Litmanen to Anfield
Grandpa
Anfield next season. Last weekend Litmanen admitted that Liverpool (not
Real Betis) is his N:O 1 aim. So Pool will get real passing-machine and
Owen better chances to score.
Jostein Holme
the season is ower.....
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Osmo Tapio E Raihala
press he surely has said he is a boyhood Red and then the media count
1+1 and get a move to Liverpool.
I rather think he'll rejoin Van Gaal at Barcelona instead of Liverpool
and this purely by footballing reasons. He's too sound to let his heart
rule his head.
Osmo
Edward van Bilderbeek
Litmanen always said that, beside Ajax, Liverpool is his dream. Litmanen is
a player that does not choose for the money, but follow his heart indeed, so
he would choose Liverpool (if he leaves Ajax, which is for sure I think
because the last two years he did not even want to negociate with Ajax about
lengthening his contract!). So too bad for Ajax, but we (the fans) are very
gracefull for all the beauty his showed us and wish him good luck!
BTW. I also think that Litmanen wants to leave the past the past and not,
like Van Gaal seems to do at Barca, reunite the 1995 team of Ajax at
Barcelona.
Edward
Axa
PJS
<josh...@NOSPAM.online.no> wrote:
> You need Litmannen, Fowler and McMannemann will go free to other clubs when
> the season is ower.....
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Litmanen wouldn't keep either of them out of the team; he'd be a good choice to
be the 'attack maker' like Cantona at Man Utd, playing just behind Fowler or
Owen who'd be the goalscorer. Riedle isn't getting any younger and probably
wouldn't figure much after this season.
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: Litmanen always said that, beside Ajax, Liverpool is his dream. Litmanen is
: a player that does not choose for the money, but follow his heart indeed, so
: he would choose Liverpool (if he leaves Ajax, which is for sure I think
: because the last two years he did not even want to negociate with Ajax about
: lengthening his contract!). So too bad for Ajax, but we (the fans) are very
: gracefull for all the beauty his showed us and wish him good luck!
Personally I fear the idea, because if Litmanen moved to Anfield, that lot
could actually win something.
Having said that, none of the comments I've seen from Litmanen indicate he
wants to move to A, and he hasn't made a big number of this dark side of
his, either.
But who can blame Litmanen for wanting to leave Ajax? The club has shown
very little ambitions over the past few years, selling/letting go all the
best players. They could have dominated the European scene for a decade,
instead they opted not to offer good enough salaries for the best
players. I can't believe they couldn't afford them with all the prize
money, large fan base and possibility to milk the sponsors as the best
team in Europe. Instead they sold the best players and have purchased
players of lesser quality.
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Although you're right in some ways, a significant number of players left
Ajax, despite a significant raise in salary. The likes of Davids, Seedorf,
and Kluivert used the salary-argument, but have all stated later that they
were up to a new adventure, and that they had won everything with Ajax
already. Actually, this is also one of the arguments the De Boer brothers
have used to force their leave from Ajax. Now, they might stay if Ajax would
be able to generate as much money as Barcelona does. Ajax has a total budget
per year of about $40 million. I think that of Barcelona, Real Madrid,
Juventus, and AC Milan superseeds that with at least another $40 million.
Now, you can buy and pay at lot of good players with $40 million (errr.....it
won't suffice to buy Ronaldo, though). Problem is: there isn't much money in
the Netherlands for football, compared to many other countries. This has to
do with country size, and the fact that Dutch companies seem to be hesitant
to give sponsoring money. Final problem: high taxes compared to Italy and
Spain also reduces the actual salary a player gets, which means that Ajax has
to pay much more money to give the player the same salary as they would have
in Italy.
Let's hope Litmanen stays a bit longer at Ajax. Otherwise he would be yet
another Ajax player that is bought (not sold!) by another European topteam.
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Joel Lillbroända
choice to
>be the 'attack maker' like Cantona at Man Utd, playing just behind Fowler
or
>Owen who'd be the goalscorer. Riedle isn't getting any younger and probably
>wouldn't figure much after this season.
I cant agree with you there because i´m certain Litmanen is a lot better
than macca, Litmanen is better at most things e.g. Heading, Shooting,
Passing, Free Kicks and workrate. The only thing i can see macca beating
Litmo at is dribbling.
