup was a
>>soccer tournament. Only 19 percent said they had watched a game on
>>television and only 25 percent knew that it was being played in France.
>
>Remeber the US has 300 million people.
>
>300 million x 19% = 57 million.
>
>Also, you must remember that similar polls indicate that about the same
>percentage of Americans can't even find the US on a world map!
I remember that an improbably high number of Americans didn't know what
language the British people spoke. An even higher number didn't know
what language the Scottish spoke. A lower (but significant) number of
Americans didn't know what language they spoke.
I swear that these universities make up all these surveys for polite
conversation at dinner parties.
>
>In other words, RELAX!
>
Does Frankie say it?
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James
m.fr>, wrote,
>Personally I still say that this is pretty good. I've seen worse surveys
>from the States on things like "Currency's of the world" "Political Leaders"
>and the like. 19 percent watching a game is bloody good in a nation which
>is supposed not to like the sport.
Excellent point. I have some questions for you.
Who was the Super Bowl between?
What year was the last time a time from outside the USA won the World
Series?
Granted, US Sports aren't as big as football but I'm hazy about the
above.
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JX Bardant
>
> Who was the Super Bowl between?
> What year was the last time a time from outside the USA won the World
> Series?
Who cares? The SuperBowl is an americano-american thing. Not more important
than the french championship of pétanque.
che...@grove.ufl.edu
stupid ass poll!!!! Besides the fact that I don't put any worth into most
polls, I find it funny that the ones posting this "Americans are
Clueless.." message seem to eat this bullshit up. Why do they continue to
try and bash us about soccer? I think they should publish the numbers of
people that are playing soccer in leagues and clubs around the US and
maybe that will show these clueless foreigners that we too love the
beautiful game!!! The fact is that we are going to become a soccer power
whether they like it or not! (As soon as we get this coaching thing
solved!!!) Anyway, I appreciated your message.
Go US WOMEN!!!!!!
Cherie
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On 28 Jul 1998, Michael F. Hynes wrote:
> I too think 19 % (for the early stages, too) is pretty darn
> good. What would the percentage be for a not-particularly
> passionate-about-football European nation which didn't
> qualify this time ? Eg. Finland or Switzerland just to choose
> two random examples.
>
> Then add the complication that the matches here in North America
> were on at awkward times: Depending on time zone,
> they could have started as early as 7:30 in the morning, and
> regardless of time zone, most of them were at times when
> we were supposed to be at work.
>
> Here in Canada, every match was shown, but only on TSN which
> is only available on cable TV. Those of us who have "peasant
> vision" had to go to pubs during lunch , or get friends to tape
> games, or invite ourselves over.
>
> Of the 1000 adults surveyed, I presume a fair proportion were female
> and interest in most sports is a bit lower among women. My wife
> didn't watch any games, for example.
>
> In view of all of the above, I think 19 % during the early stages
> of the cup is nothing to be ashamed of.
>
>
>
>
>
kir...@hotmail.com
quan...@interlog.com wrote:
> Do we really want the bloody Yanks involved with the beautiful game??
>
> The Americans are pretty good at destroying everything they get involved with.
Really? I guess that explains hooligans, play acting, and Sepp Blatter then?
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> I too think 19 % (for the early stages, too) is pretty darn
> good. What would the percentage be for a not-particularly
> passionate-about-football European nation which didn't
> qualify this time ? Eg. Finland or Switzerland just to choose
> two random examples.
>
Well, I think people in Finland & Switzerland were probably well aware
of the World Cup...anyways, its not like they have *that* many sports to
distract them from the World Cup or anything...don't we have like CART
racing, baseball, MLS, wrestling, NASCAR, Arena Football etc. to
distract people ? So yeah...19% isn't a bad number at all...
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James <RED-11@*no_spam_thankyou_ma'am*red-army.co.uk> wrote in article
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> Someone claiming to be Steve Jones <steve...@control.not.spam.eurospa
> m.fr>, wrote,
>
> >Personally I still say that this is pretty good. I've seen worse
surveys
> >from the States on things like "Currency's of the world" "Political
Leaders"
> >and the like. 19 percent watching a game is bloody good in a nation
which
> >is supposed not to like the sport.
>
> Excellent point. I have some questions for you.
>
> Who was the Super Bowl between?
> What year was the last time a time from outside the USA won the World
> Series?
1992 and 1993
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Their world revolves around their family, High School, College(rednecks
exempted!!) and maybe a Major Sports team. To most events there is a stoic
indifference. They only get concerned when it affects them directly or their
godaamned media pours out news briefs by the dozen in the very important Prime
time. .
ram
Steve Jones wrote:
> D...@mail.utexas.edu (Hortical) writes:
>
> > The result of a Harris poll showed that Americans were in fact clueless
> > about the world cup. A poll of 1000 adults conducted between June 17-22
> > showed that only 52 percent of Americans knew that the world cup was a
> > soccer tournament. Only 19 percent said they had watched a game on
> > television and only 25 percent knew that it was being played in France.
>
> Personally I still say that this is pretty good. I've seen worse surveys
> from the States on things like "Currency's of the world" "Political Leaders"
> and the like. 19 percent watching a game is bloody good in a nation which
P.M.Sriram
US cities participate in a wretched 162 game programme and then play 30 more
games to decide the winner ? Do me a favor file a petition to get the name
changed to Taco Bell Series or something as meaningful. About the Super Bowl
the only thing Super are the Dallas Cowgirls . Rest are a bunch of imbeciles
running and beating everybody off and on the field in their ridiculous tights.
CHOOSE LIFE CHOOSE A CAREER or better CHOOSE FOOTBALL(SOCCER)!!!!
JX Bardant wrote:
> > Excellent point. I have some questions for you.
> >
> > Who was the Super Bowl between?
> > What year was the last time a time from outside the USA won the World
> > Series?
>
Jason Cormier
JX Bardant wrote in message
<01bdba60$b168bce0$f862...@bardant.club-internet.fr>...
>> Excellent point. I have some questions for you.
>>
>> Who was the Super Bowl between?
>> What year was the last time a time from outside the USA won the World
>> Series?
>Who cares? The SuperBowl is an americano-american thing. Not more important
>than the french championship of pétanque.
Defensive much?
Barry Hamill
> >
> Does Frankie say it?
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FUCK
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and have to act somewhat respectible.
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>
> What World Series are you talking about ? The game where teams from different
> US cities participate in a wretched 162 game programme and then play 30 more
> games to decide the winner ? Do me a favor file a petition to get the name
> changed to Taco Bell Series or something as meaningful. About the Super Bowl
> the only thing Super are the Dallas Cowgirls . Rest are a bunch of imbeciles
> running and beating everybody off and on the field in their ridiculous tights.
> CHOOSE LIFE CHOOSE A CAREER or better CHOOSE FOOTBALL(SOCCER)!!!!
>
> JX Bardant wrote:
>
> > >
> > > Who was the Super Bowl between?
> > > What year was the last time a time from outside the USA won the World
> > > Series?
> >
> > Who cares? The SuperBowl is an americano-american thing. Not more important
> > than the french championship of pétanque.
OC Garza - American and soccer lover
O.C. Garza
>
> The truth is Americans do not really care about the World let alone the WC.
> Their world revolves around their family, High School, College(rednecks
> exempted!!) and maybe a Major Sports team. To most events there is a stoic
> indifference. They only get concerned when it affects them directly or their
> godaamned media pours out news briefs by the dozen in the very important Prime
> time. .
> ram
OC Garza
Dan
France who only became interested once they were winning the final 3-0.