With Litmo to the championship !!
sjakie
As an Ajax fan and Jari being my favourite player I dont want to see
him leave. However, if he does leave it is because he wants a new
challenge in his life. A year ago he said he had not made up his mind
whether to stay at Ajax till the end of his career or move on. He has
expressed his interest in Liverpool, but he is alot wiser than to jump
at chances. He hasnt spoken to Ajax yet or Barcelona and Louis so Im not
sure of his future either way. What worries me is that a player of his
qualities, not footballing qualities but personal qualities, will be
given a shock when he moves. No idolising from the fans, no guaranteed
starting place and no Litmaaanen whoooooh! Already he has been dubbed
Litmo?? He is Litti and will most importantly always remain an 'echte
ajacied'( a real ajax-er). He must impress soon in England/Spain where
as in Holland every knows his face. And for his home? How can you trade
the beautiful streets of Amsterdam for the ilk of Liverpool? I didnt
think that I would ever have to disagree with Jari's judgement but I
think it is a big mistake to move to Liverpool. The 'player who has
remained himself' will be very shocked after all these years. I hope he
does well, I really do, but I think he is leading too much with his
heart and not enough with his head.
Someone mentioned Ajax's ambition. Europe every year,domestic titles
reguarly, 94/95 - Euro Cup Winners 95/96 - Euro Cup Final 96/97 -
Semi-Final Euro Cup 97/98 Semi-Final Uefa Cup 98/99 Euro Cup............
Alot better than Liverpool's bodged efforts at the UEFA cup. On wages,
how can a real football club like Ajax( and the rest of Europe) compete
with the companys in England who masquerade as football clubs? No matter
who has better players, with the wealthiest clubs I cant understand the
direction in which the Premier League is going. I feel sorry for their
fans.
sjakie....Groet Ajax en Super Jari
Dimple
d.massimo.ambrosini> writes
I have recently been to Amsterdam but did not get to see the streets
due to various distractions.
I am an Evertonian so I do actually live in the city, so if you do visit
(on Sleazyjet perhaps) I think you will be surprised.
As far as football is concerned, Liverpool's record in europe is better
than Ajax' But my main point is as follows:-
Although money is important, Liverpool is not a company, it is owned
by a family who made thier fortune through football so that is obviously
thier main priority.
Most important, English Clubs try to emmulate the achievements of Ajax
through thier unparralled development system. So the likelyhood of
"Litti's" departure is more down to the fact that he is being pushed
out to accomodate another prodige rather than personal prefofance.
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<snip>
:... as in Holland every knows his face. And for his home? How can you trade
: the beautiful streets of Amsterdam for the ilk of Liverpool? <snip>
[Nothing to do with Litmanen but..]
...Err have you ever actually been to Liverpool...?
For your information..Liverpool has one of the most picturesque and most
recognisable waterfronts in the world. Liverpool has one of the most
popular tourist attractions in Britain in the Albert Dock Complex(I think
only the Blackpool illuminations gets higher numbers).
Liverpool was one of the three shortlisted cities for Architectural City of the
year. Liverpool has spectacular Georgian terraces (in fact more than Bath
which is famous for them). Liverpool has some of the best night clubs on England.
Liverpool has too many famous 'sons & daughters' to even begin to list.
Liverpool has Championship golf courses on it's doorstep.
Jung described liverpool as 'The Pool of Live'.
Liverpool is within easy reach of the mountains of Snowdon and the Pennines
and the wonderful scenary of the Lake District....
[How far is it to a mountain from Amsterdam?]
..What we do have in common with Amsterdam is that one of the greatest
football teams in the World plays in the city..
EVERTON.
So Litmanen to Liverpool...nahh...
..wouldn't mind seeing him in a blue shirt tho'....we could swap him
for Nicky Barmby.
TaTa
San
PJS
Lillbroända" <xft...@tninet.se> wrote:
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While I agree with most of this, the question doesn't arise because they don't
both play in the same position.
Joel Lillbroända
doesnt have two "wingers" now and I think that would be a good solution and
Ince isnt getting any younger either.
sjakie
Liverpool's record better than Ajax's? I dont think so. Litmanen is
the key play maker at Ajax, even if there was a good player coming
through, he wouldnt replace Jari. Liverpool has 'good' parts but not in
the league as Amsterdam, the philosophy surrounding the whole city is
very different.
sjakie
NateDogg
Liverpool has ever got there money grubbin hands on!
Not one player in Liverpool can even match his skills!
And for you opinion on Liverpool and Ajax "HA" Ajax is well known far better
then Liverpool! FAR FAR FAR better!
And the city of Liverpool doesn't even come close to Amsterdam!
You were talking about architecture, HA Liverpool is clay compared to the
world renowned architecture of Amsterdam!
Have you ever seen a sky picture if Amsterdam? I didn't think so the canals
are in a perfect diamond shape around the city!
And I have been to Liverpool and also have lived in Amsterdam for eight
years and the night life in Amsterdam is off the chart better then that in
Liverpool!
When I was in Liverpool it sucked big time, it was like when I went on
vacation to Belgium(boring)!
Do you know how many Celebes have been to Amsterdam for tours and just
vacation ?
I bet far more then Liverpool!