Something like 19% of france watched the quarter final game featuring their
home team playing italy.
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>Now, that's funny! I used to have a t-shirt that said:
>
>I don't give a
> FUCK
>what Frankie say!
>
>I have no idea where it is now- I couldn't wear it anyway, I've got kids
>and have to act somewhat respectible.
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P.M.Sriram wrote in message <35BEB08D...@scsn.net>...
>What World Series are you talking about ? The game where teams from
different
>US cities participate in a wretched 162 game programme and then play 30
more
>games to decide the winner ? Do me a favor file a petition to get the name
>changed to Taco Bell Series or something as meaningful. About the Super
Bowl
>the only thing Super are the Dallas Cowgirls . Rest are a bunch of
imbeciles
>running and beating everybody off and on the field in their ridiculous
tights.
>CHOOSE LIFE CHOOSE A CAREER or better CHOOSE FOOTBALL(SOCCER)!!!!
All those imbeciles and beatings and yet, still no hooligan problems. To
each there own.
What is really funny is the amount of bile coming from posters such as
yourself. Careful or that stress-induced ulcer is going to act up.
BTW - Do you even know the origin of the "World Series"?
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>The truth is Americans do not really care about the World let alone the WC.
>Their world revolves around their family, High School, College(rednecks
>exempted!!) and maybe a Major Sports team. To most events there is a stoic
>indifference. They only get concerned when it affects them directly or their
>godaamned media pours out news briefs by the dozen in the very important Prime
>time. .
>ram
Personally, I think that with a little more effort, you could have shoehorned
a few more ignorant stereotypes in there.
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>Someone claiming to be Oliver Tse <oli...@best.com>, wrote,
>>Remeber the US has 300 million people.
>>
>>300 million x 19% = 57 million.
>>
>>Also, you must remember that similar polls indicate that about the same
>>percentage of Americans can't even find the US on a world map!
>I remember that an improbably high number of Americans didn't know what
>language the British people spoke. An even higher number didn't know
>what language the Scottish spoke. A lower (but significant) number of
>Americans didn't know what language they spoke.
That's really funny, sadly it's probably true as well! :) The only
famous Scotsman in the US is Groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons
anyway! ("There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased
Scotsman!") Also I was listening on the radio before Scotland played
Morocco to a few Moroccan supporters who seemed to think Scotland was
inbetween Denmark and Norway.
Like other people have said 19% is a damn good figure for watching a WC
match especially seeing football is a minor sport spectator wise over
there. In general the United States is a pretty big country with lots of
stuff, sport and non-sport, going on, so they're bound to be less
knowledgeable about world wide events because they gets less attention.
Asking an American about events in the UK is like asking a UK citizen
about things in Iceland. (Look at the news shows over there, it's about
90% homegrown news while in the UK it's around 50%).
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Alex Kamilewicz wrote in message
<1dcxakj.974...@max51.public.ox.ac.uk>...>I believe it was the Denver Broncos and the Dallas Cowboys, with the
>Broncos winning in, for once, an interesting game.
Green Bay and Denver. Dallas didn't make the playoffs last year.
>> What year was the last time a time from outside the USA won the World
>> Series?
>
>I think it was three years ago and I'm pretty sure it was the Toronto
>Blue Jays.
Five years ago, in 1993. They also won in 1992. These are the only two times
a team from outside the US has won the World Series.
>> Granted, US Sports aren't as big as football but I'm hazy about the
>> above.
>
>Yes, but the above are only played in any serious manner in the States
>and Canada. Football is played world-wide.
Baseball *isn't* played in any serious matter in...
Japan (most popular sport by a mile),
Cuba (ditto),
South Korea (neck-and-neck with football) and
Taiwan (most popular sport and second-best pro league in Asia)?
Just asking.
>Besides football is way more important.... :)
I agree; it's the bozos who want to dismiss (N) American sports outright
that need to learn how to live and let live.
Jason Cormier
Alex Kamilewicz wrote in message
>Ken Overton <k...@mit.edu> wrote:
>
>> D...@mail.utexas.edu (Hortical) wrote:
>> > The result of a Harris poll showed that Americans were in fact clueless
>> > about the world cup. A poll of 1000 adults conducted between June 17-22
>> > showed that only 52 percent of Americans knew that the world cup was a
>> > soccer tournament. Only 19 percent said they had watched a game on
>> > television and only 25 percent knew that it was being played in France.
>>
>> regarding their reliability. Since I'm not remotely knowledgeable about
>> statistics, I'm interested in responses from folks who are.
>>
>> What is the minimum sampling required for "reliable" results? Can one
>> safely extrapolate from 1,000 people to 300 million? What is the
accepted
>> error margin for these numbers?
>
>
>If the sampling is done right (and 1000 is enough - even though it
>doesn't sound like enough) the error margin is something like +/- 2
>percent.
+/- 4%, 19 times out of 20.
James
>> Excellent point. I have some questions for you.
>>
>> Who was the Super Bowl between?
>> What year was the last time a time from outside the USA won the World
>> Series?
>
>Who cares? The SuperBowl is an americano-american thing. Not more important
>than the french championship of pétanque.
>
Whether we like it or not, America dominates the world to a previously
unseen extent. There are McDonalds on every street corner (not
literally, that would be stupid), American TV programmes fill our TV
schedules and when the Wall Street brokers have a bad day, English
economists appear on the TV to talk about England entering a recession.
Despite what your government might do to try and protect French culture
(and in spite of your country's inflated idea of its own world
importance) you'd have to admit that the Super Bowl and the World Series
are more 'important' than any French national tournament. If we don't
know about them or the sports that they like, why should we expect them
to know about us and our sports?
However, with all that said, the Super Bowl still isn't as big as the
English FA Cup final.
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Alex Kamilewicz
> Alex Kamilewicz wrote in message
> >Yes, but the above are only played in any serious manner in the States
> >and Canada. Football is played world-wide.
>
> Baseball *isn't* played in any serious matter in...
>
> Japan (most popular sport by a mile),
>
> Cuba (ditto),
>
> South Korea (neck-and-neck with football) and
>
> Taiwan (most popular sport and second-best pro league in Asia)?
>
> Just asking.
Yeah, OK, I blew it big-time there. Still doesn't detract much from my
point, though.
> >Besides football is way more important.... :)
>
> I agree; it's the bozos who want to dismiss (N) American sports outright
> that need to learn how to live and let live.
Yep, and alt.sports.baseball/football/basketball/hockey are over that
way ------->
Jason Cormier
Alex Kamilewicz wrote in message
>Jason Cormier <ja...@RemoveThis.ztv.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>> Alex Kamilewicz wrote in message
>> >Yes, but the above are only played in any serious manner in the States
>> >and Canada. Football is played world-wide.
>> Baseball *isn't* played in any serious matter in...
>>
>> Japan (most popular sport by a mile),
>>
>> Cuba (ditto),
>>
>> South Korea (neck-and-neck with football) and
>>
>> Taiwan (most popular sport and second-best pro league in Asia)?
>>
>> Just asking.
>
>Yeah, OK, I blew it big-time there. Still doesn't detract much from my
>point, though.
I believe the thread started as a result of some ignorant poster claiming
that America's popular sports aren't played seriously anywhere else.
Then there was the common claim that none of "their" sports are world
sports. Unless one wants to claim that football is the only world sport
(which may have some merit), they're going to have to acknowledge that some
of the popular sports in the US are played on a significant scale around the
world.
>> >Besides football is way more important.... :)
>>
>> I agree; it's the bozos who want to dismiss (N) American sports outright
>> that need to learn how to live and let live.
>
>Yep, and alt.sports.baseball/football/basketball/hockey are over that
>way ------->
I agree and the person who brought it up in the first place should go over
there. You see, it's the paranoid anti-Americans who keep bringing up
"their" (US') sports in order to belittle them. If they insist on doing so
then I'm going to respond.
On the other hand, what I'd really prefer is for them to leave well enough
alone; since they seem to accomplish nothing beyond demonstrating their
ignorance and coming off as bitter.
Paul Crankshaw
> In article <aRuCBpAy...@red-army.demon.co.uk>, James <RED-
> 11@*no_spam_thankyou_ma'am*red-army.co.uk> writes
> >Someone claiming to be Oliver Tse <oli...@best.com>, wrote,
>
> >>Remeber the US has 300 million people.
> >>
> >>300 million x 19% = 57 million.
> >>
> >>Also, you must remember that similar polls indicate that about the same
> >>percentage of Americans can't even find the US on a world map!
>
> >I remember that an improbably high number of Americans didn't know what
> >language the British people spoke. An even higher number didn't know
> >what language the Scottish spoke. A lower (but significant) number of
> >Americans didn't know what language they spoke.
>
> That's really funny, sadly it's probably true as well! :) The only
> famous Scotsman in the US is Groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons
> anyway! ("There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased
> Scotsman!")
What about Scotty from Startrek - though, admittedly, his accent wasn't
much of a clue to his Scottishness.
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Alex Kamilewicz wrote in message
>> >Yep, and alt.sports.baseball/football/basketball/hockey are over that
>> >way ------->
>> I agree and the person who brought it up in the first place should go
over
>> there.
>Yes, that's what I meant, and didn't mean for you to feel like I was
>singling you out. It was more aimed at the people who bring these
>topics in.
Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification; my apologies if I sounded a bit too
defensive.
The Mighty Quinn
>> That's really funny, sadly it's probably true as well! :) The only
>> famous Scotsman in the US is Groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons
>> anyway! ("There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased
>> Scotsman!")
>
>What about Scotty from Startrek - though, admittedly, his accent wasn't
>much of a clue to his Scottishness.
what about Sean Connery? the man who played a Lithuanian submarine
captain with a scottish accent...
Quinn
Manoj Joshi
> Jonathan Tranter <jona...@wolves4westbrom2.no-spamdemon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> > In article <aRuCBpAy...@red-army.demon.co.uk>, James <RED-
> > 11@*no_spam_thankyou_ma'am*red-army.co.uk> writes
> > >Someone claiming to be Oliver Tse <oli...@best.com>, wrote,
> >
> > >>Remeber the US has 300 million people.
> > >>
> > >>300 million x 19% = 57 million.
> > >>
> > >>Also, you must remember that similar polls indicate that about the same
> > >>percentage of Americans can't even find the US on a world map!
> >
> > >I remember that an improbably high number of Americans didn't know what
> > >language the British people spoke. An even higher number didn't know
> > >what language the Scottish spoke. A lower (but significant) number of
> > >Americans didn't know what language they spoke.
> >
> > That's really funny, sadly it's probably true as well! :) The only
> > famous Scotsman in the US is Groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons
> > anyway! ("There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased
> > Scotsman!")
>
> What about Scotty from Startrek - though, admittedly, his accent wasn't
> much of a clue to his Scottishness.
>
There is Sean Connery, but then the Americans probably think he's Irish.
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Jonathan Tranter
<jo...@atm.ox.ac.uk> writes
>Paul Crankshaw wrote:
>There is Sean Connery, but then the Americans probably think he's Irish.
That's kind of what I'm hinting at, there -are- a few internationally
famous Scots about but the Americans probably wouldn't make the
connection! (Only joking) Still Groundskeeper Willies gotto be -the-
most famous (and to keep up the stereotypes on The Simpsons the two
semi-regular English characters, Sideshow Bob and Snake are both
criminals!)
There's a story I heard on the radio, I think it's true. Mark Kermode
the film critic from Radio 1 went to see Braveheart a few years ago and
heard two Americans discussing the film after it had ended. Their
conversation went something like "The English sure did treat those Irish
bad didn't they?".
Sammy Lives
<snip>
>There's a story I heard on the radio, I think it's true. Mark Kermode
>the film critic from Radio 1 went to see Braveheart a few years ago and
>heard two Americans discussing the film after it had ended. Their
>conversation went something like "The English sure did treat those Irish
>bad didn't they?".
Overheard at Waverley Train Station, Edinburgh (Scotland), an American
tourist:
"Geez, wasn't that a great idea to build that castle overlooking the
station".
John Harrington
<drew...@tc.umn.edu> writes
>
>>> That's really funny, sadly it's probably true as well! :) The only
>>> famous Scotsman in the US is Groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons
>>> anyway! ("There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased
>>> Scotsman!")
>>
>>What about Scotty from Startrek - though, admittedly, his accent wasn't
>>much of a clue to his Scottishness.
>
>captain with a scottish accent...
>
>Quinn
And an Irish policemen in The Untouchables with an Scottish accent.
Perhaps most of all was Connery, a Scotsman, playing the part of (I
think) a Spanish mentor to Christopher Lambert (Belgian) in his title
role as The Highlander.
--
John Harrington
Alex Kamilewicz
> Gotcha. Thanks for the clarification; my apologies if I sounded a bit too
> defensive.
No worries.
David Denney
>
> There's a story I heard on the radio, I think it's true. Mark Kermode
> the film critic from Radio 1 went to see Braveheart a few years ago and
> heard two Americans discussing the film after it had ended. Their
> conversation went something like "The English sure did treat those Irish
> bad didn't they?".
Yes, the Brits never tire of "ignorant American" jokes. I could tell
you stories of Brits who know nothing of American history as well. Or I
could tell you the story of the brother of a friend of mine from
Carlisle, who came to Boston on business and had two days off, so he
rented a car to drive to visit his brother... in Minneapolis. Or I
could just retell the tale Bill Buford told in "Among the Thugs" of
asking a ManU supporter, in Turin for a Juventus-ManU match, where he
was and being told "Joooooo-ventuuusssss!"
Pint's a pound the world around.
--
barry hamill
bha...@nospam.mbcm.org
Michael F. Hynes
To add to your list: my wife, Belgian, travelling in Southern
France, was asked where she came from. She said Belgium,
the others said, Oh, c'est un des pays Scandinaves ?
Or me , travelling in France, -- I was asked where I came
from, and said Canada -- the lady looked puzzled and said
'mais vous n'avez pas l'accent " implying that I don't
sound like a Quebecois (which is true -- I speak European
french with a hint of Scottish accent, which bamboozles
most people as it isn't a combination most have heard before).
I said, "mais je suis un Canadien anglophone " to which her
reply was "oh, ca existe, ca ? "
I could tell similar tales from my days living in Germany
and Mexico. And there are all the English who keep telling
me "Oh,. you're from Canada, you must know my brother
he's in Toronto (or Vancouver or wherever). ...
All of the above the gospel truth.
Let's face it, Americans don't have a monopoly on ignorance
about the rest of the world.
>
>Pint's a pound the world around.
It isn't, you know ! If you are refering to volume an
imperial pint is 20 fl oz which weighs more than a pound.
If you are refering to the price of a pint, I can only wish
:-) !
>--
>
>barry hamill
>bha...@nospam.mbcm.org
Jonathan Tranter
writes
>Jonathan Tranter wrote:
>>
>> There's a story I heard on the radio, I think it's true. Mark Kermode
>> the film critic from Radio 1 went to see Braveheart a few years ago and
>> heard two Americans discussing the film after it had ended. Their
>> conversation went something like "The English sure did treat those Irish
>> bad didn't they?".