Liverpool scores overall a 0.5
Amsterdam scores overall a +10
PJS
<d...@home.net> wrote:
> Are you all freaking outta your mind Litmanen is a bigger star talent then
> Liverpool has ever got there money grubbin hands on!
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Whoa! Todally non-heinous, dude - like chill out, you sound pretty raked,
y'know.
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> Not one player in Liverpool can even match his skills!
> And for you opinion on Liverpool and Ajax "HA" Ajax is well known far better
> then Liverpool! FAR FAR FAR better!
> And the city of Liverpool doesn't even come close to Amsterdam!
> You were talking about architecture, HA Liverpool is clay compared to the
> world renowned architecture of Amsterdam!
> Have you ever seen a sky picture if Amsterdam? I didn't think so the canals
> are in a perfect diamond shape around the city!
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Which I'm sure will be foremost in Litmanen's mind when considering whether or
not to sign a new contract.
Barry Smith
NateDogg wrote in message <3628c...@208.192.224.3>...
>Are you all freaking outta your mind Litmanen is a bigger star talent then
>Liverpool has ever got there money grubbin hands on!
>And for you opinion on Liverpool and Ajax "HA" Ajax is well known far
better
*yawns* is that the time ?
Declan McGuinness
NateDogg wrote in message <3628c...@208.192.224.3>...
>Are you all freaking outta your mind Litmanen is a bigger star talent then
>Liverpool has ever got there money grubbin hands on!
>Not one player in Liverpool can even match his skills!
>And for you opinion on Liverpool and Ajax "HA" Ajax is well known far
better
>then Liverpool! FAR FAR FAR better!
>And the city of Liverpool doesn't even come close to Amsterdam!
>You were talking about architecture, HA Liverpool is clay compared to the
>world renowned architecture of Amsterdam!
>Have you ever seen a sky picture if Amsterdam? I didn't think so the
canals
>are in a perfect diamond shape around the city!
Benny
> From : sjakie <jari.l...@nd.massimo.ambrosini> [posted via] UK
Online Ltd
>Hi,
> Liverpool's record better than Ajax's? I dont think so. Litmanen is
4 European Cups each makes them the same in my book.
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mayday
>"Litti's" departure is more down to the fact that he is being pushed
>out to accomodate another prodige rather than personal prefofance.
I guess you mean "preference"? Still: Litmanen being pushed out is
ridiculous. No way.
Some people here seem to think that Ajax just wants to raise talents
to sell them, but that is not true. They just leave because they're
looking for adventure, easier tax climates and to be considered the
best player. Because, as one of the De Boers said, they could be the
best player ever in the Dutch league and excel every week, they still
wouldn't get any vote in a European player of the year competition.
Until they go to the Serie A or Premiership.
The day that Litmanen leaves will come some day, but it will be an
emotional farewell from the supporters. A farewell like that of
Pettersson or Rijkaard.
John
sjakie
Thankyou! to NateDogg too. At least somepeople have got there facts
straight
sjakie
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point(loser)!
But as far as I read nobody had any hard points against the
Amsterdam-Liverpool discussion. Well I guess that proves that I was right
and that the Dutch kick ass and the English just plain lick ass! Oh and who
got farther in the World Cup? Let me see thats an easy one........WE DID!
And don't even try to reply like my friend Jonathan from England always does
with that David Beckham red card crap 'cuz thats just a bunch of BS with or
without him Argentina still would have beat England!
have a nice day all,
me :o)
Paul Louis
Yep, that's just what Liverpool need, another striker.
(Note for Liverpool fans, that was sarcastic).
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Benny <Be...@benman.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > Subject : Litmanen to Anfield
> > From : sjakie <jari.l...@nd.massimo.ambrosini> [posted via] UK
> Online Ltd
>
> >Hi,
> > Liverpool's record better than Ajax's? I dont think so. Litmanen is
>
> 4 European Cups each makes them the same in my book.
And what 4 Cups would that be? Ajax has won 4 Europa cups for League Winners,
IIRC two European Cups for Cup winners, and 1 UEFA Cup. Now, which 4 did
Liverpool win? There are also ranking systems based on these cups, and IIRC
Real Madrid is first, follwed by AC Milan, Juventus, and Ajax. Liverpool was
close, but below Ajax.
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Benny, Middlesbrough, England. http://www.benman.demon.co.uk/index.htm
>
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sjakie
>
> In article <n4ayChAr...@benman.demon.co.uk>,
> Benny <Be...@benman.demon.co.uk> wrote:
> > > Subject : Litmanen to Anfield
> > > From : sjakie <jari.l...@nd.massimo.ambrosini> [posted via] UK
> > Online Ltd
> >
> > >Hi,
> > > Liverpool's record better than Ajax's? I dont think so. Litmanen is
> >
> > 4 European Cups each makes them the same in my book.