>
>Yes, the Brits never tire of "ignorant American" jokes. I could tell
>you stories of Brits who know nothing of American history as well.
Fair enough, there's no need to get so defensive! :)
Like I've said anyway, not many people in the UK know much about
countries much smaller than us (i.e.: the Norwegians know lots about us
but we don't know much about them). If I were a US citizen I wouldn't
really be bothered about the UK.
Still, those two Americans must have been a bit dim who've just watched
a zillion-hour film about the English and the Scots! (Saying that the
Irish did play a part in the film, perhaps they were referring to that?)
Paul Crankshaw
> Jonathan Tranter wrote:
> >
> > There's a story I heard on the radio, I think it's true. Mark Kermode
> > the film critic from Radio 1 went to see Braveheart a few years ago and
> > heard two Americans discussing the film after it had ended. Their
> > conversation went something like "The English sure did treat those Irish
> > bad didn't they?".
>
> Yes, the Brits never tire of "ignorant American" jokes. I could tell
> you stories of Brits who know nothing of American history as well. Or I
> could tell you the story of the brother of a friend of mine from
> Carlisle, who came to Boston on business and had two days off, so he
> rented a car to drive to visit his brother... in Minneapolis. Or I
> could just retell the tale Bill Buford told in "Among the Thugs" of
> asking a ManU supporter, in Turin for a Juventus-ManU match, where he
> was and being told "Joooooo-ventuuusssss!"
>
......and then there was news reader Martin Lewis giving us the UEFA Cup
result from (phonetically) "Tanadeechee where Dundee United were playing
today"
Jonathan Tranter
<jo...@atm.ox.ac.uk> writes
>Paul Crankshaw wrote:
>
>> > That's really funny, sadly it's probably true as well! :) The only
>> > famous Scotsman in the US is Groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons
>> > anyway! ("There's nary an animal alive that can outrun a greased
>> > Scotsman!")
>>
>> What about Scotty from Startrek - though, admittedly, his accent wasn't
>> much of a clue to his Scottishness.
>>
Probably should let this one go, but seeing as we're talking about
American and football, and The Simpsons and Groundskeeper Willie have
been brought up, I've just seen The Simpsons episode "The Cartridge
Family" (I got it on tape from the United States, Sky have said they
won't show this episode at any timeslot, probably due to it's
trivialisation of guns). This episode pivots around a football riot,
started by Groundskeeper Willie and his three Scottish mates!
Guess this goes to show that Americans, together with lots of the world,
don't really understand the difference between Scotland and England, and
the England team's supporters' actions (like in France this year) does
the reputation of the whole Kingdom no good, no matter how much Scotland
supporters rightly distance themselves from it.
Sorry, got all serious there! :) Anybody got any more "Silly American"
stories? (Not really, only joking!)
Nick Parsons
>
> That's kind of what I'm hinting at, there -are- a few internationally
> famous Scots about but the Americans probably wouldn't make the
> connection! (Only joking) Still Groundskeeper Willies gotto be -the-
> most famous (and to keep up the stereotypes on The Simpsons the two
> semi-regular English characters, Sideshow Bob and Snake are both
> criminals!)
>
I'm sure Sideshow Bob is more Boston or New England than English. Based
on Fraser seeing as Kelsey Grammar does the voice. Not sure about Snake
being English either.
Two Americans I overheard in a hotel in Bakewell a couple of years ago -
"It sure is nice being in Derrrrbyyyy Shire." Derby being pronounced as
the hat and shire like the horse. Don't ya just luv 'em.
Nick.
Jonathan Tranter
medl...@mesmtpse.ericsson.se> writes
>Jonathan Tranter wrote:
>>
>> That's kind of what I'm hinting at, there -are- a few internationally
>> famous Scots about but the Americans probably wouldn't make the
>> connection! (Only joking) Still Groundskeeper Willies gotto be -the-
>> most famous (and to keep up the stereotypes on The Simpsons the two
>> semi-regular English characters, Sideshow Bob and Snake are both
>> criminals!)
>>
>
>I'm sure Sideshow Bob is more Boston or New England than English. Based
>on Fraser seeing as Kelsey Grammar does the voice. Not sure about Snake
>being English either.
I dunno, I guess there's no definite answer like the boring "Which state
is Springfield in" question. About Snake though there is reasonable
assumption, his accent for a start and then in "Bart vs. Australia"
where there is a statue looking just like him which Marge points out
telling the kids that Australia was founded by British criminals, or
something like that. (Further to this the official "A Complete Guide To
Our Favourite Family" Simpsons handbook says the following about this
episode in it's "The Stuff You May Have Missed Section": "The statue
hailing Australia's founding inmates is a likeness of Snake").
I'm not sure about Sideshow Bob, perhaps I'm being misled by thinking of
the "Cape Feare" episode where he sings that musical bit at the end
about England, finishing with unveiling of the Union Flag! I think there
may have been some other reference to his heritage though, but I don't
fancy trailing through 200-odd episodes on video tape. Grammar's accent
does sound "more English" than on Fraser though, and it's a -big-
tradition in American tv and film to cast the bad guy with an English
accent of course. :)
>Two Americans I overheard in a hotel in Bakewell a couple of years ago -
>"It sure is nice being in Derrrrbyyyy Shire." Derby being pronounced as
>the hat and shire like the horse. Don't ya just luv 'em.
Not to mention "Scotland-a-Shire" which is how the American Love-God Fat
Harry White pronounces it on Mark & Lard on Radio 1! Still there are
unconfirmed rumours that Fat Harry may be a fat biffer from Manchester
though. :)
Alasdair Allan
> In article <35C74722...@atm.ox.ac.uk>, Manoj Joshi
> <jo...@atm.ox.ac.uk> writes
> >Paul Crankshaw wrote:
> >There is Sean Connery, but then the Americans probably think he's Irish.
>
> Probably should let this one go, but seeing as we're talking about
> American and football, and The Simpsons and Groundskeeper Willie have
> been brought up, I've just seen The Simpsons episode "The Cartridge
> Family" (I got it on tape from the United States, Sky have said they
> won't show this episode at any timeslot, probably due to it's
> trivialisation of guns). This episode pivots around a football riot,
> started by Groundskeeper Willie and his three Scottish mates!
Hmm, it sounds like this may be the reason for Sky banning the episode
rather than any portrayal of guns. I still don't agree with censoring it
but this makes it a little clearer why Sky picked up on this episode, it
ain't the guns.
> Guess this goes to show that Americans, together with lots of the world,
> don't really understand the difference between Scotland and England, and
> the England team's supporters' actions (like in France this year) does
> the reputation of the whole Kingdom no good, no matter how much Scotland
> supporters rightly distance themselves from it.
Bastards.
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Alasdair Allan
> David Denney <da...@mbcm.org> wrote:
> > Yes, the Brits never tire of "ignorant American" jokes. I could tell
> > you stories of Brits who know nothing of American history as well. Or I
> > could tell you the story of the brother of a friend of mine from
> > Carlisle, who came to Boston on business and had two days off, so he
> > rented a car to drive to visit his brother... in Minneapolis. Or I
> > could just retell the tale Bill Buford told in "Among the Thugs" of
> > asking a ManU supporter, in Turin for a Juventus-ManU match, where he
> > was and being told "Joooooo-ventuuusssss!"
> >
>
> ......and then there was news reader Martin Lewis giving us the UEFA Cup
> result from (phonetically) "Tanadeechee where Dundee United were playing
> today"
Damn, I still remember that to this day it was the Barcelona match,
typically English cunt, the fuckers still can't pronounce Greenock (someone
educate them, *please*) and poor Ian Durrant used to sound like a currant
all the time.
The BBC spend a fortune on ensuring their presenters/newsreaders can
pronounce all sorts of continental shite yet they can't take the time to
ensure they get Scots names and places correct. Bastards.
Martin I Lewison
Jason Cormier <ja...@RemoveThis.ztv.ne.jp> wrote:
>
>Baseball *isn't* played in any serious matter in...
>
>Japan (most popular sport by a mile),
>
>Cuba (ditto),
>
>South Korea (neck-and-neck with football) and
>
>Taiwan (most popular sport and second-best pro league in Asia)?
>
>Just asking.
>
>
>I agree; it's the bozos who want to dismiss (N) American sports outright
>that need to learn how to live and let live.
Baseball is also very popular in Mexico (a rival to soccer), Puerto Rico,
and Dominican Republic.
-Martin
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Jonathan Tranter
Allan <usenet-...@ics-uk.demon.co.uk> writes
>Jonathan Tranter <jona...@wolves4westbrom2.no-spamdemon.co.uk> wrote
<snip...>
>>...I've just seen The Simpsons episode "The Cartridge
>>Family" (I got it on tape from the United States, Sky have said they
>>won't show this episode at any timeslot, probably due to it's
>>trivialisation of guns). This episode pivots around a football riot,
>>started by Groundskeeper Willie and his three Scottish mates!
>
>Hmm, it sounds like this may be the reason for Sky banning the episode
>rather than any portrayal of guns. I still don't agree with censoring it
>but this makes it a little clearer why Sky picked up on this episode, it
>ain't the guns.
There are lots of scenes that Sky would have cut in The Cartridge
Family, especially if you take into account what they've hacked out of
other episodes (I forget the web page URL now, anybody whose interested
search for "The Snipsons" on AltaVista), I guess in the end they
realised that they couldn't cut the episode and leave -any- of it's
integrity intact.
The riot scene -may- have been cut especially after France '98, or at
least snipped a bit, but many other scenes -definitely- would have been
(when Homer points a gun at Lisa's head, when Bart goes around the house
with a gun, etc., etc., not to mention how gun's use is trivialised in
general, but in most cases it's played off against how nuts Homer is,
obviously Sky think we're not clever enough to appreciate this).
Basically Sky have been holding out on whether to show the episode for
around a year now, perhaps France '98 and the riot-scene guaranteed it's
banning but I doubt it.
Anyhows this is a well discussed topic for a different place, but to sum
up, as long as The Simpsons is treated as a kid's only show in the UK
(unlike South Park and the terribly moralistic, but kind of good, King
of the Hill) or Sky won't allow an extra late night slot (as BBC Two
have just done, but we've yet to see them broadcast any previously cut
episodes on this slot) they're never going to broadcast a lot of the
episodes intact, or in this case broadcast at all.
(By the way, the send up of Major League Soccer and Pele were pretty
funny!)
This is hopelessly off-topic, ermmm..., ummmm... Oh bugger it, I can't
get it back on track!
Sammy Lives
<snip>
>Damn, I still remember that to this day it was the Barcelona match,
>typically English cunt, the fuckers still can't pronounce Greenock (someone
>educate them, *please*) and poor Ian Durrant used to sound like a currant
>all the time.
>
>The BBC spend a fortune on ensuring their presenters/newsreaders can
>pronounce all sorts of continental shite yet they can't take the time to
>ensure they get Scots names and places correct. Bastards.
They always have a problem with Kirkaldy too. I do too. However,
mine's isn't the pronunciation, just the fact that there exists such a
shithole.
Alasdair Allan
> "Alasdair Allan" <usenet-...@ics-uk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >The BBC spend a fortune on ensuring their presenters/newsreaders can
> >pronounce all sorts of continental shite yet they can't take the time to
> >ensure they get Scots names and places correct. Bastards.
>
> They always have a problem with Kirkaldy too. I do too. However,
> mine's isn't the pronunciation, just the fact that there exists such a
> shithole.
Yeah and along with that vile place, whatsitsname, to the immediate west of
Cowdenbeath, Fife has two of the worst dives in christendom.
m...@walker.com
>> > Guess this goes to show that Americans, together with lots of the world,
> > don't really understand the difference between Scotland and England, and
> > the England team's supporters' actions (like in France this year) does
> > the reputation of the whole Kingdom no good, no matter how much Scotland
> > supporters rightly distance themselves from it.
>
alone the great times of Wembley 1977(?). Oh they were just being jocular
Scots, having a good old sing song. MarkD
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Sammy Lives
>Sammy Lives <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote
>> "Alasdair Allan" <usenet-...@ics-uk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> >The BBC spend a fortune on ensuring their presenters/newsreaders can
>> >pronounce all sorts of continental shite yet they can't take the time to
>> >ensure they get Scots names and places correct. Bastards.
>> They always have a problem with Kirkaldy too. I do too. However,
>> mine's isn't the pronunciation, just the fact that there exists such a
>> shithole.
>Yeah and along with that vile place, whatsitsname, to the immediate west of
>Cowdenbeath, Fife has two of the worst dives in christendom.
LOL. So speaks the man living in Glasgow...
Huw Morris
> >typically English cunt, the fuckers still can't pronounce Greenock (someone
> >educate them, *please*) and poor Ian Durrant used to sound like a currant
> >all the time.
> >
> >pronounce all sorts of continental shite yet they can't take the time to
> >ensure they get Scots names and places correct. Bastards.
>
> They always have a problem with Kirkaldy too. I do too. However,
> mine's isn't the pronunciation, just the fact that there exists such a
> shithole.
It's not a Scottish thing. They can't pronounce 'Hednesford' either.
(And unless *you* two know how to pronounce it, I wouldn't go on about
the BBC... ;-)
Huw
Sammy Lives
Ah, but we're not paid to pronounce it properly. I've got another one
that most Scots folk get wrong too - Culross.
Alasdair Allan
> "Alasdair Allan" <usenet-...@ics-uk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> >Sammy Lives <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote
> >> They always have a problem with Kirkaldy too. I do too. However,
> >> mine's isn't the pronunciation, just the fact that there exists such a
> >> shithole.
>
> >Yeah and along with that vile place, whatsitsname, to the immediate west
of
> >Cowdenbeath, Fife has two of the worst dives in christendom.
>
> LOL. So speaks the man living in Glasgow...
Yes it is the best little city in the world and still the greenest city
there is with mroe parkland than any other.
If you are bored of Glasgow you are bored of life
Belinda Ford
<h.mo...@rl.ac.uk.nospam> writes
>It's not a Scottish thing. They can't pronounce 'Hednesford' either.
>(And unless *you* two know how to pronounce it, I wouldn't go on about
>the BBC... ;-)
>
>Huw
off-topic...
Huw, what happened to the Custard Appreciation Society?
--
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Sammy Lives
>Sammy Lives <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote
>> "Alasdair Allan" <usenet-...@ics-uk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
<snip Kirkaldy>
> >Yeah and along with that vile place, whatsitsname, to the immediate west
>of
>> >Cowdenbeath, Fife has two of the worst dives in christendom.
>
>> LOL. So speaks the man living in Glasgow...
>
>Yes it is the best little city in the world and still the greenest city
>there is with mroe parkland than any other.
Its a pity its full of Glaswegians though...