>
> And what 4 Cups would that be? Ajax has won 4 Europa cups for League Winners,
> IIRC two European Cups for Cup winners, and 1 UEFA Cup. Now, which 4 did
> Liverpool win? There are also ranking systems based on these cups, and IIRC
> Real Madrid is first, follwed by AC Milan, Juventus, and Ajax. Liverpool was
> close, but below Ajax.
>
AJAX AMSTERDAM OLE OLE !
sjakie
Nick Parsons
>
> You all had some cute remarks like the one about dope, yea good
> point(loser)!
> But as far as I read nobody had any hard points against the
> Amsterdam-Liverpool discussion.
Snip WC troll
Probably because this is a football group and not one to discuss the
merits of either city's architecture. I dare say they both have their
own plus points, but as I've never been to either I can't comment.
> have a nice day all,
>
I'll certainly try.
Nick.
Chris Raistrick
<70fqjp$fgf$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>:
>In article <n4ayChAr...@benman.demon.co.uk>,
> Benny <Be...@benman.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>> > Subject : Litmanen to Anfield
>> > From : sjakie <jari.l...@nd.massimo.ambrosini> [posted via] UK
>> Online Ltd
>>
>> >Hi,
>> > Liverpool's record better than Ajax's? I dont think so. Litmanen is
>>
>> 4 European Cups each makes them the same in my book.
>
>And what 4 Cups would that be? Ajax has won 4 Europa cups for League Winners,
>IIRC two European Cups for Cup winners, and 1 UEFA Cup. Now, which 4 did
>Liverpool win?
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Guy Roux is better than Houiller. With nothing Guy Roux gives you gold.
But he is not cheap.
Houiller is a bitch, he was training manager for a gay club: Paris Saint
Germain.
Marie
Liverpool Manager!?
No team in France would be interested in Houiller as a manager.
I think that since Wenger was a real success with Arsenal (he has always
been brillant and clever), some Liverpool director have thought that "French
are good as managers" and have chosen Houiller. Pfff!
Here is a list of good french managers who may success in England:
- Fernandez (Atl. Bilbao)
- Courbis (Oly. Marseille)
- Hum... that's it
Another thing: Liverpool team is not that great this year, and far behind MU
and Arsenal. They have excellent forwards but a below average midfield,
don't you think?
Regards
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Midfield and basically are not a great all around team, but then again I am A
Real Madrid fan anyway
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Marie wrote in message <364c5...@news.total.net>...
I have no idea where all the Liverpool management brains have gone too.
This Frenchman will only lead Liverpool to another poor finish. Lets face
it, this team is done for. They wated a truck load of money on Nigel Clough
and Stan Collymore and got nothing in return. Recents buys have proven to
be better except for Sean Dundee who they need to sell. The loser is
getting a free paycheck every week.
They should have thrown out Evans a long time ago. 30 years with Liverpool
but believe me he has never made a winning call. All those time, it was
Kign Kenny, Fagan that made the call. When it was time for Evans to make
the call, he flopped. And sell McManeman (or whatever his name is). Lets
get some money from this sale before he gets of on a free transfer. He
isn't really commited to Liverpool and after this season I doubt he will
want to play for a middle ranked team.
Stig (UK)
some defenders soon.
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>Liverpool are the best team in the world with Gerald Houllouier as the manager.
Oh yes of course, several hours have made us a force again.
® D u n c a n
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<sde...@iname.com> writes
>We'll have to wait and see, things could backfire if he doesn't buy
>some defenders soon.
>
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>>Liverpool are the best team in the world with Gerald Houllouier as the manager.
>
Dimple.
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<beloved74****@hotmail.com> wrote:
>Another thing: Liverpool team is not that great this year, and far behind MU
>and Arsenal. They have excellent forwards but a below average midfield,
>don't you think?
>
Yeah, it's worrying. For some reason the midfield has gone to the
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Ho L.Y. wrote in message <365023d3...@news.pacific.net.sg>...
>On Fri, 13 Nov 1998 10:35:47 -0500, "Marie"
><beloved74****@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>>Another thing: Liverpool team is not that great this year, and far behind
MU
>>and Arsenal. They have excellent forwards but a below average midfield,
>>don't you think?
>>
>Yeah, it's worrying. For some reason the midfield has gone to the
>dogs.
>
anywhere so teams can just pump balls into the box, James/Freidel will
fumble a few and bob's your auntie.
Did this not cross Evans/Houlliers minds at all ?
Chris Raistrick
<364c5...@news.total.net>:
>Here is a list of good french managers who may success in England:
>- Fernandez (Atl. Bilbao)
It's "Athletic" for crying out loud!
Still, he is a good manager, despite Athletic's bad start.
Liverpool can't have him, no.
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