>If you are bored of Glasgow you are bored of life
Hey, that should be their new slogan. A lot better than "Glasgow
Smiles Better" :/
Bounty_Killah
have Americans asking me stupid questions like..."Y'all get around on
dogsled up there?" or "Do y'all got a restaurant up there called
McDonalds?" makes me laugh everytime, although it is still a little
disturbing.
Nifkin
he who first said :
'if you're bored with London, you're bored with life'
or something along that line
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Sammy Lives <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote in article
<35cc47be...@news.dial.pipex.com>...
Alasdair Allan
> Huw Morris <h.mo...@rl.ac.uk.nospam> wrote:
> >It's not a Scottish thing. They can't pronounce 'Hednesford' either.
> >(And unless *you* two know how to pronounce it, I wouldn't go on about
> >the BBC... ;-)
>
> that most Scots folk get wrong too - Culross.
They are simply ignorant. They happily pronounce Greenwich correctly and
superimpose that on Greenock. Plus they can't even get Bearsden right so I
have little hope about Milngavie (pron. Mul-guy) or Kirkudbrightshire
(pron. Kir-coo-bri-sher).
I think it is due to their over-reliance on first syllable emphasis which
is alien to Scots language and dialect.
Alasdair Allan
> "Alasdair Allan" <x-st...@null.net> wrote:
>
> >Sammy Lives <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote
> >> "Alasdair Allan" <usenet-...@ics-uk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>
> <snip Kirkaldy>
>
> > >Yeah and along with that vile place, whatsitsname, to the immediate
west
> >of
> >> >Cowdenbeath, Fife has two of the worst dives in christendom.
> >
> >> LOL. So speaks the man living in Glasgow...
> >
> >Yes it is the best little city in the world and still the greenest city
> >there is with mroe parkland than any other.
>
> Its a pity its full of Glaswegians though...
>
> >If you are bored of Glasgow you are bored of life
>
> Hey, that should be their new slogan. A lot better than "Glasgow
> Smiles Better" :/
Its actually "Glasgow's Miles Better" but there is an intentional play on
words leading to the appropriate Glasgow Smiles Better. They actually did
away with the catchphrase about a decade ago entering the "there's a lot
Glasgowing on in 1990" et al phase but, thankfully, have now returned to Mr
Happy these days.
Alasdair Allan
> Glasgow can't use that can't use that slogan cos Vialli would sue as it
was
> he who first said :
>
> 'if you're bored with London, you're bored with life'
>
> or something along that line
The correct phrase refers to either Paris or Rome and is a lot older than
Vialli.
Nifkin
the cosmopolitan cities like London, Rome or Paris
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John Harrington
<sammy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>>typically English cunt, the fuckers still can't pronounce Greenock (someone
>>educate them, *please*)
OK, I'll bite. Please educate this typical English cunt how to
pronounce Greenock.
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Jonathan Tranter
<fiendi...@fiendishgames.demon.co.uk> writes
>In article <35ca29a...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Sammy Lives
><sammy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
>>"Alasdair Allan" <usenet-...@ics-uk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>Damn, I still remember that to this day it was the Barcelona match,
>>>typically English cunt, the fuckers still can't pronounce Greenock (someone
>>>educate them, *please*)
>
>OK, I'll bite. Please educate this typical English cunt how to
>pronounce Greenock.
I don't know if this is relevant to this example (I don't think it is)
but I guess a lot of mistakes happen because of pronunciation. My boss
who's from Aberdeen can't pronounce the name of Wolves' top ever goal
scorer properly, calling him "Boool-ey"... just like Alan Brazil does on
Sky's coverage. Andy Gray doesn't lower himself to cover Footy League
matches so I can't remember if he manages it very well! :)
Dan
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"You can't make a race horse of a pig."
"No," said Samuel, "but you can make a very fast pig."
John Steinbeck
_East of Eden_
Paul Crankshaw
> In article <35ca29a...@news.dial.pipex.com>, Sammy Lives
> <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> writes
> >"Alasdair Allan" <usenet-...@ics-uk.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> >
> ><snip>
> >
> >>Damn, I still remember that to this day it was the Barcelona match,
> >>typically English cunt, the fuckers still can't pronounce Greenock (someone
> >>educate them, *please*)
>
> OK, I'll bite. Please educate this typical English cunt how to
> pronounce Greenock.
It is pronounced as it is spelt - unlike Greenwich.
Paul
Paul Crankshaw
> Bounty_Killah wrote in message ...
> >I live in Canada and even today in 1998 everytime I go to the U.S., I still
> >have Americans asking me stupid questions like..."Y'all get around on
> >dogsled up there?" or "Do y'all got a restaurant up there called
> >McDonalds?" makes me laugh everytime, although it is still a little
> >disturbing.
> >
> I'm english and i got 'Is London Foggy?' and 'Do y'all eat tea and crumpets'
Today I came across this question (from an American - USA that is) in
another newsgroup to which I subscribe:
Subject: Edinburough? Does it exist?
While watching a golf match from Scotland the announcers mentioned
something about Edinborough (sp?) Scotland. Since this was the third
time in a week I had heard this place mentioned I looked on my Atlas of
Scotland to see where it is located. There was no place listed by that
name or anything close to it. Is there a place pronounced Edinburro
(phonetic spelling) in Scotland?
--
Paul
Cup results and tables to 9th level of English pyramid:
http://easyweb.easynet.co.uk/~paulc
Paul Crankshaw
> In article <6qo1s3$13o$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>,
> Dan <daniel...@usa.net> wrote:
> >
> >Bounty_Killah wrote in message ...
> >>I live in Canada and even today in 1998 everytime I go to the U.S., I still
> >>have Americans asking me stupid questions like..."Y'all get around on
> >>dogsled up there?" or "Do y'all got a restaurant up there called
> >>McDonalds?" makes me laugh everytime, although it is still a little
> >>disturbing.
> >>
> >I'm english and i got 'Is London Foggy?' and 'Do y'all eat tea and crumpets'
>
> It works both ways, you know. For example, I'm Texan, and I can tell you
> that 90% of what you think you know about Texas is probably wrong.
I thought all Texans were intelligent, but maybe only 10% of them are.
Paul
billy
> It works both ways, you know. For example, I'm Texan, and I can tell you
> that 90% of what you think you know about Texas is probably wrong.
>
It's big, it's got Dallas in it, it's hot. That's about as much as I
know, and I'm happy to be corrected :-)
Sammy Lives
<snip>
>Today I came across this question (from an American - USA that is) in
>another newsgroup to which I subscribe:
>
>Subject: Edinburough? Does it exist?
>
>While watching a golf match from Scotland the announcers mentioned
>something about Edinborough (sp?) Scotland. Since this was the third
>time in a week I had heard this place mentioned I looked on my Atlas of
>Scotland to see where it is located. There was no place listed by that
>name or anything close to it. Is there a place pronounced Edinburro
>(phonetic spelling) in Scotland?
What group is that in ? The thread looks far too funny to miss.
Dan
>>>
>>I'm english and i got 'Is London Foggy?' and 'Do y'all eat tea and
crumpets'
>
>that 90% of what you think you know about Texas is probably wrong.
drill sergeant, full metal jacket 'Only thing in Texas are steers and
queers'
Is this true? Enlighten me!
James
>In article <6qo1s3$13o$1...@taliesin.netcom.net.uk>,
>Dan <daniel...@usa.net> wrote:
>>
>>I'm english and i got 'Is London Foggy?' and 'Do y'all eat tea and crumpets'
>
>It works both ways, you know. For example, I'm Texan, and I can tell you
>that 90% of what you think you know about Texas is probably wrong.
>
What? 'Dallas' lied?
--
James <speci...@hotmail.com>
"You've only come to see United."
Dustin Christmann
>Dustin Christmann wrote:
>
>> It works both ways, you know. For example, I'm Texan, and I can tell you
>> that 90% of what you think you know about Texas is probably wrong.
>>
>
Check.
>it's got Dallas in it,
Check.
>it's hot.
Check. (At least you're right right now.)
>That's about as much as I know, and I'm happy to be corrected :-)
Of course, it brings up a philosophical question: Is it better to know very
little and be very close to being 100% correct about what you do know, or is
it better to know a great deal, and only be about 50% correct about what you
know?
Contemplate that after you finish contemplating the sound of one hand clapping.
Eric Bekins
Dustin Christmann wrote in message <6qoj8v$2...@crchh14.us.nortel.com>...
>>>I live in Canada and even today in 1998 everytime I go to the U.S., I
still
>>>have Americans asking me stupid questions like..."Y'all get around on
>>>dogsled up there?" or "Do y'all got a restaurant up there called
>>>McDonalds?" makes me laugh everytime, although it is still a little
>>>disturbing.
>>>
crumpets'
>
>that 90% of what you think you know about Texas is probably wrong.
>
I watch "King of the Hill" so I know all about Texas.
-Eric Bekins-
Dustin Christmann
Paul Crankshaw
> pa...@easynet.co.uk (Paul Crankshaw) wrote:
> <snip>
>
> >Today I came across this question (from an American - USA that is) in
> >another newsgroup to which I subscribe:
> >
> >Subject: Edinburough? Does it exist?
> >
> >While watching a golf match from Scotland the announcers mentioned
> >something about Edinborough (sp?) Scotland. Since this was the third
> >time in a week I had heard this place mentioned I looked on my Atlas of
> >Scotland to see where it is located. There was no place listed by that
> >name or anything close to it. Is there a place pronounced Edinburro
> >(phonetic spelling) in Scotland?
>
> What group is that in ? The thread looks far too funny to miss.
soc.genealogy.britain
Paul
Paul Crankshaw
Just to amuse you a little more, someone emailed me this, having viewed
the thread:
We travelled round the States some years ago and took a detour to visit
Edinburg - Ohio, and an Edinboro in Texas - perhaps my memory of the
spellings and locations may be wrong.
But what amused us was the fact that the inhabitants of both little
towns
were delighted that someone had named a place in Scotland after their
towns.
Paul
Ben
>
> P.M.Sriram <sri...@scsn.net> wrote:
>
> > The truth is Americans do not really care about the World let alone the WC.
> > Their world revolves around their family, High School, College(rednecks
> > exempted!!) and maybe a Major Sports team. To most events there is a stoic
> > indifference. They only get concerned when it affects them directly or their
> > godaamned media pours out news briefs by the dozen in the very important Prime
>
> "Get 'chore gross generalisations here! Nice and fresh! Luvverly gross
> generalisations and unsubstantiated stereotypes!" etc....
>
> --
> Alex Kamilewicz (40% of thesis complete...stalled)
> Remove the *ZONK* to reply
Get on with your work and stop sticking up for the bastard Americans. I
just conducted a poll that showed americans are clueless.
Ben
holligan that, so I kick their fucking heads in. Bastards.
Jeffrey Torp
>> >>>Bounty_Killah wrote in message ...
>> >>>>I live in Canada and even today in 1998 everytime I go to the U.S., I
>> >still
>> >>>>have Americans asking me stupid questions like..."Y'all get around on
>> >>>>dogsled up there?" or "Do y'all got a restaurant up there called
>> >>>>McDonalds?" makes me laugh everytime, although it is still a little
>> >>>>disturbing.
<somebody else wrote>
>> >>>I'm english and i got 'Is London Foggy?' and 'Do y'all eat tea and
>> >crumpets'
>< yet somebody else (Dustin?) wrote>
> >>
>> >>It works both ways, you know. For example, I'm Texan, and I can tell you
>> >>that 90% of what you think you know about Texas is probably wrong.
This is hilarious - when I lived for four years in Germany I got the
same stupid questions/stereotypes from the Europeans that Americans
seem to be blamed for. For example, I was from California so I knew
movie stars, surfed all day, or had an earthquake at least once a day.
A buddy of mine from Texas had to put up with questions about 100 degree
days year round, whether or not he rode a horse to school/work, if all
his neighbors/family owned a cattle ranch, etc... Ignorance is not the
sole property of Americans. Neither, for that matter, is arrogance.
Jeff Torp
j...@expert.cc.purdue.edu
--
Christopher Wilmot
<pa...@easynet.co.uk> writes
>
>We travelled round the States some years ago and took a detour to visit
>Edinburg - Ohio, and an Edinboro in Texas - perhaps my memory of the
>spellings and locations may be wrong.
>
>But what amused us was the fact that the inhabitants of both little
>towns
>were delighted that someone had named a place in Scotland after their
>towns.
>
resort in east anglia called Venice Beach. Which is no comparrison to
it's more famous american couterpart.
I't all started in the colonial days. When "Britainia" did rule the
waves. Instead of rusting in some shipyard. When people decided to set
up a town. They named them after their birthplace. So nearly everywhere
that was once part of the empire has been named after a place in
britain. That's why Kingston my nearest shopping area is also the
capital of Jamaica.
--
Christopher Wilmot
Chris Applegate
<199808121...@paulc.easynet.co.uk>...
[snip]
> Just to amuse you a little more, someone emailed me this, having viewed
> the thread:
>
> Edinburg - Ohio, and an Edinboro in Texas - perhaps my memory of the
> spellings and locations may be wrong.
>
> But what amused us was the fact that the inhabitants of both little
> towns
> were delighted that someone had named a place in Scotland after their
> towns.
ROTFL! That's better than the first one.
--
Sex is entertainment. Football is love.
- Hugo Borst
Chris Applegate - Remove x from mail address when replying
The Brit Football FAQ: http://freespace.virgin.net/s.applegate/footfaq.htm
Sammy Lives
<snip>
>We travelled round the States some years ago and took a detour to visit
>Edinburg - Ohio, and an Edinboro in Texas - perhaps my memory of the
>spellings and locations may be wrong.
>But what amused us was the fact that the inhabitants of both little
>towns
>were delighted that someone had named a place in Scotland after their
>towns.
LOL.
I've already meantioned the "tourists" who marevelled at the idea of
someone building Edinburgh Castle right next to the railway station,
but I've also heard of some others from the states who were amazed to
learn that we've started celebrating Christmas over here.
Martin McGranaghan
Sammy Lives wrote in message <35d3fe17...@news.dial.pipex.com>...
>pa...@easynet.co.uk (Paul Crankshaw) wrote:
>
><snip>
>
>>We travelled round the States some years ago and took a detour to visit
>>Edinburg - Ohio, and an Edinboro in Texas - perhaps my memory of the
>>spellings and locations may be wrong.
>
>>But what amused us was the fact that the inhabitants of both little
>>towns
>>were delighted that someone had named a place in Scotland after their
>>towns.
>
>LOL.
>
>I've already meantioned the "tourists" who marevelled at the idea of
>someone building Edinburgh Castle right next to the railway station,
>but I've also heard of some others from the states who were amazed to
>learn that we've started celebrating Christmas over here.
On a slight tangent I know a bloke works as a tourist guide and has done so
for various organizations, some of his classics include
American tourist 'why is inverwhatever so called'
Guide 'ach away you go, it's no colder than anywhere else in Scotland'
American tourist 'gee if we had have been at Culloden you would have won'
Guide 'If you had have been at Culloden we would have lost more to your
bloody friendly fire than to the English'.
He was also asked on a tour of a distillery after carefully explaining the
process 'when do they put the alcohol in'
Martin McGranaghan
nen...@globalnet.co.uk
Colin Rosenthal
Sammy Lives <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>I've already meantioned the "tourists" who marevelled at the idea of
>someone building Edinburgh Castle right next to the railway station,
>but I've also heard of some others from the states who were amazed to
>learn that we've started celebrating Christmas over here.
What's so shocking about that? Christmas wasn't a holiday in Scotland
when I was a boy, and that's not so very long ago.
ObFootball: and we didn't have football matches on Sunday, either.
--
Colin Rosenthal
High Altitude Observatory
Boulder, Colorado
rose...@hao.ucar.edu
Chris Raistrick
wrote:
>
>Bounty_Killah wrote in message ...
>>I live in Canada and even today in 1998 everytime I go to the U.S., I still
>>have Americans asking me stupid questions like..."Y'all get around on
>>dogsled up there?" or "Do y'all got a restaurant up there called
>>McDonalds?" makes me laugh everytime, although it is still a little
>>disturbing.
>>
>I'm english and i got 'Is London Foggy?' and 'Do y'all eat tea and crumpets'
Or....
Do you know the Beatles/ Prince Charles/ Helen Green from Bridgenorth?
Is that beer warm enough?
--
Cheers,
Chris
Sammy Lives
<snip>
>On a slight tangent I know a bloke works as a tourist guide and has done so
>for various organizations, some of his classics include
>
>American tourist 'why is inverwhatever so called'
>Guide 'ach away you go, it's no colder than anywhere else in Scotland'
>American tourist 'gee if we had have been at Culloden you would have won'
>Guide 'If you had have been at Culloden we would have lost more to your
>bloody friendly fire than to the English'.
>He was also asked on a tour of a distillery after carefully explaining the
>process 'when do they put the alcohol in'
Ah, that reminds me of another one. An American tourist asked the
tourist office how he could best get to "Ten N-A".
It was a few minutes before the puzzled tourist guide managed to get
said American to point to IONA on the map of Scotland.
Sammy Lives
>On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:57:16 GMT,
>Sammy Lives <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>
>>I've already meantioned the "tourists" who marevelled at the idea of
>>someone building Edinburgh Castle right next to the railway station,
>>but I've also heard of some others from the states who were amazed to
>>learn that we've started celebrating Christmas over here.
>What's so shocking about that? Christmas wasn't a holiday in Scotland
>when I was a boy, and that's not so very long ago.
Was Christmas celebrated ?
>ObFootball: and we didn't have football matches on Sunday, either.
Ah, the good ol' days. Not as good as they used to be.
Colin Rosenthal
>rose...@asp.hao.ucar.edu (Colin Rosenthal) wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:57:16 GMT,
>>Sammy Lives <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>
>>>I've already meantioned the "tourists" who marevelled at the idea of
>>>someone building Edinburgh Castle right next to the railway station,
>>>but I've also heard of some others from the states who were amazed to
>>>learn that we've started celebrating Christmas over here.
>
>>What's so shocking about that? Christmas wasn't a holiday in Scotland
>>when I was a boy, and that's not so very long ago.
>
>Was Christmas celebrated ?
Not in my family :-)
>>ObFootball: and we didn't have football matches on Sunday, either.
>
>Ah, the good ol' days. Not as good as they used to be.
--
Stan Collins
Chris Raistrick wrote:
I have to return to Dustin's point. None of this is stuff I haven't heard the
equivalent of from Englishman about Texas.
"Hey, are you a cowboy?" "Do you know J.R. Ewing?" "Did you get rich from
oil?" "Do you wear big hats and belt buckles?" "Is *everything* bigger in
Texas, if you know what I mean? wink wink nudge nudge."
Stan collins
Dustin Christmann
But for a really fun time, you should have tagged along with me for two
years as I lived and went to school in Germany and revealed the following
things:
1) I've never owned a pair of boots.
2) I've never owned a stetson.
3) I don't know how to ride a horse.
4) J.R. Ewing doesn't exist.
5) It rains a lot in many parts of Texas.
The looks on people's faces were priceless.
Of course, I personally have found this whole thread somewhat amusing, since
it seems to be mostly inhabited by Scots and other residents of the British
Isles (Right now, I'm expecting a "Don't lump us in with those English
bastards!!!") who are amusing themselves at our expense while obviously
forgetting that ignorance is universal, that "Ugly Americans" come in
a wide variety of nationalites, and that there are just as many quaint "Look
at those wacky British people on vacation" stories.
Unfortunately, if we were to delve into the latter, it would degenerate
very quickly into the type of bigotry that seems to be reserved in r.s.s
for citizens of the United States.
Ben
>
> Ben <brad...@remove.wams001.warley.ford.com> wrote:
>
> > Get on with your work and stop sticking up for the bastard Americans. I
> > just conducted a poll that showed americans are clueless.
>
> _week_ old.
>
> --
> Alex Kamilewicz From cradles and sleepless nights
> You breathe in life forever
> And stare at the world from
> Deep under eiderdown - Ian Broudie
Very sorry, Alex. I honestly didn't know it was that old. I feel so
stupid now. My only consolation is in the happiness you are all feeling
for me.
Sammy Lives
>On Thu, 13 Aug 1998 21:43:58 GMT,
>Sammy Lives <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>rose...@asp.hao.ucar.edu (Colin Rosenthal) wrote:
>>
>>>On Wed, 12 Aug 1998 20:57:16 GMT,
>>>Sammy Lives <sammy...@dial.pipex.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>I've already meantioned the "tourists" who marevelled at the idea of
>>>>someone building Edinburgh Castle right next to the railway station,
>>>>but I've also heard of some others from the states who were amazed to
>>>>learn that we've started celebrating Christmas over here.
>>>What's so shocking about that? Christmas wasn't a holiday in Scotland
>>>when I was a boy, and that's not so very long ago.
>>Was Christmas celebrated ?
>Not in my family :-)
Was Christmas celebrated in Scotland then ?
Alasdair Allan
> rose...@asp.hao.ucar.edu (Colin Rosenthal) wrote:
> >Not in my family :-)
>
> Was Christmas celebrated in Scotland then ?
The Christmas festival has always been celebrated by Christains in Scotland.
However, until the 1960s Scotland remained unique within the United Kingdom
(and possibly Europe) by having two days public holiday are New Year and no
public holiday at Christmas.
Since then, expansion of statuatory public holidays has allowed Scotland to
add Christmas day and Boxing day while maintaining New Years day and January
2nd as public holidays.
However, some companies, because of their UK or Europe wide operating
profile follow the English and Welsh public holiday timetable or offering
the Scots as optionals or incorporating public holidays as part of the paid
leave entitlement.
This year my firm finally abolished the Glasgow Fair bank holiday adding the
English one at the start of May (Scottish May Day is traditionally the
*last* day in May). We also made January 2nd an optional along with Easter
Friday so you take one or the other but not both.
While this can be confusing, thankfully we aren't in America, where instead
of the normal 25 days leave you get 15 (if your lucky) and instead of 8
Statuatory Holidays there are about 4.
This is all IIRC, corrections welcome.
--
Cheers,
Alasdair Allan
Rangers Webzine - http://www.x-static.demon.co.uk/rangers
England :- Country in which Marx developed the basis of Communism
Scotland :- Country in which Smith developed the basis of Capitalism